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No group is immune: Orthodox Jewish Family Speaks Out about Opioid Abuse

“Rabbi Zvi Gluck, founder of the New York-based Amudim, an international crisis intervention organization that serves the Orthodox population, said there have been 277 confirmed deaths of Orthodox Jews under age 35 due to opioid overdoses in the region. He believes there are more that have not been acknowledged. His group alone, since its founding in 2014, has served over 4,000 clients.”

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by Anonymousreply 47April 30, 2018 5:43 PM

Why do all Orthodox Jewish women have the same hair style? New York is full of Jewish women with that brown bob.

by Anonymousreply 1April 23, 2018 11:49 PM

Because they are wearing wigs!

by Anonymousreply 2April 23, 2018 11:53 PM

What ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 3April 23, 2018 11:56 PM

R1, because they have to shave their slutty tempting-men-to-sin HAIR when they marry. They cover their bald heads with wigs.

Which is illogical. It’s like vegans wearing fake fur or vegetarians eating tofu dogs. If the real thing is bad, why is a facsimile okay?

by Anonymousreply 4April 23, 2018 11:57 PM

Not true they "have to shave their...... hair" Ridiculous analogies you try to provide too.

by Anonymousreply 5April 24, 2018 12:01 AM

The correct word is Sheitel.

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by Anonymousreply 6April 24, 2018 12:05 AM

Wigs are not Orthodox married ladies' only choice. Some where a scarf, hats, or a snood. It all primarily depends on one's rabbi. Many Orthodox rabbis think the longer sheitels are actually not "Tznius", or modest. It really runs the gamut; then you have Orthodox (moderns) like Ivanka who never cover their heads.

by Anonymousreply 7April 24, 2018 12:15 AM

How would a wig be modest but their real hair isn't? Makes no sense.

by Anonymousreply 8April 24, 2018 12:52 AM

It doesn't have to make sense to you R8, as you are not an Orthodox married woman I presume.

by Anonymousreply 9April 24, 2018 1:05 AM

How would YOU know, r9?

by Anonymousreply 10April 24, 2018 1:08 AM

R8 I highly doubt we have Orthodox straight married females posting here. Homosexuality is not supported in their tradition or their community. The mere idea of going on this forum is not in keeping with the idea of Tznius, or Tzniot. Modesty involves much more than clothes or hair. It is very concerned with how things appear to the rest of the Orthodox community. If you WERE Jewish, and Orthodox you would understand that. You also would be familiar with The Shulchan Aruch, and therefore have no reason for your post. (that is how I know)

by Anonymousreply 11April 24, 2018 4:21 AM

Another day, another DL shit on the Jews thread.

by Anonymousreply 12April 24, 2018 4:24 AM

R9 that is how you ASSume.

by Anonymousreply 13April 24, 2018 6:36 AM

A Jewish friend explained that Orthodox women wear wigs because if they covered their heads with scarves, people might confuse them for muslims.

by Anonymousreply 14April 24, 2018 6:42 AM

Why is "Jews can get addicted to heroin, too" some kind of revelation?

by Anonymousreply 15April 24, 2018 10:39 AM

R15 because “God’s chosen ones” are supposedly superior to the rest of us.

by Anonymousreply 16April 24, 2018 10:48 AM

Ivanka is NOT an Orthodox Jew. She's a converted-for-convenience-sake fake Jewess, who converted solely to get at Jared Kushner's family money. Nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 17April 24, 2018 10:53 AM

[quote] I highly doubt we have Orthodox straight married females posting here. Homosexuality is not supported in their tradition or their community.

Which is all the more reason to expect we DO have Orthodox straight married females posting here. As in all religions, most of the follower's professed beliefs in public, and what they do in private, are two very different things.

by Anonymousreply 18April 24, 2018 11:00 AM

[quote] How would a wig be modest but their real hair isn't? Makes no sense.

It's just one more sick religious rule devised by males to keep females as subservient and docile as possible. The Orthodox Jewish religion is just one rung higher on the ladder of weird faiths above radical Islam.

by Anonymousreply 19April 24, 2018 11:03 AM

R15 I think you purposefully misrepresent the point of the article. What is somewhat eye-opening, though to your point not terribly shocking as addiction is an equal opportunity affliction, is that the traditionally very devout and temple-going Orthodox community is also experiencing opiate addictions and deaths. It is unsurprising that Jewish people writ large are affected by the opiate epidemic. It is somewhat surprising though that the Orthodox community specifically is similarly affected.

by Anonymousreply 20April 24, 2018 11:15 AM

R8 It’s another version of a headscarf that Muslim women wear. There are a lot of similarities between the 2 religions since they are from the same area of the world.

by Anonymousreply 21April 24, 2018 12:14 PM

Those two in OP’s photo are fat. They really should promote Anti-Obesity instead.

Of course, then they’d have to be an example and lose weight...

Fat chance.

by Anonymousreply 22April 24, 2018 12:21 PM

All women must cover up for modesty.

by Anonymousreply 23April 24, 2018 12:32 PM

R18/R13/R10 If younare Orthodox just day so... Enough with the fey games. If you are you certainly are either a new convert, BT, or a Modern like Ivanka, otherwise you would understand why some wear sheitels. That is why I don't take you for a Jew, let alone Orthodox.

by Anonymousreply 24April 24, 2018 12:40 PM

Many Amish communities are experiencing the same outbreaks. It looks like the the pattern is the same. Isolated communities who assume they are immune to the ills of society. They are equipped to recognize drug abuse in their children nor are they equipped to deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 25April 24, 2018 1:37 PM

Interestingly, DLers go on and on about how women having to wear a covering in orthodox Islam is just sexist, evil, etc.

Now that we see orthodox Judaism requires basically the same thing, there's just a smattering of naysayers. No countries are passing laws to stop it. No one is treating these women differently.

by Anonymousreply 26April 24, 2018 1:55 PM

R26 Stop conflating things in an hysterical manner. No one the world over objects to scarves or hats. or wigs for that matter. Most Catholic woman once covered their heads for mass up until some point in the sixties too. What western societies do object to are Burkas.... Whole body hot constrictive coverings from head to foot. A niqab, or even a chador do not bother many in the west. Other than the Burka, I think we all are putt off by the Abayas Niqab, where there is only a small slit for the woman's eyes. These have absolutely nothing in common with Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jewish women could wear a bandana and get away with it. The false analogy you are desperate to create does not work. Is this some subtle troll-like way to equate Judaism with Islam?

by Anonymousreply 27April 24, 2018 2:14 PM

R17 We may not like Ivanka, but her status was settled by numerous rabbis who know more than you. Ivanka converted under an Orthodox rabbi, and her conversion is recognised by the rabbinate in Israel. She keeps Kosher, keeps the Sabbath, and follows all the rules and restrictions applicable to their Modern Orthodox sect. Therefore Jewish. As Jews, we make no distinction between converts and born Jews. If we do not, whatever gives you the authority to claim she is NOT a Jew?

by Anonymousreply 28April 24, 2018 2:26 PM

She is not a Jew because SHE DOES NOT HAVE JEWISH BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH HER VEINS. She's just a Jew in name only. She's a "pretend Jew", nothing more. Just like all converts. If she had married a rich Jehovah's Witness or a rich Mormon she'd be a pretend JW or LDS now. The bitch converted because that's the only way she could marry that little puke, and certainly not because she believed any of the Jewish teachings.

by Anonymousreply 29April 24, 2018 3:04 PM

In college, I asked one of the Orthodox fellows what was with their women and hair and he said they did in Europe to put off the landowner from droit de seignuer.

by Anonymousreply 30April 24, 2018 3:56 PM

Ivanka's children will be Jewish by birth.

by Anonymousreply 31April 24, 2018 10:59 PM

R24 I suggest that you invest in a thesaurus and look up the word anonymous.

by Anonymousreply 32April 25, 2018 12:22 AM

R29 You sound hostile and ignorant, not a winning combo might I add! I suppose you don't consider children adopted and raised Jewish as "real" Jews either. I could respect an intellectual argument suggesting Modern Orthodox are not really quite "ORTHODOX " but to claim she isn't Jewish by virtue of a bloodline is quite silly. She will never be of Hebrew or Sephardic, or Ashkenazi descent, but she is Jewish nonetheless. You would be very disappointed to learn most "Jewish" mothers from European Jewish families have at least 60% Southern Italian Mitochondrial DNA. That's quite a lot of admixture to be basing status of Jewishness on a bloodline.

by Anonymousreply 33April 25, 2018 12:27 AM

R1, did you seriously not know they wear wigs?

by Anonymousreply 34April 25, 2018 12:29 AM

[quote]Another day, another DL shit on the Jews thread.

Wow are you thin-skinned.

Considering all of the posts prior to yours were incredibly mild, WTF are you even talking about? God, you're so self-centered when you know damned well there are threads where vicious things are being said about black people, Asians and Muslims. You probably participate in those.

Joy Reid is currently being referred to as a "gorilla" and worse is being said about black people in general, and you're whining because people are talking about WIGS?

by Anonymousreply 35April 25, 2018 12:45 AM

r15- I'm assuming it's opioid based painkillers.

by Anonymousreply 36April 25, 2018 12:50 AM

Used to meet Orthodox men on the fringes of Prospect Park at Grand Army Plaza for a little frolic in the bushes.

by Anonymousreply 37April 25, 2018 12:52 AM

Oy, what is wrong with you young people? Illegal drugs...

Why not go for a lovely walk and do some window-shopping? A little gelato, maybe?

by Anonymousreply 38April 25, 2018 12:58 AM

[quote] Ivanka's children will be Jewish by birth.

Yes, unfortunately for them they have their putrid father's Jewish blood in their veins. I'm still shocked the bitch was willing to carry them herself rather than hire a surrogate implanted with her egg fertilized by Jared's fetid spunk.

by Anonymousreply 39April 25, 2018 2:11 AM

Ivanka. Her kids won’t be considered “real” Jews anyway, because Jewishness is bestowed by the mother. And she’s not a “real” Jew. All the rabbis can pronounce her one, but socially, culturally she’s not. And never will be.

They might be heroin addicts one day, though. (Not that I wish that on innocent — for now — kids)

by Anonymousreply 40April 25, 2018 2:34 AM

R35 - don't forget OP started a thread about opiate addiction in the Orthodox Jewish community. What does the thread become about? Wigs. Like R1 couldn't have googled the subject.

R36 - the first story in the link is about a someone becoming addicted to heroin.

R15 - Did you read the link? You seem to have missed the point.

by Anonymousreply 41April 25, 2018 9:21 PM

Are their opioids kosher?

by Anonymousreply 42April 25, 2018 10:32 PM

[quote] Many Orthodox rabbis think the longer sheitels are actually not "Tznius", or modest. It really runs the gamut; then you have Orthodox (moderns) like Ivanka who never cover their heads.

ivanka and jared are NOT orthodox. I know they say they are, but they're lying about it. The only thing they do is keep a Kosher kitchen and observe the Sabbath. That's not even close to being Orthodox

by Anonymousreply 43April 30, 2018 4:02 AM

WTF? The women have to shave their heads, and the men grow their hair to wear those stupid-looking, curly sideburns? Give me a fucking break. Fucked up religion. And they mutilate too.

by Anonymousreply 44April 30, 2018 7:27 AM

R44 - Religion poisons everything

by Anonymousreply 45April 30, 2018 7:40 AM

R43 -Orthodox practices are full of work arounds - maybe the Trumps are just better at it than you? Eruv anyone?

by Anonymousreply 46April 30, 2018 4:53 PM

There used to be a video store on the corner of 17th St. and 8th Ave. in NYC there was a Hasidim who would loiter in the Gay porn section.

by Anonymousreply 47April 30, 2018 5:43 PM
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