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Sam Rockwell IS Bob Fosse and Michelle Williams IS Gwen Verdon!
by Anonymous | reply 243 | August 15, 2019 8:39 PM |
They certainly are not.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | July 24, 2018 9:44 PM |
I'll watch Sam Rockwell in anything.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | July 24, 2018 9:46 PM |
This will be fun whether it sucks or not.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | July 24, 2018 9:50 PM |
Can he dance? Can she? Little detail to consider...
by Anonymous | reply 4 | July 24, 2018 9:51 PM |
I love the two of them, but...uh...
by Anonymous | reply 5 | July 24, 2018 9:53 PM |
Wow, I'll look forward to this!
by Anonymous | reply 6 | July 24, 2018 9:53 PM |
Michelle Williams is so bland.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | July 24, 2018 9:55 PM |
Gwen Verdon never translated to film either so it could work.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | July 24, 2018 9:57 PM |
A TV show about Fosse and Verdon starring non-dancers?
I don't get it.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | July 24, 2018 10:23 PM |
A movie about John Glenn and Neil Armstrong starring non-astronauts?
I don't get it.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | July 24, 2018 10:27 PM |
I've always seen her as more of a Joyce Bulifant.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | July 24, 2018 10:27 PM |
Sounds really straight and white.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | July 24, 2018 10:29 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 14 | July 24, 2018 10:31 PM |
I hope Lin doesn't cast himself as Jack Cole.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | July 24, 2018 10:35 PM |
Sorry, but no one will ever top Roy Scheider. He deserved the Oscar for All That Jazz.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | July 24, 2018 10:44 PM |
Sure, R10, Rockwell will have no trouble with this sort of thing.
And what about Williams, has she ever danced a step in her life?
by Anonymous | reply 17 | July 24, 2018 11:00 PM |
Gwen Verdon? Really?
by Anonymous | reply 18 | July 24, 2018 11:11 PM |
Well, they can use her dance double from The Greatest Showman.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | July 24, 2018 11:29 PM |
Margot Robbie played a world champion figure skater.
Jeeze some of you act like you've never seen a movie before.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | July 24, 2018 11:37 PM |
She danced her way into Heath Ledger's heart.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | July 24, 2018 11:40 PM |
Here are Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon from Damn Yankees.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | July 24, 2018 11:41 PM |
Oh fer chrissakes. They'll just dub their feet.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | July 24, 2018 11:46 PM |
Michelle danced in Cabaret on Broadway in 2014.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | July 24, 2018 11:47 PM |
I just wonder why a series. I mean, they worked, he fucked everything that moved, they separated, he died. Everyone who knows who they are knows that.
So where's enough material for a TV series?
by Anonymous | reply 25 | July 24, 2018 11:51 PM |
Williams is one of the most overrated actresses in Hollywood. No clue how she keeps getting roles in prestige pictures.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | July 24, 2018 11:53 PM |
I have no idea who either of them is but she must be one hell of a dancer if she's going to play Verdon, one of the best B'way dancers ever, not much of a singer but man could she dance. It was an honor to see her in person with several shows.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | July 25, 2018 12:01 AM |
I think there is plenty for a series, mostly because Verdon remained in Fosse's life and work after he moved on romantically to other women. Remember she was with him when he died, consulting on a revival of Sweet, Charity.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | July 25, 2018 12:29 AM |
[quote]Sorry, but no one will ever top Roy Scheider. He deserved the Oscar for All That Jazz.
Agreed but if they’re gonna do this, Rockwell’s a great choice.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | July 25, 2018 12:34 AM |
I'm quite surprised they didn't cast noted terpsichorean Elaine Benes as Gwen.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | July 25, 2018 5:56 PM |
Everytime I see Elaine do that I lose it. What a funny woman.
I like Rockwell well enough, but there sure isn't much variety in his moves.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | July 25, 2018 6:22 PM |
R21 lol
by Anonymous | reply 34 | July 25, 2018 6:50 PM |
"Sorry, but no one will ever top Roy Scheider. He deserved the Oscar for All That Jazz."
Agreed, he was incredible and was nominated, but the damn fool AMPAS voters didn't appreciate what they were seeing.
And it must have been a very strange experience for him, he was essentially playing the man who was directing his performance, but doing whatever screen actors do to make the director's emotional life work for the screen. Someone once asked why Fosse didn't play himself, because it was his life and experiences up there, and I said that he wasn't the kind of actor who could make his life into an Oscar-level performance, and Scheider was. It must have felt so incestuous.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | July 25, 2018 10:31 PM |
ALL THAT JAZZ was too much for me. I was expecting something different - having loved CABARET - but it was too depressing and disjointed.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | July 25, 2018 11:05 PM |
Michelle Williams to once again add her appalling lack of charisma to another work.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | July 26, 2018 1:23 AM |
Well, at least it’s being shot in NY and not fucking Toronto or Atlanta. A friend who works in wardrobe confirmed that today.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | July 26, 2018 1:27 AM |
God I dislike this actress, for just these reasons...boring, bland, no glamour.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | July 26, 2018 3:06 AM |
R39, then she's perfect for Verdon.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | July 26, 2018 3:14 AM |
This is soooooooooo odd.
5 months ago Michelle allowed herself to be photographed on a beach with the man-hunk Andrew Youmans and leaked that he was her rumored fiancee.
Now today she's married to Phil Everlum and calling him the love of her life!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
This doesn't smell right. Something is off about this whole charade.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | July 26, 2018 6:57 PM |
Joining previously announced Rockwell and Williams as series regulars are Tony winner
Norbert Leo Butz (Bloodline) as Paddy Chayefsky
Margaret Qualley (Novitiate) as Ann Reinking
Evan Handler (The People v. O.J. Simpson) as Hal Prince
Aya Cash (You’re The Worst) as Joan Simon
Nate Corddry (For All Mankind) as Neil Simon
Susan Misner (Jack Ryan) as Joan McCracken
Bianca Marroquin (Chicago) as Chita Rivera
Kelli Barrett (The Punisher) as Liza Minnelli
Rick Holmes (The Post) as Fred Weaver
Paul Reiser (There’s… Johnny!) as Cy Feuer
Ethan Slater (Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) as Joel Grey
Byron Jennings (Lincoln) as George Abbott
Laura Osnes (Elementary) as Shirley MacLaine.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | November 19, 2018 5:12 PM |
Michelle "you call it pixie cut i call it dyke cut" Williams who lives in Brooklyn which was recently voted the center of the lesbian universe .... she's GAY?
Yes is the answer.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | November 19, 2018 5:38 PM |
[quote]Nate Corddry (For All Mankind) as Neil Simon
Huh.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | November 19, 2018 5:50 PM |
I've dutifully watched all the Sam Rockwell dancing clips in this thread, and I'm underwhelmed. He dances like a more flexible Ellen DeGeneres. I know people like him in real life: They have one set of moves that they've perfected for parties and wedding receptions. That's not the same thing as having the decades of training, the technique, and the control of a legitimate dancer.
When I see headlines like this, I feel sorry for all of the unknown actors out there who also happen to be trained dancers, and would kill for a break like this. Perhaps there aren't many of them in L.A., but surely they wouldn't be hard for a casting director to track down in New York.
Finally, W&W to R32 for use of the word "terpsichorean."
by Anonymous | reply 45 | November 19, 2018 7:04 PM |
this is DLers' wet dream, and it Will have negative ratings since the old bitches on here are the only ones interested in Fosse and his Wife. when i read the title of the series i hoped this was the new Feud season but no...
by Anonymous | reply 46 | November 23, 2018 11:31 PM |
I wonder if Busy Phillips is one of Michelle's secret fuck buddies.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | November 23, 2018 11:35 PM |
Good god I pray they are!!!!!
I'm not sold on Michelle being straight. Her "relationships" are very suspect. Saffron Foer for years (despite not one picture of them), then that financier who she had fake pics taken on a beach a few months ago with an engagement ring, and now she says she's married to some unknown hipster rockstar from Oregon???
Fuckking odd. Yep, she's a dyke.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | November 24, 2018 5:33 PM |
r45 One set of moves is one set more than Roy Scheider had, and he was still phenomenal on All That Jazz. They'll do quick cutaways. Sam Rockwell will be fine.
Evan Handler as Hal Prince and Ethan Slater as Joel Grey seem spot on.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | November 24, 2018 6:54 PM |
But does this bitch have what it takes to recreate the creme brûlée scene.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | November 24, 2018 7:05 PM |
Just saw the preview on the Golden Globes and my first thought was how can Michelle be tall enough to play a dancer? Well I looked up her and Gwen’s height and they were both 5’4”. How the hell did Gwen make it as a Broadway dancer at that height?
by Anonymous | reply 52 | January 7, 2019 3:47 AM |
R52, female dancers can't be too tall, or they'd tower over too many potential partners. So most dancers are of average height or shorter, but they're so thin that they have the elongated proportions of models.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | January 7, 2019 3:53 AM |
Jeez, R51, that promo makes it look like a remake of "All That Jazz".
by Anonymous | reply 54 | January 7, 2019 3:54 AM |
Most female dancers, like gymnasts, were not tall.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | January 7, 2019 4:05 AM |
R53, I spent the 80s in Las Vegas and they were statuesque. You would go to the produce department at the grocery store and they would be standing around buying lettuces and looking like Amazons!
by Anonymous | reply 56 | January 7, 2019 4:17 AM |
R56, they weren't dancers, they were showgirls. Big difference.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | January 7, 2019 4:20 AM |
Ann Miller was tall for a dancer.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | January 7, 2019 4:21 AM |
Those were showgirls. Not dancers any where near the caliber of Gwen Verdon.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | January 7, 2019 4:21 AM |
[quote] Those were showgirls. Not dancers any where near the caliber of Gwen Verdon.
Mary!
by Anonymous | reply 60 | January 7, 2019 4:22 AM |
Did Sam Rockwell ever get married? I used to be convinced he was gay.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | January 7, 2019 4:40 AM |
Fosse and Verdon were two giant talents and the fact that they had a relationship and were married makes them even more intriguing (to me). I will very much want to see this.
I think Rockwell and Williams are decent enough actors to make it interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | January 7, 2019 6:29 AM |
[quote]Did Sam Rockwell ever get married? I used to be convinced he was gay.
He's with Leslie Bibb. I don't think they're married though.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | January 7, 2019 6:31 AM |
Here's the teaser again. The one above would not play for me.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | January 7, 2019 11:09 AM |
It's not about height R52, but about proportion.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | January 7, 2019 11:19 AM |
R65, love that teaser.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | January 7, 2019 11:26 AM |
me, too
by Anonymous | reply 68 | January 7, 2019 11:29 AM |
Can someone explain Michelle Williams to me? She was rumored to have been dating Jon Safron Foer for years but oddly not ONE SINGLE photo of them together exists in paparazzi heavy brooklyn or nyc in general. Then she was photographed on an island with some financier and she was wearing a huge diamond ring.
Three months later she announces in public interview -- something she never does --- that she's actually married to some granola rock star that nobody has ever heard of called Phil Everloom.
The fuck?
by Anonymous | reply 71 | February 24, 2019 8:08 PM |
Poor Michelle. She really looks like Gwen. This is what she has to look forward to.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | February 24, 2019 8:14 PM |
I'd watch Michelle Williams read the telephone book and I'm even unlisted! I saw the trailer and it looks great!
by Anonymous | reply 73 | February 24, 2019 8:18 PM |
Williams is wonderful. Always enjoy her.
I loved her in Blue Valentine
by Anonymous | reply 74 | February 24, 2019 8:23 PM |
Sam Rockwell with his top off makes me tingle, down there.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | February 24, 2019 8:36 PM |
I hope it lives up to that trailer!
by Anonymous | reply 77 | February 26, 2019 4:43 PM |
He awesome in "Vice". They should have expanded his role, called it "Mission Accomplished" and had him co-star with Bale.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | February 26, 2019 4:49 PM |
They are - if Barbra Streisand IS Hud!
by Anonymous | reply 79 | February 26, 2019 5:15 PM |
I don't get Michelle Williams - she has the deadest eyes that I've ever seen. Her expression never seems to change - smiling just involves showing her teeth, no life behind it.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | February 28, 2019 7:38 PM |
Heavily medicated. She's a pill addict. Never mind the ten pounds of weed she smokes every day.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | February 28, 2019 8:06 PM |
Whoever's playing Liza looks pretty good.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | February 28, 2019 8:39 PM |
r24 how was it? Is she any good?
by Anonymous | reply 84 | February 28, 2019 8:41 PM |
I am so not interested.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | March 12, 2019 10:46 PM |
She was great as Marilyn Monroe and he nailed Chuck Barris.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | March 12, 2019 11:08 PM |
Hollywood Reporter review:
Through the first two episodes, out of eight, sent to critics, Fosse/Verdon feels like a more restrictive thing. If you're familiar with Fosse's choreography — obligatory "jazz hands!" jokes need not apply — and the who's who of '60s and '70s Broadway and can sing along to the entirety of Sweet Charity and Cabaret and Damn Yankees, there's a lot to enjoy here, starting with Rockwell and Williams. Beyond that, however, the early installments of Fosse/Verdon lean way too heavily on familiar genre tropes relating to self-destructive geniuses and the long-suffering women who love them. The love story of Bob Fosse and Gwen Verdon should open up as something bigger than just another well-cast prestige TV antihero saga. So far, it hasn't.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | March 14, 2019 3:35 PM |
It wraps on the 25th.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | March 14, 2019 3:38 PM |
I never even finished Michelle Williams' Marilyn Monroe movie, it was so boring.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | March 14, 2019 8:16 PM |
Waaaa! I'm Marilyn Monroe, a woman-baby who can't handle the tiniest criticism without bursting into tears.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | March 14, 2019 8:21 PM |
Will Fosse's legacy ever be changed by his sexual harassment and near rapes? Jennifer Nairn Smith relates how he attempted to rape her before she kneed him in the balls.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | March 14, 2019 8:22 PM |
Since Nicole Fosse is one of the executive producers, I doubt such issues will be included.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | March 14, 2019 9:11 PM |
Revisionism, just like 'Bohemian Rhapsody.'
by Anonymous | reply 98 | March 14, 2019 9:18 PM |
Unless she is in a Daddy Dearest mood.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | March 14, 2019 9:20 PM |
They have 3 actors playing Nicole! I hope they recreate her famous moment from All That Jazz - "Can you do that somewhere else please?!"
by Anonymous | reply 100 | March 14, 2019 9:29 PM |
I never understood why the hot male dancer, following “Take Off With Us,” looked lustfully at the composer, who was a dweeb.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | March 14, 2019 9:49 PM |
I thought he was looking at a producer. Reason could be ambition, or there's no accounting for taste.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | March 14, 2019 9:51 PM |
No, the guy he was looking at, the one usung breath spray, was the composer.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | March 15, 2019 12:15 AM |
R103, you're totally wrong. The guy is one of the assistants to the producer. I don't know who Fosse modeled him on but he's often seen doing things like combing his hair. I don't think he has any lines in the film. The composer is based on Fred Ebb, which is obvious.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | March 15, 2019 1:08 AM |
No, R104, YOU’RE totally wrong. The dancer is looking at Ted Christopher, played by Robert Hitt. He’s the composer. Anthony Holland played the lyricist, clearly based on lyricist Fred Ebb. Watch the damn sequence again.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | March 15, 2019 1:13 AM |
Sam used to have the hottest ass in Hollywood.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | March 15, 2019 1:16 AM |
How are they going to deal with Fosee in metoo era? He was self admitted king of casting couch.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | March 15, 2019 1:22 AM |
Complain all you want about the particulars of this, but I for one can't wait to see it!
by Anonymous | reply 108 | March 15, 2019 1:26 AM |
R103, how is he the composer? He's never seen doing a single thing in the movie. Why is the Fred Ebb icon doing all the piano playing?
by Anonymous | reply 109 | March 15, 2019 1:32 AM |
Interesting that Rockwell seems like such an "aw-shucks" nice-guy, and yet he generally (with a few exceptions) plays scumbag roles. He's talented at some kind of acting, it's just hard to say which kind exactly.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | March 15, 2019 1:40 AM |
I had another look at All That Jazz. Ted Christopher does have some lines in the film but in the scene where he watches Paul sing "Take Off With Us" it seems to me that he is not the composer.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | March 15, 2019 11:57 AM |
michelle Williams ruins every movie she touches down in.
miss misery and glooooom.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | March 15, 2019 12:38 PM |
I want to watch this. Sam Rockwell is totally doable.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | March 15, 2019 12:49 PM |
Something tells me Michelle Williams is the frontrunner for the Emmy and SAG Awards for this.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | April 3, 2019 9:33 PM |
I bet Williams will find a way to tell us how the ghosts of her relationship with Heath Ledger informed her performance in Fosse. She never fails to bring his name up, play that card every time she is interviewed for some big project,all with the disclaimer that"she hates to talk about it..."
by Anonymous | reply 115 | April 3, 2019 9:51 PM |
In fact, the WIlliams hype machine will go into high gear with this project. And really it's Rockwell who ought to be getting any accolades they pass out. His work is the headline. Fosse is a fucking legend, and he had a very specific style and skill as a dancer/choreographer. This series looks like it has a lot of dancing in it, so Rockwell ought to be the absolute center of it, but we will get way too much Michele Williams.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | April 3, 2019 9:54 PM |
no they aren't
by Anonymous | reply 117 | April 3, 2019 10:09 PM |
R110, Sam is superb at the "kind of acting" where one inhabits the character such that the performance seems not to be one, but to be "real."
Plus, he himself projects humanity, decency, and openness, and thus brings (at least glimpses of) those qualities to characters who might be less than savory. See: "Three Billboards...".
by Anonymous | reply 118 | April 4, 2019 12:50 AM |
Was Kylie Jenner or one the Kardashian girls not available to play Jess? It would seem appropriate for a model turned, ahem, “actress”.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | April 4, 2019 9:38 PM |
Air-Otica!
by Anonymous | reply 122 | April 4, 2019 9:43 PM |
Starts 4/9. See you next Tuesday!
by Anonymous | reply 124 | April 4, 2019 9:56 PM |
The reviews so far seem to indicate that this won’t be for everyone. Well, fuck that, it will be totally mesmerizing to those of us who are interested in things about creative geniuses like Fosse.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | April 9, 2019 12:32 AM |
R25 If FEUD can be a series, this can. I loved FEUD and look forward to this.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | April 9, 2019 1:59 AM |
Well?
by Anonymous | reply 127 | April 10, 2019 3:07 AM |
Yes, Well?
by Anonymous | reply 128 | April 10, 2019 3:12 AM |
It was OK. Rockwell and Williams were fine, but it really wasn't that engaging.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | April 10, 2019 3:18 AM |
I liked it A LOT! Especially HER!
by Anonymous | reply 130 | April 10, 2019 3:23 AM |
Feud bombed.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | April 10, 2019 3:24 AM |
I really liked it.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | April 10, 2019 3:30 AM |
So boring.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | April 10, 2019 3:35 AM |
It's all right. I think the next installments will prove more interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | April 10, 2019 4:29 AM |
It's fine. I don't really find their story intriguing. Fosse seems like a complete asshole and woman abuser/user. Michelle is the best thing so far.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | April 10, 2019 5:18 AM |
It's fab. I love it. Fascinating.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | April 10, 2019 6:08 AM |
I never imagine Bob Fosse as a bald midget with a mouth like a chicken's ass - but I could be wrong. I really liked Williams....
Most of recreations were okay....and the previews seem to say they will show us MORE about Fosse and his Broadway beginnings....so that's good.
The Liza was awful......Joan Simon was fun, but doesn't seem to fit with written accounts of her. AND I didn't recognize Norbert as Paddy Chayefsky.
I will keep watching, but Rockwell's moves are definitely a big minus.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | April 10, 2019 4:46 PM |
She was way too good for him. He didn't deserve her.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | April 10, 2019 6:52 PM |
I think she felt the opposite
by Anonymous | reply 139 | April 10, 2019 7:36 PM |
Why would she think that? She was the true talent in the relationship.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | April 10, 2019 8:40 PM |
R140 yes, but she was very insecure and not a liberated female/
by Anonymous | reply 141 | April 10, 2019 9:12 PM |
Sad. 😮
by Anonymous | reply 142 | April 10, 2019 9:54 PM |
Mmmmmmmmm Michelle Williams? The same Michelle Williams that starred in Weinstein movies and sat next to Harvey practically on his lap smiling when Meryl called him God?
The same Michelle Williams who has never mentioned Harvey once since #metoo and has never commented on her "working" relationship with him?
People are wound up on Goop and J-Law getting down with Harv, but the real scoop is what about those that haven't said shit.
Like me.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | April 13, 2019 6:10 PM |
"You married him because he was a dancer, and in those days that meant queer!"
by Anonymous | reply 144 | April 13, 2019 6:23 PM |
What about all the men Fosse fucked? Are they gonna show that?
by Anonymous | reply 145 | April 14, 2019 2:29 AM |
The rumor mills are churning that Rockwell and Michelle are together and thats why she announced she split with her husband after a few months lol.
Did Rockwell split from Bibb?
I wonder if this is just to hype up the movie.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | April 26, 2019 5:53 PM |
They are both so good in this, but Williams is really spectacular. She should get an Emmy for the last episode.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | April 26, 2019 7:36 PM |
Williams does have Verdon's voice down.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | April 26, 2019 7:56 PM |
This show led to read more about Carol Haney. A great dancer and Gene Kelly's assistant in many amazing films. She died of alcoholism at 39.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | April 26, 2019 8:06 PM |
I highly doubt that Sam has left Leslie.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | April 27, 2019 4:23 AM |
I read the bio it was based on, and, although it made me loath Fosse the man, it did make me want to revisit some of his movies and choreography. I've watched three episodes of the mini series. Williams is pretty fantastic, but the movie seems to be intent on showing that she was the one with the talent. I think that might be revisionist history, although there is no doubt he listened to her. Rockwell is not doing well. He comes across as petulant and a bit of a cypher. You have no idea why he is as lucky with the ladies as he is, other than the power imbalance. It is nice to see the recreation of some of the set pieces, and I will certainly watch the rest of it.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | April 27, 2019 4:40 AM |
R145 -- Did Fosse fuck around with men? I read the bio a long time ago, and do not remember if it addressed that. My guess is that anyone who is that ambitious would do what it takes to get ahead. He was also a cute twink when he was younger. Also, my experience has been that someone who is as sexually-driven as he was would swing the other way on occasion. It is likely he was a sex addict, and I have found they often get their fix from whomever they can.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | April 27, 2019 3:53 PM |
Tonight: Fosse's star rises, while Gwen's stalls. Ann Reinking enters the picture. Hopefully Rockwell will get a chance to do more than light cigarettes, look stressed, and beg for help all the time.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | April 30, 2019 7:57 PM |
I wish this show was better. I just don't know what they're going for. It's not fun, it's not good dancing, it's not sexy, what is it?
by Anonymous | reply 154 | April 30, 2019 8:19 PM |
I feel the same, R154. It’s not “bad”, but...
by Anonymous | reply 155 | April 30, 2019 11:53 PM |
Yum, more Jake Lacey as Gwen’s boytoy lover.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | May 1, 2019 2:52 AM |
R154, I think "what they're going for" is a star turn for Sam.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | May 2, 2019 10:05 AM |
I don't see how this can last more than one season. Entertaining and sad, but also limited.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | May 2, 2019 6:29 PM |
Fosse was a pussy hound, clearly, but apparently, if he couldn't find a good woman for the night, he'd go home with a dude. Several well-known Broadway and Hollywood actors said they had done him, including Harold Lang.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | May 2, 2019 10:12 PM |
Watching the series has made me want to see All That Jazz, which I have not seen since it first came out, and I was far too young to understand anything in it. It is not on Netflix or Amazon. Does anyone know where it is streaming? I don't have tv, just a computer. Thanks
by Anonymous | reply 161 | May 2, 2019 10:28 PM |
The highlight for me is Williams' acting. She even "acts" the songs very well, in spite of a hit-or-miss voice. Too bad she can't really dance.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | May 3, 2019 5:27 PM |
Agreed, Williams is worth it. The rest of it... not so much.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | May 3, 2019 10:01 PM |
Sam and Michelle are both doing a great job. The story is better than the script as are the musical numbers.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | May 3, 2019 10:30 PM |
Are they banging off camera in real life IE why Williams announced she was suddenly divorced after 3 months of marriage lol?
by Anonymous | reply 165 | May 4, 2019 6:30 AM |
How old is Catherine supposed to be?
by Anonymous | reply 166 | May 6, 2019 12:25 AM |
Wrong thread. Sorry.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | May 6, 2019 12:26 AM |
r165 Leslie would never allow it. She has him on a tight leash, I think.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | May 6, 2019 12:58 AM |
If Rockwell was banging Michelle Williams, the whole thing would add up with her divorce, although they filmed this show a while ago.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | May 9, 2019 7:50 PM |
Sam was miscast.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | May 16, 2019 1:56 AM |
R161, All That Jazz should be on the Criterion Channel. If not, you can just buy the Criterion DVD.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | May 16, 2019 2:03 AM |
If the strippers were younger and better-looking what are you been that traumatized?
by Anonymous | reply 172 | May 16, 2019 2:51 AM |
Michelle is a joy to watch, she is even slowly adding the raspy shaky voice as Gwen ages. Sublime. Always the nominee, 4 Oscar, 4 BAFTA, a Tony nom, at least the Golden Globes showed her some love once on five nominations.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | May 16, 2019 2:51 AM |
I think the problem is less Rockwell than the script. He cannot show Fosse's humor and charm because the script has not given him much opportunity to do so. Other than make Fosse a gleeful monster, there is not much he can do with the material.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | May 16, 2019 11:42 AM |
I'm in love with Michelle Williams. I know she seems bland and weird in real life and probably a total mess of a person.
But I cant help it. I think she's so cute and captivating.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | May 17, 2019 8:01 PM |
Bob is portrayed as a sad mess, much more than in real life. There is not enough about show business itself. I wonder if any of the script writers have even been involved in a Broadway show in any capacity. Clearly they've never been dancers.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | May 17, 2019 8:03 PM |
I've never thought much about Williams until this show. I was nervous because I adored Verdon, but damnit if it's not as if Williams has summoned her spirit. She's keeping me tuned in to what is a pretty dour show. I hope we get a few good Chicago recreations at least. Williams has a rather pleasant singing voice. It's limited, like Verdon's was as well, but it's nice.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | May 17, 2019 8:05 PM |
Wow Fosse was nailing everything that walked. I wonder what the appeal was -- his genius as an artist? The character doesn't seem likable or cool or interesting or charming. And is ugly.
Meanwhile Michelle Williams is fucking fantastic. Her accent and body movement.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | May 19, 2019 6:00 AM |
Not one of Fosse's jokes has made me laugh or smile. Especially the standup cuts when he's supposed to be um .. you know ... witty and funny.
Is it Rockwell?
by Anonymous | reply 179 | May 19, 2019 6:01 AM |
I think Rockwell is making the most of a middling script.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | May 19, 2019 7:52 AM |
That whole "Fosse doing standup as Lenny" device was AWFUL. And for the love of God, WHY do they keep hammering us over the head with shots of preteen Bobby traumatized by being mauled by fat strippers? OKAY - WE GET IT!!
It appears some of the more famous supporting characters, such as Liza and Chita, are allowed one line each. Also in 1975 I believe there were hospitals in NYC that looked a lot better than that gruesome green dungeon straight out of CUCKOO'S NEST. ZERO chemistry/connection between Fosse and poor Ann Reinking, who is just called upon to widen her eyeballs and accept a grimy old tuna fish sandwich from some old guy (WTF??) And this week's obligatory Nicole sequence with Gwen dressing her up like some pimp was RIDICULOUS. This show WASTES so much time. It gets more disappointing each week.
I hope when Bob finally bites the dust in the last episode that the last thing he sees is not some vision of a fat jiggly stripper!
by Anonymous | reply 181 | May 19, 2019 3:37 PM |
You always have to have a villian.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | May 19, 2019 4:00 PM |
[quote] It gets more disappointing each week.
Just stop watching, Dear. Problem solved. But you won't.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | May 19, 2019 4:05 PM |
Since the ratings are so spectacularly bad and have been dropping every week, many people are heeding the advice to just not watch.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | May 19, 2019 4:07 PM |
[quote]And this week's obligatory Nicole sequence with Gwen dressing her up like some pimp was RIDICULOUS.
You do realize there was a time that children under 16 weren't allowed in to a hospital, might still be, don't you? When my brother was born we had to look up at my Mopther's hospital window as she held him up. Don't get your Nicole hate but children are actually involved in their parents lives and being a kid seeing their father hooked up to machines and in such bad condition would be an important part of the story.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | May 19, 2019 4:10 PM |
Will Carol Haney make an appearance?
by Anonymous | reply 186 | May 19, 2019 4:22 PM |
184 -- are the ratings really bad?
Id like to know how they compare to the Bette Davis Crawford series.
I think they all did this for some awards and Globes, which they will no doubt be nominated for.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | May 19, 2019 6:13 PM |
I love this show. Michelle Williams is brilliant. I hope she wins the Emmy.
by Anonymous | reply 188 | May 19, 2019 6:16 PM |
Fosse/Verdon has averaged a 0.11 while Feud averaged 0.34.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | May 19, 2019 6:35 PM |
Fosse/Verdon is a niche series that is aiming for prestige (in the form of critical accolades and awards), than ratings glory. They are competing with HBO and Netflix for prestige projects, so with Fosse/Verdon they are showcasing their eclectic programming to draw in more talent.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | May 19, 2019 7:32 PM |
R190, the show is lousy, the ratings are lousy and the reviews are lousy.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | May 19, 2019 8:28 PM |
The show skimps on what people are actually turning in to see, behind the scenes and famous personalities, and gives generous helpings of things that are mostly irrelevant to the audience. Paddy Chayefsky and a dull Neil Simon aren't cutting it.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | May 21, 2019 12:32 AM |
The Paddy character has ZERO NYC ACCENT .... nothing in his voice screams Bronx upbringing it's so annoying. The first scene when he appears in Episode 1 was a disgrace. The dialogue was right but my lord Paddy C spoke like was slinging herring barrels on the streets of each Borough. His accent was STRONG.
They failed miserably at that, though it's a decent physical resemblance.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | May 21, 2019 4:56 PM |
AND WHERE IS HERB GARDNER?????!!
by Anonymous | reply 194 | May 21, 2019 5:20 PM |
It's not a good show.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | May 21, 2019 5:38 PM |
Never miss hate watching it.
Not since "Smash"
by Anonymous | reply 196 | May 21, 2019 5:41 PM |
I think they're trying to make it more interesting by making Fosse out to be more of a monster than he really was. After all, what's a show without a villain? There's not enough actual conflict to make a multi-episode show about. What they're actually doing is turning it into a dour slog. Michelle Williams will walk away from this not only unscathed, but even more respected. She's carrying the entire thing on her shoulders.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | May 21, 2019 6:22 PM |
There's more dancing in a World War II movie.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | May 21, 2019 6:42 PM |
Jessica Lange is probably still watching for Michelle (one of her favorites she always says) but she must think this is a total mess.
The Lenny monologues are bad writing at its finest.
The ratings must be abysmal by now. They were bad two weeks ago.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | May 21, 2019 7:02 PM |
I read the Clive Barnes New York Time's review and wow he did go after Fosse. He loved Gwen, Chita and Jerry Orbach but said
"One might be tempted to say that never in the history of the Broadway theater has so much been done by so many for so few final results- but then one remembers "Pippin".
"Chicago" despite it's disappointments, is easily one of the best musicals of the season, it is brassy, sassy and raunchy, but mechanical. A couple of years ago Mr. Fosse created a one-minute commercial for "Pippin" that helped the other119 minutes no end. He should start work on another commercial".
Is it me or was that a typo? Does he probably mean ...helped the other119 minutes TO no end?
by Anonymous | reply 200 | May 22, 2019 10:20 AM |
If Gwen Verdon had looked like Michelle Williams, she might have had a film career.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | May 22, 2019 2:06 PM |
Now we need a mini-series with Jessica Lange and Michelle Williams together.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | May 22, 2019 5:25 PM |
Well, at least Rockwell got to do a little dancing last night. He was very good.
AND I think Fosse was right about NOWADAYS being a Velma/Roxie duet.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | May 22, 2019 5:43 PM |
"The Paddy character has ZERO NYC ACCENT .... nothing in his voice screams Bronx upbringing it's so annoying. The first scene when he appears in Episode 1 was a disgrace. The dialogue was right but my lord Paddy C spoke like was slinging herring barrels on the streets of each Borough. His accent was STRONG. They failed miserably at that, though it's a decent physical resemblance."
That "miserable failure" was a choice:
"I’m from the Midwest, and Paddy Chayefsky was born and raised in the Bronx. As someone said on set, he was a professional Jew, you know? He was the real deal. So if I were to have really gone and really done his voice, I don’t think people would’ve understood half of what I was saying. It was very Bernie Sanders. On a small screen, that can tip into caricature-land, so it was just sort of trying to find the basic cadence and work with that."
But knowing this won't stop you from coming up with some other ridiculous complaint.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | May 22, 2019 5:56 PM |
Norbert Leo Butz looks very attractive on this show. I've never thought much about him, but the beard and hairstyle really suits him.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | May 22, 2019 6:03 PM |
Unlike R200, I doubt the bitchy Barnes would misuse an apostrophe.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | May 22, 2019 6:06 PM |
To end the gossip once and for all: I slept with Bob Fosse
by Anonymous | reply 207 | May 22, 2019 7:26 PM |
[quote]Unlike [R200], I doubt the bitchy Barnes would misuse an apostrophe.
What are you babbling about an apostrophe? The sentence is....
" a one-minute commercial for "Pippin" that helped the other 119 minutes no end."
I want to know if that is grammatically correct or a typo, either Barnes or the typesetter's and should read
a one-minute commercial for "Pippin" that helped the other119 minutes to no end.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | May 22, 2019 9:09 PM |
Wow, R200/R208, you're not only an idiot, you're screeching harpy of an idiot.
Look again. See where you fucked up.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | May 22, 2019 9:11 PM |
Now they have massive flooding and houses falling into the rivers!
by Anonymous | reply 210 | May 23, 2019 2:33 AM |
[quote] Also in 1975 I believe there were hospitals in NYC that looked a lot better than that gruesome green dungeon straight out of CUCKOO'S NEST.
There really weren't. That was pretty much par for the course.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | May 23, 2019 2:55 AM |
"Nowadays" works better as a duet because if Roxie were left with absolutely nothing at the end of the story, the musical would be too depressing. She can't go back to Amos, and she is too much a nine-days' wonder to make any more money out of her story; but at least she has a friend by the end with whom she can work.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | May 23, 2019 2:59 AM |
People in Hollywood are stupid. Paddy's accent was perfectly understandable. I understood him when he accepted his oscars, and when he flamed Redgrave about her political zionist stuff at the awards years later.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | May 23, 2019 3:04 AM |
It would be terrific if Michelle could play 'Roxie' in CHICAGO right now in New York. I think she'd be able to handle Roxie's dance movements, if adapted, but unfortunately 'The Hot Honey Rag' would be almost impossible for her, it's such a difficult dance.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | May 23, 2019 3:08 AM |
Honey, if Christie fucking Brinkley can play Roxie Hart, anyone can. I didn't say she played her well, but the producers of Chicago would be lucky to get someone like Michelle Williams at this point.
Although, I'll be honest - as much as I'm loving Michelle as Gwen, I didn't care for her as Sally Bowles in Cabaret a few years ago. Emma Stone came in after her and was surprisingly brilliant, but Michelle was too waif like for the role. She wasn't bawdy or wild enough. She seemed like someone super boring desperately trying to make other people believe that she's wild and adventurous without ever actually seeming wild or adventurous.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | May 23, 2019 3:12 AM |
R208, I'll help you. Barne's phrase means the exact opposite of yours.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | May 23, 2019 6:53 AM |
Sorry, meant to type Barnes' of course.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | May 23, 2019 6:54 AM |
[quote]Honey, if Christie fucking Brinkley can play Roxie Hart, anyone can. I didn't say she played her well, but the producers of Chicago would be lucky to get someone like Michelle Williams at this point.
Well, someone likes her, she's done London, Vegas and now Broadway twice.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | May 23, 2019 11:12 AM |
I don't care for Williams singing voice.
by Anonymous | reply 220 | May 23, 2019 12:04 PM |
At first I thought her accent was cartoonish doing Verdon, but Im ok now. I care for everything about Michelle Williams. I've got a big time crush on her.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | May 23, 2019 5:52 PM |
Williams has an insane, out of control vibrato that's all hers. You can hear it in the clips of her performance in Cabaret. If she could get that under control, she might have a lovely voice. It makes her always sound like she's nervous...which she probably is.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | May 23, 2019 5:59 PM |
Jesus, they're really painting Fosse out to be a malicious little cunt in this. No nuance whatsoever.
In the same episode where one of the chorus members tells him "all the dancers love you. You're so kind and you never scream at us, etc.", they make it out like he intentionally called the New York Times to come and review the show again with Liza just to piss off Gwen. Hell, I'm half expecting them to show a flashback where he shoves the confetti into Gwen's throat himself.
It all seems a little over the top to me, especially Gwen not being able to realize that Fosse's idea for the ending was way better than just having Roxie stand on the stage, sing "Nowadays", and bring down the curtain. What kind of ending would that have been?
by Anonymous | reply 223 | May 23, 2019 6:05 PM |
You're still not getting it, R200. High school dropout?
"despite it's disappointments"
"despite it's disappointments"
"despite it's disappointments"
by Anonymous | reply 224 | May 23, 2019 6:07 PM |
We don't get to see enough of Nicole's pouting.
by Anonymous | reply 225 | May 23, 2019 8:08 PM |
Reply 215 - Please don't call me 'Honey'. I'm Gwen. Simply Gwen.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | May 24, 2019 1:13 AM |
I don't mean to be a busy bee but .... who is Michelle dating now after her unceremonious ending of her recent marriage?
by Anonymous | reply 227 | May 24, 2019 6:03 PM |
Just watched this clip of Verdon and Rivera from the Mike Douglas show, and she really was pretty long in the tooth for that part.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | May 25, 2019 5:12 AM |
Fosse/Verdon is over. I enjoyed working on it. But it wasn't good, either as biography or drama (or musical).
by Anonymous | reply 230 | May 31, 2019 10:51 PM |
Never mind that, tell us if Rockwell is the reason Michelle announced the abrupt end of her 3 month old marriage.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | June 1, 2019 2:38 AM |
I don't know. I was never on the set with him, only with her (two different episodes).
by Anonymous | reply 232 | June 1, 2019 2:47 AM |
Is it true she got the hair department head fired in pre-production because she hated her wigs? And why was the costume designer William Ivey Long replaced in pre-production?
by Anonymous | reply 233 | June 1, 2019 2:50 AM |
Sam Rockwell can do whatever the fuck he wants. He’s A list and it’s about time!
by Anonymous | reply 234 | June 1, 2019 3:29 AM |
Yes, Sam Rockwell certainly can do whatever he wants- like playing Fossee with an ounce of charm or charisma,
by Anonymous | reply 235 | June 1, 2019 1:06 PM |
Damn! WITHOUT an ounce of charm or charisma.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | June 1, 2019 1:18 PM |
Rockwell sucks ass as an actor. All hokey and over the top instincts. Sadly, his career is where Ed Norton's should be. Who is about 100 million times the talent.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | June 1, 2019 5:01 PM |
Whether one did or did not admire the Rockwell and Williams performances or did or did not like the script, there are two things that have to be said: 1) It was an 8 episode limited series that needed only 4 episodes to cover those particular two lives. Would have had much more impact if it were all covered in fewer hours and would have found the right tempo - rhythms for storytelling. 2) It is not surprising that "outsiders" often consider theater a world of troubled, neurotic, psychotic, morally-bankrupt people when they have an entire series inflicted upon them that seems to say that IS what theater is all about !! As a retired pro that has worked in theater in two countries, I started resenting the series by the the third episode. I did, however, stick with it and here's a third thing that has to be said : Michelle Williams was brilliant and deserves a Best Actress Emmy.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | June 1, 2019 6:37 PM |
She does deserve an Emmy. The rest was utter crap.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | June 1, 2019 7:50 PM |
You said it, r239. A real embarrassment. And the fact that it was put together by "theater people" simply beggars belief.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | June 1, 2019 8:24 PM |
R238 And yet as a non-theater person, it all still looks very glamorous to me. I enjoyed the show, as flawed as it may have been.
by Anonymous | reply 241 | June 2, 2019 5:01 PM |
Im finishing it up tonight. As a non theater goer who knew of fosse but not verdon I enjoyed episodes 1-6 alot but episodes 7&8 are pretty badly done. Not sure if its the writing..?
by Anonymous | reply 242 | June 3, 2019 3:56 PM |
This just appeared on Hulu. Should I watch it?
by Anonymous | reply 243 | August 15, 2019 8:39 PM |