In the lead-up to Barbara Bush's funeral, the commentators kept making such a big deal about her being from "Rye, New York" as if it was something fantastic and special.
As far as I can tell, it's just much ado about nothing.
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In the lead-up to Barbara Bush's funeral, the commentators kept making such a big deal about her being from "Rye, New York" as if it was something fantastic and special.
As far as I can tell, it's just much ado about nothing.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | April 25, 2018 5:39 PM |
You can walk around with your nose up in the air for hours and not bump into anything noteworthy.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | April 22, 2018 2:00 AM |
Christopher Atkins is from Rye, New York.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | April 22, 2018 2:02 AM |
It’s a wealthy suburb of NYC in Westchester County. Old money.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | April 22, 2018 2:12 AM |
Exactly what R3 said. It has an upscale and very private reputation. Especially when Babs was growing up, it would have been very classy privileged place to be a child
by Anonymous | reply 4 | April 22, 2018 2:15 AM |
Rye has Playland Amusement Park. Bar probably got her start there learning the tricks of the trade.
She could be one of the little flappers in this video.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | April 22, 2018 2:26 AM |
Yeah OP, the pictured house is a decrepit old dump. Who'd wanna live there?
by Anonymous | reply 7 | April 22, 2018 2:38 AM |
Jason Bateman was born there.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | April 22, 2018 2:39 AM |
It's a WASPy suburb, not so much old money anymore, but it's often lumped together with predominantly Jewish Scarsdale as the two towns in southern Westchester with good public schools and easy commutes that transplanted executives might want to consider.
Babs' alma mater, Rye Country Day is very Jewish and has been for about 30+ years
by Anonymous | reply 9 | April 22, 2018 2:44 AM |
And OP, they were making a big deal of it because (a) people don't generally realize Mrs. Bush was born and raised just outside NYC, and (b) it was a posh suburb in the 1920s and 30s at a time when there weren't a whole lot of suburbs, posh or otherwise. Her father was a prominent magazine publisher, IIRC
by Anonymous | reply 10 | April 22, 2018 2:45 AM |
It was like Greenwich CT - super rich WASPy. Now just rich - hedge fund guys, lawyers, no social elite- just money.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | April 22, 2018 2:46 AM |
Rye is next to Pumpernickel.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | April 22, 2018 2:50 AM |
The other notable thing about Rye, like many older old money suburbs is that the houses, which were considered quite mansion-like in their day, seem relatively tiny by today's McMansion standards. The hedge fund guys and lawyers that R11 refers to frequently do gut renovations and major expansions to bring them up to today's standards
by Anonymous | reply 13 | April 22, 2018 2:51 AM |
Nothing. They filmed a scene from some lame remake of Play Misty for Me at the amusement park there. Big whoop.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | April 22, 2018 2:58 AM |
I grew up near there. Wish I didn't. There's nothing special about it. Never was. 😑
by Anonymous | reply 15 | April 22, 2018 3:07 AM |
It was a fave of old money. Some Rockefellers there. No more, tho
by Anonymous | reply 16 | April 22, 2018 3:08 AM |
It was a location in "Mad Men" . Betty and Henry Francis lived in Rye.
Rumaki?
by Anonymous | reply 17 | April 22, 2018 3:18 AM |
as noted, like greenwich, used to be old money, understated waspy, with a lot of civic pride. now overrun with asshole investment bankers and obnoxious hedge fund douches and their anorexic, over-caffeinated entitled blond bimbo wives.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | April 22, 2018 3:45 AM |
It's where Greg Berlanti is from. And didn't Rosie live there for a while?
by Anonymous | reply 19 | April 22, 2018 4:09 AM |
How does Rye compare to Millbrook, NY?
They both seem like very nice, upscale communities, but which one is a better place to live?
I get a WASPY vibe from both places.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | April 22, 2018 4:12 AM |
Rye is much more of a commuter town, as it's 40 minutes from NYC. MIllbank is more of a weekend place or for the idle, as it's more of hike.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | April 22, 2018 4:14 AM |
[quote]used to be old money, understated waspy, with a lot of civic pride. now overrun with asshole investment bankers and obnoxious hedge fund douches and their anorexic, over-caffeinated entitled blond bimbo wives.
In all seriousness, is old money dead? Where is it? Where do they live?
by Anonymous | reply 22 | April 22, 2018 4:44 AM |
Millbank or Millbrook?
by Anonymous | reply 23 | April 22, 2018 4:46 AM |
yes, old money died, see. a. r. gurney
by Anonymous | reply 24 | April 22, 2018 4:50 AM |
Old money died a slow death. Starting 1982 with rise of New Wall St money. Then by 2000+ Tech new money was the nail in the coffin. And the hyper consumer culture combined with increased wealth of 1% means a $10 million trust fund can no longer buy a life of leisure and most likely can’t survive more than a generation.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | April 22, 2018 4:56 AM |
[quote] In all seriousness, is old money dead? Where is it? Where do they live?
Anderson Cooper believes it is. Did Glo Vanderbilt not get as much as everyone believed or was it squandered away on her living expenses? Or is Anderson really very rich and just plays it down?
I also wonder how much inflation ate into old money? You see all those estates in England that can't pay their bills, so they let tv shows like Downton Abbey film there and they give tours, etc. They used to have money to run those places. Did inflation eat their money?
by Anonymous | reply 26 | April 22, 2018 12:34 PM |
Poor investments. Marrying poor. Yep, that's the coffin nail.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | April 22, 2018 1:04 PM |
Interesting about the disappearance of "old money."
I never even thought about it, until it was brought up in this thread.
Looks like today's rich people are merely nouveau riche, and lack any sort of good breeding that goes along with wealth.
Barbara Bush probably felt the same way.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | April 22, 2018 2:48 PM |
spawning children who could't carry on the growth of wealth, squandering more than they contributed. estates spread out and dissipated over the years.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | April 22, 2018 5:39 PM |
Westport just wasn't the same once they started letting "show people" in.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | April 22, 2018 8:09 PM |
in westport it was "those people" been downhill ever since
by Anonymous | reply 31 | April 23, 2018 12:26 AM |
R28 has never met old money people in their lives. Old money people are the rudest, bitchiest, laziest people in the world. They're often paralytically stupid too, because they have no reason to be good at anything. Let's not even start exploring their racism and inability to mingle with anyone not exactly like themselves. Breeding? Yes, they have it in their horses.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 23, 2018 2:19 AM |
It's where The Catcher is
by Anonymous | reply 33 | April 23, 2018 2:27 AM |
Funny how no one and nowhere ever measures up to the lofty and harsh DL standards! Anderson Cooper is certainly rich, or rich enough anyway. His net worth is estimated at or over $100M online in multiple sources. His salary is $11M or $12M from CNN's AC 360*. He has additional income from books he has written, specials he hosts, as well as his work for 60 minutes. Westchester is still VERY nice, and conveniently close to NYC. I have a close friend looking for a home there to escape NYC. (Yes, a "Wall Streeter, but with taste) There are many beautiful homes, and they are BIG ENOUGH even for modern standards. Could DL's be any more unrealistic? We shall see!
by Anonymous | reply 35 | April 23, 2018 3:14 AM |
Given Anderson's fuck pads in Brazil and Chelsea, I seriously doubt he's in the market for an 80 year old tudor in westchester where his "wife" will join the Junior League, Hospital Auxiliary and Garden Club and he hops into the volvo wagon and catches the 8:20 every morning to GCT.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | April 23, 2018 3:21 AM |
Never said that R36. I was responding tonthe poster claiming AC did not SEEM rich, and to the other generalising all "Old Money Types" were dead broke or out of the running.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | April 23, 2018 3:28 AM |
Oh, both of those were you R36! Funny that!
by Anonymous | reply 38 | April 23, 2018 3:29 AM |
Babs was actually born in Queens - so she was an NYC gal - and an outer boro one at that!
by Anonymous | reply 39 | April 23, 2018 3:41 AM |
Old money is no money.
They are all broke assholes.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | April 23, 2018 3:46 AM |
Rye is so rich, it makes Chappaqua look like the poor house
by Anonymous | reply 41 | April 23, 2018 3:49 AM |
R40 I think I may have seen you post that same phrase here before?
by Anonymous | reply 42 | April 23, 2018 3:51 AM |
trashy arrivistes
by Anonymous | reply 43 | April 23, 2018 3:52 AM |
R42 I did post it before. But it true.
"OLD MONEY IS NO MONEY"
by Anonymous | reply 44 | April 23, 2018 4:44 AM |
A friend of mine who comes old money that ran out during his generation says he's "nouveau poor".
And nobody cares any more who your grandparents or great-grandparents are. 50+ years ago you could only get your engagement announced in the NY Times if you came from old money. ("Muffie Astor - Randolph DuPont IV engagement"
Now it's all about wealth, not background. Most of the NYT engagements now are primarily high level corporate players or children of high level corporate players. ("Ms. Nelson is a Sr Director at JP Morgan Bank and Mr Thompson is CEO of Coca Cola Corporation. ") The days of the WASPs ruling the social roost/govt are over and meritocracy is the order of the day. (But I do find it depressing to see so many reality stars with so much wealth that they earned by dumbing down America.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | April 23, 2018 5:18 AM |
Which is nicer Rye or Rye Brook? I knew a super rich JAP in college who was from Rye Brook.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | April 23, 2018 5:25 AM |
It sounds like a place those dreadful hillbillies would infiltrate
by Anonymous | reply 47 | April 23, 2018 5:37 AM |
R47 WASPS are hillbillies. Their just more refined versions of their lesser counter parts. But at the end of the day their all trashy assholes.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | April 23, 2018 6:42 AM |
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by Anonymous | reply 49 | April 23, 2018 10:33 AM |
I grew up in Rhinebeck back when it was a sleepy little village - there were a handful of NYC escapees around but they were mainly artists.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | April 23, 2018 11:37 AM |
Don't forget Anderson's Lustschloss at the end of Long Island.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | April 23, 2018 11:45 AM |
I love those old guard Westchester towns. Great houses, stone walls. Very elegant.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | April 23, 2018 11:56 AM |
In the late 1960's my newly married and newly rich parents got steered away from Rye and towards Scarsdale by several realtors. "Rye is for the goyim. You'll be more comfortable in Scarsdale."
The brokers were right. They are still there, 50 years later!
by Anonymous | reply 53 | April 23, 2018 12:34 PM |
I grew up in Rye in the 50s-early 60s. It was a really nice place to live--lots of huge old trees, a shoreline on L.I. Sound. I think it's changed a lot demographically, but it still looks more or less the same--just less sleepy.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | April 23, 2018 2:58 PM |
Is it a leave it to beaver father knows best WASP type neighborhood?
by Anonymous | reply 55 | April 23, 2018 3:09 PM |
r55 I got the feeling that those places were not suburbs, but rather small stand-alone mid-western towns.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | April 23, 2018 3:33 PM |
[quote] Is it a leave it to beaver father knows best WASP type neighborhood?
Exact same homes as Rye, except with a two million dollar price difference.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | April 23, 2018 3:53 PM |
OP- so when bios of Mrs Bush say she was raised in Rye, NY a big deal is being made of the town? I think it's just reporting myself.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | April 23, 2018 4:56 PM |
I don't know why anyone's making a big deal of this. It's certainly a lovely small town, and even lovelier when she was growing up, but it's not significant or remarkable in any way except as a signifier for family wealth and good breeding. Oh, wait.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | April 23, 2018 5:47 PM |
I dated a beautiful Jewess from Scarsdale in college.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | April 23, 2018 7:56 PM |
Old money usually dies over time as the original fortune gets divided up among an increasing number of descendants. That why the British gave everything to the oldest son and the other children could join the army or the ministry or marry well
by Anonymous | reply 61 | April 23, 2018 8:10 PM |
"people don't generally realize Mrs. Bush was born and raised just outside NYC, and (b) it was a posh suburb in the 1920s and 30s..."
Rye, like Scarsdale and many of the others before the 1940s, were restricted. No Jews. When I grew up in Westchester in the 1960s, it was Jewish heaven. In the 80s, Japanese. Now? Hedge fund people. My family wouldn't be able to afford it - the real estate or the TAXES.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | April 23, 2018 8:18 PM |
My good friend from college was from Chappaqua. Bunch of Irish drunks.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | April 23, 2018 9:37 PM |
R26
Nah. World Wars One and Two and the taxes needed to pay for them.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | April 23, 2018 10:53 PM |
I thought it was more new money Jews there now.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | April 24, 2018 12:09 AM |
They're more likely to be in Scarsdale or the estate section of New Rochelle, or maybe in Harrison. Rye is still pretty stuffy episcopalian.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | April 24, 2018 12:15 AM |
For crissakes it's always been second tier. But this house is much admired by architectural historians.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | April 24, 2018 12:15 AM |
really? then what's first tier in your estimation?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | April 24, 2018 12:17 AM |
My grandmother had a house like it on the sound in CT. Half the porch was screened in. It was our sleeping porch in the summer. The first time I heard cats fucking I didn't know what I was hearing. I ran to my pot-head uncle - he said "it's cats fucking" and then something about homosexuals do well to sleep with boxing gloves on. It seemed like a stream of consciousness connection.
The floors upstairs sloped in odd directions. There were 2 suicides way in the past but my father was forbidden to tell us who and in what rooms.
I didn't like this one hall on the main floor. Rooms opened on either side through french glass doors, which had muslim curtains that were creepily see through - but just indistinct shapes and shadows.
I watched Exorcist alone in that house and it wasn't a pleasant evening.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | April 24, 2018 12:22 AM |
Which era in history, R68? And we are restricted to commuter towns? Obviously the better towns - you'd make it over the line to CT so Greenwich, Westport, etc. And North shore Long Island mansions held on to WWII - close to the city - not the Hamptons which were never commuter towns in the olden days. Suburban NJ had hunt country.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | April 24, 2018 12:27 AM |
Well, I was thinking of commuter towns in Westchester/CT simply because the original context was Rye. If you want to broaden it, I'd agree that there are parts of Long Island (not the Hamptons--I'm thinking of Manhasset), northern NJ and even down around Princeton that are contenders, and still arguably commuter towns.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | April 24, 2018 12:34 AM |
Agreed.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | April 24, 2018 12:39 AM |
nothing really special about Rye among tony Northeast suburbs, but noting the changes between the 30's and 40's when La Cuntessa lived there and now gave rise to speculation about the decline of the "old money" wasp aristocracy of her time and the polyglot nouveau riche of today, a topic that seems perfect for DL
by Anonymous | reply 73 | April 24, 2018 12:43 AM |
Rye, NY remembers Barbara Bush.
It seems like a quaint little town.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | April 24, 2018 1:20 AM |
[quote]They're more likely to be in Scarsdale or the estate section of New Rochelle, or maybe in Harrison. Rye is still pretty stuffy episcopalian.
Totally wrong R66, you need to read up on the decline of the wasps, there are more Jews in Rye than observant Protestants
tRELIGION OVERVIEW t64.90% of the people in Rye (zip 10580), New York are religious, meaning they affiliate with a religion. 46.95% are Catholic; 0.35% are LDS; 1.94% are another Christian faith; 5.22% are Jewish; 0.80% are an eastern faith; 1.46% affilitates with Islam.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | April 24, 2018 1:45 AM |
r46, Rye Brook uses the 10573 ZIP code, which is really for Port Chester. That's where the help lives. This alone tells me it's not nicer than Rye 10580.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | April 24, 2018 1:58 AM |
Barbara Pierce wasn't top drawer.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | April 24, 2018 9:12 AM |
Rye Brook is the corned beef to Rye's bread. Port Chester is squeezy yellow mustard.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | April 24, 2018 3:31 PM |
Port Chester is the little spot of green mold you scraped off the bread. Really not a nice place.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | April 24, 2018 3:37 PM |
Why Dataloungers have this bizarre idea that towns and cities and schools and universities must be sorted and ranked is one thing I will never, ever understand.
You are the most insecure people I have ever known in my life.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | April 24, 2018 3:41 PM |
it's not inherent to DL, r80. There are dozens of listings and rankings -- best place to live, safest place to live, best public and private schools, etc. FYI, according to a new ranking, Rye is reported as the 55th safest city.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | April 24, 2018 3:50 PM |
I wonder what the cultured residents of Rye think of the people who go to the Amusement Park....
by Anonymous | reply 82 | April 24, 2018 4:08 PM |
R80, DL is the yearbook club of politics, news, and pointless bitchery. And, also, too, your Keds do your cankles no favors.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | April 24, 2018 4:10 PM |
I know it's not quite an NY suburb but if I had to live in any of these places it would be Princeton. Has some of the most gorgeous estates (there's one on the market now that looks like Palm Beach it's insane) and unlike most of these suburbs it all has a great town.
Prices are absolutely untouchable now which I guess surprised me given its distance from NY. Only Greenwich is as expensive. But I prefer Princeton any day.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | April 24, 2018 4:12 PM |
[quote]I wonder what the cultured residents of Rye think of the people who go to the Amusement Park...
"the people in ... here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this, this is working very well for them"
by Anonymous | reply 85 | April 24, 2018 4:16 PM |
There's nothing to do in Princeton. It is incredibly dull--it's just a wealthy exurb of NYC. The richest people who live there commute to work in the city by helicopter.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | April 24, 2018 4:16 PM |
[quote] Old money people are the rudest, bitchiest, laziest people in the world. They're often paralytically stupid too, because they have no reason to be good at anything. Let's not even start exploring their racism and inability to mingle with anyone not exactly like themselves. Breeding? Yes, they have it in their horses.
We think you're a total cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | April 24, 2018 4:18 PM |
Princeton may be dull, but it's perfectly beautiful, and if you can afford to live in the estate areas you can afford to get into the city for amusement--just as you can if you live in Rye.
Btw, as far as I know there is still a separate road called Playland Parkway that whisks the hoi polloi from the interstate or the local Post Road directly to Playland without encroaching on the locals at all.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | April 24, 2018 4:19 PM |
[quote]and if you can afford to live in the estate areas you can afford to get into the city for amusement--just as you can if you live in Rye.
But it's much, much further away from NYC (or any other city) than Rye is.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | April 24, 2018 4:21 PM |
It's because the people who live there are so wry.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | April 24, 2018 4:21 PM |
R69, what are Muslim curtains?
Do you mean muslin?
by Anonymous | reply 91 | April 24, 2018 4:24 PM |
That was really clever, r91.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | April 24, 2018 4:24 PM |
70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation
by Anonymous | reply 93 | April 24, 2018 4:25 PM |
r88, Playland Parkway still exists. The last time I went to Playland was at least a dozen years ago. The people who go there are fine, everyone just wants to have fun. It's the people who work there though! I don't know if they are employed as part of a prison-work release program or a methadone clinic program but the people I encountered didn't seem capable of operating a soda fountain let alone operating a ride. The park is owned by the county and loses money every year. A private developer tried to buy it during the recession and the preservationists rallied and stopped that from happening. It really is a historic landmark and the architecture is gorgeous. But it's also sitting on waterfront property worth mega millions.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | April 24, 2018 4:28 PM |
Westchester Country club is in Rye. Where is that in the hierarchy of NE clubs? Was it ever restricted?
Even though I prefer Westchester it always does seem Long Island had the more exclusive clubs. Maybe because the beaches are so much nicer (Westchester beaches SUCK).
by Anonymous | reply 95 | April 24, 2018 4:29 PM |
[quote]Princeton may be dull...
it's all relative, but I didn't find it so
by Anonymous | reply 96 | April 24, 2018 4:33 PM |
r93, old money usually comes with an ingrained work ethic, and appreciation of privilege and opportunities, that hasn't had a chance to develop among the new money set.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | April 24, 2018 4:35 PM |
"old money" usually had something of a social conscience and a need to "give back" (possibly with some guilt over how they attained their wealth). the nouveaus tend more to be Take Take Take More...I got mine...fuck you.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | April 24, 2018 4:39 PM |
Princeton is nice - but it’s barely a NYC suburb. Maybe for North Jersey workers. As close to Philly as NYC. Westchester County - including Rye - and Fairfield County are the best suburbs in general. Much more consistent stone and classic architecture. Long Island and Jersey have way too much post-war trash architecture.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | April 24, 2018 4:45 PM |
Most (but not all) of Westchester and Fairfield are pretty classic, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Jersey (see Princeton, Peapack, Morristown, Westfield, Summit) and Long Island (see Manhasset and surrounding).
by Anonymous | reply 100 | April 24, 2018 4:50 PM |
R98, that philanthropy of which you speak was a direct response to threats from anarchists and was borrowed from the Jews.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | April 24, 2018 4:51 PM |
r101, philanthropy can also be a direct response to the tax code. Why give it to the government when you can pick and choose your charities, thus lowering your taxable income.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | April 24, 2018 4:53 PM |
Authentic Rye Bread and fabulous Caraway- Swiss Cheese.
Add your own corned beef (8oz. per sandwich) along with three slices of the caraway swiss, 1/2 cup of sauerkraut, lots of creamy Dijon mustard, coleslaw , and a big ol' dill pickle. Grill sandwich in lots of butter, serve with fries, chips, and extra pickles on the side on the side.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | April 24, 2018 4:56 PM |
The town in "[italic]a Letter to Three Wives[/italic]" is supposedly Rye.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | April 24, 2018 5:07 PM |
The amusement park in Big is supposedly Rye Playland.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | April 24, 2018 5:13 PM |
r95, Westchester Country Club is fine; don't know whether it was ever restricted. It's hard to rank private clubs in the area; probably because of restrictions the clubs developed along religious/ethnic lines, so it's often a matter of which is the "best Jewish" or "best Catholic" (even then, there're Italian and Irish clubs). There are no longer bright lines, but there were some when I was growing up. Overall, if you're talking about golf clubs, I think Winged Foot is still the gold standard; if you're talking about yacht clubs, Larchmont Yacht Club still ranks high; if you're talking about the ubiquitous beach clubs, they're all very nice but I wouldn't know how to rank them.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | April 24, 2018 5:18 PM |
Bedford seems to be the place to live these days. Too far from the city to be considered?
by Anonymous | reply 107 | April 24, 2018 5:31 PM |
[quote] [R93], old money usually comes with an ingrained work ethic, and appreciation of privilege and opportunities, that hasn't had a chance to develop among the new money set.
Right because the people who never had to work for anything have an "ingrained work ethic" and appreciation for hard work, "privilege and opportunties"; that people who had to actually work and earn their money simply don't have.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | April 24, 2018 5:52 PM |
Bedford and Katonah are lovely r107, an hour from NYC, compared to 30 minutes from Rye. However, the area is less dense. A lot of celebrities live there. (Oh, and that incident with Blake Lively livid that paparazzi got photos of her daughter at Martha Stewart's Easter egg hunt? Either Blake or Ryan Reynolds tipped off the paparazzi. Again. They are being shunned as a result. Again.)
by Anonymous | reply 109 | April 24, 2018 5:56 PM |
r108, I know plenty of old money people. They all work. Every generation of their family has worked. It's the new money people who don't go to school or work, don't instill value in either, and their money only lasts a generation or two, if that long.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | April 24, 2018 6:00 PM |
[quote] [R108], I know plenty of old money people. They all work. Every generation of their family has worked. It's the new money people who don't go to school or work, don't instill value in either, and their money only lasts a generation or two, if that long.
Silly generalization based upon anecdotal evidence.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | April 24, 2018 6:14 PM |
Article outlines the difference between old money and new money. I especially like this:
Investing —“People with significant assets tend to be wary. If they still have money, it’s because they have been careful about it,” a retired portfolio manager in Martha’s Vineyard explained about Old Money attitudes. Old Money — Capital preservation while keeping up with inflation is their primary objective. They are a steward of the family’s wealth for future generations. New Money —“You must speculate to accumulate.” (anonymous)
by Anonymous | reply 112 | April 24, 2018 6:21 PM |
Rye isn't too far from Crouton on Hudson
by Anonymous | reply 113 | April 24, 2018 6:33 PM |
OP, as far as I can tell, you know very little about the world.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | April 24, 2018 6:38 PM |
good one, r113.
If we're going to consider Princeton and all of Fairfield, we can consider Katonah/Bedford.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | April 24, 2018 7:03 PM |
R106, Yes, many of the clubs in Westchester and Greenwich were once restricted. It may be slowly changing, but the clubs are still restricted somewhat. They may have the token Jewish member or two, but they remain overwhelmingly "Christian."
Winged Foot may be the gold standard, but Donald Trump was a member there. In Palm Beach, the Everglades and Palm Beach B&T refused to even consider him. They are both still restricted. Trump created his own club at Mar-a-Lago (across Ocean Ave from the B&T), and the Jewish club is the Palm Beach Country Club on the northern side of the island
by Anonymous | reply 116 | April 24, 2018 7:23 PM |
r95, Westchester Country Club didn't have a black member before 1990, which is when the PGA said they would not host any tours at restricted clubs. WCC brought on two black members after that. Even by the time Tiger Woods first played there there were only a handful of black members.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | April 24, 2018 7:28 PM |
I am astounded that Winged Foot let Trump in. On a full membership or just golfing privileges?
by Anonymous | reply 118 | April 24, 2018 7:38 PM |
He is a full member at Winged Foot. But the members won't hang his portrait in the clubhouse.
Fun fact: Trump National in Briarcliff is the only private club that would accept Bill Clinton as a member.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | April 24, 2018 7:46 PM |
Shiny Sheet article from 1999 about Palm Beach clubs dissing tacky Trump and his nouveau Mar-a-Lago.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | April 24, 2018 7:47 PM |
Shame on Winged Foot. That's very funny about Clinton--looks like he found his level.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | April 24, 2018 7:51 PM |
I forgot to add that Rush Limbaugh belongs to the Everglades in Palm Beach. Wouldn't his radio audience love that! Their "Everyman" hero belongs to the most exclusive club in the nation! Ha! What hypocrisy!
by Anonymous | reply 122 | April 24, 2018 8:04 PM |
How are these worms managing membership in these places; the process is excruciating and calculated to stop people like this at the front door.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | April 24, 2018 8:10 PM |
R21 "Millbank"
The model for Mountebank, the home of WASP Gloria Upson in "Auntie Mame"?
by Anonymous | reply 124 | April 24, 2018 8:14 PM |
r123, Trump has been a member at Winged Foot since 1969.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | April 24, 2018 8:15 PM |
really? well, the earth continues to spin on its axis--although i'm not entirely sure why.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | April 24, 2018 8:18 PM |
Winged Foot in Mouth?
by Anonymous | reply 127 | April 24, 2018 8:19 PM |
Winged Foot in the grave?
by Anonymous | reply 128 | April 24, 2018 9:21 PM |
Why, it's right next to Darien!
by Anonymous | reply 129 | April 24, 2018 9:42 PM |
[quote]Westchester Country club is in Rye. Where is that in the hierarchy of NE clubs? Was it ever restricted?
Definitely restricted-- no Datalounge members allowed!
by Anonymous | reply 130 | April 24, 2018 10:01 PM |
The last of crusty Episcopalianism: The Apawamis Club in Rye. Tradition, old families, old money.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | April 24, 2018 10:15 PM |
[quote] 70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation
Tell me about it!
by Anonymous | reply 132 | April 24, 2018 10:18 PM |
My cousin is from Scarsdale. Westchester is very Jewish. Chappaqua and Rye are quite Jewish as well. Perhaps Rye was a WASP suburb with no Jews country clubs when Barbara was a kid, but things change.
The WASPS left NY to the Jews and moved north to New England. Every WASP over 80 lives in Maine, Rhode Island, NH, Vermont, or Mass.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | April 24, 2018 10:21 PM |
I live in Westchester and don’t know any Jews here.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | April 24, 2018 10:22 PM |
R134, how is that possible?
by Anonymous | reply 135 | April 24, 2018 10:24 PM |
not the case when I was a kid, but by the time my younger siblings were in school the schools closed for the major jewish holidays. Pointless to keep them open when more than half the kids would be out.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | April 24, 2018 10:27 PM |
"What's so special about Rye"
I always assumed there are lots of Catchers in the Rye.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | April 24, 2018 10:31 PM |
R135 we hang out with mostly other gay couples, none are Jewish. Still, none of our neighbors or local acquaintances are.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | April 24, 2018 10:37 PM |
r133 The statistics at R75 contradict your assessment of the Jewish-ness of Rye. 5% ain't much.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | April 24, 2018 11:04 PM |
Oops yeah muslin not Muslim. They were not this sheer. Really it was creepy.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | April 24, 2018 11:25 PM |
Scarsdale, Chappaqua and Armonk have a large concentration of Jewish residents. They also have the best public school districts.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | April 24, 2018 11:46 PM |
r134, you've never been to the north end of New Rochelle then. They even have found a way to have the police give them individual escorts across North Avenue during the Sabbath. Apparently they're too good to rely on traffic lights and walk/don't walk signs.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | April 24, 2018 11:57 PM |
"They"?
by Anonymous | reply 143 | April 25, 2018 12:01 AM |
There is a nice yacht club in, wow, Bridgeport. It's in the enclave of Black Rock, which is a lovely little community on the sound. Who would know? My great-grandfather built a beautiful stone house in Black Rock about 100 years ago, I guess. I had the pleasure to know him for about 10 years of my life. He had a sister who was in love with a catholic. So she wouldn't marry him. She lived her entire life in sin therefore. He gave her jewels every year, as he was a jeweller. I used to love looking through her jewel box and that of my grandmother as my great great auntie gave her most of of the gifts.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | April 25, 2018 12:06 AM |
Is that her house OP?
by Anonymous | reply 145 | April 25, 2018 12:12 AM |
Isn't Black Rock part of Westport?
by Anonymous | reply 146 | April 25, 2018 12:18 AM |
Surprisingly not R146.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | April 25, 2018 12:21 AM |
My working class uncle had a beach shack in Fairfield - I had fun there. Fairfield and then Southport before Westport, from Bridgeport.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | April 25, 2018 12:23 AM |
[quote] My working class uncle had a beach shack in Fairfield - I had fun there.
Tell us more!
by Anonymous | reply 149 | April 25, 2018 12:25 AM |
surprising indeed, r147. i stand corrected.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | April 25, 2018 12:25 AM |
He was a dirty cop in Bridgeport r149. Use to confiscate fireworks and give them to us. He was a HUGE handsome irishman, scary but kindhearted to kids. My aunt married down but I can see why.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | April 25, 2018 12:39 AM |
R106 here yeah the reason I asked is because I went to a WASPy private all girls school in NY and an even WASPier boarding school - I had been to or at the very least heard of all the WASPy clubs in of course NY, Long Island (Hamptons, Locust Valley and yes Lawrence which many don't realize), PB, Hobe Sound, Fisher Island, Greenwich, Newport , Maine, even New Jersey (DL fave Mark Gilbertson is from Rumson as he'll make a point to tell you, there's also the Seabright club)...the reason I mention all these is not to be annoying but to make a point that with all of these clubs I had never heard of one in Westchester until I met my significant other (Jewish, by the way) and he and his family are members. He always claims it's a WASPy club but compared to these others I mentioned I don't quite believe it...
by Anonymous | reply 152 | April 25, 2018 6:21 AM |
R152 because you didn't know about it doesn't mean they don't exist.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | April 25, 2018 10:52 AM |
137, getting the Jewish holidays off from school was due to the teachers union successfully negotiating them as paid time off.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | April 25, 2018 11:20 AM |
I had Jewish holidays off in my NJ public school in the '60s.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | April 25, 2018 11:30 AM |
Really, r152? Which club is that?
by Anonymous | reply 156 | April 25, 2018 12:14 PM |
Michael Bloomberg resigned from the Century Club, a predominantly Jewish country club in Purchase (near Rye) before he ran for Mayor because he felt it was too Jewish, and excluded non-Jews from becoming members. A couple of years ago after he left office, he rejoined and nominated his daughters for membership.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | April 25, 2018 1:26 PM |
There are plenty of self-identified Jewish clubs in and around Westchester. I doubt they affirmatively exclude non-Jews, but they may discourage such applications. These clubs exist because Jews were not considered "clubbable" by the memberships of most country clubs.
Anyway, this is not big news. Of all the sins committed by politicians, resigning from a private club to avoid appearances is barely noteworthy. I don't think Bloomberg has otherwise pretended he isn't Jewish.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | April 25, 2018 1:42 PM |
Princeton may well be considered a NYC suburb now. According to this study, among people who commute into NYC for work, 1 in 15 has a 90 minute or longer commute.
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