Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees.

Devo, Todd Rungren, Def Leppard, LL Cool J, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music, John Prine, Kraftwerk, MC5, the Cure, Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, and The Zombies.

As if Janet Jackson will ever win a place. Isn't this the third or fourth time she's tried now?

FFS - she can barely sing.

Is Tina in without Ike?

Nice to see The Zombies nominated. I believe this was their first hit in the early/mid-60s. Timeless bit of music.

How many of the 15 nominees are inducted?

Actually, 'Time of the Season' was the Zombies last hit and didn't become a hit until after the band had broken up. Awesome tune.

5 or 6, R5.

R6, thanks for the correction. Must've been bittersweet for them having a hit after they'd broken up.

One of Stevie Nicks' best.

Todd Rundgren's fun jam.

My year! My year! My year!

DEFINITELY: Todd Rungren, Roxy Music, John Prine, Radiohead

MAYBE:Devo, Kraftwerk, the Cure, The Zombies.

NO WAY BABY: Def Leppard, LL Cool J, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, MC5, Rage Against the Machine, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Is George Michael nominated or not?

All they do is regurg the same people over and over. And I thought that no one cares about this. Eventually, everyone will be in it. Yawn.

But Black Cat ROCKS!

There used to be (maybe still) a rule that after a certain number of nominations (5?), that an artist gets inducted. So if not this year, likely another nomination or 2 will get Janet into the hall.

R12 . Ignorant knave ! The Zombies deserve to be first in line for the superior artistic integrity and for having waited the longest while so many of their inferiors have been inducted. Stand aside and bow your head in shame.

My favorite Zombies song, "Walking in the Sun," from 1968's Odessey and Oracle LP.

The RRHF has become meaningless.

Tell that to Chic (R16).

And Boz Scaggs keeps getting ignored.

[R13] No that's why Janet's up there. She like that block that keeps others from either getting a nomination or getting voted in. She was up for a nomination twice when Depeche Mode was up for a nomination. Now the Darby had George getting the nomination here her blocking ass is on the list. If she gets in I will be surprise because that would mean that Joe Jackson created two hALL OF fAMERS I don't see that happening'

Devo and The Cure: groundbreaking acts

Tell me something good: Funkiest groove on the planet.

Chaka Khan and/or Rufus & Chaka Khan have been nominated like 10 times.

Just let everyone in and get it over.

Devo? Um, no.

Agree on Devo. Time has not been kind to their music.

Surprised that Bon Jovi got in before Def Leppard. But that's likely more about who let Jann Wenner blow them and who didn't.

Devo are new wave pioneers. Stevie Nicks the solo artist is quite deserving.

Todd Rundgren should have been in LONG ago, not only as a musician/performer/writer, but also for his production work

Feels very lackluster. So many repeat nominees who are becoming stale and the new nominees aren't exactly thrilling either.

I guess I'd pick Rufus & Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Roxy Music, and Janet Jackson. But most likely none of them will get in....

LL can suck my asshole!

And still CHIC in not inducted. They actually change music.

[quote]LL can suck my asshole!

Lindsay Lohan?

No, r33, Nile Rodgers actually change (d) music. He's already in the Hall, they don't need to also induct the musicians he hired for those CHIC albums.

We've been getting repeat nominees every year since the music industry hasn't been producing many Hall of Fame worthy artists for several decades now.

Are they going to have confirmation hearings?

Isn’t Radiohead considered the last great rock band? Next year’s nominees will be all that mid-90s stuff like Bush and Soundgarden and Alice In Chains.

To be followed by the late-90s stuff: Limp Bizkit, KoRn, Marilyn Manson, Creed, etc.

The RRHOF is a terrible organization. The museum itself sucks donkey balls.

Newly eligible acts that did not make the cut:

Beck, Dave Matthews Band, Blink-182, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Jeff Buckley, Outkast, Sheryl Crow, Snoop Doggy Dogg

Janet has only been nominated once before. This is her 2nd (and she still ain't gettin' in.)

I predict: Todd Rundgren, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Roxy Music, and if they need a black, LL Cool J or Rufus and Chaka Khan.

Chic will never get in. They solved that problem with tossing in Nile Rodgers as a non-performing (i.e. writing and producing) member. And really, it makes sense. Chic would have been nothing without Nile. But then again, there are a lot of doo wop and girl groups in the HoF who would have been nothing without their songwriters and producers.

^^ sorry, meant to say if they need a black act

'Time of the Season' will sound cool forever.

Ohhh. I haven't listened to Kraftwerk in ages.....

MC5 and Radiohead both are locks - or should be.

Kraftwerk and The Cure should be in too.

It's about time Roxy Music was nominated.

They, including Eno, should've been inducted long before half of the artists already in.

Janet deserves to be inducted someday, but to induct her before Chaka Khan would be crime against humanity.

Janet deserves nothing... except scorn.

r35,

Radiohead deserves it for the shifts and creative leaps that “The Bends”, “OK Computer” and “Kid A” represented alone.

I'm assuming the Connie Francis troll is under heavy sedation and on suicide watch.

Kid Rock needs it

Sonny and Cher should have been inducted years ago.

[quote]Janet has only been nominated once before.

Wrong. She was nominated in 2016 and 2017. Do some fact checking next time.

It doesn’t matter she’ll lose again

My mistake, I thought the last time she was nominated that somehow Gabourey Sidibe had been a musician before she played Precious.

I can't imagine why Chic is nominated.

Nile Rodgers has had a tremendous influence on a generation of musicians, and I loved Chic's music, but I can't see them as being consider a HOF type of band.

The other issue is that until there's a real reckoning about the deep homophobia and racism behind disco's backlash, there will be no reconciliation or any room to put Chic in a spotlight like that.

deep homophobia and racism I guess that's why they omit George Michael.

I figured with the Kavanaugh hearings and Me Too that they would have put more female artists on the ballot.

An all (or almost all) female ballot would help eliminate the enormous gender gap in the Hall, and it wouldn't be that hard to accomplish with all of the following as deserving nominees:

The Go-Go's, Pat Benatar, Tina Turner as a solo act, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Lesley Gore, Carly Simon, Labelle, Carole King (who is only in as a songwriter), The Bangles, Kate Bush, Tracy Chapman, Sinead O'Connor, Eurythmics, B-52s, Dionne Warwick, Melissa Etheridge, Janet Jackson, Cyndi Lauper, Stevie Nicks as a solo act, Patsy Cline, The Shangri-Las, Diana Ross as a solo act, The Indigo Girls, Peter, Paul & Mary and Sonny & Cher.

R58 Yes homophobia and racism and also c*nt Fadi ruining George's legacy and image

I can understand some of those others waiting their turn, but how in the world can they NOT have: Sonny & Cher, Peter, Paul & Mary, Lesley Gore, Carole King, Dionne Warwick, Diana Ross and Tina Turner???

[quote] No, [R33], Nile Rodgers actually change (d) music. He's already in the Hall, they don't need to also induct the musicians he hired for those CHIC albums.

Bernard Edwards (bass) and Tony Thompson (drums) were one of the best rhythm sections in popular music. They were not musicians for hire, they were Rodgers' collaborators. They both died prematurely. Bernard Edwards had great success as a producer just like Nile Rodgers. CHIC deserves to be in the HOF.

And yet there is still absolutely zero percentage chance that CHIC will be inducted into the Hall this year.

I feel like at this point they're trolling both Chaka Khan and Janet Jackson at this point since this isn't the first time they've been nominated together (I believe the first was back in 2016).

The tide of public opinion still hasn’t turned in Janet’s favor. Maybe next year.....

The Go-Go's have been stunt whoring for years to get inducted.

Beauty and the Beat was a great album, but there WERE other all women bands before them, and it was the only album they had that was good AND that they acknowledge (they act as if Talk Show doesn't exist). Not exactly a thing that screams "legacy!"

There's not a time limit on when a band can get inducted.

In 2018, the Zombies are a non-existent blip on the cultural radar, but they are still in contention for the Hall. There's still plenty of time for the Go-Go's.

Maybe someone should open an R 'n' B museum.

Stevie and Pat Benatar both deserve to be in. Janet Jackson not so much.

Janet Jackson is a joke

It took them years to induct Donna Summer. They are in no hurry to induct another black woman.

Black Cat" is a hard rock song incorporating heavy metal. It also contains elements of dance-rock, punk and arena rock throughout its production "Black Cat" received a Grammy Award nomination for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance, making Jackson the only artist in history to receive Grammy nominations spanning five genres (pop, dance, rock, rap, and R&B). The song also made her the first female artist to have a Grammy nominated number-one hit which they had solely written and produced. It won a BMI Pop Award for Most Played Song. Upon reaching number one on the Billboard Hot 100, it also made Jackson the first solo artist to achieve two number one hits in the nineties

"Is Tina in without Ike?"

What's Ug Got To Do With It?

Carly Simon needs to be inducted. Iconic hit (You're So Vain) along with other hits, 50 years of recording, A grammy, golden globe and oscar music winner. I really don't understand the process.

Carly Simon for sure.

Another vote for Carly.

R61 Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone runs the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Artists he doesn't like aren't ever getting in.

Still waiting for Harry Nilsson.

The Stuff That Dreams Are Made Of

[quote] Janet Jackson is a joke

That's such a new, fresh take on a topic. Certainly, it brings revelations that the other 975,764,351,287,298 posts and comments on the exact same theme have not already shown to us. Kudos, you.

George Michael

Cher

Chaka Khan really deserves to get in by herself. Next to Aretha, she's been the most influential female R and B singer of the last fifty years. And one of the most versatile vocalists out there.

Rufus was good, but there's a reason why they never succeeded without Chaka Khan.

R80, simmer down now.

R59 There are some well deserved names in your list. I thought half of them were already inducted. It's a joke.

Janet’s decades-long career, chart achievements and stats, industry records set and influence on generations of artists who’ve come after her ALONE are reasons she should have been inducted upon her first nomination, let alone the fact that she wasn’t even nominated in her first eligible year. It’s definitely political.

[quote]NO WAY BABY: Def Leppard, LL Cool J, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, MC5, Rage Against the Machine, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

r12 just negated the entire post by putting Stevie Nicks in the "No way baby" slot; she's one of the greatest female solo artists of all time and is about 20 years overdue for induction. It's a joke that Madonna got in before she did.

She's also #1 in the fan vote standings:

Time of the Season wasn't the Zombie's first hit, they'd had a few earlier, one fairly big. The Odessey and the Oracle was their attempt at Sargent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and is considered a psychedelic classic now. But the first few singles flopped, they released Time Of the Season as an afterthought, and it became a surprise smash. But the group had already broken up so they couldn't tour to promote the album. They were definitely the equal of the Beatles on Odessey, too bad they broke up before they could put out any more great albums.

No one deserves to be in more than Stevie Nicks.

Taylor Swift please

George Michael, Stevie Nicks and Carly Simon for sure.

Stevie Nicks!!!!!!!!

[quote]Time of the Season wasn't the Zombie's first hit, they'd had a few earlier, one fairly big.

She's Not There.

These are the ones that really deserve to be inducted:

Todd Rundgren

John Prine

MC5

Radiohead

The Zombies

4/5 of a WW for r93.

Devo

Todd Rungren

Def Leppard

Stevie Nicks

John Prine

Roxy Music!

R12 was just my predictions not who I think deserves induction

[quote] No one deserves to be in more than Stevie Nicks.

She would have been inducted already, but that whole business where she kicked that girl in the cunt bone didn't sit well with some of the judges.

R77, speaks the truth. Wenner is the reason why the RRHF is meaningless. Wenner is a POS.

(ahem,) R77.

Thank you r62. I didn't feel like explaining it to the under informed. You did it beautifully.

My vote.

Todd Rungren

Kraftwerk

MC5

the Cure

The Zombies.

@R62 - I'd ttended this year's Coachella to see Nile Rodgers. His set was a retrospective of his music/production. Awesome show.

(During his set, he'd announced he was 'Cancer Free.' As had Charles Bradley at his final Coachella show.)

Janet Jackson: 12th year of eligibility (yes 12 years) and this is 3rd nomination. Poor girl, can they just induct has been as a mercy?

Y'all are going on like Stevie Nicks hasn't ever been honored. She's been in with Fleetwood Mac for some 20-odd years. Same with Tina Turner, who got in as part of Ike and Tina Turner. Not saying that neither is worthy on their solo careers but the HoF likes to have a lot of time between multiple inductions on one person, so neither is overdue. Personally, I'd love to see both get in before Miss Whispercoo, nepotism at its best Jackson.

Fleetwood Mac was inducted almost 21 years ago. Stevie IS long overdue for her solo career.

If anyone from Fleetwood Mac is due for induction, it's Bob Welch, not Stevie Nicks.

Yeah, that's what some 20-odd years means. Gosh, thanks for clarifying.

Why the Hall of Fame keep nominating the same people over and over.

[R109]

As an earlier poster stated, if Jan Wenner doesn't like you, talent and achievements don't matter.

Janet is totally, definitely, getting in this year. Mark my words.

Why are non-rock artists nominated? I genuinely can’t wrap my head around that.

The Stevie Nicks trolls need to give it a rest.

Which otherwise deserving female induction should Stevie's solo induction steal away?

[R114]

The Shangri-las and Kate Bush, for starters.

What some of you morons don’t get is that just because it’s called the RNR HOF does not make it exclusive to rock acts.

And Janet should definitely get in this year. It would be the perfect culmination to all the other awards and honors she’s been receiving all year.

Olivia Newton-John

"No one deserves to be in more than Stevie Nicks."

You must be one of her insane fans. There are plenty of people a hell of a lot more deserving than her.

R116 "And Janet should definitely get in this year. It would be the perfect culmination to all the other awards and honors she’s been receiving all year."

True, she didn't deserve all those other awards either.

Stevie, the Zombies and Todd. John Prine? Really what a pretentious pre-nom - so he'll probably get in.

Kraftwerk should have been in decades ago as they pretty much made a whole genre of music a thing.

The Cure get a nomination but Siouxsie & The Banshees don't?

A true LEGEND who deserves her induction into the R&RHOF, Stevie Nicks!

Stone Roses, The Kinks.

Price of being inducted into the RRHF is sex with Wenner.

Write in vote for Connie Francis.

Connie the joke Francis

The Kinks were admitted in 1990.

I wish they'd inducted Johnny Winter. He's gone now; they might induct him eventually but I wish he'd been alive to see it. He was a brilliant guitarist and every inch a rock star. Also deserving is Rory Gallagher, another brilliant guitarist. The Rolling Stones wanted him to replace Mick Taylor and when Jimi Hendrix was asked how it felt to be the world's greatest guitarist, he is reported to have said: "I don't know, go ask Rory Gallagher." That may be an urban legend, but it's indicative of how great a guitarist he was. It's galling that people like them aren't in the R&R Hall of Fame, but mediocrities like Heart and Cheap Trick and Joan Jett and The Blackhearts and Billy Joel are in it. And MADONNA is it. If that don't prove it's a crock of shit I don't know what does.

Stevie supporting Linda's induction in 2014!

Sadly, Connie Francis will never be nominated because her brother was in the mob. Murdered on the front lawn of his home in North Caldwell, near where Tony Soprano lived.

Why couldn't it stay with actual Rock and Roll bands? Janet Jackson? Really?

Fair enough if it was the Pop Hall of Fame, but why does it have to extend into non-Rock performers?

First set of inductees: Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, Fats Domino, James Brown, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Ray Charles, Sam Cooke and the Everly Brothers.

It's NEVER been just for Rock performers.

Why would that nix her, R133?

It’s nice to see that she still has a few fans but Stevie Nicks won’t be inducted into the RRHOF as a solo artist.

What about us? We had a number one hit! And it was the biggest record for the whole year of 1969!

The Replacements

The Go-Go's

The Smiths

[quote]"No one deserves to be in more than Stevie Nicks." You must be one of her insane fans. There are plenty of people a hell of a lot more deserving than her.

For example?

[quote]There are plenty of people a hell of a lot more deserving than her.

Also, oh dear!

[quote]Why couldn't it stay with actual Rock and Roll bands? Janet Jackson? Really? Fair enough if it was the Pop Hall of Fame, but why does it have to extend into non-Rock performers?

"Rock" and "Rock & Roll" are two different things.

“Why couldn't it stay with actual Rock and Roll bands?”

Are you serious? Or are you making fun of a complaint that people started making in the 80s?

The complaint stands. Rock or Rock and Roll, whatever you want to go with, still isn't Janet Jackson. All the early inductees were Rock and Roll. In no way is Janet "Whisper Coo" Rock and or Roll. I don't care if it's an argument since the 80s, but perhaps it is a forgotten complaint that needs to be heard again for a new generation. Going by the logic used by R143, let's not protest or make complaint about racism, because, you know, that argument has been around since the dawn of time.

[quote]First set of inductees: Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, Fats Domino, James Brown, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Ray Charles, Sam Cooke and the Everly Brothers.

Then how about Pat Boone?

Joe Walsh doesn't have a peaceful, easy feeling about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, because he says the induction process is unfair and way outta hand.

We got the Eagles' guitarist in NYC and he went off about the Hall being too political and bowing down to corporate sponsors. Joe got remarkably candid when he added ... most artists would change a lot about the whole process, starting with who gets inducted.

Joe, who was inducted with the Eagles in 1998, even said there are many artists already in the Hall who have no business being there. He also has a specific guitar great in mind who deserves to be in, but keeps getting denied.

Shout-out to Link Wray and, if you've never heard of him, Joe's got the song you need to hear.

I don't think you have to be a *rock* artist to be in the HoF. Hell, R&B and Soul and Blues influenced some of the greatest musicians in the world. I think it should be about both talent and what the musician brought to the table in terms of advancing music or influencing either other musicians or culture. If it was strictly about that, then Janet would never get in (nor would many other acts). I think nearly all the early female artists who were successful and original and helped break down barriers should be in. Again, that's not Janet. She basically got her career by being related to her much more famous and talented brothers. She has no real vocal ability. She's a songwriter like Elvis Presley was a songwriter. And all her successes were crafted by other people, mainly men. It would be like inducting Paula Abdul or Apollonia. Shit, even Streisand should be in there, and her music is strictly pop. But what a voice. And a skillion times more talented than Janet.

If you're inducting people strictly on the basis of former popularity and sales, then the person upthread is right- The Archies should be in before Janet. Sugar Sugar was a damn good pop single.

Joe Walsh is correct about the RRHF.

"For example?"

Two good examples are the previously mentioned Johnny Winter and Rory Gallagher. Both had more talent in their little fingers than Nicks has in her whole twirling, coked out body. Other more deserving acts:

Nine Inch Nails

J. Geils Band

New Order

Peter Frampton

Joe Cocker

The Pixies

Gram Parsons

T. Rex

Soundgarden

Big Mama Thornton

Sonic Youth

King Crimson

Alice In Chains

Phish

Janet is terrible, zero talent and the sister of a paedophile - pretty much the 1980s/90s version of Nicki Minaj

Where is Graham Parker?

"Rock and roll" or "Rock and Pop" hall of fame??

Radiohead, the cure, def leppard and rage against the machine are the only ones I really care for on that list.

To be far if Madonna who f*ck have the music industry can get in. Then why not these two been around the bedpost witches.

R154 Stick to your native language.

For the dipshit at R144, Aretha and Nina Simone aren’t “Rock” either, yet they are in the Hall. It is not about Rock and Roll as your narrow mind sees it. It is about music as a whole. And, if anything, Rock and Roll in and of itself was created by black artists.

And to you, R148, and your blatant stupidity, may I suggest that you please do a little research about the artist you choose to denigrate before you make such a fool of yourself? Janet Jackson is one of the blueprints of modern pop music as we know it...the mother of all of these kids currently occupying the Top 40, if you will. She has been a part of pop culture since she was a little girl, which is when she started her career, and is still touring to massive crowds, releasing #1 albums and has been a constant, perennial inspiration to virtually every pop and dance/R&B performer to come after her. Who she’s related to is a non-factor. She could not help what her pedigree was. There were many Jackson offspring but, other than Michael, Janet was the only one to achieve massive solo worldwide stardom. That kind of iconery and longevity does not happen just because you happen to be Michael Jackson’s sister. If it did, then we would be celebrating Rebbie and Latoya’s groundbreaking, genre-defining albums right alongside Janet’s Control, Rhythm Nation 1814, janet., The Velvet Rope, etc. Alas, we aren’t, because they don’t have groundbreaking, genre-defining albums. Janet does.

Now, both of you can go fuck off, but be sure to do it while enjoying the sounds of one of Janet’s 10 Hot 100 #1s, one of which was nominated for an Oscar.

Nine Inch Nails - nope

J. Geils Band - nope

New Order - nope

Peter Frampton - nuh-uh

Joe Cocker - I'll give you that

The Pixies - nope

Gram Parsons - nope

T. Rex - About as deserving

Soundgarden - equally deserving

Big Mama Thornton - You got me there

Sonic Youth - about as deserving

King Crimson - as deserving

Alice In Chains - nope

Phish - nope

The fact that Carly Simon doesn't even get nominated is absurd. Just for "You're So Vain" alone. But she wrote all her own songs, played guitar and piano on most of them...I mean, seriously, not to get nominated? A lot of young female singers list her as a major influence.

Janet just thanked RRHOF on her IG. This has been is getting really desperate after being nominated 3 fucking times in 12 years. The cunty Madonna didn’t give a fuck but still got in on the 1st eligibility

Stevie Nicks!!!!!!!

R158, Many more young female singers have ALWAYS listed Stevie Nicks as a major influence.

R161 Uhhhhh, NO. Enough. i love Stevie, but her best work is with Fleetwood Mac.

I wonder who the ding dong at R157 thinks is deserving. Stevie Nicks, probably.

[R155] No you need to learn how to read.

R157 obviously has horrible taste in music

Where is The Blue Nile?

Where is Double?

R165's taste in music is...Stevie Nicks. What atrocious taste.

Fucking JABBA/R156 needs an enema.

Haha, JanBot showed up. Let the crazy begin!

Janet Jackson, on what basis? Yes, she was popular but how did she impact music? She is even less vocally talented than Madonna. She got hooked up with Jam and Lewis (who are excellent songwriters and producers) because she was semi-famous. Otherwise there would be no career. She is a good dancer and performer.

I like her music, but Hall of Fame? No.

R156, please elaborate on what genre Rhythm Nation 1814 influenced.

Janet Jackson was not part of pop culture since she was a girl. She had small roles on a couple sitcoms and released two flop albums. She found good producers and started making R&B/pop hits. I was a teenager obsessed with R&B when Janet hit big with Control. Everyone liked it but nobody was astounded by her music. She was just another female performer who danced better than she sang, like Paula Abdul.

(Cringes) The Carpenters?

[quote]Janet Jackson, on what basis?

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[quote]please elaborate on what genre Rhythm Nation 1814 influenced.

On a visual aspect alone, there have been a myriad of music videos from artists over the years that have taken a cue from the album. Beyoncé’s “Formation” and “Lemonade” have been cited as being an RN for the new generation, both visually and sonically. Some specifics:

[italic]Upon its 25th anniversary, music critic and scholar Joseph Vogel observed that when viewed "as a complete artistic statement, Rhythm Nation 1814 was a stunning achievement. It married the pleasures of pop with the street energy and edge of hip-hop." Kyle Anderson of Entertainment Weekly asserted the record "has barely aged—it sounds as rich and vital as it did when it was first released, and stylistically as contemporary as anything on the Billboard charts." Anderson also underscores that it pioneered several musical trends, records by pop and R&B artists including Rihanna, Pink, Beyoncé, Frank Ocean, Gwen Stefani, The Weeknd, Lady Gaga, Jhené Aiko, Miguel, Christina Aguilera, FKA Twigs, and Tinashe that have exhibited similarities to the "landmark" album. Its single for "Alright" featuring Heavy D made Jackson the first pop artist to team with a rapper, "setting the trend for future pop and hip-hop collaborations.” Additionally, "Black Cat" set a precedent for female pop stars segueing into glam metal. The album notably influenced Michael Jackson's Dangerous (1991) and HIStory (1995), the latter of which features the sibling's duet "Scream", produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Its impact also extends to indie and alternative rock music, with School of Seven Bells, A Sunny Day in Glasgow, and Alexis Krauss of Sleigh Bells citing the album as an influence in their work. MTV's Brenna Ehrlich remarked: "From Beyoncé ... to Britney Spears to Robyn to Sleigh Bells, the influence of Jackson's game-changer of a record is still rippling through the radio waves (or SoundCloud waves) today.”[/italic].

[italic]Jackson's handwritten lyrics to "Rhythm Nation" have been preserved by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's "Women Who Rock" exhibit, which Kathryn Metz describes as "the perfect platform to talk about song structure" for the museum's "Women Who Rock: Songwriting and Point of View" course, in which students analyze music written by female songwriters.[/italic]

[quote]Janet Jackson was not part of pop culture since she was a girl.

Chile, what planet are you livin’ on?

Influence

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Judging by her recording career, Janet should probably be in. But you need some type of talent, either singing, writing, producing , performing. The fact that her secret husband ghost wrote all her albums hurts her. Plus, she can't do anything without Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis.

[quote]Everyone liked it but nobody was astounded by her music

Say what?

R148: One could even argue that Paula Abdul would be a reasonable nominee for a number of reasons.

On a separate note, does the Janet Jackson troll just pop from thread to thread posting links to YouTube videos about Janet Jackson? Yikes.

[quote]The fact that her secret husband ghost wrote all her albums hurts her. Plus, she can't do anything without Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis.

Rene was a visual collaborator and co-wrote on Velvet Rope, but even Jimmy Jam has gone on record as saying that he never saw Rene around much with a pen and paper in his hand. Some of Janet’s most popular songs were either written by her or co-written by her, with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis supplying the production. And she has collaborated with other producers as well (Babyface, Kanye, etc). Jimmy and Terry had nothing to do with “Black Cat” for starters.

[quote]On a separate note, does the Janet Jackson troll just pop from thread to thread posting links to YouTube videos about Janet Jackson?

If one asks for receipts, specifics and examples, they shall receive them...IN ABUNDANCE.

Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard are way way ahead in the fan vote and the top 2 or 3 have never NOT gotten in.

The biggest snub ever has to be Foreigner - not only did I assume they were in but I figured they must have gotten in years ago. Boston as well.

And fuck you to Jann that the Monkees will never get in.

Snubbed AGAIN!

Jabba ruins everything.

Carly Simon... "Your So Vain" is one of the iconic pop songs and "That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be"t is a work of art.

Leslie Gore. "It's My Party"... again one of the all-time iconic pop songs. "You Don't Own Me" was significant.

Peter Paul & Mary... they introduced Dylan's music to the public. As well as the music of John Denver, Gordon Lightfoot, Peter Seeger etc. The represent the folk genre just as much as Joan Baez and they deserve recognition.

Pat Boone... he was sort of the Rudy Vallee of the 1950s but he was an early rocker too....and wildly popular.

[quote]And MADONNA is it. If that don't prove it's a crock of shit I don't know what does.

[quote]

Again, MOST SUCCESSFUL FEMALE RECORDING ARTIST IN HISTORY.

Those fucking Janet and Steve Nick trolls ruin the thread. Fuck off. Go n find a hobby or something bc ur obsession is unhealthy . These pieces of shit have not been inducted in the RRHOF after so many years of eligibility simply because they are nobody not good enough.

Are you too stupid to understand that simple concept?

[quote]Are you too stupid to understand that simple concept?

You’re the stupid one, dear.

Stevie is one of the pioneering solo female rock acts who, and I digress, turned in a spine-tingly be”witch”ing and haunting rendition of “Gypsy” on the latest episode of American Horror Story the other night.

Janet is one of the most successful female pop acts of the last 30 plus years, is an Oscar nominee, is a perennial how-to example for today’s pop star which is evidenced in their own work, and is currently one of only three acts in music history with a #1 album in each of the last four decades.

In short, the only one who should promptly fuck off is you.

R197 she has sold even less than Britney. Even worse, her tours have always flopped. Telling her one of the most successful ones is really far far far stretched

[quote]her tours have always flopped

Ok, I can see that you’re living in some sort of alternate universe here, which is sad. Or maybe you’re just a millennial, which is even worse.

Janet Jackson still holds the record for most successful debut world tour in history. Her Rhythm Nation World Tour was the biggest tour by a female in 1990 in the states, and together with the massive success of the janet. and Velvet Rope tours, she became the most successful female touring act of the ‘90s.

Britney? You mean Janet’s pupil? The woman who was called Janet Jr. by her peers during her tenure on MMC and who has gone on record numerous times stating that Janet is her major influence? Ms. Spears couldn’t shine Janet’s shoes on a good day.

This Janet troll is def retarded. Go and thank the RRHOF on IG just like she did a couple days ago and pray they will induct her after 12 fucking years of eligibility and being nominated for the 3rd time. She’s getting really desperate.

Link below shows she’s nobody when it comes to album sales. And she’s also nobody when it comes to touring. She’s no Beyoncé Madonna or Celine

The Legendary Stevie Nicks, whose 2016-2017 24 Karat Gold Tour SOLD OUT arenas like The Forum and Madison Square Garden - the same venues Fleetwood Mac performs in - definitely deserves to be leading in the poll - and she should be inducted.

Looks like retard JABBA’s dipping into her Friday meth a little early.

Nobody cares about Stevie Nicks. She’s nobody. Do you?

After angering the voodoo community, I really don't expect to be inducted. You know . . . curses and chicken blood.

There's also the issue of my diminutive talent.

I think Janet thanked the Hall on her IG because she already knows she’s going to be inducted. Call it a hunch.

Whitney Houston ought to be inducted.

The LEGENDARY Stevie Nicks!!!

Janet's producers deserve to be inducted, not their whispercoo puppet.

Stevie inspires hit television series - entire seasons! TWO now of American Horror Story!

LEGEND!!!!!!

Holy fuck! How many tries is this for Janet Jackson? Is it 4 now? Get the message!

There's no way she should be inducted into the R&RH0F! She can barely sing and hasn't had anything approaching a career for 2 or 3 decades. There definitely isn't any legacy to earn her a place. What the fuck are people talking about in this thread?!? Seems like some kind of alternate reality where facts don't exist.

Others who are worthy of being inducted. Some were very commercially successful, some not:

Dave Edmunds. He only had one hit, a version of "I Hear You Knocking" but he's put out a lot of good music. He's a true rock and roller, a musician's musician.

Moon Martin. He's mainly known for "I Got A Bad Case of Loving You", which was a hit for Robert Palmer, and "Cadillac Walk", which has been covered by a lot of artists. Willie DeVille did a great version of it. But he's a good songwriter, good singer and great live performer.

Robert Palmer. Had an incredible voice.

Willie DeVille. Very talented musician who could do a lot of styles, write great songs and put on a good show.

Three Dog NIght. Fantastic cover band who introduced a wide audience to the songwriting of Randy Newman, Laura Nyro. Hoyt Axton and Paul Williams.

Jim Croce. Put out a string of great pop hits. He had a way with words: "you don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind..."

Melanie. Quirky voice and songwriting, she was also a unique talent. She did a great cover version of Jim Croce's "Lover's Cross."

The Monkees. Great pop band that put out a string of hits that still hold up today.

Gordon LIghtfoot. One of the greatest songwriters around. Bob Dylan is a fan of his.

I don't know why Three Dog Night has been labeled a "Cover" band.

They didn't do cover versions of other artists' hits.

Vanilla Fudge was a cover band. They covered hits like "You Keep Me Hanging On", "Ticket To Ride", and "Season of the Witch".

Go Zombies!

R192, I do not ree-quire your drag-queening my interests, thank you.

I am simply allowing some of the older music people to enjoy being inducted before they die out. I keep telling Hall (I am on a first name basis with the Of Fame family) that I am happy to wait. We younger stars can wait.

Plus who the fuck wants to have to go to Cleveland. I mean. Cleveland.

And in case there is any doubt, I am R214 and the only genuine luxe diva of the pop/rock/soul-lite/mellow whitish blues/non-howling gospel/disco/cross-over movementation.

Now leave me out of this. I do not wish to be involved in any kind of fan friction between Miss Mouse Fart Jackson and Miss "Blow It Up My Gypsy Hole" Nicks. Although Stevie always has the best snortum dust.

R214 has never been to Cleveland. Cleveland.

I'll be too busy collecting my Kennedy Center honor.

Follow this, you bitches.

I think Janet thanked the Hall on her IG because she already knows she’s going to be inducted. Call it a hunch. Maybe she slept with Jann Wenner to get inducted. Because if you can screw Bobby Brown. Then screwing Jann can lead to something towards your career.

Stevie Nicks: Cultural Icon!

Jann doesn't like the pussy or state fair bankruptors. No Janet.

^^^^Because of course a 50-something straight woman and a 60-something gay man want to fuck.

Datalounge, you did it again

Is there anything more bogus on the face of this earth than "The Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame"? It's a contradiction in terms....Do all these aging rockers really have a desperate need to be legitimized, to prove to their ancient parents that they are now respectable?

Plus, as Grace Slick said: “All rock and rollers over age 50 look stupid and should retire.”

Janet’s Made For Now overtook Ariana Frande’s God Is A Woman for the #1 spot on the Billboard Club charts. She’s getting in.

^*Grande

R223 this is RRHOF thread so why did you post her shit here? Everyone knows that her single failed to chart BB200 and it flopped hard. Do you really think that scoring #1 on that dance chart is an achievement? 💩😂

She did chart on the Hot 100, dipshit, which is something her contporaires consistently fail to do. She also has the most recent #1 album of her contemporaries. So, what the fuck were you saying again?

It’s really odd that Janet fans always seek validation from other singers’ fans. Desperate much?

I hope Brian Eno is finally inducted into the RRHOF -

And here's another from Roxy Music - Mother of Pearl.

[quote]Janet’s Made For Now overtook Ariana Frande’s God Is A Woman for the #1 spot on the Billboard Club charts. She’s getting in.

Got some news for you retard JABBA. The RRHOF doesn’t give a fuck.

[quote]It’s really odd that Janet fans always seek validation from other singers’ fans. Desperate much?

FAN.

ONE fan.

That fan is JABBA, aka Janbot.

One stupid idiot fan.

Prince performing the classic Janet tune WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY. He performed it many times over the years in concert...

Whitney performing Janet’s CONTROL in concert...

Rod Stewart covering Stevie's Classic STAND BACK!

I've always loved Anne Murray's rendition of Sisters of the Moon.

There were 52 artists were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in their first year of eligibility. The ONLY FEMALE in this group is Madonna. There have been many singers/bands that were/have been nominated but have never been inducted. Whitney, Celine and Mariah have never been even nominated.

Sorry, I should have said “only 52 artists were...”

Madonna has inspired trash imitators like Ariana Grande and Katy Perry.

Stevie Nicks has inspired TRUE Artists.

R238 I DONT KNOW HER

Stevie Nicks: Legend and Inspiration!

I STILL DONT KNOW HER.

Stevie Nicks pioneered nothing except the "look at me" twirl.

Janet Jackson pioneered nothing except the "look at me" Super Bowl nipple slip.

I ONLY KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE ON MY LEVEL: MICHAEL, THE BEATLES AND ELVIS

Madonna wishes there was something iconic about her aside from rimming Joey Stephano in 1992.

R244 I STILL DONT KNOW HER

Stevie's influence is across all styles of music!

When asked if they know Stevie Nicks, the world responded WE DONT KNOW HER.

Planet Earth,

Who is Stevie Nicks?

The ICON, Stevie Nicks on AHS this week singing a beautiful version of her Classic, "Gypsy"!

[R243] That's cute, but Madonna was not the first to get into the Hall on her first go around.

As of October 13th. Stevie Nicks is in the lead with the fan vote. Janet is at about half of what Stevie is getting. Def Leppard is a close 2nd.

Her fans have this #Induct JANET. I'm wondering are they voting for Janet. Because Stevie fans are showing their support.

R250, do you not understand that was actually Aretha's 2nd year of eligibility? When the RRHF opened, Aretha had already been around long enough to qualify.

Now, that's on the RRHF--Aretha absolutely should have been in the first group of inductees.

Rock And Roll Legend:

R250 a little research wouldn’t hurt; people might think you are an idiot or may be you are

R50 here it is

god, the stink of Jabba's fetid cunt is all over this thread. Fuck off, Jabba. Your untalented heifer ain't gettin' in. Ever. That fat cow couldn't even must 100M in sales. #46???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I remember the last time Janet was up for the HoF. She started out at #6 in the fan vote and then just kept sinking.

But Stevie ”Rocks a Little”!

And Stevies dance remix of “I Can’t Wait” REALLY rocks!

OMG, Janet has 59,000 votes. That's about twice the number of downloads her last five singles sold.

Disappointed Rufus & Chaka Khan aren't killing the fan vote. Very influential funk band back in the day.

I think Janet has a decent chance of getting in this time, because she hustled herself a lot of press with only a moderately successful tour and a single with lukewarm reception. What’s hilarious though is if she gets in, JanBot will go absolutely psycho with the posts about how it’s proof Janet is the most important thing EVER, even though Janet’s been eligible for entry as long as Madonna and, well, we all know Madonna got in right away no hesitation.

When Janet was first nominated a few years ago, she was in the top spot for a few days before the hardcore rock fans enlisted bots to do their cheating, which is the reason you can only vote once a day now.

HAGdonna was only inducted right away because Jann the Pansy has a thing for her, the old man she got to sign her while he was in the hospital is on the committee and she’s a white woman. Black woman have been notoriously shunned by the Hall for years.

Call her what you want, Retard JABBA/R265.

She got in.

On her first nomination.

Suck on those balls, retard JABBA.

I wondered when retard JABBA would invoke the bot clause.

I feel bad for Jan troll. It has invested so much in her up and down career. I bet it would commit suicide if she doesn’t get inducted this time. I hope she will as this desperate has been has sucked off so many old dicks lately to be just nominated again after 12 years of eligibility

Janet is being inducted into the Baja Fresh Hall of Fame. Over 10,000 meals eaten, and that's only her. Add in Rebbie, unwanted children and the rest of the family and it must be in the millions.

[quote] When Janet was first nominated a few years ago, she was in the top spot for a few days before the hardcore rock fans enlisted bots to do their cheating, which is the reason you can only vote once a day now.

This never happened.

We know, R270. JanBot lies all the time.

[quote] HAGdonna was only inducted right away because Jann the Pansy has a thing for her, the old man she got to sign her while he was in the hospital is on the committee and she’s a white woman. Black woman have been notoriously shunned by the Hall for years.

There have been 20 black female acts who have been inducted, including such far off reaches as Mahalia Jackson and Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Outside of Chaka Khan (and Tina is already in there with Ike), I'd love to hear who's been "notoriously shunned in your opinion, Jabba.

Oh, you're right. Rebbie. Centipede was a hell of a bop. Still holds up today.

That's right, Madonna was signed by an old guy in a hospital bed, because he was so excited by her demo he didn't want to wait. She didn't just get a contract handed to her because she was a Jackson.

[quote]HAGdonna was only inducted right away because Jann the Pansy has a thing for her

and because she is THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SELLING WOMAN IN MUSIC HISTORY.

“There’s nothing remotely in Nicks’s solo career that warrants induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist.“

R275 ewww what a fucking pretentious gasbag. Of course he put Def Leppard last - he probably would have put Bon Jovi there too. Anyway, they had too mega great albums (esp Pyyromania) - they helped define the 80s and MTV as much as anyone, and that’s the biggest era that’s getting in now (starting with Journey, really).

I STILL can’t believe Boston and especially Foreigner have never gotten in - not even nominated, I don’t think. Something is up, there.

[quote]This never happened

Oh, it most certainly did, and I saved the screenshot.

[quote]he was so excited by her demo

THIS never happened.

Donna Summer, a woman who should’ve been inducted in her first year of eligibility, had to DIE before they let her in. The fact that they inducted her the year after her death, after many years of passing her over, is telling of how they view black female artists.

R276 has terrible taste in music and probably most other things

R279, how they view black female artists? Not "they" but Jann Wenner. He owns and decides who is inducted into the RRHF. Wenner, to put it mildly, is not a good person.

[quote] Oh, it most certainly did, and I saved the screenshot.

Please. Janet NEVER got 2 million votes anywhere. Just as fake as her overproduced, whispercoo'ed muzak.

R278 Donna had the talent to remain a superstar throughout the 80s and well beyond disco, but made so many terrible career choices, it damaged her legacy. Her incompetence at running her career is big factor to why she remained underrated and overlooked. I think that was a bigger factor than her race.

R283 Her voice was and still is severely underrated. What shame she never got to record some serious jazz and the standards.

Donna had a voice that could easily fit in many other genres. One of the retro TV stations played one of her appearances on a variety show with her singing gospel and she was amazing in that as well

Imagine what Madonna could've done with her voice, or practically anyone else for that matter. Donna got filthy rich and just wanted to be a rich housewife who occasionally tours, the extent of her ambition.

It's a crime that Sonny and Cher are not in.

Donna never got in pre-death because no matter what her achievements and talents, she was seen by most as a disco singer whose career petered out shortly after disco. Her talents have always been underrated squarely because of the genre where she had her biggest successes. Had she not died, I don't think she'd be in today. There was far too much bias.

True 288, but ironically her reputation would be better now if she had stuck to dance music more. Her only 4 post-disco hits were the few occasions she deigned to record commercial dance-pop. If she'd embraced her Queen of Disco title and kept recording great dance-pop, first it would've thrilled her hoards of gay male fans, and boosted her total number of hits potentially enough to double them. Remaining extremely commercial is what would've broken down the bias against her for disco. That's what happened with Madonna, she embraced dance-pop and scored so many hits the critics had to relent and start taking her seriously. And Donna did actually admire Madonna for her career longevity, but didn't take her example, because she didn't enjoy being a superstar, preferring to be a stay-at-home mom.

That they let Donna in a year after her death was like a slap in the face. Screw Jann Wenner.

Not fake, R282. Sorry.

[R279] At least Jann Wenner did acknowledge Donna Summer. Although Donna was dead when it happen, she did get into the Hall of Fame. George Michael did not receive such a gustier at all. Those statements about Donna's talent can be applied to George as well except he was a songwriter, producer and arranger. The poor has never been consider a nominee, meanwhile if a Britney Spears who is eligible in 2023 would get in on a first try. While George stay in the not consider important to the music world.

R291: screenshot but no link?

Fake.

Nice try no sale, Retard JABBA.

^The screenshot IS the link, dumbass. That was during her first nomination a few years ago, and she WAS in the top spot for several days before the bots took over. The Hall was flooded with complaints because of the obvious cheating, hence why they changed the system so that you can only vote once a day.

You’re never too old to rock n roll.

That irrelevant Has been Janet has been nominated 3 times in 12 years? Bitch, she’s nobody then

R294, you're still a liar JanBot. Janet's lead lasted less than a day and Janet fared even WORSE the following year when they changed the voting rules. So it wasn't the bot voting that was the problem.

[quote]The screenshot IS the link, dumbass.

WRONG, moron.

I think Roxy Music and Radiohead should be locks for induction.

After that, anybody but Janet and Stevie just to spite the two Uncle Festers who bombarded this thread with their relentless retardy-tard-tardness.

Eyeroll R294 - you fucking liar!

[bold]YOU'RE[/bold] the "bot" repeatedly voting for Janet and what happened was that actual fans started voting for the other nominees and [bold]YOU[/bold] flooded the RRHOF with complaints because no-one was voting for Janet and so they changed the voting system because of [bold]YOU[/bold].

You are a deluded cunt who continually makes an continual embarrassment out of yourself here by posting made-up bullshit and lies. You always were an deluded embarrassment and you always will be.

This is Janet's third nomination and she isn't going to get in this time either. She doesn't deserve to be in The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame because she barely has any talent, she can barely sing, rode the coattails of her infinitely more talented siblings (otherwise she would never have even had a career at all), she lies continually, she's fat and lazy - she can't even finish a concert because she's so fat and lazy and she most certainly hasn't had anything approaching a mainstream career for the last 20 years.

Janet Jackson must be horrified that you're her fan...

Queen Janet’s time is now, and you ALL will deal.

[Quote]Bitch, she’s nobody

Funny, but the CEO of the RnR HOF and many a music scholar and journalist feel differently. I’ll take their opinions over that of a bitter fagula on an insignificant gay forum.

Hey, this isn't about Janet!

It's about me and my solo induction, so look at me! Look at me!

I'm twirling in my favorite Welsh Witch shawl.

12 years and 3 nominations? Bitch she’s NO MADONNA

But…but…where's Connie Francis?!? Sniff, sniff, sob!

[quote]Funny, but the CEO of the RnR HOF and many a music scholar and journalist feel differently. I’ll take their opinions over that of a bitter fagula on an insignificant gay forum.

I thought the argument earlier was that if the CEO wanted you in you were in and if he didn't, you were never getting in.

So.... why hasn't she gotten in?

[quote]you ALL will deal.

Really, retard JABBA?

That limp dick proclamation again?

How many fake emails have you created to vote for that fatass has-been, retard JABBA?

I have a question. Why Rick James is not in the Hall of Fame? Prince is in there and he particle copy Rick James when he began his career.

Def Leppard leads the fan vote.

I just keep voting for Devo because rhey're right under Janet and I want them to overtake her. then i'll vote for the next act that's below them, and so on and so on. No point in voting for the five acts above janet. she's never catching up to them. my goal is to watch her sink to the bottom. where she belongs.

I'm sure JanBot has some great conspiracy theory brewing about why Janet's not faring so well even though "OMG they changed the whole voting system because of her!!!1!!!!"

As an aside, it's legit sad Rufus and Chaka Khan are faring so poorly. Same with Kraftwerk. Radiohead belongs there, but they're still in the early stages of eligibility so there's still plenty of time for them.

Poor deluded R311. It’ll never work, honey.

[quote]Poor deluded [R311]. It’ll never work, honey.

Neither will your bullshit tactics, retard.

[quote]It’ll never work, honey.

What? Janet's attempts at getting in?

If Janet doesn't get in this time (I know, I know, mark someone's words she's totally getting in this time!).... is she allowed to pull her name from future nominations to save herself the embarrassment?

I actually think Janet will get in because she hustled herself a lot of poor victim me press this year. I'm sure the RRHOF would love to cash in on righting poor wronged Janet. But in yet another hilarious example of JanBot trying to sell Janet as the most influential ever and actually making Janet look worse:

In 2015 when Janet was first nominated, the final fan vote tally put Janet in a distant 6th place.

There were lots of complaints about voting bots giving the winner (Chicago) and others unfair advantage, so beginning in 2016 the fan vote rules changed to allow only one vote per user per day. The final fan vote tally that year put Janet... in a distant 11th place.

This year, after lots of positive press and coming off a moderately successful tour and a single that got some attention for a whole weekend, the current standings of the fan vote have Janet in... a distant 6th place.

Poor Janet. Destined to come in at the bottom. Again.

I will dance on Jabba's botched gastric bypass when Janet fails. Again.

I'm actually sure Janet is getting in this year too! Third time's a charm!

It sounds like she's gotten enough money together this year to buy a few awards so I'm sure this is her year for the RRHOF. Mark my words!

Are inductees allowed to whispercoosync their acceptance speeches?

And yet, she’s still one of only three artists with a #1 album in each of the last four decades, the only artist with 7 top 5 singles from one album, the only Jackson family act with and Oscar nom, the only artist with Grammy nominations spanning five major categories, and the only one of her contemporaries with a recent #1 album and a recent Hot 100 charting single. And as much as these fact hurt you, you will still deal.

And the only "artist" to bankrupt a State Fair.

Moderately successful tour? LMAO!!!!

Only when it comes to the Queen of Cancellations is it something to tout that they didn't cancel one show!

p.s. it wasn't as though she didn't want to. She was basically told she'd better not pull that shit again or she was done for.

But seriously, LOVE me some Ms. Jackson! She's totally getting in this year. Mark my words!

^Ooh look, we’ve got an insider here!

[quote]And yet, she’s still one of only three artists with a #1 album in each of the last four decades, the only artist with 7 top 5 singles from one album, the only Jackson family act with and Oscar nom, the only artist with Grammy nominations spanning five major categories, and the only one of her contemporaries with a recent #1 album and a recent Hot 100 charting single. And as much as these fact hurt you, you will still deal.

Blah blah blah.

More limp needledick proclamations from Retard JABBA.

[quote]Moderately successful tour? LMAO!!!!

Hunty PREACH!!!

How dare someone call it a Moderately successful tour!

Bitch didn't even earn enough to call it Somewhat Successful.

Awwww that's cute that that's the best Jabba's got.

Gurl is pressed about facts!

But a bitch was #36 last year!!! But outsold by fucking NKOTB.

But seriously, Janet will get in this year. I promise you all that. There's no way they're going to deny her a third time. I'm actually really happy for Jabba because people deserve to have the things it wants.

There you have it, Jabba, you piece of shit. R329 is rubbing the proof in your vile face. Janet's average tickets sold for each show was between 74-76%.

But of course every show was a sellout.

You fucking cunt.

R278 here is the demo that launched the career of the most successful female singer of all time. Even Jabba can hear the raw potential here.

Wait! You mean Maid For Now won’t get me voted in?!

THE QUEEN is to bestowed with her ANOTHER honor when she is named MTV EMA Global Icon next month. She will also perform at the ceremony.

All that demo shows is that HAGdonna is immensely UNtalented.

So it’s been 12 years of eligibility and 3 nominations so far? Bitch she’s really a nobody. Her albums and touring sales numbers are way behind Madonna Celine Whitney Mariah Beyoncé Britney and Taylor S

MTV EUROPEAN MUSIC AWARD GLOBAL ICON, preceded by BILLBOARD ICON and to be followed by ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEE 2019.

With Janet there, I'm sure the EMAs will have record low ratings as well.

The Queen just keeps on getting plaudits from all these award shows. It just makes the DL bitterness against her all the more sweet.

This could be an interesting thread has it not been totally derailed by this Janet shit.

Wtf is with this board and Janet Jackson?

R340, you mean you don’t worship The Janet’s beatific essence?

R335 I think it is better than the album version

This demonstrates why Madonna is in the hall of fame. She had the hustle to make her own demos to get a record deal. She had the passion, the drive.

^She had the expert cocksucking abilities.

So basically Janet's ex-husband paid for another bullshit, meaningless award this year to try and get some of his money back on that atomic bomb of a single and video, Made for Now? MTV EMA? Who the hell ever even heard of that. Jabba, you sad, disgusting pig, open your eyes. These are meaningless awards that are paid for. These actually hurt ManNet's chances of getting into the R&RHOF.

Goddamn, you're an idiot.

The only thing Janet’s ex husband is doing is weeping in a corner somewhere because the icon he was once married to has moved on with her life and is shining all the more brightly.

[quote]Goddamn, you’re an idiot

Says the moronic old fogey who’s never heard of the MTV European Video Music Awards. It’s in the link, dumb ass.

MTV doesn't even play music and has nothing to do with the music business. It's wall to wall crap reality shows. No music.

It's not exactly an honor to get one of these awards. MTV must be thrilled that someone will agree to accept one.

^No, but you keep telling yourself that, sugar.

I think we've got Jabba on the run. It's become flummoxed again, and isn't trotting out FatNet's fake stats.

^Guess again, fuck face.

Janet Jackson is famous because of her discography—a multi-multi-million-selling cavalcade of grooves and hits which includes 11 albums (7 of which were #1s and several which were groundbreaking explorations of personal growth, self-exploration and the fight for social justice) and 10 Hot 100 #1s, her iconic music videos, her influential choreography and style, her legendary concerts which have been mimicked by just about every female pop star of this new generation, and her visionary artistry which yielded (and continues to yield) her many awards and nominations over the years including an Oscar nom, several Grammys and several world icon awards. She was a pop culture staple from the time she appeared on TV as a child portraying an abused little girl and she remains one to this day. With a multifaceted career spanning decades and multiple media outlets including television, music, films and books (a semi-auto-bio went to #1 on The NY Times Bestsellers list) she achieved many industry “firsts” and would go on to sign two of the biggest recording contracts in history TWICE in one decade, achieve and set a litany of music chart records which include being the only artist in history to yield 7 top 5 singles from a single album, the first woman to debut a single in the Hot 100 top 10, the first woman to have a #1 album during the SoundScan era and the first woman to have 5 consecutive Billboard 200 #1 albums. From BlackGlama to performing for the Queen of England, she’s done it all. Her nip slip at the 2004 Super Bowl is the reason YouTube exists. She provided the blueprint to the house that the Britneys, the Rihannas, the Beyonces, The Ciaras and the JLos currently reside in. Her music is still sampled, remade and is cited by all kinds of pop, R&B and rock artists as being influential in their own careers. Music journalists still marvel at how she was able to deftly escape the shadow cast by her brother Michael—who was and is without question the biggest pop star this world has ever seen and will ever see—to carve her own niche in the world of mega pop superstardom. Her award-winning music videos are revered and have been mimicked and copied for decades. Her 1993 Rolling Stone cover is arguably THE most famous and homaged image of a female pop star EVER in the history of the fucking music business. Her Rhythm Nation 1814 album is more relevant in today’s world of Trump-fueled bigotry, mass public shootings and social injustice than it was when it was released nearly 30 years ago. Her critically-lauded magnum opus The Velvet Rope has been cited by many members of the LGBTQ community as having saved their lives. Her song “Nasty” led a female revolt in the last presidential election without her having any hand in it. She’s Janet, Miss Jackson if you’re nasty, and you WILL recognize.

Fake Janbot ^^

R342 even so, she was still "dating" the two biggest DJs in the new York city, that's still pretty impressive. She could've done much worse than Mark Kamins and Jellybean, that's for sure

Dating=fucking for opportunities.

janet filling her lil red wagon with skin bleach for her big night !!!! yea

[quote] [R342] even so, she was still "dating" the two biggest DJs in the new York city, that's still pretty impressive. She could've done much worse than Mark Kamins and Jellybean, that's for sure

Exactly. She could have dated Jermaine Dupri and one of the DeBarges.

R350?

Madonna is the number 1 selling female artist of all time. Of all time.

Madonna is the 4th highest selling music artist of all time. Of all time.

She is preceded only by The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

Janet Jackson barely makes the list now and slips further down it due to career irrelevance and overwhelming public disinterest each year... Soon - she will be off the list.

[bold]Madonna wont...[/bold]

Apologies - I forgot to post the number that Janet Jackson is at on the all time best selling music artists.

And she's so far down the list - well, who can really be bothered counting?

#72 and falling. Yay Janet!

Why bother, R357, facts don't matter to Jabba.... neither does reality.

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Top Live Artists From 1990-2014

1. The Rolling Stones

Gross: $1,565,792,382

Attendance: 19,677,569

Shows: 538

2. U2

Gross: $1,514,979,793

Attendance: 20,536,168

Shows: 526

3. Bruce Springsteen

Gross: $1,196,116,507

Attendance: 15,010,773

Shows: 727

4. Madonna

Gross: $1,140,230,941

Attendance: 9,694,079

Shows: 382

5. Bon Jovi

Gross: $1,030,082,884

Attendance: 12,333,668

Shows: 578

6. Elton John*

Gross: $786,791,043

Attendance: 12,164,513

Shows: 956

7. Dave Matthews Band

Gross: $776,969,736

Attendance: 17,823,077

Shows: 992

8. Celine Dion

Gross: $737,573,927

Attendance: 6,546,109

Shows: 1,143

9. Kenny Chesney

Gross: $752,706,599

Attendance: 12,681,629

Shows: 755

10. The Eagles

Gross: $702,110,908

Attendance: 7,720,760

Shows: 484

11. The Police/Sting

Gross: $556,114,962

Attendance: 7,257,611

Shows: 605

12. Roger Waters

Gross: $547,305,412

Attendance: 5,474,759

Shows: 316

13. Paul McCartney

Gross: $505,534,809

Attendance: 5,248,175

Shows: 220

14. Billy Joel*

Gross: $499,978,726

Attendance: 10,408,169

Shows: 577

15. Rod Stewart

Gross: $497,033,399

Attendance: 7,885,676

Shows: 714

16. Neil Diamond

Gross: $465,448,371

Attendance: 8,870,666

Shows: 643

17. Metallica

Gross: $432,816,245

Attendance: 8,388,374

Shows: 468

18. Aerosmith

Gross: $417,573,638

Attendance: 8,405,069

Shows: 582

19. George Strait

Gross: $405,034,063

Attendance: 9,736,580

Shows: 584

20. Jimmy Buffett

Gross: $402,756,057

Attendance: 9,746,471

Shows: 539

21. Coldplay

Gross: $378,359,252

Attendance: 5,394,616

Shows: 315

22. Toby Keith

Gross: $361,256,245

Attendance: 8,608,696

Shows: 711

23. Cher

Gross: $351,625,611

Attendance: 4,531,739

Shows: 548

24. Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks

Gross: $349,906,931

Attendance: 4,906,995

Shows: 483

25. AC/DC

Gross: $337,879,092

Attendance: 5,387,353

Shows: 316

*Includes co-headlining tours

Source: Billboard Boxscore

Janet is the only artist of her contemporaries to have a recent #1 album, and that includes Madonna, Celine and Mariah. She’s also the only one to have a recent Hot 100 charting song. She’s also the only one to have a #1 album in each of the last four decades. She’s also the only one currently being bestowed with award after award for her longevity and her icon status. She’s also the only one whose album that was released 30 years ago is more relevant today than it was when it was released. She’s also the only one with an Oscar nomination under her belt, was the first one to have a top 10 charting song, was the first one to sweep an awards show in one night, was the first one with five back to back #1 albums, and so on and so forth.

These FACTS make you all mad, I know, but you’ll get over it. And, if you don’t, well...

Why does this uneducated loser never shut up unless you are the has been Janet trolling here 😂

Stats don’t lie and she’s just like you NOBODY

Stats don’t lie, which is why you need to re-educate yourself with R350 and R360 again. Bitch.

What about the stats posted in R359, cunt JABBA?

[quote] Janet is the only artist of her contemporaries to have a recent #1 album

Which sold barely any units (even after being busted for counting uber giveaways and bundles as sales) and fell off the chart in a month. It was her biggest flop ever.

[quote] She’s also the only one to have a #1 album in each of the last four decades.

Again, Unbreakable was a foul smelling, embarrassing turd of a release that lost a LOT of money, so the fact that it debuted on a slow week and hit #1 is nothing to crow about.

[quote] She’s also the only one currently being bestowed with award after award for her longevity and her icon status.

Complete bullshit. Many, MANY artists have been awarded several of those kinds of awards, only legit ones, not some South Brazilian MTV thing what no one's ever heard of, or a Billboard Icon award that was bought and paid for to help boost awareness of someone's new single that went ahead and tanked.

[quote] She’s also the only one whose album that was released 30 years ago is more relevant today than it was when it was released.

You're the only saying that.

[quote] She’s also the only one with an Oscar nomination under her belt.

That Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis wrote and she put her name on.

[quote] was the first one to have a top 10 charting song

Oh really? Have you ever heard of Borderline, Lucky Star, Like a Virgin, Material Girl, Crazy for You, Angel, Dress You Up and Live to Tell? All Top 10 hits (3 of which went to #1) before Janet had her first hit.

[quote] Was the first one to sweep an awards show in one night

Yes, I remember this. It was the "Freshies," the Baja Fresh regional sales awards. Janet inspired seventeen black neighborhoods to spend their welfare checks on cheap Mexican food.

[quote] was the first one with five back to back #1 albums, and so on and so forth.

the last two which disappeared off the charts so fast, you probably thought they were made up. Janet does.

Jabba, you keep going. You'll never be right.

Stevie Nicks with more sales and box office than Janet!

The Gold Dust Woman is winning!

[quote]She’s also the only one whose album that was released 30 years ago is more relevant today than it was when it was released.

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

R360 - you're just solid fucking delusional with your fanfiction writing. You're desperately pedaling but going nowhere in your alternate reality...

Nicely said R364/ But provable [bold]FACTS[/bold] were never Shartbot's strong point.

What's Janet's place on the RRHOF list now? The lying Shartbot and her devious little bitch friends will be faking up email addresses and voting their tits off to no avail.

Cher wouldn't hire Janet to scrub her toilets.

[[R342]] even so, she was still "dating" the two biggest DJs in the new York city, that's still pretty impressive. She could've done much worse than Mark Kamins and Jellybean, that's for sure

Exactly. She could have dated Jermaine Dupri and one of the DeBarges.

[R342/R355] No it worst, both dated Bobby Brown. So Madonna and Janet have that in common.

so many of her concerts cancelled thru the yrs as no one bought tix

why u think she gold dug herself a rich Saudi prince

bleach baby bleach....

Sorry girls, but your little Baja Fresh memes are tired and played. They never really took off. Still sputterin’ at ground zero.

Awww, R364 took all that time to break down my post and still managed to say a bunch of nothing. It’s all true, dearie. UNBREAKABLE debuted at #1 solely based on physical store bought copies and digital sales ALONE. That it did so without the benefit of a ton of promo while HAGdonna’s inferior REBEL FART plopped out at #2 behind a weeklong barrage of promo only says what we’re already keenly aware of—that nobody gives a shit about the HAG anymore. And yes, UNBREAKABLE also made Janet one of only three artists in history to have a #1 album in each of the last four decades and the ONLY black artist to achieve this feat, so you can take this bit of trivia, marinate on it and then go sit your racist ass down in a corner somewhere.

P.S., don’t worry about UNBREAKABLE’s sales, darling. It’s an indie album and sold just fine. In fact, it’s sold more in the states than REBEL FART has to date. Lol!

And, about that top 10 single...

Janet’s 1995 single “Runaway” was the FIRST single by a female artist to DEBUT in the Hot 100 top 10, which was something that “Borderline”, “Lucky Star” or anything else released by HAGdonna, Stevie Nicks, or anybody else was able to achieve beforehand. Don’t believe it? Look it up. And prepare to be dazzled by Janet’s greatness and befuddled by your own everlasting stupidity.

R372?

Madonna is the number 1 selling female artist of all time. Of all time.

Madonna is the 4th highest selling music artist of all time. Of all time.

She is preceded only by The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson.

Janet Jackson barely makes the list now and slips further down it due to career irrelevance and overwhelming public disinterest each year... Soon - she will be off the list.

[bold]Madonna wont...[/bold]

[quote]Cher wouldn’t hire Janet to scrub her toilets

Well, they both employed legendary manager Roger Davies for a time, so there’s that...

[quote]Madonna won’t...

Ever be relevant again.

[quote]UNBREAKABLE debuted at #1 solely based on physical store bought copies and digital sales ALONE.

Nope, Retard R372.

Nope, idiot. The Uber thing wasn’t until weeks later.

[quote] Janet’s 1995 single “Runaway” was the FIRST single by a female artist to DEBUT in the Hot 100 top 10, which was something that “Borderline”, “Lucky Star” or anything else released by HAGdonna, Stevie Nicks, or anybody else was able to achieve beforehand. Don’t believe it? Look it up. And prepare to be dazzled by Janet’s greatness and befuddled by your own everlasting stupidity.

You do know that after 1991, which was when Billboard began tracking with SoundScan, records and albums were constantly debuting in the Top 10 and at #1, so it would not have been possible for all those songs you named to be able to do that, including anything from Control or Rhythm Nation, since they were released prior to 1991?

Of course you do, but you're a liar and you can't comprehend fact.

[quote]Nope, idiot. The Uber thing wasn’t until weeks later.

That's not helping your already weak argument, Retard/R377.

Janbot?

[bold]NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR CONTINUAL LIES AND BULLSHIT! NOBODY BELIEVES ANYTHING YOU WRITE HERE! NOT ONE WORD OF IT YOU DELUDED FUCK![/bold]

Ohhhhh, so Jabba admits there was an Uber giveaway? I seem to remember Jabba called us all liars about that. What's next, Jabba? Gonna slip about the Baja Fresh commercial?

R374, Roger Davies is still Cher's manager and has been for 20 years. He dumped Janet in 2002. The guy likes to represent performers who make money, can sell out tours don't play fairs.

[quote]Gonna slip about the Baja Fresh commercial?

She's still pissed that we exposed the fact that you could find a copy of Unlistenable at the bottom of every KFC bucket sold in Detroit.

There was no Baja Fresh commercial

There never will BE a Baja Fresh commercial

It doesn’t matter how hard you will it to be, it never will be

Sorry not sorry

Correction for lamebrain R382: Janet dumped Davies in 2004 because it was his idea for her to offer the taped SB apology, which she didn’t want to do in the first place because it wasn’t intentional. But even that wasn’t enough for Les Moonves, who proceeded to try and railroad her career because she didn’t call him crying ala Justin Timberfaggot.

Speaking of SoundScan, 1993’s janet. album was the first album by a female to debut at #1 during that era. Madonna’s Erotica didn’t even make the cut.

R385, wrong. Davies was done with Janet in 2002. He's not one of the most successful managers ever by continuing with losers.

So can you explain:

1) why madonna’s total album sales to date is 3X more than janet’s. Madonna is also in the Guinness record for the best selling female artist of all time.

2) why madonna’s touring is hundred times more successful than Janet’s. She’s currently the highest touring artist of all time male or female

3) why madonna was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in her first year of eligibility while Janet has been nominated for the 3 time of 12 years of eligibility

Please explain these points and then we talk. Don’t be an low class uneducated ignorant person.

From a 1999 Billboard article of the most successful acts of the decade, guess who didn’t even make top 5?

Read the comments at this NYT article.

Janbot has clearly made a comment and the replies look exactly like a standard Datalounge thread. Nobody thinks she deserves to be inducted because she's completely talentless.

Just fascinating.

Fascinating? Puh-lease. The loons who’ve infiltrated that thread (which I can’t be bothered to read) with their non-factor opinions are more than likely DL crazies trying to prove some kind of point. Truth is, they don’t have one. Janet Jackson deserves to be inducted into the RNR HOF and she has the decades-long career, the influence and the highly-decorated resume to back it up, so those bitter ninnies can crow until they’re blue in the face, but it’s all for naught. The Rock Hall CEO has even gone on record as saying that she should be in, and that if Madonna is in then Janet certainly should be in, which is the truth. In fact, the Future Rock Legends forum has many people who say the same.

[quote]Janbot has clearly made a comment

Sorry to disappoint you dear, but no.

Do the awarded artists get to chose who inducts them and who performs?

Like did Madonna choose Justin Timberlake and the Stooges?

This year's class should be, in order of importance:

Kraftwerk, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, LL Cool J, Roxy Music.

Runners-up: MC5, The Zombies.

^^No.

Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, The Cure and Chaka should be the inductees.

Just checked the current vote results: Janet still chugging along in a distant 6th.

R393, the inductees do not choose.

Rock Hall reps say the committee chooses presenters for each act by looking for connections and a deep appreciation so that the presenters can speak from the heart.

Bon Jovi got to choose last year,

[R398]

The committee must have really dislike Frank Zappa. They chose Lou Reed to present his award. Those two hated each other, and the bad blood was initiated by Zappa.

Zappa's family was really bother about the selection. I imagine they were really concerned about what Reed would say, but Reed took the high road.

[quote]Just checked the current vote results: Janet still chugging along in a distant 6th.

And guess what, toots? Not only is she getting in, but she’s the highest trending and the lead Rock Hall story.