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Honest Question About The Trans Community

Most of the trans community are straight right? Smaller percentage transition and have gay/lesbian relationships right?

This had me wondering why trans women, who are straight, did not decided to approach women's groups for help in advocating for their rights as opposed to gay organizations? I have to imagine that if trans women aligned their struggles with women's rights that they would have as much or more advocates helping them than just from the gay community who have little to nothing in common with their rights.

So why have straight trans women not joined women's right groups? Or have they but we just do not hear about it?

I'm not mentioning trans men because from my knowledge they do not seem to be as vocal as the trans women. It seems they keep their concerns and struggles out of the spotlight unless bathroom use is being discussed.

by Anonymousreply 278July 16, 2018 3:21 PM

Good question, OP. If a transwoman truly is a woman, and wants to have sex with men, why is she bothering us? Go hang out with the straight women where you belong.

by Anonymousreply 1June 18, 2018 3:53 PM

Lesbians are female homosexuals.

by Anonymousreply 2June 18, 2018 3:56 PM

Men pretending they are women ("transwomen") have completely bullied all the main women's groups. And they have bullied all organizations dealing with education and health. The UK Cancer organizations tweeted "A tweet from the campaign reads: "Cervical screening (or the smear test) is relevant for everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix. Watch our animation to find out what to expect when you go for screening." Women are not allowed to say "pregnant women" or "a woman does not have a penis." Education, health and government is enforcing this now.

The men pretending to be women are more powerless, being women. They repeat the rhetoric of men pretending they are women, but that is about it. They try to get in men's dating apps, but they are no threat to men in bathrooms, and will not take a man's place on a sports team, etc. Though of course men should have their own spaces for bars/ dating etc.

The whole trans ideology is 100% anti-women and anti-homosexual.

by Anonymousreply 3June 18, 2018 4:06 PM

Most of the MtFs are attracted to women. The "straight" ones, i.e. homosexual men, are the minority.

by Anonymousreply 4June 18, 2018 4:06 PM

You wouldn't know that from the primary faces of the movement like Laverne Cox and Janet Mock among others r4.

by Anonymousreply 5June 18, 2018 4:10 PM

Cause they are a lot more palatable and non-threatening than the big, burly trucker types, R5. So they are who the media promotes in order to sell the concept to the public.

Also, even MtFs have to live up to certain standards of feminity to be on tv, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 6June 18, 2018 4:14 PM

Good question, OP.

I think it’s because they want access to lesbians...like they are the Golden Idol to straight men.

T is a Trojan Horse for straight men to access to women & children. That’s why they’re top priority was closing down MichFest & opening up bathrooms. They don’t give a shit about women’s rights.

Per r6, they can’t just openly announce their agenda. That’s not how Trojan Horses work.

by Anonymousreply 7June 18, 2018 4:22 PM

All right r6, if the majority of these MtF trans are calling themselves lesbians then they are right to be part of the LGB community. If they are gay, they belong with us.

by Anonymousreply 8June 18, 2018 4:24 PM

Please don't belong!

by Anonymousreply 9June 18, 2018 4:30 PM

[quote]f the majority of these MtF trans are calling themselves lesbians then they are right to be part of the LGB community.

Fuck that shit.

Don’t dump mentally ill straight men with lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 10June 18, 2018 4:33 PM

The primary face of trans right now is kids (who are neither transgender, transsexual, or cross dressers). The whole thing is so Orwellian.

And yes, they definitely do not want the straight men with a fetish in the media (the ones who are driving this the most).

by Anonymousreply 11June 18, 2018 4:33 PM

"Most of the trans community are straight right?"

Actually, most are not straight.

by Anonymousreply 12June 18, 2018 4:34 PM

Okay so we have the Trojan Horse MtF's who aren't really trans but just want access to women but they are not promoted as being the majority in the trans population. Their existence is kept fairly quiet.

Then there are the MtF like Laverne Cox, Janet Mock and others who consider themselves straight women. These trans women are the face of the trans movement, right? And this benefits the Trojan trans who are hiding behind them from the view of the public. Right?

So who is it that has so much power first of all to keep pushing this movement in detriment to gay and women's rights and second of all to hide the real majority of the MtF trans movement who are men hiding in women's clothes in order to exploit women and children. Who are these people or group(s) making it easier, promoting, for this exploitation to happen?

by Anonymousreply 13June 18, 2018 4:35 PM

Good question, OP, and good answer, r3.

I’d theorize that they’ve glommed onto a more “oppressed” minority group than women. Being a woman isn’t enough of a hindrance. Women already have achieved “enough” rights and they’re not getting any more. Women

I’m having trouble articulating this, but bear with me. They don’t want to be just regular women, just working a job and trying to make their way in the world. They want to be even MORE special and downtrodden.

by Anonymousreply 14June 18, 2018 4:36 PM

I don't know if the people going along with this are all STUPID and cannot tell the difference between gay/transsexual/cross-dresser fetish/intersex or what. I think this is a big part of it.

The big story is who is knowingly pushing this, knowing the lies, knowing it is horrific for kids, anti-women, and anti-gay. That is the big story.

by Anonymousreply 15June 18, 2018 4:39 PM

[quote] They want to be even MORE special and downtrodden.

Yes, it is all about performance, exhibition, and narcissism. And there is a huge anti-women force to it as well. It is all of these things.

by Anonymousreply 16June 18, 2018 4:40 PM

Link r12?

And how many TIMs keep their penises?

And how many get erections from wearing dresses, voyeurism & exhibitionism?

by Anonymousreply 17June 18, 2018 4:42 PM

"They don’t want to be just regular women, just working a job and trying to make their way in the world. They want to be even MORE special and downtrodden."

"Yes, it is all about performance, exhibition, and narcissism. And there is a huge anti-women force to it as well. It is all of these things."

Exactly, both of these! I would also add that deep misogyny plays a huge part as well, they get off on intimidating and hurting real women.

by Anonymousreply 18June 18, 2018 4:43 PM

That's the question I have arrived at from where I started r15.

by Anonymousreply 19June 18, 2018 4:47 PM

Btw thank you to everyone for allowing me to ask these questions and answering without attacking anyone.

-OP

by Anonymousreply 20June 18, 2018 4:50 PM

R15, the Trojan Horse doesn’t have a return mailing address....

It’s probably a combination of billionaire autogyns like Jennifer Pritzker, or homophobic leftists like Soros, or pedos like N A M B L A once again looking to hitch their wagon to Gay Rights (looks like they succeeded this time)....and of course Big Pharma & quack physicians.

But who is behind the Sissy Hypnosis Porn....? Personally, I think it’s Putin. He’s got propaganda & brainwashing down to a science.

Think about it: if Putin can convince westerners that men are women, then he can convince of us of anything.

And once we swallow one big ridiculous lie, then we will swallow more big ridiculous lies.

And once truth becomes false, chaos ensues. Which we all know is ecactly what Putin wants.

by Anonymousreply 21June 18, 2018 4:51 PM

OP = troll still trying to divide and conquer “the Left.”

Why didn’t Donald Trump’s supporters ask The Donald for support converting the halls of Mar-a-Lago into golden fillings for their missing teeth?

What does the modern, Republican Party get done or stand for besides tax cuts, mostly for the rich who don’t need them?

They just keep peddling the myth that money grows on trees and persecuting immigrants and deadlocking trade wars will bring American jobs back.

Honestly, what is the GOP good for if you’re not filthy rich or a Russian dictator offering bribes?

by Anonymousreply 22June 18, 2018 4:54 PM

They aren’t interested in the things real women want, OP. They don’t advocate for equal pay, for family leave, for better contraception care under health insurance coverage.

The only thing I’ve seen trans fight for is access to women-only spaces.

by Anonymousreply 23June 18, 2018 4:55 PM

[quote] Btw thank you to everyone for allowing me to ask these questions and answering without attacking anyone.

Oh, some people were indeed attacked.

[quote] they get off on intimidating and hurting real women.

[quote] The big story is who is knowingly pushing this, knowing the lies, knowing it is horrific for kids, anti-women, and anti-gay. That is the big story.

[quote] Don’t dump mentally ill straight men with lesbians.

[quote] The whole trans ideology is 100% anti-women and anti-homosexual.

by Anonymousreply 24June 18, 2018 4:55 PM

And interesting to see that OP isn’t lumping FTM in with MtF. Same disease, different presentation.

I’ll never stop asking “where are the FTM?” because I think it demonstrates that MtF are MEN.

by Anonymousreply 25June 18, 2018 4:58 PM

Most of these confused (likely gay) children will be SHAMED by their parents into taking the hormones and being physically destroyed for life, like Jazz. And the psychological damage that will be done to them, I can't even imagine. I don't understand how this is even legal.

Also, R21, PUTIN is behind this? Please don't ruin this thread with outlandish theories, that's just not even a possibility.

by Anonymousreply 26June 18, 2018 4:59 PM

True fact: straight women don't need to be protected or saved from trans women. That is straight up fear mongering and infantilizing women.

Very interesting people never complain about FtM, always MtF. And the issues are straight out of breitbart.

by Anonymousreply 27June 18, 2018 5:01 PM

[quote] Please don't ruin this thread with outlandish theories

Yeah, made-up bullshit propaganda against trans-persons doesn't need that crap.

by Anonymousreply 28June 18, 2018 5:01 PM

Trannies are ALL insane. So Repressed about being homosexual that they chop up their genitalia.

by Anonymousreply 29June 18, 2018 5:06 PM

Faggots are ALL insane. So perverted they fuck where people shit.

by Anonymousreply 30June 18, 2018 5:08 PM

Getting sidetracked, but the answer is simple.

MtF don’t care about women’s issues because they are not women.

by Anonymousreply 31June 18, 2018 5:11 PM

Okay r27

Please present some examples of the FtM community demanding access to male spaces. When have they been vocal about being excluded from men's sports? Are they even competing in men's sports? If so why is this not covered in the media?

The FtM seem to be fairly quiet in the media. If this is not so then provide some links. Don't just come in here screaming without proving your point. There are examples enough of the damage MtF's are doing to women's issues. Biological women are being silenced. I see no such examples that bio men or their issues are being hurt by trans men.

by Anonymousreply 32June 18, 2018 5:12 PM

R30 should die.

by Anonymousreply 33June 18, 2018 5:13 PM

Why, r33? People said that for decades AND IT IS EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to what r29 said.

The anti-trans playbook is straight from the anti-gay playbook.

(And if you think I actually think what I posted in r30, you are a moron.)

by Anonymousreply 34June 18, 2018 5:17 PM

r30 instead of attacking why not try to make a point and then back it up with some facts okay?

I can only guess that you attacked because a lot of what is being talked about here rings true to you ears, you are trans and you are being defensive.

Being gay and supportive of my rights and women's rights I want to know why our gay rights groups have been allowed to be taken over by trans rights. I also want to know who is funding and promoting for the repression of biological women's rights. I'm not saying trans deserve no rights or protections, I'm just saying I'm not supporting your rights OVER that of gays and women. Your community wants to partner up for protection? Then start promoting the rights of gays and women. PERIOD!

by Anonymousreply 35June 18, 2018 5:19 PM

R34 you are comparing apples to oranges. Never did gays try to invade women's personal spaces. Gays fought for basic civil and human rights. Not to piss in the ladies room, or compete on girls' sports teams, or invade women's organizations. WITHOUT ANY FUCKING REGARD FOR ACTUAL BIOLOGICAL WOMEN.

by Anonymousreply 36June 18, 2018 5:21 PM

Hey r26 he successfully got a puppet in the WH rather than Hillary.

The puppet got the RNC to change their platform to Putin’s liking.

Putin can’t use the $85B he plundered from his country with sanctions in place.

Hillary supports the sanctions. Trump does not.

Who else could be behind the sissy hypnosis porn then...???

by Anonymousreply 37June 18, 2018 5:26 PM

R27, “transmen” haven’t murdered men like Donna Perry or Dana Rivers have murdered women.

Also, “transmen” aren’t dominating men’s sports & prizes.

Bio women pose no threat to bio men.

However, on any given day in the usa, about three females are murdered by bio males.

by Anonymousreply 38June 18, 2018 5:29 PM

Because trans women want to put on a dress and be considered a woman without acknowledging any of the struggles cis women actually experience.

Women fought for thousands of years to be accepted as human beings with rights and control of their own body, and it's still an ongoing legal battle in 2018, and a major focus with most women's rights groups.

Then someone with a penis waltzes in and claims that protecting women's reproductive rights is "transphobic" because not every woman has a uterus, and make it all about them. They want to win the victimhood Olympics, like not being able to afford bottom surgery is remotely comparable to cis women dying in childbirth every day.

by Anonymousreply 39June 18, 2018 5:33 PM

*applauds r39*

Yes, even if they’re not scheming to get into locker rooms and showers with women, their motives are not benign. Derailing the important work of gay rights and women’s rights groups is bad.

It’s like barging into an OR where a surgeon is performing a triple bypass and demanding a bandaid for a paper cut.

by Anonymousreply 40June 18, 2018 5:37 PM

[quote] instead of attacking why not try to make a point and then back it up with some facts okay?

Oh, the irony!

by Anonymousreply 41June 18, 2018 5:44 PM

OP, the first three sentences of your post are dripping with ignorance. I stopped reading when you claimed (aka “pulled from your ass”) that transwomen didn’t “approach” feminist orgs for support. They did and those orgs support them. NOW in particular.

So off with you, ignorance-spreader.

by Anonymousreply 42June 18, 2018 5:46 PM

Thanks for clarifying what the Op got wrong 42.

by Anonymousreply 43June 18, 2018 6:01 PM

OP, you inspired me to start a thread:

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by Anonymousreply 44June 18, 2018 6:03 PM

The question still remains who is knowingly pushing this, knowing the lies, knowing it is horrific for kids, anti-women, and anti-gay. That is the big story.

by Anonymousreply 45June 18, 2018 6:03 PM

Stephen Miller, R45. Donald Trump. The GOP. We know who is pushing it, just like the trolls here know whom to turn to for their talking points.

We know who is pushing it. The big question actually is: what can we all do to stop it?

by Anonymousreply 46June 18, 2018 6:07 PM

But this started when Obama was President at least a couple of years before his second term ended. The trans fever geared up and gained a fast momentum during Obama's second term. I hate Trump but you can't blame the force and power that propelled the trans movement up and over gay and women's rights on him.

Try again, I'm still waiting to hear. . .

by Anonymousreply 47June 18, 2018 6:12 PM

R46, what we can do is call them out on it, but nobody wants to be first. And nobody wants to be called a homophobe or intolerant. I’ll admit that I won’t say an anti-trans word in front of my children. Among adults in my affluent Democrat bubble, there’s a bit of eye-rolling and neutral tone; not outright condemnation, but nowhere near the enthusiastic support. There’s a “trans” child at my niece’s elite private Manhattan school and everyone is too polite to come out and say what they think. Just raised eyebrows and knowing looks. It’s very interesting.

One area where I’ve seen indignance is sports. Maybe it’s because men care about sports, even though they’re women’s sports.

by Anonymousreply 48June 18, 2018 6:14 PM

R47, I concede that point. Trump didn’t start this. And now that we’ve touched on it, has he ever commented on trans anything? (Serious question)

by Anonymousreply 49June 18, 2018 6:16 PM

An environmental activist who was burned for questioning the sudden rise of Transgender issues to the detriment of women did some sleuthing and found some of the funding for the trans movement. Don't know why the author has to stick "white" in there, except the accusation of being "white" seems to be the bogeyman du jour to further divide and conquer us.

[quote] Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology? Exceedingly rich, white men (and women) who invest in biomedical companies are funding myriad transgender organizations whose agenda will make them gobs of money. I found exceedingly rich, white men with enormous cultural influence are funding the transgender lobby and various transgender organizations. These include but are not limited to Jennifer Pritzker (a male who identifies as transgender); George Soros; Martine Rothblatt (a male who identifies as transgender and transhumanist)...Most of these billionaires fund the transgender lobby and organizations through their own organizations, including corporations.,,hese funders often go through anonymous funding organizations such as Tides Foundation, founded and operated by Pike. Large corporations, philanthropists, and organizations can send enormous sums of money to the Tides Foundation, specify the direction the funds are to go, and have the funds get to their destination anonymously. Tides Foundation creates a legal firewall and tax shelter for foundations and funds political campaigns, often using legally dubious tactics.

These men and others, including pharmaceutical companies and the U.S. government, are sending millions of dollars to LGBT causes. Overall reported global spending on LGBT is now estimated at $424 million. From 2003-2013, reported funding for transgender issues increased more than eightfold, growing at threefold the increase of LGBTQ funding overall, which quadrupled from 2003 to 2012. This huge spike in funding happened at the same time transgenderism began gaining traction in American culture.

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by Anonymousreply 50June 18, 2018 6:22 PM

More from the article at R50

[quote] Transgenderism: A New Medical and Lifestyle Market It seems obvious now to look at the money behind transgenderism. Many new markets have opened because of it. The first gender clinic for children opened in Boston in 2007. In the past ten years, more than 30 clinics for children with purported gender dysphoria have arisen in the United States alone, the largest serving 725 patients.

Over the past decade, there has been an explosion in transgender medical infrastructure across the United States and world to “treat” transgender people. In addition to gender clinics proliferating across the United States, hospital wings are being built for specialized surgeries, and many medical institutions are clamoring to get on board with the new developments.

Doctors are being trained in cadaver symposiums across the world in all manner of surgeries related to transgender individuals, including phalloplasty, vaginoplasty, facial feminization surgery, urethral procedures, and more. More and more American corporations are covering transgender surgeries, drugs, and other expenses. Endocrinologists seeking the fountain of youth in hormones for more than a generation, and the subsequent earnings for marketing those hormones, are still on a quest for gold.

Puberty blockers are another growing market. The plastic surgery arm of medicine is staged for an infusion of cash as well as organ transplants, especially womb transplants for men identifying as women who may want future pregnancies. These surgeries are already being practiced on animals and the first successful womb implant from a deceased female donor to another female has already been a success. Biogenetics is poised to be the investment of the future, says Rothblatt, who has headed a massive pharmaceutical corporation and is now heavily invested in biogenetics and transplants.

by Anonymousreply 51June 18, 2018 6:23 PM

Thank you for that article R51! Many of us have been saying this for a long time:

"The LGB, a once-tiny group of people trying to love those of the same sex openly and be treated equally within society, has likely already been subsumed by capitalism and is now infiltrated by the medical industrial complex via transgenderism."

by Anonymousreply 52June 18, 2018 6:49 PM

Wow!

Thank you r50. Incredible. Put a price tag on every fucking thing and turn people into experiments all for cash.

by Anonymousreply 53June 18, 2018 6:55 PM

Also from the article

[quote]I have watched as all-women’s safe spaces, universities, and sports opened their doors to any man who chose to identify as a woman. Whereas men who identify as transwomen are at the forefront of this project, women who identify as transmen seem silent and invisible. I was astonished that such a huge cultural change as the opening of sex-protected spaces was happening at such a meteoric pace and without consideration for women and girls’ safety, deliberation, or public debate. Concurrent with these rapid changes, I witnessed an overhaul in the English language with new pronouns and a near-tyrannical assault on those who did not use them. Laws mandating new speech were passed. Laws overriding biological sex with the amorphous concept of gender identity are being instituted now. People who speak openly about these changes can find themselves, their families, and their livelihoods threatened.

by Anonymousreply 54June 18, 2018 6:57 PM

[quote]Transgenderism is framed as both a medical problem, for the gender dysphoria of children who need puberty blockers and are being groomed for a lifetime of medicalization, and as a brave and original lifestyle choice for adults. Martine Rothblatt suggests we are all transhuman, that changing our bodies by removing healthy tissue and organs and ingesting cross-sex hormones over the course of a lifetime can be likened to wearing make-up, dying our hair, or getting a tattoo. If we are all transhuman, expressing that could be a never-ending saga of body-related consumerism.

by Anonymousreply 55June 18, 2018 7:10 PM

" Put a price tag on every fucking thing and turn people into experiments all for cash."

Yep. If you do a little more research as to the "medical professionals" who are encouraging and promoting trans, you will notice something very similar in a large proportion of the last names involved. Looks like the jews are the modern-day Nazis.

by Anonymousreply 56June 18, 2018 7:12 PM

The Federalist....blaming Soros...

Sure.

by Anonymousreply 57June 18, 2018 7:15 PM

The Federalist is straight up right wing magazine of prejudice and hate.

Again, if cis women were concerned about MtF transgender then they would be upset. They are not complaining and not upset.

Right wing nut cases and evangelicals are yelling about the evils of MtF using women's bathrooms.

But please, continue to link to right wing rags wanting to take away people's civil rights to buttress your bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 58June 18, 2018 7:23 PM

Well 58 read the article. You won't explode. Someone is funding this trans movement, someone with power is promoting it. So read the article all the way through and come back and let us know what you think.

I read it and it's not full of anything but information. It says nothing about who is using what bathroom. It says nothing about taking away civil rights.

I does list the billionaire donors to the movement, the schools and politicians they support and what has been done with the money to support the trans movement.

Have a little courage and read the damn article.

by Anonymousreply 59June 18, 2018 7:30 PM

From your article

[quote] Separating transgender issues from LGBT infrastructure is not an easy task. All the wealthiest donors have been funding LGB institutions before they became LGBT-oriented, and only in some instances are monies earmarked specifically for transgender issues. Some of these billionaires fund the LGBT through their myriad companies, multiplying their contributions many times over in ways that are also difficult to track.

So anyone who helps fund any gay-related organizations was considered as funding the "Trans Agenda."

by Anonymousreply 60June 18, 2018 7:34 PM

R58, I’m a REAL woman and I am upset that a few mentally ill men have co-opted and appropriated my gender. I am upset that they equate womanhood with stiletto heels and silicone breasts and lipstick. I am upset that they are driving an agenda that harms children in ways we don’t even fully grasp yet.

Women are socialized to be accepting and they have taken advantage of that to climb into the nest of sisterhood and waggle their penises and push out any who object.

by Anonymousreply 61June 18, 2018 7:37 PM

"Right wing" publications are some of the only media offering women a voice, Trans Hag at R58. Liberal media, including all of the gay media, has no-platformed any woman who protests against female erasure.

Women from across the political spectrum are uniting against this erasure of women. An organization called Hands Across the Aisle Women is composed of women from Christian conservatives to radical feminists trying to fight back.

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by Anonymousreply 62June 18, 2018 7:55 PM

Exactly R62, it will be interesting to see, when more and more women begin to understand the reality of what is happening, how it will effect the way they vote in the future.

by Anonymousreply 63June 18, 2018 8:17 PM

R22 = very stupid

by Anonymousreply 64June 18, 2018 8:21 PM

Drop the T.

by Anonymousreply 65June 18, 2018 8:21 PM

R58 your fetish grosses people out and biological females (women) don’t want to be around it when they’re half naked and rightly expecting privacy in the form of sex segregated accommodations. If your friends and family want to play make believe/dress up, that’s their prerogative. You don’t pass, and if women aren’t getting in your face about it, it’s becuase they’ve been trained to keep obviously mentally ill men at a distance, and to quietly accommodate them in the name of personal safely. So, in short, don’t make the mistake of thinking no women is stepping to you becuase they’re recognizing your ‘human right’. No, they’re treating you just like every other potentially violent man they’ve ever met.

by Anonymousreply 66June 18, 2018 8:22 PM

[quote]The anti-trans playbook is straight from the anti-gay playbook.

There is no "anti-trans playbook" only reality, such as women do not have a penis and men should not be on women's sport teams.

The trans ideology, is 100% anti-gay, and anti-women which is in line with every extreme fundamentalist sect especially Islam, as in Iran right now where homosexuals are jailed or get the death penalty and must become trans, and women have no rights.

by Anonymousreply 67June 18, 2018 8:28 PM

[quote]Stephen Miller, [R45]. Donald Trump. The GOP. We know who is pushing it, just like the trolls here know whom to turn to for their talking points.

This is utter bullshit. You can hate those people all you want but this is coming from a corrupt "left" which has turned away from women's rights and gay rights. And children's rights.

by Anonymousreply 68June 18, 2018 8:30 PM

Here is more on funding for the Transgender movement from an LGBT organization (the actual funding breakdown PDF from the LGBT group is in the link), so the Trans Hag who infests all these threads with his Breitbart accusations can go fuck himself . Because it's clear that the only person who'll fuck the Trans Hag is he himself.

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by Anonymousreply 69June 18, 2018 8:31 PM

[quote]Again, if cis women were concerned about MtF transgender then they would be upset. They are not complaining and not upset.

1. There is no such thing as a "cis woman"

2. Women are not allowed to voice their opinions anymore. Their organizations have been infiltrated and policed by men who are women-haters and will not let them speak.

3. The ignorant/complicit media is not talking about what is going on.

by Anonymousreply 70June 18, 2018 8:36 PM

A lot of the groups at R69 started as women's or gay groups, now they have been taken over by people to fund anti-women and anti-gay trans politics.

by Anonymousreply 71June 18, 2018 8:38 PM

There is government funding for it internationally as well

by Anonymousreply 72June 18, 2018 8:38 PM

Go to 17:08 , Woman says "Trans women are not women."

Hooray! Who would have imagine that we would be bullied and threatened over stating basic biological facts?

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by Anonymousreply 73June 18, 2018 8:43 PM

Soros (Open Society Foundations) is actually funding it in Europe, too..

Transgender Europe is very pleased to announce the granting of significant funding from the Dutch Government and the Open Society Foundations. The aim of this initial funding is to facilitate and support the growth of the organisation to ensure that TGEU is in a position to apply for future core funding from the European Union.

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by Anonymousreply 74June 18, 2018 8:55 PM

Again, the Federalist is a right wing rag catering to right wing nut jobs. The only people yelling about bathrooms are fundie Christians. They are the people actively trying to pass laws banning MtF from using restrooms.

They cite, as many here do, the need to protect women.

This infantilism of women (the ladies need our white knighting) is of course, the message of pence, and other evangelical nuts.

by Anonymousreply 75June 18, 2018 9:02 PM

See, OP? The trans madness has already ensnared you. What you've observed is that none of it makes sense. Release with love and let them duke it out!

by Anonymousreply 76June 18, 2018 9:04 PM

Explain “TERF”, r42

by Anonymousreply 77June 18, 2018 9:06 PM

R75, you are a liar.

There are many, many left and liberal women who are questioning this. The book Gender Hurts by Shelia Jeffreys is an excellent example. Hundreds of women in the Labour Party are disgusted with the trans sexism and have voiced this recently

TRANS is more right wing than the right wing - it seeks to wipe out homosexuality and destroy women's rights.

by Anonymousreply 78June 18, 2018 9:07 PM

I'm not R42, but a "TERF", according to trans freaks, is a biological woman who refuses to abandon her own self-interests and safety in order to accommodate, promote, and bow down to "trans women".

by Anonymousreply 79June 18, 2018 9:08 PM

Fuck any of you trying to blame this trans-fuckery on Trump, the GOP, the right wing, Breitbart...NO!, the left is SOLELY responsible for the trans mess and is the main reason why I have moved further to the right in recent years.

by Anonymousreply 80June 18, 2018 9:10 PM

A "TERF" is someone who doesn't think it is a good idea for a man to "perform femininity" in a rape counselling center or battered women's shelter.

by Anonymousreply 81June 18, 2018 9:11 PM

R80, The only one doing that is T, it is part of their standard lies.

by Anonymousreply 82June 18, 2018 9:13 PM

TERF = trans exclusive radical FEMINIST

Ts hate FEMINISM

by Anonymousreply 83June 18, 2018 9:15 PM

No, the left now call the Gay Community “queers”....

And the left now call Gay Pride just “Pride”...

The Indigo Girls supported boycotting MichFest for not recognizing transwomen as women.

by Anonymousreply 84June 18, 2018 9:17 PM

Actually, in the UK, it's the Right and the Left allied to erase women. Teresa May is the Tory (conservative) Prime Minister. The Gender Recognition Act, which would help erase protections for biological women, was also sponsored by a conservative.

On the Left, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is trying his hardest to erase women.

[quote] Theresa May plans to let people change gender without medical checks Speaking at Pink News awards dinner, prime minister reiterates her commitment to improving trans rights..Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, has said May would have his support if she scrapped the requirement for trans people to undergo medical tests, and instead allowed them to self-identify their gender, saying legislation could be passed with Labour’s help.

In July, Corbyn said: “Discrimination has gone on too long. The Gender Recognition Act does not allow trans people to self-identify their gender and forces them to undergo invasive medical tests. This is wrong.

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by Anonymousreply 85June 18, 2018 9:19 PM

yes, of course, the Ann coulters of feminism are all up in a dither. None of whom have real scientific evidence on their side for the denial of human rights.

Trans of course do not hate feminism.

It is very telling of course that the anti trans people are in line with evangelicals and right wing fundies.

Denial of civil rights is denial of civil rights. Bigots are bigots.

by Anonymousreply 86June 18, 2018 9:19 PM

R85, The Conservatives will pass that, but it was from the Labour/Left that all the T propaganda came from. They infiltrated the Left first - that seems to be the easiest way for women haters and gay haters to gain political power.

by Anonymousreply 87June 18, 2018 9:22 PM

Flapping your penis around in front of women in a woman's restroom, locker room, shelter, etc. is NOT a civil right! You fucking freaks!

by Anonymousreply 88June 18, 2018 9:22 PM

Just ignore the Trans Hags, for example R58 and R86; anyone who can type, without irony, about Trans and scientific evidence is not worth arguing with.

by Anonymousreply 89June 18, 2018 9:23 PM

R88, you are not outraged about FtM, only MtF. I again suggest the driving impulse of your argument, and many other posters, is the perceived infantilism of women.

This is right wing fundie religious ideology.

Bigotry is bigotry. Denial of civil rights is denial of civil rights.

by Anonymousreply 90June 18, 2018 9:30 PM

The dolts at PinkNews scored own goal by linking this video of the scary “terf” conference in order to ridicule them. It’s fascinating and very cogent...I finally see through the transactivist BS and why they don’t want the FACTS out there

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by Anonymousreply 91June 18, 2018 9:32 PM

According to the US Center for Disease Control, which is the US government itself, in a study released in 2014, 1 in 5 American women will be raped.

So yes, women are concerned with men having access to spaces where they will be naked and vulnerable, you fucking Trans bigot at R90.

A 12-year-old girl, just sprouting breasts and beginning to feel the male gaze, is supposed to be comfortable naked around a 35-year-old naked man, why? Because it's all about men's comfort not women's safety, and yet R90 is accusing women concerned with their own safety and the safety of their children of denying civil rights.

by Anonymousreply 92June 18, 2018 9:35 PM

[quote] you are not outraged about FtM, only MtF. I again suggest the driving impulse of your argument, and many other posters, is the perceived infantilism of women.

You are trying to play a game here. Sorry, this is bullshit. What you are showing is disregard for women's safety. You are denying women's civil rights to safety.

Trans ideology is bigotry against women and homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 93June 18, 2018 9:38 PM

Trans ideology in action is definitely harming the civil rights, and basic health of children and young people. This is a major crime.

by Anonymousreply 94June 18, 2018 9:39 PM

That's great, R91 - Shelia is calling it "Cross-dressing rights" (LOL!)

by Anonymousreply 95June 18, 2018 9:43 PM

The most boring topic in the history of this website. You're all boring!! Stop boring everyone!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 96June 18, 2018 9:47 PM

It is utter madness to me that we are humoring these mentally ill people and letting the tail wag the dog.

When a woman truly believes she’s a giant land whale but she weighs 87 lbs and she won’t eat, what do we do?

When a woman thinks she’s in love with the Golden Gate Bridge and wants to marry it and consummate that marriage, what do we do?

When a man thinks he’s a woman and wants to chop off his penis, what do we do?

by Anonymousreply 97June 18, 2018 9:53 PM

Thanks for that link R62. I think it's great, women of all races and backgrounds, liberal and conservative, coming together to fight this trans NONSENSE. I like how they have write-ups from women of different backgrounds telling their stories and the viewpoints from both a liberal and conservative view. They are all different but have the common goal of protecting actual women's rights and safety. I really wish that LGBT would drop the T already and start something like this.

by Anonymousreply 98June 18, 2018 9:55 PM

I don’t agree with Sheila Jeffrey’s brand of 70s separatist lesbian feminism and her general VERY anti-male and even anti-gay male sentiments or her views on sexual orientation BUT I totally agree with her analysis of the transgender movement and it’s dangers to free speech, common sense, and the safety of wome, and vulnerable children caught in its ideological grip

by Anonymousreply 99June 18, 2018 10:10 PM

In the clip at R91, a speaker says "in America, they're fucked. In Canada...I am so glad I do not live in Canada..."

here is a clearer link. It is at 1:01:26

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by Anonymousreply 100June 18, 2018 11:22 PM

I can't watch right now R100, can you provide some context to the quote please?

by Anonymousreply 101June 18, 2018 11:24 PM

She is saying because women fought for and gained laws against abuse and other things in the 1880s, these laws exist and the legal tradition to use those laws so women have the ability to fight back, using existing laws. Whereas the US does not and it is even worse in Canada?

by Anonymousreply 102June 18, 2018 11:30 PM

And the idiot here saying “women aren’t bothered by this” is ALSO erasing women. Because plenty are.

by Anonymousreply 103June 19, 2018 12:24 AM

Thanks R102, I don't agree with her on "they're fucked" meaning here in the US. But maybe it's worse than I even realize.

by Anonymousreply 104June 19, 2018 12:27 AM

Yes, R104. At this point between the US and the UK, I do not know who is more fucked. If things get going in the US, I think it can be fought... She might be right that Canada is the most fucked, though

by Anonymousreply 105June 19, 2018 12:39 AM

[quote] whose agenda will make them gobs of money.

Sorry, but this is bullshit. Hormones and one-time surgery are not like chemo treatment: they don't command anywhere near the money, and the (cheap) blackmarket sourced hormones are relatively safe. Also, the population is way too small for this to be a windfall of any sort. Not to mention, most trans people are economically challenged (many are homeless and do sex work to survive).

This is ludicrous.

PS. I was at a fundraiser a few weeks ago where the trans woman who was speaking said that the major gay organizations didn't help her or even answer her letters, but that she got the greatest help from the SPLC.

by Anonymousreply 106June 19, 2018 1:00 AM

No, R106, what's ludicrous is that you and your friend think that funding should be diverted from actual women's actual health issues to address your friend and his male cohorts mental health issues.

What's ludicrous is that because of men like your friend, laws are being passed all over the world that endanger females, lessen their ability to survive economically and erase their body parts and their very selves.

Any woman that supports this idiocy should go join the boys - use their bathrooms, compete on their sports teams, shower in their locker rooms.

Leave biological women alone.

by Anonymousreply 107June 19, 2018 1:08 AM

R107,

What are you talking about? I didn't mention a friend in my post.

by Anonymousreply 108June 19, 2018 1:10 AM

The trans woman speaker at the fundraiser you were at, R106

by Anonymousreply 109June 19, 2018 1:12 AM

Definitely Big Pharma will make big money off of this - it is a new market, everyday expanding, with customers for life.

Some big names mentioned here: Johnson and Johnson , Bristol-Myers Squibb, Glaxo-Smithkline etc

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by Anonymousreply 110June 19, 2018 1:16 AM

R106,

Yeah, but that person was not my friend.

I was sitting in an auditorium with 300 fellow gay and lesbian people listening to someone who was standing on a stage speaking. R107's sarcasm is over-the-top and strangely misplaced.

by Anonymousreply 111June 19, 2018 1:17 AM

SPLC is funding trans. There are supporting other regressive causes as well. And there are those Cayman Island accounts...

by Anonymousreply 112June 19, 2018 1:18 AM

So many trans will also say they're gay or lesbian. These people are all straight.

Mental illness and chronic pain often seem to be co morbidities with being trans, as do crowd funded wheelchairs and obesity.

by Anonymousreply 113June 19, 2018 1:20 AM

R3, R4, and R6 explained everything perfectly.

The original "T" in "LGBT" consisted of our our gay brothers who were naturally so feminine, and our gay sisters who were naturally so masculine, that life was easier and safer for them if they just lived/ "passed" as the opposite sex altogether. Think Paris is Burning and Stone Butch Blues.

The "T" that is currently driving the movement to destroy the category of woman, and override women's hard-won sex-based legal protections (funding for medical research related to women's health, Title IX, etc.) consists primarily of straight men who are mentally ill and/or titillated by the thought of themselves as women. These are the ones who call themselves "lesbians," and demand sexual and psychological validation from actual lesbian women.

The younger generation has been pretty thoroughly brainwashed, at least for now, to believe that a nebulous queer orientation is morally superior to an exclusionary "monosexual" orientation. They even sometimes refer to homosexuality as a "genital fetish."

But, in my experience, the older gays (I'm in my 30s) seem to know what's up. I have found gay men to be pretty sympathetic to lesbians who are Kinsey 6s, and can't work up any attraction to men or their penises to save our lives. It's astonishing and alarming that we're being asked to do so by others on the political left.

Some of us actually went through ex-gay therapy (I did, in my religious community of origin), and we know it when we see it.

by Anonymousreply 114June 19, 2018 2:57 AM

[quote] The "T" that is currently driving the movement to destroy the category of woman, and override women's hard-won sex-based legal protections (funding for medical research related to women's health, Title IX, etc.)

There is a part of the trans movement that is doing this (with little applause from lesbians and women); there is also another "wing," if you will, of the trans movement that is fighting against prison abuse, the right to work without discrimination, and what we would consider normal human/civil rights (which obviously elicits far more sympathy).

[quote] The original "T" in "LGBT" consisted of our our gay brothers who were naturally so feminine, and our gay sisters who were naturally so masculine, that life was easier and safer for them if they just lived/ "passed" as the opposite sex altogether.

I'm not a trans person, nor do I know that much about trans history. But when I listen to trans people explaining themselves and their own (idiosyncratic) history on youtube, the FtM seem pretty adamant that they were not butch lesbians; that they didn't feel sympatico with other butch lesbians; and that their "real" gender (however you want to phrase it) was male.

Most people have never felt what they are trying to describe, so I think tend to take them at their word.

by Anonymousreply 115June 19, 2018 3:06 AM

R92, it would seem u are unfamiliar with rates of violence against transgender.

So, science says gender is not binary.

People on this thread are having a tantrum because MtF transgender use the restroom.

Denying science and infantilizing women is what Nazis and fascists do.

Where have I heard the "my god! It's unnatural!!!! Think of the children!!!!" Before?????

Bigots are bigots.

by Anonymousreply 116June 19, 2018 3:16 AM

What is this shit? Since when did the T's suddenly get 2nd billing and bump the lesbians to the bottom? (Also, I don't know this guy, I just happened to come across it when I was doing an LGBT search.0

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by Anonymousreply 117June 19, 2018 4:03 AM

At this point, does anyone even blink at a "Nazi!" "bigot!" "fascist!" accusation? The effect has been completely lost due to overuse.

by Anonymousreply 118June 19, 2018 4:20 AM

Nazis denied people their civil rights to the point of murder.

Jews- subhuman Gays-subhuman Slavs-subhuman

People in this thread say. Trans aren't real, inspite of the science.

People want to deny transgender the use of appropriate bathrooms.

Why???? They scare the delicate women.

Not allowing a person to pee because you fear, based not on science but your value system is actually declaring a person subhuman.

We have been here before. Begin gay is a choice, it is not natural. It was bigotry then and its bigotry now.

by Anonymousreply 119June 19, 2018 4:49 AM

R119 I think the main issue is with the push for Trans'ing kids pre-18, when they're just gay and like Barbies. Imagine growing up gay in the past and people telling you want to be a Girl, rather than calling you gay. If you think kids are not susceptible to that propaganda you're insane. Most people don't come out and decide to be gay at 10 or 12, it takes years of self-reflection to make that step, Trans should be no different. Think about the way you thought at 12, I guarantee it's changed.

by Anonymousreply 120June 19, 2018 5:02 AM

I have been around gay activism for decades and in the process have met hundreds of "dykes" (which was how butch lesbians, at least the ones around me, preferred to be referred) - not one, NOT ONE, wanted to be a man. Even though the environment for lesbians was much worse back then they were proud to be women. Women who loved women.

So, I would suggest R115, as psychologists have also suggested, that the reasons behind what we're seeing now, i.e., the dramatic increase in females thinking that they want to become men is social contagion - Trans/ Queer/ Non-Binary is uber trendy, coupled with violent porn that makes girls, especially girls who've been abused, want to escape their female bodies, along with a rise in autism. Autistic girls are statistically more likely to attempt to transition and transgenders have much higher rate of autism than the general population.

I saw a kid a few days ago, a boy I would guess around 17. Really tall, well-built and handsome - like the Prom King/ Captain of the football team/ DL "nephew" handsome, but dressed in women's clothing with long hair and makeup. He was very consciously trying to be hip. Every parent I know has a trans kid in their kid's class. It's a trend. But the lives of the kids who take hormones and puberty blockers will be forever negative effected, and that's why we have to stop this trend.

by Anonymousreply 121June 19, 2018 5:07 AM

We don't know why the spike in transgender.

Maybe like with the rise in autism rates, people aren't killing or institutionalizing transgender.

So, more people identify as trans.

Maybe the culture has shifted. We don't know. What we know is the science is complex and it shows gender is not binary.

by Anonymousreply 122June 19, 2018 5:29 AM

R121, admittedly, at .3%, they are a minuscule part of the population.

As someone who is currently around hundreds of politically active people, many of them gay, I know of exactly three transgender people: one older MtF that I'll chit chat with at events; two FtMs who work at our local pride center. (And those FtMs are REMARKABLY unattractive and odd-looking. Nothing like that Harvard swimmer who has a cute baby butch thing going.)

You all who are arguing that there has been an uptick in trans numbers or that it appeals to people who have varying problems that cause gender confusion as a symptom might be right: I don't really have the background to know. It's just important to me personally that people (whatever they are) have civil rights, that they are not imprisoned or made impecunious or abused--and that's really where my trans activism begins and ends.

Whether they are allowed to be the token on the athletic team of an Ivy League university--who really cares?

by Anonymousreply 123June 19, 2018 5:38 AM

In California, it's now illegal to misgender a person. It's a crime.

Also in California, women in longterm care facilities, including nursing homes, must now share facilities with Trans"women."

In the UK, Trans "women" sex offenders, rapists and murderers are imprisoned with the female population. These are men who have committed sex crimes against women, now allowed to live with women in jail. This also is happening in places in the US as well.

So I am curious how you feel about this, R123, where do Trans "women" including "women" who have committed violent crimes against other women, rights end and actual women's rights begin?

by Anonymousreply 124June 19, 2018 6:00 AM

R110 ‘s information (ditto similar sites) is blocked in my location (UK), deliberately trying to prevent me from assessing both sides of the argument and coming to my own fair and balanced conclusion. Only one side does this — which is instructive

by Anonymousreply 125June 19, 2018 8:09 AM

R125, I'm in the UK too, and have been able to access every link on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 126June 19, 2018 9:48 AM

[quote]Whether they are allowed to be the token on the athletic team of an Ivy League university--who really cares?

Gee, I don't know. Maybe the woman that fought long and hard to be there, who got bumped off the team by a male? And you know very well it won't end at the university level. Soon they'll be taking the Olympic spots as well. That's how powerful the male physique is compared to the female physique.

[quote]Not allowing a person to pee because you fear, based not on science but your value system is actually declaring a person subhuman.

Why is it that borderline retarded trans supporters like R119 only EVER have arguments that relate to the use of bathrooms, and always forego commenting on the presence of males in women's locker rooms, prisons, shelter, sports teams etc etc. ? I'll tell you why - because they know it's the least contentious issue out of all the issues that arise when men demand access to spaces, resources and concepts that are dedicated to women. It's a useful trick for them to limit and control the conversation, and it is so blatantly OBVIOUS:

by Anonymousreply 127June 19, 2018 10:21 AM

You know what, r21? I'm right there with you on that thinking. While I'm fully aware that trans always existed, the type we're dealing with now is completely different than the trans were a part of our community decades ago (see r114's wonderful explanation). I've always felt that the monomania surrounding them over the last 5-8 years has been suspicious and inorganic. If this seems like a stretch to some people, consider what was revealed about Russian going as far as setting up fake black social media accounts and sharing inflammatory content that would alienate supporters from the cause of the protesters and anger those who typically lean right politically. Given everything we know (and what we can surmise) about Russia's insidious influence on the thoughts of average Americans, I wouldn't be surprised if this push was the same type of roundabout Russian attempt at alienating people from supporting left-leaning causes/politics and stressing an already strained relationship between our community and heteros & the religious. People have invested so much money into physically changing themselves (or their children) and the laws, that I think if our intelligence agencies ever find out that this push was urged on by Russia or anyone else, it won't be revealed to the public. I know I sound paranoid, but, again, this hyperfocus on everything trans as of late seems orchestrated to me.

by Anonymousreply 128June 19, 2018 10:35 AM

I’m right there with you r128. Occam’s razor. Did you know the Russians also did 9/11 and the Titanic? The facts are out there...

by Anonymousreply 129June 19, 2018 10:39 AM

R126 I promise you I’m not lying. I’m with Sky ...most of these “TERF” (aside from reddit) sites are listed as “hate” sites ..but r10 doesn’t even load and hasn’t since the gvmt put the porn block or whatever in place

by Anonymousreply 130June 19, 2018 11:05 AM

Look at this long ass twitter thread full of the Transtapo calling lesbians and gay men transphobic for not wanting to sleep with them. This trend is homophobic and borderline rape-ish.

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by Anonymousreply 131June 19, 2018 11:39 AM

[quote]We don't know why the spike in transgender.

Social contagion. It being pushed in the media -mass media, LGBTQ media, internet 24/7. It is a hugh political backlash against gay. That is what it is. And it pushed again heavily though tumblr, youtube, instagram, etc.

by Anonymousreply 132June 19, 2018 12:43 PM

[quote]This trend is homophobic and borderline rape-ish.

It sure is, and it is bullying, too. Bullying and brainwashing on the internet

by Anonymousreply 133June 19, 2018 12:44 PM

R127, it is about using the bathroom. The argument is that's MtF invade women's space, ie, the bathroom.

Science tells us gender is not binary.

So, u are saying it's ok to discriminate based on your value system. That is bigotry.

I have heard this before, gays are not natural, so it's ok to discriminate.

No, it's not. Bigotry is bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 134June 19, 2018 2:34 PM

“Science tells us gender is not binary.”

Science has NOTHING to say about “gender”, idiot. It’s a conceptual dog’s dinner/moveable feast more fitted to the realms of philosophy or sociology than science That’s why trannys and their useful idiots want to keep it on their bullshit “gender” grounds rather than scientificly veritable and falsifiable “SEX”. They’re are even trying, through there infiltration of (formerly) our LGB orgs and other handmaiden Human Rights orgs, to redefine and deconstruct “gay” & ”lesbian” as being attraction to the opposite GENDER rather than SEX (y’know as in homoSEXUAL)..and we know why and who it ultimately serves ..who power always serves — heterosexual men. In this case well educated privileged heterosexual white men with a crossdressing fetish!

by Anonymousreply 135June 19, 2018 2:53 PM

^Their*

by Anonymousreply 136June 19, 2018 2:59 PM

Oops also: Verifiable* not veritable.

by Anonymousreply 137June 19, 2018 3:01 PM

[quote]What we know is the science is complex and it shows gender is not binary.

Bullshit, r122.

Human reproduction is simple & binary: one male & one female are required to procreate.

Two males cannot naturally produce an offspring together.

Two females cannot naturally produce an offspring together.

Biological sex is binary.

Biological sex is also immutable. It’s physically impossible to “trans” one set of sex organs to its BINARY OPPOSITE.

Anyone born male will die male. Regardless of cosmetic surgery. Regardless of ingestion of drugs intended to temporarily mimic the hormonal characteristics of female biology.

GENDER STEMS FROM BIOLOGY.

Adult females do not “identify” as women. THEY ARE WOMEN.

Enough with the T Cult & their lies.

by Anonymousreply 138June 19, 2018 3:03 PM

OK when Harvard medical school tells us "gender is not binary", they are talking out their ass. Got it. I pity those mds and phds. Clearly they understand nothing about Gender, sex and biology,

So clear to me now!

by Anonymousreply 139June 19, 2018 3:09 PM

Not even all the brains of Harvard, MIT, and Oxbridge combined could come up with a precise or even barely adequate definition of “gender”

by Anonymousreply 140June 19, 2018 3:13 PM

I think we put in the same group to many kind of people. Some are rightfully misgender ( you can see that in brain scans), some are just deeply disturbed people. Is not bigotry be affraid for the safe of the women ( stop making us believe this just about the ladies room). Its seems to me that is time to put some limits. A women calling that her kid is no binary at the age of 4 is just not sane. Heterosexual men on every aspect of their life calling they are trans lesbians? We can't just pass that. Teens without developed genitals for the transicion surgery. We need to establish new limits, rules an even legislation we can trust. We are missing a lot and thats why so many gays are trying to distance from some of this insanity.

by Anonymousreply 141June 19, 2018 3:14 PM

R129 is obviously threatened.

So who produced the sissy porn videos that are recruiting straight men all over the world to become “lesbians”...?

by Anonymousreply 142June 19, 2018 3:15 PM

R131, male prostitutes impersonating women to straight men is also rapey.

The straight johns did not consent to homo sex.

Female impersonators, regardless of skill, are still men.

by Anonymousreply 143June 19, 2018 3:20 PM

R139, show me one Harvard professor or medical doctor who says it’s possible to change biological sex.

One. Just one.

I’m waiting.

Any medical doctor — doesn’t have to be Harvard educated — who says it’s possible to change a biological male into a biological female.

No bullshit. No obsufication. No personal attacks. No rabbit holes.

Just provide one MD who says it’s possible to change bio sex.

Thank you in advance.

by Anonymousreply 144June 19, 2018 3:24 PM

R131 There will always be extremists; that doesn't mean everyone on the left or all people who are accepting of trans rights hold that position. I support them to a degree, but I don't believe people should be expected to interact with genitals they are not attracted to. If someone calls me transphobic because of this position, I'm fine with that. I think most people share that opinion.

by Anonymousreply 145June 19, 2018 3:45 PM

Are bathrooms the ONLY sex-segregated space you've ever heard of, you retard at R134? I just listed a bunch of others that you conveniently ignored.

Why must I keep repeating myself?

by Anonymousreply 146June 19, 2018 3:57 PM

[quote]"gender is not binary",

The word "gender", it seems, means different things, and there is a political reason to confuse the meanings. Gender means stereotypical behavior/ dress of men/women according to what society expects, and it is also being used to mean biological sex. These are completely different things, opposite things. Drop the word - it does not mean anything if it cannot be used in a coherent way that everyone stands. It is a nonsensical propaganda word intentionally used to create confuse by those whose arguments do not stand up under the slightest scrutiny. "Binary" is also being used for contradictory meanings. More propaganda.

If people can state what they are saying in plain language they are better understood and more credible than those using words that have multiple meanings or no meanings.

by Anonymousreply 147June 19, 2018 4:13 PM

R144 The previous poster was not even talking about biological sex, so why would you make that request (which is really just a non sequitur)? Biological sex is immutable, so I would be surprised if any doctor made that claim.

But why can't society change to have gender non-binary people who are treated differently than either men or women? Anti-trans people should actually support the recognition of a non-binary identity as it may open up a wider range of gender expression (instead of "forcing" people who do not entirely fit in their birth sex to adapt to it).

by Anonymousreply 148June 19, 2018 4:17 PM

I have seen "trans" "non-binary" and "queer" used interchangeably.

by Anonymousreply 149June 19, 2018 4:22 PM

R132, social contagion is definitely part of it. I have teen and tween kids and three kids from their friend group are “trans”. (One also claims to be a “furry”).

I can’t profess to know their inner thoughts, but one seems to be a questioning lesbian, one is probably a straight/bi boy who needs a lot of attention and one is a girl who seems to be mentally ill (I’d call it Histrionic Personality Disorder).

I think *true* trans are rare. And I think the current “trans” designation is a catchall for gay kids who are questioning.

I feel for those kids.

by Anonymousreply 150June 19, 2018 4:51 PM

Wow r148 concedes that it’s impossible to change sex!!!

Stop the presses — or memes in this case.

Let the kids know — shout it from the mountain tops: YOU CAN’T CHANGE SEX.

Little boys who wear pink are still boys!!

No matter what Jazz does, he will always be male!! As r148 points out, it’s impossible to change sex!!!

So that ends the “bathroom” debate. Men’s rooms are for bio males. That’s why they have urinals — to accommodate male sex organs.

So anyone with male sex organs uses the men’s room. And stays the fuck out of the women’s restrooms — and sports.

by Anonymousreply 151June 19, 2018 5:58 PM

[quote]But why can't society change to have gender non-binary people who are treated differently than either men or women?

Treated differently how, r148 and what would that accomplish? I think we're already at a point a least in this country of understanding that many, if not most people, do not strictly conform to more rigid traditional male/female sex stereotype in terms of dress, interests or necessarily excel in areas where one sex was generally believed excel above another. We've also pretty much covered sexual orientation so what does "non-binary" even mean?

I agree with those who've already said there's a disturbing amount of social contagion happening here particularly among young people who've grown up craving a high need for outside validation that they're unique and special. And I strongly suspect when they leave academia and enter adulthood and the working world the vast majority of them will realize that they're not all that different from anyone else nor is anyone all that interested in the 50 Shades of their "gender identity."

by Anonymousreply 152June 19, 2018 5:58 PM

[quote]Anti-trans people

Don’t exist.

As you say in your first paragraph, it’s impossble to change sex.

So it’s impossible to “transition” from one sex to the opposite.

You might as well be talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, because “trans” only exists in your imagination.

It’s not real. The T Cult worship a false idol. They’re mutilating their REPRODUCTIVE organs for NO REASON other than to make them sterile & unfuckable.

by Anonymousreply 153June 19, 2018 6:02 PM

R144, you really dont get this . Katherine J. Wu article explains the science traits are heritary, so twins identifying as trans give us insight. The bed neuclus of the stria termialus in transgender women closer to Cis women not cis men.

It is from her article I cribbed gender is not binary.

But, you aren't going to read anything.

Just as straights tell us we only have male/female, you too insist trans is impossible because we only have male/ female. You are a bigot

by Anonymousreply 154June 19, 2018 6:19 PM

[quote]Just as straights tell us we only have male/female

There is only male and female. Straight and gay people agree on biological reality. Some straight people may not like homosexuality but straight and gay agree on biological reality.

In biology, in reality, there is only male and female. (A tiny percentage are intersex). That's it. Biological facts indicate that a cat is a cat, not a dog. This is reality, not "bigotry."

by Anonymousreply 155June 19, 2018 6:41 PM

Odd how so many trans people are also disabled, obese, mentally ill, and on Tumblr ten hours a day begging for money.

by Anonymousreply 156June 19, 2018 6:54 PM

I can't understand the constant shameless grifting. What's the justification behind it?

by Anonymousreply 157June 19, 2018 6:57 PM

Katherine J. Wu is a grad student. And her "article" isn't allowing any "negative" trans talk in the comments.

I think we're done here, R154

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by Anonymousreply 158June 19, 2018 7:03 PM

Are universities even allowed to research anything that counters the transactivist narrative at this point?

by Anonymousreply 159June 19, 2018 7:11 PM

Anyone know of any unbiased meta study on transgenderism?

by Anonymousreply 160June 19, 2018 7:12 PM

R160, it isn't real.

by Anonymousreply 161June 19, 2018 7:19 PM

R116 Lol, that righ rate of violence trans are so hard for total bullshit

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by Anonymousreply 162June 19, 2018 7:30 PM

It isn’t possible to change sex.

Now if an adult wants to dress a certain way or even take hormones or have surgery, that’s up to them, whatever makes them happiest, and I wouldn’t be rude to someone trying to find their best life.

But no, that person isn’t actually a man or woman; and certainly not if they just declare it to be so, which is what we are all supposed to agree to now.

There are a significant number of self-hating females identifying as male or non-binary, and there are also a lot of fetishistic men and men’s rights activists claiming a “female” identity to get access to female spaces or tell women to shut the hell up.

And that’s before we get onto what’s being done in the name of kids. Can you imagine proclaiming a five-year-old to be gay? But you can say they’re trans, no problem at all, that’s the human rights struggle of our era, etc...

There are a very small number of genuine trans people with a form of body dysmorphia that makes them think they are the other sex, who need to make every effort to be seen as that sex. I wish them every happiness, but reality is what it is. I won’t say that a male with a penis can be a lesbian, or that his wife is a lesbian for not divorcing him. Nope. And I very much fear for the non-gender-conforming children.

Will be glad when the whole trans trend runs full circle and we realise identifying people by biological sex is valid again...

by Anonymousreply 163June 19, 2018 7:30 PM

R151 Ok, go put out a press release: R148 has confirmed biological sex cannot be changed!

I wrote in a previous comment that I support trans rights to a degree, so I'm not exactly the trans rights activist you may think I am. I think if a MTF is not on hormone blockers, it's not fair for her to compete in the women's category. As for bathrooms, I don't give a fuck: there are so few trans people that I don't see it as being an issue.

It's funny how you people cannot even fathom that there is a range of opinions out there: being supportive of trans people does not automatically mean one is pushing for everything the far-left twitter activists are pushing for.

by Anonymousreply 164June 19, 2018 7:30 PM

funny....there are plenty of transwomen who can't wait to enter combat sports to beat the shit out of women but I see no transmen in line to do the same. When a transwomen reduce to a pulp a female fighter the only people who see that as normal are fellow trans or self loathing women who seems to hate other women, but I'm pretty sure if a transmen was to fight in ufc and ended up in a wheelchair everybody would scream bloody murder because.....deep down she's a woman and it's not fair.

by Anonymousreply 165June 19, 2018 7:50 PM

In Muay Thai there are trans fighters,but they are not allowed (nor they want) to fight against women, because the preparation begins at 5-6 years old for boys and the bone structure especially in the shins and elbows would be a devastating advantage. So they fight with men but are considered women at all effects,and even changed the sport ancient rules that didn't allow men to wear anything on top,but men will fight against men. No hormones bullshit talks just common sense from all the people involved.

Nong Ros...nobody considers her a man,she's very respected and a great fighter.When she will retire she will take hormones and transition but as of now she decided to use her male body to fight.I don't understand what's so difficult to understand.

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by Anonymousreply 166June 19, 2018 8:09 PM

Yes, the Wu article referenced and explained the science. You are welcomed to read the abstracts yourself.,... but all you did was look up Wu, without reading the work.

by Anonymousreply 167June 19, 2018 8:15 PM

Good study on the rates of violence trans women experience, R116. Enjoy!

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by Anonymousreply 168June 19, 2018 8:17 PM

There IS NO SCIENCE. Sorry. Let me put it in a way that you might understand, R167. Like, there is LITERALLY no science, okay?

by Anonymousreply 169June 19, 2018 8:18 PM

The infinitesimal number of trannies murdered correlates directly to them being sex workers. People don't murder trannies because they're trannies. People murder trannies because they're in a shady fucking business basically trying to pass themselves off as something they're not and grifting. When you lie down with dogs, you get murdered.

by Anonymousreply 170June 19, 2018 8:21 PM

Made up trans "science" and made up tables. Stop lying. Trans is lies 24/7. That is truly their problem - being pathological liars and OCD. The fake table at R168 is by someone who approved of the quote "“You don’t need education to achieve your goals.”

by Anonymousreply 171June 19, 2018 8:24 PM

There are way more women being murdered in prostitution but that is not a subject at all. Hey if all these prostitution murders -women or trans are terrible - and they are, why not be against prostitution?

by Anonymousreply 172June 19, 2018 8:26 PM

Next time actually check the table in r168 before dismiss it

by Anonymousreply 173June 19, 2018 8:31 PM

It's now called "sex work" and heralded as an honorable profession.

by Anonymousreply 174June 19, 2018 8:32 PM

There is no endemic violence against trans people.

Some trans women (very few trans men) are murdered. That’s largely because men murder women, particularly sex workers, at a reasonable rate. That’s the way of the world. White MTFs trying to claim oppression in North America or Northern Europe because of violent males in, for example, Brazil, is pathetic.

Of course we accept men murdering “cis” women as the natural order of things... murder a male dressing as a female and all hell breaks loose...

by Anonymousreply 175June 19, 2018 8:42 PM

What else is disgusting is straight psychiatrists, straight psychologists and straight school officials who apparently have no genuine understanding of androgyny , homosexuality or basic feminist ideas are going along with Trans extreme lunacy because they do not get sexuality (gay) or being an independent person at all. They only know the stupidest of stereotypes, which trans are encouraging - and these are the ones deciding the futures, the lives of tomboys and gay people - people WHO DON"T GET IT.

It is like there was zero women's or gay liberation.

by Anonymousreply 176June 19, 2018 9:15 PM

It was truly disturbing learning from that “TERF” conference how little (or indeed ANY) relevant professional expertise goes into these far reaching policy decisions vis-a-vis trans rights (invariably (piggy backing on LGB rights) by these Human Rights orgs et al. This (presumably paid) advocacy is out of control and corrupt as fuck

by Anonymousreply 177June 19, 2018 9:27 PM

It truly is,R177. It's sick, it's sad and it is infuriating.

The people in authority - health,government, education, media have truly failed.

by Anonymousreply 178June 19, 2018 9:31 PM

Even the W.H.O. are being cowed by the transactivist emotional blackmail (SUICIDE!!!???) in this social media age... of course the psychiatric bodies folded but what can you expect when so much of their decisions that are going through are are puzzling and controversial like the “computer addiction” nonsense. What the fuck is happening!? I think the SJW biased nonsense is spreading from the humanities to the sciences, as feared. This is the ultimate nightmare. If so we are fucked as civilsation

by Anonymousreply 179June 19, 2018 9:38 PM

I know. That is has gotten to the levels of WHO, the EU, the better universities, the Olympics - with no question.

I really think it is a sinister plot to wipe out homosexuals and destroy women's rights. They are really planning a hell on earth.

by Anonymousreply 180June 19, 2018 9:44 PM

The Lovely Lynda (with a Y) at R158:

"I wanted to thank you for this article. I have two trans teenagers. My 18 year old I had gave up for adoption and we recently reconnected. My 15 year old I’ve raised from birth. I myself would have identified as either bigender or gender fluid at a young age if the term existed back then. I identify now as demigirl. My teens are both gender fluid but lean more towards ftm. I have PCOS so I produce more testosterone than your typical woman. I have two older cis daughters who were born prior to me developing PCOS. This article makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you again."

by Anonymousreply 181June 19, 2018 10:46 PM

Those Gender Critical assholes hate gay men about as much as they hate trans people (I’ve been to their Reddit sub forum), so I don’t know why DL is so eager to throw their lot in with them.

by Anonymousreply 182June 19, 2018 10:55 PM

I have stopped trying to understand the Trans community. The fact is that they are not part of the gay community. Their movement is far removed from ours, so gays and Lesbians should not be made to cater to their needs. Girl, we got our own fight, so fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 183June 20, 2018 1:04 AM

[quote]closer to Cis women not cis men.

I tossed your "logic" there as there is NO SUCH THING as a "cis" woman, or "cis" man, there are ONLY women and men, enough of your gender hate!

by Anonymousreply 184June 20, 2018 1:29 AM

we have reached a point where men and women have to further categorize themselves and be careful not to mention anything trans women cannot do or have both emotionally or physically. God forbids pregnant women call themselves as such because the NOT ALL WOMEN CAN HAVE CHILDREN logic.

Trans women as another user mentioned, are most likely to be killed for the same reason that straight or gay men who use in vein drugs are more likely to contract hiv. For that matter women are more likely to have breast cancer and die giving birth than any trans women....nooooo shit.

by Anonymousreply 185June 20, 2018 2:24 PM

A woman has a uterus, ovaries and a vagina. A man has tested and a penis.

by Anonymousreply 186June 20, 2018 2:40 PM

^^TESTES

by Anonymousreply 187June 20, 2018 2:41 PM

The denial of science serves who?

Far left trans activists and those who deny genetic differences among races and biological sex.

Far right climate change deniers, evolution deniers and anti-abortion activists.

by Anonymousreply 188June 20, 2018 2:47 PM

R164 - in sports testosterone is not the only factor influencing physical performance. What about different body proportions like body mass distribution which allows for example for higher and longer jump among males? This cannot be simply blocked by hormone blocker yet it provides advantage from athletics to sports like volleyball or football.

by Anonymousreply 189June 20, 2018 3:07 PM

R189 all the sports that don't have weight or height differences. In combat sports like kickboxing or mma, if you get a liver kick, it's very different between a man and a woman. I cannot understand how the most basic common sense is completely ignored in favor of hormonal levels...which btw it was already proven that trans athletes were under the legal level but couldn't lower the testosterone at the same level of women because it was too dangerous or simply because medicine wasn't efficient for them...which made them once again in an advantage position.

by Anonymousreply 190June 20, 2018 3:24 PM

Men have bigger denser bones, bigger hearts & lungs and it goes on and on ...

Also these almost invariably heterosexual males have had the male privilege enabling lease of, say, boxing gyms etc and without the sexual harassment and societal judgement a “cis” woman would encounter for being too sport or aggressive. and so it goes on and on...

by Anonymousreply 191June 20, 2018 3:38 PM

Ease* not lease

by Anonymousreply 192June 20, 2018 3:39 PM

R191 absolutely. For example clinching or grappling. (Muay) Thai female fighters weakness compared to western fighters is the clinch because culturally they never felt appropriate to have such a close contact with a male trainer. Things have drastically change only in the past 5-6 years but the effects of the disadvantage are visible still, let alone if the fighter is also a trans woman.

by Anonymousreply 193June 20, 2018 3:48 PM

R170, straight men are murdering “transwomen” because they did not consent to homo sex.

Non-consensual sex is rape.

We already know that testerone makes men aggressive & prone to violence. Pissing them off is not wise.

Just think how much more violent a man “buying hookers” is to your average law abiding man.

Tricking them into homo sex is ridiculously stupid.

by Anonymousreply 194June 20, 2018 4:02 PM

I’ve never understood why men want to compete with women anyway. It’s like beating a four year old in a spelling bee. What a victory.

by Anonymousreply 195June 20, 2018 4:05 PM

Bullshit, r182.

Feminists have always supported gay rights.

And by “feminists” I mean the genuine ones — the ones who legalized abortion & outlawed domestic violence.

Actual feminists want to transcend “gender” altogether, because it is used by the patriarchy to control & opress women & gays (both groups include lesbians).

by Anonymousreply 196June 20, 2018 4:08 PM

Because they’re cheaters r195.

Men who identify as trans are usually betas. Weak men with no integrity.

They bully whom they perceive as weaker: women & gays.

by Anonymousreply 197June 20, 2018 4:11 PM

Sadly this issue, almost uniquely, is assuredly not the topic for “honest questions “

by Anonymousreply 198June 20, 2018 4:24 PM

We may face a situation where Caster Semenya can’t race women unless she artificially reduces her testosterone levels, but someone with a penis and testicles who identifies as a woman but has artificially lowered their own testosterone levels, can do so...

by Anonymousreply 199June 20, 2018 5:37 PM

I can't believe such obvious dishonesty is being allowed.

by Anonymousreply 200June 20, 2018 6:20 PM

R199 Caster is intersex,she's not a (bio) woman. She has no womb or ovaries, but internal testes because of a chromosomal abnormality...just because she id as a woman doesn't mean her body is, and it's pretty evident.

by Anonymousreply 201June 20, 2018 6:40 PM

If Caster has testes (even if undescended), doesn’t that make him a man?

by Anonymousreply 202June 20, 2018 8:01 PM

Doesn't Caster have a form of vagina too, hence her being initially thought to be actually female rather than intersex, which is often diagnosed later in life?

I know this is a minefield.

by Anonymousreply 203June 20, 2018 8:03 PM

R202 no, she's intersex....

R203 well she was asked to take a gender test only after she was questioned,so more specific tests were conducted later on. the debate is not scientific but ethical as in: if someone is born with internal balls and produces testosterone way above the average female athlete,should she lower her levels? (after all unlike transwomen it's a natural state for her...).

by Anonymousreply 204June 20, 2018 8:28 PM

R204 - The Caster case is an interesting one as it was handled so badly by the authorities involved and I feel for her a bit. She has been female from birth and it's no fault of hers that she has male organs inside her as well as her external female characteristics.

I can see both sides of the story. It can't be much fun for the non-intersex females racing against her but there have always been varying levels of testosterone among women. Successful athletes tend to have higher testosterone levels anyway. I'm tempted to suggest it's almost unethical for them to make her reduce her testosterone levels since they're entirely natural.

But we're going off-topic now. She's a lesbian married to a woman so isn't really part of the trans debate.

by Anonymousreply 205June 20, 2018 8:40 PM

She hasn't been female from birth, R205, and she still isn't. She's intersexed. As were number two and number three at the 800 meter event at the last Olympics, which Caster won. Shows you just how much of an advantage they have. Intersexed shouldn't be racing in the female category either.

by Anonymousreply 206June 20, 2018 8:47 PM

I meant she's lived as female. Identified as female. All that. From what I've read, the intersex diagnosis didn't come until later in life. She wasn't called intersex at birth... She was called female.

by Anonymousreply 207June 20, 2018 8:50 PM

Very interesting case, she is a "Natural" transwoman, she is genetically a male, but looks like a woman. The criteria should be the same i guess.

by Anonymousreply 208June 20, 2018 9:05 PM

No "transwoman" isn't a real thing. There is a word for it: intersex.

by Anonymousreply 209June 20, 2018 10:21 PM

The intersex debate has no place here. It's so rare it's almost not worth considering.

It shouldn't be part of the trans debate.

by Anonymousreply 210June 20, 2018 10:22 PM

Why should the category of women be erased just because of the miniscule numbers of intersex people and "true" transsexuals?

by Anonymousreply 211June 20, 2018 10:27 PM

Who said the category of women should be erased in any of the intersex discussion above?

Wtf are you talking about? Actual cases of athletes being proved intersex are like a handful in all the however many tens or even hundreds of thousands of professional athletes that have competed. The intersex issue has nothing to do with what we're discussing. There isn't a coordinated intersex activist community pushing their agenda.

by Anonymousreply 212June 20, 2018 10:36 PM

I'm in a rad fem group where we are no longer allowed to use the term " Women" or " Woman" in case it triggers the non binaries.

Let that sink in... The radical feminist group where you're not allowed to say the word woman.

by Anonymousreply 213June 20, 2018 10:40 PM

R213 - I would leave that group immediately. They sound like idiots.

by Anonymousreply 214June 20, 2018 10:43 PM

R214 Me and some 2 3rds of the membership are starting our own group. Still inclusive but without the eggshell walking.

by Anonymousreply 215June 20, 2018 10:49 PM

Yes, that does not sound very "rad fem" at all.

Oh, good, start your own group. Don't be inclusive of those who wish to silence you.

by Anonymousreply 216June 20, 2018 10:51 PM

Is that in the US, R215 or the UK?

Are they talking about the T issues as we do on DL?

by Anonymousreply 217June 20, 2018 10:52 PM

R212 the trans community does have a history of citing intersex people to boost their own claims to womanhood.

by Anonymousreply 218June 20, 2018 10:54 PM

R215 its based in Europe, mostly about women's issues in my country. This offended those members who " felt excluded by the language"

by Anonymousreply 219June 20, 2018 10:56 PM

R217 For what it's worth, I haven't heard any of the kind of discussion I've seen on DL in the UK re Trans. We're possibly more tolerant here but I've never seen any kind of debate about the kind of issues I've seen here on DL. I'm not sure if that means it's not an issue here or I've just missed it. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert.

by Anonymousreply 220June 20, 2018 10:57 PM

I don't know what you mean by "tolerant" - T is about the transing of kids and bullying women.

by Anonymousreply 221June 20, 2018 11:02 PM

That hasn't happened here yet.

by Anonymousreply 222June 20, 2018 11:05 PM

R220 i think you've missed this - there's been a series of articles in papers like Times, followed by rebuttals in Guarfian and there's a recent debate on Channel 4 which was quite controversial. it got less intense with Windrush, Brexit debate but it's still quite a hot topic

by Anonymousreply 223June 20, 2018 11:05 PM

R223 - it doesn't appear to be a mainstream topic at all. I don't know of anyone who's trans or has trans kids or any of that. The nearest I've come to a trans person was a pre-op MtF who worked behind the bar at Cannon Street station.

by Anonymousreply 224June 20, 2018 11:09 PM

The mainstream doesn't get it at all and tunes out. Do you know if lesbians are talking about it?

by Anonymousreply 225June 20, 2018 11:18 PM

Did you miss the changes they recently made in the UK medical system, R224? How they've basically banned the word "woman"? Right now your government is contemplating "self-id", which, from what I've read, would allow a bunch of convicted rapists to be moved to women's prisons.

From the outside, it seems like the UK is a lot further down the rabbit hole than the US.

by Anonymousreply 226June 20, 2018 11:22 PM

Why do so many trans end up in crowd funded wheelchairs?

It's a mystery.

by Anonymousreply 227June 20, 2018 11:47 PM

R220 the largely straight crowd at Mumsnet have been where a lot of women were talking about these things. The site has put in a new policy due to the number of trans-themed threads.

The T lobby is banking on people’s naivety, ignorance, lack of time to appreciate the issues, and a dash of “live and let live.” Ask the average person in the street what a T is and they will assume sex reassignment surgery is involved. Once Joe Public appreciates that most trans women are “intact” and that people actually spend time and energy on “non-binary” identities, they tend to wake up a little.

by Anonymousreply 228June 21, 2018 1:51 AM

and the only category effected by trans problems are women.....you'll never find trans men asking other men shit. men didn't have to change anything just include transmen in their spaces, but women have to moderate and abide to rules and restrictions imposed by the smallest of minority trans women and larger group of self loathing females who think having the best interest at heart for the trans community means restricting women's rights that don't effect them personally. inclusiveness my ass.

by Anonymousreply 229June 21, 2018 10:45 AM

Yes, R229. That is why this insanity has gone this long. It is attack on women. And children.

by Anonymousreply 230July 11, 2018 9:48 PM

Have you read the crazy stuff where they pretend to have periods?

by Anonymousreply 231July 11, 2018 9:49 PM

R231 wow transphobia much? Don’t you know that just because they’re not menstruating doesn’t mean they don’t have periods!!! Also not all women have periods!!!111 Blah blah blah.

They are fetishistic, appropriating, lunatic pervs, and I’m sick to the back teeth of them. When will trans be over?!

by Anonymousreply 232July 11, 2018 10:46 PM

I agree, R232. When will it be over indeed?

by Anonymousreply 233July 11, 2018 10:56 PM

Exhausted by trans and they need to go.

by Anonymousreply 234July 12, 2018 12:04 AM

The world is finally catching on that trans people are fucking insane.

by Anonymousreply 235July 12, 2018 12:05 AM

I feel so torn about this stuff.

On the one hand, if you want to declare yourself trans and live as the opposite gender, then you do you. It's no skin off my nose, and really has no impact on me.

On the other hand I am bothered by puberty blockers, and letting four year olds declare themselves to be trans. I saw some clips from a network special where a four year old girl is now living as a boy, her parents transferred her to a new school because she wasn't accepted as a boy at her old school. Has the concept of a tomboy been completely thrown out? Are all effeminate boys non-binary now? When I was young I had two sisters and no brothers. I played with their dolls with them, and did lots of "girly things." As I grew older I developed more "masculine" interests, but I also still do things that are considered feminine. My grandmother taught me to knit and crochet and I still do that. I have blond hair and fair skin so I wear a lot of pink and lavender and light blue because they look good with my skin tone. Pale pink is actually my favorite color, I find it to be soothing and calming. So does that make me "not a man."

Maybe we need to focus on getting rid of the gender stereotypes altogether, start understanding that colors and fragrances don't have gender, that girls can be rough and tumble, and that boys can be nurturing, and that those things are okay. I feel like the drive lately is to rigidify the stereotypes, and then declare anyone who doesn't fall into those narrow definitions to be non-conforming. Give the kids a chance to grow up. If they feel like they are the wrong sex, then ask them why and explain to them that girls can like "boy" things and boys can like "girl" things. If they still feel like they need to change gender, let them do it when they are adults.

I also have grave concerns about things like women's shower rooms, and the whole cotton ceiling thing. Again, you be you, but you have to let other people be themselves as well. If a lesbian doesn't want to have sex with an MTF, she doesn't have to, and you don't get to shame her for it. Sexual attraction is the one area where, really, you get to discriminate based on any criteria you choose. MTF Youtubers go on about the cotton ceiling and how lesbians refusing to have sex with someone because they have a penis are transphobic and wrong. It feels so rapey. No means no, it doesn't matter what the reason is. Anyone should be allowed to say no to sex with anyone they want, for any reason. To suggest otherwise is to argue for rape culture. Women have a right to feel safe in women only spaces, they have a right to request a female perform pelvic exams, and expect a female, not a male "woman" or a non-binary person with a beard to arrive in response to their request.

I also have a problem with trans people stating that the terms Gay and Lesbian are transphobic. Or that gays and lesbians are genital obsessed. That smacks of homophobia to me, which just leads to a circle of transphobia/homophobia accusations.

I assume that the majority of trans people are not like this, and it is just the fringe whack-a-doodles on the net that are screaming out and making the rest look bad. I hope so.

by Anonymousreply 236July 12, 2018 12:09 AM

A group has come together to sign to a letter essentially saying that lesbians should not be able organise as a class

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by Anonymousreply 237July 12, 2018 10:11 PM

I am less afraid of a random straight dude than a random creepy “lesbian” MtF.

A male who identifies as a lesbian is creepy AF. Simple as that.

by Anonymousreply 238July 13, 2018 1:20 AM

"why trans women, who are straight, did not decided to approach women's groups for help in advocating for their rights"

they have but they usually demand to flaunt their female penises in women's spaces

you can see how nobody would want that

by Anonymousreply 239July 13, 2018 1:30 AM

Haven't they infiltrated all of the women's groups?

by Anonymousreply 240July 13, 2018 1:48 AM

Another honest question-

I am always horrified to hear about violence and murder, and it is sad to hear about violence against MtF "trans-identifying" people. That being said, I wonder how many of these people are involved with the sex industry. I assume more than the average percentage of gender non-conforming people have employment roadblocks and mental health issues and are forced to turn to prostitution for survival. This is a very dangerous lifestyle for anyone. What people assume is "transphobia" might be just the inherent violence of any sex worker.

by Anonymousreply 241July 13, 2018 2:43 AM

Yes, that is what it is - prostitution. Which kills women, too - more. As usual T twists things.

by Anonymousreply 242July 13, 2018 2:48 AM

The problem is that mainstream America doesn't understand that the vast majority of these folks are kinky straight men.

They WANT to be in all the secret lady places like changing rooms, locker rooms, lesbian bedrooms, rape counseling centers, battered women's shelters.

by Anonymousreply 243July 13, 2018 2:58 AM

r240 i'm not in the USA so i'm talking from a different perspective here

by Anonymousreply 244July 13, 2018 4:33 AM

Ok. They infiltrated them in Canada, too.

by Anonymousreply 245July 13, 2018 10:55 AM

Organizations showing their true colors these days by throwing women under the bus.

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by Anonymousreply 246July 13, 2018 9:37 PM

Interesting R246.

I agree with the tweets that say the quakers feared (male) violence.

Bio women can’t even have a meeting of their own. Male approval is required.

Crazy times. Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 247July 13, 2018 11:23 PM

Did they fear real male violence or the pretend violence of words that trans scream about (while threatening women)?

by Anonymousreply 248July 13, 2018 11:56 PM

The women want to have a meeting because they have a point of view. Given equalities law recognises sex (not gender) as a protected characteristic, they’re well within their rights to meet and discuss what they believe will affect females.

What is with this inability to even countenance someone having a meeting that you personally disagree with the premise of?? How did we get to the point where trans trumps women?

by Anonymousreply 249July 14, 2018 1:38 AM

I know. It's incredible.

by Anonymousreply 250July 14, 2018 1:42 AM

Soon trans will trump gay.

by Anonymousreply 251July 14, 2018 12:59 PM

R251 Well, a prolific tranny “lesbian” (aka heterosexual man) commenter on PN and a million other LGBT sites just said: “gay people are the straights of the LGBT movement”. so you can count on that. That was the plan all along, dividing us and picking us off one by one...a masculinise takeover

by Anonymousreply 252July 14, 2018 3:31 PM

[a somewhat circuitous and un+orthodox) Masculinist* takeover

by Anonymousreply 253July 14, 2018 3:33 PM

A 7 year old 'trans' child wins the Los Angeles 'pride' parade

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by Anonymousreply 254July 14, 2018 9:41 PM

Hmmm.

Not sure how to process the clip at r254.

Ok, I’m a little uncomfortable with it. The pedo angle...ugh.

I’m all for little boys being queeny. In fact I think it’s cute.

But this seems to be something else altogether...

Again...hmmm.

by Anonymousreply 255July 14, 2018 9:59 PM

Ooooh dis bitch is badass. The analysis of these AGP narcissistic rage is spot on. My new fav feminist!

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by Anonymousreply 256July 15, 2018 5:13 PM

You can see the autism on its face in r256. I don’t even have to play the clip.

by Anonymousreply 257July 15, 2018 5:32 PM

Excellent video, r256. Thank you for posting.

Nobody asks transwomen if wearing dresses gives them erections? Nobody talks about whether or not some straight men get sexually excited by dressing as a woman or being in women’s bathrooms.

It’s a valid question. What’s wrong with sex? We are in the age of “sex positivity.” Everyone talks about their genitalia now...front holes, strappies, top surgery, etc.

Women feel threatened by having *members* of the opposite sex with them while in a state of undress. Many women have been sexually victimized by males. If a man presents himself as a woman, and DEMANDS access to women’s spaces, can’t he in the very least confirm that vulnerable women in an undressed state give him a hard-on? Wouldn’t that be Women’s Safety 101?

Remember the tranny who recorded a teen girl trying on bikinis at Target? When the cops caught up with him, well AFTER the teen girl had been violated, victimized & terrified, he said “I did what men do.” Yes, of course men secretly record teen girls trying on bikinis! Fucking DUH.

A tranny posted right here on DL once that it’s nobody business if he decides to masturbate in a bathroom stall. Fucking great. Be sure to ask all the other trannies if they feel the same way. Like little girls & old women should be ok with a guy jerking off in the stall next to them.

So...there is a global epidemic of violence against women & girls right now. Three women are murdered by men each day in the USA. Females babies are killed daily in India & China...not because they identify as female, but becuse they have female biology.

Do transwomen care? Nope. Do they care about the metoo movement or pay equality or reproductive rights? Nope.

All they care about is accessing women’s bathrooms. And lowering the age of medical consent to children. Interesting priorities, no?

Transwomen are not women. They are the worst kind of men. Don’t believe me? Ask them if they get elections under their skirts. and ask them about their porn habits...and then compare their porn habits with women. You will see clearly that transwomen are men.

by Anonymousreply 258July 15, 2018 6:11 PM

Typo fixed:

[quote]can’t he in the very least confirm that vulnerable women in an undressed state DO NOT give him a hard-on?

Men who say they feel like they are women need to confirm that cross-dressing, voyeurism, & exhibitionism turn them on. Because it does not turn on women. And if they are women, they will enthusiastically answer that of course not.

by Anonymousreply 259July 15, 2018 6:15 PM

There was a batshit insane poster a while back who kept insisting women get turned on by the act of getting dressed. He was claiming that if a woman said she felt sexy in a particular outfit that meant she was being aroused by the act of pulling on panties. Various people pointed out that in this instance sexy meant she felt attractive but no, he insisted women get aroused by browsing their wardrobe in the morning and putting on underwear. This is why MtT will NEVER understand why women give them the side eye.

by Anonymousreply 260July 15, 2018 6:19 PM

Yes, another big thing that is not being discussed. They get a hard on being women's clothes and in women's places - and that is who they want to let in to women and girls changing rooms, bathrooms, shelters etc - the very person who should not be there.

So many huge things that are not being discussed. Like the crap they are doing to kids is completely unnecessary including putting them on dangerous drugs linked to cancer.

Why are the basic elements of this story not discussed? Instead we get: "Repeat after me: a man is a woman is a woman is a woman is a woman."

by Anonymousreply 261July 15, 2018 6:31 PM

The anti-Trans cunts are so fucking insane. I wonder what kinds of diagnoses they have?

by Anonymousreply 262July 16, 2018 1:53 AM

^ Stupid

by Anonymousreply 263July 16, 2018 3:16 AM

I mean R262 is stupid of course. How can you really not get what is going on at this point. Really, really stupid.

by Anonymousreply 264July 16, 2018 3:16 AM

R128, the list of funders is not Russian.

by Anonymousreply 265July 16, 2018 3:24 AM

Yes, I think it seems orchestrated, too, but not by Russia.

by Anonymousreply 266July 16, 2018 3:27 AM

Soros $? Pritzker $? The funders are clear, R142. Many in the military are also suddenly transitioning. Hmmm.

Remember, the rate of suicide goes UP after transition. Very sad. Think of Manning as a recent example. Hope Jazz does not go down that path but the mental issues and isolation were in place at a very young age.

by Anonymousreply 267July 16, 2018 3:30 AM

Look at this. Isn't this creepy - it really is an anti-gay push. This guy is arguing against homosexuality -saying that is "a gender construct"

This is T propgaganda: "gay is a social construct", and biology is a "social construct"...but a man wearing high heels and dressing like a prostitute is very real....it's insane but it really shows what the agenda is.

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by Anonymousreply 268July 16, 2018 3:32 AM

R254 = dancing boy

by Anonymousreply 269July 16, 2018 4:13 AM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 270July 16, 2018 4:44 AM

[quote]I thought we were against that, [R269], along with opposing the mutilation of the genitals of children. Or sterilizing the mentally ill. Or oppressing women. Or experimenting on human subjects unable to give consent. Or, well, you get the point.

Yes, exactly. That is why I wrote that. They aren't really against any of those things.

by Anonymousreply 271July 16, 2018 4:56 AM

a bunch of T anti-lesbian, anti-gay comments:

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by Anonymousreply 272July 16, 2018 11:49 AM

I got the solution: all women should ID as men and all men should ID as women so that trans women will have nothing to complain about and no choice but stay in the trans women bathroom,after all they will be pissing with fellow women born in men's bodies.

by Anonymousreply 273July 16, 2018 12:41 PM

R262: you ARE a bigot. Against women & gays.

“Cunt” is a misogynistic slur. It’s not a wild I hear American women use.

Misogynists have no right to decide who uses women’s bathrooms. Just like homophobes have no right to dictate Pride, and that the gay community should be known as “queer”.

by Anonymousreply 274July 16, 2018 12:46 PM

* word not wild

by Anonymousreply 275July 16, 2018 12:47 PM

This on PN’s story about Paris Jackson coming out.

“Jackson recently backed Caitlyn Jenner’s rumoured plans to run for the Senate in the US.

She tweeted that “Caitlyn’s got my vote”, citing the lack of transgender people in politics.

Jackson added: “I’d rather [Orange is the New Black star] Laverne Cox run for senate but hey beggars can’t be choosers.”

Responding to critics of Jenner’s conservative stance, Jackson added: “I mean I hear the LGBTQ community doesn’t really endorse her, but regardless, having a trans woman in office is still a step forward.” “

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This boneheaded identity politics shit is terrifyingl for its implications and so typical of this generation

by Anonymousreply 276July 16, 2018 1:26 PM

How can Paris self id as an activist when she barely finished high school? Oh wait....

by Anonymousreply 277July 16, 2018 3:12 PM

Paris is retarded. Sorry, but true. She might as well have been raised in the woods.

by Anonymousreply 278July 16, 2018 3:21 PM
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