Male Opera Singer Says He Was Raped By Classical Music Gay Power Couple

Is it everywhere?

If you're gonna rape someone at least pick a good-looking victim, for Christ's sake!

Maybe he was better looking eight years ago.

[quote]The couple is so highly regarded that they were married in 2014 by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Oopsies.

R3 Nope, he had buttah face back then too.

I think he looks fine. Definitely not "expose myself to rape charges down the road" hot. But i'd swpie right on tinder

From 2010

David Daniels got fat.

Another picture

#MeToo

Good Morning Chicago

Good Night Washington

He seems exhausting.

ISHC

I had to hide the poster who keeps posting photo after photo of this guy's awful face.

It's 8:20AM on the West Coast. I don't need to look at any more of that this early in the morning.

I believe him.

Photo of the rapists, enjoying some Glühwein in Vienna. We absolutely love gay couples who look like like twins around here, don't we?!

Why'd it take him so long to come forward? Is the question.

Twins, R17? I've heard of twins born days apart, but not decades.

I really hate the gay-couples-as-brothers meme. I know it's hard for some people to look at a picture of two men being affectionate, but suggesting they're brothers or twins is homophobic.

Now, back to piling on the rape allegations...

R17, they don't look remotely like twins.

I think the guy looks just fine in OP's pic, but I'm surprised the statute of limitations hasn't elapsed on any potential crime.

DNA evidence perhaps?

R21 even if there is DNA that only proves they slept together.

I absolutely believe him. I was raped as a kid and I didn't say anything about it for years because I thought nothing would be done. Meanwhile, ten years after my rapist attacked me, he was convicted for raping another guy. He spent 8 months in the county jail. God only knows how many others he raped. If you've never been raped, you really have no business commenting on rape unless it's to be helpful. I'm truly sorry you're not hot enough for someone to rape you r15, r5, r2.

Barry, quick call our lawyer, and oh....it says "classical music" power couple. Never mind. Back to the Jeff L. drama.

Once these allegations first come to a media outlet, it can take months of research before they can publish anything.

Have some compassions DLers. Although the victim is even uglier than the rapists....

He's white in R11 but became Mexican by R12.

But was it rape-rape?

Was he wearing something provocative?

[quote]Was he wearing something provocative?

The way he's sitting in OP's picture tells me he was looking for it. That's the lean of someone who's looking for some backdoor action.

R23 only 8 months? that's pathetic

Under other circumstances it sounds like it could have been a hot threeway. My guess is they DP’ed him - hence the bloody anus

The Times weighs in.

R23, I'm very sorry for what you went through.

Never you mind the assholes here.

r32 DP someone who's unconscious? I'm having a hard time picturing how that's even physically possible.

[QUOTE]Under other circumstances it sounds like it could have been a hot threeway. My guess is they DP’ed him - hence the bloody anus

Every time I hook up with a couple, they are so hot to do this. I've only agreed to do it once and it was just really confusing and unsatisfying (for me). No thank you.

It makes me ashamed to be a man when another man cries rape. It’s simply not possible. There I said it.

R37 is blocked for me.

r37 The man was unconscious. You're either illiterate or a virgin.

The victim singing opera.

FWIW mezzo Susan Graham and William Lacey, the conductor of the opera during the run of which the alleged rape took place say the events of the evening in question were not as Schultz represented. Both posted this on critic Anne Midgette's public FB page.

It seems both Graham and Lacey, along with several others, had been invited to the couple's apartment. According to Lacey, he left quite late, and Schultz left before he did. So no "luring" him solo to the apartment, unless Daniels and hubby looked him up after all the others had gone which based on what Lacey says, seems unlikely. Both he and Graham are really adamant about this, and who knows? They may be needed as witnesses at some point.

Very strange.

Susan and Lacey saying it didn't happen AT ALL--ie not that it was consensual, that there was a misunderstanding, etc.

R35 it’s arguably easier to DP an unconscious lubed up guy than convincing a sober one...

Accused rapist couple are hot, as fuck. Would let me DP me, lots

r41 Oy. I don't know if Graham and Lacey should be speaking so confidently about this. They only know what happened while they were there. Besides, they should be talking to the police, not gossiping through Midgette's FB.

I hope his fartbox is okay now.

It wasn't rape-rape.

There's an SVU episode coming out of this mess, right?

Leave it to DL to Sherlock this... I would have never thought that they DPed him, but now that makes perfect sense given the victim's description of the morning after... sad, if true.

I believed him when I read his Facebook post about being raped back in July. And I and a few others wondered if DD was the rapist. I wouldn't put anything past him. I've known him since our CCM days when he was trying to be a tenor. It is all so sad for everyone. He was a great singer for many years. This is a huge scandal in classical community. My cell is blown up with group texts discussing this.

[quote]If you've never been raped, you really have no business commenting on rape unless it's to be helpful.

[quote]I'm truly sorry you're not hot enough for someone to rape you

And this from the same person, wow. Sounds like YOU have no business commenting on rape.

R51, don’t mind Whoopi. She’s drunk again.

He looks like Vladimir Putin’s lovechild

I did the dp thing one time only,and though drunk I found it extremely difficult to relax and very uncomfortable.I dont doubt his story,but I doubt it was dp.It could have just been a rough fuck.If those assholes did drug and rape him they should be held accountable. Its too easy to find a willing partner to pull this kind of shit.

Like I always say -- never trust a countertenor.

Or Cagney & Lacey, R48

He needs to be told it's not rape if you say "Yes."

R37 moron and rotten human being

[quote] I really hate the gay-couples-as-brothers meme. I know it's hard for some people to look at a picture of two men being affectionate, but suggesting they're brothers or twins is homophobic.

Oh fuck off, asshole.

Damn! This sounds like a 'drop the soap' opera.

I love opera but I've hated countertenors going back to Alfred Deller. If you must insist on producing an early work that depends on a male castrato, cast it with the former practice of using a strong female mezzo, which is actually much closer to the original sound intended (although far from exactly). Countertenors use this light voice to get through the notes. The original castrati had strong, powerful male voices with a female range.

I also voted r37 for F&F.

If this person wants to do something, then they can go to the police. But they went public. They want publicity.

[quote]I really hate the gay-couples-as-brothers meme. I know it's hard for some people to look at a picture of two men being affectionate, but suggesting they're brothers or twins is homophobic.

Not homophobic. (Homophobic???) Just idiotic.

This will push us back. Remember when Spacey mixed up gay with predator. Each case like this will make life worse for all gay men.

Hmm:

Oh Ruth:

R63, it's "he," not "they." Learn some damn grammar, Only ONE person is claiming rape.

...grammar. Only.....

Thought couple was hot and innocent until the two recent pics here. Now I think they fat, fug and guilty. Hang them!

I've been with guys who do so many drugs and so often that they don't realize how fucked up they get. They also don't know when they're with someone who isn't used to that. These old queens probably thought they were "just partying" with some cute guy and he was too naive to say no.

I personally know all the singers mentioned and am deeply saddened and shocked. I’m heart goes out to Sam and I hope mr Daniels will pay accordingly.

[quote]I’m heart

Your soul.

The weirdest part of the story to me is that both of the couple went out to eat or get food leaving the trick behind. That doesn’t seem logical or well advised on any front.

They knew he was out, r74.

Why would they leave him at their house so he could call the police right over to the house?

That's how drugged he was.

They probably arranged the sex and then they drugged him.

I dunno. One time I went to a party and saw a couple I had met many times before. They were much “faster” than me and were very social. When they invited me back to their place later I was flattered and happily went. We had another round of drinks - they definitely were more accustomed to drinking hard alcohol. Long story short I woke up in the middle of the night with them spit roasting me from either end. I fell back asleep. The next morning when I woke up and felt my ass it was clearly full of cum.

I don’t feel I was raped. I put myself into a situation that was more than I could handle. I could easily have consented verbally or physically with no memory. I don’t blame the couple, I just chose to move on and not socialize with them alone again.

He’s never not been fat R8, and I’ve known him for nearly two decades.

OK, R59, I'll play: If it's not homophobic to suggest a gay couple are siblings, then why do so many people (conservatives, mostly) do it and when corrected, recoil in disgust? Do you not get why it's homophobic to suggest that a homosexual couple are siblings simply because they're both the same gender? Have you lived in a bubble your entire life and never heard one of the religious right's most disgusting arguments, that "god" intended men to fuck women and that's why the imaginary man-in-sky gave them "complimentary" body parts?

I’m sorry r79, that sounds like rape to me. It sounds like an awful experience. I went through something similar in 1998. It took me years to admit that I was sexually assaulted. I’m still suffering from the aftereffects of it. It was probably not gonna stand up in court because I consented and only asked him to stop when he became more aggressive. It would have been impossible to convict him for what he did to me.

He sings:

Rehearsal:

I listen to opera and classical singing a lot and can often identify (famous) singers from "blind" listening tests. But I swear I can't tell these countertenors apart. Daniels, Asawa, Mehta, Jaroussky, Cencic, Fagioli, Sabata, all of them. I guess I'm missing something. Oh well.

Hey, classical musician on this thread, what's Cencic's story? The makeover is so drastic it's comical.

Serious question. Who fucks an unconscious person, male or female? What's the pleasure in it?

Cencic is a German obsession. The Germans have HORRIBLE taste in singing voices.

My goodness, r87, the Germans sure can produce them.

I want to see the doctor’s report for this alleged anal damage.

R81: too much. The whole "we aren't cisgendergered" bullshit when we have a cock brain and a cock between our legs because of the cock that we were born with that those wimpy little ftms are jealous of is a far more important offence to be concerned wth.

Lord ,if I cried rape for every drunken regretted fuck Id spend the rest of my life giving depositions.

R91, are you a floozy, by chance?

What is "DP?"

Denver Police, Rose.

R93, two men went up into the man.

R68, it's people like R63 who make life worse for all gay men!

R19/81, it is not homophobic to comment on the similarity between two men who have the same haircut, eyeglass frames, face shape, and build. Many such couples also dress alike. Nobody called them twins because they were showing affection.

R86, yes. Baffling. They might as well have used beef liver. Then they could have had it for dinner.

r98 Given the age difference between Daniels and Schultz, more like chicken liver.

Data Lounge, I ask you this question: I was once taught that rape is not a crime of lust or passion, it is a crime of control. Is it possible that one or both of the accused were intimidated by the alleged victim? Possibly intimidated or jealous professionally?

The victim may decide to take on some of the blame, but this was no clandestine meeting of strangers. The alleged victim knew the couple professionally. What would make him think he was in danger?

I truly am afraid to think of what I would do if I woke up in the condition the alleged victim found himself in. Make the jokes about it, but I do not find this situation funny.

There would be more blood certainly...but it would not be mine I fear. I would channel Ms Joan Crawford in the movie Straight Jacket. "RUN BITCHES, YOU IN DANGER GIRLS". Maybe The Honorable Bader-Ginsburg also does funerals?

R92 NO, he can't be a floozy--YOU'RE the floozy!

How is this possible? I though every man into classical music was a bottom.

[quote][R93], two men went up into the man.

—Anonymous

for clarification: simultaneously (cf: "pass around bottom": sequentially)

R90 OK I'm blocking anyone who tries to derail a legit thread into a tranny debate. R100 sounds about right. I'd like to see a gay Tarantino style revenge story set in the Opera world.

Beautiful Bach:

Let's be frank.

Counter-tenors are slightly creepy— and they had to be used here to represent the love call of the homosexual—

David Walker did a few operas nude, including "The Incoronation of Poppea". Wish I could have seen him; he was very cute.

Depraved. He is brave to come forward. Everyone should only be wishing him well. The drugging of their victims a la Cosby is extraordinarily heinous.

You guys who have known Daniels for decades, what do you think about this? Does he have a reputation of sleeping with a lot of people?

Someone on Anne Midgette's FB said that he had been known to sleep with his students when he was a visiting professor at her university.

I bet their thick penises were edging to this music.

The climax, the pumping and spurting erupts just afterwards.

Well, I just read through much of the thread on Midgette's FB page. Man, talk about a nest of vipers. And yes, there is Susan Graham and William Lacy swearing up and down that they know it did not happen and that there were "other factors" in the young singers life that were traumatizing him at the time. I frankly think they are making a big mistake coming out like this before all the facts are out. It could ruin their own reputations. Anyway, the big thing to me is: this guy has absolutely nothing to gain from this and everything to lose. He might never sing again in any company that likes Daniels. Daniels has a ton of power in this industry.

He does, that’s why he should be taken down

Sadly, I know DD but I believe this kid. I also think it will blow over unless more guys come forward. Then David's career is over but he's not been singing too well for over a decade so his future depends on teaching.

It must be a generational thing - but when I get a secret invitation for late evening cocktails in a gay couple’s hotel room - I’m kinda assuming it’s not to play Yahtzee.

I am not defending or justifying the couple’s behavior- but we can’t put safety railings around everything. Even if the couple gets convicted, the rape/trauma doesnt get undone. You have to mitigate your own risk.

R96: Sorry but no. When you suffer a crime you go to the police not to social media to denounce it.

If you think you have no proves and that you are going to lose the case and only suffering with the whole process you can tell you experience but of course you don't name your aggressors because in that case you are going to a trial anyway.

The whole Me too movement is messy. There are equating things that are not remotely equal. It's not the same being raped that being asked to have sex to get a role and of course it's not the same being threatened to destroy your career than a politian touching your leg in an interview in the 70's. Everything is bad, but not remotely equally bad.

This guy was not a minor when this happened, i understand not reacting at the moment because you are in shock, but 8 years are a lot of years to wait. I know some people get validated now by the less tolerant moment to sexual abuses but we have several examples of false testimony and he better has something to back his words or he will be crushed on court.

We had that case with the australian comic that the supposed victim thought he'll be simply believed because he said he is straight and the accuser gay, even after the pollice told him there were no case at all

Very sloppy

NO! WAIT!

Wait a second r116, the man was drugged without his knowledge. His right to decide what he wanted was taken from him. That is a crime. What does he have to gain from this?

When we're done talking about rape, can we move on to FOLLIES?

R119: First, that's what he says, but even if he is telling the truth telling your story first is not the best way. If you were really raped, go to the police and get justice and then tell the world if you want.

But i get suspicious of people who seem to prefer the attention of the media. And if he wants vengeance and destroy the reputation it seems the best way, so yes, he has things to gain doing this.

At least he is making his claims clear and showing who he is and not like the anonymous woman who claimed that Anziz Ansari abused her in a date

Wow, no matter HOW it went down, that couple who drugged and then double-teamed him are total skeevy pervs.

I never expected to see the words "countertenor" and "rapist" in the same sentence.

Unless it was in the program for some obscure Baroque opera.

It ain't over till the fat guy cums.

The idea that rape is never about sex and always about power is one of those myths so dumb that only a feminist could make it up.

Hopefully this guy has some proof and it's not just he said/they said, because the social media stuff makes him look like he's out for attention.

R125 I agree. We’ve been sold a bill of goods with this rape is about power not sex bs, Of course it’s about sex! If it truly was the attacker would use his fists. Rape is always about sex because of how it feels. Power is a distant secondary reason.

R126 if it was about sex they wouldn't have felt the need to knock him unconscious first.

I hope they get nailed to the fucking wall in prison.

OK so if its a pur sexual drive with no fucked up power dynamic let's see how many options they had, as a wealthy, OK looking gay couple.

1. They could have fucked each other. 2 . they could have used an app to find a willing participant for free. 3. They could have paid a willing participant. 4. They could have gone to a club that caters to that kind of thing. 5. They could have invited a friend over, asked them first. 6. They could have refrained from drugging him. 7. They could have refrained from fucking him while he was unconscious.

They could have done a whole bunch of things to save themselves from their current predicament. They chose to put themselves at risk of an accusation. I don't feel bad for them st all.

Where do these people find the time? Drugging, raping and then opera? It sounds like a bad opera. To me anyone who claims #metoo caused him to come out on Twitter and announce that he was raped eight years ago by two men,who have never been in any sort of scandal before or since, screams I want attention. It is tantamount to calling someone a modern day Communist. He wants us to be the judge and jury because he was too fearful, as an adult, to run straight to the police and make a report at the moment it happened. Back then a rape kit and blood work would have backed him up. Now we have to be convinced of his honesty by the bravery that is unfairly lavished upon the #metoo movement. As an attorney I would tell you it is dangerous to use social media to defame people without evidence. I would also say that the publicity one might gain is never going to help them in the long run. I also doubt two big holes in his confession: he took a drink when he doesn't drink and suddenly blacked out? That sounds like a bad spy movie. And second he only did this once one of them earned tenure? As if tenure secures the fact that they will rape more. Fame and attention are such powerful drugs that people will do anything to gain them. Anything. And I will bet you he didn't meet with a lawyer before he decided to openly accuse two people of rape eight years ago. The real problem here is the failure to take responsibility for one's own actions and the huge desire to be a victim.

[quote]It ain't over till the fat guy chums.

BRAVO, R124!!

r129, your post smacks of victim blaming. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure he is telling the truth, but many many people wait years--usually out of guilt and shame--before they admit they were raped or molested. The eight-year time span is not at all unusual. Susan Graham implicated strongly that the sex between them was consensual. It might have been except for the claim that he was drugged. If he was indeed drugged it certainly was not consensual.

[quote] Long story short I woke up in the middle of the night with them spit roasting me from either end. I fell back asleep. The next morning when I woke up and felt my ass it was clearly full of cum.

I don't mean to make it sound like I'm doubting your story, but isn't "spit roasting" where a guy is getting fucked and sucking cock at the same time? I can understand you being fucked while you were asleep, but I've never heard of anyone snoozing through getting throat fucked. So perhaps one of us is misunderstanding the term.

R131: Yes, a lot of people wait years, but those don't go to tell their stories on social media first and there's a good reason for that, rape is something difficult to prove, unless there are witness (which is not usual) a victim will get a lot of difficulties proving it was not consensual sex.

When you denounce after years, proving that it was rape is even more difficult. Unless they are serial rapists and more victims appear, he has almost zero chances of win the case (specially when other people say he was not lured into their house alone).

But if he tells his story he gets in fact vengeance because he seriously damage their reputation. Of course that comes with a cost, because he could be the one landing in jail if they sue him.

Right now it's his word against them and unless he is able to prove that he was in fact raped nobody really knows what happened but the three men

And no, i'm not the one who believes someone just because it goes public and we have the George Takei case to prove that some people in fact lie about serious things like this (we even had people who injured themselves to get in the media)

R125 why do attractive people who could easily find partners commit rape?

Attractive? Wrong thread, 134. Ombra mai phew.

R134 I meant in general. But speaking about this particular case, this bottom probably would have willing taken both of them on. But when they knock you out and do God knows what to do while your are unconscious, why?

Eh, why not?

R135 R135 'Ombra mai phew' sounds like some pun which most of us won't understand.

R136 because the issue is power.

If they just wanted sex they could get it.

They want to use, control, and feel power over another human being.

Anyone who thinks rape is just another sex act with no power dynamic is such a fucking imbecile I'm surprised they can reason enough to type.

Any news on this at all? Has Daniels made a statement other than saying "It's not true"?

His statement: Lascia ch'io pianga mia cruda sorte, e che sospiri la libertà.

Potresti piangere il tuo crudo destino, ma non chiederci di sospirare con te!

R141 it seems likely that Daniels and Walters have been (wisely) advised to make no public statements beyond a flat denial, at least until the inquiries by UM and the Houston police have reached their conclusions.

So basically this is impossible to prove. The only chance this guy has is if other guys come out with similar stories. So far....crickets.

Well, the story broke only a few days ago. Any other guys are possibly mulling it over/contacting attorneys.

We'll see.

I hate countertenors. And they sound nothing like the castrati whose roles they usually play. Those roles today should generally be played by mezzo sopranos, which used to be the standard practice.

R147 They do seem rather creepy and it seems most of them ARE homosexual.

Nevetheless, I'm told Andreas Scholl is a nice man.

[quote]And they sound nothing like the castrati

right, we all remember how those boys sounded and if not we can just go out and buy their latest releases.

the stupid....it burns

A few points for R149,

1. We have records (a recording) of at least one real castrati.

2. We have descriptions from scores of educated people (many music critics, famous composers, writers from the 19th century going back) of how castrati sounded. How they were trained. How they produced the voice. In what size theatres they sang. (Hell, we still have the fucking theatres.) We know (from people's writings) how loud they sounded--or didn't, since this is one of the shortcomings of countertenors--in relation to normal sopranos: to people singing in their normal register, as opposed to a falsetto.

Was he raped yesterday? If not, I am not interested.

Thank you, r150.

R152, right back at ya, kiddo.

To me this sounds a lot like a meth-addled hookup on the part of the alleged assaulters. Though I'm not interested in T myself, I've hooked up with guys who were high on the stuff. They often are disinhibited to the point of doing stuff that is really unhinged. They fantasize about and sometimes follow through with shit that makes normies shake their heads. I could totally imagine 2 guys who are high on T - or possibly another substance - saying to each other, "let's get him wasted and fuck him."

This wasn't rape in the feminist, power-driven idea of domination by threat or force. It was sexual assault because the person who got his ass fucked so hard he bled was rendered unconscious against his will and therefore never consented. The rapists in this situation are cowardly, because they weren't willing to have sex on egalitarian terms, by negotiating sex with their partner. They needed to be wasted and to get their partner wasted in order to follow through.

Does Daniels have a rep as being 'fast'? Does he seduce a lot of people?

He has a rep for being a douche

Yes, R155, and I’ll be surprised if there aren’t more to come out against him. Although I’ve never heard of rape allegations, he has a long history of harassment pretty much everywhere he’s worked. Of course, he got away with it because he was a star in the opera world. Many were taking bets on how long he’d last at U Mich before he’d be fired for harassing a freshman or something. It ended up not being a student (so far,) but it took about two years.

Fascinating. Thanks for the info.

Never, ever heard of these two guys, and I follow opera. Perhaps more European opera tbh. This could be why.

DD met his current husband during another rape of this nature.

Omg, is that Nathalie Dessay in the picture from the NYT article? In that case, the guy's famous - by American standards.

I also prefer mezzos to countertenors, if this adds to the debate. This could be because I'm a lesbian. Also I wouldn't put anything past the mezzo I'm most a fan of, so there. Still a fan, but like they say in Mildred Pierce... is wonderful singer. The girl... is something else.

Interesting story, R79. I've been with people like that. I can't follow. I'm not a "fast" person, not ambitious either. So usually the evening/night's just awkward, doesn't lead anywhere and I just move on.

R85, here's a comment on Jaroussky from a colleague: "Oh yes, Jaroussky. The audience loves him". No better shade (ombra mai fu, if you will).

R79, did you just wake up and one of the guys was pumping his D in and out of your mouth? How do you spit-roast an unconscious person? I'm just curious.

That's one really castrato, R150.

R164: He must be a great actor then. I watched him in several interviews and he was charming and likeable

Oh, I've personally no idea. Never met him nor even ever saw him live. He's not my type, but I don't really like countertenors. The quote was from one of his colleagues in an interview.

R79, you were raped. From what you described, there is no way that your consent was willingly given. Those men got you drunk or drugged you, and they forced themselves on you. You blacked out.

R162, who is it?

Oh... no no no. I can't do that. Can't play with fire. Besides, I don't know anything. Really don't. It's more of a feeling from what I've seen and I'm usually not wrong. But I really don't know a thing.

R171, can I ask if she is a living/still working mezzo or a mezzo from the past?

(My first thought was Fiorenza Cossotto.)

[quote]OK, [R59], I'll play: If it's not homophobic to suggest a gay couple are siblings, then why do so many people (conservatives, mostly) do it and when corrected, recoil in disgust? Do you not get why it's homophobic to suggest that a homosexual couple are siblings simply because they're both the same gender? Have you lived in a bubble your entire life and never heard one of the religious right's most disgusting arguments, that "god" intended men to fuck women and that's why the imaginary man-in-sky gave them "complimentary" body parts?

Oh, you’re a special kinda shithead, aren’t you? NOBODY is suggesting that these people are related. We are suggesting that it’s weird--not to mention vain as FUCK--to be in a relationship with another person whose looks are so similar that you could pass for brothers. That’s not implying incest nor is it homophobic. It’s simply making fun of someone with an ego so big they just have to date a reflection of themselves.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I mean, nearly everyone on the planet prefers mezzos to countertenors. When Daniels first came to prominence (more than 10 years ago), there were many critics who had serious objections to this kind of singing, but noted that he and his career were being funded by the most powerful publicist/manager in opera. (Is that guy still alive?) That manager shoved Daniels down people's throats and into production bookings when no one was showing up to Daniels's recitals or particularly wanted to hear him live.

I was molested.

Let's just say she's the kind of person used to having her way. But isn't it like that with all big names, though? Or most in any case.

I'll have to give Fiorenza Cossotto a listen, thanks for the recommendation R172!

R177, she was so great AND nutso.

Her Azucena is Trovatore is awesome.

^^^IN

Her Azucena IN Trovatore...

Sorry, guys.

Exceptional performer often goes with cray-cray... Sadly.

Lesbo opera fan, do you have somewhere we can talk? I can't now, but I'll come by tomorrow.

It takes a special kind of person to perform live in front of 4000 people with something as frail as the human voice. It's not like being an actor or playing an instrument or being the kind of singer who uses a microphone. The stress is enormous--and stress can ruin your voice. These people are HIGH STRUNG because anything can throw their voice out of whack (or ruin it for life) and then their career is over.

R181, I'm still hanging around at work, but perhaps when I get home I can devise a special DL email address :)

[quote]I dunno. One time I went to a party and saw a couple I had met many times before. They were much “faster” than me and were very social. When they invited me back to their place later I was flattered and happily went. We had another round of drinks - they definitely were more accustomed to drinking hard alcohol. Long story short I woke up in the middle of the night with them spit roasting me from either end. I fell back asleep. The next morning when I woke up and felt my ass it was clearly full of cum.

Yeah that happened to me. Either you blacked out due to a combination of alcohol and some kind of medication or they put G in your drink.

Lesboperafans, is Dolora Zajick gay?

An old family friend is an orchestral musician. I asked him if he had ever worked with Scott Walters. He has. I asked him if he thought it was true he said he 'wouldn't be at all surprised'.

I've only just read the account. I didn't realise he was only 23 and eager to network for his career. The whole thing makes me so sad.

Something sounds fishy about his story. How can your ass be full of come hours later when you wake up? It’s absorbed into the body fairly quickly, at least all the loads I take are. He probably mistook lube for come. Case dismissed.

He said his ass was bloody, r187.

Disgusting

How does opera even survive anymore? Outside of New York and a couple of other big cities there can't be many opera companies left in this country.

The Met is widely rumored to turning to Bankruptcy Court fairly soon. But I doubt it will go away for a long time. Maybe big changes though.

Interesting. I generally hate the sound of the countertenor voice. But people talked about DD (in his heyday) as if he were some sort of extraordinary musician. I just kept silent because I never thought the sound of his voice was that great.

Exactly R182. So they're not "regular people" in any way. What makes them capable of achieving that extraordinary thing doesn't necessarily make them good company in private, etc.

Sure r193, let's indict all opera singers for anything they're ever accused of and trash their personalities because they have special artistic qualities.

That is not what I said.

And, yes, someone can have exceptional talent and be a tad racist, for example. And oblivious to their own privilege. Still makes them exceptional performers.

We mustn't confuse exceptional artist with exceptional human being.

I don't know of this David person.

My opera singer friends basically said the same thing. Think of Jamie Levine, great director in his day, but not without a few bad tendencies

r197 Molesting kids is not a bad tendency! It's a fucking crime!

R195, and a person can also have exceptional talent and not be at all racist or oblivious to their privilege, such as they have.

bump

The silence on this story, after its initial reporting, is deafening.

Have the rapists been called in for questioning? Hounded on social media? Fired from any gigs?

Too bad the victim didn't immediately get a rape kit. Did he just take care of his bleeding asshole at home or did he seek any medical treatment (which would be documented)?

Let's get on it, boys.

r201 Yes. I'm not going to pretend that the three of them being gay has nothing to do with it. People are thinking that's just us gays being whores as usual.

R202, he said he immediately went for STD testing, and then started seeing a therapist. (The therapist, unnamed in the article, corroborated his story.)

Daniels has been put on leave from his teaching post at Univ of Mich. The Houston police are investigating.

Thanks for the update, R204. I'm glad that the police are actively investigating.

It's complicated. Artists are humans just like you and me, subject to the same foibles.

I'm not on Facebook. Is Susan Graham still yammering about what did and didn't happen while admitting that she wasn't there the whole time? It's too bad that she's inserted herself into this bloody shithole. (Wink.) I thought she was a fun presence hosting the Met in HD but now when I see her next I'll just be thinking she's blindly covering up for a pair of sex criminals.

R206 Speak for yourself. I don't consider drugging someone and fucking them bloody a 'foible'. A foible is Niles Crane wiping his chair before he sits down.

A foible is enjoying countertenor singing. BTW, thanks for the anecdote, r164.

Second accusation. This time in Michigan through the campus police, for solicitation in 2017. He will likely be charged.

Ugh . . .

In legal terms, does solicitation imply that money was offered? He was on Grindr, where guys ask for all kinds of sex acts all the time. I'd rather see charges moving forward to be the kind that will stick instead of just piling on.

I'm not a lawyer, but I would imagine that Daniels offered him money. ("Solicitation" is often the crime used against prostitution customers.)

We are all in trouble if asking guys to have sex on Grindr leads to charges....

To the other lesbian,

My new email address is DLoperalesbo@gmail.com if you want to write to me.

It will be a major problem for him if it was solicitation of a student.

Was he the one willing to pay or wanting to be paid?

um, how can you bring charges against someone for asking another person for a sex act ON GRINDR. That's what Grindr is FOR.

r218 That's why I asked my question in r212. It must have involved an offer of money.

Maybe Susan Graham is on Grindr. Surely she can clear this up for us.

Agree r212, this latest accusation seems very flaky. Apparently what Daniels did wrong was request a sex act on Grindr, no mention of money. Solicitation doesn't always involve prostitution and it's a misdemeanour. I wonder what the sex act requested was.

"The singer and the alleged victim exchanged messages on the gay dating app known as Grindr in February 2017, Harshberger said. He declined to elaborate on the nature of the messages other than to say Daniels is accused of asking for a sex act. Attempted solicitation is a misdemeanor, he said."

It’s apparently serious enough to warrant a complaint, police intervention, and possible prosecution, and this happened before the initial rape accusation went public on 8/22. He’s not going to be prosecuted for talking to someone on Grindr about sex, you silly queens. It’s possible it was an underage student, which wouldn’t be surprising given his proclivities. I bet Scott is seriously regretting having married David. I see a quickie divorce in their future.

R221, it's stated in the article the the student was 19 at the time. The student put himself on Grindr. Universities have strict regulations against relationships/sex between professors and students, so the student may have identified himself as such and Daniels still suggested sex, thus violating his contract with the university.

Reading is not r221's strong suit.

Try actually reading the article, R221.

That would still be an internal university problem. A teacher asking a student for sex breaks university protocol but it isn't against the law. This still doesn't make sense to me.

Mmm lots of angry oversexed old biddies here.

The only thing I can think of is that Daniels asked for something on Grindr that is completely depraved and illegal.

R221, the student went to the police before Schultz made his revelations public, but well after University of Michigan police forwarded Schultz's accusations to Houston police in July. It's an amazing coincidence that the Grindr student suddenly decided after two years to go to the police, just before the Schultz story broke. It's almost as though the student heard something on the grapevine about Schultz.

"Police at the University of Michigan forwarded the new allegations of a sexual assault in Houston in 2010 to the Houston Police Department in July. The victim last week identified himself to the Chronicle as opera singer and Rice University graduate Samuel Schultz."

r227 But what would be an example of a sex act that is illegal if it's between consenting adults and doesn't involve money? I'm beginning to think I don't get out enough.

I wouldn’t assume that this didn’t involve money. As is noted out upthread, the crime of solicitation is offering money for sex.

But solicitation is not always about prostitution, and why offer someone on Grindr money for sex when the whole point of them being on Grindr is to offer free sex?

This second case is a little curious.

R230, this kind of thing happens all the time. I have received Grindr messages from usually 19-21 year olds asking if I'm "generous" which is code for escorting.

This is what wikipedia says--

[quote] In the United States, solicitation is the name of a crime, an inchoate offense that consists of a person offering money or inducing another to commit a crime with the specific intent that the person solicited commit the crime. For example, under federal law, for a solicitation conviction to occur the prosecution must prove both that defendant had the intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony crime of violence, and that the defendant commanded, induced, or otherwise endeavored to persuade the other person to commit the felony.

So if it's not money for sex, then we would have to believe that Daniels was somehow compelling the kid to commit a crime for him.

(And consensual, not-paid-for sex is not a crime.)

r232 Ah. Maybe it involves drugs. Maybe the same drugs used to knock out Schultz. I haven't had lunch. I'm not thinking clearly.

Maybe he offered drugs for sex?

(I'm just guessing here.)

David has a long history with prostitutes. If he is being charged with solicitation, he offered money to the kid most likely.

There is also solicitation for sex, not only solicitation of "felony crimes of violence." Usually one of 2 things occurs: 1. The specific sex acts requested are illegal (e.g., bestiality, procuring minors); or 2. Money (or drugs) was offered. Another way illegal solicitation can happen is if the perp gets touchy with the victim, such as groping his genitalalia, while asking for sex. This in many jurisdictions is sexual assault. Depending on the jurisdiction, these crimes have different names, including assault, battery, solicitation, and importuning.

But the reverse is happening here, r231 - if you go along with the prostitution theory, Daniels is the one who offered the money, the 19 yeah old did not ask him if he was generous.

R230 is considerably naive. Apps and other online hookup resources are full of guys offering or seeking money and drugs in exchange for sex.

It's weird. If someone offered me money for sex, I'd simply turn them down. I wouldn't report it to the police. Bizarre!

Sad

Especially all of a sudden, two years later, when the person you're making the accusation against has another case against them, r239.

How do you know about "David's" long history with prostitution, r235?

r239 r241 The guy knew (or found out) that Daniels is famous in some circles. Maybe he was looking for some undeserved fame of the Kardashian variety.

curioser and curioser

Why the hell are you people finding it so hard to believe Daniels solicited sex for money? That's CLEARLY what " solicitation " means in this context.

Maybe he saw people online defending Daniels as a paragon of sexual virtue and thought he'd share his experience with the police for balance.

He went to the police before Schultz went public.

The solicitation charge might make more sense if it is the result of a pattern of behavior, possibly following a complaint by Grindr itself if TOS-violation notices were being ignored. If lots of younger guys in the area were being hit up and offered money for sex by a 50-something professor, Grindr would hear about it. To act, law enforcement would need to find someone willing to put his name to a complaint, hence the weird, long-delayed charge.

I don't think a misdemeanor-level offense would justify a broad investigation with multiple charges, witnesses, etc etc. A single, documented police report would probably be sufficient.

This is ONLY speculation, but the scenario makes more sense to me this way.

Known throughout the business for many years. He talks about it R242.

I'd like to see this story committed to film. By a kinky European.

Nobody wants to see a fat countertenor fuck, R250.

Not all countertenors are fat.

r249 Gross. It's like he's overcompensating for something.

r251 Most of today's famous countertenors are not fat at all: Davies (as r252 mentioned), Jaroussky, Fagioli, Cencic, Sabadus, Scholl, Mehta. If I left out anyone, I hope it's not someone who reads DL! Sabata is chunky.

Yaaaawwwwnnn R252.

Some countertenors are gay and handsome

They still sound like countertenors.

Is Jakub at r255 really gay?

If so he's husband material.

well, any news? my friend who goes to U of M says they were all emailed and told he was on leave and that it was being investigated.

[I bet Scott is seriously regretting having married David. I see a quickie divorce in their future.] r221

Scott was a party to the alleged rape that this thread is written about. Both of the accused men are POS. Save your worry and pity for Scott.

The more I listen to this video, the more it becomes clear that Manu's heart desire was to be a countertenor.

OT, I know. He loves opera though so he'll fit right at home here.

And how can you not love Chabat

Sorry for the OT.

r154 I feel that goes both ways, i.e. the alleged victim could've agreed to bring the drugs (the solicitation), used them, gone buck ass wild and regretted it. He may/may not remember everything, but he did both willingly. Whether or not the couple are assholes in their work lives isn't necessarily relevant.

Like all s/he said-s/he said scenarios, I put it at even odds.

R264, as I understand it, the guy who claims he was raped alleges that Daniels and his husband surreptitiously drugged him. In the solicitation case, there’s no allegation that Daniels and the victim ever met; instead, Daniels solicited him in some unspecified way, presumably with money or drugs. The second guy, from Grindr, presumably can document their exchange.

I can't wait to hear more facts on this story.

R266 Yes. Some facts would be useful.

I get the impression that only one example in the current hysteria has been acted upon by the police.

We need the facts, ma’am

Wonder how DD is celebrating Labor Day?

"...it's not to play Yahtzee. "

Of course not, R115. It's for Cribbage.

from WIKIPEDIA:

In July 2018 allegations that David Daniels and his husband drugged and raped a young singer in 2010 were made to the University of Michigan Police who then referred the matter to the Houston Police Department as that is where the rape occurred. Accounts of the rape and charges were published in several news outlets on August 22, 2018, including the New York Times, NPR, New York Daily News, Billboard, and The Advocate[5]. On Aug. 28, 2018, a second case, in Michigan, came to light.

Police have taken NO action.

Case Closed.

R272, how do you know that?

R273 The media have told us the Police have taken NO action.

The Case is Closed.

The latest news is from August 27th, saying the Houston Police is still investigating.

No word since then because it is still happening.

^^Houston Police Department is still investigating, that is

Someone posted this on FB:

[quote] From another young artist’s perspective, David Daniels and Bernard Uzan top the list of predators colleagues warn about. I could name more higher-ups that would fall more into the “casting couch” category, and DD and Uzan could also be accused of that, but known predators for sure. And young artists keep their mouths shut out of fear of never working again in this crazy competitive business.

R275 Yes, the latest news is from August 27th, which means the world has moved on from this tiny event.

5 inches. Once.

r278=David Daniels

We'll see.

The wheels of justice and all that...

R278 is literally a blocked troll.

The case is most certainly not closed R272. Keep dreaming.

they certainly are taking their time. i'm surprised no more guys have come forward.

Troll at R283.

r284= David Daniels

Daily News from Aug 28th

That was posted upthread on the day it came out R286.

Sorry missed this. Was the victim gay

Yes R288. Read the multiple articles in every major publication about it.

Don't be silly r289. I didn't come here to do research but to listen to info delivered in catty bitchy remarks like yours. I truly, no joke, enjoy it. So cunt away!

I just wonder what the fog of silence that has enveloped this case means. Is Daniels using his life savings to have the story buried?

Bernard Uzan looks creepy. Ascot-wearing creepy and totally gay. Also married to a woman.

Surely there are opera queens among the elder gays here? Spill the tea!

He doesn’t have any life savings R291. What money he made he spent. That’s why he’s teaching. I doubt he’ll be able to afford a lawyer much longer.

If only his asshole could talk, we could confirm the crime!

There are lots of other reasons opera singers go into teaching. Carol Vaness because her voice is shot. Sylvia McNair because she got sick. Marilyn Horne because, well, she's Marilyn Fucking Horne. I can see how for Daniels teaching is a way to feed his ego.

and fill his little black book.

And the silence is deafening.

The fact is most of the reading public doesn't care or even know about opera.

[quote]r42 Would let me DP me, lots

You do you.

^^ i mean r44

[quote]r79 I woke up in the middle of the night with them spit roasting me from either end. I fell back asleep.

Is this the epitome of [italic]jaded,[/italic] or what?

[quote]r129 As an attorney I would tell you it is dangerous to use social media to defame people without evidence.

If something's untrue, then it would be asking for trouble. But if someone is telling the truth, obviously they are free to talk about whatever's happened to them, in any forum they choose.

Wait until that Polish ballet dancer everyone here loves so much tells his story! Segei Polunin

What’s the latest news?

You’ve been waiting, so here’s the latest news. And U of M knew about this in advance. What little is left of Daniels’ career is over, and he’ll be fired by U of M in days. He is toxic.

Being fired is the least of his worries, he’s going to get jail time.

The guy in the article at R306 is a third victim.

Read the article: Daniels is toast (and fucking stupid).

WOW. That is damning. I can't imagine that he will recover from this. U of M may very well try to sweep this under the rug and pay off the victims, so Daniels may escape jail time, but his teaching career is OVER.

What’s described is serious sexual assault. Drugging adds to it. Work and job are not the worries. He’s going to jail.

The time to pay off the victims is before they file a federal suit. This guy complained to the university last year, and they did nothing.

The train has left the station.

Lol, David Daniels never had enough money to pay off a victim. He’s broke. He was living off his U of M salary, and now that’s gone. What little he may have will go to lawyers.

the university is in serious trouble over this if they knew and did nothing

Is there a role for an old WASP man as university chair in the TV film? Paging Glenn.

And this is what happens when morons get raped. Jesus.

God, he has the arms of a 50-year-old woman in that picture.

Yes, they are R313, and they will pay. That’s why the kid’s lawyer advised him to go after the Uni, and let the prosecutor deal with David.

[quote] God, he has the arms of a 50-year-old woman in that picture.

Try 60.

When the jury finds him guilty, and the officers of the court are leading him out to the prison door, I wonder if he'll stop and sing a song.

These are quotes from the DY News article:

Police in Pittsfield Township, Michigan, say Daniels improperly solicited a sex act from someone on the gay dating app Grindr back in February 2017.

“We have submitted a report of an alleged incident that occurred in February 2017 involving an attempted solicitation of a sex act via social media app Grindr and use of a computer for a criminal act,” Matt Harshberger, chief of the Pittsfield Township Police Dept., told the Daily News Tuesday.

IT'S EFFING GRINDR!! How the hell do you improperly solicit a sex act on a hook-up site? On a gay hook-up site? Was Daniels reported to authorities for spelling cock sucker or another term incorrectly?

R320, if Daniels offered money or drugs in exchange for sex, that would make it a law enforcement matter.

R320, that's a different guy.

R322, I understand that the Grindr story is a separate case, I should have tried to point that out in my post.

R321, I hadn't thought of the money/drugs angle. Interesting; still doesn't it seem a bit odd that a guy offers someone else money or drugs for a Grinr hook-up and that the recipient of the offer runs to law enforcement? Don't you just say "no" or block someone?

R321, I tend to think we'll find out more from the story.

[quote]Was Daniels reported to authorities for spelling cock sucker or another term incorrectly?

It was Grindr not Datalounge.

After reading the article posted by R306, it stands clear this Daniels character is a creep of the highest order.

And totally unknown outside his country run by a dictator.

R326, where are you from?

This is the cached Twitter account (now deactivated) of Andrew Lipian. Countertenor, husband and father of two, studied with @DavidDaniels.

Andrew Lipian is an odd character. He seems to be a Republican and a Trump defender and also is a member of the Ohio Air National Guard....

Daniels seems to have a type. Both the guys who are accusing him of rape look similar

Excerpts from publicly filed complaint in: UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN SOUTHERN DIVISION

ANDREW LIPIAN, an individual, Plaintiff, vs. Case No: 18-cv Hon. UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, and DAVID DANIELS, employee of the University of Michigan, sued in his personal and official capacity, jointly and severally, Defendants. This is an action for hostile environment and quid pro quo sexual harassment in violation of Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, 14. Beginning in Fall, 2016, Plaintiff was one of Daniels’s students at the University. In addition to attending his class, Daniels was Plaintiff’s Voice Professor, attending private sessions with him once a week. 15. Based upon Daniels’s continual promises of career assistance and his friendly overtures and encouragement, Plaintiff viewed Daniels as a professional mentor as well as his Professor. Daniels organized auditions for Plaintiff with top level conductors and agents visiting the University and promised to connect him with his own manager and additional professional opportunities. 16. Daniels is openly gay. 17. Plaintiff is heterosexual and married. 18. Daniels attempted to engage and encourage Plaintiff in Daniels’ own sexual preferences and proclivities. 19. Daniels told Plaintiff on many occasions that he was “really hot.” 20. In spite of being a University Professor, Daniels thought nothing of continually discussing sexual topics and activities with Plaintiff and other students with the expectation that his conduct would be accepted.

Part 2: 21. It was well known by faculty and administration at the SMTD that Daniels was extremely open about and forward with his sexual thoughts and feelings, including sharing sexual images and banter with them. But no administrator took any action to ensure that Daniels was not sexually harassing students. 22. Daniels apparently had little or no understanding of or training in the University’s Standard Practice Guide (SPG) on sexual harassment of students by faculty.26. On March 24, 2017, Daniels invited Plaintiff to his apartment to watch “Ru Paul’s Drag Race” because he was “lonely” and wanted to discuss Plaintiff’s “career.” 27. Plaintiff was served several drinks of bourbon. When he said he was tired and needed sleep for a performance the next day, Daniels handed him what he said was a Tylenol PM but was actually the sleep medication Ambien. Daniels then removed Plaintiff’s clothes, forced himself upon Plaintiff and groped and touched his genitals and face. 28. Shortly thereafter, Daniels told Plaintiff that he would likely be receiving a full fellowship for the two years of his master’s program. 29. Daniels was aware that Plaintiff sought to succeed professionally as a countertenor and offered his assistance in “opening doors” for him and providing him with counsel, advice and assistance. Daniels convinced Plaintiff that he was the key to Plaintiff having a professional career. 30. In September 2017 the SMTD “Recruitment Coordinator” told Daniels he should watch out for one of his students [not Plaintiff] who was complaining openly that Daniels was “sexual” during his voice lessons. 31. Daniels sent Plaintiff multiple text messages, including- requests for pictures of Plaintiff’s genitals - reiterating that he would “open doors” for Plaintiff professionally - requests for a video of Plaintiff masturbating - graphic pictures of a woman’s vagina - graphic pictures and videos of men’s genitals and masturbation - a video of Daniels masturbating - graphic sexual references and images - a reference to “our bourbon and ambien night.” 32. In spite of the multiple requests, Plaintiff never shared any sexual photos or videos of himself or sexual images of any kind with Daniels. He attempted to keep Daniels at bay, and to not offend or anger him while continuing his education. 33. In May, 2018 Daniels told Plaintiff that someone had sent an anonymous letter to the SMTD stating that Daniels had “come on” sexually to two SMTD students He later advised Plaintiff that a University administrator told him the letter was inconsequential and probably false.

Part 3: 34. In August, 2018, Daniels was publicly accused by a Rice University graduate student and opera singer of drugging and sexually assaulting him after a Houston Grand Opera performance in 2010. 35. Shortly after the allegation described above, Daniels was publicly accused by a 19-year-old male, believed to be a University student, of asking for a sex act in exchange for money via the gay dating app known as Grindr. Upon information and belief, The University of Michigan Police Department turned the matter over to the Pittsfield Township Police Department. 36. Both of the accusations were covered in the national media. 37. In August, 2018 a faculty member became aware of the sexual assault Plaintiff had been subjected to in 2017 and as a mandatory reporter, reported it to the University Office of Institutional Equity (OIE), part of the University’s Title IX office, which is responsible for an internal investigation of sexually harassing behavior by University faculty. 38. Plaintiff has not been contacted by the OIE and is unaware of any investigation by it. 39. As of August, 2018, the University listed Daniels’ status on his faculty web page as “(on leave Fall 2018)”. Daniels continues to draw University pay and benefits. 40. The University has never instituted a Title IX investigation into Daniels’ behavior, in spite of all the available information and complaints that were brought to its attention. Case 2:18-cv-13321-AJT-APP ECF No. 1 filed 10/24/18 PageID.9 Page 9 of 14

Thanks, Miss Rona.

Why did Daniels want to see a picture of a woman’s vagina?

Sick sick sick!!!

Why does he need drugs to fuck someone? He could easily find guys to have sex with.

He must get off on the power thing

R296 and that Handel craze is thankfully over.

Does Daniels even sing operas any more?

David has always had a very specific type: very young looking twinks.

Who don't want him.

This guy is straight.

[quote]David has always had a very specific type: very young looking twinks.

Oh, like what's-his-name from the movies.

Hasn't this scandal finished yet? It's been three months.

Has this man's anus stopped hurting yet?

God what a fucking PIG.

Is the harassee related to Vladimir Putin? He looks like he could be his son.

What’s all this commotion over some fem singers?

I can't believe this Lipian guy is a TRUMP supporter. I just lost sympathy for him.

Even an idiot doesn't deserve to be sexually assaulted.

No, although you'd think that after the first episode of being asked for naked pics or Daniels sending a vid of himself masturbating, he'd have removed himself from Daniels' studio.

Wonder what DD will dress up as for Halloween?

An inmate?

I read somewhere that the investigation revealed nothing happened. The host's recount of the events that evening was supported by the other guests in that he came, drank a bit, and left early.

I think you’re talking about Susan Graham’s Facebook R350, and she’s been quite silent lately. There is no official release of any investigation.

R350, you're several months behind the news--and behind this thread.

Try to keep up.

Wonder where Ms Graham is....cat got her tongue?

She never should have opened her fat fucking mouth in the first place. She’s always yapping away stirring up shit. She’s an obnoxious cunt.

They're giving Susan Graham a hard time on FB.

He’s a lecherous lothario

She deserves it, and for a lot of other bullshit besides just this, R355.

Hmm? I haven’t seen/heard about Susan being vilified for defending her good friend.

If she isn’t she should be.

I'm surprised he hasn't done some public 'mea culpa' in Opera News in an effort to save face.

Probably because no one cares, R360.

oh, this is lurid enough that people would salivate over the details.

More disgusting than lurid, tbh.

I think the consensus is that it was mutual sex with both the accusers.

David Daniels has found his thread.

[quote]Don’t worry about the BB thing, I’m totally negative.’ BB in this case meant bareback, otherwise known as raping me without a condom.”

No it meant fucking you up the ass without a condom.

So the "victim" was conscious or else this wouldnt have been mentioned because there would be no point of reference or reason to even say this. There would be mo point. People who do this pretend like nothing happened and just go abouut their business they dont talk about the experience.

[quote] No, although you'd think that after the first episode of being asked for naked pics or Daniels sending a vid of himself masturbating, he'd have removed himself from Daniels' studio.

I LOVE bears like Daniels. Send me the video please!! Go ahead and drug me!!

Omg.

I don't think that's the 'consensus' at all, r364. Not unless you're in Daniels' coterie of amici, that is.

R364 here: I am not at all in his circle but I have known him through other singers. Many of my friends older “ 50+yr gay singers all seem to think that it was consensual and the UM conservative republican voice student has some vendetta. I wonder if we older guys just can’t understand why the 20yr-early 30’s singers are so up in arms.. I think it may be the same as why I can’t understand the republicans in my family supporting Trump. I don’t understand the younger gay men anymore. I’m sure they don’t understand my views as well. I was not out until way after college.. I was in the business as a working musician but I almost married a women in my attempt to stay closeted in the late 70’s to early 80’s.

the thing is though, this conservative student might be thought to have some vendetta except for the fact that he has a video of Daniels masturbating and apparently lots of sexy texts. This guy was his (straight) student. Not cool.

Don't shit where you eat. Some people know that, others don't. Guess Daniels didn't. Now he does.

Bullshit R370.

The Michigan Daily just published a long article about the Daniels allegations, including Grindr messages, screen caps, etc. It clears up a few things: on Grindr, he was offering money in exchange for sex, and he really seemed to not understand that his own students were off-limits.

He knew exactly what he was doing R374. David has a loooonng history of this kind of behavior. He was highly aware that he should not be approaching students for sex and offering them money. Any idiot would know not to do that. He’s a fool and deserves everything he gets from this.

My position on this has changed since the 1st I heard about it. It sounds like David is like my ex and has a sex-addiction. We had open relationship but he pushed it way too far. Once I saw that he was spending so much free time cruising, I ended the relationship.

I can't even get laid..

Well, it looks like Daniels had to pay to get off. That to me seems tragic since he had fame and money. I only met him a few times back when he was in Atlanta. He loved to brag about all the young guys and it seemed desperate and sad.

He’s always paid, from the moment he started making money.

Any chance that David is going to teach at UofM since nothing has come of the allegations? I can’t imagine what he would do since he was not all that bright when I knew him at Cincinnati in our undergrad years but he was so funny at parties when he would imitate famous opera sopranos.

Nothing has come of the allegations? He’s in the middle of being prosecuted, hon. He will be fired.

I'd do him for free, but it seems he gets off on young, paid twinks who are drugged

An update

Thanks for the update.

From the article--

"“We dropped the Elliott-Larsen claim voluntarily against U-M only for technical legal reasons,” Gordon said. “It was duplicative, in many ways, of the Title IX claim. Bottom line — dropping the claim has no significance to the case.”

Gordon’s clients are several former students who claim to have been assaulted by Daniels during his tenure at the University. In August, University alum Andrew Lipian claimed that during a visit to Daniels's residence in March 2017, the opera professor drugged and sexually assaulted him."

David and his husband were arrested and are facing extradition to Texas. Game over.

I am happy this victim will see justice.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

😬 This is not good for University of Michigan

He’s on a paid leave & they knew of an investigation and still gave him tenure very very quickly. I went to school with David and this did not surprise me as much as the fact that he got tenure after only a few years of teaching

Why is "raping" in quotes in Mail article?

Sex without consent is rape

[quote]Daniels has been accused in the past of soliciting men on Grindr and was reported to police in 2017 for allegedly asking a man to perform a sex act through the app.

Why is this illegal? Does "soliciting" mean that money was involved? Because that would be prostitution, which is illegal (whether or not it should be). But if not....??????

Yeah r392, that stuck out to me too. Is it just the DM trying to add an additional scandalous bullet point?

It's DM trying to keep from being sued.

If a newspaper prints, "Raped by classical singer," BEFORE it's proven in a court of law, Daniels and hubby can successfully sue. They used to get around this by saying "allegedly," but that's long for a headline.

Its not very elegant. They should say for allegedly raping. Putting it in quotes reads a bit like gays can't be raped.

They don't look great in orange, even with the denim offset. Well, I'm sure they'll find plenty of opportunities to engage in bareback rape fantasies, just not -their- BB rape fantasies.

I'm glad they're being prosecuted. I'm glad the accusers get their day in court and vindication for all the trauma and pain they've endured, specifically the raped guys. I hope the victims are able to stick it out through the trials so there's no sketchy plea deals that seem to partially arise to save victims further trauma. Hopefully the UM folks clean house, too, over how this has been handled. It's a complete disgrace.

And I wish peace to the PTSD guy. Kudos for having the balls to stand up for yourself against the big dogs.

They'll say what every person accused of rape says: either "It was consensual" or "I didn't do it."

Do the accusers have any proof whatsoever?

[quote] this did not surprise me as much as the fact that he got tenure after only a few years of teaching

Famous faculty don't go through the same rigors that regular teachers have to. Daniels is a world famous singer--that's why they gave him tenure so fast

An accusation equals guilt in the new America. What a great country!

I know all the singers mentioned and this is devastating to our community. may justice be served.

They are roofie rapists. As is Bill Cosby. Michael Jackson diddled boys. Where there is so much smoke, there is fire. If they get away with it, its good lawyering.

[quote] An accusation equals guilt in the new America. What a great country!

People are free to believe what they want in America.

In the eyes of the law, you are innocent until proven guilty but that doesn't dictate what people have to feel.

Considering a number of men have accused them of the same actions, I don't think they're lying

Maybe the great mezzo Susan G will weigh in with her opinion?

Interesting to see if Susan G doubles down and testifies under oath at their trials to the stuff she asserted on social media.

She opened her usual big mouth about it. I predict she’ll shut the F up now. I have always found her to be a rude and ungracious colleague. She had a beautiful instrument and I applaud her for defending a friend. In my opinion, she went to far but that is par for the course for her.

I wonder if Opera's G is as downtrodden as Hollywood's version... or, should I say, the TV version. My condolences.

Totally agreed, R405. I’d go further and say she’s a loud mouthed cunt who has damaged a lot of people with her lying gossip. I don’t know why she chose to stick up for one of the assholes in this industry who actually did some of the things she’s accused others of before. She’s a nasty piece of work whose long term career has remained a mystery to me.

Also, more details have emerged about the rape with Daniels’ husband admitting they gave Schultz Ambien and that he contacted them two days later and was angry.

they need to be in prison for rape and on sex criminal lists for life.

Susan can shut the fuck up

sick

I am imagining that this gruesome twosome will get zero jail time and end up with parole. Perhaps they can get Daniels if his husband turns on him.

So they are being extradited to Texas ? Well, they are done.

Yes, extradited and no bail. They’ve been in jail the whole time. They have a terrible lawyer. I would be surprised if there’s jail, most likely a plea out for parole for several years and sex offender registry for life. That’s for the case in Texas however. He’s also being charged in Michigan. For that, I think he might get actual jail time. I want to know who’s paying his lawyer’s bills, because he certainly can’t afford it. RGB? She’s busy with cancer right now.

R413, why do you think he'd get more jail time in Michigan vs Texas?

More current, they have actual evidence R414.

R415, thanks for the response.

Going to Jail for Raping THAT

asshole r417

Too soon 417 & not at all funny

The mug-shots

Ahh, opera in prison.how refined

What the Fuck happened to his face?

It's so strange that they decided (according to the article) not to fight extradition.

Oh well.

He looks like Harvey now.

[quote]r319 When the jury finds him guilty, and the officers of the court are leading him out to the prison door, I wonder if he'll stop and sing a song.

Perhaps an opera can be crafted out of this.

Doesn't Glenn sing opera?

The lawyer has released horrible statements. I can’t imagine Daniels not hiring someone with more media experience. To denigrate the victim saying he will get ‘attention’ for coming forward is absolutely ludicrous. No man in 2018 is seeking media attention for their singing by coming forward with a rape accusation to a current opera superstar.

If anyone here is still interested in this story, check out Washington Post music critic Anne Midgette’s Facebook page.

I don't do Facebook. What's the gist, R426?

I don't see anything recent on Anne's page. I'm looking at it right now.

(I mean, recent about this case.)

Anne posted the story of their extradition on Feb 1.

Everyone there basically said the obvious--their lawyer's shitty statement is ridiculous.

Update from University of Michigan It is very strange to see David in handcuffs. I know this is DL and we should all have schadenfreude. he was a lovely singer and was a part of such memorable Baroque operas.

Any news? David fill us in!

What are you, R430? His mother? Was the sky also blue the day he was arrested?

David has apparently been stress eating since his arrest.

Why are these guys still in jail? Release them FFS.

To say nothing, r430, of that scintillating [italic]chemise a l'orange[/italic].

Because, they've been charged with felony rape, R434. Do you understand what that is?

Seriously

Word is that the guy had a major case of after sex shame and then started the accusations that he would not have consented to have had anal sex if he had not been unknowingly drugged. I will wait until there is a verdict before I believe the charges

There are multiple allegations of harassment and assault, R438.

[quote] [R37] is blocked for me.

That is weird, I have no one blocked but R37 isn't showing for me either.

r37 works for me. He said

[quote]It makes me ashamed to be a man when another man cries rape. It’s simply not possible. There I said it.

What he means by "it's simply not possible" confounds me, as I have been raped.

R441 Yeah I can see what he said by hover my cursor on the R37 but in the list of replies there is no R37, I didn't think I had anyone blocked and checked and I don't but R37 is not showing for me at all even in my blocked list. I do have four threads block that I am just not interested in but no posters blocked. Weird.

R442, I wonder if you might have blocked r37 when it was new, 08/23/2018.

This is a new computer I bought this month, just recently was able to post when I gained enough visits, so unless blocks are tracked by your IP address, highly unlikely. Oh well I just thought it was weird, I cursor-ed through the entire list of replies and R37 is the only one not showing for me.

[quote]just recently was able to post when I gained enough visits

Muriel really needs to implement that registration policy.

Any news on this from those here at DL in opera world? My friends in Ann Arbor think it’s all going to be dropped in Texas but Daniels will not be teaching again

errrrrrrr

I wish I could get raped by a male “power top couple.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlive.com/news/2019/07/grand-jury-indicts-university-of-michigan-professor-david-daniels-in-rape-case.html%3foutputType=amp

It looks like he is also being fired by University of Michigan

Damn, that is one costly nut.

Sheezus. https://www.michiganradio.org/post/heres-what-you-need-know-about-david-daniels-um-professor-and-opera-singer-accused-rape

Sheezus:

Fuck, David Daniels, what a pig!

Interesting comments at Slipped disc

Interesting comments at Slipped disc

Interesting comments at Slipped disc

Sorry for reposts

Sorry for the reposts

Seems that these threeway sex hookups were consensual, and this Andrew Lipian guy's consumed with regret and guilt because he's married and in the closet. Daniels deserves to be fired in any case; how predatory, unprofessional, and appalling.

He’s finally going to be fired.

Sorry for the reposts

Is it “rape” if you wanted it? They’re all whores in my version of the story. Can rape even happen with gay men? Maybe they’re just acting out a “rape fantasy.” I would say the only way it would qualify as rape is if the bottom wasn’t properly lubed before penetration.

R463 The victims were drugged and unconscious. That is indeed rape.

R464 - oh wow I didn’t know that part. Thanks, it definitely qualifies as rape, unless the “victim” asked him to do this to him. There are some pretty twisted fucks out there.

Has this case been settled?

No. Of course not. There’s going to be a trial and Daniels will most likely go to jail unless he takes a plea.

University of Michigan finally fired Daniels.

Looks like someone has been eating his feelings

First removal of tenure in 60 years at U of M.

He really needs to cut down on his carbs.

David Daniels is disgusting. I had no idea this was going on! Years ago i worked at Lincoln Center and used to see him on campus, he’d nod first then started saying hi. Always looking like he’d just smelled a fresh batch of toll house cookies. He struck up a conversation at the met opera dining room and eventually asked to join him at a sex party on 64th street next door to madonna’s apartment building. I declined. I saw him agsin later that summer and he was sitting. When we made eye contact, he grabbed his crotch. Ewwww

That's hot r472. Keep it going.

Any other opera queens on here wondering if David Daniels is still in jail or released due to the virus?

R3 I doubt it

R35 yes, I’m struggling with that one too. Is that even possible? Trying to picture how exactly that happens in that scenario.

Damn! I guess I majored in the wrong subject!!!

There’s a rumor that this case against these two has been settled.

Lol there’s cases against them all over the country.

I've always sort of assumed, without really thinking about it, that the classical music world is full of snakes and perverts and evil lecherous scum like these guys.

It was but maybe “me too” will help it change

MeToo is over, not gonna happen, pretty sure the pervs and assgrabbers and daterapists have won this one, the gay ones anyway.