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The Matrix Vs. Star Wars

I'm going to teach with The Matrix and Star Wars next semester. I just watched Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Matrix 1 (1999). Matrix 1 is so much better than Star Wars for script, acting and art direction. I like both films though.

We're going to read The Hero's Journey - Joseph Campbell. It seems so old school, chic girl humanism at Sarah Lawrence. Maybe 18yos will just scratch their heads? The Matrix is old, too!

What would be a good movie of the last say 5 years to trace Campbell's Monomyth - Hero's Journey Archetype?

I don't want to do Finding Nemo.

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by Anonymousreply 24August 28, 2018 2:11 PM

The Hunger Games.

by Anonymousreply 1August 19, 2018 8:40 PM

Anything, and I do mean anything, from the Marvel universe. They’re all the exact same fucking movie.

by Anonymousreply 2August 19, 2018 8:40 PM

Oh my yes Hunger Games! I don't think I can with Marvel but that they are ALL THE SAME was Campbell's point, which lends him some credibility. He seems to have fallen into the oubliettes. Is there a particularly strong Hero plot in one of the Marvels? The new Spiderman doesn't seem to have lifted off yet into a journey.

by Anonymousreply 3August 19, 2018 8:44 PM

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by Anonymousreply 4August 19, 2018 8:46 PM

Keanu Reeves is the best looking thing you will ever see.

by Anonymousreply 5August 19, 2018 8:46 PM

yes

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by Anonymousreply 6August 19, 2018 8:52 PM

Definitely Iron Man, or Dr Strange, if you’re looking for Marvel Movies

by Anonymousreply 7August 19, 2018 9:18 PM

La La Land!

by Anonymousreply 8August 19, 2018 9:20 PM

Some attention to Dr. Strange for Hero's Journey. I don't know it but I'll watch it tomorrow. Thanks!

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by Anonymousreply 9August 19, 2018 9:44 PM

Apocalypse Now.

FFF practically used Heart of Darkness as a template

If your doing screenwriting, (one of the) best screenplays ever : Chinatown.

by Anonymousreply 10August 20, 2018 2:05 AM

Chinatown follows the Hero's Journey? Hmmm

by Anonymousreply 11August 20, 2018 2:13 AM

The not very good Lucy?

It's not in the past 5 years, but 2009 Star Trek?

by Anonymousreply 12August 20, 2018 2:51 AM

Deadpool for the modern super hero.

by Anonymousreply 13August 20, 2018 3:03 AM

Almost every movie adheres to the formula. For girly examples, try Devil Wears Prada or Working Girl.

by Anonymousreply 14August 20, 2018 3:17 AM

Some argue that Rogue One is a modern darker hero to compare to Luke, so, like Deadpool I guess.

by Anonymousreply 15August 20, 2018 3:26 AM

Maybe Mad Max: Fury Road

by Anonymousreply 16August 20, 2018 4:06 AM

Wizard of Oz

by Anonymousreply 17August 20, 2018 4:09 AM

The porn where the girl says "right in front of my salad!"

by Anonymousreply 18August 20, 2018 4:15 AM

I watched Doctor Strange but Strange is too nasty as a character - budding hero, through much of the movie. He's no Frodo, Luke or Spiderman. Or Katniss.

by Anonymousreply 19August 21, 2018 2:00 AM

Not sure if you're looking to do children's movies -- a point can be made for how early we begin our myths -- but The Lion King and the original Land Before Time (A forgotten gem) both follow the hero's journey.

by Anonymousreply 20August 28, 2018 12:39 PM

Also, the original Spiderman with Tobey Maguire is a pretty straightforward hero's journey. More current is the first Guardians of the Galaxy.

by Anonymousreply 21August 28, 2018 12:53 PM

I don't have any kids, but if I had a daughter, I'd rather she looked to Ripley from Alien or Whatshername in the Mad Max remake for inspiration, rather than The Devil Wears Prada. My sister and I had an argument recently about the Maleficent movie-she thought it was a fundamentally sexist premise disguised as feminism--bitter, vengeful barren woman redeemed by maternal love, but in a vengeful world, I don't see anything wrong with a message about letting go of wrath in exchange for love, and anyway, she steals the affection of the king's daughter so you could argue she gets an even more definitive revenge.

But kids are saturated in cartoons and unreality, so if I were teaching a film class on the theme of the hero's journey that girls could relate to and didn't want to alienate the boys with preachy feminism, you can't do any better than Silence of the Lambs (needs no explanation) or the 2014 immigrant saga, In Brooklyn. Just because the heroine's adversaries don't shoot lasers out their eyes doesn't make them any less daunting.

by Anonymousreply 22August 28, 2018 12:54 PM

Harry Potter all of the three main characters undergo the hero's journey together.

If you're going the girl-centered route suggested by R22 all of these heroines take a hero's journey: for a fantasy film Moana, The Whale Rider for realistic fiction, and for a non fiction film look at The Eagle Huntress , a 2015 documentary about a Mongolian girl who defies her culture to become just that (she trains and hunts with an eagle btw). Even though the heroes are female men play a significant part in their lives both as antagonists and protagonists so you could generate lively debate with the young men too.

Looking at your original choices you could also look at The New Star Wars trilogy - with Rey as the hero.

by Anonymousreply 23August 28, 2018 2:05 PM

I hate it when teachers try to be hip and reach the youths with modern movies or books. I had to sit through Twilight and the Hunger Games English lit classes. Hunger Games at least was written by a real author with a master's degree, while Twilight is just fanfic written by a horny housewife. But the classes were horrible. Use the classics or something useful!

by Anonymousreply 24August 28, 2018 2:11 PM
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