The Making of a Murder, Part 2 documentary

I'm watching it.

Of course it can't match season 1 since at the time it was a case no one had heard of and everything was new and shocking to us, but it is still really intriguing.

This season does a great job of showcasing how hard it is to get someone released from prison. Amazing that Kathleen Zellner has managed to do it 19 times. It's fascinating watching her try to figure out what actually happened to Teresa Halbech. Even if you are one of those people who still think Avery is guilty (I'm not), it is obvious we have idea what actually happened. Even season 1 already highlighted how the state's theory of what happened is ludicrous.

The fact that the town was being fined millions of dollars for falsely arresting and imprisoning the man gave the police a huge motive to get rid of him

I think it's THE MAKING OF A MURDERer, O.P.. And I have been waiting for someone to determine the presence of preservative in the blood found in the back of the car. The implication of that would be obvious.

I also think Law Enforcement honestly believed he was guilty r2, so they didn't think it was wrong to make the evidence "fit"

Why is r1 FFed out? There is nothing wrong with that comment.

I cannot believe what has gone on with Brendan and the appeals process. It was absolutely insane. What the hell is wrong with those 4 judges who voted against him at the federal level? And the other 3 saw the situation as clear as day. Such a bizarre world we live in. I cannot believe anyone thinks Brendan is guilty. I wish the Northwestern lawyer answered back in the way that Kathleen said she should have - by explaining WHY they "needed two murderers" - I think she got a little flustered and just went back to legal technicalities.

I love watching Kathleen and all of her experiments and slow methodical take-down of Wisconsin's corruption.

Yes, watching Brendan Dassey continue to rot in prison is heartbreaking.

Bobby Dasseys violent and pedophilic porn is definitely a red flag, and it is amazing how Kratz went out of his way to cover it up. He knew how bad it made Dassey look.

The day planner is a smoking gun, that combined with the witnesses testimony about the car make it clear that people had access to the car before it was "found". That reveal was brilliant work by Zellners team.

I wonder if Brendan Dassey isn't exactly where he belongs, despite the way he was "fed" some details during his confession. What if his OWN detail was accurate because he WAS there---but it wasn't Steven he assisted, it was his sexual psychopath brother Bobby.

What detail was accurate...? Nothing about Brendan's story makes sense, that is why prosecution didn't even bother introducing it at Steven's trial.

And he had been involved with Bobby he would have mentioned it. He is a simple fellow, he has been very consistent on what he did that day other than the one story the cops got out of him.

Kathleen Zellner is answering questions on twitter. She responded that as of now Bob Dassey is still her number one suspect for who murdered Teresa. She also says his cell records contradict his account of going hunting.

When watching Brendan’s interrogation, it’s so obvious that each answer was first fed to him by the interrogators.

What a curious case. Wisconsin should be embarrassed.

It really is r11. The story of her being handcuffed to the bed, raped, stabbed there and then shot multiple times in the garage is clearly not true. Blatantly not true.

Don't know what happened, but I know that didn't happen.

I was blown away by the first season...until I came across an entire subreddit devoted to critiquing it. I came to believe this so-called documentary (made by non-journalists) is so slanted that it's just plain irresponsible. Is the second season less biased?

The second season is more "biased" r13. This doesn't pretend to an an unbiased project, their perspective on the case is very upfront.

Also I swear that subreddit has some of the people highlighted in the case. I was just going investigating after the new season and I saw how there are a handful of posters who have been posting every day for months if not years on end attacking anyone who questions the states narrative. I was wondering which one was Ken Kratzs account lol.

Well that is very possible, R14! It must have been a year ago that I was reading that sub so I can't cite anything specific, just that there were a lot of observations and excellent questions and counterarguments that reframed the show for me.

Don't know why you put biased in scare quotes. Sure, no one is truly objective, but it seems the filmmakers decided on a narrative and are flogging it truth be damned. It bothers me that something gets labeled a documentary, suggesting some kind of investigative rigor and journalistic integrity, when it's ultimately more a sensationalist editorial than a piece of reporting.

These documentaries aren’t very good if the subject is guilty.

Steven is guilty but Brendan, yeah, I'm not sure. The second season is like Serial's second - sophomore slump. Oh well.

I’d forgotten what a hell hole Manitowac is... even more so now with the perspective that it’s Trump country. I’d forgotten what a sniveling potato head Katz is. And all those dumb, narrow-minded whities including the Averys: I’d rather be dead than live in that place. Watching the slack-jawed parents is fucking bleak. I wish someone had thought to help memaw Avery shave her mustache. Zellner is the one bright light in S2. I hope she burns the whole place down (metaphorically).

some reading material

Your link did not work r19.

Yep r18, the view into what life is like in these rural flyover towns is pretty fascinating. As someone that has only lived in cities, I couldn't even imagine living there.

Zellner is driving a Mack truck through the state’s case. Avery was so obviously framed

The mom is so sweet. They took her boy. AGAIN!

Why would anybody question the fact that he was framed when it happened 18 years earlier.

I thought the Coroner's interview was pretty damning. And Krantz is so completely sleazy. Love Kellner. She's amazing. I found the 2nd season to be excellent but so frustrating and depressing. A microcosm of what's happening on a federal level.

The waxy substance on the bullet was chapstick. The cotton fibers were the swab used to apply it.

What more is needed?

I think in Wisconsin, R25, there could be actual footage of someone else killing her, and State attorneys and judges would still work to keep Avery (well, both of them) in jail.

Well imagine the fall out if it is determined in court that cops planted evidence and Brendan Dassey and Steven Avery were unfairly imprisoned r26. People fired, all their cases would have to be reviewed for legitimacy, and the financial windfall for Brendan and Steven would be huge. If this narrative is true it would destroy them.

Those who think Avery is guilty - why do you think so? I've read some things, but nothing completely convincing.

The last episode totally convinced me Steven was framed. Cut human bones found in exactly the areas that fit into Steven’ lawywer’s version of the murder? The victim’s log. The CD of prob images withheld from defense. And on and on.

He needs are new trial

Making a Murderer is great advocacy art, but it's so far from objective that it's hard to believe much of it.

R30 have you watched the sequel of the series yet? The new lawyer does a pretty amazing job of ripping the prosecution’s story completely apart

Wisconsin got a new governor. Did they get new judges? Maybe they have a chance now.

WI is so corrupt, I thought for a second that they were filming in Louisiana.

They have a new governor and a new attorney general.

Bumping because I just finish It. Much new stuff here that I’m not sure what to think.

I was fascinated by Kathleen Zellner - tough and smart lady, but her hair, face, nails and voice - she’s quite a character.

Does anyone know why Zellner’s tweets are always retweeting or hash tagging that horrible Trump cult follower Michelle Malkin? It would sadden me to learn that Zellner is a conservative Republican - she’s way too smart for that.

I guess the latest is the judge didn't think the Bobby's computer was a Brady violation despite it being CLEARLY labeled Brendan's computer... It really does look like they don't want to be embarrassed