Kristoff St. John - DEAD

I wonder if he killed himself on the anniversary of his son's suicide? Very sad.

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I wonder if it was clinical depression. He wasn't aging particularly well...which is a comment about perhaps there was some stuff going on internally, rather than physically. A person's appearance is affected by his mental state, sometimes. In other words, "It shows on your face." In recent pics, his "facial symmetry" seemed off. I know, I sound like a nutjob, myself! LOL . Very very sad to hear this. He was prolific in the daytime TV industry, a familar handsome face for decades. RIP.

I wonder if he killed himself? Very sad. RIP.

Well, he ain't no saint after all.

I'm in such shock over this. Perhaps I was just confusing him with his character, but he always seemed so strong. I knew he'd had emotional problems lately, but I never thought this would happen in a million years. RIP to a truly groundbreaking actor.

What is THAT supposed to mean, R5? Can't you let the body get cold before you start trashing him?

Horrible news

Rest in peace Mr. St John, I hope your at peace now with your son.

RIP

R3, it was his nose. It was starting to look Artie Lange-ish. St. John had a history of drug use. Perhaps combined with his depression, it led to this......

I mix him up with Shemar Moore.

I am getting a suicidal vibe from this. I wasn't aware that Kristoff, like his Y&R character Neil Winters, suffered from alcoholism. I agree with R3 that he has seemed withdrawn and depressed on-screen for awhile now.

He went off the rails when his son killed himself....so sad.

Well, he wasn’t going to be cut from the cast in the latest round of budget cuts, so he probably just saved someone else’s job. His last heroic effort.

Have Shemar or Vicky Rowell commented yet? What about Susan Dey?

r12 = V. Rowell.

Kristoff recently retweeted this

@xociaobellaa Grieving the loss of a child is a process. It begins on the day your child passes, and ends the day the parent joins them.

His son killed himself in 2014 while being treated at a mental health facility; he and his ex-wife sued for negligence and got a settlement but not without a lot of drama and heartache. Hope they are both at peace.

R3, it does indeed show in the face.

I asked an actor pal to send me his most recent head shots last summer and when I got them I thought geez, either bad lighting or maybe he's older? I will always regret not reading more into them at the time.

He killed himself last year.

HEY, don't forget I've been assaulted for being gay and African-American. Focus on me.

The Los Angeles Police Department confirmed to PEOPLE that a death investigation took place at around 2:05 pm on Sunday for a possible alcohol overdose at the 2300 block of Morea Way. PEOPLE has reached out to the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner for more information.

Vivica A. Fox was on Generations with Kristoff tweeted about him and retweeted fan tweets' about him.

Vivica and Kristoff during their Generations days.

So, he drank himself to death?

Well, I'll be damned!

Well that will help the Y&R budget.

I remember reading this interview he gave years ago. He talked about how his mother was estranged from her conservative Polish American family because she married Kristoff’s father. Some family members even snubbed her on the street when they saw her with her kids. Only when he became a successful actor did they warm up to him. Fuck them.

Poor guy went through hell. I saw him a couple years ago at The Grove and he was quite handsome in person. RIP.

Was his mother white?

SHAME on everyone of his co-stars tweeting about him! You KNEW that he was in pain. You knew it. This news is not surprising but his so called friends should have been there for him. All of you lnew this was coming but did nothing. Yes, I’m looking at you Chrissy LeBlanc who is more concerned about selfies.

That's really sad. He was a good actor and a great guy from all accounts. Loved Neil and Drew together.

How do you know what his co-stars did or did not do?

Err...Neil and Dru that is.

Did Sharon Case try and bring him to the $cientology Celebrity Center for an auditing sesh?

R31, if someone is hell-bent on killing themself, there’s nothing anyone on the planet can do to ultimately stop them. It’s a sad but true fact.

I loved him . I'm sad.

I remember him guesting on the Cosby Show. Talented guy.

I never really watched a full episode of Y & R

but on commercial breaks for other soaps

I would get a glimpse of him & he was a good soap actor.

He always seem like a nice guy when he appeared on talk shows like Geraldo.

The Winters were at the height of their power and watchability in the 90s. It's sad that they were so broken down the last 20 years.

R2 His cock was cut. Dina, you must have him confused with another BBC

Datalounge fav' Thom Bierdz has weighed in with a tweet-

I am so very very sorry - he was a very sweet, gentle man. - and of course - still is those things -- as his soul/countenance continues on... no doubt he is experiencing great freedom in the afterlife... was a pleasure to know him...

Have any Days Of Our Lives stars issues any comments yet?

Allison Sweeney:

This is such tragic news. Kristoff was a class act, always so kind & a fabulously talented actor. My heart goes out to his family, friends & fans mourning his sudden loss. Rest In Peace #RIPKristoff

Marci Miller:

I met Kristoff St John and walked away encouraged by how generous and kind he was to me, a newcomer in Soaps. I can’t imagine the heaviness those close to him are experiencing. Grateful for his work and all the ways he shared his heart with us through it. #YR

Greg Rikaart:

RIP, beautiful Kristoff.

R12 = my adorably racist grandma

He had a HUGE penis.

It is so sad hearing this news, but it is not surprising. Seeing him on screen after his son died, all light seemed to leave his eyes. Unfortunately, you could tell he was not long for this world.

He was such a handsome teen idol. I had such a crush on him when I was a kid.

So why didn’t any of his friends help him?

Where is Eileen Davidson's tweet?

I'm not a soap person but this lady also died over the weekend:

Candice Earley

Everyone at the Y&R set knew that this would happen. Blood on their hands. Don’t tweet fake condolences. You ALL knew the outcome before it actually happened.

I woulda totally fucked him when he was younger.

Has Jill tweeted yet?

Where is crazy Victoria Rowell’s ’ statement?

R55 Here it is

Ain’t no mountain high enough, to keep me from you, my beloved @kristoffstjohn1 —though denied for a decade, you never stopped requesting for us to be reunited @CBSDaytime @Sony pushing for #Diversity @YandR_CBS . True #BlackHistoryMonth #IDreamBlack history. Eternally I LOVE you

omg, Rowell actually wrote that???

They should have reunited Neil and Dru years ago. I wonder if that would have kept him alive.

A tweet about Kristoff and the Winters family. I find it kind of sad that Kristoff's work on Generations which featured a black family from the start is forgotten or not known to many soap fans. ‏

@OrvilleLloyd I remember watching Y&R as a kid the Winters were first high profile black family on an American soap or one of the first. This is sad a great man Kristoff St John is gone.

Wait, Victoria Rowell used a remembrance tweet about a former co-star who has just committed suicide to complain yet again about not being re-hired by Y&R? She is really fucking shameless.

Racist troll at R61. Blocked.

I thought r56 was joking but it's true:

Shameful that Rowell made his death about her

[quote]So why didn’t any of his friends help him?

They might have tried helping him. But, as another poster said upthread sometimes nothing can be done if someone wants to end their life.

Some people with mental illness downplay their issues or pretend to be ok at times.

Here's a summary of reaction from colleagues:

Eileen Davidson I’ll miss you Steel @kristoffstjohn1

Nancy Lee Grahan One of my favorite ppl to hug over the years when the soaps mingled. What a lovely man. #kristoffstjohn

Have any of the Rosales family tweeted yet?

TMZ reported that his ex-wife tweeted this and then deleted it.

"THAT HOSPITAL KILLED OUR SON @TheArtofJulian THEN MY HUSBAND @kristoffstjohn1. THATS WHAT HAPPENED! THEY KILLED MY FAMILY"

Don't know why anyone is surprised at Rowell's tweet. She has always been a complete narcissist/egomaniac.

he was no stranger to gay sex I'm sure

Neither is Josh Morrow, R71.

Rowell is as crazy as Kristoff. Oh wait.

I knew him, it's very sad. He was a good man.

I see nothing wrong with Rowell's tweet. They should have been together years ago.

Fuck you, Victoria Rowell. You crazy cunt. Its not about YOU. Bitch.

R70 I wasn't surprised at all. I'm sure her tweet has probably pissed off some former or current soap actors.

R75 = Victoria Rowell

Let’s face it, he was no Olivier but I was hot for him decades ago. But his looks went downhill at an almost warp speed pace.

[quote] his looks went downhill at an almost warp speed pace.

Due to the suicide of his son

I think they will keep Neil and just leave town, what with Lily in jail and Hillary dying short time ago. How much sadness can one family endure? With the exception of Darlene Conley, Sally on B And B, does anyone know if a soap character has been kept alive offscreen when the actor dies?

R81 40 years ago an actress from Days of our Lives (Brenda Benet) killed herself. She was in the middle of a storyline, there was no way they could kill her off.

So they had one of the characters read a letter sent by her, saying she need time away and she was leaving town. We never heard from her again.

TMZ update:

11:00 AM PT -- A source close to Kristoff tells us the actor had checked himself into UCLA Medical Center in January for depression issues ... and had just been released within the last few days. We're told his depression was linked, in part, to his son, Julian's suicide years ago.

R81 Actually , Stephano DiMera is still alive on Days, even though the actor died a couple years back.

No one can say they are shocked by this. Especially his cast mates. Everyone knew that his son’s suicide broke him.

R75 you're right they should of recasted Dru with a non crazy actress...

About 20 years ago I saw him late night at the Jerry's Deli on Ventura with Seth Gilliam. This was right after Gilliam exposed that behemoth cock of his on Oz. Both men were stunning and I desperately wanted to be spit roasted by the two of them.

No, r86. They should not have recast Dru.

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Christ, you racist fucking cunt at R61. I don't know this poor man, but looking at his picture I know he had a thousand times more humanity than you, you worthless POS. Blocked.

Has Meghan Markle written on a banana yet?

He was beautiful with a big fat penis. Sad both are gone.

Every single one of his cast members who are making this about themselves should be ashamed! He needed help and no one was there for him. Shame on all of you at Y&R!!!!!!

How is it so many of you have dongfamiliarity?

I laughed at Eric Braeden referring to Kristoff as “my brotha.”

[quote]Every single one of his cast members who are making this about themselves should be ashamed!

People in the acting profession are attention whores? Alert the press!

jaleel white,

Where were all these people when Kristoff needed help?????????

The saddest part in all this is where he lived, Summit apartments in Woodland Hills. Didn’t Y&R pay the poor fellow?

He was employed by the show for 28 years.

The Russian fiance is posting about “how could he leave her ?” I think that’s odd. Why would you take so soon to social media ? He must have not been in the best place to be marrying her . RIP talented soul .

Maybe the Russian fiance should have been there for him. Cunt.

Agree, r99. I have friends who also live there. The complex is huge and gated but it's very nice inside the gates and inside the apartments. My friends have a kid and rent a 3 br for 3,000 at month.

The grounds look quite nice but the rest is rather low class. I would think he’d have owned a home in the Sunset Plaza area by now.

It really isn't, r104. It's good. Personally the rent is ridiculous but that's LA.

[quote] you're right they should of recasted

Casted.

Has Brenda Benet commented yet?

Very sad. RIP, Mr St John.

Any relation to Jill?

The place he was staying looks like a dump in the pics = bad repair jobs, mold, flooding, roaches, dog poop not picked up & an 8 year old found a bullet in the yard. Nice!!!

Victoria's tweet was bizarre, but that's in keeping with who she is. It was barely about Kristoff. They kept in touch and remained friends so I would have thought she might have dropped her ego and said something heartfelt about her friend.

But nope.

Way until Ms. Brenda Dickson hears the news!

This is very sad. I remember seeing with him his kids at Corbin Bowl (in Tarzana) regularly in late 1990s- early 2000s. I was not a Y&R fan, but I knew who he was. He seemed like a really nice guy -- the way he interacted with the staff, and the people who approached him. #RIP

[quote]Where were all these people when Kristoff needed help?????????

Dealing with their own lives, their own problems and their own families?

Unless you know what their relationship was to him in the "present," you have no clue whether or not they tried to talk to him or he expressed any of what he was going through to them.

There's a reason why many people are shocked when someone commits suicide. Sometimes they have no clue that there's an issue. Not everyone is open about what they are feeling inside and not everyone is around someone long enough to observe what they're really doing when they're alone.

As someone who has lost a couple of friends to this horrible way to go out: for neither of them was it the first time they tried it and both were determined to get it done. They did.

For as much crap as the series, "13 Reasons Why" got it did get a few things right. The reasons the main character killed herself were both real (because of incidents that occurred) and imagined (because of things in her mental state that she imagined happened) and her attempts at reaching out were sometimes clear to people around her (who ignored her) and sometimes not clear at all (because people can't read minds) but in the end the real tragedy was that she was gone and there was nothing anyone could do to bring her back.

[quote] Way until Ms. Brenda Dickson hears the news!

Brendad.

Ickson.

Did anyone on the DL have him on their death list for 2019?

So many are now saying his death was easily foreseen.

I want the receipts please.

From what I’ve read it wasn’t suicide, but an alcohol overdose. At least that is the theory for now.

Soap opera death triad: that Donna Beck person (Candice Earley-AMC), Kristoff St. John (Y&R) and Julie Adams (Capitol)

r117 I didn't put him on the death list but something was definitely wrong with him last year and he hadn't been the same since his son's death.

To be honest, if you didn't know about his personal struggles, you would have thought the fact he was not on Y&R a lot in the last few years was because of budget cuts or new regimes not wanting to utilize him.

Can someone please explain how an alcohol overdose works? Does one simply drink drink drink quickly till body shuts down? Is it painful? How much would one have to drink? Not that I'm thinking about taking this way out but…….really……..

Acute alcohol poisoning?

They did a 2 minute story on his death on Entertainment Tonight

Has confirmed bachelor Shemar Moore released a statement yet?

Viola Davis released a heart wrenching statement.

The pain of grief and mental health should be addressed in the same realm as "physical" ailments. No real words except....I hope you found peace. God bless those you loved who were left behind. With all my heart and empath

Question is how does she know who Kristoff is? He is a soap star and she is an Oscar winner

I doubt she watched Y&R

r125 Many Oscar winners started as soap stars. Didn't Bette Davis LOVE Guiding Light so much she wrote fan letters all the time? Allison Janney, who worked on GL for 2 years, just won an Oscar. They acting community is very small.

Btw- Nia Long >>>>>>>>> Vickey Rowell

Kristoff was also a child actor (he played a young Alex Haley in Roots: The Next Generation) and he appeared on Cosby Show as Denise's boyfriend. He was also on the groundbreaking Generations which was the first soap to have a core African American family who was the focus of the show. It's not a stretch that Viola would know who he was.

r127 I mean, Generations was no Guiding Light-The first soap to feature black actors. It is mind blowing that James Earl Jones was replaced by Billy Dee Williams and Rudy Dee was replaced by Cicely Tyson! Their characters played husband/wife. Husband was a doctor.

Anyway- very sad about Kristoff. I've heard losing a child is just a special kind of hell. I really cannot imagine the pain. I'm sorry he couldn't find the help he needed.

Would Viola Davis know who Debbi Morgan is?

Make this about ME!

[quote] he appeared on Cosby Show as Denise's boyfriend

Did he ever work at Costco?

Opening of the Cosby Show rip-off "Charlie & Co." where Kristoff played the eldest son.

Della Reese played the busy-body Aunt Rachel who lived in the same building

I had the pleasure of keeping him entertained on the phone way back in 1999. I was working in radio, low level producer, and it was either just after the cancellation of Another World was announced, or after its last episode. He was the first actual soap actor to comment live in our city. There were several delays that day, storm reports, so he and I chatted as we waited. He couldn't have been sweeter. Good sense of humour about himself. Also, I vividly remember his voice going deeper than I've ever heard on TV.

He promised to take me out the next time he was in town. As if. But it made me start recording his show for a while. I was already quite familiar with it, and his character.

Was he ever SORASed?

Always thought him to be a Cosby spawn. Spitting image!

No r134, but sort of the opposite is true. Like every soap parent of a SORASed kid, he didn't age as rapidly as his offspring.

He just saved another contract actor on Y&R.

[quote] Kristoff was also a child actor (he played a young Alex Haley in Roots: The Next Generation) and he appeared on Cosby Show as Denise's boyfriend. He was also on the groundbreaking Generations which was the first soap to have a core African American family who was the focus of the show.

Was he a legacy child?

poor guy!

Very good article. Braeden comes across extremely humble and emotional.

I'm guessing his 25 years young Russian fiancee left him as well. No recent pictures of them together. It's super sad and I understand completely. Grief and heartbreak are literal killers.

R125 is a fucking moron.

Is anyone really shocked that an actor would make another actor's death all about them? They're just waiting for the "i'm so sorry for loss" from fans, friends and family. It's a gifted spotlight.

To the actors out there: Make it about YOU!

YES WE KNOW R132!

SEE R48, HON.

SHEEEEEESH!!!

Gladys Knight was St John's co-star in "Charlie & Co" posted on fb, twitter and IG 2 hours ago and nothing for him. What a cunt!

R146, his about the pips?

R146, how about the pips?

On Young and the Restless was he a part of a “super couple”?

beautiful .

cute.

yummy!

.............

Has ATWT's Benjamin Hendrickson commented yet?

........

R126 How DARE you forget about ME!

Seriously?

Gawd! Some of you are so stupid, it's painful to call myself human.

Truly disgusted at the Y&R cast. They are all so selfish in making Kristoff’s death all about themselves. None of them are shocked - they all knew what the outcome would be but they did nothing to help him.

R72, how do you know that Joshua Morrow has had gay sex?

Most soap actors are at least bi, R160.

Is Mel Scott going to wear a fro wig if Vicky Rowell comes back for the Kristoff tribute?????

I'm disappointed to read so many comments blaming the Y&R cast etc in regards to the lovely Kristoff passing away. You don't know who was doing what behind the scenes and for how long, to try and help him as best as they could. This is what you won't be hearing about in the media, in any form.

Loved the Neil/Dru/Olivia/Nathan storyline from the 90's, one of my Y&R faves. Thanks Kristoff, you will be missed X

Another AIDS death they'll cover up

R12 Shemar is a 10, he's three and a quarter.

The gallows humor is starting to work my nerves.

About being disgusted over the cast not stepping to prevent this.... There's only so far you can go. Once you realize they're hell bent to self destruct, you have to leave it to fate or go down the rabbit's hole with them.

Why is the cast responsible for his actions and life. Do any of your co-workers get intimately involved in your life? Not me. Go to work, put in 9 hours, leave.

The cast should have done more to help him.

He was just released from mental health treatment and should have been monitored more closely since this was not his first attempt. As others have said if he was determined there was no stopping him. Very sad.

What EXACTLY should the cast have done? Move in with him? Monitor his every move for an indefinite period of time? Follow him through out the day? Control his finances? Again, why is that the responsibility of his co-workers? They have lives too. Where was his family? Friends?

He made a decision to stop moving forward after his horrible life tragedy. No amount of Esther Valentine’s cheerfulness or Mamie’s sticky buns would have changed his course.

He had received professional help multiple times as well. He just got out of treatment just a few days before his death. He just went on a downward spiral after his sons death. Sometimes people never get over those types of things and nothing can fill that void.

Mel Scott should have done more to help.

Melody should have let him rest on her sofa more often.

Any cock shots?

Go to the 52m 50 seconds mark of this to hear Victoria Rowell calling in and getting into the behind the scenes drama.

No thanks. I would believe anything Rowell says.

Shemar Moore's Twitter tributes:

Mr KRISTOFF ST JOHN..... There is no ME without YOU!!!!! You are MY BROTHER!!! I LOVE YOU!!! Sleep my dude.... REST IN PEACE... I’ll finish what YOU started!!! THANK YOU for YOUR HEART and [video below]

“Stoff.... I LOVE YOU BIG BROTHER”!!!!!! fuck!!!!! I MISS YOU!!!!! Sleep easy Big Brother... Sleep Easy!! 🙏🏾😓😴😴😴😴😴😴❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ -

“YOU showed me the way.... I’ll do the rest..... THANK YOU!!!!!”........ KRISTOFF ST JOHN 👊🏾❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏾

KRISTOFF ST JOHN.......... The most popular, Iconic, African American Soap Star EVER!!!!! ...... GIVE HIM THAT...... He EARNED IT!!!! ........ I LOVE YOU Stoff!!! There’s NO me without…

RIP....... “This ain’t goodbye Brother... Watch me make you proud!! We will be together again... I LOVE YOU Kristoff!!! Just go chill out and watch me carry YOUR torch” 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️👊🏾😎

Wow - is that what Shemar looks like now?

WOW, is THAT ever a DRAMATIC tweet.

I am almost 100% sure i got fucked by him about 10 yrs ago...on and off fuck-buddy for about 18 months. I was fucked by alot of 'high yellow half breeds back in the day. never watched Y&R, always ABC-Great body-big fat dick.

R181, are you Anonymous in Philadelphia?

R179, Shemar is almost 50 now.

Shemar is 50 and never married. Hmmmmmm

Yeah, it is curious that a hunk like Shemar has never been married or had children.

That's why I don't buy his claims that he is straight. A straight guy with his looks would have banged hundreds of women by now and probably gotten at least one of them pregnant.

As someone who has been suicidal multiple times in the past (I’m bipolar) I think it’s really unfair to put any blame on his coworkers. Obviously they knew he was struggling - his son died!- but I’m not sure how much they should have been expected to do. It’s so hard to even start that kind of conversation. Mental health is still so sadly stigmatized. If he was on a certain path I’m not sure what anyone could have done. The poor man. It sounds like by all accounts he was a great man. May he Rest In Peace now.

From Y&R's Facebook page:

To honor Kristoff St. John, Y&R will air a special tribute to him during the show on Friday, Feb. 8. His final episode of The Young and the Restless will air tomorrow. Please join us in saying goodbye to a beloved member of the Y&R and CBSDaytime family. ♥️

I always got this guy, jason Olive and shemarr moore confused.

So that’s it? Just a short tribute to him? Shame on you Y&R!

R161, I was just wondering how R72 knows for a fact that Joshua Morrow had gay sex.

I find it intriguing because Joshua has always seemed like such a straight frat boy type. And he's married to a woman and has 4 kids.

Why is it assumed that it was suicide? If couldn't been accidental alcohol poisoning.

It's everything put together, R191: unrelenting grief in the aftermath of his son's suicide, his recent stay in a mental health treatment center, multiple reports that he seemed unwell. And he didn't necessarily have to have planned a suicide by alcohol, complete with dosage and note. He may very well have started drinking spontaneously, and then decided that he wasn't going to stop until he was certain he would never wake up again.

Morrow is definitely a straight frat boy bro. Completely hetero.

Joshua Morrow has also said he is a Republican, which is a bit of a turn off, although he seems socially liberal and has posted pro-gay marriage tweets on Twitter.

No worries, Miss Chrissy is working on young Master Morrow. If anyone can turn a Republican, Miss Chrissy is Joanie on the spot.

sounds to me like he totally could have been drowning his sorrows and took it too far. blacked out and never came back. never thought he was cute until he was older. a hot daddy. never watched the show. he does remind me of bill cosby. i love his name. so distinguished. rest in peace.

Kristoff was not only a nice looking man, but also someone who was said to be very down to earth and kind.

Not an egotistical ass like a lot of good looking actors, but a nice guy.

Agreed. KSJ got hotter as he got older. He was sort of weird looking when he debuted on y and r in 1991. Neil was a kind of milquetoast character who excelled when the character was less than perfect I.e. his alcoholism on the show. Long time watcher of the show and I do miss Drucilla, Olivia and Malcolm. Bill Bell had an eye for actors and what made the show tick.

Call her Miss Moore!

26 years ago!

Shemar used to model for International Male.

Some of the photos are on the IM thread.

So are they just editing out appearances he made on Y&R after Thursday? Doesn’t Y&R tape a few months in advance?

No, R201.

There isn't that long of a turnover between taping & broadcast for daytime soap operas.

R201 6-7 weeks in advance. Y and R Facebook said tomorrow is his last appearance. Neil doesn’t have any storyline anyway and he was dealing with his issues so it was deliberate they sent him out of town.

Everyone here stating that the cast of Y&R should have done something- Let us remember that these folks do not all work 5 days a week. Most of the actors work 3 days a week- Kristoff worked maybe 1 or 2 days a MONTH in recent months/years to my knowledge? If you all spend time with your co-workers after work and on weekends, then you are living in a parallel universe to the one I live in

At the company I work for most people would not spit on each other if they were burning-

This man seemed to be ADORED by his co-workers- but there are lines in life. He appeared to be extremely close with Doug Davidson, Bryton, and Daniel Goddard. But men are men, and Eric Braeden has been pretty damn eloquent in explaining that people just didn't bring these subjects up. And maybe they should.

Bottom line, this man was truly LOVED. And truly loved others. Too much, maybe. What a good person. That is a legacy.

[quote] There isn't that long of a turnover between taping & broadcast for daytime soap operas.

It’s six months for Days of Pur Lives aka DOOL.

Do not blame the co-workers. i do not want anyone at work inlvolved in my personal life. punch in, do my job, then go home.

DOPL

R206, he wasn't just some temporary co-worker, though.

He had been working on the show for 25-30 years.

I'm told that the investigation has been focused on his coworkers and their inactions

r208 you're buggin.

Shemar is hùng.

R211, you're referring to the naked photos of Shemar a few years ago at the gay beach?

Yeah, he looks like he has a decent size cut cock:

Funny thing is, it wasn't a gay beach until Ms Moore wiggled his toes in the sand

Shemar claimed he didn't know he was at a gay beach and that he was there with his girlfriends:

I watched Y&R during the Neil Winters (Kristoff St. John), Drucilla (Victoria Rowell), Malcolm (Shemar Moore), and Olivia (Tonya Lee Williams) days. The Malcolm and Drucilla characters were definitely more fun, I'm sure, for the actors to play. In retrospect, Kristoff reminds me of Barack Obama, dignified in demeanor. Aretha Franklin was a huge Y&R fan. I think the popularity of Y&R in the black community was due to the Neil/Drucilla/Malcolm/Olivia story lines.

Kristoff St. John seemed like he was a good man. So sad that he lost his son and could not go on without the son.

Did he have a stroke? His face appears uneven.

New tweet from Eric Braeden:

[quote]Let me just say that DOUGIE DAVIDSON, DANIEL GODDARD AND BRYTON JAMES WERE OFTEN BY KRISTOFF’S side in his worst moments! If anyone deserves our respect and thanks it is those 3!!!

The 3 should have helped him more.

Adam Lazarre-White who played Olivia's husband Nathan Hastings for a couple of years posted this on twitter.

"@kristoffstjohn1 was one of the kindest, most collaborative people I’ve met in Hollywood. He welcomed me & @shemarmoore onto @YandR_CBS in ‘94 like a big brother & led the way, as we all worked together for years. His passing is a tragedy. He will be missed. #RIPKristoffStJohn"

This is sad. Sounds like he was a nice man.

I remember watching Y&R in the early 90's with my mom when I was very young. She loved Neil and Malcolm and little Nate. Thought Neil was such a handsome gentleman and Malcolm was hot as hell. Those were fun times.

Kristoff St. John, Victoria Rowell, Tonya Lee Williams and Shermar Moore have been credited (in part) to Y&R being number 1, because the show had a huge African American audience. In fact Y&R had a huge lead among Black viewers over every single soap on that air at that time.

Other black soaps stars from different shows said the reason Y&R was number 1 with Black viewers, was the storyline with those four were not just black stories. But soap stories, wives cheating of their husbands. Daytime drama, period.

While the other shows had one or two black characters, and they had nothing to do. While the Y&R black actors were in the thick of the action.

Video of Eric Braeden interviewed today:

So was he Bill Cosby's love child or not?

Cast that propelled Y&R to be number one with Black viewers by a wide margin over all the other soaps in the 1990s and 2000s

Tonya Lee Williams was a strong cast member.

She got an Emmy nomination for the storyline where she found out about Nathan's cheating on her. She displayed Olivia's betrayal and anger very well.

She started out on children's t.v. in Canada.

Tonya Lee Williams is refusing comment on his death at this time.

The one in the middle at R224 has a weird nose. What’s her name?

Tonya & Kristoff were probably very close, and she's still processing it. She seems like a classy woman and wants to gather her thoughts before releasing anything.

Y&R just tweeted

To honor Kristoff St. John, #YR will air a special tribute to him during the show on Friday, Feb. 8. His final episode of The Young and the Restless will air tomorrow. Please join us in saying goodbye to a beloved member of the Y&R and @CBSDaytime family.

R227, I think that's Christel Khalil.

She played the daughter of Kristoff and Victoria Rowell.

James Reynolds (Abe DAYS) played his TV Father on "Generations" he tweeted

Kristoff was my TV son, my friend of 30 years. May the angels care for his sweet soul. It was my blessing to know him.

R229, are you also R187?

Was it suicide?

That’s sweet, R231.

[quote] I think that's Christel Khalil.

Thanks.

Kim Fields (Facts of Life) has released a video statement on the passing of Kristoff St. John

Holly Robinson Peete tweets

...I am just so gutted thinking about the amazing talent that was Kristoff St. John. Of course everyone knows him from Y&R but today I’ve been watching our fun scenes from Hangin up Mr. Cooper today thinking about the hilarious times we had on set. He will be missed

[quote]Aretha Franklin was a huge Y&R fan. I think the popularity of Y&R in the black community was due to the Neil/Drucilla/Malcolm/Olivia story lines.

I remember reading about Aretha being a huge Y&R fan. Someone upthread said that they doubted that Viola Davis watched Y&R. I think there is a good chance Viola is/ was a soap fan.

I also remember when soap mags used to mention celebrities who were soap fans.

Damn you, Susan Dey still has not responded.

Aretha's favorite character was Victor Newman.

Yeah, Rowell made it about herself; so did Shemar to an extent; "I never had a brother...I'll continue on for you."

It's hard not to write a tribute without 'I' but it's been done.

Contrast that with Yvette Nicole Brown's Instagram tribute to him. She writes about how on her last day playing Neil's date Lois, she and St. John had lunch in the commissary and St. John invited an extra over to join them who had been eating by herself.

It's always the ones with the biggest, kindest hearts who take their lives. Not the selfish ones.

Richard Bucket gets like 13 replies and this unknown gets 241?

You gays should be ashamed, very ashamed.

Has that inconsiderate bitch Susan Dey offered her condolences yet?

R242, most gays, particularly those on DL, have watched daytime soaps at some point in their lives.

And since Kristoff was on the top-rated soap for a quarter of a century, it makes sense that people here would be upset by this news.

[quote] Damn you, Susan Dey still has not responded.

[quote] Has that inconsiderate bitch Susan Dey offered her condolences yet?

Did they work together?

I first saw Kristoff St. John on The Bad News Bears TV series from 1979 to 1980. He played Ahmad Abdul Rahim, which was a character in the 1976 movie. I always noticed in this series that even though he was playing a black kid who was supposed to be full of anger and resentment he still always came across as nice, friendly and likeable. Now I know it turns out that was his true character - he was a sweet, nice person. Check out this clip from an episode of The Bad News Bears where Kristoff sings and plays guitar with Rad Daly singing lead.

R204, great post. Thank you.

I’m taking this death pretty hard, tbh. I can only imagine how his family, friends, and co-workers feel.

Eric Braeden sounded so American and down to earth in that interview. Very heartfelt.

R245. It doesn't matter. We're going to shame Susan until she starts acting like a lady.

[quote]I wonder if it was clinical depression. He wasn't aging particularly well...which is a comment about perhaps there was some stuff going on internally, rather than physically. A person's appearance is affected by his mental state, sometimes. In other words, "It shows on your face." In recent pics, his "facial symmetry" seemed off. I know, I sound like a nutjob, myself! LOL . Very very sad to hear this. He was prolific in the daytime TV industry, a familar handsome face for decades. RIP.

Not a nutjob. Definitely, an idiot...

I have read many posts on various websites and Twitter, but DL is the only place where “not aging well” is attributed to a person’s suicide. Of ALL the shit that it could be, a 50-year-old man who doesn't look like he did 30 years ago is most likely NOT the reason he left behind 2 kids and 2 ex-wives.

Beautiful chocolate menzes.

[quote]Everyone here stating that the cast of Y&R should have done something

It's one troll, probably the same one that infests other soap threads with her idiocies.

Maybe there was nothing that the cast could do - but they cannot say that they are shocked. People like Braeden said that he was shocked but come on. Kristoff spiraled downward. Even I knew how this would end up. So stop it with the shocked thing, castmates. That is their cover (guilt). But don’t use the word shocked. No one is shocked about this.

[quote] Eric Braeden sounded so American and down to earth in that interview. Very heartfelt.

Quite.

[quote] Beautiful chocolate menzes.

Robert Menzies?

Tonya Lee Williams did incredible work during the 90s storyline where Olivia's husband was sleeping with a girl who eventually died from AIDS.

Shemar wrote a tribute to Kristoff which was not only self promoting but frankly unhinged. I have much more understanding for Victoria Rowell's tribute because without Drucilla, Neil wasn't shit... and people need to admit that. Kristoff really added nothing to the show without her, and when she was there, he functioned as her voice of wisdom during her many melodramas... that's what made them such a strong couple.

Kristoff’s castmates, current and former, are celebrities. By nature, they make it all about them, instead of Kristoff. Very phoney. Shemar, have several seats. You knew this was the endgame.

sob!

The Young and the Restless #1 Soap Among African-American Viewers Since 1991

Because the stories were about wives cheating on their husbands, etc. It was daytime drama period. Whereas other soaps had one or two black characters with nothing to do. Y&R black characters were in the thick of the action, which is why Y&R had such a HUGE African-American audience, miles ahead of the other shows.

Yeah, it's a shame that the Winters family isn't a big part of Y&R anymore.

They lost Shemar Moore to Criminal Minds. Then they lost Victoria Rowell. She may have been a drama queen, but she was good on the show.

And Tonya Lee Williams hasn't been a regular in years. Another mistake. And now Kristoff is gone.

A shame.

R260, are you also R221?

Yvette Nicole Brown is an actress and she didn't make it all about her.

She made it about KRISTOFF.

Here's her Instagram post:

I am still trying to process the news that this dear, dear man is gone. Forgive me if what I say here doesn’t come together just right, but I have to say something about @kristoffstjohn. He deserves as loving a tribute as my early morning sadness can muster. #KristoffStJohn was love. Just pure and simple: love. He was the kind of person you meet who you feel like you’ve known your entire life.

He had a gift for making people feel instantly at ease. He could immediately diffuse any nervousness you had. In my case, I was a ball of nerves because I was playing my first role on a soap opera ever...on #YandR which happened to be one of my FAVORITE soap operas...AND I was meeting HIM, who I had been a fan of most of my life. It could have been a scary, heavy moment. Kristoff made it LIGHT.

In my character, Lois’ subsequent visits to Genoa City, Kristoff was more of the same. Kind, encouraging, playful, fun and present. He saw me. He saw EVERYONE. He made time for everyone. He celebrated everyone. No matter who you were. He saw you. We spent our last lunch break together (the day this picture was taken) eating with a background actor who had been sitting alone in the commissary. Not on Kristoff’s watch. He called her over to join us and the three of us had an amazing time. She got to geek out and ask every question she had and she and I both properly fan-girled over the gift of this lovely man. Kristoff made that moment happen. He saw her. More importantly he felt her. He didn’t want her to be alone in a new place. He did the same for me.

That is who he was a man. He was just GOOD. I am heartbroken to hear that he is gone. So heartbroken. #RIP dear heart.

Meanwhile Kristoff St. John ex-wife (mother of his son who killed himself) was rushed to the hospital yesterday on a suspected overdose as well!

She must of been so distraught over Kristoff death, I guess she thought she should join him and her son.

R263 That is truly beautiful. It’s not about “I I I ME Me Me I I I”. I’m disgusted at the Y&R cast who have made this tragedy all about themselves instead of Kristoff. Selfish pricks.

Keith Hamilton Cobb (ex-Noah AMC) worked with Kristoff on Y&R after he left AMC - he has tweeted some stuff recently (and just hours ago)

and tweeted NOTHING about Kristoff St. John

Maybe nobody told him he died?

Does Keith Hamilton Cobb have buttsecks?

Who played NuNoah?

[quote] More importantly he felt her.

Uh-oh.

Fuck you Eric Braeden. You’re shocked????? Seriously? Shocked that this happened? WTF. Everyone knew that this was coming. There’s nothing you could do, but to say you’re shocked? That’s Bullshit!

r270, if "everyone" knew what was coming, then what's your excuse for not saving Kristoff?

R271 I was not a friend or co-worker of Kristoff. But god damn! We ALL saw it coming. Every one of us saw it.

r272 you're being ridiculous, and are just trolling at this point.

Anyone bitching at Eric Braeden for using the word “shocked” is fucking pathetic.

And no, all of the cast’s remembrances were not about themselves. That is a lie. Yes, Shemar talked about himself, but he CLEARLY loved Kristoff. So did the others. Victoria Rowell talked about her agenda. You want to roast her too?

Some of you act as if you never lost someone close to you. Someone should play a recording of your conversations when you were grieving.

Someone needs to check in on titty grabbers 4 fans that he has left. Adam is coming back but titty toucher was NOT asked back. Oh my vapors!

Victoria Rowell did not tweet anything inappropriate. Without Dru, Neil has been filler.

I’m wearing my Vicki Rowell wig in honor of Kristoff.

Why is serial nutjob so god damned DUMB??????

Gladys Knight had a show?

The tit grabber hasn’t commented about Kristoff. He should be ashamed of himself.

You people are delusional. THESE WERE CO WORKERS!!!! Kristoff worked once or twice A MONTH!!!!!!!!

And frankly, everyone but good old Rowell has made it about Kristoff.

Eric's reaction to his passing has been the most impressive. You can tell that he truly respected Kristoff has a human being- even if they weren't buddies

[quote] The tit grabber hasn’t commented about Kristoff. He should be ashamed of himself.

Who?

Has Nia Peebles commented?

She did R283.

[quote] You people are delusional. THESE WERE CO WORKERS!!!! Kristoff worked once or twice A MONTH!!!!!!!!

Please fuck yourself with a flaming spear. Seriously. You've said this over and over.

R281, Kristoff worked on Y&R for a quarter of a century. So although he may have been working less in recent years, he was a long-term colleague of the older cast members like Eric Braeden who he had known for a couple decades.

And although Kristoff & Shemar probably drifted apart in recent years when Shemar left Y&R for Criminal Minds, I'm sure Shemar's grief about Kristoff is genuine since they were close buddies in Shemar's early days in the business.

Vinessa Antoine who played the original Jordan on GH tweeted that she met Kristoff the week she was auditioning for GH....she happened to be standing behind him in line at a juice bar. She told him she and her grandmother were fans and that she was auditioning for GH. He asked if she had her script with her, she ran out to her car and got the script and he sat in juice bar and helped her with her audition scene. She only saw him after that at industry events and said he was so warm and kind.

Kristoff was so good natured, even Braeden couldn't find anything to hold against him. That's a very egotistical and cliquish set. Kristoff and Jess Walton are the only vets there recently who weren't like that.

R288, yes, I remember a couple decades ago there was a power struggle between Eric Braeden & Peter Bergman.

They even were rumored to have come to blows in the dressing rooms (I think it was reported in one of the Soap Opera magazines at the time).

They apparently patched up their differences, but yeah.

R289 Yes, it's surprising that neither were really disciplined at all.

Snobby Melody Thomas Scott stopped taking to Jeanne Copper for a period of time once over nothing. Then one day she started speaking to her as if nothing happend.

Jeanne told her she was fat.

They couldn’t depend on KSJ these last few years because they never knew if he would be loco on the days they needed him onset.

[quote]Yes, it's surprising that neither were really disciplined at all.

Well, Braeden & Bergman were the two most popular leading men on Y&R at the time, so I don't think Bill Bell wanted to lose either one of them.

Y&R is a set full of egos and horrible people. Peter Bergman privately remarked to someone that every day he worked on Y&R he missed being on AMC more and more because there were zero egos, not even Lucci gave any trouble.

Bergman and Braeden fought because they were both living their characters a bit too realistically and Eric was very territorial about what he felt was "his" show.

Braeden is one of the most successful & famous characters in Y&R's history, so I can kind of understand why he has an ego. Victor Newman is many people's favorite character. Aretha Franklin said he was her favorite.

As for Bergman, he's a good actor, but he's lucky he's on Y&R. It has made him more famous than he was on AMC, and won him several Emmys.

Kristoff's dick wasn't all that.

Even double digits wasn't enough for a gaping hole like JaBottom's.

How generous of Y&R. They give Kristoff a minute at the end of Fridays episode. Assholes.

I have several coworkers, if they offed themselves, I would throw a party. A celebration.

I've thrown several "bon voyage" parties for departing co-workers, AFTER they've left!

God. If I had to keep track of everyone at work that I wished would drop dead I'd need to put it in a spreadsheet. Keep your home shit at home and your work shit at work. This is why I don't allow crying in the break room. It's bad for moral. Cry somewhere else. Like your own apartment.

R300 r301 r302 you're terrible! And yet I'm laughing in solidarity!

We should all be more sensitive to our coworkers, when it comes down to it. I've taken to checking in on them throughout the weekend, or even dropping by.

I check on them too. to see if they need someone to put the bag over their had after they take the pills.

These last few posts have me laughing because they are so true!

Apparently they've totally excised Victoria Rowell footage out of the Kristoff tribute. She's going to be totally pissed off about that. It's a shame they couldn't included her, because Dru was a big force on the show for years, especially with Neil.

Has there been a gofundme account started for his death?

R307, I'm beginning to think I'm glad that I stopped watching Y&R a few years ago.

Can’t blame them for editing out koo koo VR. She crazy.

Rowell can be her own worst enemy sometimes, but she really added a lot to the show. Most of Neil's best moments on the show were with Dru, so it really hurt the tribute just because they're pissed at her.

Eric and Peter don’t like each other.

r312 - Many years ago I was at the bar in Maggianos at the Farmer Market in Los Angeles, right next to the Y&R studio, when several cast members came in to get a table. Among them were Eric Braeden and Peter Bergman. Braeden went right up to the bar and ordered two taquilla shots - and he and Bergman did the shots and cornered themselves off at the bar chatting. They appeared to be good friends. Fun note - Eva Longoria was there that night because at the time she was in the cast.

It is possible for co-workers to become close after having fought. I couldn't stay this guy I worked with, he was obnoxious, thought he was better than everyone else, but still cute. If he came into a room, I left. One day he stopped by for something on his day off, wearing a tight t-shirt and those shorts with a slight slit up the side (yes, this was YEARS ago). I wanted him immediately, and a few weeks later, I had him. The fling didn't last long, but we became best "work friends" and even stayed in touch when he got another job.

Still dead here!

This thread is about ME!

Wow, NYT is on it.

early interview

Well, the tribute on today's episode got me a little verklempt. I'm glad it didn't go longer or I would have been a mess.

R318 hugs to you. I’m sorry.

The cast and crew should have done more to help him. Truth. Even Braeden’s interviews confirm it. You don’t talk about it - but you should have. They all knew Kristoff was spiraling down. Don’t act shocked. You all knew this is how it would end. All of his castmates knew it. God damn hypocrites.

From Y&R's Facebook page: [quote]Beginning in late April, Y&R will feature a storyline that pays tribute to both Kristoff and his character.

Looks like Neil is going to die.

Here is the tribute:

[quote]I was more fond of “As the World Turns” and “Guiding Light” — CBS programs sponsored by Proctor & Gamble

Are there no proofreaders at the Times anymore? It's PROCTER, not PROCTOR.

There are proofreaders at the Times, it's just that none of them are human. $aving the big bucks.

Why are people still tweeting Kristoff????? Do they think he’s reading the tweets? SMH

I tweeted him once about Neil being a jerk to the women in his life and he responded graciously. I loved when Karen called him out about how insensitive he was to her feelings after he slept with Aunt Tyra. He broke her heart to be with that hussy for a one nighter.

Then Aunt Tyra slept with her nephew.

She was a major Ho and they were Hp's too in that story line.

Poor little Ashley Banks too. She was collateral damage as well.

Anyway, he was a great actor especially when he played an alcoholic grieving the losses of Ryan and Dru respectively.

So sad when one thinks about his real life struggles. God Bless him and his family.

They are a cray cray family. Now the ex wife is claiming that she’s being held against her will in some funny farm. Those kids don’t stand a chance!

r326 Why on earth would you contact an actor about his character's actions? You do realize they don't write their own material, don't you?

[quote]They are a cray cray family. Now the ex wife is claiming that she’s being held against her will in some funny farm. Those kids don’t stand a chance!

Mia and Kristoff's daughter is 26 or 27. Hopefully, she has some sane supportive people in her life. I may have missed it. But, did Kristoff's second wife and daughter from that marriage issue statements?

The Y & R cast has blood on their hands.....I hope they can live with themselves for killing a fine actor.

I know, how dare the cast buy him all that booze and funnel it down his throat.

R331 - friends and coworkers ALWAYS know when there’s an issue....they are to blame and hopefully feel bad about killing him.

The doctor that killed his son killed him first.

R332- Are you a fucking troll?? You are disgusting.

My coworkers no NOTHING about me.

You are a pig.

^^ “no” should be spelled “know” in that usage.

It wasn't worth my time to type the K or the W, BITCH!!

Kisses, babe

I gave Neil a jet.

R332 - grooowwlllll! I like em fiesty!!! Wanna hook up?

Victoria Rowell will be whining again in a few months when they likely kill Neil offscreen and do a full tribute episode and she'll be excluded from flashbacks.

They shouldn't exclude Rowell.

Very petty.

He looks as if he got darker as he got older.

After all the batshit crazy stuff Rowell had said and done, they should exclude her. No flashbacks, no nothing.

This is a woman who sued them for not wanting her back. A woman who left the show on her own accord. NO WAY IN HELL are they going to show any clips of her ever again. Unless it's the clip of Michelle Stafford spitting on her.

Nia Peeples has stayed quiet about Kristoff's death. She didn't like him and trashed him in an interview after she left the show. Nia was a diva during her Fame days which led to her being killed off and I wouldn't be surprised if she is still a diva.

A few years back, Nia did a Youtube Q&A fan video and she was asked about Y&R. She didn't trashed Kristoff in the video. But, she said at the time she was on the show was going through changes with management and production and she mentioned other cast members being unhappy.

These old fraus saying that Kristoff’s final air episode didn't do him justice. Y&R could not write for him after his son died. He was undependable and couldn’t show up for work. Kristoff may or may not be in the looney bin 8 weeks from now on the day we record this episode. How do you write for that? You can’t.

Nia Peeples is a cunt

I remember way back in the late-90s to mid-00s, KSJ used to post on the Y&R soap opera message board at the long-gone MediaDomain website. He used the handle "Moonboy" (owing to his astrological sign).

He was generally polite, cordial, and fun in his talks with fans. Occasionally, he'd put up these more or less "stream-of-consciousness" type posts with his goal being to get fans to question things about their opinions of the show. At other times, he'd step-in when some asinine poster would go off the rails spewing lies about someone or something related to the show.

RIP, Moonboy

[quote] They shouldn't exclude Rowell.

Isn't SAG rules that an actor has to give permission to allow a show to use clips in new shows? Maybe Rowell didn't give permission.

A cute photo of Tricia Cast and Kristoff hanging out on the set of "The Bad News Bears," long before they became "Nina" and "Neil" on Y&R.

R344, Peeples more bitched about Eva Marcille not being present in a scene; soaps have hired good looking people who can't act for way too long.

I don't recall Marcille ever giving much in her scenes; I think the writers were changing everyone's story around this time.

The fact is the writing has never been the same since Bill Bell stepped down; I think Jack Smith came closest to making the show compelling again.

Neil had plenty of wives and lovers on the show, Alex, Sofia, Karen Taylor, Tyra, poor dead Rose, Hilary, Leslie, but they were all forgettable; the only one viewers ever cared about was Drucilla; it's too bad Rowell pissed them off. Had she played her cards differently she would have been brought back.

Message boards had nothing good to say about Marcille's amateurish acting, and she was generally referred to as "The Orange One."

Peeples main beef with the show was with the writing and how directionless her character was. She requested input from the EP-HW (Maria Arena Bell) and got none; then, there was the whole snafu of how TPTB "incorrectly" fired her based on contract provisions, so they had to bring her back to fulfill their obligations to her, just so they could fire her again the correct way after another six months. It really pointed to how dysfunctional Y&R has become behind-the-scenes.

They should have kept Club Indigo.

People are STILL tweeting Kristoff. Is he reading them? Jesus, soap are indeed nuts.

Exactly, R351.

They could have just written her a check, but they bring her back no plan other than to write her out again.

Neil was paired with woman after woman and none of them worked like Rowell did as Dru.

It's so odd; Braeden physically attacked Bergman sending him to the hospital and the feeling was, well, we can't lose Eric; he's the star and they couldn't fire Peter for being attacked.

But the mouthy black woman? Forget it. She's not coming back.

Strikes me as unfair and the show has suffered without Dru.

R354 If she'd just been mouthy, that may have been one thing. But once she started with the actual lawsuits, that's another.

Also, just reminding everyone: she wasn't fired. She asked to be written out so she could go on a national book tour. And from the way LML wrote her exit, they obviously left the door WIDE open for a potential return with that old soap opera cliche that her character supposedly died, yet no body was found. It doesn't get any more obvious than that. .. And ftr- she herself once let it out that MAB had actually tried to contact her about a possible return, but she refused to take the call. As I interpreted her "bedtime story," she made it sound like she felt "insulted" because MAB hadn't gone through her agent. .. WTF? Doesn't she know how many deals are made in this town by first starting out with some personal contact, with the agents coming in second?

Unlike most of the other soap actors, Rowell has actually had success in other mediums, including Primetime tv.

She was a regular cast member for multiple seasons of Dick Van Dyke's 'Diagnosis Murder'.

So if crazy Rowell is SO successful, why does she want back at Y&R so bad? She’s nuts.

R357 because her hay day is over. There was a point during the 90’s she was a favorite on “Y&R” , had primetime success with “Diagnosis Murder” and even had a small, but crucial part in the hit Jim Carrey flim “Dumb &Dumber”... she was even in a couple big music videos in the 90’s...anyone remember The Boyz 2 Men video “On Bended Knee”? Or was it “I’ll make love to you”?

Now what does she do? She went crazy awhile ago and is shunned by Hollywood. I don’t even think her and KSJ were friends in recent years. They used to be very close back in the day but he wasn’t even following her on Twitter.

Girl has to produce her own web soap...no one wants the work with her. I applaud her for creating her own African-American soap but c’mon now...do you think If she wasn’t nuts and old she would be doing that?

Kristoff's death is tragic; it also ends for sure any possibility or need for Dru to return. In fact, better to think of them together.

Rowell is nuts. She's made every 'tribute" to KSJ about herself and her rants about diversity on soaps when, if I recall correctly, she was in front burner stories on Y&R back in the day and even was able to have input into some of them (like her dancing, the adoption of Devon).

She's an ungrateful bitch.

Rowell's mother is bi polar or was.

She's not well.

I don't think Stafford is either; but she may hide it better? It's why their scenes were magic.

The one thing I do agree with Rowell is how Stafford treated her when they filmed the scene where the Staff spat on her. I totally believe Rowell that Staff didn't inform her beforehand.

Stafford is completely overrated and nuts. Rowell is nuts too but she's a much better actress and much more likable onscreen.

Stafford was very good during her first stint on Y&R but since then, her work is hit and miss.

Rowell has some valid points in her augments about how she was treated on the show and terrible way they treated the Barbers/Winters families, but her ranting can go in to the crazy territory and causes quite a bit of people to dismiss her claims.

Well, say what you will about Rowell & Stafford, but the show has gone downhill in recent years.

They had a lot of great characters who are no longer there.

[quote][R357] because her hay day is over. There was a point during the 90’s she was a favorite on “Y&R” , had primetime success with “Diagnosis Murder” and even had a small, but crucial part in the hit Jim Carrey flim “Dumb &Dumber”... she was even in a couple big music videos in the 90’s...anyone remember The Boyz 2 Men video “On Bended Knee”? Or was it “I’ll make love to you”?

It was On Bended Knee which also featured former soap star Renee Jones from Days of Our Lives, Lark Voorhies from Saved by the Bell and Kim Fields.

Didn't a Y&R cast member bitch about Stafford and Sharon Case trying to recruit cast and crew members into Scienotology several years back?

It's sad because Rowell and Stafford had magic chemistry, they were a total partnership and couldn't have become a legendary soap duo.

R367, the Y&R cast seems to have a lot of Scientologists and right-wingers for some reason.

Joshua Morrow is an avid Republican (although he supports gay marriage).

Victoria Rowell is a Democrat though -- I remember she campaigned for Hillary a few years ago.

R367 Case has never been as deep into the cult like Stafford is. In fact, some claim she's quit or at least stepped back from it. (Don't know what they have to support that claim, though.) .. Meanwhile Stafford is reportedly at one of the higher levels and is often listed among the "famous" cult members.

The much-publicized issue between Stafford and another actor on the show was how she allegedly harassed fellow cast member Michael Fairman (who was playing "Murphy" at the time). It was during the time when Fairman and his wife were trying to get out of the cult. He's actually written about this horrible experience, and while he doesn't name her, you can just hear Stafford hurling the line, "You have an enemy at work!" at him.

Josh comes off as your typical "California Republican." He came of age during the Big 80s of Reagan and seems to long for that era. For him it's about promoting capitalism, individualism, law & order, and the good ol' USA. etc. Meanwhile, he supports same-sex marriage, appears to believe in global-warming, and promotes environmental issues. (Also, I've never seen him promote anything religious. Do he or the wife even go to church?)

They really should have asked her back.

R371, yes, it's true that Joshua Morrow seems pro-gay based on what I've seen him post on Twitter over the years.

As for church, I don't know if he & his wife attend, but he is pro-circumcision and has mentioned having his boys snipped.

And he's pretty right-wing on law & order issues -- he's said he favors the death penalty, etc.

And when Bush was President he described himself as a big fan of W.

Josh Morrow needs to sit on my face

R373 Josh was actually one of the first soap celebs I heard support same-sex marriage.

As I recall, it was in a print interview he did around the time when the first state (Massachusetts) was working out their same-sex marriage law (ca. 2003-04). .. The interviewer was asking him something about his own wedding/marriage (2001) -- and just out of the blue with no prompting on the subject -- he said he thought same sex-marriage was something that should be legal. .. He referenced what was going on in Massachusetts and went on to mention something about one of the groomsmen in in own wedding party being gay, saying he thought this friend should have the same right to marry as he and his wife.

R375, I've also heard that Josh is a nice guy. Unlike a lot of other good-looking actors who are jerks and self-centered, he seems to be very nice and considerate to his fans and the people who meet him.

[quote]Josh Morrow needs to sit on my face

R374, did you know that in his younger days Josh did some naked ass modelling pics? ; )

Another young Josh pic for R374:

And:

GASP!

Josh's cut cock outline:

Nice link R381

Josh naked collage:

he's got a beautiful ass.

bet it's still amazing. He's become a sexy DILF.

R382, is the photo not showing up for you?

In the mid-90s, Y&R would make him shave off his very long, very pronounced treasure trail prior to shirtless scenes, because it was far too provocative.

But it took center stage in his '3 Deep' boy band act.

Yes, R386, I loved Josh's nice treasure trail.

You can see some pubes in some of those early naked pics I posted above.

How did this turn from a thread about KSJ’s unfortunate passing into a thread about Joshua Morrow’s uncut cock?

Joshua is cut, R388.

R386, you can a hint of hair around Josh's ass in this naked photo:

R386, hint of pubes, and glimpse of cock?

R388 Here's something with Josh and Kristoff in happier times.

R386, Josh's pubes?

R388 it's always about cock at the DL

R388, Joshua Morrow is very glad to be circumcised. He would be horrified that you thought he was uncut.

He should show us his swollen, circumsized gland for inspection.

Wilma Jeanne should weigh in on this. She'd know.

KSJ will be buried beside his son.

She knows about all the actors.

Did Kristoff have the uncut chocolate stick?

I'm still dead bitches!

I don't know, R400, but Shemar Moore is cut (as we saw in the nude beach pics).

R397, although they didn't have many scenes together on the show, I remember Josh being upset at Jeanne's death and talking about it on Twitter a few years ago.

He missed her because he said their dressing rooms were close to each other and he missed seeing her.

Is it me or do the cast seem to have moved on real quick after their costar killed himself?

Looks large in the non-ad photos taken for PETA's "Rather Go Naked than Wear Fur" campaign done in 2004.

R400, here's Shemar's cock:

[quote]Is it me or do the cast seem to have moved on real quick after their costar killed himself?

Simple math. There's more i's in narcissism than there are in grief.

It's not known that he did (intentionally) kill himself. It could've been an accidental OD/alcohol poisoning.

Of course his co-stars have moved on. They’re all about themselves. Even his former co-stars like VR made it all about them. And some of his former co-stars like the boob grabber never even said anything. Shameful.

I know a PA on the set who said he did it intentionally. He was very lost and at a confusing crossroads in his life with no real direction.

Kristoff St. John was FOURTH in seniority on the show. Now that he is gone Joshua Morrow has moved up to Fourth in Senority

But the one with most seniority on the show is

The Young and The Restless

Starring

Melody Thomas Scott

as

Nikki Reed Newman

What is Y&R doing for Mel’s 40th anniversary? That’s right. Nothing!

R404 What are co-workers supposed to say or do at this point? .. If they went on about his death on public social media, that would probably be criticized as well. .. They are still scheduled to work and do their jobs. .. In a similar situation that occurred in my own workplace, everyone reacted to the young man's death during the first couple of days, but then basically retreated to grieve quietly on their own in their own way until a memorial service was held a month later. It didn't mean people had moved on or were narcissistic.

R411, Doug Davidson was the longest-serving Y&R cast member after Jeanne Cooper died.

Was he fired, or did he leave voluntarily?

Davidson has been put on recurring.

I think Dougie got punished for his (drunk ??) tweets. Of course, he deleted them and claimed he was HACKED !!!

Everyone on that set hated Mal Young.

Is it true that there's a leaked pic of Doug's cock online?

It's only been a week... why is Shemar so damn upbeat?

They’re all a bunch of phonies! They allowed this to happen to our poor brloved Kristoff.

Well, life does go on.

I can't entirely blame them.

What are you gonna do?

r421, I would stay off social media for three weeks at least. That's what I'd do if I was Kristoff's colleague. In the old days etiquette demanded a period of mourning.

At least Scott Reeves isn't acting like life just goes on. He left the show in 2001 and even today he posted a tweet expressing his grief over Kristoff.

Not everyone who works together likes each other or is friendly. Soap fans seem to have a hard time with realizing that the characters they see aren’t also that way offscreen. I’m not saying you jump up-and-down because you weren’t friendly with someone but pretending to be all torn up about something beyond just the regular sadness of it much more vicious than saying nothing.

R423, I don't know much about Scott Reeves, but he was definitely very attractive in his younger days. He was shorter than most soap studs, but I seem to remember him having a nice muscular hairy chest, and looking great in his underwear.

The other thing I remember about Scott Reeves is how angry he was when he found out his wife Melissa (Days of Our Lives) was fucking another man on that show (Jason Brooks?)

Scott and Melissa Reeves are both fundies

R426, I think Austin Peck is, too.

I remember when he became really big on Jesus and reportedly tried to convert a couple of his co-stars on "Days".

Ironically, he ended up apparently fucking another woman and divorcing his wife.

R427 that one of the many reasons he was let-go from Days of our Lives - his preaching got on the nerves of everyone.

I think Scott Reeves is very close to Steve Burton.

Kudos to Scott Reeves for not acting like nothing has happened. You can actually tell he's grieving for Kristoff. Fuck everyone else.

Steve Burton is a fundie too, as well as Bryan Datillo (Lucas "days") - Austin Peck converted Bryan to find god

When Austin Peck broke up Terri Conn marriage on ATWT, I guess he converted Conn to find god as well.

On her twitter she has the hashtag #Jesusisthewaythetruththelife

What I find interesting is that all of these straight fundies don't mind cheating on their spouses.

Melissa Reeves had an affair with a Days co-star.

Austin Peck divorced his wife to be with another woman.

There are rumors that Steve Burton cheats on his wife.

And Bryan Datillo fathered a child out of wedlock.

R423 Makes sense, because Reeves' character, "Ryan McNeil," and KSJ's "Neil Winters" were portrayed as best buds when they were on the show, sharing many scenes. .. The two characters were even roommates for awhile, when both characters were going through divorces. .. When Ryan was in the hospital dying, one of his last scenes was with Neil, as Ryan wanted Neil to look after Victoria. It wasn't long after that when Heather Tom came in and laid her big head on Ryan's chest, crushing it, and he croaked.

The cause of death has been released. A tragic miscommunication. The actress who plays Traci was asked to go his house and sit with him....

R435 what is cause of death?

Traci sat on him, Rose.

R436, I think R435 is just messing around.

Yum:

Was he drinking Thunderbird or MD 20/20

I heart you, R437.

Where was Dina Bangs Mergeron at the time of death?

[quote]And some of his former co-stars like the boob grabber never even said anything. Shameful.

I thought most of the Y&R cast members hated the boob grabber and he hated them in turn. IIRC, none of them defended him and Josh Morrow tweeted something to the effect that boob grabber should have been fired sooner.

R411 Are you not counting Kate Linder ?!? ... And is Chrissy not counted due to his break?

Yet, Morrow and Muhney got up to all kinds of hijinx backstage. Who remembers that juvenile video they did when they invaded Jeanne Cooper's dressing room using that cardboard prop of her to do a spoof of "Twilight"? I think it was Morrow who had the wig on and played "Bella." I remember George (the gay hairdresser) made some kind of appearance. .. They called it "Twi-Lame." .. It's disappeared from hosting sites.

[quote]He should show us his swollen, circumsized gland for inspection.

R396, you can see Joshua's circumcised cock outline (& balls) in this wet swim trunks photo:

[quote] I would stay off social media for three weeks at least. That's what I'd do if I was Kristoff's colleague. In the old days etiquette demanded a period of mourning.

Good grief, Mary!

Some of you queens think that these stars run their Twitter sites. Some do, but most don't. Tweets are scheduled well in advance.

It's a business. They have to post things to engage followers and keep their face in the public eye. A few days of no posts or nothing "happy" is fine at this point. No one is going to wear a fucking black veil like Scarlett O'Hara for three weeks. Sorry.

[quote] When Austin Peck broke up Terri Conn marriage on ATWT, I guess he converted Conn to find god as well.

Austin was so well hung and such a hot fuck. Terri kept saying "oh God, oh God...." and it just snowballed from there......

Did Mia say whether or not Kristoff was hung?

Austin Peck was definitely quite a hunk.

But the fact that he's a religious fundie (and probably a hard-core Republican) is a turn-off.

I wanna see his wiener, dead or alive

The not 'gay' kiss from Carpool Guy.

And he sure looked good in that square cut swimsuit.

Sorry. It's the best resolution of the movie I can find.

Wow, never saw that before.

R454 It's from a 2005 movie that Wilma Jeanne's son, Corbin Bernsen, did that stars a bunch of daytime soap opera actors, called "Carpool Guy." (I believe it went straight to video.)

Anyway, one of the subplots in the movie has Lauralee Bell's character married to Rick Hearst's character. but she's having an affair with KSJ's character on the side. (That's Lauralee in the pool in the background.) To cover up why the LLB and KSJ characters spend so much time together, he's pretending to be gay. In the scene out by the pool, hubby is confronting his wife about not believing her friend is gay. This leads KSJ;s character to prove it to him by going in for a big kiss and butt grab.

Is that Patrika Darbo at R455?

R456 Yes. Most of the actors in the movie were from daytime.

Wow, Kristoff was sexy there.

Yeah, Kristoff had a nice body and was a good looking man.

I think because Shemar Moore was so ripped and hunky that Kristoff sometimes got overshadowed, but he certainly was above average in the looks department.

I cringed when he added the belly button tat a few years ago, but still very nice.

Les pubes.

Dear God, why'd you have to kill such hot snatch?

I loved it in the mid-to-late '90s when we would get shirtless scenes of Neil, Malcolm, Ryan, Nick, and let's not forget yummy Diego.

I always thought Kristoff was very sexy. I liked that he was muscular and ripped but not overdone. Shemar had a nice body too but I always preferred Kristoff.

R460, did Kristoff really pose for that pic, or is it photoshopped?

Kristoff St. John out as Neil Winters!

R464 Too soon

ca. 1995-96

Kristoff was definitely a handsome man, R466.

As I said above, he got overshadowed by Shemar Moore, but he was just as hot.

I just read an excerpt of Mia St. John's most recent interview.

WTF is wrong with her? She talked to him the morning he died. He was drinking heavily & he was talking out of his head. He told her he was seeing their son. Julian was at the door. Why the Fuck didn't see go over there or call for a welfare check? He was obviously spiraling out & she didn't do jack. He had also sent her a very troubling text that sounding like a goodbye note.

Bitch! Get off the press tour & quit saying everybody else failed him or killed him. Your inaction on the very day he died is what failed him in the end.

R468....WTF is wrong with YOU?? It's sad that this man died. But get a fucking grip!!!

LOL@R469. Thinking that people on the Internet are capable of getting a grip.

R468 Well said! The ex wife is as nuts as the son and KSJ. She sat back and did nothing that day.

R469

How is my post in any way negative towards KSJ? I have all the sympathy in the world for him & hope he's finally at peace.

My post was regarding Mia and the fact that she received that incoherent phone call where he was so out of he was seeing his son in his home. WTF didn't she go over to check on him or call 911 to do a welfare check?

[quote]The other thing I remember about Scott Reeves is how angry he was when he found out his wife Melissa (Days of Our Lives) was fucking another man on that show (Jason Brooks?)

Scott made Melissa confess the affair to their church. I can't stand Scott or Melissa. But, I thought he went a bit too far with the shaming.

R472, I get you; you're not attacking KSJ

I think when people say 'this was my last talk with them before they died' they're assembling the best of all their most recent talks.

My mom is 86, okay health, but her mom died at 86; I can do the math. I say 'I love you' every time I hang up with her (sometimes I get 'yeah, honey, David Muir is on; I gotta go now' and sometimes I get 'I love you, too')

But at her funeral I'm going to say our last words were 'I love you.'

R473 Did someone mention me?

[quote]r24 Vivica and Kristoff during their Generations days.

Thank goodness he was onhand to break up THIS, back in the day!

His younger, natural state, before shaving and tats.

Doug Davidson in his peak days:

Is he buried yet?

Watch The Talk today and see Mel Thomas Scott’s FAKE phoney performance about Kristoff. It’s something.

r479

Why Mr Dahmer why would you want to know that?

The crazy ex-wife will be on Dr. Oz on Wednesday.

What was fake about Melody, R480?

You need to ask r483?

Melody is always fake. The one time I liked her was during the Soap Digest Awards when she rolled her eyes and mouthed "Deidre Hall" when they announced Hall won the award. Hall had her fans stuff the ballots.

I liked Mel when she hosted the off-site goodbye party for John Enos after Hans got him fired because viewers were really getting into Bobby and Nikki.

And not forgetting who this thread is about....

Beauty.

I cry dake tears.

R479 I think so. His ex- with with the daughter they shared put this photo up from the grave site three days ago.

He buried.

Was it suicide?

R491, I don't think the toxicology reports have been released.

The guy was a sweetheart, super nice. And in a lot of pain since his son died.

It could take several months before the toxicology reports are back. LA coroners is notoriously slow at getting results back.

R493 why can the ER do a drug test and have instant results? What is so special about the coroner’s report?

R494 They run a very through panel to catch any potential cause of death and to try to determine if it was accidental or not. In some cases, that is very important in the matter of life insurance claims.

I also wonder if it's because the LA Coroner is dealing with so many high-profile and famous people and therefore need to be extra careful.

R496 I'd tend to think they're even more careful with celeb cases to avoid any mistakes that could cause bad publicity for them or a potential lawsuit.

[quote] The crazy ex-wife will be on Dr. Oz on Wednesday.

Do you want to know a rather bizarre, Y&R-related coincidence about the ex-wife?

Part 1:

I see by her Instagram that she's in some kind of relationship with one Dr. Laurence Rifkin - "celebrity dentist" in Beverly Hills. There are many photos of them out on dates together on his IG as well. This one was taken a few months ago.

Part 2:

So I kept thinking ... "Rifkin .. dentist .. Beverly Hills" .. and I remembered another one name Dr. Robert Rifkin.

Turns out they share an office and are brothers. That's Robert on the right. Photo from last May.

Part 3:

And Robert was Brenda Dickson's first husband, the dentist.

They’re all nuts. Brendad, the ex wife and Kristoff.

R500

That IS weird.

Shame on Dr. Oz! Bringing this nutjob on so soon after her own release from koo koo land. Kristoff and his family, wives, kids were and are all cray cray.

Did y’all listen to crazy ex-wife #1 on Dr Oz? The dizzy bitch didn’t even call 911 when he said that he was seeing his dead son????? She has so much blood on her hands in this mess.

So who was at the KSJ memorial service tribute yesterday?

It was apparently open to the public, but no one did much to get the word out.

r505 it was probably people spouting a lot of nonsense about what a beautiful soul he was... where the fuck were THEY for HIM when he needed it?

Goddard, D-Teflon, Bryton, and Shark Fralick (Larry Warton)

Daughter Lola, the other ex-wife, Alanna, and Shemar.

Goddard, Morrow, Bryton.

Hans.

Gravesite images.

Christ, are they at a memorial or a fucking soap convention?

His son was a 24 yr old meth addict hell bent on suicide.

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MVJ tweeted the memorial video they showed at the service.

It was one of the best I've ever seen. A perfect combo of humor, joy & poignancy.

The bitch Rowell is coming back as herself for a tribute episode at the end of April. They’re copying what JFP did for Jeanne Cooper’s tribute episode where they break the 4th wall and talk as themselves, not their characters. Don’t get excited though. Rest assured this is a one time thing. Will Mel Scott wear her Rowell wig for the episode?

His kid was hideous. I certainly wouldn't kill myself over that mess.

R517, you've crossed the line from pointless bitchery into atrocious sociopathy.

Yeah I F&F and blocked that piece of garbage

Actor Kristoff St. John, best known for his longtime role on “The Young and the Restless,” died from heart disease, with an accidental alcohol overdose as a contributing factor, the Los Angeles County coroner’s office reported Tuesday.

MARY, R518.

Similar remarks have been made about the assholes on Intervention.

LOL at the asshole Serial Scholar being ripped a new one by a former writer at Y&R when Rowell was there. Dumb ass Scholar THINKS he knows everything (he only knows Rowell’s side of the story) and said writer set the asshole straight that there are 2 sides to the Rowell story. If Rowell was indeed the victim, why did all of her lawsuits get thrown out of court? I’m glad the former Y&R writer set the dumb scholar straight.

very sad! the guy drank himself to death!

[quote]died from heart disease, with an accidental alcohol overdose as a contributing factor

So it appears it wasn't deliberate suicide?

Sounds like the drinking exacerbated the heart problem, causing his death. He might not even known about his heart being bad (other than broken from his sons suicide).

You just know Rowell's scenes will be filmed in a separate room a la Suzanne Somers in her last episode on Three's Company.

it sounds like it wasn't deliberate

No longer young, and now, no longer restless either.

Mel Scott has offered to greet Rowell at the studio and welcome her back. Special wig included!

[quote]No longer young, and now, no longer restless either.

You gotta admit -- Bill Bell came up with a great title for the show all those years ago. The Young & the Restless went on to become the #1 soap and has maintained that slot for the past few decades. Putting 'restless' in the title was a masterstroke.

the original title was Young and Restless Years ….

I think that even got out in some publicity material or promos.

R526 I imagine .. lol! .. And I could see them taping these segments with Rowell, Morgan, and Khalil on the day when Y&R itself is dark (that is, if they even do them at the Y&R studio).

died from heart disease, with an accidental alcohol overdose as a contributing factor....

Sounds like an episode of Dr. G

Tom Casiello sure dragged Serial Asshole today. Great soapy drama.

I loved him. Massive penis. Sad.

Y&R writer Natalie Minardi was my Biology lab-mate in high school. We dissected a feral cat together. The day we got him (frozen, with tail curled up between back legs), we started calling him Spike. I don't remember why....(this was long before BTVS). When thawed, and we moved the tail, we discovered that "Spike" was actually a female. But we decided to call her Spike, anyway. She was all black, long haired. Later, we discovered that Spike was pregnant when euthanized, which then made her something of a class "celebrity" because our teacher wanted everyone to come over & look at the kittens in utero.

Anyway....while these discoveries were all terribly interesting (and totally fucking disgusting)...the thing that Natalie & I talked about the most, while dissecting Spike..... was DAYS OF OUR LIVES. LOL! Our conversations usually started, "Did you see DAYS yesterday?!" This would have been 1983-1984, so....it was all about Marlena/Roman, Bo/Hope, early Kim/Shane/Prism storyline.

I hadn't seen nor heard from Natalie since I graduated.....had no idea what had become of her. And then one day in 2014, I had CBS on after watching some local mid-day news. Y&R began...I glanced up....and there was Natalie's name on a title card, writing for Y&R. I laughed out loud, and thought back to our h.s. days.....or course she became a soap writer! So perfect.

[quote]Massive penis.

Link please.

Probably always saw his kid as his little boy.

Though looking back at pics, the son ALWAYS looked depressed as hell.

That's sad r538. Yes, you can see that. Kristoff seemed like such a nice guy. He treated his fans well. I remember he liked a tweet I made in response to a tweet he made about Dru and Neil. I know we all have our own issues but losing a child must be so devastating.

Gay Bryton got an Emmy nom. Nothing for Kristoff.

Bryton is gay?

R540 Kristoff hardly did any episodes last year and had no storyline. Bryton and Mishael I’m sure got in for the Hilary death stuff.

I can't believe MTS wasn't nominated for her powerful acting.

Melody received one nomination about a decade or two ago, but was that the only one?

Mel may not even submit any longer, or Ed may have forgotten to remind her.

Eileen Davidson is PISSED that she was not nominated.

Michelle Stafford will not be blamed for his death, nor should she.

What did Eileen say, R546?

Muhney was not invited to the Kristoff tribute. It’s too bad - Muhney reaches out and touches everyone.

[quote]Michelle Stafford will not be blamed for his death, nor should she.

Why would anyone think Stafford was responsible?

R549 Muhney can't participate because he's too busy desperately trying to secure auditions during the current pilot season for important roles in prime time such as "Gunshot Victim No. 2" and "Older Paramedic (non-speaking)."

It's just a stunt. He'll be back after some plastic surgery.

Justin Hartley was very classy, giving an interview where he says that Adam should he recast. Adam should indeed be recast, with a new actor and not a boob grabber. Hartley was a great recast and the role can be recast yet again.

In: Kimberlin Brown as the new Neil Winters!

So Vicky Rowell taped her scenes. Did Mel greet her with a special wig?

They didn’t ask Muhney back! He so reaches out to his co-stars.

For those who may not watch Y&R regularly, the residents of Genoa City begin to learn of Neil Winters' death this coming Tuesday, April 23. .. The funeral episodes are supposed air over Thursday and Friday. .. And the on-air tribute by cast members talking about KSJ airs Monday, April 29.

In other news, AMEX wants $33K from his estate.

(One of the links there reports that one of the daughter's told the court his net value is estimated at $122K.)

He certainly had his issues.

Don't we all, R559?

None like the craziness he had.

Well, if he truly was bipolar as the ex- (who has her own issues) now says, then that takes things to another level beyond grief-depression over his son's death.

I just can’t with Shemar. His phoniness. Baby gurl, shut the fuck up!!! You are phony! You should have been there for Kristoff. Baby gurl, my ass.

The Baby gurl stuff is definitely overdone.

Particularly since it's widely rumored that Shemar is gay. Pushing 50 and never married, no kids, etc.

Sheeeemar is dumb as dirt.

Well my good lord what a mess Kristoff left behind. Besides his crazy family, now Amex wants their 33,000 and his father and crazy ex are fighting over his tiny estate. What did he do with all of his money? I think he took the easy way out given all the nuttiness in his family. This is better than a soap opera. One flew out of the koo koos nest.

Does Sheemar do the baby gurl schtick to deflect from his gayness?

Shemar just hasn’t found the right woman yet. He’s just like me.

R566 If he really was bipolar (like the ex- says), then wild and reckless spending during manic periods is often a big problem. They even refer to it as "bipolar debt."

I notice on his IG that he bought the Russian model-fiancee a HUGE engagement ring last summer. And it looks like he took her on a first class trip to Moscow over Christmas-New Years. That could be where the AMEX charges come from.

Shame on CBS for trying to capitalize on Kristoff’s death. Trying to gain ratings when they did nothing to help him while he was alive. Shameful.

Still?

R570 Yeah, the timing of the memorial and tribute is an obvious (May sweeps) ratings grab. But as far as not doing anything for ... they gave him all kinds of time off to get his shit together with professionals. Where do you think he was during January? (UCLA Medical Center) .. There's only so much an employer can do when a worker has psych and substance abuse issues (and technically he was contracted with Sony, not CBS).

My net worth is higher than Kristoff's? That's surprising.

R567 & R568, Shemar has denied being gay in the past, but we've been talking about him for years. He was photographed naked at a gay beach a decade ago and claimed he was there with a couple female friends.

He now claims he is dating an actress, but it's certainly interesting that a guy as good looking as him has never been married or fathered a child even though he's almost 50.

Sheeeemar likes the pussy!

r575, Oh heeere we go. The self-hating queer contingent defending the closeted gay. In the words of the late great Katherine Chancellor, "Dear God in heaven."

R576, I think R575 was joking.

Lily's reaction brought tears to my ears.

I'm still dead bitches!

Sad is massive penis is still dead. IT WAS HUGE AND HARD.

I don't believe we've ever seen photos of it, R580.

The comments about his penis are in poor taste, even for DL.

Fat ass frau cunt alert @ r582

Someone fetch Miss R582 her smelling salts, please.

I'm sure he did have a serious case of BBC.

Will he win an Emmy next year?

Doubtful, R586. .. He'd only have three eligible episodes of very minimal material for a reel next year, where he was primarily a talk-to for Dull Devon: 1) reporting on how Lily is doing in prison, 2) conferring on the status of Ana's non-existent "mystery songwriter" being signed to a contract, and 3) attending FenMo's autotune concert at the GCAC.

He didn't look fully black so he may not have had a BBC.

Kristoff, Shemar, Bryton, and Rowell are all biracial. Khalil is multiracial-ethnic.

We've seen Shemar's cock.

Totally vile comments here

R589 really Bryton!?!?! I never knew Kirstoff or Bryton were mixed. Also who is Khalil?

R592 "Khalil" is Crystal Khalil who plays Neil's daughter, "Lily Winters," on Y&R. (Lily is actually Malcolm's bio-daughter, though.)

IRL, she identifies "mixed race," having "an African American, Native American and European American mother and a Pakistani father."

And here's a photo of Bryton with his father, Eric ...

And his mother, Bette ...

Does Bryton still go on the gay websites looking for men?

How do we know he did that, R596?

Jesus. People are tweeting to Kristoff. Do they think he’s reading the tweets??????? SMH.

I thought he died ten years ago? Oh well, I'm over it. Bye.

RIP, Moonboy.

So sad when mocha boys kill themselves.