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Toronto : 8 -10 pedestrians run down by white van in North York.

Near Yonge and Finch.

The driver is in custody

developing

by Anonymousreply 255April 28, 2018 7:17 AM

Link to CBC

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by Anonymousreply 1April 23, 2018 6:24 PM

Let me guess, it was those darn Presbyterians again.

by Anonymousreply 2April 23, 2018 6:26 PM

We don't bother to run over dark and often Muslim people with vans, R2. Instead we, and our buddies in Israel, drop bombs on them, sometimes from the comfort of a chair in Nevada, and cover them in white phosphorus until their skin melts to the bone.

We, or our "allies" kill hundreds of civilians a week, not all of them Muslim, in Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and are about to end our treaty with Iran.

All killing is morally wrong, but we are the ones killing millions.

I hope that the people hurt today in Toronto and around the world recover well and speedily.

by Anonymousreply 3April 23, 2018 6:31 PM

“He started going down on the sidewalk and crumbling down people one by one,” Shaker told CTV News Channel on Monday afternoon.

Shaker said he saw the vehicle strike someone with a stroller.

“He just destroyed so many people’s lives,” he said. “Every single thing that got in his way.”

by Anonymousreply 4April 23, 2018 6:34 PM

Yep. Sounds like Presbyterians again.

by Anonymousreply 5April 23, 2018 6:36 PM

Hoping it's an accident and not terrorism. It's a gorgeous day in northern NY and probably southern Ontario, after a cold grey winter. So I'm sure the sidewalks were jammed with pedestrians.

by Anonymousreply 6April 23, 2018 6:36 PM

Paleswine is a Nazi cult of land-robbing hicks. R3, you are a bigot for supporting them. Killing anti-gay anti-Jewish bigots is morally superior to killing gays and Jews and always will be.

by Anonymousreply 7April 23, 2018 6:38 PM

My husband works at North York Centre right where the police finally caught up with the guy. He ran people down for about eight city blocks....doesn't sound like an accident. My husband says there's at least two dead bodies right outside Mel Lastman Square.

by Anonymousreply 8April 23, 2018 6:40 PM

According to CTV the driver of the van got out of the car with a gun but tackled by police before he could open fire.

by Anonymousreply 9April 23, 2018 6:43 PM

R9 From twitter

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by Anonymousreply 10April 23, 2018 6:44 PM

Place your bets now. What costume will Justin wear when he goes before the camera weeping as he declares this is not terror related. Extra points for guessing the pattern of his socks.

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by Anonymousreply 11April 23, 2018 6:46 PM

Well, R3, that is indeed correct, but then again if this is a terrorist attack, he shouldn't be attacking Canadians should he? Canada has opened its arms to refugees from Syria and other Muslim nations and isn't dropping bombs on Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iraq now is it? Also, Canada has nothing to do with the ending the treaty with Iran. So, go ahead and justify attacks on American soil, but really, Canada should be left alone by Muslim extremists.

by Anonymousreply 12April 23, 2018 6:47 PM

W&W, r11.

by Anonymousreply 13April 23, 2018 6:47 PM

Yes r8. And one report says there is a cluster of 5 bodies at one collision point on the way to Sheppard.

by Anonymousreply 14April 23, 2018 6:50 PM

R11 & R13 -this is a tragic situation and I find neither of you very funny. You are both fucking losers.

by Anonymousreply 15April 23, 2018 6:51 PM

R12 is proof the fence is going on the wrong side of the border.

by Anonymousreply 16April 23, 2018 6:51 PM

Shut up R12, you racist goy piece of shit. You're basically saying Americans deserve terrorism.

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by Anonymousreply 17April 23, 2018 6:52 PM

R12 if you love the camel fucker countries so much, MOVE THERE and see how much they love your treasonous gay ass.

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by Anonymousreply 18April 23, 2018 6:53 PM

No, I'm not, R17. I'm arguing that Canada doesn't deserve terrorism based on our foreign policy in response to what R3 wrote.

by Anonymousreply 19April 23, 2018 6:54 PM

Notice how Hitler didn't kill Muslims.

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by Anonymousreply 20April 23, 2018 6:54 PM

There is a troll in this thread R16 & R17 are the same person.

by Anonymousreply 21April 23, 2018 6:56 PM

Nope, the troll is the racist Nazi lover at R12.

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by Anonymousreply 22April 23, 2018 6:57 PM

Well, wow, yeah.

Some crazy on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 23April 23, 2018 7:01 PM

Here's a glimpse of the suspect:

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by Anonymousreply 24April 23, 2018 7:04 PM

Note the front end.

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by Anonymousreply 25April 23, 2018 7:07 PM

I see M/A is back.

by Anonymousreply 26April 23, 2018 7:09 PM

If is a colored guy the Right-Wing in Canada will yell Terrorism and demand a lockdown on immigration.

If it is a white guy the Right-Wing in Canada will yell that he is suffering from a mental illness

by Anonymousreply 27April 23, 2018 7:13 PM

The driver of the van has an Arabic accent and pointed a gun at police....lets do the math people.

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by Anonymousreply 28April 23, 2018 7:17 PM

R12, Canada sent troops to Afghanistan, which is why it is a target.

by Anonymousreply 29April 23, 2018 7:18 PM

well the right-wing will start attacking Trudeau for being light and easy on immigration

by Anonymousreply 30April 23, 2018 7:19 PM

I don’t think so, r30.

by Anonymousreply 31April 23, 2018 7:20 PM

There is no end to the crazy acts by crazy people who will justify their insanity with whatever means available. This is an act of insanity, first and foremost. If he's a terrorist, they will say so. I do not find the Canadians to be blind to this nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 32April 23, 2018 7:21 PM

We need common sense van control.

by Anonymousreply 33April 23, 2018 7:26 PM

No, R33, just common sense.

by Anonymousreply 34April 23, 2018 7:28 PM

[quote] I don’t think so

You must have your head in the sand with groups like Rebel Media & Proud Boys circling the drain

by Anonymousreply 35April 23, 2018 7:32 PM

There were three terror attacks in Canada when Harper was PM.

No one takes extremists seriously.

by Anonymousreply 36April 23, 2018 7:33 PM

They do, R36, but they aren't as afraid of everything as we are.

by Anonymousreply 37April 23, 2018 7:35 PM

I meant Rebel Media and Proud Boys (who have such a strong presence, I’ve never heard of them).

by Anonymousreply 38April 23, 2018 7:37 PM

Late breaking picture

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by Anonymousreply 39April 23, 2018 7:39 PM

He did it because Shania Twain said she would vote for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 40April 23, 2018 7:59 PM

9 infidels dead so far.

by Anonymousreply 41April 23, 2018 8:17 PM

5 dead

by Anonymousreply 42April 23, 2018 8:18 PM

r12 We sent troops to Afghanistan. And really, this is a jihad against the West. That's what people don't get. You can't play moral dodge ball with Muslim extremists by amending your foreign policy hoping not to get attacks like this.

Latest news is 9 people dead, 7 injured gunman taken alive.

by Anonymousreply 43April 23, 2018 8:18 PM

ETA: one source said 9, 'official' said 5.

by Anonymousreply 44April 23, 2018 8:19 PM

Are we sure that attack is a Muslim? He looks a POC but no official confirmation that he is Muslim

by Anonymousreply 45April 23, 2018 8:22 PM

I need coffee

by Anonymousreply 46April 23, 2018 8:24 PM

This is so fucking horrible. We're with you, people of Toronto. RIP all victims.

by Anonymousreply 47April 23, 2018 8:25 PM

r45 LEO sources at CNN and another local outlet are saying it's a 'deliberate attack', witnesses said he was Middle Eastern with an accent and the attack has all the hallmarks of Islamic extremism.

I understand not wanting to rush to judgement, but....

From CP24 on twitter: Sunnybrook Hospital says they received 8th patient in critical condition. In total, one person is dead, five people are in critical condition, one person is in serious condition and another is in fair condition.

by Anonymousreply 48April 23, 2018 8:30 PM

Right now the fringe right in Canada is laying the blame squarely at Justin Trudeau and calling for his death

by Anonymousreply 49April 23, 2018 8:32 PM

Now what they need to do is round up every last member of his family,all his friends,anyone he is remotely related to and ship their asses back to whatever shithole they came from. Do that enough times and these freaks families will be clogging up the phone lines turning these pukes in!

by Anonymousreply 50April 23, 2018 8:32 PM

Dream on R50

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by Anonymousreply 51April 23, 2018 8:34 PM

R50 what if he and his family were born in Canada?

by Anonymousreply 52April 23, 2018 8:34 PM

see I told you guys, the right wingers are coming out to comment on this thread to lay the blame on Justin Trudeau

by Anonymousreply 53April 23, 2018 8:35 PM

[quote]Paleswine is a Nazi cult of land-robbing hicks.

Ok, so you do irony. You want a medal?

by Anonymousreply 54April 23, 2018 9:43 PM

The suspect in custody has been identified as 25 year old Alek Minassian. According to some news outlets he was "known to law enforcement" but not necessarily to Toronto Police. May have attended Toronto's Seneca College. No known ties to ISIS or other terrorist organizations.

by Anonymousreply 55April 23, 2018 11:29 PM

and he is a white guy, much to the chagrin to the Alt-Right in Canada who want to label this as a Terrorist attack by a Muslim refugee

by Anonymousreply 56April 23, 2018 11:35 PM

Yeh Alek Minassian sounds Armenian to me.

by Anonymousreply 57April 23, 2018 11:44 PM

CBC is reporting they are searching Minassian's residence, but no links to any terrorist group. He apparently lived with his parents in Richmond Hill.

by Anonymousreply 58April 23, 2018 11:46 PM

I wonder where he got his inspiration from...

by Anonymousreply 59April 23, 2018 11:47 PM

Shania Twain has changed her mind and says Canada needs Trump.

by Anonymousreply 60April 23, 2018 11:47 PM

He was apparently obsessed with the Elliot Rodgers killings.

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by Anonymousreply 61April 23, 2018 11:48 PM

Alt-Right in Canada is still insisting this is a terrorist attack by a Muslim refugee saying this is proof Trudeau has to go,

They say he is a Muslim refugee (brought in by Trudeau) period. and nothing will change their minds about this.

by Anonymousreply 62April 23, 2018 11:49 PM

Minassian is indeed an Armenian name. He looks rough for 25. From what I've read so far, I don't think this is a religiously-motivated attack.

by Anonymousreply 63April 23, 2018 11:56 PM

He was suffering from mental illness and appears he may have been previously arrested for domestic assault.

by Anonymousreply 64April 23, 2018 11:57 PM

Everyone was so ready for this to be a muslim terrorist attack, poor dears must be devastated.

by Anonymousreply 65April 23, 2018 11:57 PM

Don't worry r65 it will happen soon enough.

by Anonymousreply 66April 23, 2018 11:58 PM

[quote] Everyone was so ready for this to be a muslim terrorist attack, poor dears must be devastated.

Alt-Right in Canada insist it was a muslim terrorist attack and the CBC is airing fake news

by Anonymousreply 67April 24, 2018 12:00 AM

CTV just posted some of his facebook posts. Looks like this attack was meant as a tribute to Elliot Rodger.

by Anonymousreply 68April 24, 2018 12:00 AM

Toronto Mayor @JohnTory: “This is a time when this community should come together…I hope that we will, as a city, remind ourselves of the fact that we are admired around the world for being inclusive and for being accepting and understanding and considerate.”

I think that means after the guy ran over each person he said "Excuse me".

by Anonymousreply 69April 24, 2018 12:01 AM

[quote]Alt-Right in Canada insist it was a muslim terrorist attack and the CBC is airing fake news

Is that anything like Al-Qaeda in Iraq? Is there a reason anybody should give a good fuck what "Alt-Right in Canada" thinks?

by Anonymousreply 70April 24, 2018 12:06 AM

I hate it when other people do this but... his eyes look crazy.

by Anonymousreply 71April 24, 2018 12:06 AM

So the most he can get is life without chance of parole?

by Anonymousreply 72April 24, 2018 12:10 AM

[quote]He was suffering from mental illness and appears he may have been previously arrested for domestic assault.

[quote]Looks like this attack was meant as a tribute to Elliot Rodger.

Ah. Another r/incel techbro angry at women.

by Anonymousreply 73April 24, 2018 12:18 AM

armenians can be Muslim cunts!

by Anonymousreply 74April 24, 2018 12:20 AM

R74 so can white people, so what is your point?

by Anonymousreply 75April 24, 2018 12:21 AM

Is there something between that and the death penalty, r72.

by Anonymousreply 76April 24, 2018 12:23 AM

Lots of white Muslims. So I've heard. I've never actually seen one.

by Anonymousreply 77April 24, 2018 12:24 AM

I was wondering if there weren't special provisions in cases of mass murder, R76. I'm not Canadian.

by Anonymousreply 78April 24, 2018 12:25 AM

Canada doesn't have the death penalty, however he can be labeled a Dangerous Offender which life in Prison

[quote] Lots of white Muslims. So I've heard. I've never actually seen one.

Go watch an Ellen Burstyn film

by Anonymousreply 79April 24, 2018 12:25 AM

White Muslims are found in the Balkans. Think Bosnia.

by Anonymousreply 80April 24, 2018 12:26 AM

But are they white by Datalounge standards?

by Anonymousreply 81April 24, 2018 12:27 AM

The desperation some people have that this *must* be some jihadist terrorist attack is laughable if it weren't so sad.

by Anonymousreply 82April 24, 2018 12:27 AM

It's becoming more apparent based on what The Mayor, Police Chief and Premiere are saying tonight that this guy was a lone nut job and not some radical jihadist.

by Anonymousreply 83April 24, 2018 12:30 AM

[quote] The desperation some people have that this *must* be some jihadist terrorist attack is laughable if it weren't so sad.

Guess you don't Rebel Media, as they are still INSISTING this is a jihadist terrorist attack

by Anonymousreply 84April 24, 2018 12:31 AM

Still r84?

Here we have our guarantee it wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 85April 24, 2018 12:33 AM

R85 Rebel Media says it is Fake News

by Anonymousreply 86April 24, 2018 12:35 AM

Rebel Media? You may as well tell me what those garden variety crazies at Dundas Square are screaming about - they are just as credible. Armenians are Chrstians. This was some incel nutjob.

by Anonymousreply 87April 24, 2018 12:37 AM

Has that poor guy who witnessed it been linked yet? I've only only heard the audio on the car radio. This has really messed him up. I'm usually pretty cynical but this guy really moved me.

by Anonymousreply 88April 24, 2018 12:38 AM

[quote] Rebel Media? You may as well tell me what those garden variety crazies at Dundas Square are screaming about - they are just as credible. Armenians are Chrstians. This was some incel nutjob.

They have a strong following who believe everything Rebel Media says. And they still insist this is a Jihad attack by a Muslim who is a recent refugee, under Trudeau.

And their followers believe them.

by Anonymousreply 89April 24, 2018 12:39 AM

I would go online or the news, but can't, R88. Senseless killings like this kick the shit out of my emotions, no matter what the reason or where.

by Anonymousreply 90April 24, 2018 12:41 AM

How could such a poor driver qualify for a license?

by Anonymousreply 91April 24, 2018 12:46 AM

A profoundly disturbed young white Armenian-Canadian murdered 10 innocent people in Toronto today.

That the right wing whackjobs of Rebel Media and their braindead followers who insist on making this something it clearly is not also shows how profoundly disturbed they are.

RIP to today's murdered victims.

by Anonymousreply 92April 24, 2018 12:49 AM

Do you have any personal contact with these people, r89? Vent away.

by Anonymousreply 93April 24, 2018 12:54 AM

Isn't Richmond Hill a pretty wealthy neighborhood??

by Anonymousreply 94April 24, 2018 1:07 AM

r27 If it is a white guy the Right-Wing in Canada will yell that he is suffering from a mental illness

r83 It's becoming more apparent based on what The Mayor, Police Chief and Premiere are saying tonight that this guy was a lone nut job.

Well done r27.

by Anonymousreply 95April 24, 2018 1:12 AM

Armenians are usually uncut. I know you're all wondering.

by Anonymousreply 96April 24, 2018 1:17 AM

No, I'm not wondering. DL is the only place I've ever heard of this bizarre cut/uncut obsession. I don't know anyone in the real world who could give less of a shit.

by Anonymousreply 97April 24, 2018 1:24 AM

Can someone please send R97 a sense of humor!?

by Anonymousreply 98April 24, 2018 1:30 AM

The insane inspire each other with their murders. The media gives them free, extensive publicity and makes them famous, which inspires them some more.

by Anonymousreply 99April 24, 2018 1:46 AM

Who lives in Richmond Hill?

by Anonymousreply 100April 24, 2018 1:47 AM

"Current Richmond Hill MLS stats indicate an average house price of $984,985"

by Anonymousreply 101April 24, 2018 1:54 AM

It's an "Incel Rebellion"

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by Anonymousreply 102April 24, 2018 1:57 AM

They are all sexual failures whether they are loners or in this or that cult. That is the thing no one talks about.

by Anonymousreply 103April 24, 2018 1:58 AM

As one Rebel fan tweeted (saying this is Trudeau fault)

He (Trudeau) certainly carries some of the responsibility! You know it's going to be bad when the first thing reported by @CBCNews is that the van may have accidentily jumped the curb, they were in JT cover mode right from the start, because everyone is pretty sure what the cause of this is

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by Anonymousreply 104April 24, 2018 1:58 AM

and another person tweeted

Just remember who said they were going to “Take Personal Responsibility” for something like this because it would NEVER happen in Canada... Thats right, Justin Trudeau. He has a lot more than BLOOD on his hands now! #ReligionOfPeace #Toronto #Qanon #QAnonPatriots #Canada

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by Anonymousreply 105April 24, 2018 2:00 AM

R89, I don’t know ONE person who reads Rebel Media, let alone quotes it. I think you are really overestimating its reach.

by Anonymousreply 106April 24, 2018 2:10 AM

R106 try hanging out in rural Ontario and Western Canada

by Anonymousreply 107April 24, 2018 2:13 AM

The Rebel Media publicist is the definition of concern troll

by Anonymousreply 108April 24, 2018 2:14 AM

no one cares about the twitter threads being linked

by Anonymousreply 109April 24, 2018 2:18 AM

Still mudlim terrorism regardless if isis or not. Insane people. Send them all back. Cut their balls off first. Tie up the cunts. Sterilized all Muslims. Have at it islamapologists, tell us how awful the Amish etc are and drone on about Oklahoma city.

by Anonymousreply 110April 24, 2018 2:20 AM

I live in Western Canada, r107.

Try again.

by Anonymousreply 111April 24, 2018 2:20 AM

Some Rebel media troll is trying to give it backdoor credence. Shoo away!

by Anonymousreply 112April 24, 2018 2:20 AM

r78 he would be labelled a dangerous offender, which is the American equivalent of natural life. The spanner in the works on that is his mental health status. If he's known to police, and it involved mental health issues, he might be given life with a "faint hope" clause, which is eligibility for parole after 25 years.

r95 one could still be suffering from mental illness and be inspired by ISIS. We had a case like that outside a recruiting office not that long ago. The guy was seriously disturbed, and IIRC, he had a long history of delusional mental illness.

It doesn't seem to be the case here, but I'm not hopeful about finding out what really happened. The TPS has been under siege in the last year for good reason. If he is another marginalized misogynist, the TPS need to say that clearly and why.

by Anonymousreply 113April 24, 2018 2:23 AM

[quote]It's an "Incel Rebellion"

Called it.

Sad thing is no one wants to examine that nearly all these mass killer guys have histories of DV (almost always against women) and/or participate in incel/MRA communities.

by Anonymousreply 114April 24, 2018 2:24 AM

R115, under amendments to the CCC, he could be sentenced consecutively for each count of murder. Same result, but no review, as is required for dangerous offender designations.

by Anonymousreply 115April 24, 2018 2:26 AM

r110 there's no evidence that he's a Muslim, period. He's supposed to be from Armenia:

[quote]In 2009, the Pew Research Center estimated that less than 0.1% of the population, or about 1,000 people, were Muslims.

by Anonymousreply 116April 24, 2018 2:26 AM

[quote]The spanner in the works on that is his mental health status. If he's known to police, and it involved mental health issues, he might be given life with a "faint hope" clause, which is eligibility for parole after 25 years.

Or, like Vince Lee, he could be deemed “not criminally responsible” and released in 6 years.

I will never understand how the Canadian courts and laws allowed for that to happen.

by Anonymousreply 117April 24, 2018 2:29 AM

90% of these losers would never pull a trigger if prostitution was legal .Their whole problem is they cant get laid.

by Anonymousreply 118April 24, 2018 2:32 AM

Religion of peace!

by Anonymousreply 119April 24, 2018 2:34 AM

Prostitution is not illegal in Canada.

by Anonymousreply 120April 24, 2018 2:35 AM

Before this guy started blaming everything on Rebel Media, had anyone here ever heard the name before? I hadn't.

by Anonymousreply 121April 24, 2018 2:42 AM

Kudos to the police officer who arrested Minassian!

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by Anonymousreply 122April 24, 2018 2:47 AM

R107 where in Western canada?

by Anonymousreply 123April 24, 2018 2:55 AM

“90% of these losers would never pull a trigger if prostitution was legal .Their whole problem is they cant get laid.”

That’s the Bill Maher argument, stupid when he said it, still stupid when you repeat it.

by Anonymousreply 124April 24, 2018 3:08 AM

rich christian bitch couldn't get a woman so he had to mow down a bunch of minorities. I bet the nazis are so unhappy this wasn't a POC running amok.

by Anonymousreply 125April 24, 2018 3:16 AM

E110- Armenia is something like 95% Christian.

by Anonymousreply 126April 24, 2018 3:18 AM

I love this city! 10 people are murdered and more injured in cold blood, but we still turn out en mass for a hockey game!

by Anonymousreply 127April 24, 2018 3:25 AM

Their problem is they have no social skills. You don't have to bring prostitution into it.

by Anonymousreply 128April 24, 2018 3:27 AM

R3's appalling justification for Muslim terror ignores that Muslims butcher far more Muslims and reiterates that Muslim immigration must be curtailed to protect citizens from revenge attacks.

by Anonymousreply 129April 24, 2018 3:35 AM

Oh, look, the alt-right trolls are back! For some reason, the same trolls here are on the Joy Reid thread spewing racist garbage.

by Anonymousreply 130April 24, 2018 3:38 AM

Doubt this type of loser would accept having to pay a gal for sex. They feel entitled to their choice of their idea of a 'perfect woman', notwithstanding their own lack of looks, wealth, personality, ect. When they don't get that woman or attention from that type of female (and, why would they? They're hateful, psycho losers), they go off.

I mean, it would be nice if prostitution would take care of it but...I don't see it.

by Anonymousreply 131April 24, 2018 3:38 AM

Alberta r123. Which should be prime “Rebel” country. But it’s not.

by Anonymousreply 132April 24, 2018 3:39 AM

Who is Joy reid?

by Anonymousreply 133April 24, 2018 3:39 AM

R130 truly believes that defending a homo-hating, misogynist ideology on a gay board is "progressive".

Madness!

by Anonymousreply 134April 24, 2018 3:47 AM

Guys like this and Rogers hate women, period. Hiring and paying a prostitute only makes them feel even more entitled to treating her like an object to be debased and abused, not less.

by Anonymousreply 135April 24, 2018 4:40 AM

r131 right now, the problem is a growing number of 'moderates' who are angry at their lives and parts of the culture but they're not at the 4Chan level. They're immature but not hateful, and they're very, very blunt. They also tend to be coddled by their mothers, and most of them are smart white males from well-off families. They get bullied a lot for questioning things like extreme trans and the adults around them won't explain issues to them, they just get shut down and told they're bigots. I worry about this group becoming more and more isolated, and hope our public discourse moves toward the centre, so they can be stabilized. They need to be moved away from the incel extreme.

My two nephews are like this (except they're lower income).

by Anonymousreply 136April 24, 2018 4:46 AM

Had he recently converted to Islam?

by Anonymousreply 137April 24, 2018 6:01 AM

No, the Armenian dude did not suddenly convert to Islam, R137. The Armenian dude was crazy and got angry that people noticed that he was crazy and didn't want to fuck him or spend time with him. He sure showed them how wrong they were!

by Anonymousreply 138April 24, 2018 6:06 AM

GTAV IRL

by Anonymousreply 139April 24, 2018 9:12 AM

[quote]well the right-wing will start attacking Trudeau for being light and easy on immigration

The right wing has no credibility on this subject.

There were terrorist attacks under Conservative PM Harper.

On one occasion under Harper, a terrorist even made it into the Parliament Buildings!

by Anonymousreply 140April 24, 2018 10:30 AM

Armenians are slippery. I work in commercial lending, and in my experience they are by far the worst single demographic for pulling frauds. Tight-knit, one-hand-washes-the-other communities who will cover up for each other come what may. Worse than Hasidim even.

by Anonymousreply 141April 24, 2018 10:54 AM

Is he Antifa?

by Anonymousreply 142April 24, 2018 10:55 AM

First victim identified.

How's the mood in Toronto today for anyone who lives there?

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by Anonymousreply 143April 24, 2018 12:28 PM

R136 I hope you are helping your two nephews from becoming more and more isolated.

If the adults around them won't explain issues to them they get shut down.

by Anonymousreply 144April 24, 2018 1:55 PM

Right now, it looks like the killer was of Armenian descent with mental issues.

by Anonymousreply 145April 24, 2018 2:12 PM

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by Anonymousreply 146April 24, 2018 2:59 PM

[quote]Right now, it looks like the killer was of Armenian descent with mental issues.

At least one of the Muslim guys in Nice had actual mental issues, he was a drug addict and an alcoholic with a long rap sheet. His family even came forward with documents from his psychiatrist. Do people like you ever even ask yourselves why you're so quick to essentially absolve anyone who isn't Muslim, yet you automatically conclude a Muslim guy did it specifically because he was Muslim? As a if a Muslim guy couldn't possibly just be mental or angry at his life?

by Anonymousreply 147April 24, 2018 3:13 PM

It's Armenian Genocide commemoration. It begins the Sunday before April 24th and continues through the 24th.

Usually in LA, some Armenian will act out in some odd way, but I was just thinking nothing like that happened this year.

I guess it's happened now, but in Toronto...

by Anonymousreply 148April 24, 2018 3:14 PM

PS

There is also unrest in Armenia itself as many are protesting the current government that they fear is becoming a dictatorship.

by Anonymousreply 149April 24, 2018 3:17 PM

[quote] Do people like you ever even ask yourselves why you're so quick to essentially absolve anyone who isn't Muslim,

Observing that the killer was Armenian-Canadian and mentally ill neither absolves him nor indicates how r145 might have reacted had the killer been Muslim and mentally ill. If anything, I'd guess r145's point was to note that Muslims cannot be blamed for this mass murder.

by Anonymousreply 150April 24, 2018 3:20 PM

The defense of Islam is astonishing. WTF. The way people are marginalised in threads like this is absolutely wonderful . Because it shows the hypocrisy of the Regressives.

I saw your handiwork when the latest school shootings occurred in Florida. You blamed the victims and then the parents . You went overboard on blaming the parents. Then you found out the school was in a Democrat County and suddenly changed your tune and became concerned and empathetic. Hypocrisy.

You yell Alt Right in these threads to stop debate. Any debate you yell bigot and rascist and then tell everyone how evil the Alt Right are and then add Russian trolls for good measure.

The problem is you are fighting a losing battle . It is perfectly understandable to believe this could be Islamic terrorism. So many vans running over poeople have sort of been the standard for Extreme Islam for a couple of years now . It is not unreasonable to jump to that conclusion and if we were talking guns we would be on thread 5 of White men are evil.

Islam free pass . If you question that your a bigot. Even though it is a Religion that loathes Gays.

by Anonymousreply 151April 24, 2018 3:31 PM

Actually, you'd be wrong, R150 and you're willfully blind to what *actually* happens. There is NO attempt whatsoever to look into the mental health of the perpetrator if they're Muslim....as people have already demonstrated on this board countless times.

Formula: Event occurs: Muslims! Immigration! Feverish posting about all Muslims throwing gays off of roofs! Liberals defending Sharia Law!!! An individual Muslim has killed people in Dusseldorf! Quick! Pretend it's normal to blame the Muslims who haven't done a fucking thing anywhere near it! Scream about "Look at Europe! Look at Europe!" As if there aren't already millions of American Muslims who've lived here - in many cases for generations.

Simpler: Guy was Muslim - don't need to know anything else. Clearly he was "religious" and did it for the Caliphate. Guy wasn't Muslim: Let's take our time and see why. It must be mental illness.

The reaction is actually laughable in its predictability when these events occur whether mass shooting or something like this. We can write the fucking script at this point. And I suspect this thread like many others will die soon enough since it didn't include the fetish of those who finger themselves to Breitbart and Ben Shapiro.

And R151 proves the very low IQ of those who don't get it. They really just don't get the point. Just a genuinely stupid person.

by Anonymousreply 152April 24, 2018 3:36 PM

R147 - I was simply stating the facts as we know them at this time. Why you twisted my simple sentence into a tirade about Muslims says more about you than me.

by Anonymousreply 153April 24, 2018 3:39 PM

R153, you don't seem to understand that you did exactly what is always done in these cases - that was my point. It happened yesterday afternoon and already we know it's mental illness? Do you understand the media's role in all of this bullshit?

by Anonymousreply 154April 24, 2018 3:42 PM

R152 Tough for you to distinguish between people with a grudge and Muslims who know nothing but Islam. Tough for you to comprehend that Muslim harassment, attacks, murders and terrorism occurring all over Europe, Asia and Africa are due Islam and not mental illness. But what is most tough to comprehend is that 10 people have been murdered and all you and other Muslim apologists, the media and government care about is protecting and deflecting from your fetish.

by Anonymousreply 155April 24, 2018 3:46 PM

R155 - for fuck sakes, give it a rest. Not every fucking mass killing has to do with Muslims. Ask the people in Nashville.

by Anonymousreply 156April 24, 2018 3:48 PM

She doth protest too much me thinks

by Anonymousreply 157April 24, 2018 3:49 PM

[quote] The defense of Islam is astonishing.

This particular murderer is not Muslim. Pointing that out is neither defending nor attacking Islam; it's merely pointing out a FACT.

by Anonymousreply 158April 24, 2018 3:49 PM

R158 - You are correct, voice of reason.

I think they're a lot of Deplorables posting here.

by Anonymousreply 159April 24, 2018 3:52 PM

R156 R158 overlook the FACT that the majority of the posts on this thread have been zealous defense of Muslims and chastisement for posters who don't.

by Anonymousreply 160April 24, 2018 3:52 PM

R155? Did you wait to find out who did this before commenting? No, dear, you didn't. You feverishly went into your own fetish. You see, you guys are predictable in your reactions. Those of us who don't live in your little Pamela Geller bubble see what you do. Your anger right now is at the fact that it wasn't a Muslim so then you can't go into your usual foaming-at-the-mouth shrieks, instead, you attempt to make this about a "liberal defense of Islam" because you're so full of venom that you lash out when called out for your obvious agenda. You see, threads quickly die on here when a Muslim WASN'T the perpetrator. The body count means nothing. You only focus on the WHO, so then you can do your little tirade. You're a disgrace as a person and your attempt to turn it around and make this about me "Defending Sharia law" or whatever other bullshit you tell yourself, won't work. You're an idiot like many on DL who get their nuts off on this kind of thing. Many of us see it.

by Anonymousreply 161April 24, 2018 3:58 PM

R155 is a pathetic human being.

by Anonymousreply 162April 24, 2018 4:01 PM

BTW, there was a thread on here about someone mowing down people in Germany. Once everyone found it was a Neo-Nazi, the thread quickly died. You love this shit when it suits your agenda, R155. Only an imbecile thinks it's about defending a fucking religion. It's about idiots thinking that if a fucking Muslim farts in Venice, you get to blame the Muslim dentist living in Newark for it.

by Anonymousreply 163April 24, 2018 4:01 PM

Bottom line: d l and most gays do defend and apologize for Muslims, quick to point out other terrorist acts, ignoring who does most of them, which group approves of sex with minors, hates homosexuals, hates dogs, keeps women second class citizens, has a warped view of religion and the world, refuse to assimilate, want all the benefits Europe, Canada, United States offer yet hate those places etc. And no not breitbart or Republican.

by Anonymousreply 164April 24, 2018 4:06 PM

[quote] [R156] [R158] overlook the FACT that the majority of the posts on this thread have been zealous defense of Muslims

That's a fact? Let's see. There are now 165 posts in this thread. Please identify at least 83 that "zealously defend" Muslims.

by Anonymousreply 165April 24, 2018 4:07 PM

Wow on that link, R146. So, instead of expecting the straight guy to take responsibility for being a weak, homicidal shit stain who would have done the world a favor by killing himself instead, we're to blame his rejection by women?

Because everyone, especially beautuful women with options in life, should be shamed and be made to feel responsible for not partnering up with men capable of this type of atrocity?

These snowflakes need to learn to deal with that shit like the rest of us have, and move on with their lives.

by Anonymousreply 166April 24, 2018 4:12 PM

[quote]Many of us see it.

R161 You speak only for yourself. And your entire post is the exact same stereotyping for which you condemn others. My critique was about Western ignorance of and continued empty-headed projection of Western sensibilities on Islam and Muslims. Perfect example of this ignorance is R163 erroneous characterizing Islam as a "religion" and again the focus, the outraged defense of Muslims. See R165 R163 R161 R152 etc.

by Anonymousreply 167April 24, 2018 4:13 PM

R152, there have been studies on Muslim suicide bombers. Other than those forced into suicide bombings, such as children, the vast majority of bombers did have mental health issues.

by Anonymousreply 168April 24, 2018 4:16 PM

R167 - we're outraged that you're still so fucking stupid you can't seem to read and comprehend properly. We're still waiting for an answer to R165. Tick tick tick.

by Anonymousreply 169April 24, 2018 4:17 PM

Seems not improbable to me that ISIS either targets crazies to do their bidding or crazies are drawn to that kind of ideology

by Anonymousreply 170April 24, 2018 4:17 PM

R168 Studies no doubt originating in the West?

by Anonymousreply 171April 24, 2018 4:21 PM

R167 You're outraged because your fetish is under attack. The murdered are irrelevant.

by Anonymousreply 172April 24, 2018 4:22 PM

^^^ R169, not R167^^^^

by Anonymousreply 173April 24, 2018 4:23 PM

Fetish is islamapologists. For 500, Alex.

by Anonymousreply 174April 24, 2018 4:28 PM

R173 - I'm quite calm and have no outrage.

You deflect like most Deplorables and their dear leader. Oh, and you're pretty stupid. Carry on shit stain.

by Anonymousreply 175April 24, 2018 4:30 PM

R160? You understand that if someone is put on ignore, we can see all of their posts, right? I have five not counting this one. You have more than I do as do the other lunatics who hate Muslims.

You came right out of the barn door to attack Muslims and you ignored the numerous posts prior to yours attacking Muslims and talking about Hitler and going way off topic to just attack anyone who is Muslim, but you guys want to pretend that we have some fetish? You hate hundreds of millions of people and ascribe some insane stereotype to all of them. You think some Somali refugee who no doubt grew up around war and hell and violence is akin to an educated Lebanese attorney living in Los Angeles. You're not bright enough to comprehend that you're hysterical, hyperbolic people who don't actually deal in truth. You deal in fear-mongering and rather than accept that fact, you try to deflect and project your bile onto us. I don't doubt that several assholes who initially enjoyed the idea that it could be a Muslim are now gone from this thread because they couldn't "get off." You have it backwards about not caring about those who were murdered. You see, people like you become more apoplectic over a Muslim wielding a knife in France where no one is murdered vs people shot to death in a Waffle House or a school or a theater or a mall or at their job right here at home. The only reason the waffle house story got any traction around here was because the killer was naked. You don't care about the dead if the killer doesn't give you the opportunity to go off on hundreds of millions who had nothing to do with it.

I said in another thread that I'm part Palestinian Christian (I don't engage Matt the lunatic but I see he's in this thread doing his usual "Palestinians are Nazis" nonsense and I actually feel sorry for him, I don't hate him), I obviously know Muslims and only a complete idiot living in bumfuck who thinks "ISIS is a comin'!" or a person with an obvious agenda, is ridiculous enough to think it's about defending religion rather than the despicable belief that if an individual does something anywhere on earth, you get to attack people who had nothing to do with it - that's what this has always been about. I couldn't give less of a shit if you hate Islam. I give a shit that you think it's normal to go after people for the crimes of individuals only when it suits your particular racism or bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 176April 24, 2018 5:10 PM

Oh, and I'm done...and no doubt this thread will go away quick because you couldn't give a shit about the murdered, only the murderer when it suits your hate.

by Anonymousreply 177April 24, 2018 5:11 PM

10 people dead, 15 injured.

by Anonymousreply 178April 24, 2018 5:47 PM

AYB has a lot of issues. Joining EDL is just the first one in a long list.

by Anonymousreply 179April 24, 2018 5:53 PM

I'm so fucking proud of this city today! I work downtown and you can tell things are slightly more subdued than normal. People are a bit quieter, I noticed that particularly on the subway this morning, but overall life is normal here. There is no overreaction, no freaking out, people are just going about their day.

by Anonymousreply 180April 24, 2018 5:54 PM

R180 You may be "fucking proud" but what else can ordinary citizens do when madmen are allowed to commit carnage?

by Anonymousreply 181April 24, 2018 6:00 PM

when life gives you lemons, put 7 in a bowl!

by Anonymousreply 182April 24, 2018 6:06 PM

How do you suggest we prevent madmen from committing carnage other than turning every big city into Pyongyang with police and armed forces being everywhere? At some point, you just accept the risk of living in a big city and go about your daily life. I could've also been killed by ice falling down from the CN Tower, or windows and terraces collapsing on one of many shoddy condo constructions downtown.

by Anonymousreply 183April 24, 2018 6:06 PM

Jim Sciutto ‏ Verified account

@jimsciutto 22h22 hours ago

Following #Toronto incident, mayor reminds residents “We are admired around the world for being inclusive”

by Anonymousreply 184April 24, 2018 6:15 PM

^ We include madmen. We don't ask them to wear discreet digital anklebraces nor prohibit them from dangerous activities.

by Anonymousreply 185April 24, 2018 6:18 PM

Toronto has been finished for a while; Montreal is going that way, too.

by Anonymousreply 186April 24, 2018 6:19 PM

R186 - oh really? What FACTS do you have to back up your opinion? Or is it just a anti-Canadian bias?

by Anonymousreply 187April 24, 2018 6:25 PM

How can you be half Christian? You said you were half Palestinian Christian. Why not just say that you are half Palestinian and that you were raised Christian.

I don't like it when a faith is conflated with a race.

Cause I don't want to be stuck being a Catholic forever.

by Anonymousreply 188April 24, 2018 7:45 PM

There is no escape from the Catholic guilt r188

by Anonymousreply 189April 24, 2018 7:59 PM

Tighter van control laws now!!!!

by Anonymousreply 190April 24, 2018 8:33 PM

Ban Ryder!

by Anonymousreply 191April 24, 2018 9:16 PM

R188: Because those with an agenda like to pretend that the Israel-Palestine conflict is based on religion and not nationalism and I knew the idiots would just assume I was Muslim had I left it at "part Palestinian" (Mom's Irish Catholic, so R189 is correct). It helps rabid supporters of Israel to frame the conflict as some "ISIS" type bullshit with the ignorant people, particularly the imitation cheese of Christians: Evangelicals. Palestinian Christians and Muslims suffer under the occupation (and I include my Israeli citizen relatives). I spent my childhood (late 70s/80s) traveling to the Mideast. I could count on one hand the number of women who were covered up and they were still Muslim. Western FP over decades has completely fucked up the region and the ignorant want to pretend it was just always like that. They want to pretend death and destruction hasn't been the number one export from the west to that region for decades. Propping up dictator after dictator.

by Anonymousreply 192April 24, 2018 9:17 PM

Islamic history, R147, that's way. Learn about it. Also, it cannot be ignored that as the muslim population increases in non-muslim societies around the globe, the violence, massacre and sexual assaults and rapes committed against non-muslims increases astronomically. It is all connected and the common factor is islam and the hate-filled, violence inciting islamic foundational texts.

by Anonymousreply 193April 24, 2018 9:20 PM

R193, I live in NYC where there are almost a million Muslims alone... link to the increase in rapes and everything else you mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 194April 24, 2018 9:22 PM

As I said, I'm a Palestinian. I don't have to "learn" from your "Breitbart" sources. I LIVE in the real world with actual humanbeings, not some demonized caricature you've created in your little circle jerks where you think if Muslims in some city are fucked up, you get to apply that to Muslims everywhere or you get to act like rapes don't count unless it was a Muslim.

When you're so focused on crimes only committed by a certain group, you stupidly convince yourself it applies everywhere, so I ask again: LINK TO AN INCREASE IN NYC. Almost one million who live here. LINK?

by Anonymousreply 195April 24, 2018 9:26 PM

What's the American foundational text that its literal translation leads to an epidemic of gun violence? I read of shootings in restaurants, church properties, VA hospitals, schools and universities and wonder why Americans would let people without any self-control or strong tethers to reality have the privileges of "a well-regulated militia?" How are peaceful congregants more of "government tyranny" and threats to liberty and freedom than foreign state meddling and manipulation? One can't stop that crap with guns, so what good is "a well-regulated militia" now with firearms? Seems like white-hat hackers are the "well-regulated militia" now so why not put the firearms away and get some deprogramming and professional help?

Citizens of the US can not reasonably point out the speck in another country's eye without removing the gigantic log from their own.

by Anonymousreply 196April 24, 2018 9:32 PM

This thread came in quite handy when it came to F&Fing all these foaming-at-the-mouth Breitbart shitstain trolls. It gives Muriel some work to do and lets her be creative with the red tags. Muriel, if you're reading this, I particularly liked this one: "Weary foot soldier in MAGA wars."

by Anonymousreply 197April 24, 2018 10:01 PM

R195 do u have a bomb at home?

by Anonymousreply 198April 24, 2018 10:01 PM

R194, give it time, especially as the muslim population increases. We'll also casually ignore the WTC bombing in the 1990s and, of course, 2001, the Chelsea pipe bomb, the 8 people killed on Halloween last year, the Port Authority failed islamic suicide bomber last year as well, and I'll just lead this here for you, from 1997......

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by Anonymousreply 199April 24, 2018 10:43 PM

I'll leave this for R194 as well....

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by Anonymousreply 200April 24, 2018 10:44 PM

John Paul Tasker, CBC Reporter:

Alek Minassian has been charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder and 13 counts of attempted murder in connection with Monday's van attack in #Toronto.

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by Anonymousreply 201April 24, 2018 10:48 PM

R195, there is not 1 million muslims in NYC. Why my muslims always lie or misrepresent the truth? According to the PEW Foundation, muslims make up 3% of the NYC population. The estimate as of 2015 is between 400,000 and AT MOST 800,000.

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by Anonymousreply 202April 24, 2018 10:59 PM

Emmanuel Macron (President of France):

J’exprime ma profonde solidarité au peuple canadien après la tragédie qui vient de frapper la ville de Toronto.

(I express my profound solidarity with the Canadian people after the tragedy that has just struck the city of Toronto.)

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by Anonymousreply 203April 24, 2018 11:05 PM

Bad link from the 1997 NYTs article. Google Atlantic Terminal Bombing Plot if you're interest.

August 1, 1997 Two men with Jordanian passports were arrested yesterday morning in a Brooklyn apartment, where police officers found components of one or more pipe bombs -- evidence of what the authorities say was a terrorist plot to detonate bombs in the busy Atlantic Avenue subway station and on a commuter bus.

The two suspects were shot after a team of New York City police officers, acting on a tip from a man who lived with the two, burst into the Park Slope apartment an hour before dawn. The police said they opened fire when one of the men appeared to be trying to set off one of the explosive devices.

Federal law enforcement officials said the police had recovered a nine-inch pipe packed with gunpowder and nails, and a device in which four pipes had been wrapped together and equipped with toggle-switch detonators. Three high-ranking investigators said yesterday that the lack of a timer or a remote-control detonator on the device strongly suggested that it was intended for a suicide attack.

Police Commissioner Howard Safir said the material was powerful enough to kill anyone within 25 feet of detonation in an enclosed space.

The plot was uncovered late Wednesday night, when a man, burdened with information that he felt compelled to unload, waved down a police officer to confess. His information carried a chilling resonance: on Tuesday, two suicide bombers set off explosions in a crowded Jerusalem market, killing 13 other people. Hamas, the militant Islamic organization, has claimed responsibility.

The discovery of the explosives created a tense scene in Brooklyn, where blocks were evacuated and subway trains rerouted, and it prompted the New York City police to bolster security at several public buildings, including the Police Headquarters at One Police Plaza in Manhattan and a number of courthouses.

It also served as yet another reminder of the city's vulnerability to terrorism, a point made forcefully in February 1993 when a bomb exploded beneath the World Trade Center, killing six people.

Most disturbing of all, perhaps, were the signs that indicated that a bombing was imminent and that its likely target was the Atlantic Avenue station, a commuting nexus that includes 10 subway lines and a Long Island Rail Road terminal. One of the accused was given a summons on Tuesday for fare-beating at the Pacific Street subway station, which is connected to the Atlantic Avenue complex, police officials said. They speculated that his visit may have been connected to the plot.

by Anonymousreply 204April 24, 2018 11:32 PM

No more van rentals to swarthy types!

by Anonymousreply 205April 25, 2018 12:11 AM

[quote]again the focus, the outraged defense of Muslims. See [R165]

R165 here—not outraged, not defending Muslims, simply interested in seeing you back up your claim that the majority of posts in this thread defend Muslims. I don't see that at all. If anything, I see more posts attacking Muslims than defending them.

I also have to wonder why we need to talk about Muslims at all in a thread about a mass murder that was not committed by and did not involve Muslims. Apparently, to you, discussing an actual non-Muslim murderer and his actual motives = an "outraged defense of Muslims."

BTW, it's looking the "incel" theory was right on:

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by Anonymousreply 206April 25, 2018 12:57 AM

The AAA wants children to die.

by Anonymousreply 207April 25, 2018 1:11 AM

Of course it was. And that's the demographic constituting knuckledragging alt-right hordes.

by Anonymousreply 208April 25, 2018 1:14 AM

The AAA?

by Anonymousreply 209April 25, 2018 1:15 AM

[quote]I also have to wonder why we need to talk about Muslims at all in a thread about a mass murder that was not committed by and did not involve Muslims.

R206 Because your extraordinary efforts to deflect away from Muslims and why this extraordinary effort is so common on a "progressive" gay DISCUSSION board, especially given Muslim homo-hatred and their adverse social/political impact in Europe, Asia and Africa WARRANTS DISCUSSION.

by Anonymousreply 210April 25, 2018 3:20 AM

[quote]They get bullied a lot for questioning things like extreme trans and the adults around them won't explain issues to them, they just get shut down and told they're bigots.

Wait, what? So this is the fault of trans people?

Typical that a DLer would work them into this.

by Anonymousreply 211April 25, 2018 3:23 AM

It's not DLer, it's your garden variety alt-right troll who got his talking points to push.

by Anonymousreply 212April 25, 2018 3:30 AM

If this character is not Muslim, nobody is. Classic facial features of Muslim. Island is more about race than anything.

by Anonymousreply 213April 25, 2018 3:31 AM

He is Armenian. The vast majority of Armenians are Christians.

by Anonymousreply 214April 25, 2018 3:33 AM

Chadwick, give it up. The reason Scruff rejected you was not because you're an alt-right idiot 9and you are) but because you're terminally tedious.

by Anonymousreply 215April 25, 2018 3:33 AM

I thought we were going to talk about Armenians

by Anonymousreply 216April 25, 2018 3:34 AM

[quote][R78] he would be labelled a dangerous offender, which is the American equivalent of natural life. The spanner in the works on that is his mental health status. If he's known to police, and it involved mental health issues, he might be given life with a "faint hope" clause, which is eligibility for parole after 25 years.

Wasn't the guy who decapitated another man on a Greyhound bus full of people released recently? As I recall at the time, many folk said that release wouldn't be an issue due to this dangerous offender designation, but he didn't even spend a decade incarcerated.

by Anonymousreply 217April 25, 2018 3:37 AM

r211 no, not at all. I'm saying there's no explanation for why misgendering is a hate crime, which is what my one nephew was told. He said he understood gay people, but he didn't 'get' trans because they were male (or female) because they were born that way, i.e had male/female sex organs. That made it impossible to him to get it, especially when trans didn't transition or weren't showing characteristics of their preferred gender.

Obviously, he was conflating sexual orientation and gender presentation but that was never explained. He originally had an argument with some girls in his class, and I don't know how the teacher got involved (I was told second hand). Regardless, instead of an explanation, he got lectured on his 'intolerance' and told there was no question about that being a hate crime.

by Anonymousreply 218April 25, 2018 3:42 AM

That's so pertinent to this topic, R218. But thanks for playing, troll.

by Anonymousreply 219April 25, 2018 3:44 AM

R165 R206 is obviously ignorant of the fact that the specific method used by Minassian, vehicular ramming murder, was tested and perfected by Muslims on the streets of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and then exported and used by Muslims against the citizens of London, Paris, Lyon, Colorado, North Carolina, Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu (Canada), Dijon, Nantes, Nice, Ohio, Berlin, Stockholm, Levallois-Perret (France), Barcelona, Edmonton (ALB), New York City, etc. etc. etc.

[quote]I also have to wonder why we need to talk about Muslims at all in a thread about a mass murder that was not committed by and did not involve Muslims.

R206 You should be addressing that question to R3.

by Anonymousreply 220April 25, 2018 3:49 AM

[quote] [R206] Because your extraordinary efforts to deflect away from Muslims

The only extraordinary effort* going on here is your effort to make the Toronto van attack story about Muslims, when in fact they have fuck-all to do with it. I am not deflecting away from Muslims because they weren't involved in the first place.

Contrary to your belief, DL is home to plenty of Muslim haters, so if bitching about Islam is what you came here for, I'm sure you can get a lively thread or 10 going—but how about leaving this one to the people who want to discuss the actual, non-Muslim-related, topic of the thread?

* I stand corrected; there also seems to be a late-breaking extraordinary effort to make the story about trannies, who also had nothing to do with it.

by Anonymousreply 221April 25, 2018 3:52 AM

I'm surprised R220 didn't find a way to insert Farrakhan and Sharpton into the Toronto van story, since he also seems to be obsessed with them on one of the Joy Reid threads.

by Anonymousreply 222April 25, 2018 3:54 AM

Or George Soros.

by Anonymousreply 223April 25, 2018 3:55 AM

And, yes, r220, I am aware that Muslim terrorists have killed people with vehicles, just like this incel dude did. So fucking what? Do you also blame every gun murder on the first person who ever shot someone to death? Would you be pointing a finger at Lizzie Borden if the incel freak had used an axe?

by Anonymousreply 224April 25, 2018 4:04 AM

r221 FFS doesn't anyone read anymore?

The trannies are not the problem, the cultural pendulum swing against white males is the problem, and it's causing all kinds of ASD and hyper-intelligent but under socialized boys to become victims of PC bullying. They are then at risk of becoming extreme incel types **like this shooter** because they are not given balanced guidance from adults about why people hold the views they do. Instead, they are being told they're bad people for asking genuine, if blunt, questions; instead of answers they get told to 'check their privilege' .

I mentioned extreme trans as one issue my nephew didn't understand as an example of it. I worry about both of my nephews being drawn to the incel movement because both are floundering in the cultural climate.

by Anonymousreply 225April 25, 2018 4:09 AM

Then get your nephews some pussy already. Clearly that's the solution to the incel problem.

by Anonymousreply 226April 25, 2018 4:13 AM

R217, that guy was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Contrary to perception, it is rarely successful in Canada. So he could not be designated a dangerous offender, nor sentenced criminally.

by Anonymousreply 227April 25, 2018 4:14 AM

[quote]I am not deflecting away from Muslims because they weren't involved in the first place.

R221 Repeatedly asserting that this story/thread is not be about Muslims is DEFLECTION, i.e., attempting to move the focus away from one thing and on to another.

R224 proves that histrionics are by nature illogical and ignorant. Many people have used axes as murder weapons long before Lizzie Borden. Muslims created and perfected vehicular ramming as a weapon of terror and continue to use most effectively, as posted in R220.

by Anonymousreply 228April 25, 2018 4:15 AM

Yeah, it's the "nephew". I'll give you extra points if you manage to weave BLM and Antifa into your narrative. Special prize: an intimate dinner with Richard Spencer.

by Anonymousreply 229April 25, 2018 4:17 AM

Yet another thread with Muslim and "trans" apologists trolling together. Makes sense as both are homo-hating, oppressive, misogynist ideologist.

by Anonymousreply 230April 25, 2018 4:20 AM

^^^ ideologies^^^

by Anonymousreply 231April 25, 2018 4:20 AM

So many gay incels on Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 232April 25, 2018 4:22 AM

Muslims sometimes kill people with cars

This guy killed people with a car

Therefore this guy is a Muslim terrorist

by Anonymousreply 233April 25, 2018 4:23 AM

So I guess by that logic, that guy in Charlottesville must have been a Muslim terrorist as well.

by Anonymousreply 234April 25, 2018 4:24 AM

[R221] Repeatedly asserting that this story/thread is not be about Muslims is DEFLECTION,

No, honey, it's FACT. The Toronto van attack story is not, in FACT, about Muslims. Plenty of other stories ARE about Muslims, so again, you might be happier starting your own thread about one of those stories.

[R224] proves that histrionics are by nature illogical and ignorant.

Because logic dictates that the first person or demographic group to use a particular murder weapon is responsible for all subsequent murders committed using that same type of weapon or method? I'm not sure you grasp the concept of logic.

[quote] Many people have used axes as murder weapons long before Lizzie Borden.

Yes, I know. And guess what? It wasn't their fault that Borden murdered her parents, any more than it was some Muslim vehicle-murderer's fault that Alek Minassian killed ten random Toronto residents.

by Anonymousreply 235April 25, 2018 5:58 AM

Amazing that a thread becomes practically a hundred posts of non sequiturs. Facts are facts and derailing conversation into unempirical speculation is stupid.

by Anonymousreply 236April 25, 2018 6:57 AM

R236 Do you know the facts of what was happening inside the killer's head?

by Anonymousreply 237April 25, 2018 7:24 AM

r227 yes and no. Being found Not Criminally Responsible (NCR) means the person isn't convicted of a criminal code violation and won't go to jail. They are actually considered dangerous offenders (although it's not the same as the label given to those convicted of crimes) and it's possible they could never be released.

There were serious issues around the Vincent Li case, but it was more that he was completely freed without conditions, not that he got out. That's always the goal with NCR verdicts.

by Anonymousreply 238April 25, 2018 7:26 AM

Well, R237, a good therapist could help you with whatever is going inside of yours.

by Anonymousreply 239April 25, 2018 12:15 PM

I can't believe this dude killed almost a dozen people because he's a little bitch baby who can't get laid.

YOU'VE GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME, RIGHT?

by Anonymousreply 240April 25, 2018 1:41 PM

That's precisely what happened, yet we have dozens upon dozens of unfucked young men whose chances at losing their chastity are slim to none, yet are trying to tell us otherwise and deflecting their sorry collective state onto *fill in the blank*

by Anonymousreply 241April 25, 2018 1:50 PM

He isn't the first r240, just a copycat of Elliot Rodger who used the same excuse.

I am socially awkward and can't get girls to talk to me, so you all deserve to die!111!!!

by Anonymousreply 242April 25, 2018 1:54 PM

But they're just VICTIMS OF PC BULLYING, remember. They can't get laid because of it. Pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 243April 25, 2018 1:56 PM

It's funny how quickly people forget. Not all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims, I should know, being a Norwegian. It's like Deplorables can't even comprehend that other people are capable of carrying out attacks too.

by Anonymousreply 244April 25, 2018 2:46 PM

The Parkland shooting, the Las Vegas shooting, the Wafflehouse shooting, the Texas church shooting. Most terrorists attacks have nothing to with Muslims.

There are more right-wing terrorists than anything else.

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by Anonymousreply 245April 25, 2018 2:49 PM

Oh and btw, I went to vgd.no which is Norway's biggest discussion forum full of neo nazis. Anyways, they all assumed it was a Muslim too, they were spouting the same bs rhetoric as many people here: "the attack was carried out with a van, so it has to be a Muslim!!!! This is what you get with open borders!!! It's Trudeau's fault!!!!" Comment after comment spewing anti-immigration anti-muslim bs. Then when it was revealed a non-muslim carried out the attack they got all quiet and stopped talking about it, just because it didn't fit into their narrative. BTW, I am not excusing jihadists. I know Islam can be dangerous. And yes, I see the issue with immigration. But you can't blame all terrorist attacks on Muslims, as has been stated above other people are capable of carrying out attacks too, like ABB here in Norway.

by Anonymousreply 246April 25, 2018 2:53 PM

The incel angle hits too close to home for the neo-Nazis, 4Channers and Redditors.

by Anonymousreply 247April 25, 2018 3:48 PM

Why doesnt Neiwert move to iraq since he defends thrm so fervently. Huff Post is a left rag.

by Anonymousreply 248April 26, 2018 12:59 AM

Take some learning annex classes, to help you with basic English skills, R248. Then, if you have any money left, see a therapist. He or she will help you to deal with all those voices in your head.

by Anonymousreply 249April 26, 2018 2:03 AM

R248 Does any adult look at HuffPost anymore? It's thrown together by amateurs and propagandists.

by Anonymousreply 250April 26, 2018 2:37 AM

R217, that case did not go to a normal trial with jury and witnesses, even though there were dozens of witnesses. There was something suspicious about that case and this murdered man and his family got zero justice.

by Anonymousreply 251April 26, 2018 2:41 AM

It would not have gone to a jury in any event. The accused did have a trial, and he can choose if it is jury or judge alone.

by Anonymousreply 252April 26, 2018 2:43 AM

How would he know how to chose, R252? That case was highly suspicious and resolved very quickly. And now he is free.

by Anonymousreply 253April 26, 2018 2:45 AM

[quote]It's Trudeau's fault!!!!

R246, do the people on that right-wing forum realize that there were terrorist attacks in Canada under Conservative PM Harper?

In one incident, a terrorist even made it inside the Parliament Buildings.

by Anonymousreply 254April 27, 2018 8:57 AM

Jordan peterson was the reason!

by Anonymousreply 255April 28, 2018 7:17 AM
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