R106, are you being disingenuous? You're not even indicating the precise language by others when you say:
[quote] Some people on this thread have bitched that it is unfair that lesbians get all the breaks. (Which is kind of offensive to lesbians who get treated pretty fucking harshly just like gay men in real life.) Being upset by the idea they might make Elsa canonically gay before doing something better than Josh Gad's attempt to flirt in Beauty and the Beast is kind of mean spirited.
R74 said this:
[quote] [R73], that's how it works. They go first b/c they're less threatening to masculinity-obsessed Americans who see a threat in gay men. They get comfy w/ the lesbians (straight guys always say "lesbians are hot," and kind of put themselves in a corner w/ re to gay men, but it takes a bit of time). It's a whole thing.
[quote] Then certain other groups will horn in after gay men are eventually depicted... lol
R85 said this:
[quote] [R84], we're taking about overtly gay characters in popular culture. It's easier for the general public to grow somewhat comfortable with lesbians than gay men. You know this.
[quote] Straight dads joke about hoping their daughters turn out to be lesbians (e.g., Howard Stern). They never joke about hoping their sons turn out to be gay.
Please carefully read and consider this (if helps if you're a lawyer, but whatever):
Where's the "bitching" about it being "unfair that lesbians get all the breaks"?
R74 and R85, at most, are making observations about American society, and are acknowledging some prejudice they perceive, where the prejudice is based on the insecurity of American men in relation to their masculinity (the straight men making the decisions are more threatened by gay men than gay women, and if they must choose, they'll opt for the former).
There's no judgment about lesbians "getting all the breaks." It's just an assessment of who's likely to come first and why. There is NO judgement in those statements about lesbians and women. At most , there's a sardonic tone that's critical of American masculinity and American straight men.
R106:
[quote] Being upset by the idea they might make Elsa canonically gay
Where is the upset? You're reading a tone that isn't there.
Please try to read objectively. There is no judgment of lesbians, nor is there resentment at the prospect of their "being first"; you're reading judgment into it. There is at most judgment of the insecurity of straight men and observations of how that might relate to their preference for a lesbian vs. a gay male Disney prince/princess.
Do you see? If you don't, can you please quote the language in any of the posts above that is in any way judgmental or critical of lesbians coming first in and of itself? Any critical tone is solely related to American society and American straight men.
When someone says "I bet they're going to opt for the leaf blower rather than use a broom," there is no inherent criticism in that. People mistakenly read things with their own biases about what others are implying in their words (e.g., most people hate leaf blowers, so the sentence must be critical in tone -- totally untrue given only the sentence in question).
Can you please point to the critical language you're basing your statement that someone in the posts above "bitched that it is unfair that lesbians get all the breaks."?
