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Sam Rockwell IS Bob Fosse and Michelle Williams IS Gwen Verdon!

And Datalounge asplode.

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by Anonymousreply 243August 15, 2019 8:39 PM

They certainly are not.

by Anonymousreply 1July 24, 2018 9:44 PM

I'll watch Sam Rockwell in anything.

by Anonymousreply 2July 24, 2018 9:46 PM

This will be fun whether it sucks or not.

by Anonymousreply 3July 24, 2018 9:50 PM

Can he dance? Can she? Little detail to consider...

by Anonymousreply 4July 24, 2018 9:51 PM

I love the two of them, but...uh...

by Anonymousreply 5July 24, 2018 9:53 PM

Wow, I'll look forward to this!

by Anonymousreply 6July 24, 2018 9:53 PM

Michelle Williams is so bland.

by Anonymousreply 7July 24, 2018 9:55 PM

Gwen Verdon never translated to film either so it could work.

by Anonymousreply 8July 24, 2018 9:57 PM

A TV show about Fosse and Verdon starring non-dancers?

I don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 9July 24, 2018 10:23 PM

R9 wow you’re clueless

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by Anonymousreply 10July 24, 2018 10:27 PM

A movie about John Glenn and Neil Armstrong starring non-astronauts?

I don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 11July 24, 2018 10:27 PM

I've always seen her as more of a Joyce Bulifant.

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by Anonymousreply 12July 24, 2018 10:27 PM

Sounds really straight and white.

by Anonymousreply 13July 24, 2018 10:29 PM
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by Anonymousreply 14July 24, 2018 10:31 PM

I hope Lin doesn't cast himself as Jack Cole.

by Anonymousreply 15July 24, 2018 10:35 PM

Sorry, but no one will ever top Roy Scheider. He deserved the Oscar for All That Jazz.

by Anonymousreply 16July 24, 2018 10:44 PM

Sure, R10, Rockwell will have no trouble with this sort of thing.

And what about Williams, has she ever danced a step in her life?

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by Anonymousreply 17July 24, 2018 11:00 PM

Gwen Verdon? Really?

by Anonymousreply 18July 24, 2018 11:11 PM

Well, they can use her dance double from The Greatest Showman.

by Anonymousreply 19July 24, 2018 11:29 PM

Margot Robbie played a world champion figure skater.

Jeeze some of you act like you've never seen a movie before.

by Anonymousreply 20July 24, 2018 11:37 PM

She danced her way into Heath Ledger's heart.

by Anonymousreply 21July 24, 2018 11:40 PM

Here are Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon from Damn Yankees.

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by Anonymousreply 22July 24, 2018 11:41 PM

Oh fer chrissakes. They'll just dub their feet.

by Anonymousreply 23July 24, 2018 11:46 PM

Michelle danced in Cabaret on Broadway in 2014.

by Anonymousreply 24July 24, 2018 11:47 PM

I just wonder why a series. I mean, they worked, he fucked everything that moved, they separated, he died. Everyone who knows who they are knows that.

So where's enough material for a TV series?

by Anonymousreply 25July 24, 2018 11:51 PM

Williams is one of the most overrated actresses in Hollywood. No clue how she keeps getting roles in prestige pictures.

by Anonymousreply 26July 24, 2018 11:53 PM

I have no idea who either of them is but she must be one hell of a dancer if she's going to play Verdon, one of the best B'way dancers ever, not much of a singer but man could she dance. It was an honor to see her in person with several shows.

by Anonymousreply 27July 25, 2018 12:01 AM

I think there is plenty for a series, mostly because Verdon remained in Fosse's life and work after he moved on romantically to other women. Remember she was with him when he died, consulting on a revival of Sweet, Charity.

by Anonymousreply 28July 25, 2018 12:29 AM

[quote]Sorry, but no one will ever top Roy Scheider. He deserved the Oscar for All That Jazz.

Agreed but if they’re gonna do this, Rockwell’s a great choice.

by Anonymousreply 29July 25, 2018 12:34 AM

Will they discuss this in the series?

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by Anonymousreply 30July 25, 2018 5:33 PM

He may be goofy as hell, but he can dance

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by Anonymousreply 31July 25, 2018 5:50 PM

I'm quite surprised they didn't cast noted terpsichorean Elaine Benes as Gwen.

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by Anonymousreply 32July 25, 2018 5:56 PM

Everytime I see Elaine do that I lose it. What a funny woman.

I like Rockwell well enough, but there sure isn't much variety in his moves.

by Anonymousreply 33July 25, 2018 6:22 PM

R21 lol

by Anonymousreply 34July 25, 2018 6:50 PM

"Sorry, but no one will ever top Roy Scheider. He deserved the Oscar for All That Jazz."

Agreed, he was incredible and was nominated, but the damn fool AMPAS voters didn't appreciate what they were seeing.

And it must have been a very strange experience for him, he was essentially playing the man who was directing his performance, but doing whatever screen actors do to make the director's emotional life work for the screen. Someone once asked why Fosse didn't play himself, because it was his life and experiences up there, and I said that he wasn't the kind of actor who could make his life into an Oscar-level performance, and Scheider was. It must have felt so incestuous.

by Anonymousreply 35July 25, 2018 10:31 PM

ALL THAT JAZZ was too much for me. I was expecting something different - having loved CABARET - but it was too depressing and disjointed.

by Anonymousreply 36July 25, 2018 11:05 PM

Michelle Williams to once again add her appalling lack of charisma to another work.

by Anonymousreply 37July 26, 2018 1:23 AM

Well, at least it’s being shot in NY and not fucking Toronto or Atlanta. A friend who works in wardrobe confirmed that today.

by Anonymousreply 38July 26, 2018 1:27 AM

God I dislike this actress, for just these reasons...boring, bland, no glamour.

by Anonymousreply 39July 26, 2018 3:06 AM

R39, then she's perfect for Verdon.

by Anonymousreply 40July 26, 2018 3:14 AM

This is soooooooooo odd.

5 months ago Michelle allowed herself to be photographed on a beach with the man-hunk Andrew Youmans and leaked that he was her rumored fiancee.

Now today she's married to Phil Everlum and calling him the love of her life!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

This doesn't smell right. Something is off about this whole charade.

by Anonymousreply 41July 26, 2018 6:57 PM

Joining previously announced Rockwell and Williams as series regulars are Tony winner

Norbert Leo Butz (Bloodline) as Paddy Chayefsky

Margaret Qualley (Novitiate) as Ann Reinking

Evan Handler (The People v. O.J. Simpson) as Hal Prince

Aya Cash (You’re The Worst) as Joan Simon

Nate Corddry (For All Mankind) as Neil Simon

Susan Misner (Jack Ryan) as Joan McCracken

Bianca Marroquin (Chicago) as Chita Rivera

Kelli Barrett (The Punisher) as Liza Minnelli

Rick Holmes (The Post) as Fred Weaver

Paul Reiser (There’s… Johnny!) as Cy Feuer

Ethan Slater (Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) as Joel Grey

Byron Jennings (Lincoln) as George Abbott

Laura Osnes (Elementary) as Shirley MacLaine.

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by Anonymousreply 42November 19, 2018 5:12 PM

Michelle "you call it pixie cut i call it dyke cut" Williams who lives in Brooklyn which was recently voted the center of the lesbian universe .... she's GAY?

Yes is the answer.

by Anonymousreply 43November 19, 2018 5:38 PM

[quote]Nate Corddry (For All Mankind) as Neil Simon

Huh.

by Anonymousreply 44November 19, 2018 5:50 PM

I've dutifully watched all the Sam Rockwell dancing clips in this thread, and I'm underwhelmed. He dances like a more flexible Ellen DeGeneres. I know people like him in real life: They have one set of moves that they've perfected for parties and wedding receptions. That's not the same thing as having the decades of training, the technique, and the control of a legitimate dancer.

When I see headlines like this, I feel sorry for all of the unknown actors out there who also happen to be trained dancers, and would kill for a break like this. Perhaps there aren't many of them in L.A., but surely they wouldn't be hard for a casting director to track down in New York.

Finally, W&W to R32 for use of the word "terpsichorean."

by Anonymousreply 45November 19, 2018 7:04 PM

this is DLers' wet dream, and it Will have negative ratings since the old bitches on here are the only ones interested in Fosse and his Wife. when i read the title of the series i hoped this was the new Feud season but no...

by Anonymousreply 46November 23, 2018 11:31 PM

I wonder if Busy Phillips is one of Michelle's secret fuck buddies.

by Anonymousreply 47November 23, 2018 11:35 PM

Good god I pray they are!!!!!

I'm not sold on Michelle being straight. Her "relationships" are very suspect. Saffron Foer for years (despite not one picture of them), then that financier who she had fake pics taken on a beach a few months ago with an engagement ring, and now she says she's married to some unknown hipster rockstar from Oregon???

Fuckking odd. Yep, she's a dyke.

by Anonymousreply 48November 24, 2018 5:33 PM

r45 One set of moves is one set more than Roy Scheider had, and he was still phenomenal on All That Jazz. They'll do quick cutaways. Sam Rockwell will be fine.

Evan Handler as Hal Prince and Ethan Slater as Joel Grey seem spot on.

by Anonymousreply 49November 24, 2018 6:54 PM

But does this bitch have what it takes to recreate the creme brûlée scene.

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by Anonymousreply 50November 24, 2018 7:05 PM

OMGOMGO G

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by Anonymousreply 51January 7, 2019 2:34 AM

Just saw the preview on the Golden Globes and my first thought was how can Michelle be tall enough to play a dancer? Well I looked up her and Gwen’s height and they were both 5’4”. How the hell did Gwen make it as a Broadway dancer at that height?

by Anonymousreply 52January 7, 2019 3:47 AM

R52, female dancers can't be too tall, or they'd tower over too many potential partners. So most dancers are of average height or shorter, but they're so thin that they have the elongated proportions of models.

by Anonymousreply 53January 7, 2019 3:53 AM

Jeez, R51, that promo makes it look like a remake of "All That Jazz".

by Anonymousreply 54January 7, 2019 3:54 AM

Most female dancers, like gymnasts, were not tall.

by Anonymousreply 55January 7, 2019 4:05 AM

R53, I spent the 80s in Las Vegas and they were statuesque. You would go to the produce department at the grocery store and they would be standing around buying lettuces and looking like Amazons!

by Anonymousreply 56January 7, 2019 4:17 AM

R56, they weren't dancers, they were showgirls. Big difference.

by Anonymousreply 57January 7, 2019 4:20 AM

Ann Miller was tall for a dancer.

by Anonymousreply 58January 7, 2019 4:21 AM

Those were showgirls. Not dancers any where near the caliber of Gwen Verdon.

by Anonymousreply 59January 7, 2019 4:21 AM

[quote] Those were showgirls. Not dancers any where near the caliber of Gwen Verdon.

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 60January 7, 2019 4:22 AM

Did Sam Rockwell ever get married? I used to be convinced he was gay.

by Anonymousreply 61January 7, 2019 4:40 AM

Have they hired anyone yet to play me?

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by Anonymousreply 62January 7, 2019 4:52 AM

Fosse and Verdon were two giant talents and the fact that they had a relationship and were married makes them even more intriguing (to me). I will very much want to see this.

I think Rockwell and Williams are decent enough actors to make it interesting.

by Anonymousreply 63January 7, 2019 6:29 AM

[quote]Did Sam Rockwell ever get married? I used to be convinced he was gay.

He's with Leslie Bibb. I don't think they're married though.

by Anonymousreply 64January 7, 2019 6:31 AM

Here's the teaser again. The one above would not play for me.

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by Anonymousreply 65January 7, 2019 11:09 AM

It's not about height R52, but about proportion.

by Anonymousreply 66January 7, 2019 11:19 AM

R65, love that teaser.

by Anonymousreply 67January 7, 2019 11:26 AM

me, too

by Anonymousreply 68January 7, 2019 11:29 AM

To premiere April 9

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by Anonymousreply 69January 23, 2019 5:01 PM

Michelle looks amazing

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by Anonymousreply 70February 24, 2019 7:26 PM

Can someone explain Michelle Williams to me? She was rumored to have been dating Jon Safron Foer for years but oddly not ONE SINGLE photo of them together exists in paparazzi heavy brooklyn or nyc in general. Then she was photographed on an island with some financier and she was wearing a huge diamond ring.

Three months later she announces in public interview -- something she never does --- that she's actually married to some granola rock star that nobody has ever heard of called Phil Everloom.

The fuck?

by Anonymousreply 71February 24, 2019 8:08 PM

Poor Michelle. She really looks like Gwen. This is what she has to look forward to.

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by Anonymousreply 72February 24, 2019 8:14 PM

I'd watch Michelle Williams read the telephone book and I'm even unlisted! I saw the trailer and it looks great!

by Anonymousreply 73February 24, 2019 8:18 PM

Williams is wonderful. Always enjoy her.

I loved her in Blue Valentine

by Anonymousreply 74February 24, 2019 8:23 PM

Sam Rockwell with his top off makes me tingle, down there.

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by Anonymousreply 75February 24, 2019 8:36 PM

Here's your LIZA!!

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by Anonymousreply 76February 26, 2019 4:41 PM

I hope it lives up to that trailer!

by Anonymousreply 77February 26, 2019 4:43 PM

He awesome in "Vice". They should have expanded his role, called it "Mission Accomplished" and had him co-star with Bale.

by Anonymousreply 78February 26, 2019 4:49 PM

They are - if Barbra Streisand IS Hud!

by Anonymousreply 79February 26, 2019 5:15 PM

New trailer

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by Anonymousreply 80February 28, 2019 7:23 PM

I don't get Michelle Williams - she has the deadest eyes that I've ever seen. Her expression never seems to change - smiling just involves showing her teeth, no life behind it.

by Anonymousreply 81February 28, 2019 7:38 PM

Heavily medicated. She's a pill addict. Never mind the ten pounds of weed she smokes every day.

by Anonymousreply 82February 28, 2019 8:06 PM

Whoever's playing Liza looks pretty good.

by Anonymousreply 83February 28, 2019 8:39 PM

r24 how was it? Is she any good?

by Anonymousreply 84February 28, 2019 8:41 PM

Her wig looks awful

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by Anonymousreply 85March 1, 2019 2:30 AM

LIZA

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by Anonymousreply 86March 12, 2019 10:45 PM

CHITA

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by Anonymousreply 87March 12, 2019 10:46 PM

I am so not interested.

by Anonymousreply 88March 12, 2019 10:46 PM

And then there's Ann.

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by Anonymousreply 89March 12, 2019 10:47 PM

She was great as Marilyn Monroe and he nailed Chuck Barris.

by Anonymousreply 90March 12, 2019 11:08 PM

Hollywood Reporter review:

Through the first two episodes, out of eight, sent to critics, Fosse/Verdon feels like a more restrictive thing. If you're familiar with Fosse's choreography — obligatory "jazz hands!" jokes need not apply — and the who's who of '60s and '70s Broadway and can sing along to the entirety of Sweet Charity and Cabaret and Damn Yankees, there's a lot to enjoy here, starting with Rockwell and Williams. Beyond that, however, the early installments of Fosse/Verdon lean way too heavily on familiar genre tropes relating to self-destructive geniuses and the long-suffering women who love them. The love story of Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon should open up as something bigger than just another well-cast prestige TV antihero saga. So far, it hasn't.

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by Anonymousreply 91March 14, 2019 3:35 PM

It wraps on the 25th.

by Anonymousreply 92March 14, 2019 3:38 PM

Variety review.

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by Anonymousreply 93March 14, 2019 7:51 PM

I never even finished Michelle Williams' Marilyn Monroe movie, it was so boring.

by Anonymousreply 94March 14, 2019 8:16 PM

Waaaa! I'm Marilyn Monroe, a woman-baby who can't handle the tiniest criticism without bursting into tears.

by Anonymousreply 95March 14, 2019 8:21 PM

Will Fosse's legacy ever be changed by his sexual harassment and near rapes? Jennifer Nairn Smith relates how he attempted to rape her before she kneed him in the balls.

by Anonymousreply 96March 14, 2019 8:22 PM

Since Nicole Fosse is one of the executive producers, I doubt such issues will be included.

by Anonymousreply 97March 14, 2019 9:11 PM

Revisionism, just like 'Bohemian Rhapsody.'

by Anonymousreply 98March 14, 2019 9:18 PM

Unless she is in a Daddy Dearest mood.

by Anonymousreply 99March 14, 2019 9:20 PM

They have 3 actors playing Nicole! I hope they recreate her famous moment from All That Jazz - "Can you do that somewhere else please?!"

by Anonymousreply 100March 14, 2019 9:29 PM

I never understood why the hot male dancer, following “Take Off With Us,” looked lustfully at the composer, who was a dweeb.

by Anonymousreply 101March 14, 2019 9:49 PM

I thought he was looking at a producer. Reason could be ambition, or there's no accounting for taste.

by Anonymousreply 102March 14, 2019 9:51 PM

No, the guy he was looking at, the one usung breath spray, was the composer.

by Anonymousreply 103March 15, 2019 12:15 AM

R103, you're totally wrong. The guy is one of the assistants to the producer. I don't know who Fosse modeled him on but he's often seen doing things like combing his hair. I don't think he has any lines in the film. The composer is based on Fred Ebb, which is obvious.

by Anonymousreply 104March 15, 2019 1:08 AM

No, R104, YOU’RE totally wrong. The dancer is looking at Ted Christopher, played by Robert Hitt. He’s the composer. Anthony Holland played the lyricist, clearly based on lyricist Fred Ebb. Watch the damn sequence again.

by Anonymousreply 105March 15, 2019 1:13 AM

Sam used to have the hottest ass in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 106March 15, 2019 1:16 AM

How are they going to deal with Fosee in metoo era? He was self admitted king of casting couch.

by Anonymousreply 107March 15, 2019 1:22 AM

Complain all you want about the particulars of this, but I for one can't wait to see it!

by Anonymousreply 108March 15, 2019 1:26 AM

R103, how is he the composer? He's never seen doing a single thing in the movie. Why is the Fred Ebb icon doing all the piano playing?

by Anonymousreply 109March 15, 2019 1:32 AM

Interesting that Rockwell seems like such an "aw-shucks" nice-guy, and yet he generally (with a few exceptions) plays scumbag roles. He's talented at some kind of acting, it's just hard to say which kind exactly.

by Anonymousreply 110March 15, 2019 1:40 AM

I had another look at All That Jazz. Ted Christopher does have some lines in the film but in the scene where he watches Paul sing "Take Off With Us" it seems to me that he is not the composer.

by Anonymousreply 111March 15, 2019 11:57 AM

michelle Williams ruins every movie she touches down in.

miss misery and glooooom.

by Anonymousreply 112March 15, 2019 12:38 PM

I want to watch this. Sam Rockwell is totally doable.

by Anonymousreply 113March 15, 2019 12:49 PM

Something tells me Michelle Williams is the frontrunner for the Emmy and SAG Awards for this.

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by Anonymousreply 114April 3, 2019 9:33 PM

I bet Williams will find a way to tell us how the ghosts of her relationship with Heath Ledger informed her performance in Fosse. She never fails to bring his name up, play that card every time she is interviewed for some big project,all with the disclaimer that"she hates to talk about it..."

by Anonymousreply 115April 3, 2019 9:51 PM

In fact, the WIlliams hype machine will go into high gear with this project. And really it's Rockwell who ought to be getting any accolades they pass out. His work is the headline. Fosse is a fucking legend, and he had a very specific style and skill as a dancer/choreographer. This series looks like it has a lot of dancing in it, so Rockwell ought to be the absolute center of it, but we will get way too much Michele Williams.

by Anonymousreply 116April 3, 2019 9:54 PM

no they aren't

by Anonymousreply 117April 3, 2019 10:09 PM

R110, Sam is superb at the "kind of acting" where one inhabits the character such that the performance seems not to be one, but to be "real."

Plus, he himself projects humanity, decency, and openness, and thus brings (at least glimpses of) those qualities to characters who might be less than savory. See: "Three Billboards...".

by Anonymousreply 118April 4, 2019 12:50 AM

Who did they get to play me?

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by Anonymousreply 119April 4, 2019 1:55 AM

First look.

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by Anonymousreply 120April 4, 2019 9:32 PM

Was Kylie Jenner or one the Kardashian girls not available to play Jess? It would seem appropriate for a model turned, ahem, “actress”.

by Anonymousreply 121April 4, 2019 9:38 PM

Air-Otica!

by Anonymousreply 122April 4, 2019 9:43 PM

Does Michelle do Brass Band?

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by Anonymousreply 123April 4, 2019 9:50 PM

Starts 4/9. See you next Tuesday!

by Anonymousreply 124April 4, 2019 9:56 PM

The reviews so far seem to indicate that this won’t be for everyone. Well, fuck that, it will be totally mesmerizing to those of us who are interested in things about creative geniuses like Fosse.

by Anonymousreply 125April 9, 2019 12:32 AM

R25 If FEUD can be a series, this can. I loved FEUD and look forward to this.

by Anonymousreply 126April 9, 2019 1:59 AM

Well?

by Anonymousreply 127April 10, 2019 3:07 AM

Yes, Well?

by Anonymousreply 128April 10, 2019 3:12 AM

It was OK. Rockwell and Williams were fine, but it really wasn't that engaging.

by Anonymousreply 129April 10, 2019 3:18 AM

I liked it A LOT! Especially HER!

by Anonymousreply 130April 10, 2019 3:23 AM

Feud bombed.

by Anonymousreply 131April 10, 2019 3:24 AM

I really liked it.

by Anonymousreply 132April 10, 2019 3:30 AM

So boring.

by Anonymousreply 133April 10, 2019 3:35 AM

It's all right. I think the next installments will prove more interesting.

by Anonymousreply 134April 10, 2019 4:29 AM

It's fine. I don't really find their story intriguing. Fosse seems like a complete asshole and woman abuser/user. Michelle is the best thing so far.

by Anonymousreply 135April 10, 2019 5:18 AM

It's fab. I love it. Fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 136April 10, 2019 6:08 AM

I never imagine Bob Fosse as a bald midget with a mouth like a chicken's ass - but I could be wrong. I really liked Williams....

Most of recreations were okay....and the previews seem to say they will show us MORE about Fosse and his Broadway beginnings....so that's good.

The Liza was awful......Joan Simon was fun, but doesn't seem to fit with written accounts of her. AND I didn't recognize Norbert as Paddy Chayefsky.

I will keep watching, but Rockwell's moves are definitely a big minus.

by Anonymousreply 137April 10, 2019 4:46 PM

She was way too good for him. He didn't deserve her.

by Anonymousreply 138April 10, 2019 6:52 PM

I think she felt the opposite

by Anonymousreply 139April 10, 2019 7:36 PM

Why would she think that? She was the true talent in the relationship.

by Anonymousreply 140April 10, 2019 8:40 PM

R140 yes, but she was very insecure and not a liberated female/

by Anonymousreply 141April 10, 2019 9:12 PM

Sad. 😮

by Anonymousreply 142April 10, 2019 9:54 PM

Mmmmmmmmm Michelle Williams? The same Michelle Williams that starred in Weinstein movies and sat next to Harvey practically on his lap smiling when Meryl called him God?

The same Michelle Williams who has never mentioned Harvey once since #metoo and has never commented on her "working" relationship with him?

People are wound up on Goop and J-Law getting down with Harv, but the real scoop is what about those that haven't said shit.

Like me.

by Anonymousreply 143April 13, 2019 6:10 PM

"You married him because he was a dancer, and in those days that meant queer!"

by Anonymousreply 144April 13, 2019 6:23 PM

What about all the men Fosse fucked? Are they gonna show that?

by Anonymousreply 145April 14, 2019 2:29 AM

The rumor mills are churning that Rockwell and Michelle are together and thats why she announced she split with her husband after a few months lol.

Did Rockwell split from Bibb?

I wonder if this is just to hype up the movie.

by Anonymousreply 146April 26, 2019 5:53 PM

They are both so good in this, but Williams is really spectacular. She should get an Emmy for the last episode.

by Anonymousreply 147April 26, 2019 7:36 PM

Williams does have Verdon's voice down.

by Anonymousreply 148April 26, 2019 7:56 PM

This show led to read more about Carol Haney. A great dancer and Gene Kelly's assistant in many amazing films. She died of alcoholism at 39.

by Anonymousreply 149April 26, 2019 8:06 PM

I highly doubt that Sam has left Leslie.

by Anonymousreply 150April 27, 2019 4:23 AM

I read the bio it was based on, and, although it made me loath Fosse the man, it did make me want to revisit some of his movies and choreography. I've watched three episodes of the mini series. Williams is pretty fantastic, but the movie seems to be intent on showing that she was the one with the talent. I think that might be revisionist history, although there is no doubt he listened to her. Rockwell is not doing well. He comes across as petulant and a bit of a cypher. You have no idea why he is as lucky with the ladies as he is, other than the power imbalance. It is nice to see the recreation of some of the set pieces, and I will certainly watch the rest of it.

by Anonymousreply 151April 27, 2019 4:40 AM

R145 -- Did Fosse fuck around with men? I read the bio a long time ago, and do not remember if it addressed that. My guess is that anyone who is that ambitious would do what it takes to get ahead. He was also a cute twink when he was younger. Also, my experience has been that someone who is as sexually-driven as he was would swing the other way on occasion. It is likely he was a sex addict, and I have found they often get their fix from whomever they can.

by Anonymousreply 152April 27, 2019 3:53 PM

Tonight: Fosse's star rises, while Gwen's stalls. Ann Reinking enters the picture. Hopefully Rockwell will get a chance to do more than light cigarettes, look stressed, and beg for help all the time.

by Anonymousreply 153April 30, 2019 7:57 PM

I wish this show was better. I just don't know what they're going for. It's not fun, it's not good dancing, it's not sexy, what is it?

by Anonymousreply 154April 30, 2019 8:19 PM

I feel the same, R154. It’s not “bad”, but...

by Anonymousreply 155April 30, 2019 11:53 PM

Yum, more Jake Lacey as Gwen’s boytoy lover.

by Anonymousreply 156May 1, 2019 2:52 AM

R154, I think "what they're going for" is a star turn for Sam.

by Anonymousreply 157May 2, 2019 10:05 AM

I don't see how this can last more than one season. Entertaining and sad, but also limited.

by Anonymousreply 158May 2, 2019 6:29 PM

Straight?

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by Anonymousreply 159May 2, 2019 10:11 PM

Fosse was a pussy hound, clearly, but apparently, if he couldn't find a good woman for the night, he'd go home with a dude. Several well-known Broadway and Hollywood actors said they had done him, including Harold Lang.

by Anonymousreply 160May 2, 2019 10:12 PM

Watching the series has made me want to see All That Jazz, which I have not seen since it first came out, and I was far too young to understand anything in it. It is not on Netflix or Amazon. Does anyone know where it is streaming? I don't have tv, just a computer. Thanks

by Anonymousreply 161May 2, 2019 10:28 PM

The highlight for me is Williams' acting. She even "acts" the songs very well, in spite of a hit-or-miss voice. Too bad she can't really dance.

by Anonymousreply 162May 3, 2019 5:27 PM

Agreed, Williams is worth it. The rest of it... not so much.

by Anonymousreply 163May 3, 2019 10:01 PM

Sam and Michelle are both doing a great job. The story is better than the script as are the musical numbers.

by Anonymousreply 164May 3, 2019 10:30 PM

Are they banging off camera in real life IE why Williams announced she was suddenly divorced after 3 months of marriage lol?

by Anonymousreply 165May 4, 2019 6:30 AM

How old is Catherine supposed to be?

by Anonymousreply 166May 6, 2019 12:25 AM

Wrong thread. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 167May 6, 2019 12:26 AM

r165 Leslie would never allow it. She has him on a tight leash, I think.

by Anonymousreply 168May 6, 2019 12:58 AM

If Rockwell was banging Michelle Williams, the whole thing would add up with her divorce, although they filmed this show a while ago.

by Anonymousreply 169May 9, 2019 7:50 PM

Sam was miscast.

by Anonymousreply 170May 16, 2019 1:56 AM

R161, All That Jazz should be on the Criterion Channel. If not, you can just buy the Criterion DVD.

by Anonymousreply 171May 16, 2019 2:03 AM

If the strippers were younger and better-looking what are you been that traumatized?

by Anonymousreply 172May 16, 2019 2:51 AM

Michelle is a joy to watch, she is even slowly adding the raspy shaky voice as Gwen ages. Sublime. Always the nominee, 4 Oscar, 4 BAFTA, a Tony nom, at least the Golden Globes showed her some love once on five nominations.

by Anonymousreply 173May 16, 2019 2:51 AM

I think the problem is less Rockwell than the script. He cannot show Fosse's humor and charm because the script has not given him much opportunity to do so. Other than make Fosse a gleeful monster, there is not much he can do with the material.

by Anonymousreply 174May 16, 2019 11:42 AM

I'm in love with Michelle Williams. I know she seems bland and weird in real life and probably a total mess of a person.

But I cant help it. I think she's so cute and captivating.

by Anonymousreply 175May 17, 2019 8:01 PM

Bob is portrayed as a sad mess, much more than in real life. There is not enough about show business itself. I wonder if any of the script writers have even been involved in a Broadway show in any capacity. Clearly they've never been dancers.

by Anonymousreply 176May 17, 2019 8:03 PM

I've never thought much about Williams until this show. I was nervous because I adored Verdon, but damnit if it's not as if Williams has summoned her spirit. She's keeping me tuned in to what is a pretty dour show. I hope we get a few good Chicago recreations at least. Williams has a rather pleasant singing voice. It's limited, like Verdon's was as well, but it's nice.

by Anonymousreply 177May 17, 2019 8:05 PM

Wow Fosse was nailing everything that walked. I wonder what the appeal was -- his genius as an artist? The character doesn't seem likable or cool or interesting or charming. And is ugly.

Meanwhile Michelle Williams is fucking fantastic. Her accent and body movement.

by Anonymousreply 178May 19, 2019 6:00 AM

Not one of Fosse's jokes has made me laugh or smile. Especially the standup cuts when he's supposed to be um .. you know ... witty and funny.

Is it Rockwell?

by Anonymousreply 179May 19, 2019 6:01 AM

I think Rockwell is making the most of a middling script.

by Anonymousreply 180May 19, 2019 7:52 AM

That whole "Fosse doing standup as Lenny" device was AWFUL. And for the love of God, WHY do they keep hammering us over the head with shots of preteen Bobby traumatized by being mauled by fat strippers? OKAY - WE GET IT!!

It appears some of the more famous supporting characters, such as Liza and Chita, are allowed one line each. Also in 1975 I believe there were hospitals in NYC that looked a lot better than that gruesome green dungeon straight out of CUCKOO'S NEST. ZERO chemistry/connection between Fosse and poor Ann Reinking, who is just called upon to widen her eyeballs and accept a grimy old tuna fish sandwich from some old guy (WTF??) And this week's obligatory Nicole sequence with Gwen dressing her up like some pimp was RIDICULOUS. This show WASTES so much time. It gets more disappointing each week.

I hope when Bob finally bites the dust in the last episode that the last thing he sees is not some vision of a fat jiggly stripper!

by Anonymousreply 181May 19, 2019 3:37 PM

You always have to have a villian.

by Anonymousreply 182May 19, 2019 4:00 PM

[quote] It gets more disappointing each week.

Just stop watching, Dear. Problem solved. But you won't.

by Anonymousreply 183May 19, 2019 4:05 PM

Since the ratings are so spectacularly bad and have been dropping every week, many people are heeding the advice to just not watch.

by Anonymousreply 184May 19, 2019 4:07 PM

[quote]And this week's obligatory Nicole sequence with Gwen dressing her up like some pimp was RIDICULOUS.

You do realize there was a time that children under 16 weren't allowed in to a hospital, might still be, don't you? When my brother was born we had to look up at my Mopther's hospital window as she held him up. Don't get your Nicole hate but children are actually involved in their parents lives and being a kid seeing their father hooked up to machines and in such bad condition would be an important part of the story.

by Anonymousreply 185May 19, 2019 4:10 PM

Will Carol Haney make an appearance?

by Anonymousreply 186May 19, 2019 4:22 PM

184 -- are the ratings really bad?

Id like to know how they compare to the Bette Davis Crawford series.

I think they all did this for some awards and Globes, which they will no doubt be nominated for.

by Anonymousreply 187May 19, 2019 6:13 PM

I love this show. Michelle Williams is brilliant. I hope she wins the Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 188May 19, 2019 6:16 PM

Fosse/Verdon has averaged a 0.11 while Feud averaged 0.34.

by Anonymousreply 189May 19, 2019 6:35 PM

Fosse/Verdon is a niche series that is aiming for prestige (in the form of critical accolades and awards), than ratings glory. They are competing with HBO and Netflix for prestige projects, so with Fosse/Verdon they are showcasing their eclectic programming to draw in more talent.

by Anonymousreply 190May 19, 2019 7:32 PM

R190, the show is lousy, the ratings are lousy and the reviews are lousy.

by Anonymousreply 191May 19, 2019 8:28 PM

The show skimps on what people are actually turning in to see, behind the scenes and famous personalities, and gives generous helpings of things that are mostly irrelevant to the audience. Paddy Chayefsky and a dull Neil Simon aren't cutting it.

by Anonymousreply 192May 21, 2019 12:32 AM

The Paddy character has ZERO NYC ACCENT .... nothing in his voice screams Bronx upbringing it's so annoying. The first scene when he appears in Episode 1 was a disgrace. The dialogue was right but my lord Paddy C spoke like was slinging herring barrels on the streets of each Borough. His accent was STRONG.

They failed miserably at that, though it's a decent physical resemblance.

by Anonymousreply 193May 21, 2019 4:56 PM

AND WHERE IS HERB GARDNER?????!!

by Anonymousreply 194May 21, 2019 5:20 PM

It's not a good show.

by Anonymousreply 195May 21, 2019 5:38 PM

Never miss hate watching it.

Not since "Smash"

by Anonymousreply 196May 21, 2019 5:41 PM

I think they're trying to make it more interesting by making Fosse out to be more of a monster than he really was. After all, what's a show without a villain? There's not enough actual conflict to make a multi-episode show about. What they're actually doing is turning it into a dour slog. Michelle Williams will walk away from this not only unscathed, but even more respected. She's carrying the entire thing on her shoulders.

by Anonymousreply 197May 21, 2019 6:22 PM

There's more dancing in a World War II movie.

by Anonymousreply 198May 21, 2019 6:42 PM

Jessica Lange is probably still watching for Michelle (one of her favorites she always says) but she must think this is a total mess.

The Lenny monologues are bad writing at its finest.

The ratings must be abysmal by now. They were bad two weeks ago.

by Anonymousreply 199May 21, 2019 7:02 PM

I read the Clive Barnes New York Time's review and wow he did go after Fosse. He loved Gwen, Chita and Jerry Orbach but said

"One might be tempted to say that never in the history of the Broadway theater has so much been done by so many for so few final results- but then one remembers "Pippin".

"Chicago" despite it's disappointments, is easily one of the best musicals of the season, it is brassy, sassy and raunchy, but mechanical. A couple of years ago Mr. Fosse created a one-minute commercial for "Pippin" that helped the other119 minutes no end. He should start work on another commercial".

Is it me or was that a typo? Does he probably mean ...helped the other119 minutes TO no end?

by Anonymousreply 200May 22, 2019 10:20 AM

If Gwen Verdon had looked like Michelle Williams, she might have had a film career.

by Anonymousreply 201May 22, 2019 2:06 PM

Now we need a mini-series with Jessica Lange and Michelle Williams together.

by Anonymousreply 202May 22, 2019 5:25 PM

Well, at least Rockwell got to do a little dancing last night. He was very good.

AND I think Fosse was right about NOWADAYS being a Velma/Roxie duet.

by Anonymousreply 203May 22, 2019 5:43 PM

"The Paddy character has ZERO NYC ACCENT .... nothing in his voice screams Bronx upbringing it's so annoying. The first scene when he appears in Episode 1 was a disgrace. The dialogue was right but my lord Paddy C spoke like was slinging herring barrels on the streets of each Borough. His accent was STRONG. They failed miserably at that, though it's a decent physical resemblance."

That "miserable failure" was a choice:

"I’m from the Midwest, and Paddy Chayefsky was born and raised in the Bronx. As someone said on set, he was a professional Jew, you know? He was the real deal. So if I were to have really gone and really done his voice, I don’t think people would’ve understood half of what I was saying. It was very Bernie Sanders. On a small screen, that can tip into caricature-land, so it was just sort of trying to find the basic cadence and work with that."

But knowing this won't stop you from coming up with some other ridiculous complaint.

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by Anonymousreply 204May 22, 2019 5:56 PM

Norbert Leo Butz looks very attractive on this show. I've never thought much about him, but the beard and hairstyle really suits him.

by Anonymousreply 205May 22, 2019 6:03 PM

Unlike R200, I doubt the bitchy Barnes would misuse an apostrophe.

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by Anonymousreply 206May 22, 2019 6:06 PM

To end the gossip once and for all: I slept with Bob Fosse

by Anonymousreply 207May 22, 2019 7:26 PM

[quote]Unlike [R200], I doubt the bitchy Barnes would misuse an apostrophe.

What are you babbling about an apostrophe? The sentence is....

" a one-minute commercial for "Pippin" that helped the other 119 minutes no end."

I want to know if that is grammatically correct or a typo, either Barnes or the typesetter's and should read

a one-minute commercial for "Pippin" that helped the other119 minutes to no end.

by Anonymousreply 208May 22, 2019 9:09 PM

Wow, R200/R208, you're not only an idiot, you're screeching harpy of an idiot.

Look again. See where you fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 209May 22, 2019 9:11 PM

Now they have massive flooding and houses falling into the rivers!

by Anonymousreply 210May 23, 2019 2:33 AM

[quote] Also in 1975 I believe there were hospitals in NYC that looked a lot better than that gruesome green dungeon straight out of CUCKOO'S NEST.

There really weren't. That was pretty much par for the course.

by Anonymousreply 211May 23, 2019 2:55 AM

"Nowadays" works better as a duet because if Roxie were left with absolutely nothing at the end of the story, the musical would be too depressing. She can't go back to Amos, and she is too much a nine-days' wonder to make any more money out of her story; but at least she has a friend by the end with whom she can work.

by Anonymousreply 212May 23, 2019 2:59 AM

People in Hollywood are stupid. Paddy's accent was perfectly understandable. I understood him when he accepted his oscars, and when he flamed Redgrave about her political zionist stuff at the awards years later.

by Anonymousreply 213May 23, 2019 3:04 AM

It would be terrific if Michelle could play 'Roxie' in CHICAGO right now in New York. I think she'd be able to handle Roxie's dance movements, if adapted, but unfortunately 'The Hot Honey Rag' would be almost impossible for her, it's such a difficult dance.

by Anonymousreply 214May 23, 2019 3:08 AM

Honey, if Christie fucking Brinkley can play Roxie Hart, anyone can. I didn't say she played her well, but the producers of Chicago would be lucky to get someone like Michelle Williams at this point.

Although, I'll be honest - as much as I'm loving Michelle as Gwen, I didn't care for her as Sally Bowles in Cabaret a few years ago. Emma Stone came in after her and was surprisingly brilliant, but Michelle was too waif like for the role. She wasn't bawdy or wild enough. She seemed like someone super boring desperately trying to make other people believe that she's wild and adventurous without ever actually seeming wild or adventurous.

by Anonymousreply 215May 23, 2019 3:12 AM

R208, I'll help you. Barne's phrase means the exact opposite of yours.

by Anonymousreply 216May 23, 2019 6:53 AM

Sorry, meant to type Barnes' of course.

by Anonymousreply 217May 23, 2019 6:54 AM

[quote]Honey, if Christie fucking Brinkley can play Roxie Hart, anyone can. I didn't say she played her well, but the producers of Chicago would be lucky to get someone like Michelle Williams at this point.

Well, someone likes her, she's done London, Vegas and now Broadway twice.

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by Anonymousreply 218May 23, 2019 11:12 AM

Chita, Gwen & Liza

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by Anonymousreply 219May 23, 2019 11:17 AM

I don't care for Williams singing voice.

by Anonymousreply 220May 23, 2019 12:04 PM

At first I thought her accent was cartoonish doing Verdon, but Im ok now. I care for everything about Michelle Williams. I've got a big time crush on her.

by Anonymousreply 221May 23, 2019 5:52 PM

Williams has an insane, out of control vibrato that's all hers. You can hear it in the clips of her performance in Cabaret. If she could get that under control, she might have a lovely voice. It makes her always sound like she's nervous...which she probably is.

by Anonymousreply 222May 23, 2019 5:59 PM

Jesus, they're really painting Fosse out to be a malicious little cunt in this. No nuance whatsoever.

In the same episode where one of the chorus members tells him "all the dancers love you. You're so kind and you never scream at us, etc.", they make it out like he intentionally called the New York Times to come and review the show again with Liza just to piss off Gwen. Hell, I'm half expecting them to show a flashback where he shoves the confetti into Gwen's throat himself.

It all seems a little over the top to me, especially Gwen not being able to realize that Fosse's idea for the ending was way better than just having Roxie stand on the stage, sing "Nowadays", and bring down the curtain. What kind of ending would that have been?

by Anonymousreply 223May 23, 2019 6:05 PM

You're still not getting it, R200. High school dropout?

"despite it's disappointments"

"despite it's disappointments"

"despite it's disappointments"

by Anonymousreply 224May 23, 2019 6:07 PM

We don't get to see enough of Nicole's pouting.

by Anonymousreply 225May 23, 2019 8:08 PM

Reply 215 - Please don't call me 'Honey'. I'm Gwen. Simply Gwen.

by Anonymousreply 226May 24, 2019 1:13 AM

I don't mean to be a busy bee but .... who is Michelle dating now after her unceremonious ending of her recent marriage?

by Anonymousreply 227May 24, 2019 6:03 PM

Just watched this clip of Verdon and Rivera from the Mike Douglas show, and she really was pretty long in the tooth for that part.

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by Anonymousreply 228May 25, 2019 5:12 AM

The Real Roxie.

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by Anonymousreply 229May 25, 2019 8:17 PM

Fosse/Verdon is over. I enjoyed working on it. But it wasn't good, either as biography or drama (or musical).

by Anonymousreply 230May 31, 2019 10:51 PM

Never mind that, tell us if Rockwell is the reason Michelle announced the abrupt end of her 3 month old marriage.

by Anonymousreply 231June 1, 2019 2:38 AM

I don't know. I was never on the set with him, only with her (two different episodes).

by Anonymousreply 232June 1, 2019 2:47 AM

Is it true she got the hair department head fired in pre-production because she hated her wigs? And why was the costume designer William Ivey Long replaced in pre-production?

by Anonymousreply 233June 1, 2019 2:50 AM

Sam Rockwell can do whatever the fuck he wants. He’s A list and it’s about time!

by Anonymousreply 234June 1, 2019 3:29 AM

Yes, Sam Rockwell certainly can do whatever he wants- like playing Fossee with an ounce of charm or charisma,

by Anonymousreply 235June 1, 2019 1:06 PM

Damn! WITHOUT an ounce of charm or charisma.

by Anonymousreply 236June 1, 2019 1:18 PM

Rockwell sucks ass as an actor. All hokey and over the top instincts. Sadly, his career is where Ed Norton's should be. Who is about 100 million times the talent.

by Anonymousreply 237June 1, 2019 5:01 PM

Whether one did or did not admire the Rockwell and Williams performances or did or did not like the script, there are two things that have to be said: 1) It was an 8 episode limited series that needed only 4 episodes to cover those particular two lives. Would have had much more impact if it were all covered in fewer hours and would have found the right tempo - rhythms for storytelling. 2) It is not surprising that "outsiders" often consider theater a world of troubled, neurotic, psychotic, morally-bankrupt people when they have an entire series inflicted upon them that seems to say that IS what theater is all about !! As a retired pro that has worked in theater in two countries, I started resenting the series by the the third episode. I did, however, stick with it and here's a third thing that has to be said : Michelle Williams was brilliant and deserves a Best Actress Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 238June 1, 2019 6:37 PM

She does deserve an Emmy. The rest was utter crap.

by Anonymousreply 239June 1, 2019 7:50 PM

You said it, r239. A real embarrassment. And the fact that it was put together by "theater people" simply beggars belief.

by Anonymousreply 240June 1, 2019 8:24 PM

R238 And yet as a non-theater person, it all still looks very glamorous to me. I enjoyed the show, as flawed as it may have been.

by Anonymousreply 241June 2, 2019 5:01 PM

Im finishing it up tonight. As a non theater goer who knew of fosse but not verdon I enjoyed episodes 1-6 alot but episodes 7&8 are pretty badly done. Not sure if its the writing..?

by Anonymousreply 242June 3, 2019 3:56 PM

This just appeared on Hulu. Should I watch it?

by Anonymousreply 243August 15, 2019 8:39 PM
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