Do you know anyone who's admitted they were wrong voting for Trump or not voting?

Kind of OP. One of my friend's girlfriend said she supported Trump before the election and was very defensive of him during the early part of his term.

Now she says she voted for Hillary and he blew his chance. I'm pretty sure she actually voted for Trump though and is now just embarrassed. But I can't prove she did.

woman I work with has apologized

she says she didn't know he was a lunatic

told her she hadn't been paying attention

JThis weekend my cousin's husband said he felt like Trump tricked him and he's pissed. I didn't ask for details because we were at a family event and didn't think I could keep my cool if we stayed on that topic.

I know quite a few rabid Trumpers. All are white, some are surprisingly well educated and they are all solidly middle class or lower middle-class. Any conversation with them inevitably boils down to them "explaining" at great lengths what Trump is actually doing and what he actually means. They all adore him and I cant depend on them voting against him in the next election because it seems there is NOTHING he can do that would turn them against him. As far as I am concerned, he is a cult leader. I live in Michigan.

Mother because she is anti-abortion. And she got what she wanted - conservative Supreme Court picks. Have stopped discussing - totally different views and neither can be persuaded. And she would vote for him again for the same reason.

I know several who voted for him but now admit he's a mental case who is destroying the country. But so far none of them have uttered the words "I regret voting for him". I think subconsciously they think saying those words is admitting they were morons.

A long-distance correspondent revealed to me she hadn't registered to vote (she's 32). She said she is now concerned about the kind of nation her nieces will grow up in, and asked me to suggest any reputable news sources

It took me weeks to write back to her, I thought she was wondrously bright but she's just over-committed with school and news, brave and candid. Her boyfriend and his family are Filipino and dedicated to Trump.

There's a f'kn none of at work who voted for him. Of course her daughter's on disability, and gets Medicaid as do the grandkids- not to mention we're social workers at a state-run program that would be cut in a heartbeat if Rethugs change Medicaid into block grants. When I point out this discrepancy she just wails, "But we had no CHOICE!" Say WHAT cognitive dissonance??!

Uggh- meant *nincompoop*

No. They think he is doing a great job.

I know 3 Trump voters, 2 are gay, one is straight but ‘socially liberal’. None regret it. I’m also sure several in my family secretly voted for him.

They must be a lovely couple [R11]

My admin who is an Eastern European immigrant.

Key motivating reasons:

1) Immigration. Appalled by Muslim takeover of Europe and lack of desire to assimilate and lose horrible Muslim viewpoints and practices.

2) Capitalism. After seeing socialism fall apart in Eastern European AND seeing San Francisco and the greater Bay Area (where we live) fall to shit (literally) she is tired of socialist policies that invariably fail.

Plus she had a strong disdain for Hillary and thought voting for her just because she was a woman was not enough.

Who did you vote for R13? Just curious

I have in-laws who are Trump supporters. Whenever we drift onto the topic of Trump, their defense of him sounds like they memorized it directly from Fox News (which they probably did). They'll go to their grave defending him, too embarrassed to admit they were duped by the ultimate con man.

R13 here - Hillary.

I will admit hearing from a Trump supporter’s perspective who wasn’t some redneck fundie in Indiana or Kentucky was refreshing.

I’m not some reactionary sheeple who casts people away because all the cool gays are now erupting in anger due to the actions and statements of a classist, racist white guy (which many gays in the US are as well no matter how they try and sugarcoat it).

I see lots of scraped off Trump bumper stickers in my part of town.

I have inlaws who are basically deplorable stereotypes. Uneducated, poor, "the civil war wasn't about slavery", the flag is the most important thing EVER types.

Saw them recently, they tried to engage me in a debate, I declined. Your 20 year old unemployed son just had a baby (on purpose) and your fat 11 year old couldn't tell me her own state capital.

OP, I’d bet money you do know people who voted Trump. Maybe they don’t admit it directly or lie and say the voted Hillary but you know them, we all do - that is what we’ve all been surprised to learn over the last couple years.

I usually go out for breakfast on my way to work and there are several people at the restaurant who voted for Trump. I don't know if they have any regrets. If they're a Trump supporter I'd rather avoid discussing politics. It's not worth the effort.

Ivanka will keep the gay Trump voters in the fold. She’s an ally and a stylish icon.

I live in nyc and I know some so called Reagan new york democrats who voted for trump. They are well educated and middle class, not the usual stereotypical trump supporters. They were open about their fondness for him during the 2016 election. They still support him. I am no longer bothered by their decisions because they are actually decent folks. We don't talk politics when we hang out.

She's a stupid cunt [R21]

And if they have no problem with him after all this, they're not decent folks [R22]

No.

I don't associate with idiots.

Most people don't pay much attention to politics, especially now. I've always been a news junkie, so I keep up, but other people I know don't watch the news.

My brother voted for Trump but right away realized he voted in a nut job. No way would he have voted for a female unless she was hot.

Nope, all the Trumpette racists I know are still Trumpette racists.

What changed from pre and post election, [R26]?

From what I can see, he's acting exactly the same

My parents are Fox News watchers and still brainwashed. They held their nose to vote for him in 2016 because "Hillary lies", they will keep holding their nose at his behavior because "blah blah economy". If anything, they like him more because Fox News tells them lies about all his accomplishments. My mom gets chemo and thinks because of Trump signing a bill for experimental medicine in terminal cases, she is getting drugs she couldn't have gotten otherwise. Not true, it is a pretty standard med combo but when I tell her she thinks I bought into the "MSM propaganda" that he is evil. Fox News is truly the devil.

I also have an eye doctor that weirdly talks up Trump. Under Obama all doctors had to switch over to electronic so I get the feeling he isn't happy with insurance companies and thinks Trump is good for lowering prescription prices. I saw him last month and he brought up Trump for the second time positively.

r19 is correct, what you think are typical Trump voters is wrong, they are people you know in life that are not hillbilly rednecks. Many are fairly well off and want lower taxes. They aren't bragging about voting for Trump, they are subtle and will gauge your response and keep quiet if they feel you are not on the same page.

Nah. They’re mainly white supremacists, so all the ones I know (at work) just laugh off or hand waive all the crazy shit he does. Because they think he’s going to get rid of all the brown/black people, or “put them in their place”. That’s all that his support boils down to.

[quote]"But we had no CHOICE!"

This makes me angrier than the cultists.

The only people I definitely know voted for trump would so again, even though one thinks trump is "a disgusting human being" "a lunatic" and "unhinged." He's wealthy and he wants to keep his money. The others are anti-choice.

I had an interesting chat with the guy who came to my house tonight to fix my dryer. The news was on in the background and they were talking about Omarosa and he joked, Oh no. What's happening now? And I started foaming at the mouth. He made absolutely sure that I was anti-trump before he let loose with his opinions. We both agreed you have to be careful about talking about trump with people you don't know well. Politics is always a tricky topic to talk about with strangers or casual acquaintances, but it seems almost dangerous now. Perhaps I am being melodramatic.

Ye of little FAITH. We're never wrong nor is our King David 2.0

Anyone I know who has voted for him is doubling down on their support as to save face. His supporters are similar to him - can never admit when they are wrong, egotistical and spouting fake news etc.

I work full time in a big box store in Arizona and constantly have customers walk up to tell me just how sinister the Clinton duo are. You would think Bill and Hillary had horns. I suspect Trump's fans continue to love him. Nothing has changed.

not yet.

[quote]I work full time in a big box store in Arizona and constantly have customers walk up to tell me just how sinister the Clinton duo are.

Do you get a sense of that it seems as if they are talking to themselves, R34? What you have posted has happened to me on a few occasions and I even see it here on DL quite a bit. The conversation could be about something as innocent as curtains and then out of nowhere... "And, Hillary..."

It boggles my mind.

R36 it's religious dogma to them. Like muttering a prayer before climbing down a ladder. It's compulsive at this point

No, those I know who voted for the idiot continue to support him. And what is worse, with each new revelation, each new tweet, those people defend and justify Trump's actions DAILY.

It’s not a logical political choice. It’s an emotional self-identity alignment - like a religion. Many are ill-informed - or Fox informed. But ultimately they will pick and choose news or statements that help support their unchanging view. Which is why Trumps tweets are so effective - they provide the material, however blatantly wrong or distorted, to justify their position. Debating is useless.

[quote]she had a strong disdain for Hillary

This is what I don't understand. where did this hatred for Hillary Clinton come from? It's bizarre. I read anti-Hillary screeds on various blog comment sections and everything she's accused of doing is not that big a deal or totally fabricated.

What did the Clintons do that was so "sinister" as opposed to Piggy's shit?

[quote]I live in nyc and I know some so called Reagan new york democrats who voted for trump. They are well educated and middle class, not the usual stereotypical trump supporters. They were open about their fondness for him during the 2016 election. They still support him. I am no longer bothered by their decisions because they are actually decent folks. We don't talk politics when we hang out.

[quote] They still support him. I am no longer bothered by their decisions because they are actually decent folks.

No such thing. They are either;

- racist

-unwittingly in support of White supremacy

-opportunist

-uninformed

-selfish

or a few other things. There is NO WAY that any rationale and/or "decent" person could be in support of Trump unless you are a certain color, that's in a certain income level, and completely selfish. That would be a decent person to you?

41. You are a dumbass. What gives you the right to completely judge them. You are no better than most trump supporters because they will also paint you with a stereotypical brush.

[quote]I also have an eye doctor that weirdly talks up Trump. Under Obama all doctors had to switch over to electronic so I get the feeling he isn't happy with insurance companies and thinks Trump is good for lowering prescription prices. I saw him last month and he brought up Trump for the second time positively.

If I had a doctor (or any professional) who discussed Trump positively, I’d confront them, report them and fire them in quick succession.

WTF is wrong with you? Why are you still giving this person your business, and the tacit approval to spread their disgusting political views unchallenged?

R41, yes, I know Trump supporters, and they definitely fit your stereotype.

How about we add sadistic to that mix? I'll add I know non-white professionals in urban areas who voted for Trump who check all of those boxes.

[quote]Ivanka will keep the gay Trump voters in the fold. She’s an ally and a stylish icon.

You’re an idiot.

Because you can't be decent. You just can't. It's simply impossible. Trump and his Administration are attacking anyone and anything that is below a certain income and class, period.

You and your friends cannot possibly value; a clean environment; discontinuation of PROVEN cancerous chemicals; protective safety for small investors (The SEC Act of 1933); immigration of any kind; affordable housing; healthcare; education; on and on

What the fuck does “socialism” have to do with San Francisco, R13?

Is this whole thread trolls?

[quote] I'll add I know non-white professionals in urban areas who voted for Trump who check all of those boxes.

And, their story is usually they are blinded by what they perceive as Trump's wealth. They're blinded by the trappings that they want for themselves. You have those that truly believe that by electing Trump and supporting him that they will one day be like him and maybe just as "rich" as he is. Uh-Huh...

Maybe they should speak to the students of Trump University.

Thanks R47. I was kind of wondering what socialism had to to do with SF. I believe R13 is a troll and possibly not even American.

R40 it is the most fascinating thing. The hatred of Hillary especially by a certain type of white woman. I’ve even heard some of her fiercest supporters say that she’s tough and a little shady. I don’t get it. I think smart women just have it tougher.

R48 -- well they're reasonably well off as it is. Here are some of their justifications:

"He's corrupt, but they're all corrupt." "He's a bully, but at least he'll be our bully." "I like the way he talks." "China is killing us." "He may be racist, but I just don't like Hillary."

I think Ivanka is scary. Nastiness and egocentrism is more saleable in the form of a good looking woman. She will be a dangerous force for decades to come. There is a Utah building around her that undernath it all she is opposed to her fathers policies. But the reality is she is supporting them and him. People say “well she has to its her father” which is dangerous too - I disagree with my father and will publicly disavow him when he does something I disagree with. Those Trump kids are f*d up people. Ivanka is dangerous - wolf in sheeps (fashionable) clothing

All these supposed middle classTrump voting professionals, have any of them ever stepped foot outside the US? And I don't mean some resort in Cabo.

^ myth (not Utah)

R53, shockingly, some of them are themselves first-generation immigrants. They love the idea of slamming the door shut, though. And they're quite racist.

[quote][R48] -- well they're reasonably well off as it is.

And, you see? It's how you define reasonable.

Look... I'm not out to hurt feelings and/or be offensive, but unless you are of a certain income and class during this Trump nightmare, you are being adversely being hurt somewhere.

[quote]Middle-class Americans made more money last year than ever before. Between 2015 and 2016, US median household income rose 3.2% from $57,230 to $59,039, according to a new report released by the U.S. Census Bureau on Tuesday.Sep 12, 2017

Given the above fact, you know that these people are being hurt by the Trump reign. It could be higher food prices; higher housing costs; higher fuel costs; on and on. But, make no mistake, they are being hurt.

None of the Trump supporters I know will admit to actually voting for him in the first place. I really do think it was hacked.

The type of person who would vote for Trump is not the type to admit they made a mistake. Because they are never wrong. Just like Trump.

The only exception are that small percentage who voted for Trump because they didn't really know him and didn't know any better, and didn't particularly care for Hillary = small percentage of his original supporters who have admitted they were wrong.

All the Tre45onous TRump voters I know still defend him. They are PROUD of being low information voters and vote against their own best interests: Social Security and health care and a living wage.

This is 40+ % of Americans!

How will Democrats deal with this sad reality?

My family is a buncha hold your nose types.

My partner's family is a buncha deplorables.

So, we lost all our relatives thanks to the Orange Fuck.

[quote]This is 40+ % of Americans!

I don't think his loyal base is anywhere near that large.

His base is, at best, 37%. Not 40%+. His approval sometimes reaches the low 40s, but that’s not his base. His base is the lowest of his approval ratings, the ones who never abandon him.

He’s toast in 2020 but you all better get out and vote and drag everyone you know to the polls, too.

there are two old, fat white men at work who are rabid trumptards. The orange traitor can do no wrong in their eyes.

Yesterday we had a meeting where our manager told everyone to check their withholding on their w4's since a lot of people may end up owing taxes this year when they never did before.

The one idiot actually wanted to know why HIS taxes were going up and "I thought my taxes were going down! They said my taxes would go down! "

Those of us who have been paying attention just snickered at him. Now he's butthurt because his taxes went up and he has to pay more but he's convinced tre45on had nothing to do with it.

Every Deplorable I know has doubled down on their support. They will never admit they made a mistake. It is a lot easier to fool someone than to admit you’ve been fooled.

I suspect it is wishful thinking that his supporters will see the light and repent. I just am not seeing that in Arizona. They love the man still. I still can't believe the hatred towards Hillary. According to them she is the worst human on the planet. It is so strange how they see her without redemption. The only hope is to get the people who did not voter engaged. Here in Arizona we have a large Hispanic population who just don't bother to vote even if they are citizens. The Democrats need to get busy with them.

Anyone still licking his taint is lost. The priority is the 47% who stayed home in 2016. Hope enough of them are horrified to get out and vote.

R65 Yeah but like I said, the type of person who is a die-hard Trumpie is also the type of person who won't admit to being wrong. People who have the maturity and ability to admit they are wrong when they are wrong did not vote for Trump.

R64 They don't care until the moment if personally affects them. Until they are personally impacted in some way they do not care what the hell Trump is doing or not doing or lying about. They don't even care if their fellow worker or neighbor or whomever just got railroaded or jerked by Trump's decisions/actions, as long as they are not affected. That is their immature, fucked up mindset.

R47 Perhaps I need to be clearer:

SF = "Progressive" (i.e., socialist) policies by Democrats = Frustration with Democrats. Bay Area government is basically socialism at its finest in the US.

No, she does not regret voting how she did. Many people in the Bay Area are not inherent racists (perhaps subconsciously biased despite all their "educated liberals" rhetoric. Yet those same folks are tired of throwing money away to solve social issues that just seems wasted as those same issues and others have gotten undoubtedly worse.

[quote] The priority is the 47% who stayed home in 2016. Hope enough of them are horrified to get out and vote.

That 47% is a larger population than the Trumpanzees. What are those 47% currently thinking? Who are they? We have to assume they include racial minorities (shut out by county or state voter suppression), women, people under 30, maybe even LGBTQ, people with household incomes under $60,000/year. If they haven't admitted they could have changed the election results by participating, should we take their silence as tacit approval of how the administration's behaved over the last 19 months, that they even now "cannot tell the difference between the two parties"? Anti-intellectualism and me-firstism are American values, you'd think the nonvoters would be out and proud about their refusal to perform their civic duty.

"What gives you the right to completely judge them"

They voted for a dangerous, callous baboon to be president, don't see any problem with it, and would (and will) vote for him again.

That gives me my right to judge them - completely or otherwise,

You still sound like an ignorant fucking troll, R69.

Did all the Trump idiots get a talking point about “socialism” today? It’s the new goto word for trolls it seems.

I voted for him and he is a mental case and it was a terrible mistake on my part. I have never voted for a republican in my life (35 years of voting).........I sat in the voting booth 5 minutes trying to make myself vote for him, and finally had to make the decision . In retrospect I should have voted 3rd party.

I was a Sanders supporter and thought the democratic party completely rigged the primary and I really couldnt stand Clinton and never could. (I didnt vote for Trump because I was a sore loser...sorry) I thought she pretty much messed up everything she ever touched and she never learned anything from her mistakes. She was a rabid Hawk and not all that environmentally friendly and was as much of a 1%.corporate beholden candidate as any republican I also thought she was a crook. I think Clinton as president would have been much better now that Ive seen Trump in action, but we would have been in at least one major military conflict by now with Clinton........but in retrospect that would have been much better than the nightmare we have now.

Basically we didnt have a decent choice in 2016 and it says much about America that we had 2 such awful candidates. And for those of you that have blocked out what Clinton was really like because Trump is so awful, you are looking at Clinton thru rose colored glasses.

I know one and he's unapologetic and has become even more alt-right. Dancer and escort, he avoids taxes and hates women.

I still don't understand how Clinton was so evil in the eyes of young white males. Trump and Bernie were their heroes

So she's transactional and incrementist. Big deal.

*incremrntalist

You're an idiot, [R73] if you think voting 3rd party would've been better.

[R74] Report him to the IRS

Thanks for spilling your guts R73. I didn't vote because the state I live in always vote for a democrat and I didn't think my vote mattered. I have since voted in the local elections and the primary's last week. I think we are going to see much more participation in November and in 2020 as many people realize their vote does make a difference.

Republicans who are anti-Trump at the link. You’d have to filter through it to determine who Objected before and after the election, though.

[quote] she had a strong disdain for Hillary

If you ask them “why”, they often don’t have a reason, beyond chanting “Emails”, “Benghazi”, etc. and still not able to articulate “why”.

After Obama appointed Hillary as Sec. of State, Fox when through a period where they praised Hillary. I think it was solely and obviously and attempt to get under Obama’s skin. It didn’t work.

I don't know if R73 is a troll or not but I still don't understand.

[quote] I thought she pretty much messed up everything she ever touched and she never learned anything from her mistakes. She was a rabid Hawk and not all that environmentally friendly and was as much of a 1%.corporate beholden candidate as any republican I also thought she was a crook.

A few examples please. What exactly did she do to lead you to such conclusions?

Trump/Fox strike me as a kind of cult.

Alternatively, it seems similar to support for a local sports team by a extreme-fan.

^ That would be because it has all of the markings of a cult.

Sometimes Trump voters try to distance themselves from Trumpism. They’ll say they aren’t bigoted, or whatever.

I always think, you may not like being thought of as a bigoted pig, but you voted for someone who is, to represent us. That in fact, makes you a bigoted pig.

You can judge a man's character by the company he keeps.

[quote] R73: She was a rabid Hawk

This is not true. Where’s the factual evidence?

Senator Hillary voted for the use of force in Iraq IF negotiations failed, like most Senators. To vote otherwise would have destroyed Pres. Bush’s leverage in his negotiations. In addition, no one could have anticipated that the White House was lying to Congress and the world about WMD in Iraq, nor that the Bush Admin would have been so incompetent at negotiations, and at prosecution of the war.

Hillary was the Sec. of State when negotiations started with Iran on the nuclear deal. She sought a peaceful agreement. Not a war.

How 'bout a nice hand for Academy Award-winning actress Susan Sarandon at R73, folks?!

R43 You sound like a psychopath.

R43 has a good point. I make an effort not to patronize dentists, doctors, stores, anything, where Trump or even Fox is supported. It’s a very small sacrifice when you think of all the people who have sacrificed so much more for the country.

R86:

It was the Hog Fair in September

A day I well remember

I was staggering up and down in drunken pride.

When my heart began to flutter

And I fell into the gutter

And a pig came up and laid down by my side.

As I lay there in the gutter

Thinking thoughts I dare not utter

I thought I heard a passing lady say,

"You can tell the man who boozes

By the company he chooses."

And with that, the pig got up and walked away.

Yes, my brother. Now he says that Trump is controlled by the Jews (which I believe in his world view is the worst possible thing).

R40 I strongly believe that the beltway "liberal media " has played a strong part in fomenting the Hilary and Bill Clinton hatred over the years. The beltway media despised the Clinton's from the start due to a mix of misogyny and snobby east coast elitism. These guys are ALOT more conservative than they let on in some ways. Look at the NYT, their star op ed, the deranged cunt Maureen Dowd, has spewed bile at the Clinton's for decades. The hatred continued during the 2016 election, but the beltway journalists tried to disguise it as "fair" reporting. While they sucked up to the Trumps family, the media would regular rip the Clinton family to shreds. They clutched their pearls over Bills improprieties while shrugging off Trumps abuse of women. They shrieked and howled over Chelsea making speeches while adoring Ivanka, the "classy businesswoman ". And finally they obsessed over Hilary's e mails, while leaving no insult towards her unprinted. Fox News is at least honest about their Clinton hatred, unlike the slimy and sneaky cunts and pricks of the mainstream media. They are far more insidious. And now, they get to cry crocodile tears of anguish over Trump, it's all very performative.

R52 America will forgive,excuse,and revere anything if it comes in the form of an attractive, "waspish " looking woman. Interestingly ,outside the gay male community , I don't see this same unthinking reverence towards attractive white men . In fact they are constantly being criticized and shouted down for their "privilege ". The reality is that an affluent,attractive, waspy man is no more privileged than a woman with the same qualities. For the record, I don't find Ivanka particularly good looking, but the public perceives her that way.

First, if you literally know no one who voted for Trump when half the country did, you need to stop being a Democrat shut-in. Second, if you think Trump voters need to "admit" they voted for him, you are the kind of person who would be talking to one in the first place. Faux curiosity.

*who would never be

R73, you really thought that? You are not very smart. Think about the implications for court appointees. Clearly, you didn’t think about that. You should have. You, and the other idiots who voted for trump, have screwed the US for a very long time. On all kinds of levels. Shame on you.

Oh yes R93, the press HATES the Clintons. They're secretly all Republicans, you know. And you give a very astute example in Maireen Dowd. BIG right-winger. And you"re so right, the media has just totally ignored Trump's abuse of women. Totally. How will we break the Trump-mainstream media cabal???

I don't know. I stopped speaking to them once I found it they voted for Trump.

R99 Another thoughtful, open-minded Hillary supporter.

I'm having a hard time imagining anyone like Stephen Miller on Hillary Clinton's staff, deciding any legal immigrant whose family made use of food stamps or children's healthcare insurance shouldn't have legal status in the US. I guess it takes a family-free sociopath to see the equivalency between the two candidates and their administrations.

Also I suppose she'd have done something to help Puerto Rico, and wouldn't make SCOTUS appointments for conservative judges. These are not rose-coloured assessments. I don't imagine her sending Senators to Russia for the Fourth of July.

Fuck off r100. Trump voters knew they were voting in a morally corrupt piece of shit. I don't want to engage with people like that.

I have never before written off people who voted for a candidate I didn't vote for and disliked. But I have written off Trump voters because it's not about a differing of opinions/political views, it's a differing of values and morals. That is really what it comes down to with Trump voters.

R102 morally corrupt, yes, but as opposed to.....Hillary and Bill ?Or do we need to go through that litany again? And fuck you too, you eqivalenscing I-don't-care-how-useless-she-is-she's-a-Democrat douche.

Agreed, R103. I try to be cordial with Trumpsters in work situations but will never trust one and do not want anything to do with them. These people voted for the biggest piece of shit who has ever been POTUS.

R98 I'm assuming that is an attempt at sarcasm. Roll your eyes all you want, but there was something strange going on during the 2016 election. While the beltway journalists are liberal in many ways, I reiterate that they do have an irrational hatred of the Clinton's. I am convinced that their resentment towards the Clinton family and portrayal of them in the media, played a significant part in swaying so called swing voters . I lost count of how many articles I saw clutching pearls over the "shady " Clinton foundation, as if Trumps business contacts weren't as shady as it gets. And where were these intrepid little reporters, so focused on Hilary's "deplorable " comment, when Trump was colluding with Russia ?

R73 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the election.

I voted absentee and cast my ballot for Hillary the day after Pussygate started. It was physically painful to vote for Secretary Clinton and mail that ballot, but, while I believed Trump had admitted to sexually assaulting women, I didn't believe Clinton herself assaulted anybody -herself-. That was the deciding factor for me.

I'm convinced most people I know voted Trump, but we just don't talk make them state that they did and life goes on. It's tacitly understood that they voted so due to their religious beliefs (anti-abortion Supreme Court choices) or personal socio-economics or 30 years of dislike of the Clinton family or even distaste for the concept of political dynasties. I don't think any of these people I know actually like Trump himself but they got what they wanted in Supreme Court choices, their pocketbooks, an end to the Clinton powerbase, and/or not another Clinton or Bush.

Unless his party turns on him and impeaches him or Democrats pick a stellar candidate, they'll re-vote for him for the same reasons. The most admission of error I've seen were serious grimaces and my-bad faces during the North Korea nuclear escalation.

R107, no, when the economy crashes and burns (and it will) and/or when a truly serious crisis hits, his support will drop like a rock.

Within 20 years you'll be hard pressed to find people who'll publicly admit to voting for him.

"What, me? A trump voter?" It'll be like admitting you were not just a Nazi, you were an enthusiastic one.

R106 And I assume you're attempting sarcasm. There was something weird going on on the 2016 election alright - the media in generL were in a frenzy to elect Hillary - they apologized up and down for her obvious physical ailments, her gaffes, her tone deaf failure to connect with the voters' real concerns (which even her husband understood), the lack of energy to her campaign, Yes, they were biased toward Trymp. You keep believing that. And bro, speaking of the Clinton Foundatio, what Re you hearing about that? Since Hillary isn't secrsatary of stAte, and foreign donations ran dry and the gravy train stopped, they've kind of closed up shop.

R106 oh and how IS that collusion going, 2 years in ? Any news? Seems like the trail ran dry. And the dossier that Hillary's campaign paid for ! The one where they rely on Russian information via the wife of an anti-trump FBI official ? Are we still waitng for the final report on that ? Let us know

R109 / R110 is fucking insane.

R73 Speaking as a NYKer that survived 9/11 and our city was rebuilt specifically due to Sen Clintonse extreme briliance, direction and dedication , speaking as a Global Traveler that has visited so many countries that were kept from tribal warfare by US under Sec Clinton’s urging negotiations, I want to say ..... you are fucking idiot.

I wont thank you “for your honesty” because you put us here. Clinton was an EXTRAORDINARY public servant for NY in our darkest hour of need and HELPED, GUIDING US to renew our lives. She did everything for us that you NEVER GOT FROM YOUR PUBLIC SERVANTS - full service sliding scale community medical centers with Docs that had debt forgiveness for 2 years service, lifetime medical care for 1st responders, the list is endless. That is why Washington DC was fucking shell shocked when she lost - they KNEW She was a first rate advocate for her constituents and they KNEW how she helped restore NYC.

Read a fucking paper why doncha - like Washington Post before you ever fill in that ballot again.

R111, he/she is just the typical Fox News Trumpster.

No R 109/110 is a troll. Here to cause chaos again. Same Rusky talking point that were fabricated by the GRU agents: Hillary’s health, Clinton Foundation (which has a 97%+ from charity regulators)

Block it. A lot of posts disappear.....

A Russkie troll was it? I'll just leave this here then and depart:

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[quote]I see lots of scraped off Trump bumper stickers in my part of town.

Same here. I'm in Kansas. Neighbors have covered over their Trump stickers, and more tellingly, the couple of Clinton/Kaine stickers in the neighborhood are still on and not defaced. Rednecks around here deface liberal bumper stickers.

Had a therapist once who defended a redneck coworker who had been disciplined for gouging into the bumper of a car with a liberal sticker in the work parking lot. He said if someone wanted to have strong opinions they should expect a violent response.

I didn't go back.

R112 congrats, you survived 9/11 - so dide 8 million other residents. Maybe because you're a Global TrVeler it means more, I don't know. Maybe you can explain further IN ALL CAPS. ......and wait, how did Hillary rebuild New York in any way it wouldn't have got done otherwise ? You think it would be still all rubble, huh? serious?

R109 et al. types methy.

[quote] It was physically painful to vote for Secretary Clinton

I will never know what it's like to be in a demographic so coddled and secure that they become physically ill when voting for the non fascist.

R119 you have the freedom to throw around the word fascist - you have no idea what it means. Maybe look up actual fascist governments, see what they did, and compare to what you're taking about ok ?

I know some people who didn't vote because they couldn't stand either one of them, but they still hate Hillary (and don't regret not voting for her) even though they think Trump is a jerk. smh

I keep wanting to ask my brother because it surprised me when he did, but I don’t. Our relationship isn’t about politics. He might say it himself one day.

"Maybe look up actual fascist governments, see what they did, and compare to what you're taking about ok ? "

And you should look up HOW fascist governments got into power and were able to do what they did. They didn't leap into government overnight screaming "we're going to restrict freedom of thought, expression and speech - and we'll kill you if we have to"

Most went along the path of "Make (Wherever) Great Again" and we, the sheeple, ineffably driven by the lure of some mythical past and the ever-present hatred of "them" - the "other", the "not like us" - followed them blithely, reassured that it could, of course, never happen to "us" - until the "us" became the "them"

ok?

[quote]I thought she pretty much messed up everything she ever touched and she never learned anything from her mistakes.

And yet you voted for Donald fucking Trump? A racist, sexist, rabidly insane reality TV star with a string of failed business ventures and unpaid debts?

What exactly did Mrs. Clinton “touch” and then “mess up,” every time?

Did you believe, in November 2016, that Donald Trump was a person who “learned from his mistakes?”

I’m fascinated by the disconnect that one could see Hillary Clinton as an abject failure and Donald Trump as anything better.

Trump supporters hate the republicans.

Republicans hate trump, but like the disturbing republican policies.

Democrats hate both trump and the republicans, especially the disturbing policies.

No one around me is bragging anymore that they voted for trump, but these people have a tendency to be nutjobs.

It is fucking disturbing.

Reading threads like this one a theme that repeats is the lack of challenge. People find out someone they know is a Trump supporter, it disgusts them but they tiptoe around it, keep the peace, don't upset Auntie. I would have thought as the Trump supporters hold their hero in such high esteem for 'telling it like it is' they would appreciate a refreshing dose of the same. Some here are outraged that Trump supporters should be vilified for their political choice, but as stated above their choice reveals much more about their character and it isn't good. We are seeing the early stages of the fascism handbook being played out to the letter and these fools are running with it. Trump has been invited to dinner, has taken a huge shit on the table and the fellow guests are either making excuses or too polite to mention it, mention it, challenge these people, there is a lot at stake and if Auntie has to think about things she doesn't like then so be it. This period has also shown up a massive flaw in American politics, that the President is treated as a king. Total respect for the office ( whoever is presiding ) , effectively above the law, pardons to be doled out at will. This situation depends on the integrity of the incumbent and as we see that is not a reliable measure.

[quote][R106] And I assume you're attempting sarcasm. There was something weird going on on the 2016 election alright - the media in generL were in a frenzy to elect Hillary - they apologized up and down for her obvious physical ailments, her gaffes, her tone deaf failure to connect with the voters' real concerns (which even her husband understood), the lack of energy to her campaign, Yes, they were biased toward Trymp.

I disagree with you, R109. I think that the problem was that EVERYONE (including Trump himself) had accepted an inevitable Clinton win. I really try to look at this objectively because although I voted for Clinton I was not a Clinton fan. I find her uninspiring and she lacks a vision. Without a question she would have been more than competent to do the job, but I want a President with a vision and not just a manager.

The press was HORRIBLE with Clinton. In every interview (the ones I saw anyway) she was always attacked. How Andrea Mitchell sleeps at night is beyond me. But, Hillary answered every question and never would "get caught" in a question" The media allowed "Clinton Cash" (someone mentioned it was above) to grow and spread and it was too late when the media effectively debunked every claim in that book. Bottom line; the media were overly critical of Clinton while allowing Trump a free pass pretty much. Trump used this to his benefit. Can you blame him?

There are people who wanted a reason not to vote for Hillary. I still can't figure out why. What did this woman do?

I really don't know any Trump voters here in my liberal NYC bubble. Or at least any that publicly admit to it.

That said, I don't get those of you who want to "write them off" and stop speaking to them.

That will just lead to more of the same.

To me, it's like trying to understand why Germans voted for Hitler in 1933. Sure some of them were just antisemites, but there was a lot more to it than that, and understanding it is how you can prevent it.

For starters, it seems that, even factoring out all of Hillary's various missteps, the core of the problem was that she and the entire Democratic party, was running on a message of "everything is great under Obama and I am only going to make it even more great"

That message resonated with the 15%, for whom things were pretty great.

But for the 85%, things were pretty shit--lack of job security, opioid crisis, failing towns, no upward mobility--and the fact that Trump seemed to be acknowledging that was enough to get them to overlook his many many flaws and complete lack of experience.

That's a big hump to get over and yet things were so dire, enough of them did to put him in office. Whoever runs in 2020 needs to bring up the Dems economic message and let the 85% know they get that things are pretty grim and nothing Trump is actually doing is fixing the problem.

Conservative talk radio and Fox News has convinced a significant portion of white people in this country that blacks/hispanics/muslims literally want to destroy them. Democrats and “leftists” are subhuman to them. These are Trump supporters and there are far more of them than the people yelling at rallies. They will overlook anything Trump does, so long as he pushes a vision of a white, 1950s-ish America.

That’s why I roll my eyes every time CNN or NPR go into an hour long analysis about something Trump did. In the end, none of it actually matters. No Trump supporter is ever turning away from him.

But that message only resonates R129 because those people feel helpless and as if no one is listening to them.

If they felt good about their future, their children's futures and their job prospects they would not be as susceptible to those racist messages.

All the israeli Americans voted for him. They’re such one-issue voters. And trump made sure to take a big public trip to Israel early on in his campaign. Plus a lot of them are so materialistic in a what-glitters-is-valuable way so I think they love tacky trump for his ostentatious aesthetic. Ugh. Non-thinkers and rabid Muslim haters.

I asked a Trump voting colleague calmly what she thought of the Helsinki incident. She replied she was concerned about and hopes that something good came out of it. There was a lot of hope in her statements. She seemed concerned. However she did not know there were no aids in his private meeting with Putin and said, no, no they were there with him. She claimed not to know Trump basically admitted obstruction of justice with the Lester Holt interview. Then she went on the defensive and said it is funny how we interpret things differently. I asked her if she watches Fox. She stated she gets her news from a variety of sources. I know deep down, she knows he is a complete fuck up. She also says she is pro choice.

It’s a Cult. The overwhelming majority don’t care if their leadership is evil.

Like the Catholic Church. They know the systematic rape of thousands of boys and girls was covered up. A few may “leave the party.”

But they are not going to become Episcopalians.

Well said 127.

I meant poster 128 not 127.

Thank you R136/R135

A pro-choice Trump supporter? Wow. She must really hate brown people something fierce.

The unfortunates you describe R128 don't matter to politicians other than as a vote, if they think life looks grim for them now they should fast forward to the future of mass automation and complete obsolescence . Sadly they are dim-witted and reactionary and logical attempts to explain complex situations to them evaporate when there is a carny barker yelling the stuff they love - it's brown people's fault.

R73 is the stupidest person who ever lived. Mentally ill Trump combined with the GOP Congress can do an enormous amount of damage, but this spiteful Berniebro voted out of anger that his precious Uncle Nosehairs didn't make the cut.

It is my theory that Uncle Nosehairs and Trump conspired together and I wish a good investigative reporter would look into it. I would love to see Trump go after sanders with all the power of his sadism and demeaning invective – that would be quite a sight.

I know successful people who voted for Trump. They like the tax cuts and they feel that liberals went too far on many issues and deserved a wake-up call. They have gotten used to Trump's outbursts and don't care about them anymore.

[quote]But that message only resonates [R129] because those people feel helpless and as if no one is listening to them.

[quote]If they felt good about their future, their children's futures and their job prospects they would not be as susceptible to those racist messages.

Thank you r131. This is how to start getting those voters back. Instead of run around with our hair on fire for two more years, we have to work. Winning elections may actually involve some work, instead of sitting back and throw bombs at people who disagree with you.

Very few people admit they’re wrong about anything. Religion & politics are subjects people are doubly unlikely to admit they were wrong about.

[quote]If they felt good about their future, their children's futures and their job prospects they would not be as susceptible to those racist messages.

Absolute bullshit. Many, maybe even most, rich whites are bigots. Economic security has not allowed them to stop hating "the other."

If anything, the Kochs, Mercers, Trumps, Bannon and any of the others were able to expand their bigotry because of their own economic security. They could afford to discriminate and to give incentives to people/companies who did the same.

I know you BernieBros think that if everyone was on equal economic footing bigotry would go away, but human nature has never worked that way.

R133 "There was a lot of hope in her statements."

Sure sounds familiar. They have hope with Trump. He makes them feel hopeful. Only problem is that hope is not a strategy.

"What did this woman do?"

Hillary is a strong woman. Many people do not like that. Misogyny is deep in this country. She won the popular vote but was told to go away and take up knitting. Do you all really think that would have happened to a man? I am one of the ones who want nothing to do with Trumpsters. I really do not give a fuck if some of you do not like that. I despise them.

May I add, there are people on the left I want nothing to do with, either. Sexism is not just a problem on the right.

R143 -- go through this NYT graphic of how different election districts voted in 2016

I think you'll find that the vast majority of affluent areas are blue, even the ones that are Republican strongholds.

Yes, there are rich assholes like the Kochs, but they are the exceptions, not the rule.

PS: Not sure how I became a BernieBro-- was it easier than calling me "Boris"?

I've posted before about the local owner of an auto repair shop, who is chairman of a regional 'Vets For Trump' group (he was prominently placed behind POTUS at several of the Nuremberg rallies). His shop is still a shrine to Trump; he is still an extreme asshole. Excellent shop, but I stay far away.

But I know a real (not astroturf) Vet, who is disabled on SSDI who voted Trump. He is terrified, as he should be, and did a 180°. He is speaking up about his concerns.

They don’t admit they made a mistake.They walk around sprewing BS logic to support their stupid azzed vote for a President that will outlaw their very way of life.Then they play stupid...like the President dosen't mean them when he does things that effect their livihood,housing,jobs,marriage,health.Yeah i know a bunch who supported the Orange Turd.An they are now either loud and proud about their ignorance. Or silent and scared....this President will send them an theirs to jail.But i no longer count them as friends. How can you be friends with someone whose self hate....threatens us all.

[quote]Conservative talk radio and Fox News has convinced a significant portion of white people in this country that blacks/hispanics/muslims literally want to destroy them.

Guilty conscience?

My favorite Civil War quote;

"What will they do to us given what we have done to them"--Mary Chestnut

R145, yes, it would have been the same if HRC was a man. We lived that in the election of 2000 with Gore v Bush where we learned chit matter.

I didn't think HRC would concede the presidency. Personally, I think Trump promised he wouldn't see her imprisoned if she conceded. I suspect he even promised to pardon her if necessary to secure the election.Otherwise, she had everything to lose by conceding and nothing to lose by contesting every state possible for as long as possible. DJT claims he makes deals, and, I suspect, this time he did. He promised his supporters she would be locked up, and I've not read anywhere that he's moved towards that. It would have been immensely popular to move against her legally whether a case against her's legit or not.

R151 “moved against her, promised to not imprison her, pardon her, immensely popular to move against her?”

You are a fucking idiot and troll. Clinton has never done a single thing in her LIFE to be “charged” with. She has lived her life as a brilliant policy scholar, Practicing Methodist, advocate for poor children and monorities.

Block this trolling idiot.

R151, no one with a half a brain cell would believe a single word out of Trump's mouth. She conceded because she didn't want to put the nation, and herself, through a lot more pointless pain.

If Trump had won the popular vote and Hillary had won the EC, however, you can be sure Trump would be puking his outrage and calling for civil war to this day.

"yes, it would have been the same if HRC was a man."

BULLSHIT!

I too live in NYC and know Trump voters. I am one as well, but I'm a closet conservative masquerading as the more hip libertarian. Keeps me sane. What I didn't expect was the number of non-white, non-wealthy Trump voters he has here. He's got real inroads in legal immigrants and working class people.

“Real inroads with legal immigrants...” Bwahahaha. You mean like highly educated Indians, Pakistani’s, etc that have thier own precious racism and mistakenly believe that because they may come from privileged means in the homeland they are more “desirable” as Americans? And they arent “Mexican” or low level pay scale? Those Grifter lovers?

Not any more pal. Everyone is at risk in the new neonazi world of Trump Miller Sessions. Nothing lower than a “Libertarian” thats for sure, except for a Trump voter. They stand for NOTHING. Think Rand Paul.

My mother hates Trump. She fears Trump. That’s all I heard from her in the year leading into the election. I was astounded when she told me on Election Day that she voted for him. I asked her how could she vote for a man she hated and feared. She said she just didn’t like Clinton. I asked why and she said - EXACT QUOTE - “I don’t know. She’s sorta pushy, don’t you think?”

I saw no reason to explain to her that she didn’t vote for Clinton because she was a woman. She would just deny it and believe her denials. I fear that many people voted the same way for the same reason. This is why I will not support a woman in the primary. If Harris or Warren get the nomination, I’ll support them, but I think too many people in this country will vote for ANY man over ANY woman no matter how qualified she is.

[quote]I asked why and she said - EXACT QUOTE - “I don’t know. She’s sorta pushy, don’t you think?”

The power of propaganda. Few can say why they didn't like Hillary.

[quote]I didn't think HRC would concede the presidency. Personally, I think Trump promised he wouldn't see her imprisoned if she conceded.

Imprisoned for what?

My family have plenty of disagreements; however, on the issue of Trump, NO ONE voted for this fucking thug, criminal, incompetent, fraud, asshole.

We have brains and know the issues. It was Hillary all the way. This remains an American tragedy that Hillary is not the president.

[R156] I haven't had that conversation with anyone other than Latinos from various different countries: Mexico and the DR mostly.

I was interested in this guy until he said he liked Trump. He still likes him and I asked why and he said, he likes how strong Trump is. Then he proceeded to talk about his dislike of Hilary and Obama. I couldn't talk any sense into him so I dumped him.

I voted for her, but of course it's very easy to understand why people didn't like Hillary. She was a female John Kerry.

She said everything was fine and just needed to change slightly. She spoke in cold politician-speak and hid all her emotions.

People were sick of this kind of corporate Democrat and stayed home. That's why Trump got elected.

Nothing says strong like screaming like a little bitch on Twitter, [R162]

You're better off.

Hillary has the charisma of a potato. Trump has enormous charisma - you just can't look away, whether you're repulsed or enamored. That's all that seems to matter these days in America.

[quote] there are rich assholes like the Kochs, but they are the exceptions, not the rule.

A majority of large corporations and rich political donors are Republican.

Voter turnout by income shows the wealthy voted for Trump, and they as a demographic bloc usually vote Republican.

I'm not sure where you get your information but you may want to find other sources.

The US is soaking in socialism. It’s called Corporate Wealthcare.

Trump has charisma? It is so strange to say that being the man makes my skin crawl. And he did even before he ran for office.

I wanted a President who is smarter than I am. Trump is not, not by a mile. How can such a literally stupid man have won the election?

Well, I suppose there is a first time for everything, as they say. I live in Manhattan and have been onto Trump and his antics and corruption since the 80s, which is when I first started to despise him. Gotta say, up until today, I never heard his name and the word "charisma" in the same sentence before. Yep, that's a first.

R169 Russians. Dont underestimate the value of Russian $70Million given to the NRA > $30Mill siphoned off to piece of shit trump. Remember he said he would “Pay for my own campaign?” Don’t underestimate targeting Bernie supporters in WI PA MI with Hillary Hate/Vote Stein/Vote Trump “there is no difference” dont vote for HER Dont underestimate She will take your GUN Dont underestimate piece of shit letting RUSSIA WRITE THE SCRIPT FOR HIM “It’s a rigged election” started with Russia/Ukraine/Todd Devine and migrated to Don and Bernard.

Don't underestimate that of est 132MILLION VOTES CAST only a total of 70,000 votes were needed to steal the electoral college for the Mob Boss..

Someone in the GOP suggested counties for the Russians to target specific persons, prob FB members that had participated in Cambridge Analytica personality profiles. Specific left leaning voters with fake news about Hillary. I believe they did it across the country including specific college towns across Fla. esp