Trump - Fund My Wall & Kids Will Be Reunited w/ Families

That's really not going to go over well: holding kids hostage while we have those stories and images just isn't going to work on anyone but his (shrinking) base.

The demands of a kidnapper.

Was this tweeted in letters cut out of various magazines?

Extortion straight from the Russian mob

It's not the wall that's the issue; Chuck Schumer already offered to fund the wall completely in exchange for stopping this bullshit and protecting the DACA recipients. It's the other parts of this package that they're not going to accept. Trump wants to completely rewrite the U.S. immigration story and he refuses to compromise.

He really is holding kids hostage, which is not going over well. Even the religious right is turning against him on this.

Hostage situation.

I wish an angry mob would storm the whit house and lynch the lot. I'd pardon them all.

Send in the National Guards.

So he’s literally holding children hostage. Fucking suppurating CUNT.

Kidnapping and blackmail... that's trump's style, and a huge crime, if done by someone else. This "thing" doesn't have a threshold of how low he goes.

If the wall were not built to reduce the number of illegals coming in, he would lose his base.

Fuck his base!

Why does Congress need to fully fund the wall? I thought he was going to get Mexico to pay for it.

IN a less listless country, Molotov cocktails would be raining down on GOP headquarters across the nation. But in the US, it's brunch and a nap day.

How do the deplorables, who call themselves Christians, justify this? They ignore the fact that Trump is a racist, a racist, and a traitor to our country, yet these idiots, who weep and wail over abortions, aren't "thinking of the CHILDREN" now! When many of the children are 'permanently missing even if the said children showed up as stars of snuff films--the deplorables will fall to their knees to worship their orange antichrist!

They don’t care about children once they’re born, r15.

You don’t think he and his base would round up us queens for detention camps if they could? Fuck him and his supporters.

Can't we just buy Trump a few toy drones from Amazon to patrol the border?

IT’S NOT A LAW. it’s a trump administration POLICY. He’s holding children hostage for a wall because he knows it’s the only monument that will ever be built in his name. He truly is that evil.

Yep... the "Christian" family values of ripping families apart. That's fine with them. They are so pro life for the unborn, yet don't care if people are slaughtered by gun violence (NRA nutters), and how children are being taken away from their families.

R17, to Trump, gay men are like court dwarfs. They exist solely for his amusement, not as individuals with their own rights or desires.

[quote] just isn't going to work on anyone but his (shrinking) base.

He has the highest approval ratings among republicans of any republican president. His approval rating is going up among the entire population. Where are you getting the idea his base is shrinking? They are emboldened by his increasingly combative behavior. They think he’s “deal making.”

This will make him win a second term and he will win an unprecedented third term if he orders border patrol agents to indiscriminatly shoot inmigrants.

Those of you who are outraged dont know how the majority of your fellow countrymen think

R22, the number of people identifying as Republican has dropped by about 5 percentage points. His base is shrinking.

R23, you're wrong on all counts. This one is too much even for many of the deplorables. Hell, he even lost the Southern Baptist Convention, not to mention the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Tearing families apart is one step too much, even for his base.

[quote]The policy has cracked Trump’s usually united conservative base, with a wide array of religious leaders and groups denouncing it. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Southern Baptist Convention issued statements critical of the practice.

[quote]The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, who delivered a prayer at Trump’s inauguration, signed a letter calling the practice “horrible.” Pastor Franklin Graham of Samaritan’s Purse, a vocal supporter of the president’s who has brushed aside past Trump controversies, called it “terrible” and “disgraceful.”

And yes, this is all about hostages, as the above linked article makes clear:

[quote]“The president has told folks that in lieu of the laws being fixed, he wants to use the enforcement mechanisms that we have,” a White House official said. “The thinking in the building is to force people to the table.”

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[quote]“On the legislative side, they are not trying to talk to any Democrats,” said Drew Hammill, deputy chief of staff for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). “They are holding the kids hostage.”

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[quote]Some senior officials think Democrats will be pressured by the policy to cut an immigration deal.

[quote]“If they aren’t going to cooperate, we are going to look to utilize the laws as hard as we can,” said a second White House official.

R20 Christians don’t care about unborn children. It’s just an excuse that they use to control women’s bodies.

Sessions really generated a backlash when he tried to use Biblical Scripture to support his policy.

[quote]Embers of disapproval were stoked when Attorney General Jeff Sessions cited scripture on Thursday in defense of the administration's tough immigration policies.

[quote]"I would cite you to the apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes," he said.

[quote]Historians and faith leaders were quick to point out that such passages were also used to justify slavery. "The founders of this nation used the same tactics to enslave our African forebears by lifting from the writings of the Apostle Paul passages to condone slavery and to break their spirit," the African Methodist Episcopal Church stated. It called Sessions'remarks "sad and sinful."

And other religious leaders are really not on board.

[quote]Evangelical leader Franklin Graham, son of "America's pastor" Billy Graham and a prominent Trump supporter, told the Christian Broadcasting Network on Tuesday, "It's disgraceful, and it's terrible to see families ripped apart and I don't support that one bit."

[quote]Tony Suarez, a Latino pastor who has informally advised Trump, tweeted, "God have mercy on those who seem so nonchalant to the plight of children being separated from their parents."

[quote]Rabbi Jonah Dov Pesner, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, called it "unconscionable," saying, "Those at the highest levels of the Trump administration are responsible and must provide the public a clear explanation of how this happened and how these families will be reunited."

[quote]Jentezen Franklin, a member of Trump's evangelical council, told CNN, "It's a very dangerous route to go when you begin to take selections of scriptures and say, 'The Bible was written to justify political standings. The Bible was never written as a political road map.' "

[quote]Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who in March said that the "big tent of the Democratic Party now seems a pup tent," called the breaking up of families "un-American and unbiblical."

r27 and a platform they have used for years to get votes and it worked

When Republicans lose the Southern Baptist Conference, that's a pretty huge loss. Quoting:

WHEREAS, God commands His people to treat immigrants with the same respect and dignity as those native born (Leviticus 19:33–34; Jeremiah 7:5–7; Ezekiel 47:22; Zechariah 7:9–10); and

WHEREAS, Scripture is clear on the believer’s hospitality towards immigrants, stating that meeting the material needs of “strangers” is tantamount to serving the Lord Jesus Himself (Matthew 25:35–40; Hebrews 13:2); and

WHEREAS, Southern Baptists affirm the value of the family, stating in The Baptist Faith and Message that “God has ordained the family as the foundational institution of human society” (Article XVIII), and Scripture makes clear that parents are uniquely responsible to raise their children “in the training and instruction of the Lord” (Ephesians 6:4); and

WHEREAS, Untold numbers of men and women seeking to enter the United States legally, desiring to become good citizens of our country, often languish at the borders due to the complexity of our immigration system; and

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RESOLVED, That we desire to see immigration reform include an emphasis on securing our borders and providing a pathway to legal status with appropriate restitutionary measures, maintaining the priority of family unity, resulting in an efficient immigration system that honors the value and dignity of those seeking a better life for themselves and their families; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we declare that any form of nativism, mistreatment, or exploitation is inconsistent with the gospel of Jesus Christ; and be it further

And, of course, Trump is still being a fucking coward, since there is no law that requires this. This is a Trump administration policy that he can change by simply picking up the phone and making a call to Sessions.

The New York Times today confirmed my suspicion that the vile little sociopathic worm Stephen Miller is the "brains" behind this.

They will wail and gnash their teeth but will evangelicals actually DO anything about it.

No.

Sure they’ll sign letters saying, “Tut tut. This is a bad thing.” But they’ll still support him.

All these fake, sanctimonious preachers like that douchebag Franklin Graham all talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, does anyone seriously think one of these gutless, spineless low life con artists will actually do anything to go against Trump.

Why is he blackmailing To fund the wall? He said Mexico would pay for it. What is he, some kind of common liar?

Hey, R23, or should we call you Boris or Sascha? There's something called the 22nd Amendment, which states:

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term."

and...

"This Article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress"

Simply, fuck off back to Putin's shrivelled cock, you worthless whore.

[quote]Evangelical leader Franklin Graham, son of "America's pastor" Billy Graham and a prominent Trump supporter, told the Christian Broadcasting Network on Tuesday, "It's disgraceful, and it's terrible to see families ripped apart and I don't support that one bit.

Isn't that almost he exact wording Trump used right before he blamed it on Democrats. There's probably part of Graham's quote that was misplaced.

[quote]The demands of a kidnapper.

Exactly - as if he's holding the kids hostage

And no one has chills going down their spine that the attorney general of the United States in 2018 is using scripture passages in order to justify the actions of government?

Child abuse

R11, The wall cannot be built. Geography, you know. Not to mention tons of Eminent Domain cases.

R23, You are incredibly ignorant. And maybe only in 7th grade.

1. FDR was elected FOUR times, so no, a 3rd Trump one wouldn't be "unprecedented."

2. But since FDR it's not possible. See again: r37.

It's entirely possible that R43 is NOT an American, R43. How much about the Australian constitution do you know? We'll wait.

Obviously, I meant R23 is not an American, but you're hyperreactive anyway so who cares.

R15, The children aren't White American Christian children (they are probably Roman Catholic Mary!-worshipers). And they are poor.

IOW, clearly not God's Favored.

The little tykes are in a secure place, so this is working very well for them.

He can say whatever he wants, that evil gnome Sessions can quote Scripture all day long, it's not helping.. Their child abuse scandal grows and gets worse for them with each passing day. As long as the Democrats hold fast (never guaranteed) then they can force Twitler to back down on this.

We have to be willing to make him eat his policy and pay the price for it. If we let him get away with this then god only knows what he'll do next. We do not negotiate with terrorists, Don, so fuck off and die.

"God only knows what he'll do next." ... Very scary. trump doesn't care how low, or how dirty he goes, as long as he "wins" in his warped brain. This is why it's so important for Democrats to toughen up and stop this bastard. This is why it's so important for all Democrats to get out and vote this November. He will try anything, as long as he feels he can get away with it, and he really will become the monster he is... 2nd coming of Hitler.

Donald Trump truly is an evil peace of shit.

When he drops, hell is going to explode!

All of these people are going to rue the day.

DO NOT fund that fucking wall under ANY circumstances.

What R51 said!

They can keep on tossing a few million a year at "the wall" for repairs to the old border barriers. The billions that Fat Fuck wants to actually build his stinking wall? No. Fuck him. Fuck his wall. And fuck his whole grifter family while we're at it.

[quote]peace of shit.

Oh, dear!

That's an empty promise. Congress could hand him everything he asks for on silver platter, and he would still allow this to continue.

[quote]He has the highest approval ratings among republicans of any republican president. His approval rating is going up among the entire population. Where are you getting the idea his base is shrinking? They are emboldened by his increasingly combative behavior. They think he’s “deal making.”

I hate that the GOP uses elephants as their symbol. I love elephants... noble and intelligent animal.

R37 and R43, you're living in a bubble that doesnt let you see reality. if Trump goes on live t.v. and wipes his ass with the 22nd amendment he will be cheered because he is white America's HERO. He can and will do whatever the fuck he wants so get ready for a 3rd and 4th term.

R58 knows the real deal.

Isn't it also a law that Presidential candidates have to reveal the income tax filings? And didn't Trump conveniently ignore that request?

R37 and R43 are truly ignorant naifs. Give Trump a copy of the Constitution and he'll wipe his ass with it, then shove it back in the faces of the R37's and R43's of the world.

The tax return reveal isn't a law, it's a custom or a "norm" if you will. Twitler eats norms for snacks after his bedtime cheeseburger.

We have to make it law, along with a few other things.

Hitler used to separate mothers from children during WWII.

Remember Sophie’s Choice.

Americans are such righteous trash.

Who is being paid to look after these kids?

At that Texas facility that has received so much attention they had social workers, doctors, nurses and trained, licensed personnel looking after the kids, it's required by law. In the tent camps Twitler is setting up there is no requirement that the kids be looked after by professionals of any kind. They can bring in prison guards to do it and they probably will.

R58 If Trump were to even try to pull some shit like a 3rd or 4th "term." America would probably more than likely see a repeat of November 22, 1963.

Don't tempt fate!

Thanks r64. I'm wondering if a state or federal agency is co ordinating all of this, or has it been contracted out to, for example, some Mercer company.

R46, I know it is not the issue, but Catholics are Christians. Christianism is composed of Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox. Now, I know that it doesn't change anything and that as White Anglo-Saxon Protestants they despise Brown Latin Catholics, but there.

Now for the real issue, I'm speechless and can't believe we live to see these days. Then again I was flabergasted last summer when I saw clanish people march with a torch in the open. Where does it stop ?

^ It's going to get worse as long as Trump is in power, much worse. It's not going to stop. His fuckery gets worse by the week.

[quote]If Trump were to even try to pull some shit like a 3rd or 4th "term." America would probably more than likely see a repeat of November 22, 1963.

Only without the worldwide mourning.

I'm guessing there are some pretty pissed off immigrant father's calibrating their scopes right now.

[quote]the number of people identifying as Republican has dropped by about 5 percentage points. His base is shrinking.

That's only because they don't want a brick through their window or their tires slashed.

I didn't know we hadn't started that yet. My bad.

It's not a law. It's a policy. He can change it any time he wants. We need to drag his fat ass over hot coals

The media really needs to be drilling that in - it's NOT a law, the Trump administration is CHOOSING this. And start calling Trump and his lackeys liars when they spew this shit. State it unequivocally - Mr. Trump, you are lying to the American people.

R74... I don't know why they don't do that. Call trump out on it.

There was some reporter at his last "lawn briefing lie extravaganza" who repeatedly asked "Why are you lying?" but of course he was ignored.

I know everyone here knows this quote, but it bears repeating.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

If Schumer votes for the wall, it’s time to replace him, too. #vothemallout

Stop fixating on the wall. Democrats have already volunteered to fund the damn wall to fix these situations. It's not the wall that's the issue. It's stupid and it's throwing away money but it won't cause much damage. It's the rest of what Trump wants that's the deal-breaker. And Trump, being who he is, won't accept a compromise. It's all or nothing and Democrats have made it clear that they will not go along.

What is the answer then? I hate to say this but if we make it too easy and comfortable for them, soon there will be millions coming here "seeking asylum". I don't like the idea of children being separated from their parents, but in reality, how many are really being separated from parents? As opposed to coming here alone in the first place, or being sent alone by family from their native countries? I can't seem to find any statistics on this, though I'm seeing that most of the kids have actually come here on their own? I would like to see more facts. And I'd like to hear ideas as to what a better solution would be.

He wants this issue, that's why he crafted a deal that no normal American would ever agree to, not even politicians.

He's an amateur. He wants this issue for himself but he's handed it to the Democrats and he's losing on it every day. Sure his hardcore base loves it but they can't win the mid-terms nor can they re-elect him by themselves. The Independents and conservative Democrats hate this shit.

R80 "How many are separated from their parents at this point?" Almost 2,000 that we know of.

[quote]What is the answer then?

You keep the families together while you process their applications. Most of them will be rejected and the entire family will be returned to their country of origin. This has been the process for a hell of a long time and there's no reason to change it. Actually, one change: fund it properly so that we can reduce that backlog and handle these cases in a matter of days or weeks rather than months or years.

Wtf? Didn’t hecampaign on Mexico building his big, beautiful wall?

Fucking evil bastard! This is what happens when sociopaths get real power.

As an fyi, according to MSNBC this past week, most of the children separated from their parents are from Central and South America, they are not from Mexico. Only a very small percentage are Mexicans. MSNBC also reported that about 200 or so of the young children/mothers are from Brazil and only speak Portuguese. And since there were no translators specifically for them (only Spanish-speaking translators were available) it resulted in a number of problems, mishaps and even a few tragedies.

To add: they were fleeing their country from rape, torture and violence, running for their lives and the safety of their children. They were not illegals sneaking into the country and breaking the law. There is no valid excuse for separating these children and parents. It is, essentially, kidnapping. This administration is run by a bunch of sadistic criminal thugs.

Oh, and r80, please don't pretend that you give a shit about this, given your other comments:

[quote]Also to flock to this thread will be all of the far left liberals to scream about how terrible and unethical this is, all the while defending the throngs of tent cities in California with crazies, criminals, and drug addicts living in them.

[quote]Did we get rid of the anchor baby policy yet?

[quote]Fuck off all of you pretending to give a shit about "the CHILLLLLLDRENNNNNN!!!!!" Far worse has been posted in regards to abused children, murdered children, etc. and you're all fine with it. But Trump enters the picture either directly or peripherally and suddenly OUTRAGE!!!!

[quote]What exactly should we do with all of these illegals streaming across the border? We cannot continue to allow hordes of people to come here, we have MILLIONS of illegals here already, not one more should be allowed in until we get the rest of the kerfuffle under control! Coming into a country illegally comes with GREAT RISKS, I don't want to hear that these parents had no clue what could happen once they got here. The real problem is that these people are used to decades of USA rolling out the red carpet for them. Now they are seeing that's not the case anymore.

[quote]Nah. They will up and leave the shitholes they created and will move elsewhere to start anew, until that place is then a shithole. THIS is why we have Trump in office.

[quote]"We, all of us, are being used by the cheap labor, open borders crowd of globalist/ 1% yet "liberals" have been brainwashed to think this is a moral issue when in fact when automation takes our jobs we will all be fighting to pick fruit."

[quote]This! Just look at the leaders and the $$$$$ behind the liberal agenda and you will easily see who is behind all of this.

[quote]I would like to know what percentage of these potential "tent city children" were actually ripped from their parents' arms vs those who were SENT HERE by their parents/families back home or came here completely on their own.

[quote]Perhaps you're all getting mad at the wrong people. For example, we give BILLIONS every year to Israel. No tent cities there! Imagine what that money could do here for all of these tent city children you all are crying about. Try channeling your outrage in the right direction for a change.

And far more.

R83.. Disgusting. trump has to add cruelty to the mix, just for this big fucking wall. He is evil to the core. This wall seems to be phallic, since he must have shortcomings in that area.

It's more than the wall, R87. He's trying to remake the entire U.S. immigration system.

I see I have a stalker. And an incompetent one at that, not all of those posts were mine.

I hope he dies. I hope he dies soon. I hope it’s painful and terrible. And he can take the rest of the White House staff and the Republicans with him.

Hear fucking hear R14. Americans are entirely too fucking comfy.

You are delusional if you think the Southern Baptists actually give a shit about this R30.

Where is Ivanka, the self-proclaimed champion for women and children?

It's a crime against humanity.

I wish we could drag his fat ass into the Hague for trial, R94.

As far as I can see the media is calling him a liar and several reporters have been holing up or publishing the directive from the DOJ implementing the policy. So people are finding out. Unless you watch Fox. But I have seen CNN and MSNBC go after him and so have NBC, CBS & ABC. The Washington Post is giving him no slack, and I think the AP wire is also kicking his ass. In fact I've heard the words "lie" or liar" more in the past two weeks than in the last 14 months.

Fucking mob boss.

Exactly, R97. People are saying he's a dictator, but this is pure thuggish mobster behavior. He's holding kids hostage until their Congress comes up with the money. Despicable piece of shit.

I hate to say this but I hope he will have a heart attack soon.

Brown children don’t matter to Trump’s base. They’re viewed as subhuman.

We'd give the scumbag the money, no problem. Nobody gives a fuck about 25 billion. It's the rest of his demands we're not giving in to - period.

So the three responses from the White House this weekend are:

Hell yeah we're doing this!

We're absolutely, positively not doing this!

The Democrats did it!

There's some fine unified messaging.

So according AP older kids are taking care of the babies ?? They are learning how to change diapers as they go along.

Ugh, Bernie Sanders and Donal Trump deserve to go to hell. Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions are monsters.

They are fleeing the Northern Triangle region, the most dangerous area of Central America, only to arrive here and unknowingly have their children taken away. For seeking asylum. Not for breaking the law and doing anything illegal, but for seeking asylum.

The article states that all women, children and LGBTQ people are unsafe in the Northern Triangle.

I don’t hate to say this: I hope he has a heart attack soon. He’s a yuuuge waste of space.

So why doesn't Trump send the well funded US military into the northern triangle and keep the peace?

He wants to place "President Donald J. Trump Homeland Security Wall" plaques every 50 yards.

But in the same Tweet Trump also is demanding significant changes in our immigration standards, basically to "merit-based," which demand ought not be overlooked in our outrage. Think about who would be assessing the "merit." I'm sure their job title would involve the initials "S. S."

R97, Which is exactly why Trump said, in that Tweet bemoaning Manafort's jailing, "Didn't know Manafort was the head of the Mob."

You can practically hear that he wanted to add, "Because I thought I was."

I wonder if Trump is doing this to test the waters for what he wants to do next. There is an erosion of civility happening and if this is allowed by the public and government, I’ll bet Trump ensures more acts like this will follow.

It's a real eye opener when one sees via their comments that so many of our fellow citizens are prime candidates for employment as concentration camp guards even when the internees are children.

Germany Nazis said they were Christians

At one point history will tell us that Stephen Miller, the creature with a dead soul, was behind this strategy.

This is by far the worst thing he's done and of course, his followers don't care because a) they're too dumb to follow what's actually happening and b) because they're racist pieces of shit. Man, the history books are going to have a field day with this prick.

Also sorry (not sorry), I watch CNN and when they catch this dirtbag in a lie, they go all out and it's glorious.

It already has been pinned on Miller and there is the implied homophobia to go with it. Maybe publicly mocking parenthood, "breeders" and "fraus" is not winning the gay community allies when a gay man is devising extortion schemes of separating parents and children to enable the orange menace.

[quote]when a gay man is devising extortion schemes of separating parents and children to enable the orange menace.

Who? Miller?

The reason these people want to come to the US is their native countries are shitholes, and the reason their countries are shitholes is partially because of the constant US policy of backing and supporting their right wing dictatorships that's been going on for the last 150 years.

I just read an article that stated Trump's family separation policy is dividing Republicans. But I lurk around their sites and that's not at all what I am seeing. First off, most of them are too stupid to even know what is going on and many seem to think that the parents dumped the kids off at the border and that's why they are separated. Others are claiming that the children being taken from the parent and housed in detention centers is fake news and that no such thing has occurred. WTF?

I sure hope that this is dividing Republicans (power is in numbers, divided we fall) but so far that is not what I am seeing and hearing. They are making up excuses for Trump, and as usual blaming the victims. These ignorant bastards are pretty hard-core evil and don't seem to be giving up on Trump nor are they the least bit concerned about these traumatized children and the grieving parents.

This policy will hurt Republicans in the midterms, those aligned close to Trump will be hurt more. Trump is trying to blame the Dems for this policy but it is Sessions and Trumps policy. Dems should do nothing and let it drag on to hurt the repugs.

I hope this costs him any support he has in the Hispanic community.

I know it's always a fool's errand to say this, but this could be the thing that separates him from his base.

For GOP women who didn't have issues with the pussy grabbing bullshit, perhaps this will be the last straw.

The handful of Republicans who are coming forward and expressing concerns and outrage are state leaders and assorted politicians because they feel pressured and obligated to do so. It also looks good for them and their image. They really don't give a shit about anyone but themselves and certainly not young children being held in cages not allowed to be where they belong with their mothers. The Repubs are blaming the Dems and are insisting these asylum-seekers, who did not break any laws, entered the country illegally. Unfortunately, Trumps' fucked up in the head brain damaged base is not abandoning him.

Yes R109! He'll see how much he can get away with, then his full fledged monster will come out, if allowed.

Hmmm...

R119 he got too damned much support from Latino voters in 2016, way more than he should have. Part of the problem is that so many Latinos have flocked to the Evangelicals. I was surprised to discover that. I was always assuming they were mostly Catholics. But the Evangelicals have a hold on them.

I think the divisions are coming from the religious community which is really divided on this one. A lot of evangelicals do mission volunteer work, and Central America and Mexico re where they do it. So they know the conditions these asylum seekers are fleeing.

I don't believe the Evangelicals care about his regressive immigration policies one way or another, but they draw the line at him fucking with asylum seekers and especially the cruelty of separating children. That's why asshole Sessions was rushing to quote the fucking bible last week. But it didn't help Trump's cause.

Worry not, Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy assured viewers this morning that these kids aren't being kept in cages. The authorities have merely "built walls out of chain-link fences" and placed kids inside them.

Trump tweeted his latest whines about “boarder security”.

Jesus, what a fat, ignorant moron. He doesn’t know the difference between border and boarder.

The issue has clearly got him nervous -- six tweets about it so far this morning.

MSNBC just reported that 2,342 children under the age of 16, many of them are under age 10 and as young as 2, were taken from their parents in just the past month, early May to early June for *legally* seeking asylum from violence in Central America.

Um, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for the wall??????

They should come up with a policy where if the family has more than two kids, they get to pick the one that stays with them. The rest will be taken away to detention camps and never seen again. The can call it Maria's choice or something like that. Just an idea.

You have to understand that while most Americans care about children and families (yes, including the "brown ones" as you all like to say), we are once again seeing headlines and politicians screaming for the rights of people who are NOT CITIZENS of this country! There are plenty of American children of all colors and races right here who are suffering, where are the headlines and politicians screaming for them?!

Republicans only care about unborn children. Once they're born, they're on their own. If their parents are poo,r they're fucked. Just part of God's plan.

[quote]I see I have a stalker. And an incompetent one at that, not all of those posts were mine.

*shrug* Take it up with Datalounge. Those posts all show up when you are placed on "ignore."

[quote]we are once again seeing headlines and politicians screaming for the rights of people who are NOT CITIZENS of this country!

So? We're supposed to not care about this physical abuse of children because they are "NOT CITIZENS?" That's ludicrous. And abhorrent. And, in this case, the abuse is deliberate, a policy implemented by the Trump administration. The outcry is intended to get them to reverse course.

[quoteThere are plenty of American children of all colors and races right here who are suffering, where are the headlines and politicians screaming for them?!

Classic logical fallacy, not to mention a lie. And with an exclamation point, to boot. This doesn't even warrant a response.

r131: "the "brown ones" as you all like to say"---You must be new here.

" Vice President George Bush today introduced his three Mexican-American grandchildren to President Reagan as "the little brown ones" as the two met briefly at a nearby airport."

Light-bulb moment:

Trump is putting these children into cages not because of a Wall stalemate; he's doing so to "get back at" the system of justice that put his pal Manafort behind bars, into, that is, a cage.

In his sick mind Trump is showing the world how much better and more bigly he can incarcerate innocent people (for he sees nothing wrong with Manafort's treason).

I wish I hadn't read your post while stoned r135.

You're reading too much into it, R135. Sessions has made it pretty clear what this policy is about: it's punishment and deterrent. "If you apply for asylum to the U.S., we'll take your children away, so you shouldn't apply for asylum to the U.S." It's not any more complicated than that.

That's Sessions, rationalizing, not psycho Trump.

Building a wall along the Mexican border is madness- I hope each and every person on this thread realizes this.

In addition and FYI, most illegal immigrant in the US flew in.

Trump and his wall and his supporters are as crazed as any group has ever been in American history.

Any yes- he is subjecting children to horror and holding them hostage for his brand of mad policy. He lied about Germany and crime today, he lied about the current immigration laws, fucked up as they are and he lied about the Democratic party, who he says created the current law that mandates separating children from their parents. Our nation and about 1/3 of our population (may 1/4) are mad as hatters and because of the breakdown in our democracy, they are in power.

The basic concept, it should be emphasized, was hatched in the sick mind of that reptilian sociopath Steven Miller. Sessions and Trump authorized the execution of the policy.

Even Trump lickspittle The Mooch (Anthony Scaramucci) is trying to warn dear leader that isn't going well:

"You can’t simultaneously argue that family separation isn’t happening, that it’s being used as a deterrent, that the Bible justifies it and that it’s @TheDemocrats fault. @POTUS is not being served well by his advisors on this issue."

Finance by white elephant or the kid gets it.

Just fund it. We're approaching this...

Democrats have already volunteered to fund the wall. Trump rejected the offer.

It's time for Ivanka's indictment. Let's see how Trump likes it when his child is taken from him.

Say "Cheese", Ivanka!

[quote]You have to understand that while most Americans care about children and families (yes, including the "brown ones" as you all like to say), we are once again seeing headlines and politicians screaming for the rights of people who are NOT CITIZENS of this country! There are plenty of American children of all colors and races right here who are suffering, where are the headlines and politicians screaming for them?!

...Annnd there he is. DL’s very own white nationalist piece of shit. I hear you guys prefer that term because Nazi is considered gauche in 2018. Who knew?

ANYWAY...why don't you people realize that by separating children from their families who are trying to give them a better life--yeah, I get it, it's cliche--you're essentially creating the very monsters that you're afraid of? Like...read actual, legitimate literature instead of alt-right biased propaganda, man.

We're DOOMED.

[quote]reptilian sociopath Steven Miller.

Speaking of reptilian sociopaths, who thinks this turd is gay? I mean...are you that hard up?

R44, Then r23 can GTFO of this thread, MORON. I wouldn't opine on Australian politics from a position of ignorance.

R59, I am very far from a naif, let alone ignorant (r43).

Indeed, it is you who once again reveals his own ignorance with your query about whether or not there is a law---a law!---requiring a Presidential candidate to release his or her tax returns! NO, fool, there is not.

As for you and r58 insisting on this 3rd and 4th term scenario crap: Do try to remember that HRC won, by millions, the popular vote. Do try to remember the numbers who participated in the Women's March. Remember Nixon.

Most of all, no. Not even a Mitch McConnell would accede to your fantasy.

Now go ahead; tell us how Trump will use the military to overthrow the Constitution. On TV.

Somebody described Stephen Miller on Twitter as a guy "who got into politics because his arms were too weak to strangle prostitutes."

[quote]Exactly, [R97]. People are saying he's a dictator, but this is pure thuggish mobster behavior. He's holding kids hostage until their Congress comes up with the money. Despicable piece of shit.

Ennh….this IS very dictatorish tho.

Lawrence had an insightful point last night, one that illuminated the psychology of Trump's locutions:

"I hate to see the children taken from their families."

Trump hates to SEE it, Lawrence noted, not that Trump hates to DO it.

As I posted earlier, same truth to his comment of "I hate the children being separated....." I'm sure he does.

Did anybody watch Cuomo dismantle Skellyanne last night? I bet Trump was NOT pleased. It was ALMOST embarrassing.

R143... That clip is far fetched, but this is trump's wet dream.

Stephen Miller was referred to as a psychopath by Michelle Goldberg today. Michelle pulls no punches.

Stephen Miller's eyes are dead.. no light, no soul.

One area the media failed during the campaign is not being alarmed by Miller and Bannon being a legitimate part of the campaign team. They helped normalize them instead of pointing out how horrible and extreme the people Trump was associating. Similarily, they were weak on pointing out how unqualified and/or extreme many of the cabinet picks were which gave the GOP more confidence in confirming people many of them probably knew were not right for the job.

My sister and I talk on the phone every morning. She just told me, my six year old niece and my four year old niece woke up in the middle of the night, crying because they were afraid someone was going to "take them away and put me in a cage, and they won't let you see me!" True story.

One thing for sure, if and when the time comes the Trump Party will have no problem supplying hundreds of thousands of fellow citizens to work as concentration camp guards.

That's sad, and terrible R159.

The Dems should have said at an early stage that trump had said that Mexico would play for the wall and that Dems would not support any funding for it under any circumstances whatever, that it was just off the table.. They have been far too accommodating, which has resulted in thiis sort of extortion. But the responsibility for this horrible situation is 100% trump. What a bastard.

Well, I agree with R162, about the Dems being too accommodating. I think there is a basic flaw in their strategy when it comes to dealing with members of Congress especially on immigration, but also on healthcare and on taxes and on a lot of other issues as well.

One thing I learned in high school debating. Don't let your opponent define the terms of debate. Right now, Trump has proclaimed that he has to have his wall funded and a lot of other immigration reforms instituted or he will not stop the new Zero Tolerance policy. He's issued an ultimatum, and left himself no exit. Stupid. and of course the Dems, wanting to resolve this are busy trying to figure out how to give him an exit so they can end the shit mess. They can break this bastard and make him and all the whores in Congress who suck his dick, look real bad if they head in a different direction.

First, stop worrying about whether he has a exit strategy to save face. He'll figure it out. He can blame Sessions and fire him! Second, insist that there will be no discussion of immigration reform or funding for a wall, until he uncouples the Zero Tolerance Policy from the discussion and ends the policy. Immediately. And do not back down. Be clear and firm and keep rolling those tapes. Because by allowing him to set the terms, he has tangled his Zero Tolerance Policy up with finding funds for his Wall. And even if they give in, the Dems are not recognizing that this is a lot of election year bullshit and he may still not agree to end his policy. He's done it before.

It's simple. He wants to discuss his Wall, release those kids to their parents and end the policy. Period. Keep the pressure on him. He will not back down. He will dig in. Of course while your handling the politics you are also in court to get him to stop. File a lawsuit or ask for an injunction while you continue to pressure him. There is no way to lose this. It's a gift to the Dems.

The GOP foolishly believed "illegal immigrants" was their winning strategy. And it could have been But then they went too far with this separation of children from parents. They own strategy backfired. So they're lying to get out of it. As long as the Dems have rescuing the children as their focus, they can turn this issue back on The GOP and break him. If Trump were smart he'd end the policy and remove it as an obstacle.

[quote] If you think of stopping the growth in the foreign-born population as the unifying goal — rather than strengthening national security or promoting law enforcement — then Trump’s immigration agenda hangs together more clearly. The steps taken or proposed by the administration, such as ending DACA and sharply curtailing refugee admissions, are likely to result in: some foreign-born people currently in the U.S. being forced to return to their home countries, including highly skilled tech workers; those who remain here having a harder time helping relatives come to the country; fewer refugees ever entering in the first place; and some immigrants who got citizenship having it revoked.

Mexico paid for it yet?

I love your comment R163! The Democrats are wussies...I don't understand it. The "when they go low, we go high"., isn't working. Why can't they get to trump and the GOP's level, since that's all they seem to understand. They're bullies that need a good ass kicking. I don't care about trump saving face. I hope he paints himself into such a corner (hurting the GOP big time), that he can't get out.

The Political Price of Cruelty

Stephen Miller thought separating migrant families would provoke Democrats and bolster Trump. The backlash will be painful for his boss and his party.

It's disheatening that 27 percent of people support the policy. There's a lot of mentally-damaged people out there.

Agree R168. They are garbage people.

The Democrats also need to shut down NOW their own talk about the internment of Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor!

FDR was and remains the literal savior of the American Middle Class. To even mention him in ANY context with Trump is WRONG-HEADED and simply adds to the Republican penchant for "Whataboutism." Fine details such as "But our families weren't separated" go unheard, unregistered.

Or at least, FGS, mention that Mexico nor Central America has attacked us.

To stop illegal immigration, set staggering fines or jail those who employ them. How could anyone object? It would also cause a lot of those GOP employers to call for an amnesty.

R164, "What's really behind" this policy?

Trump hates immigrants because, and as he has opined, many become Democrats. The wealthy 1% in California, e. g., cannot out-vote them.

R171, Oh? Well then, here's your $8 head of lettuce.

That’s what it will take for opinions on this issue to change, r173. Until then, it’s demonization.

I think there's a program for agricultural workers, r173. The problem of late is nobody want to be in it because of the instability surrounding immigration.

How about if the Dems just propose a law that simply says kids cannot be separated from their parents as those who enter illegally are being processed?

R58 I heartily agree with your statement about Miller and Bannon. I disagree that the cabinet picks were weak and unqualified. They were picked exactly because they were qualified to destroy their agencies, as Pruitt is doing with the EPA. That was a calculated decision made by hateful, devious minds. Right wing hate talk radio audiences are thrilled with those choices because they think they are sticking to liberals, people they despise more than despots and terrorists. We're in very sick times with the monster trump in the white house.

Oops, I meant R158 ^

Again, today Trump says: “if you don’t have a border, you don’t have a country.” That’s not actually true. It’s a false choice. Sounds right, making it a talking point. But it’s not right. Ask Canada.

I have a co-worker who was raised in a Republican family in the mountains of Colorado where they used guns for hunting, protection, and shooting errant bears. She is now an Independent (too embarrassed to say she's a Republican at heart), is smart, honest, nice, and a good co-worker. Her mother is a Trumpster and she hates it and they are at odds. The curious thing to me is that she carries illusions about Republicans that I fear will cause her to continue to vote Republican. She thinks Republicans are better at business, is against gun control, and possibly, as a Catholic, she's pro-life. Thus, I think many people will continue to vote Republican because of one or two issues they support that Democrats do not. These people, along with the debased base, will continue to keep too many Republicans in power. They close their eyes to evil trump's doings because they want lower taxes, guns, etc. Assholes.

I really do think Putin’s plan all along was to install an American president so repugnant that the Great American Citizenry would assassinate their own leader.

R181: I wish.

Trump just trashed “Political Correctness”, without explaining how it applies. I hate when they cite this, because it usually means, simply, being polite.

Is it political correctness to call Melania a First Lady instead of a call girl?

Why, after Trump claimed it was a democratic law, did I not see a dozen democrats at a news conference called by them to state unequivocally that this is not a law at all, that democrats would never pass such a law, that it is Trump administration policy, not law, and that Trump is lying for political purposes and using children as hostages?

I don't know. That's what infuriates me. Why can't they stand up to him?

... or why DON'T they stand up to him..

R168 & R169 - I copied & pasted my below post from another related thread that both of you may find interesting.

I firmly believe that the following, all combined, make up *at least half* of Trump's total base: sexual deviants, pedophiles, child abusers, child kidnappers, human traffickers, sexual assaulters / sexual harassers, rapists, wife beaters, perverts involved with child porn and mobsters and other members of the seedy underworld.

And I shudder to think that it is quite possible that the above, all combined, represents 27% of the population.

Trump just issued another attack on the news media, claiming the press is assisting criminal immigrants.

"They are helping these smugglers and these traffickers like nobody would believe," Trump said. "They know it. They know exactly what they're doing, and it should be stopped. Because what's going on is very unfair to the people of our country, and they violate the law."

He and Nielsen keep trying to turn things around and blame the press. We know he's said he'd like journalists to be jailed. Now he's claiming the press is assisting traffickers and smugglers, so the next step must be journalist camps.

"Political Correctness" is just another talking point to get Deplorables riled up, they HATE PC, they hate snowflakes, they hate liberals. Their is no train of thought, like what does PC have to do with kids being put in camps, it is Pavlovian, the deplorables salivate at any mention of these terms. They are no longer human, they are animals that have been zombified and unable to form any critical thought. Any human would be horrified at children taken from their parents and put in isolation.

These are dark times in the US. Never thought I would see this.

We will forever have video of the following g people being on the wrong side of history: Laura Ingraham, tucker Carlson, Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump, Mike Pence, John Kelly, However-the-fuck-you spell-what’s-her-face Nielsen , Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckerbee Sanders, Sean Hannity, the holes at Fox & Friends, Not-Judge Pirro, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and countless others.

And this guy claims to know how to make a deal. Hmm.

Hey Dump! Fail.

[quote]We will forever have video of the following g people being on the wrong side of history:

And few if any will pay a consequence for it. They'll just move on as if they never supported a sociopath for president. See also: supporters of Bush's Iraq invasion.

R193 Most of the people you mentioned in your post are one of the following, who (btw), all combined, make up *at least half* of Trump's total base: sexual predators/deviants, pedophiles, child abusers, child kidnappers, human traffickers, sexual assaulters and harassers, rapists, wife beaters, perverts involved with child porn and mobsters and other members of the seedy underworld.

Sociopathy is what they all have in common.

So for example, I don't think Laura Ingraham is a pedophile or sexual deviant but I do think she is a child abuser who psychologically abuses her own (adopted) children. And most female child abusers will stand by and do nothing when an innocent helpless child, including their own, is being molested. Same for Kellyanne and Sarah and Anne Coulter---child abusers.

More examples: I don't think sociopath Bill O'Reilly is a pedophile but I do think he's a wife beater and know for sure he's a sexual assaulter and sexual harasser. Most of the men you listed (including Sessions) are likely into child porn, creating or watching it. And, Guiliani has such close, lifelong ties to the mob and seedy underworld he may as well be a mobster. But, they're all sociopaths. That mental disorder, without conscience, is the commonality that binds them together.

[quote]These are dark times in the US. Never thought I would see this.

I think the mentality that's been brewing thanks to Social Media and the internet has brought this to pass. All sorts of bad behavior is now so easy, expressing selfish and hateful thoughts has never been freer than when the internet and then SM permitted it to be done to a large audience with no consequence.

Eventually it just bled over into the real world.

People go on racist rants in Starbucks, face to face. Presidential candidates say, without embarrassment, that the jury is still out on evolution, that an American judge can't be partial because he's of Mexican ancestry.

Bravo r163!

Not all trump supporters are scummy low lifes... but all scummy low lifes are trump supporters. I agree R198.

Rachel Maddow just broke down reporting the breaking news of babies being sent to "tender age shelters".

R202, I just saw that. Wow. How low can this administration go?

Congressman Elijah Cummings gave an impassioned speech to Congress today. At one point he referred to trump as President Clump. He immediately corrected himself.

It was an excellent speech but "Clump" gave me a giggle.

I work with someone who has adopted a child from Department of Children and Families (DCF) in CT. She is also on the list to take care of kids temporarily when they need a home. There are usually more kids then homes to place them. I can't imagine how this administration is able to find homes for 2,000 children.

I just watched Lawrence O'Donnell on location in Brownsville TX interviewing three child rights' advocates and attorneys and was informed that children as young as 3, 4, and 5 were forced to sit in front of a judge in a courtroom and have the immigration process explained to them. One of the advocates / attorneys that LO interviewed (under an outdoor tent on an rainy evening) said the little girls were sitting there with their sparkly little shoes and sundress, their feet dangling, not touching the floor, looking around the room, confused. Of course, no familiar adult with them and no legal representation. The judge felt that children, even that young, could understand enough to at least respond to his legal process questions. Fucking ridiculous. And outrageous.

I think that judge (whose name was not mentioned) is a sexual predator who was visually inspecting these little children, mostly little girls, who were brought from the detention/prison-like holding centers to his courtroom upon request, to determine which of his Republican predator friends' homes they would be sent to based upon their specific requests.

No adult, especially one with 7 years of college education, believes that a young child has the capability to understand what the judge is saying to them regarding the legal immigration process. They have no idea why they are in that courtroom being read legal information and asked questions they are not capable of answering.

I believe this pig was eyeballing them to determine which one he wanted for himself and to "fill orders" for his perverted buddies.

No way did this judge really think that any of these little children were capable of understanding him and responding accordingly. He wanted them brought there for his evil intentions. To visually check them out because he and his buddies have a sexual fetish for young children. And Trump is enabling this crime.

I do not have a Twitter account. Anyone here know how I can get this message to LO and Rachel anonymously? Anonymous is important. My guess is that they already suspect everything I wrote here, which is my opinion, not fact, and that I won't be telling them anything they don't know. But just in case. TIA.

Separating little kids from their parents is an atrocity.

But, we still need to figure out the immigration problem.

Plus, yeah the GOP and all the religious assholes don’t give a SHIT about kids (born or unborn—abortion is about control, not compassion) BUT I’d love to see the faces of some of these outraged people if a large immigration shelter open in their nabe.

[quote]How about if the Dems just propose a law that simply says kids cannot be separated from their parents as those who enter illegally are being processed?

They already have.

Here is what the deplorables are saying about this (not that anyone should be surprised)-->

^ Horrible. No humanity. I couldn't even finish reading the cruel, heartless comments. These adults have no heart or soul. Disgusting people. Psychopaths. It makes me shudder to think these subhumans live and work among us. And have access to children.

Baby hostage

It’s uncanny how Stephen King can see into the future.

[quote] Here is what the deplorables are saying about this (not that anyone should be surprised)-->

These people must literally smell.

[quote]I couldn't even finish reading the cruel, heartless comments. These adults have no heart or soul. Disgusting people. Psychopaths. It makes me shudder to think these subhumans live and work among us.

Absolutely encouraged by Trump's persona. He knows 'his' people, who have never felt more empowered. It's a symbiosis of human degradation.

I'd still rather know about this sordid energy encouraged by 'The President' than not. The sane have to know how deep the malignancy is.

Cite Godwin's Law if you will, but when people formerly asked of Germany in the 30s, 'How on earth could it happen?' I have little difficulty in understanding how. The energies now proudly on display in the US show how.

R5 Chuck Schumer has got to go. No backbone nor fight.

The fucking Democrats should be at a shelter en masse denouncing Trump law. No strategy or message from the Dems. Always on defense.

The Democrats will fold like a cheap suit before the end of the week and give Shitler $25 billion for the wall Mexico was supposed to pay for. All to appease the knuckle-dragging, cousin-fucking assholes who voted for him.

Donald Trump hates baby bears too.

Perfect timing for Trump. Maybe this crisis he has caused secured him an invite to the annual Bohemian Grove gathering coming up next month, which for decades he has always been excluded from. I wonder if it's really true that they sacrifice kidnapped children there as part of the festivities. Initiation involves acts of widespread abuse, destruction or violence and I think at this point he has satisfied the boys. I'm going to keep tabs on Trumpy during that time. If he's gone during that week I'll know he got accepted and is attending "the Grove." At least that will explain the unexplained and answer a lot of unanswered questions.

“Fund my wall and then the kids will be reunited with their parents”

I thought the USA policy was we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

Trump's Tweet as quoted in the OP says nothing about "and then the kids will be reunited with their parents."

To infer anything from the words of this liar is folly.

There is no plan nor method in place by which the Trump Administration can effect the reunion of THOUSANDS of babies, toddlers, and children with their parents.

Remember: psychological projection is the lingua franca of Trump and his cohorts.

And they have claimed they are concerned about child trafficking. Think about it.

[quote]These people must literally smell.

Well, one of the texts from the fired FBI guy said, “I can smell Trump supporters.”

Trump: "Pay for my wall or the bunny gets it."

R200.... I take that back... ALL trump supporters are scummy lowlifes. If at this point, with what trump has done, and you still support him... there's something really wrong with you. Hugely! Horrible, horrible people.

R213... Schumer, Pelose, Feinstein... Democrats like them are useless. We need people who aren't afraid to fight.. dirty, if have to.

R104 Your statement is ludicrous. Of course they are knowingly breaking the law and committing a felony.

If they merely want asylum for political reasons, they would enter the US at a border crossing. Their children would not be taken from them as they would not be committing a felony,

They are breaking the law. Our law passed by our representatives. There is no way around that.

I hope the Repugs pay dearly in the midterm elections for supporting Trump;.

correction... Pelosi...

It’s a misdemeanor r224. Do people have their children removed from them for jaywalking?

[quote]It's time for Ivanka's indictment. Let's see how Trump likes it when his child is taken from him.

Ivanka is not Donald J Trump so he would shrug and get back to Fox and Friends.

[quote]They are breaking the law. Our law passed by our representatives. There is no way around that.

The same could be said of Jews and other persecuted minorities in Nazi Germany — laws are not ipso facto just for the mere reason that they exist.

Homosexuals know that better than most people.

Or should.

So the rightwing talking point that THESE ARE LAWBREAKERS JUST LIKE AMERICAN BORN CRIMINALS is complete garbage. American lawbreakers who are jailed have generally done something to actively harm someone else — especially if jailed without parole.

R224, There seems no way around your obdurateness. The taking of children FROM THEIR PARENTS is new with Trump.

Trump is the Kidnapper-in-Chief.

Moreover, r229, adult convicted felons are the ones separated from their families and put behind bars; their children aren't.

Trump knows his Nazi language well: the children "look innocent; they're not so innocent"; "they're animals"; they "infest" our nation.

What do people---good people, decent people, people who love dogs and children---do with such creatures?

They exterminate them.

So frightening the fragility of the human brain. How seemingly good people, so called "good Christians", who seem to be decent in their own lives, can go along with a monster, going against what was morally taught to them... like in 1930s Germany. Yes, there are the true monsters out there, waiting for someone like trump. I guess, there are deeply ingrained "seeds" in these decent people, to be horrible. How can they abandon their sense or morals? I guess, it goes back to the fragility of the mind, in the way of brainwashing. Yet, not all people are that susceptible.

Michigan Department of Civil Rights reports that children as young as three months old have been separated from their parents at the border and sent to Michigan for "resettlement."

Steve Schmidt:

29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump.

R227 It is a felony.

I do not see how this compares to the Jews in the years before and during WW2,

Again, if the immigrants enter at a border crossing, the children are NOT removed from the parent/s. The parents are knowingly breaking the law and engaging in child endangerment by dragging them 1000 miles through the desert, sometimes even in the trunk of a coyote. It is an unspeakable danger to the child, so being removed from a parent with that sort of judgment is not really so tragic.

. There is no reason to separate children from their parents other than to use the children as hostages. Anyone who supported this policy is a piece of shit just like Trump and company.

Oh, yes, r235; Trump's policy is much better than keeping a family intact.

Bless both your hearts.

[quote]Again, if the immigrants enter at a border crossing, the children are NOT removed from the parent/s.

NPR: But there is evidence that even families who seek asylum at ports of entry are being separated. One high-profile case involves a Congolese woman who sought asylum and still was separated from her 7-year-old daughter.

Hers is not an isolated case, according to immigrant advocates.

"Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service has documented 53 incidents of family separation in the last nine months, mostly Central Americans. Other immigrant support groups say there are many more cases," Burnett reported.

Reporter Jean Guerrero of KPBS in San Diego reported on the case of a Salvadoran father, Jose Demar Fuentes, who says he sought asylum and was separated from his 1-year-old son, Mateo, despite having an original birth certificate proving that he is the boy's father.

We need to be demanding to inspect and monitor these holding places to make sure children are being cared for properly and not abused. "They are not innocent " is predatory language. And I'm worried about their health and care in general.

[quote]We need to be demanding to inspect and monitor these holding places to make sure children are being cared for properly and not abused.

Texas Tribune: Separated migrant children are headed toward shelters with a history of abuse and neglect

Taxpayers have paid more than $1.5 billion in the past four years to private companies operating immigrant youth shelters accused of serious lapses in care, including neglect and sexual and physical abuse, an investigation by Reveal and The Texas Tribune has found.

In nearly all cases, the federal government has continued to place migrant children with the companies even after serious allegations were raised and after state inspectors cited shelters with deficiencies, government and other records show.

Now this web of private facilities, cobbled together to support children with nowhere else to go, is beginning to hold a new population: the more than 2,000 children who arrived with their parents but were separated from them because of a Trump administration policy.

R237 So keeping families intact is the primary goal of law enforcement?

You might want to tell that to the thousands of black inmates in US prisons who have been separated from their families.

You are aware that when one commits a felony in the US they are separated from their family, yes? It is the adult's responsibility to make the choice to put him or herself in a position to have his/her children taken away.

[quote]You are aware that when one commits a felony in the US they are separated from their family, yes?

I'm aware that there's usually a grandparent or aunt or other relative who takes in the children left behind, they're not put in baby jails in the Texas desert.

R241, talk to me about any type of humanitarian/missionary work you’ve done, then I’ll take you seriously. You’ve NEVER spent time in third world countries knowing these people and their culture and what the realities of their lives are. To be blunt, you are HIGHLY ignorant. But if you’ve had experience in third world countries, then I’ll listen.

You're wrong, R235/R241. Improper entry (that's how it is named in the actual US Code) is a misdemeanor, not a felony. The punishment for improper entry is a fine of $50-250 and/or imprisonment of not more than 6 months. That is a misdemeanor. A felony is punishable by 1 year or more of imprisonment.

....

One solution would have been to negotiate with Mexico asylum processing centers on the Mexican side of the border. Such an arrangement would have kept migrants out of the country while they waited for their cases to be processed and it would have kept families together and cost of housing them less expensive

But impossible to contemplate now because Trump has destroyed any hope of diplomacy between the USA and Mexico. He fucks up everything.

This was planned in the early days of the administration.

[quote]So keeping families intact is the primary goal of law enforcement?

No, keeping families together is one of the primary goals of immigration services.

[quote]You might want to tell that to the thousands of black inmates in US prisons who have been separated from their families.

After they have had their day in court and been duly tried and convicted. These families have not.

[quote]You are aware that when one commits a felony in the US they are separated from their family

These aren't felonies, they're misdemeanors, and these families have not been tried and convicted. The policy is cruel and unnecessary.

[quote]It is a felony. ... Again, if the immigrants enter at a border crossing, the children are NOT removed from the parent/s.

You're wrong on both counts.

This pig makes me want to make ham salad out of him.

[quote]The Democrats will fold like a cheap suit before the end of the week...

Not a chance. Not just because this issue is working in their favor but also because Trump is insisting on a complete makeover of the country's immigration system. Democrats will not be on board with this.

The Post notices that this issue, and the backlash, has caused a veritable cascade of lies from Trump.

Now Trump is teasing he's going to sign something to stop this.

Some of those babies were still breastfeeding. No genuine Christain would support this. Jesus Christ is dead in the hearts of these people. You dance with the devil? Then you become one of his cohorts.

*Christian

An eight month old baby ended up here in Michigan in the middle of the night to a foster facility. Did anyone care what this child's medical history was? Any type of allergy ? any ailments? How can you best prepare to take care of these children

After Thursday’s “press conference”, Chuck Todd said Drunp swans feeling emboldened by his meetings at G7 and Singapore. He feels all powerful, and nothing will stop him.

Never fear, Trump is on the job:

[quote]Trump then distilled his personal dilemma about the border separations, predictably rooted in public perception rather than the suffering of the children involved.

[quote]“If you’re weak, if you’re weak, which some people would like you to be, if you’re really, really pathetically weak, the country is going to be overrun with millions of people,” he said. “And if you’re strong, then you don’t have any heart.”

[quote]He comforted his Republican peers by telling them that “they shouldn’t feel guilty” since immigration has been a difficult issue for “many, many years.”

And while Congressional Republicans are really being hit hard by this, they're so horribly afraid of Trump and his base that they're not calling him out. Very few of them are willing to admit that this is a Trump policy that he could end immediately.

[quote]Even if House Republicans’ congressional sprawling answer to family separations is passed Thursday — unlikely, given vocal Democratic opposition to it, and long odds in the Senate — Speaker Ryan had no answers for a reporter who asked what would happen to separated families in the months before it took full affect.

[quote]“Your legislation appropriates $7 billion for new family detention centers. But that’s going to take time to build. So what happens until those are built?” she asked. “Has the President guaranteed that if this bill passes, that he would put a pause on [family separations] until you can get your legislation implemented?”

[quote]“I would refer you to Kirstjen Nielsen, the [DHS] secretary, she’s talked to us about interim measures,” Ryan said, without explaining further.

[quote]And he rejected outright narrow legislation that would stop family separations and do nothing more — confirming that House Republicans would tie the fate of potentially hundreds or thousands more separated families to broader and more controversial legislation on DACA, the long-term DHS detention of families and more.

[quote]“We are trying to pass this legislation right now,” Ryan said, asserting later that it was “ridiculous” to accuse congressional Republicans of using family separations as leverage.

So this is still basically, "concede to our blackmail demands or the children get it."

Bill Kristol:

“...It’s awful that US government officials are being put in a position of doing this (terrorizing asylum-seeking children and their parents); and that are doing it; and then they have to rationalize doing it; all utterly unnecessarily, by the President.

...I asked why did this happen, even? There’s no genuine border surge. Why suddenly?

...For the sake of the President’s self-image, his public relations, as he sees it, We’re doing something that is genuinely inhumane and asking our government officials to do something that’s genuine inhumane.”

Stephanie Ruhle:

“Creating a ridiculous conflict out of nothing...”

Ok, this is somewhat twisted but bear with me. What if some parents take the risk of asking for asylum in hope that their children will be taken from them and raised in America. It may sound depraved but when your life is in danger why not hand your baby to someone who will care for it? Albeit in cages but with food and water, but happened before in times of desperation.

Think of how this would screw up trump's master plan. Instead of people afraid to ask for asylum and turning back as trump would like, they give their babies to the US and sacrifice themselves. Thousands more children could be handed over to the US before this is all over. What are trump's plans for these children? Do they even know how to return them to the parents once separated? Some have been detained for eight months already. Some, like the children who came without adults, will stay here once they are of age. Or perhaps they plan to raise them all then deport them when they reach 18. What a mess.

^ It's no secret that many of Trump's best friends are pedophiles, sexual abusers and sexual harassers and other assorted deranged psychopaths. The children are better off with their mother/father than handed over to psychopaths and predators because that is what will happen to some of them. I am sure some have already been trafficked and some given to Republican donors as repayment to be used by his pedophile friends for sex and child slave labor.

There is already a report of a border officer who sexually assaulted a 4 yr old girl soon after she was separated from her mother who was legally seeking asylum.

There will be more reports like that coming out because places that house unaccompanied minors are a pedophiles dream come true. Most of the reports will be censored and we will never hear of them, especially with the new internet rules and changes on the way.

Many of the people and children coming are illiterate. My sister teaches in a school that has an immersion program where students are taught in Spanish and slowly transitioned to English. Native English speakers also attend as the children become bilingual together.

She teaches an English only class but immigrants enroll their kids in it so they'll learn English faster. They enter class in first grade unable to speak English and unfamiliar with books. They have been raised as peasants who are unable to own land or learn to read in their native countries. They may know little about the US except that it's the land of opportunity and friends have come here and sent home money. Most do not commit crimes when they get here. A nephew is in law enforcement here in California, where there are plenty of illegals, and he said the commit only a fraction of the crime. They are staying under the radar while working hard at manual labor to feed their families.

Moreover, many of the children from illiterate families in my sister's school learn English and go on to lead productive lives. trump is a cruel, hateful liar and fool.

[quote]Trump reverses course, says he will put an end to family separations on southern border

[quote]He comforted his Republican peers by telling them that “they shouldn’t feel guilty”

The majority will have been baffled by this advice -the concept of 'guilt' being understood as only for the little people - but glad of course for any additional comfort.

They need not feel that thing they never felt anyway, that thing that's big in the fake news right now. MAGA!

I want to smash Chick Schumer in the face.

1) Get a fucking pair of bifocals and wear them all the time, or get multifocal contact lenses. ENOUGH with the schoolmarm reading glasses.

2) STAND THE FUCK UP.. You’re not that tall that you have to bend in front of every microphone.

He looks like a prissy grandma. How about you stand up straight like a man and and wear fucking bifocals all the time?

He's 67 R267. Can't you give an old guy a break? I wear "old lady" readers too. Some of us cannot tolerate bifocals.

[quote] R264: Many of the people and children coming are illiterate.

I heard that many don’t even speak Spanish. Instead, they speak one the Mayan-derived dialects that still survive in Central America. That was news to me.

^ The 200+ children escaping a dangerous, violent area of Brazil only speak Portuguese. The separated, frightened, traumatized children were crying and none of the Spanish translators where they were confined away from their family could communicate with them. They had no Portuguese translators available. Terrible. This whole crisis is heartbreaking.

Hey, Trolls! The fact of Trump's Executive Order just now DESTROYS your stupid argument that it was a LAW to separate children from parents.

No President can negate a law just by a say-so. A Presidential policy, yes.

R267, He doesn't need bifocals, if he's like me: Post-cataract surgery 20-20, but the end of myopia meant the need for reading glasses.

My solution is to wear regular frames, with the reading strength in the bifocal zone and clear glass on the top.

R241, You are of the worst: a seemingly intelligent person who is aggressively illogical, or perhaps simply disingenuous.

Any prison inmate, no matter the color, has had a trial with legal representation and a conviction by a jury of his peers (the common procedure). It is, therefore, the convicted who is incarcerated.

NOT HIS CHILDREN, YFM.

^ I agree R273.

Seemingly intelligent and aggressively illogical sounds a lot like the people I know who voted for Drumpf.

I was not aware that due process applied to illegal immigrants,

Then you’re a moron, r276

Don't believe in the U.S. Constitution, R276?

And now another horror. The latest is that they had drugged some of the kids, including the youngest of them. My guess is so that they don't remember being abused or raped. The thread topic is, "Children forcibly injected with drugs."

That explains why State Senators were not allowed into these detention centers where the children are confined.

And imo, the girls taken *in the middle of the night* (WTF?) and transported from TX to New York State has all the signs of human trafficking. Very Suspicious.

Getting worse by the hour.

Getting worse by the hour

As per the thread title, "Kids Will Be Reunited w/Families", no, not likely.

It was just announced that although the Trump Administration is ending this cruel practice it is unlikely that the babies and children will be reunited with their parents. Sex trafficking, pedophilia, child slave labor, etc. There's a lot of secrecy and no transparency. State Senators weren't even allowed into the detention centers.

Trump ended it because he got what he wanted. For one, kids have been trafficked and it is probably the largest child sex trafficking ring in the history of trafficking in this country. Why are the kids not being returned? Because he knows they'll talk. Not returning them amounts to kidnapping

He ended it because he got what he wanted, not because he softened up and decided to do the right thing or make things right. So all of these parents are grieving the loss of their child whom they will not be seeing again. They are suffering unimaginable pain. Nothing worse than the loss of a child. And most of them are still alive. Yet the parents can't have them back. What kind of shit is that?

Who the hell is he to keep these children away from the parents and not return them. And not be held accountable. That is what the focus should be now. Anything else means that he facilitated the kidnapping of over 2,000 babies/children. The focus needs to be on getting the kids out of the hands of the pedophiles they were sent to, and the ones still in the detention centers they are being held captive in, returned to their parents.

Where is the evidence that any of these children have been trafficked? And the "injections" of drugs, what drugs? Could they have been vaccinations? I want evidence.

We all want evidence and facts but the Trump administration doesn't believe in things like honesty, facts, transparency, accountability or decency.

"Vaccinations"?!?!?!

Well, I had hopes, but I never really thought I'd read the Stupidest Post in the World right here on little old DL.

R277 and R278 You are the morons.

Harisiades v Shaunghnessy Immigration proceedings are matters of administrative law, not criminal law, this no due process is required.

Again, it is obvious that most of you here have no idea what you are talking about.

THOUSANDS of children have been kidnapped and even flown across country...

FLOWN ACROSS COUNTRY... Literally Child-Trafficking...

filmed being walked by strangers in the dead of night in NYC into strangers' cars and then....WHERE????

WE DON'T KNOW.

To another plane, maybe to Thailand or a Caribbean island? To a roach-infested tenement?

WE DON'T KNOW.

And HHS ain't telling. But the official Trump word is that no, the current victims and their parents WILL NOT BE REUNITED.

Oh, am I "shouting"? YES, GODDAMN IT! There should be a non-stop media barrage calling this mass kidnapping what it is!

KIDNAPPING. BY PRESIDENTIAL DECREE.

Never forget the evilness of a Jeff Sessions, who could barely contain his laughter as he quoted the Bible to "justify" this massive crime.

Turning Scripture on its head is what Satanists do.

R2i5, Well, aren't you SPECIAL? Step back and observe: it's called "the forest."

That was to r285.

Talk your thorazine R288.

You mean "Take," r289.

And I suggest you stop taking your Soma and start paying attention.

For example, there will be a major March on D.C. this Saturday. You know why?

Read my words again at r286.

Trump has now not only aided and abetted the interference and overthrow of our electoral process by a foreign entity; he has decreed, and NOT rescinded, that THOUSANDS of children who themselves are not accused of any witting crime be KIDNAPPED and taken to places either unknown or, when known, closed to even our elected representatives.

Governors are refusing Trump their National Guards. Airlines are now refusing to aid and abet Trump's child trafficking. Reporters are emboldened. Even Michael Cohen (!) has spoken out against Trump's refusal to reunite the torn apart.

Trump's latest decree is far too little and way too late. His Party is doomed. His facade of MAGA has been unmasked to display his inherent evil. People will be more amenable to the revelations of the Mueller Report.

America and the world now see as through a glass darkly that the President of the United States is a terrorist.

lets not jump into conspiracy theories without knowing the actual facts. i don't believe any of those kids were drugged or sold to human traffickers.

There’s a lawsuit alleging they were drugged. I suspect they were.

Yeah. They were drugged and flown to New York, bought and paid for by Jeff Epstein.

Amirite?

I'd rather pedophiles rape these kids than white kids. The Bible says non-whites are property which implies you can use them for any purpose.

It’s well-known that institutional care givers drug patients who are giving them problems. Many of these children will be out of control with grief and anger, so it’s likely that a number of them have been drugged to numb them up or knock them out.

New TIME cover.

not all lawsuits are based on facts. most of you should know that, just because we hate trump does not mean we should blindly believe everything stated in the media. i am afraid we are turning into those paranoid rightwing conspiracy nuts. lets not assume.

Jesus, that's creepy, r296.

R293, And exactly why do you think these disappeared girls and infants are safe and sound?

R294, Is that your impression of a demented Jeff Sessions, or are you just happy to see us?

I don't doubt some kids are being drugged. Get a couple of hundred kids away from the safety of their parents arms and in a large cavernous room and there will be screaming. Perhaps it's just Benadryl but there will be something administered to shut them up and get them to sleep. Not condoning it, the whole thing is a travesty, just not doubting it.

That TIME cover is completely over the top. I thought they were going out of business? Far left rag that it is.

R290 is a hysterical nutjob, are you getting paid to post your propaganda drivel here?

Everyone needs to calm down, there is no evidence that children are being kidnapped, illegally drugged, or trafficked. This is all far left hysterics and if not careful it is going to backfire.

R300, wake the fuck up.

The 'Time' cover is indeed disturbingly creepy, and earned in full. It's a strong image to stay in the mind and rightly provoke more disgust.

It's been said in many DL threads that 'When they go low, we go high' is useless against psychopathic grifters who laugh at the moral high ground. If they even begin to know what it might be.

Trump is now increasingly called out as who he (incredibly) is: can be seen yet more clearly in his insane post-summit confidence. The 'Time' cover rightly contributes to this growing mood. Fighting fire with fire is vital.

I’m so glad our beautiful First Lady has gone down there to see for herself. Her caring and compassionate concern are heartfelt.

A whore reading stories to them in an incomprehensible Slovenian accent will be such a comfort for losing their parents.

God is there any story which the Data Lounge pedo accusing troll will not turn into a twisted tale about child trafficking?

Lady, I am sick and tired of having to read all your perverted fantasies, NO ONE who is normal and well adjusted sees pedophilia wherever they look. It is clear that you have experienced some sort of trauma, but for the love of god would you seek some professional help rather than continuously inflicting us with your fever dreams of kiddie diddling?

This whole situation on the border must be like Christmas morning for you.

[quote]“If you’re weak, if you’re weak, which some people would like you to be, if you’re really, really pathetically weak, the country is going to be overrun with millions of people,” he said. “And if you’re strong, then you don’t have any heart.”

Every syllable designed to manipulate the mouthbreathing hillbillies who are his base.

If they were safe and sound in the US with American families/foster homes there wouldn't be any secrecy surrounding this crime. Secrecy means that they obviously have something to hide. There would instead be transparency, as opposed to secrecy, if they had nothing to hide. There is NO reason for secrecy if one has nothing to hide.

Even state senators weren't allowed inside any of the prison-like detention centers where the children were being held captive until they could be transported to "the second location." Senators and Governors weren't even allowed to ask where the children were being sent to. WTF is that all about if they are supposedly being open and honest and have nothing evil to hide?

If Trump and his administration were truthful and on the up-and-up plans would be underway right now so that the children would be returned to their parents AND there would be no secrecy. He is evil hiding evil.

*** This was child kidnapping and trafficking on a mass scale.*** And one that is not likely to be reversed and corrected.

He reversed his decision because he got what he wanted; children trafficked---and the damage to them, satisfying his sadistic hateful base, is done. Mission accomplished for Trump.

Those who can't see that are either very naive or are as deranged as Trump and his predator friends and inner-circle of criminals.

I totally agree R286 & R290. Just ignore Ivanka OR put her on Ignore.

And to Ivanka upthread, there is no (singular) "pedo troll." There are many kind, concerned DLers, who are too sharp and aware to be fooled, who are posting the truth about what has really taken place. Not one "pedo troll" as you claim.

Ivanka and her partners-in-crime are all over these threads twisting the truth and downplaying the facts. Keep sanitizing and we'll keep F&Fing.

HINT: If they didn't have evil intentions and agendas the kids would be on their way to being reunited with their parents instead of being told they will never see their children again. Because it doesn't have to be that way.

Michael Cohen, Trumps' lifelong friend has even said so.

R300 They wouldn't have had to drug the children if they hadn't stolen them in the first place. Something to think about.

R310, where did you read that I approved stealing the children? I am totally against what trump is doing, hate his nasty guts. I just wouldn't be surprised if they didn't administer some drugs to quiet screaming children, it's just the sort of thing you'd expect from these monsters.

Have no idea what R302 is going on about. You don't think Steven Miller would approve drugging children if he could? Nothing is beneath that scum.

R300 I wasn't implying that you approved stealing the children. That's not what I said.

I was simply stating that they would not have needed to be drugged if they weren't stolen taken from their parents--kidnapped. Then there would have been no reason to drug them. Would there? That was my point.

R312, it was your closing remark, "something to think about" that led me to that conclusion.

Enough, you cunts. No one cares who was right.

R314, I have a nice jacket for you to wear.

does he need a gofundme?

R316, he probably should. If he wants to keep 20,000 people in detention camps (yet to be built) and keep over 2,000 kids in for-profit shelters (at a cost of @$200,000 per child), he’s going to need a massive amount of money.

R241, And yet you persist, as does evil in the hearts of men.

Even your insane hero Trump has now decreed that yes, indeed, it IS law enforcement's job to keep would-be migrant families together. Pbbbbt!

And FYI: Observable reality is proof enough of the kidnappings.

Finally, with the eternal hope that it sinks in, children---including nursing infants---are not incarcerated in the US though their parent be.

Until Trump.

R302, Did you mean r301?

Not only do they not speak English, many from the hills of central America don't even speak Spanish, they speak a dialect descended from Mayan.

R309 The most sadly delusional frau on Data Lounge.

You just keep believing that crap you wrote and kissing the dick of your hero Mia Farrow.

My god, build the wall and be done with it.

R309 Would you kindly spare us from your daily whacking off fantasies about kiddie trafficking. You are so transparent it is ridiculous.

You and Pete Townsend are both so concerned about "THE CHILDREN" right?

Why don't you and D A V I D A and the Mia loons get a room somewhere where you can masturbate to the images of Jeffrey Epstein, Woody Allen, and Prince Andrew all day long. We normal folks are fucking sick of you Pizza-Gaters.

Now Trump says that the Republicans should stop wasting time trying to pass an immigration bill. I guess the wall wasn’t that important after all.

Yeah, Trump just killed any chance of an immigration bill with his tweet below. Guess the matter has outlived his attention span.

"Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November. Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!"

Nation-wide protests, June 30.

I guess the participants will all be Mia Farrows and Pete Townshends (the correct spelling), right, r323? And let's not talk about the frisson your post gave your own sick self.

(BTW, "Pizzagate" was an attack on Democrats. At least keep your political Parties straight.)

R325: two days ago, Trump said something like “for some reason, we need 60 votes in the Senate. Someday someone should explain why...”

Yesterday, he identified the “filibuster” as the reason that 60 votes were needed, so it seemed that “someone” finally explained that to him.

Today, with this tweet, it seems to further support this interpretation that he only just now was told about how a bill becomes law and the necessity of compromise.

That is the whole problem with electing autocratic business people. They don't have a clue how to govern if they aren't dictators. Trump is special because he doesn't even know basic civics but as long as he's a bigot paying li-service to the Bible, the deplorables will stand by him.

R326 Lady, I know exactly what Pizza Gate is/was about.

You seem like the typical Pizza Gater to me,

[quote] R322: My god, build the wall and be done with it.

R322, the problems with the wall include the following:

The cost would be $21 billion. Or more.

The savings from NOT building the wall is better spent to reduce the national debt, or pay for infrastructure that we all use.

It’s too long. We have no experience building such a huge wall.

It would be ineffectual. People will go over, under, and through it. Besides, most undocs are people who fly here and overstay their visas.

We were promised that “Mexico will pay for the wall”. Obviously untrue. Especially after Trump groveled in his call to the Mexican leader. What a weak man. I wanted a President who doesn’t grovel.

Eminent Domain, rights of way, etc. Border property owners will fight against Eminent Domain claims.

Why don’t the Deplorables have a fund raiser for the unpopular and failing wall? Then, they could work in Mexico for a visa, and report back.

Dems should use what has happened to paint the repugs as the Nazi's they are.

Ring any bells?

It rhymes, r332!

[quote]the problems with the wall include the following:

Honestly, I'd still be fine with it, if that's what it took to get a clean DACA bill and a clean bill to block Trump's cruel policies. We'd allocate a few billion and then quietly stop funding it a year or two later once it became clear just how useless and expensive it is, just as we never finished Bush's wall.

But Trump has insisted on more than just the wall, holding out for a complete rewrite of our immigration system. And that's a non-starter for Democrats and most of the rest of us.

“If you like your child, you can keep it.”

If we just dropped a nuke in the Mexican desert, I think we’d stop immigration from Mexico immediately. Possibly all immigration.

R336 Only if you'd stand in the epicentre.

Trump is on TV now alleging that immigrants are criminals. He whines that “you don’t hear that”.

No matter what stats he sites, no matter the appearance of evidence, I know he’s a chronic liar and nothing he says should be taken seriously without corroborating evidence.

Trump on TV now, trotting out parents who lost their children to "illegal aliens" (no mention that these were criminal illegal aliens). Of course the parents must pay tribute to Trump and Pence for stopping all the 3-year-old future ms-13 gangsters from getting into the country.

He is talking about "permanent separation" to try and say what is happening to the kids is not so bad. He also not even pretending to make up stats

[quote]Trump is reciting statistics on how many crimes "aliens" commit. Rejects stats showing immigrant criminality is very low. "The answer is, it's not true...They're better people than our citizens? It's not true."

Combined with the tweet today about "phony sob stories" he is completely thumbing his nose at these detained kids.

R338: I turned that fucker off. Everything he cites is a lie!

R309 & R326 are not the same poster. Thank you r 326

You’re right, R336. Poisoning Texas and Florida with radioactive fallout is a small pice to pay for border security.

Oh for crap’s sake. The suggestion that we nuke the Mexican desert was meant as a joke. WTF is wrong with you people? It so far over the top, even for Trump, that this should be obvious. Criminey!

What exactly is too over-the-top for Trump?

[quote] He's 67 [R267]. Can't you give an old guy a break

I’m 62 and wear multifocal glasses and multifocal contacts. If Chuck Schumer can suffer through all that plastic surgery and hair transplants, he can adjust to multifocals. He looks like a fucking idiot. I hate Schumer and Pelosi, they are fucking useless. If they’d bothered to be effective in the first place, there wouldn’t be far left people like howling Bernie bros. Always trying to make a deal with the other side and it’s led to us losing all the time and looking weak. Being weak. It’s gotten us here with Donald Trump and his spoiled whore who can barely string a sentence together and wears a billboard on her back telling us she doesn’t care.

What happened to power brokers like Tip O’Neill? Hell, Daniel Moynihan was a fop and he had more power and influence than Schumer and Pelosi.

Trump can bitch all he wants about immigrant crime — he lost this one. He can’t save it with his usual antics. America finally found a voice and rose up against him and won. And you know what? I think we’re going to continue to win from now on. The chink in his armor was breached. He’s bleeding

I’m hoping that the Dems understand that appeasement of Trump will only serve to embolden him. He will take everything he can, and lie lie lie to get it.

I hope this does some permanent damage to him, but I would not say it is a guarantee. One thing that might help hurt him is his own inability to take a loss and all of the stuff he is doing basically implying the detention of children is not so bad [the tweet of phony sob stories, the parade of the "Angel" families, really saying no words of true compassion to the kids or showing any real emotion. He really is coming off like a cold sociopath in his lack of interest and dismissiveness of the children.

^ He's not coming off like a sociopath. He is one.

Callous disregard for others is the number # 1 trait. And he has all of the other nine traits too. He's a sociopath with narcissistic traits. Or a narcissist with sociopathic traits as well.

He should be behind bars. Not sitting in the Oval Office.

Someone is making big bucks with this ! Always follow the money . GREED os going to kill the GOP

[quote]You're wrong, [R235]/[R241]. Improper entry (that's how it is named in the actual US Code) is a misdemeanor, not a felony. The punishment for improper entry is a fine of $50-250 and/or imprisonment of not more than 6 months. That is a misdemeanor. A felony is punishable by 1 year or more of imprisonment.

Ahhh...I love it when know-it-alls really don’t. Yeah...I was floored when I found this out because I assumed it would carry a bigger penalty especially the way Dump goes on about border safety. I bet a lot of people don't realize that.

R352 That does not apply to an adult crossing into the states at a non point of entry with a minor child.

That is felony child endangerment. That is what I can't believe that almost none of you will acknowledge is a big issue, A parent or any relative dragging an infant on a 4 month trip through desert and back country IS endangering their child far more than most realize or understand.

Many people do not reach the desired end of the journey alive due to a host of reasons from bandito coyotes, death of thirst, wild animals and becoming so lost they expire from the elements.

And yet after exposing your child to those dangers, you freak out when you are told that your child is being put into protective custody??

Finally, the Dems are calling Trump a liar out loud.

I don’t think this is going away. There’s more news articles about parents having trouble finding their kids.

[quote]He really is coming off like a cold sociopath in his lack of interest and dismissiveness of the children.

Which line instantly made me think of Melania's coat message. That image will be iconic for this 'Presidency.' What a couple.

Need to remember also that proud sociopathy makes Trump feel at one with tough guys Putin and Kim. Makes the fat stupid old man feel virile and hard-core. While looking detestable.

Yes - he is really obsessed with "not being weak" even more so than usual. It is all about him needing to appear tough to the world which is why he can never back down from anything (that and at this point he might really believe he is never wrong).

He has no ability to lead, he’s a cruel, ignorant, pathological liar which no connection to the truth, he’s morally completely lost, his administration is a chaotic shambles ignorant of the law, international law with no understanding of their purpose. He will continue to bring himself down. He’s his own worst enemy, completely unfit for office - just as Hillary Clinton said.

He will be quarantined after the mid-terms and unlikely to survive Mueller’s investigation or his own trade wars. He will be flushed out of the WH like the turd that he is.

Trump’s new slogan: [italic] If you like your child, you can keep it! [/italic]

Trump to African Americans: [italic] What have you got to lose? It’s not like we’d take your children from you.” [/italic]

[quote]That is felony child endangerment. That is what I can't believe that almost none of you will acknowledge is a big issue

Must be frustrating for you that even a healthy share of deplorables aren't buying your bs.

R361, it’s not people aren’t buying it, I think it’s just too legalese. People DO already acknowledge that it is a “big issue”. I just think they get lost in the term “felony child endangerment”.

[quote]A parent or any relative dragging an infant on a 4 month trip through desert and back country IS endangering their child far more than most realize or understand.

Did it ever occur to you that they aren’t doing this frivolously? That what they are escaping from is even more dangerous?

No, of course not.

No, they're not getting lost in anything. They're putting themselves in the position of a mother and/or father whose child/ren are growing up in one of the most dangerous locales on Earth, and they're thinking, "I would do anything to protect my child, just like these parents are doing."

Trump is blaming the Democrats and conflicting laws and other people for this screw-upon his. Basically, he’s saying “Nobody knew that immigration was so hard.”

These kids are apparently being given hospital-style wrist bracelets with bar cards, to be better able for the US to keep track of them. That’s a half-measure. ICE should simply start tattooing the kids with their ID number. It’s worked elsewhere before.

Paule Krugman wrote an excellent column this week illustrating how trump created a crises where none existed to inflame his ignorant base.

There’s going to be children dying in those jails than more he’ll will break loose on der Trump.

^hell.

Re: R368, it wouldn't in that event be surprising if Melania again publicly put on her special coat.

[quote] As a former top Trump administration official recently told me, “Donald Trump is the meanest man I’ve ever met.”

From the Krugman article. Lol. Did we ever doubt it? Politics ain’t beanbag, and this quote is from a politician, so this is really saying something!

[quote] Someone is making big bucks with this

Apparently a Sikh family owns and operates some of these detention centers. I found out from Twitter, where other Sikhs outed and shamed them. But the Sikh owner family never responded.

[quote] As a former top Trump administration official recently told me, “Donald Trump is the meanest man I’ve ever met.”

Ugh, how can anyone call trump a man.

When does this Trump fucking nightmare end?

When we vote him out of office in 2020, R374, or if we finally find something that is so damaging that it seriously hurts Congressional Republicans, at which point they will finally grow a spine and stand up to him.

Until then, all we can do is continue to exhort our friends, colleagues, and neighbors to vote, volunteer for your local Democratic candidate, donate to those candidates, write your Senators or Representatives to let them know that Trump does not speak for you, and those other things that we can do in small ways to make things better.

We imported the Russian mob. This is the funniest part of all. Under communism a black market thrived in Russia. During the Gorbachev era, perestroika and glasnost sent tens of thousands of Russian Jews into this country, no questions asked.

How do we know they were all Jewish? How do we know there wasn’t a sort of Mariel boat lift being engineered by the KGB, giving criminals new identities and shipping them off to America? And of the people who actually were Jews, how do we know all of them were pure, good people and none were involved with the black market?

The migrants/refugees from Russia have been FAR more problematic than the poor slobs from Mexico and Central America. Do you see Mexican or Central American immigrants laundering money through mansions and skyscrapers? Do you see them buying up lobbying firms in DC? Do you see them meeting on luxury yachts with scheming murderers such as Erik Prince and with Saudi sheiks who fund worldwide terrorism?

If I were with the KGB and I saw that my country was heading for a crash, I’d do to my enemy what the Germans did to Russia in 1917. The Germans sent Vladimir Lenin into Russia to stir up national chaos. Perhaps people in the KGB like Vladimir Putin were playing the long game, sending the seeds of chaos and destruction into the US during the 1990s and early 2000s. Everyone in America was gloating over winning the Cold War and trembling in their boots over middle eastern terrorism. Great time to pack the US with criminals attached to Russia.

In the 1990s, seemingly in response to the Clinton election as President, we saw a huge uptick in Militia membership. They were afraid that Clinton would “come for their guns.” They were also against the Hillary-Care proposal. And were anti-tax, of course. Many Militias were composed of White Supremacists.

Then, on April 19, 1995, a pair of white supremacists blew-up the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City, OK. Never mind that there was a childcare facility there, well as non-governmental office space. As a result of this shameful. abomination, Militia membership dropped.

It’s not gone for good, though. The 2014 Bundy standoff was an armed confrontation between supporters of (millionaire) cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement, representing the people. It followed a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally-owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada, as had long-been policy for everyone who did so.

We shouldn’t need another home-grown terrorist attack to make it crystal clear to all that Trump ”is temperamentally unsuited for the office of President”, a euphemism for “batshit crazy”, because we can see that with own eyes And let’s not give him credit for “fixing things” when such things were actuallted problems of his own invention.

So, if anyone ever asks how Fascism came to American, we can point to the Fox and Trump cult, and the hatred and anger they create and spread. It’s been said: when Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

This article says 83% of detained children entered the US without a parent. Is that true? If not, I’d like information disputing the assertion that I can throw in the face of a Trumptard.

R378, according to Kirstjen Nielsen? The same woman who insisted that family separation is not a policy but a LAW? The same woman who gave a press conference about the child detention situation and LIED? You still need more facts?

[quote]This article says 83% of detained children entered the US without a parent. Is that true?

No. Since Trump enacted this policy in May, over 2000 children have been separated from over 2000 parents. You do the math.

I think the GOP thought they were meant to be president for life. After Nixon/Ford there was Jimmy Carter and the GOP used treasonous tactics then by allowing Iranians into the embassy to hold hostages and by making a deal with Iran to keep those hostages until Reagan was president. The same fucking thing Nixon did in 1968. Sabotaged talks and dangled a carrot in front of the enemy in order to hold off negotiations. Both Nixon and Reagan went behind the back of the elected US government to cause their domestic political opponents to lose elections.

I think the GOP was SHOCKED that Clinton was going to win. They thought they had the presidency forever. They despised him for overcoming their dirty tricksterism. They went after him. They managed 5brough a 4 year investigation to disclose a consensual affair he had with an adult woman. During his 8 years, the GOP funded and trained militias in the US, just as they had done in Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador.

When Karl Rove came along the same playbook was used, but he added destroying labor unions and giving fullthroated propaganda to the Jewish lobby that democrats were anti-Israel. Buying up more media was another coup, which gave them three groups republicans always hated - labor, liberal US Jews (Nixon’s pet hatred) and media.

When obama came along they couldn’t attack him in public the way they did Clinton for fear of being labeled racist. So they went onto the internet with anonymous message boards like Free Republic and Stormfront. They petted and promoted Alex Jones. They found someone who could get away with making outright racist remarks about obama and get away with it — Donald Trump. They knew Trump would never win in 2000 - 2012, but they saw a big uptick in attention to Trump and support from right wingers and conspiracy nuts. At first they weren’t sure if they should go with Trump but when he was going to win, they went all in. And Trump brought his crop of pals who were indebted to Russian, Turkish and middle eastern money.

The money has to be taken out of politics, once and for all.

[quote]Trump calls for deporting migrants 'immediately' without a trial

It's unconstitutional R382 and he took an oath to abide by the Constitution. For that reason alone he could be kicked out. To use his own words "You're Fired!"

That story contains one of the worst offenses of the media, R382, the unwillingness to confront Trump. What Trump is doing is advocating for illegal and unconstitutional behavior. But rather than just say that, they chose instead to have someone else say that:

[quote]Immigration advocates pushed back on the comments. “What President Trump has suggested here is both illegal and unconstitutional. Any official who has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution and laws should disavow it unequivocally,” said Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

By doing so, they can pretend to be "fair & balanced" instead of just calling out Trump for his bigotry and stupidity. Stop doing that, "one side says this; the other says that" bullshit and just tell us the truth!

I agree r218 The country must not negotiate with terrorists.

R384 Pathological liars don't tell the truth.

Any lawmakers spoke out about his not upholding the constitution yet?

^ Good question. I know I'll be following that this week.

They wouldn’t have a problem reuniting parents with children if they were tattooed on the forearm with a number.