Inside the mind of Adam LANZA

Parents, snoop into your kids lives. Even if they are older. If they live in your house, go through their shit and make sure you are not housing murderers.

That kid was such a mess.

Amazing that his mother pondered that he might need to learn a 'script' to chat up girls and date. Dumb bitch, no one would have ever dated your hateful, germphobe skeleton son! No one wants freaks like him, no matter what 'script' they memorize.

He just needed an wholesome hobby like shooting lessons down at the gun range to help sort himself out

I read a theory by a pschychologist that Adam Lanza targeted young school children because he was struggling with, and trying to battle, pedophilic impulses. He decided to take his own life because he feared he couldn’t resist them or because of self-hatred. To kill the children was an unforgiveable act of anger. Unforgiveable, but possibly understandable, because to him, they were the reason why he had become something he loathed.

The article was a cautionary tale about how — because of our vitriolic (understandable vitriol, but still, it is vitriolic) rhetoric toward sexual offenders of children — people like Adam Lanza may never feel safe seeking help. They fear opening up to a counselor because they’ll immediately be labeled as evil or have action taken against them immediately. So they bury their feelings inside, do not get treatment, and the feelings fester. And, in a case like Adam, he was so bitter and angry about having to do the “right thing” and kill himself that he took that anger out on his mother, 20 innocent school children, and 6 adults who tried to save those children.

Psychopath

A person can be autistic, a psychopath, and a pedophile, all at the same time. There is no "or".

And R4 creeps the fuck out of me.

I wonder what happened to his brother and father.

these questions have been asked since the san ysidro mass murders and there hasnt never been a reasonable answer to the 'why'.

putting mass murders on front pages of newspapers encourages similar acts, a bitch was just popped in the midst of planning a similar crime. she was corresponding with the terrorist who shot and killed nine christians in their church back in 2015.

in the quest to sell more papers, get the scoop before the competitor the press is complicit in creating infamy for people who were totally ignorable.

nbc raced to air the recorded manifesto they received from the virgina tech killer and it was a hollow, momtone foaming at the mouth raving that made no sense and offered no answer to the why. the virginia tech shooter was 'crazy' but still functioned well enough to address a package, pay for the postage and mail his video in between his shooting .

What mental illness didn't that freak have? Who cares other than to be disappointed his family didn't lock him up. In the Middle Ages he would have been fine securely locked into a room made of stone.

In this family, the father ran away and the mother bought him guns. Nice people!

R1, take it to Fraustein Farms. Do it now.

Yeah well, if there's something incurably wrong with the kid, the father is usually out of there.

So the mothers get stuck with the impossible job of taking care of the "special needs" kid on their own, and they always have trouble... but Nancy Lanza may have done the worst job of single parenting in the history of the world.

R10 True.

I first noticed the Publicity Creates Copycats trend during the Great Carjacking Phenomenon of the early '90s in Washington, DC. It got so bad that the Taking Up a Collection squad in my office took up two collections, one for a victim of a carjacking and another one FOR A CARJACKER.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

STFU, NEWS BITCHES.

R13, Adam’s father was even worse. He got outtta there AND sent the freaky son a check for his birthday with a note to use it to buy guns (and an offer to go shooting together).

Yes, the father checked out and apparently had nothing to do with him. The mother had a son who was severely mentally off so what does she do? Takes up guns as a hobby! WTF? With a kid like that she shouldn't have even had knives in the house. And why did she feel that she needed to have an arsenal of guns in her safe as fuck Beaver Cleaver Connecticut town?

I got a kind of scary message when I clicked on OP's link, like it might be a virus. Did that happen to anyone else?

The New Yorker piece on Lanza’s father by Andrew Solomon is very well written.

Gun Goon, Jr.

The most frustrating thing about the case is that the thing offed his Mama first so we can't take out our appropriate rage on her. She done gone now without any appropriate suffering.

Nancy Lanza: stupidest mother in the history of mothers.

Wonder if the family hadn’t been into guns what AL would have done. I think he would’ve still been obsessed with violence.

kathleen Koenig, a nurse specialist in psychiatry at Yale, gave some follow-up treatment. While seeing her, Adam tried Lexapro, which Fox had prescribed. Nancy reported, “On the third morning he complained of dizziness. By that afternoon he was disoriented, his speech was disjointed, he couldn’t even figure out how to open his cereal box. He was sweating profusely . . . it was actually dripping off his hands. He said he couldn’t think. . . . He was practically vegetative.” Later the same day, she wrote, “He did nothing but sit in his dark room staring at nothing.” Adam stopped taking Lexapro and never took psychotropics again, which worried Koenig.

She wrote, “While Adam likes to believe that he’s completely logical, in fact, he’s not at all, and I’ve called him on it.”

She said he had a biological disorder and needed medication. “I told him he’s living in a box right now, and the box will only get smaller over time if he doesn’t get some treatment.”

Too bad Lanza wasn't seen by a seasoned psychiatrist who would have recognized his psychopathic traits,. Psychiatrist = 4 years of university, 4 years of medical school and 4 years of residency vs 1 year of masters program in nursing.

I think he was seen by a psychiatrist, Yale maybe? He was known to have issues. I recall reading his mother thought his behavior indicated he was highly intelligent. She was told by professionals her son had serious issues.

She refused to continue treatment. For example, if he had a bad reaction to medication, she should have said, ok, let's try another. She did not. She ceded control to Adam. Yeah, she was in denial for a long time. Then she realized he isn't functional. Rather than deal with him, she decided to sell the house and leave him on his own.

My rant: parents who will not listen to criticism about their kids.

Thanks for listening

R26 Thanks for your response.

We say in psychiatry, the apple falls close to the tree, and the rotten apple falls the closest. As you have said, Momma Lanza catered to the whims of her disturbed son in every way, including his unwillingness to take psychiatric medication.

If they ever make a film on Nancy she should totally be portrayed by Joan Cusack.

[quote]He was sweating profusely . . . it was actually dripping off his hands. He said he couldn’t think. . . . He was practically vegetative.” Later the same day, she wrote, “He did nothing but sit in his dark room staring at nothing.”

Oh, so by all means keep some fucking guns in the house with a kid like this! I cannot comprehend what the mother was thinking with the guns when the kid was so obviously mentally ill.

Ole Nance was probably (secrectly) hoping her 'highly intelligent' son would off himself one night after he was done beating his tinymeat, while hating on fat people or humanity, in general. She would then be rid of the massive problem that the little freak was and garner sympathy from the community.

Obviously, Ole Nance was a dumbshit.

IMO,his parents were delusional. His father walked away, and his mother....I mean WTF. She was in denial about the severity of the problem, even leaving him alone on his own while she went away from time to time. I don't give a fuck about what kinds of mental illnesses he had, there is no fucking way he should have ever got near a gun, much less be taught how to use one or lived in a house where guns were kept. Period.

He should have been permanently institutionalized by the time he reached the age of 14. It was more than obvious by then he was not going to get better, that, in fact, he was getting worse and harder to manage. Mother's "plans" to send him away came too late. In fact everything was too little, too late with him. He was in such bad shape if they didn't institutionalize him they ought to have hired a mental health professional to take care of him at home. His mother was in way over her head and refused to see it.

But what he did at that school was simply despicable and his parents must carry the burden of their own complicity. All they thought about was themselves. They had no sense that this kid was a danger to others and they should have. The survivors and parents and families of victims at Sandy Hook were destroyed for ever. That father can hide or change his name, but there is nothing he can do to avoid his share of blame. The brother is also a victim. He's the only one who gets any sympathy at all from me and not very much at that.

Agree, R31. Families of mass shooters always know. They ignore a lot of horrible behavior and make excuses for terrible things for years, before the shooter kills. They are responsible, too, and ought to be held accountable.

Publicly shamed, ostracized, fines, lawsuits, jail time...the works.

The truth people don't want to face it is that these people are not rare at all. Everyone knows a number, and it is merely a matter of chance that most of them do not become Adam Lanzas.

R30 did he really hate fat people?

[quote]He should have been permanently institutionalized by the time he reached the age of 14. It was more than obvious by then he was not going to get better, that, in fact, he was getting worse and harder to manage.

We used to have state-run psychiatric villages in this country, where batshit freaks like him were kept away from society, while still receiving adequate care. In fact, there were two in CT not too far from Newtown. Society at large was much better for it, with the real crazies taken care of in facilities that were designed for them. It's a shame we can't go back to that.

The New Yorker article barely touches on guns! The father seems to be publically washing his hands. I remember originally it was mentioned that both sides came from a strong gun culture in New Hampshire.

This family was awash in armaments. The mentally ill member of the family decided to start a war.

The article seems to have been written by the NRA.

I think he chose an elementary school because he wanted to be notorious, and those victims would garner the most public sympathy and outrage.

The mother was in a no-win situation. She was on her own. It was Adam who refused to have contact with his father and brother. (Interesting that Adam was carrying his brother's ID at the time of the crime; perhaps trying to implicate him by association?) They symptoms likely came on slowly and gradually, and Nancy accepted them. She probably thought it was a phase, and teenagers are expected to be difficult. There was no indication (at the time) that Adam would have done something so violent. And you can't have a kid or an adult placed in an institution because of "what he might do". It's nearly impossible to place a clearly psychotic schizophrenic patient in a facility if they haven't hurt themselves or others.

There are simply no resources for parents in this situation. At his age, she couldn't force him do anything. She could have kicked him out of her house. And cruel comments like R3 don't help someone who already feels disconnected from society.

R37 she told friends and medical professionals in the months leading up to the shootings, that she was considering putting him in a "special school" or hospital like environment because she could no longer control him. She kept putting it off, but was finally determined to do it probably within a year. So she was aware that he was a problem. As for the father, I read a lot of stuff about this after it happened, and it seemed like his mother was deliberately pushing other family members away, and sort of "hoarding" him, trying to control his relationships and exposure and control his environment.

I know at one point his father expressed frustration because Adam's mother was so totally absorbed with Adam she destroyed their marriage and any hope of him having a relationship with his son. In hindsight, it's too bad he didn't take her to court and fight her, and insist that something be done. This was his son after all. I have to wonder if the possibility of being hospitalized in a "special school" was the immediate trigger for him. Maybe she thought she was "preparing him" and he went over the edge. I haven't been around too many people with mental conditions, except for autism and Alzheimer's. I do know that change or the possibility of change is very upsetting to people with a mental health condition. They will resist it, fight it, and become very agitated by it. I found it interesting that his mother was the first person he killed. Shot her in the face, too. While she slept. He was angry.

He killed his former teacher first.

" And you can't have a kid or an adult placed in an institution because of "what he might do". "

As I keep telling you on these mass shooter threads, psychiatric medicine can't protect society from these freaks, not with the current laws in place. People can't be held against their will in mental hospital if they're together enough to say "I don't intend to kill myself or anyone else, and sure I'll take my medicine when I'm discharged".

So psychiatrists can't hold people against their will because of what they might do, they can't help someone who doesn't want to get better, they can't make rage or pure fucking evil go away.

The million dollar question is why does American society produce so many of these freaks? For a developed society, the number of mentally ill seems disproportionate. I think it's something in our culture.

No, there aren't more crazy people in the US than other places. It's just that there are MORE FUCKING GUNS. Take away the guns? Problem solved.

MERICA!!!!!!

20 six year olds blown away, and nothing changed

When Adam was a teen and showed definite signs and was under treatment, his parents had the ability to place him as a minor child, in an institutional setting. They had the option of getting him the help and support he needed. Instead they bought him guns and took him to the shooting range.

Because that is what one does.

Makes sense. When the shooting first happened, he tried and failed to destroy a computer hard drive which the authorities recovered. It was never revealed what was on there.

Isn't it normal in this country to buy firearms for all young men with mental/emotional problems? They sure seem to have easy access to them somehow....

I wonder if his mother woke up before he shot her. I wonder how much she kept hidden about his behavior. She had to know or at least sense he was dangerous.

They also quickly cleansed the Vegas Mass Murderer’s computer which was filled with all this right wing hate!

Lanza also wrote that he hated “fat people,” but it appeared that no one who ate a meal every day would have escaped his wrath.

Lanza himself was malnourished and emaciated when he carried out the shootings, according to Dr. H. Wayne Carver III, the former chief state medical examiner in Connecticut who conducted the autopsy.

Schwartz said Lanza may have been starving himself and that his anorexia probably was hastening his mental as well as physical deterioration.

Adam Lanza is yet another reason I’m absolutely baffled by people (especially women) desperate to have kids.

When you give birth to a dud like Adam Lanza, you are saddled with him and his problems FOR LIFE. Nancy couldn’t just hustle on out of there like like daddy Peter (who funded the entire family’s gun obsession, as Nancy’s unpaid “job” was to deal with Adam).

Yes, yes, yes, she was completely batshit. But who wouldn’t be if you were saddled with a person who can never be helped and whose problems demand all of your attention. And as much as our culture hates to admit it, some people are beyond help and need to be locked up for everyone else’s sake. Had Fairfield Hills mental hospital in Newtown not been shuttered, that’s where he would and should have been.

And that Peter Lanza article is a piece of PR bullshit in which he tries to paint himself as a victim. Sit down and shut up, Peter. EVERYONE in Adam’s orbit (except you, apparently) could see from a mile away that Adam was a complete lunatic.

R51 I agree with you. It would help a great deal if it were legal and socially acceptable to institutionalize severely mentally ill young people. But our culture encourages parents to be as self sacrificing as possible ,even when that approach does NOT necessarily help their children. On a related note, I highly recommend the film We Need to Talk About Kevin for a chilling take on this very subject. It stars Tilda Swinton as the increasingly trapped mother and DL fave Ezra Miller as her unhinged son.

R12♡ Fraustein Farms! Perfect🔟

That's it! Just pictured an overweight no job hausfrau going through her kid's mattress and nightstand while he's at hockey scrimmage during commercials of Bert Convy's Matchgame featuring Charles Nelson Riley

Another Asperger shooter.

R51, it was you! Had me laughing for days when you used the term "dud" to describe that missing autistic kid in the park months ago. Sorry for laughing but that dud comment has been coined and confiscated by myself and everyone in my life.

Wonder if it was you also back in January suggesting a bathtub accident while you were "distracted" on a phone call. Describing your worst nightmare as a 300 lb. retard who needs to be cobbled overnight.

YOU or whoever wrote that was the hit of our dinner party. Brought people to tears😂 Brought DL a bunch of new members so I have to be careful here as not so anonymous anymore.

Can't find that thread and I bookmarked it😍

Oh R51 🛀♥ writes:

-When you give birth to a dud" 😂 Forgive any past transgressions I may have aimed at you. Come for Christmas

To all of you suggesting institutionalization would have helped prevent the massacre - it is like you have forgotten the very powerful de-institutionalization movement beginning in the late 60's. Long before powerful assault rifles became available to kooks, we decided that the mentally ill did not deserve to have their civil rights taken away.

Placing psychiatric patients on holds is the number one reason for malpractice suits against psychiatrists. We must be very careful before placing someone on a hold, or risk losing our licenses and livelihood. We are not fortune tellers. We rely on info from family (if available). But we must weigh the facts and clinical presentation. A sullen but not agitated patient who is not endorsing plans to kill others and not demonstrating signs of psychosis - tough call.

Do you know how hard it is to get insurance to pay for psychiatric hospitalization longer than 72 hours (time of a hold/aka 5150)?? Who or What would have paid for an extended "institutionalization" for Lanza?

Do you understand that every adult psychiatric patient on a hold can request a court hearing, and that judges lean towards stopping the holds to prevent the taking away of civil rights....

There are very few institutions available for adult mentally ill to live in. I am a psychiatrist in NY, and I have had patients wait up to 6 months (inpatient) for a placement at a state hospital. And these are really sick people, most who are well known to the state hospital system, and most have already spent time in jails/prisons.

Finally, do you think that gobs of people are applying for jobs in the few state institutions left? I wouldn't set foot in any of these places - I enjoy having my cranium intact and limbs in place. The forensic psychiatric hospital in NY offers a starting salary of $320,000 and they can't find doctors willing to work there. I was badly assaulted at a major ER already. I'll pass.

R57, FOAD ...

You are quite a twit, R57. Are you a shrink? Dumb shrink. Nobody forgot about civil rights and deinstitutionalization. People wonder if all that was in some respects, NOT A GOOD IDEA. Yes, deny the civil rights of sociopaths. Sometimes even POTENTIAL murderers. Because maybe ADAM would have been better off in a protected environment with MULTIPLE staff members and patients in regular contact. Not isolated with MOM who was not a mental health professional, at all.

Sheesh, Idiot.

Good comment R57

Which state forensic hospital do you work at?

Or you volunteer at the local mental health court?

Waiting with baited breath for our Citizen of the Year to respond as to how he/she improves the lives of the mentally ill.

r57 is autistic or hates the second amendment period.

R57, thanks for the perspective. Is it all about civil rights, though? I think it's about federal money and keeping taxes lower. For a long time, we've expected families to just deal with their kids who have issues. Now we're seeing what happens when we don't give these families the support and resources they need.

R61 is lashing out because he has bad memories from the last time he was admitted.

MORE MONEY TO THE .1%. Wake up Americans. Other rich countries actually provide HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES for crissakes.

R64- lives in Sweden right?

Switzerland.

Listen, Europe is feeling the pinch on social welfare states. But Obama's lasted not even 8 years and now it's in the shitter.

By the way, I think many families DO manage to keep their little monsters from becoming killers. But some cannot. That shitty little INCEL drive by shooter in LA comes to mind, as well. No excuse for that shit.

Europe is so fornicated with their multiculturalism. r66

What has multiculturalism got to do with this? I have friends with problem kids. You cannot believe the services and support that are available. Though even here one must fight. Also, protected living is going strong - so between hospital and private. Adam might have been better off in protected living for autists for example. I know some of the guys in the one down the street. They've been there for decades. After awhile they notice you and if you respond to them the two parties can kind of maintain a "neighborly" relationship. I'm not the only one who knows some by name. They have full-time staffs. Its the isolation and lack off structure that pushes the borderline into the criminal. You don't need to be a 350K mental hospital shrink to know this.

R40 is correct. R52, thanks for that. Can I access it on Hulu or Netflix? Wanna watch it tonight as I rest from a cold/allergies. Wanted to say that yes, our society values children highly. We've made another broad jump equivalent to the post industrial age labor laws. The Satanic child sacrifice witchunt of the 80s et. al.. but because of the sins of the past involving involuntary institutionalization that whole Reagan era shuttering slid right on through WITHOUT a back up safety net. Introduction of new psychiatric drugs actually shifted the burden of these duds onto our citizenry. Remember those people along with Ron are all pretty much dead now. I know this from personal experience. As a child the old people used to warn family members with this line: He better be careful or they're gonna put him away somewhere". The fear people of yore had instilled in them was to watch their steps or they would be admitted to one of these behemoth state mental hospitals and never see the light of day again. Women in menopause feared such a fate. The shenanigans and abused heaped upon these poor patients was starting to leak out. Tales of horror worldwide but especially in the US. ESPECIALLY here in my neck of the woods. Had a personal experience unwittingly about twenty some odd years ago while dirtbike riding on the grounds of a defunct institution with my cousins out east.

Patient rights has gone too far but needed to be put into place due to unscrupulous psychiatric staff. Like our police force today the psych industry attracted mostly dangerous predators like moths to a flame. Abuse by American police occurring today in 2019 no less will be a bad memory our progeny will reflect back on with souvenir statements like "now this was back then when anyone could become a cop". Count on it.

Don't stand near the platform while waiting for your train. Promise me.

More neutral people around them, professionals, and different people. Here in Switzerland they can even get laid, on the state tab.

[quote]Lanza also wrote that he hated “fat people."

DLIT.

You know what? I have very limited sympathy for these families. They know something is wrong with the kid and they are more worried about 'what will people think' if they take drastic measures.

My son was happy in school, switched schools due to a move and was viciously bullied at his new school. by the time things settled down he had behavioral issues. aaaand puberty kicked in at the same time. no father in the picture - my kid was exhibiting future antisocial behavior and mental health issues.

I intentionally had him arrested and put into state custody with the prearranged agreement that he would go to an intensive, live in year round camp. I did a ton of research and couldn't afford the place so I found a way to make it happen.

People in my life (not close friends, but coworkers and casual acquaintances) were HORRIFIED. 'how could you do that, he's your son?' at the same time talking behind my back that I needed to control him.

A year later he graduated from the program, went back to school and is now successful and happy and emotionally healthy in life all these years later. he's thanked me because he also (retrospectively) could see him having done something terrible, whether to himself or otherwise.

They're your kids. your 'what will people think' needs to piss off for these families.

You're a g-d HERO parent, R72. Seriously. Thank you for actually doing what should have been done, to save your kid AND other people!

R69 here. Looks like while I was busy replying I unwittingly called you out R57. You should have shot a little lower with feigning psychiatric nurse practitioner because fronting on datalounge will end with you sending bubbles up to the surface bottomed in the deep end.

And we'll enjoy every moment of watching you drown yourself from our view, sipping cocktails, sharing a BH ultra light while perched on the diving board.

Hunting pathological liars here is a DL sport. A datalounge art form.

Cut the crap, Clementine

R74- rocks!!

well, it's what he deserved, he's a good kid. parents have literally one job.

I don't know if anyone pieced this together with the new info out there released recently but did read that he made a beeline for and shot his former long term teacher. Seems he went there gunning exclusively for her. SHE was the one who worked one on one with Nancy Lanza. Found this in an old article

-"In the face of disabilities that were so significant as to apparently justify [Adam's] lack of attendance for the entire school year it does not appear that anyone questioned why, if he was so debilitated, he was never hospitalized or referred for specialized educational placement," the report said. "On a number of levels and on numerous occasions, the district did not follow appropriate procedures, monitor [Adam's] individual education plan … for goals and objectives, or document attempts to follow up with providers or the family regarding psychiatric or pediatric care."

It all fits now

High functioning autistics get away with a lot of shit. But not for long.

R69 Unfortunately, I don't think it's on Netflix but it is available on Amazon video. I believe google play as well. Very disturbing and thought provoking film.

Die frau von Fraustein Fischzucht all over the Shannon/Chris Watts thread accusing SW of Munchausens would have an absolute field day here with this tasty morsel. Wo sind sie?

Link @R77

-Nancy developed a preoccupation with her own health, telling friends in emails that she suffered from a potentially terminal disease and that she did not have long to live. She said she worried about the future of Adam and his older brother, Ryan.

But the authors, in investigating her medical records, found no evidence that Nancy was suffering from a terminal illness. "

I mean, she did have a terminal disease...her son.

Ronald Reagan was responsible for dismantling the fragile mental heath system, group homes, and mental institutions in this country. More than 70% of the homeless people in our communities in the late 80's and 90's were wandering mentally ill people who had been de-institutionalized and were wait-listed in some cases for group homes. Our community mental health system was totally undermined by Reagan and the Republican governors.

Whenever I read an indictment of Reagan like the one r82 has generously shared with us, just for that one small moment, I hope the Catholics are right.

[quote] 1 year of masters program in nursing.

Huh?

I did 4 years undergraduate, 2 years graduate school and then a 13 month full time certification course at university. That’s 7 years and I was working the whole time

[quote] Waiting with baited breath

Oh, dear

Why thank you, R75.

I revel in the datalounge site wide sport of calling out frauds and phonies. Highest elevation of the art form is practiced here. Be warned trolls.

A self member moderating anonymous global forum without an agenda is a consecrated gift, a haven to many souls. Depraved disenfranchised predators with emotional problems think nothing of injecting themselves into the online lives of people seeking to fratenize with other open minded genuine cats. To the demented this space is often utilized as their playground but to those of us looking for a port in an online storm the DL represents hallowed ground. Dare break this sacred, contractional agreement dear trolls and watch your playground morph into a hunting ground.

Lifeguards Off Duty

Right into the foaming brine!

I said above that psychiatry can't save society from the danger of nuts with guns, and "psychiatrists can't hold people against their will because of what they might do, they can't help someone who doesn't want to get better, they can't make rage or pure fucking evil go away. "

Really, they can't make rage or pathological hatred go away, not if the angry person doesn't want to let the rage go, and some people do NOT want to let the anger go. You see, life is simple and understandable when you hate someone and blame them for all your problems, in that state of mind nothing is your fault and you never have to question yourself, because you're the good person fighting eeeeevil and that means you expect to be forgiven everything because your cause is righteous. There's a feeling of power and certainty in anger that people don't want to let go of, and if that person is sent to a psychiatrist then the psychiatrist won't be able to talk them out of the anger if they don't want to. And they don't want to, because without it they're horribly vulnerable, insecure, and helpless.

America is overwhelmed with anger, there are entire demographic groups whose entire world view is based on anger, and there are huge propaganda machines at work devoted to fomenting widespread anger, because it makes masses of people so fucking easy to manipulate. So it's not just the nutballs who embrace the feeling of being angry because it makes them feel powerful and righteous, it's millions of people. What can a shrink do about that!

R37 of course there are resources for these parents in the US. Resources left and right. Where do you think my highest in nation property taxes are going? I'll tell ya. My exorbitant tax bills fund the public school budget that allows the genetically disastered dud spawn of two losers who had no business procreating their human pollution and then being allowed to integrate said junk onto productive parent's progeny.

I don't care who this above comment hurts. We're paying our government, no...HIRING our government to protect us and we can't step out in public wondering if today will be the day our lives are turned upside down or stolen from us? Fear and dread to tune into our American news? Fear of calling the police in a dire emergency?

How does Canada pull it off? How has Canada managed to make us seem a second world nation in comparison? How has Canada managed to view us like we view Mexico?

Black straight up espresso served in a big gulp sized container for every adult American. To go.

DL, hold our baby. R87..bitch you better brace yourself because we're about fixin' to slap that empty head of yours like a beach ball right back into the shallow end where it belongs.

Don't talk. Just listen

From the time he was a child, 3 yrs old, they knew Adam was mentally ill. It was not a matter of him, as an adult"not wanting to get better." He didn't know what better was. Outwardly he seemed to possess the ability to do what other people did, but he was never normal, and he never had a choice to be normal. By the time he'd reached early adolescence it was pretty clear he had deficiencies. His brain didn't function normally. It's too bad he killed himself in the way that he did. I would bet if they were able to do some kind of autopsy of how his brain functioned it would have been pretty shocking. I'm sorry, but I am placing the main burden on his Mother because she was his primary caregiver. Yes his father walked away and you can talk about what a terrible father he was, but his mother was there with him every day, and she knew as did his father,. The articles I've read say Adam spend the equivalent of 17 years under treatment. I have to believe his mother thought she could handle it, fix it, work with it, and was in deep denial about what he needed. When I think about the guns it sends me over the edge. How could they? Knowing what they knew, how could they? She deluded herself thinking he wasn't violent. She went shooting with him. She knew.

Both parents are probably aspies. These people find each other.

LOL, this freaks mother thought that he would go to college AND DATE, FFS. So, I guess she hoped she could pawn his mentally ill, hateful ass onto some poor girl (she assumed he'd date a girl) who he would probably just have harassed, stalked and killed, too.

The mom was definitely a delusional freak, too, and not just for giving Freak, Jr access to firearms.

Mentally ill people shouldn't reproduce.

I don’t think he was autistic. I think he was schizophrenic with obsessive compulsive features. Treatment has poor outcome. People would rather their kids have a diagnosis of autism than schizophrenia, because autism is trendy, while schizophrenia is scary. I have no doubt Nancy Lanza went online and cherry picked symptoms of autism so her son would get that label, rather than a label of psychosis.

R93 he had a whole menu of mental disorders and I believe many of them would have been physically present if they'd had an opportunity to make a forensic evaluation but he blew his brains out.

A poster above had an interesting theory that Old Nancy kept guns in the house because she secretly hoped the damaged goods kid would off himself, thus relieving her of a lifetime burden. Well, that sure did backfire.

R95, considering how much time and effort “Old Nancy” invested in trying to fix her unfixable kid over the years, I highly doubt that theory.

Dad, on the other hand, couldn’t get away from the kid fast enough. And he funded the gun obsession.

Its funny how the dads are always the ones who bail and start anew, often pretending their OG families (and their problems) never existed, but the violence that comes from the broken homes are never expressed onto good old Pops.

Mommy? Oh my, yes. Girlfriend/wife/ex? Hell, yeah. Co-workers and other bystanders? Yep.

Hardly ever do these freaks go after their loser dads who abandoned them like an empty coke bottle they took a piss in, and were too lazy to put in a trash can.

The New Yorker article is very good; I didn't expect to feel sympathy for the guy - I figured he just got remarried & decided he was done with his crazy ex wife & weirdo son and while we certainly don't have her perspective, it seems like he tried, though clearly not hard enough.

I work with a guy whose ex-wife takes care of his special needs son & he gives her whatever she wants I think out of guilt more than anything, because she carries the burden for them both. Maybe that's why the guy was hesitant to cross his ex - for fear that she'd dump the kid on his doorstep one day & it it'd be HIS burden.

I get that the mother tried to get him help & coming from a rural area myself, I can see having hunting rifles or even a hand gun if you need you feel you need protection but assault weapons? Even if you didn't know the kid was as bad as he turned out to be, he CLEARLY had mental problems. Maybe she really *did* have a death wish for one or both of them.

Anyway, I thought the article was very well done. For obvious reasons, the families of kids who do this shit get vilified, but it's not to hard imagine that some families genuinely tried to help their kid only to tragically the kid was far more troubled than they ever imagined.

"I figured he just got remarried & decided he was done with his crazy ex wife & weirdo son and while we certainly don't have her perspective, it seems like he tried, though clearly not hard enough. "

Oh yes, he undoubtedly told Nancy that she was doing everything wrong.

But he didn't offer to have Adam live with him, did he.

I think Nancy Lanza is the most unsympathetic of any mass shooter parent. He was a timebomb and she was just splashing gas at him.