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'Throw out' all romaine lettuce, CDC advises, as E. coli warning expands

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has updated their warning about a multistate outbreak of E. coli. Formerly linked to just chopped romaine lettuce, the agency has expanded their recommendation to throw away all romaine lettuce — including whole heads of romaine and hearts of romaine, plus chopped romaine and salad mixes containing romaine lettuce — from the Yuma, Arizona growing region.

“Do not buy or eat romaine lettuce at a grocery store or restaurant unless you can confirm it is not from the Yuma, Arizona, growing region,” the agency warned, going on to state that, “Unless the source of the product is known, consumers anywhere in the United States who have any store-bought romaine lettuce at home should not eat it and should throw it away, even if some of it was eaten and no one has gotten sick.”

If you have chopped lettuce in your refrigerator and you are not sure if it is romaine, you should still throw it away, the CDC says.

The expanded warning is based on information from newly reported illnesses in Alaska, who reported eating lettuce from whole heads of romaine lettuce from the Yuma, Arizona growing region. At least 53 people have gotten sick from eating contaminated lettuce since March 31, and 31 of them were hospitalized for illnesses linked to the lettuce. Five of them developed a type of potentially life-threatening kidney failure.

The lettuce seems to be coming from the Yuma, Ariz., region, and it is specifically contaminated with E. coli O157:H7. E. coli generally causes severe stomach cramps, diarrhea that is often bloody, and vomiting; it may also cause a fever. Like many other food-borne illnesses, some infections are mild, whereas others can be dangerous.

Recalls of bagged greens seem to be happening often lately. In mid-April, more than 8,700 pounds of bagged ready-to-eat salads were recalled due to possible E. coli contamination. In December, the CDC warned of a multistate outbreak of E. coli linked to leafy greens, and in October, the FDA issued a recall of several types of salad kits due to potential listeria contamination.

This raises a bigger question: Is it safe to eat these products? A few things about bagged greens make them slightly risky, food safety expert Darin Detwiler, PhD, director of the Regulatory Affairs of Food and Food Industry program at Northeastern University, tells Yahoo Lifestyle. One is that people typically do not wash bagged lettuce or cook it; washing could lower the risk that these pathogens would be passed on. (However, Detwiler points out that even washing your greens does not guarantee getting rid of food-borne pathogens.)

Bagged greens are also handled more than lettuce and other greens you find in your grocery store’s produce aisle — and that exposes the bagged greens to potential contamination, Elliot T. Ryser, PhD, a professor in the Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition at Michigan State University, tells Yahoo Lifestyle. His research has found that E. coli can “readily transfer” during processing leafy greens. Even though sanitizer is used in this processing, it is not 100 percent effective in getting rid of the spread of E. coli, he says.

Although eating greens that have not gone through this processing step may lower your risk slightly, ultimately, eating raw fruits and vegetables, in general, comes with some risk, Benjamin Chapman, PhD, an associate professor and food safety extension specialist at North Carolina State University, tells Yahoo Lifestyle. If you are immunocompromised, it might be better to cook your greens before eating them, he says. For everyone else, you are probably OK to keep doing what you’re doing. “The likelihood of becoming ill from fresh-cut produce is still extremely low,” Ryser says.

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by Anonymousreply 300December 20, 2018 1:16 AM

This sucks.

I love romaine lettuce.

by Anonymousreply 1April 20, 2018 10:44 PM

I just got back from Costco with five heads of it. Fuck.

by Anonymousreply 2April 20, 2018 10:46 PM

You have to be careful at restaurants and salad bars too, people.

Better safe than sorry.

by Anonymousreply 3April 20, 2018 10:48 PM

Are Icebergs affected too?

by Anonymousreply 4April 20, 2018 10:59 PM

Whelp, my box of lettuce that I bought at Whole Foods went straight into the trash.

I usually have a salad a day during my work-week. Fuck, I'm going to have to brainstorm a low-carb alternative.

by Anonymousreply 5April 20, 2018 11:02 PM

Too late - last week I already had a bad reaction to a package of romaine salad mix from Sam's Club. It was immediate, and there was no mistaking the cause, but it was over with by next morning. (Considering what E. Coli can do to a person, I was exceedingly lucky.) A couple of days later I got the automated call from Sam's announcing the recall.

by Anonymousreply 6April 20, 2018 11:08 PM

Wonderful. I just had some a few hours ago. Oh, well. Thanks for the heads up. Bloody fecal for the weekend.

by Anonymousreply 7April 20, 2018 11:47 PM

I only eat iceberg with blue cheese dressing.

by Anonymousreply 8April 20, 2018 11:54 PM

When farm workers uses a lettuce bed as their toilet, processing the lettuce spreads the workers' fecal material even more.

by Anonymousreply 9April 20, 2018 11:55 PM

Ok I'll bite, are any lettice types safer than others, R9? I'm hoping it's iceberg.

by Anonymousreply 10April 20, 2018 11:57 PM

This only affects romaine from Yuma AZ. The romaine I buy is from California. So, check the source.

by Anonymousreply 11April 21, 2018 12:13 AM

R11, I'm in North Texas, and got a bad package of romaine mix, and the recall notification from Sam's Club.

by Anonymousreply 12April 21, 2018 12:16 AM

Another article said throw away bagged lettuce. I never understood the appeal of pre-cut vegetables.

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by Anonymousreply 13April 21, 2018 12:23 AM

R5 there are other kinds of lettuce.

by Anonymousreply 14April 21, 2018 12:38 AM

I just bought a tub of lettuce from Publix. Is there danger? The lettuce display was fully stocked!

by Anonymousreply 15April 21, 2018 12:49 AM

These CDC alerts are so helpful. When was the last time you saw lettuce balled with where it was grown?

by Anonymousreply 16April 21, 2018 1:05 AM

WE ATE POOP!!!! R9

by Anonymousreply 17April 21, 2018 1:08 AM

Didn't this happen about two months ago with romaine from California?

[quote] When farm workers uses a lettuce bed as their toilet, processing the lettuce spreads the workers' fecal material even more.

Omg! Imagine what they wipe with!

by Anonymousreply 18April 21, 2018 1:09 AM

Dammit! We just purchased Iceberg lettuce today for our Saturday Night Taco Party.

In addition to delicious Margaritas and other colorful drinkie-poos, we were to serve crispy Taco salads and Taco Salad rollups, with all the fixings. Now, skipping ALL lettuce. (Don't want to become ill; plus, for some reason, the word 'litigation' makes us nervous.)

by Anonymousreply 19April 21, 2018 1:13 AM

Iceberg lettuce has no nutritional value. I only eat romaine, but haven’t gone near any since this scare started several months ago.

by Anonymousreply 20April 21, 2018 1:17 AM

Has Hedda weighed in?

by Anonymousreply 21April 21, 2018 1:20 AM

[quote]Are Icebergs affected too?

We certainly hope so.

by Anonymousreply 22April 21, 2018 1:24 AM

Just checked my lettuce tub. Spring Mix. It contains romaine amongst the ingredients but says "Fresh from Florida" on the label. I'm good then, since none of the lettuce came from Yuma. Whew.

by Anonymousreply 23April 21, 2018 1:28 AM

R22 wins the Internet

by Anonymousreply 24April 21, 2018 1:28 AM

Erna is stocking up as we speak.

by Anonymousreply 25April 21, 2018 1:32 AM

Damn, I just bought a salad at Whole Foods.

by Anonymousreply 26April 21, 2018 1:34 AM

There goes my Arugula-Pancetta-Provolone-Kalamata-Pasta (spiral) salad I'd planned to prepare.

Ain't touching arugula or scallions this season. What about cucumbers and tomatoes and spinach???

by Anonymousreply 27April 21, 2018 1:44 AM

R27, you can substitute fried sausage or ground beef for the romaine.

by Anonymousreply 28April 21, 2018 1:46 AM

I could tolerate Butterhead/Boston, R20, but it's too lettucey for me. I hate green vegetables although I will eat pickles.

by Anonymousreply 29April 21, 2018 2:00 AM

CDC is currently report 31 people have been hospitalized, 5 of which have symptoms of acute kidney failure.

by Anonymousreply 30April 21, 2018 2:12 AM

R27 - why? Do you know something the CDC doesn't?

by Anonymousreply 31April 21, 2018 2:30 AM

Soak the romaine in a gallon of water with a cup of vinegar. I do that to ALL salad.

Strain and stick it in the fridge for a few hours, or use a salad spinner.

by Anonymousreply 32April 21, 2018 2:50 AM

Well Trump's safe.

by Anonymousreply 33April 21, 2018 3:00 AM

How does lettuce get E. Coli?

by Anonymousreply 34April 21, 2018 5:32 AM

You bought and then have to throw it away? No recall where you get your money back? What a rip-off.

by Anonymousreply 35April 21, 2018 5:53 AM

Here is the remedy

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by Anonymousreply 36April 21, 2018 5:56 AM

R34, the last time there was a huge outbreak, it was traced to cow dung. Apparently some of the water used for the lettuce was contaminated.

by Anonymousreply 37April 21, 2018 6:04 AM

You never hear of someone getting sick from french fries or spaghetti or necco wafers!

by Anonymousreply 38April 21, 2018 8:22 AM

Bravo r22 😊😊😂😂

by Anonymousreply 39April 21, 2018 10:15 AM

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by Anonymousreply 40April 21, 2018 1:22 PM

Does romaine lettuce only come from one region? Oh, I forgot that the US refuses to label food correctly or requires to list the place of origin the food was grown.

Means that imported good are safer now? But then you have the asshole in the White House who makes everything more expensive with his tariff attacks.

by Anonymousreply 41April 21, 2018 1:30 PM

[quote]How does lettuce get E. Coli?

By being a whore.

by Anonymousreply 42April 21, 2018 1:34 PM

Can we throw out all the kale too? Just to be safe, and all? You never know...

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by Anonymousreply 43April 21, 2018 1:34 PM

I would ony eat Romaine lettuce now if it were grilled. And that is my favorite way to eat it, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 44April 21, 2018 1:36 PM

The article says most romaine lettuce is grown in Arizona.

by Anonymousreply 45April 21, 2018 1:37 PM

It's not ALL romaine that is bad. Just the romaine from the Yuma, Az. area. Lots of it come from California. What I have in the fridge right now was raised in Salinas, Ca.

by Anonymousreply 46April 21, 2018 1:41 PM

Read the article at R40, R46. It's terrifying.

It also mentions that regardless of where your lettuce came from, it could have sat next to the contaminated lettuce, which could affect the lettuce that you bought.

This whole thing sucks, because Romaine lettuce is my favorite, and pretty much the only type of lettuce that I eat. Fuck.

by Anonymousreply 47April 21, 2018 1:45 PM

This happened in Canada back in December also with romaine. One person died aside from many being hospitalized.

by Anonymousreply 48April 21, 2018 2:22 PM

A pic of the lettuce R46 is raising:

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by Anonymousreply 49April 21, 2018 2:37 PM

Buy British

by Anonymousreply 50April 21, 2018 2:39 PM

It's very easy to grow your own lettuce on the sill or your patio, if you have one. Not iceberg, but who eats that much anyway? any leafy variety can be grown in your own kitchen.

by Anonymousreply 51April 21, 2018 3:00 PM

Love Lettuce.

R51 is right. It's easily grown on your window sill.

by Anonymousreply 52April 21, 2018 3:33 PM

Seriously? I'm going to grow lettuce on my windowsill. You bastards better be right!

by Anonymousreply 53April 21, 2018 3:39 PM

You know who kept the lettuce clean? The Mexicans did.

by Anonymousreply 54April 21, 2018 3:40 PM

r53, it actually is not only really easy but almost idiotproof and low maintenance. I say this as a lazy, blackthumbed idiot who successfully grows greens/ mixes and spinach.

by Anonymousreply 55April 21, 2018 3:48 PM

I use lettuce in my garden as fillers between rows. You can grow any number of types of greens almost anywhere. I love the mixed greens from Johnny's and from High Mowing Seeds - all organic. It's also super easy to sprout mung beans and avoid the bacterial messes you find in grocery stores. One warning: start small because you won't like the stink if they go bad and they're hard to keep fresh.

by Anonymousreply 56April 21, 2018 3:52 PM

Fresh produce is toxic.

by Anonymousreply 57April 21, 2018 3:56 PM

Fresh produce that is packaged and shipped to places it has no business being is poisonous. Fresh, LOCAL produce is nutritious, delicious, and highly appropriate for your physical needs.

by Anonymousreply 58April 21, 2018 3:58 PM

Arizona may turn out to be the biggest shithole of all -- who knew?

by Anonymousreply 59April 21, 2018 4:01 PM

[quote]How does lettuce get E. Coli?

Unprotected photosynthesis.

by Anonymousreply 60April 21, 2018 4:49 PM

R60's comment will never get the amount of love it deserves.

by Anonymousreply 61April 21, 2018 4:58 PM

I think we all ought to start a DL virtual vegetable garden.

As everyone has said, homegrown veg is not only nutricious, but is environmentally sound.

Who on earth wants to eat a toxic lettuce that's been shipped miles, when they can grow their own on the kitchen shelf?

by Anonymousreply 62April 21, 2018 6:16 PM

An lettuce.

by Anonymousreply 63April 21, 2018 6:46 PM

Do you grow your greens in water or soil? I read that hydrophonics are less nutritious.

by Anonymousreply 64April 21, 2018 7:13 PM

Nooo!

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by Anonymousreply 65April 21, 2018 7:17 PM

Does lettuce spread or do you have to plant individual heads? Do they grow from seeds? Bulbs? Mini heads of lettuce? I want to try to grow my own but obviously am clueless.

by Anonymousreply 66April 21, 2018 8:48 PM

Lettuce is a cold weather plant. It bolts during the heat of summer. Youse guys are shit out of luck for a few months.

by Anonymousreply 67April 21, 2018 8:58 PM

I'm not a fan of a salad made just of leafy greens. I need some texture. I also think you need a lot of space dedicated to leafy greens to have a salad on a daily basis.

R58 - so your suggestion is most of the country just eat frozen and canned vegetables most of the year. In winter just go without somei items that don't can or freeze well? Like lettuce?

There has been no recall because no one knows the source. The assumption is the area because that where most of romaine lettuce comes from Yuma this time of year. Individual stores may do a recall but the government can just recall all lettuce without proof it came from a contaminated farm.

You can grill you lettuce but you have to make sure all of the lettuce reaches a temperature of 160 degrees for 15 seconds.

by Anonymousreply 68April 21, 2018 9:12 PM

[quote] It's very easy to grow your own lettuce on the sill or your patio, if you have one.

How long does it take to fully mature, from planting to harvest?

I don't want to have to wait a month just to eat a damned salad.

by Anonymousreply 69April 21, 2018 10:18 PM

R23, it came from Yuma, by way of Florida.

by Anonymousreply 70April 21, 2018 11:02 PM

Well, bitches, whaddya think of me NOW?

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by Anonymousreply 71April 21, 2018 11:17 PM

R36, it worked for me, filming "The African Queen."

by Anonymousreply 72April 21, 2018 11:21 PM

I bought a bag of Earthbound organic romaine hearts yesterday, before I saw this and Googled about the poison romaine. On the back it says grown in Mexico but I'm still afraid to use it. Aren't parts of Arizona right near Mexico. There could be contamination. I tried calling the company today. Their website says they have Saturday hours but just got voicemail and they never called me back. I guess I'll just dump it. I can't believe no salad for who knows how long, maybe years according to one of the articles I found. I don't like spring mix or any other kind of lettuce except iceberg and that's basically useless for health. I don't even know if it has any fiber. Besides, one article said to stay away from all leafy greens.

I'll bet they never have problems like this in Italy or France or Greece.

Oh and I have no garden, patio, or window with any kind of decent sunlight so I'm shit out of luck as far as growing it goes. The farmer's market in my area has the worst lettuce. It's always wilted and shitty looking and not even organic. It might be grown locally but it's grown with who knows what kind of poison sprayed on it.

Maybe I'll just have Greek salad minus the lettuce, just cucumbers, peppers, onion and feta. Damn! I love a nice big leafy salad. Some days if I've overdone the day before a nice salad for lunch and dinner is all I'll have for the day.

by Anonymousreply 73April 21, 2018 11:36 PM

I knew there would be some queens on here denouncing all commercial vegetables, and bragging that they only eat vegetables that they grow with little effort in their own garden. Bitches please. Ain't nobody got time for that!

Romaine is my favorite vegetable, and practically the only one I feel like eating several times a week. I have a huge bag in my refrigerator, and of course it has a vague label, "product of the USA and Mexico". I fucking hate this.

Oh and apparently more women than men get sick from these outbreaks because women eat more vegetables.

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by Anonymousreply 74April 22, 2018 12:07 AM

Well if that women eat more than most men I'm still fucked because I eat, I guess that should be ate, a fucking lot of salads. I mean what will they find poison in next, celery? Goodbye tuna and chicken salad. Peppers, cucumbers, lemons? I already haven't had a nice medium rare hamburger since I was a kid and now I can't even have a lousy salad. Oh and if we eat anything that come with lettuce in a restaurant, even as decoration, we have to say don't let any lettuce touch my plate. Goodbye salad bars. What am I going to have, a plate of fucking beets! I only have one kidney and it's not perfect. I'm not going to risk it over having a salad but that's like giving up half my daily diet.

by Anonymousreply 75April 22, 2018 12:13 AM

Gurleen r75 has hit the Tina early.

by Anonymousreply 76April 22, 2018 12:20 AM

Test results, People:

Blended Scotch: Safe, but not tasty.

Fireball Whiskey: AWFUL.

Gin: meh, needed green olives stuffed with better cheese than bleau

Vodka: WINNER! cherry tomatoes on the side for health!

by Anonymousreply 77April 22, 2018 12:38 AM

You drunk sow, R77....

Replacing romaine with spinach and other shit (fuck - even iceberg, FFS).

But as someone said above, we all fucked.

by Anonymousreply 78April 22, 2018 1:22 AM

[quote] I mean what will they find poison in next, celery? Goodbye tuna and chicken salad.

Funny you mention that R75, because Costco had a chicken salad recall a little while back due to e-coli. Apparently, the celery that was in the chicken salad was contaminated.

You were right on the mark with that comment.

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by Anonymousreply 79April 22, 2018 1:24 AM

I don't trust the CDC since they murdered the gay scientist in Atlanta.

by Anonymousreply 80April 22, 2018 1:33 AM

All lettuce should be thrown out, and replaced with ground beef.

by Anonymousreply 81April 22, 2018 1:42 AM

Eat only safe processed food.

by Anonymousreply 82April 22, 2018 1:43 AM

Ewww, I didn't know I was right about that, R79. I was just saying, what's next. Now I'm really nervous about eating any produce. Years ago when I was in PA there was a big outbreak of people being poisoned by cantaloupe. I learned then you need to wash melons before cutting into them, but at least in that case washing was enough to be safe. With these green vegetables washing doesn't help, not even soaking in vinegar helps. I always made my own chicken salad but I have been tempted by the one at Costco. I'm glad I never gave in to temptation.

You'd think there would be some way to kill those things with radiation or something before they hit the stores and restaurants. I'd take my chances with radiation. I buy eggs in their shells that have been pasteurized so they're safe to eat raw and lightly cooked. If they can do that to eggs to make them safe, why not produce?

Oh hell, I'm going to eat M&Ms and Cheese Doodles and feel safe about it.

by Anonymousreply 83April 22, 2018 1:44 AM

Rather than throw it out, can I feed it to my iguana?

by Anonymousreply 84April 22, 2018 1:49 AM

[quote] Eat only safe processed food

I honestly don't think that there's any food that can be considered "safe" anymore.

Food safety standards have completely gone to shit under the current occupant of the White House, and it will only get worse.

Our country is in a very pro-business environment right now, which means that any sort of regulation and/or safety standards are being completely thrown out, for the sake of the company's bottom line.

For corporations, it's a plus. For the consumer, it means that we're in deep shit.

by Anonymousreply 85April 22, 2018 1:50 AM

Sadly those who support Trump and the GOP probably never went near a salad in their lives except for the 1% supporters and they I'm sure have access to gardens of their own. There needs to be a poison outbreak with fast food, hot dogs, and all the kind of crap most Trump/GOP supporters probably eat. Or let cigarettes and the drugs they use (the addicting kind, not heart and blood pressure drugs) start getting poisoned. Then maybe they'll care.

by Anonymousreply 86April 22, 2018 1:59 AM

Really makes you regret going for the Autumn Harvest when you'd only paid for Once Around the Garden, doesn't it?

by Anonymousreply 87April 22, 2018 2:12 AM

I only eat pickles...and candy.

by Anonymousreply 88April 22, 2018 5:01 AM

So truly, does this mean no more romaine lettuce for the rest of the year?

That would completely and utterly suck.

by Anonymousreply 89April 22, 2018 2:52 PM

It's quite a coup for the makers of butterhead lettuce, though.

I guess Gotham Greens are safe, since they're grown in Brooklyn and Chicago and are presumably not processed with other lettuce.

by Anonymousreply 90April 22, 2018 3:08 PM

Where do you buy those, R90?

by Anonymousreply 91April 22, 2018 3:21 PM

If you're in NYC, Fairway carries it, some Key Foods in more upscale areas, Zabars, most ShopRites, FreshDirect, and Whole Foods.

by Anonymousreply 92April 22, 2018 3:25 PM

No R89. Yuma harvest season is almost if not over. On to California.

by Anonymousreply 93April 22, 2018 10:08 PM

R73, the list of the biggest food poisoning outbreaks has international representation.

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by Anonymousreply 94April 22, 2018 10:20 PM

Does it bother anyone else that the way they test for E. coli in food is to wait for people to die?

by Anonymousreply 95April 22, 2018 10:39 PM

Lollo Rosso is a nice lettuce too!

by Anonymousreply 96April 22, 2018 11:40 PM

I've had Romaine recently, product of Mexico with absolutely no troubles of the intestinal variety.

by Anonymousreply 97April 23, 2018 12:00 AM

I got vilolently Ill last week immediately after eating a salad I prepared from mixed greens (including romaine) from Costco. I went through a whole container in 3 days. I've thrown it out.

by Anonymousreply 98April 23, 2018 1:17 AM

r95 how unamerican !! it's like building a "wall" after all the unwanteds are already here....

PS: people!! it's only lettuce. get a grip. on your toilet bowl or towel rack depending on which end it is frothing from.....if you eat it.

by Anonymousreply 99April 23, 2018 1:27 AM

That particular strain of E coli is more than just diarrhea. It can cause a condition called Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome, a combo of anemia, low platelets, and kidney failure.

by Anonymousreply 100April 23, 2018 1:31 AM

Doesn’t Stevie Nicks live in Arizona? Not to mention she’s trying to lose weight for FM’s upcoming world tour! I fear she won’t be with us much longer.

by Anonymousreply 101April 23, 2018 2:18 AM

Fuck it. I can't do without my salad mixes from Publix. I'm just going to keep on eating them and hope for the best. I'm old anyway, and the odds are in my favor.

by Anonymousreply 102April 23, 2018 7:48 AM

Are you allowed to eat Canadian lettuce instead?

by Anonymousreply 103April 23, 2018 5:56 PM

“Throw out” the lettuce. ? Oh, dear. . .

by Anonymousreply 104April 23, 2018 6:00 PM

R104, okay, how about

"Toss the salad."

by Anonymousreply 105April 24, 2018 4:00 AM

I'll take my chances. Besides, I haven't had a solid bowel movement in months.

by Anonymousreply 106April 24, 2018 4:04 AM

R102, I don't each as much salad as I should, but always get the unpackaged stuff, when I do. Something about packaged stuff, and all the handling.

by Anonymousreply 107April 24, 2018 4:15 AM

A friend of mine used to work in corporate compliance for Fleming Foods, and had to inspect the occasional suppliers' premises as part of his job.

He would travel to the salad ranges of Yuma AZ and Imperial County CA to check out their packaging plants. Because of these tours he told me he would never eat packaged salad greens or bagged raw vegetables again.

He said the plants, which are large metal buildings, were infested with mice, rats, squirrels, birds and lizards. The water that is used to clean the vegetables is supposed to be free of dirt and should contain a certain level of chlorine. But the water looked like dirty dishwater, he said, and there was never enough measurable chlorine to kill germs.

Consumer Reports has also had discussions about packaged salad mixes, saying you have to wash them before eating, and that many packages they sampled had excessive levels of mold and bacteria contamination. They surmised the gov't wouldn't crack down on the industry because of what happened to spinach after the e coli scare of 15 or so years ago - it nearly killed the spinach industry.

by Anonymousreply 108April 25, 2018 8:16 PM

The NYT said that romaine production switches from Yuma to Salinas around this time of year, so the romaine should be safe(r). I've gotten my lettuce for years from the farmer's market. It's in better condition, anyway. It's not romaine, but it's fine.

It's always a good idea to eat seasonally--the produce is of better quality and hasn't been sitting around in cold storage or travelling as far. Where I am, lettuce bolts in the summer, so I eat a lot of cucumbers and tomatoes instead.

Only produce that's ever made me sick are mushrooms--I don't care say what the books say about gently wiping them clean--after that round of intestinal awfulness, I scrub and rinse the hell out of those little mother fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 109April 25, 2018 9:43 PM

My health is precious!

by Anonymousreply 110April 25, 2018 9:45 PM

R109 = Alice Waters and her affected French accent

by Anonymousreply 111April 25, 2018 9:49 PM

R108 - Here's a link to a CR article on packaged greens. Maybe you know another one, as this one isn't that bad. This article was mentions the Food Safety Modernization Act. It hadn't passed when the article was written. But it did eventually pass and Obama signed it in 2011.

Unfortunately surprise surprise, the FDA missed deadline after deadline when it came to writing the necessary rules. I have no idea if the bill was every fully funded. Considering it was passed when the Democrats had a majority in the House and Senate. Implementation and funding would have occurred after the disastrous 2010 midterms.

As far as I can tell they did fix one flaw in the bill that plagues other safety regulations. The regulations are not necessary for smaller producers and are prohibitively expensive.

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by Anonymousreply 112April 25, 2018 10:48 PM

I buy bagged whole romaine (3 in a bag) when loose romaine heads are not good. I found this year, the romaine has been awful. I never buy ready to eat bagged salads or even lettuce, they have always tasted strange to me.

by Anonymousreply 113April 25, 2018 10:56 PM

With summer coming on, I was looking forward to massive bowls of salad. I'm lazy, I buy the bagged stuff.

by Anonymousreply 114April 25, 2018 10:59 PM

R112, the article you linked is written in a diplomatic style, but says that nearly 40% of all sampled product had too-high levels of fecal bacteria. That's bad enough for me.

by Anonymousreply 115April 26, 2018 12:11 AM

I bought a bag of lame ass spinach tonight to substitute my romaine. With my luck the CDC will expand the warning to spinach tomorrow. If I get sick I don't care. I have tons of sick time at work and I want an excuse to sit at home for a few weeks.

And I hate to tell you people, but ALL the food you buy, you have no idea who and what touched it before it lands on your plate. I'm recalling the story about that guy who whipped his dick out and pissed all over open barrels of breakfast cereal as it was being processed in a plant. So you just have to take your chances.

by Anonymousreply 116April 26, 2018 2:27 AM

R115 - I'm not sure what you mean by diplomatic. But not sure what difference it makes but in their sample they found bacteria which are POSSIBLE indicators of the presence of fecal matter. No E. Coli or salmonella were found

But let's look at the obvious. We don't have a nationwide epidemic of people getting sick from eating lettuce covered in fecal matter.

We live in the 21st century gone are the days when we need to buy locally grown produce in season. Honestly there is no way we could feed the country that way. Where exactly do you think locally grown or even in season produce would come from the feed the over eight million people living in New York City?

by Anonymousreply 117April 26, 2018 3:05 PM

Please be advised that under new Trump administration regulations, fecal matter is no longer classified as a "foreign substance" when it appears in food and food products. It is now a "spice."

by Anonymousreply 118April 26, 2018 4:02 PM

R115 you are a troll. I never said anything about locally grown anything. "Diplomatic" is a synonym for "tactful." Salad germs apparently got your brain.

I said that Consumer Reports found high levels of fecal bacteria that are indicators of contamination and are potentially illness causing in about 40% of tested samples. It's all in the article that you linked to. Things other than e coli and salmonella make people ill, including other bacteria molds, which were found in many of the salad samples. 1 in 5 is pretty high odds if you're a regular salad eater.

The problem, as I pointed out in R108, is that the places that package these salads are filthy. They aren't properly washing the goods before packaging. Fixing that would improve the problem.

About 1 in 4 Americans gets food poisoning each year. That's a lot of people and a lot of downtime. The largest source of foodborne illness in the US right now is packaged prepared greens, vegetables and fruits. (OTOH the most lethal source is meats.) Any reasonable efforts to reduce these numbers are welcome.

I don't think locally grown is the answer. I think proper measures to prevent contamination are the answer.

Stop your immature arguing for the sake of arguing.

by Anonymousreply 119April 26, 2018 10:31 PM

I still ask why can't they do something to produce to kill any problems before it's sent to stores the way they can pasteurize eggs in their shells? Some kind of lights or radiation. I mean just enough to kill off bacteria, not so much that we all get cancer.

What about produce grown hydroponically? Is that safe from any kind of contamination? If so where does one find such produce?

by Anonymousreply 120April 27, 2018 1:08 AM

[quote]I still ask why can't they do something to produce to kill any problems before it's sent to stores the way they can pasteurize eggs in their shells? Some kind of lights or radiation. I mean just enough to kill off bacteria, not so much that we all get cancer.

You can, with Cobalt 60. The problem is, health food people got so worked up, they forced a requirement of a scary label, so that people want to avoid it.

by Anonymousreply 121April 27, 2018 1:25 AM

Can you get salad in the US right now?

by Anonymousreply 122April 27, 2018 1:43 AM

Is it safe to eat romaine yet?

by Anonymousreply 123April 27, 2018 1:44 AM

Probably not, R123.

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by Anonymousreply 124April 27, 2018 2:02 AM

R75, OMG! I am crying from laughing! I got to sentence 8 and completely lost it! 😅😅😅😅

by Anonymousreply 125April 27, 2018 2:38 AM

R119 - apparently you don't read CR on a regular basis. They are being diplomatic or tactful . They conduct research and report the findings and then state conclusion and recommendations based upon the findings. In this case supporting a piece of legislation and recommendations for how to buy and handle produce. Keep in mind all they did was purchase samples and test the samples. No inspections or research into causation. Again not tactful just unbiased research. If you want to start throwing around stats relevant to public health try this: food borne illness deaths a year: 3,000. Heat disease deaths a year: 610.000 and car crash deaths a year: 1.3 million., deaths due to recent romaine lettuce consumption: zero.

I never accused you of taking a stand for local grown produce. Same post different paragraph. Not directed at you.

by Anonymousreply 126April 27, 2018 3:28 PM

They had romaine lettuce in my grocery store yesterday. It must have been organic. Is it safe to eat organic romaine right now?

by Anonymousreply 127April 27, 2018 4:07 PM

There have been 36 new cases reported in the past couple of days, at least half sick enough to be hospitalized.

I called Earthbound Organic company and they told me to throw away the package of Romaine of theirs that I had bought the day before. I hadn't read about the breakout yet. The package said grown in Mexico. They said that it is very near Yuma Arizona and they couldn't say it was safe to eat.

They said soon the Romaine they're growing in CA should be on the shelf but all it will say is that it comes from the USA. So basically use at your own risk.

I'm going to switch to kale, which I kinda hate, and chopped broccoli and maybe with enough dressing it won't taste so god awful. 10 to 1 as soon as I buy other greens they will find out they're contaminated too.

by Anonymousreply 128April 27, 2018 11:20 PM

You know, your confusion R128 is a good reason to yell at food makers & packagers to clearly label origin on their stuff.

The Colorado River Valley passes through Yuma. It's low in elevation and very hot. The river used to flood like the Nile, covering the region in silt, but in the past 100 years it's all dammed and irrigated. That valley continues on into Mexico, and there's a lot of winter produce grown there too. Temps are getting hot around here (99 in Yuma today), so the winter growing season is pretty much over.

E coli is a shit-borne disease, either farm animals, wild large mammals, or humans. I don't think they have a handle on exactly where the infection came from - or they don't want to say to prevent a boycott. In any case, it's likely to hurt the romaine market for the summer at least, especially if there are more infections.

In countries where produce borne illness is a problem, it is common and safe to soak your produce in a half sink of water with 1/4 cup of plain chlorine bleach. Soak for 15 minutes, turning occasionally. Rinse in fresh water and drain. I've also used double the amount of natural all-fabric bleach (Ecover or Seventh Generation or similar, which are 12% food grade hydrogen peroxide without additives). When using HP, I don't rinse after soaking.

by Anonymousreply 129April 28, 2018 12:04 AM

About 55 people died in Germany 7 years ago from an E. Coli issue (sprouts) at an organic farm there. It can happen anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 130April 28, 2018 12:17 AM

Soaking your produce in bleach or other chemicals won't kill E. coli.

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by Anonymousreply 131April 28, 2018 1:52 PM

I'm on PrEP, so I can't get e coli.

by Anonymousreply 132April 28, 2018 2:17 PM

Fuck, I only JUST discovered romaine lettuce. It has just the right amount of crunch.

I bought a pack of 6 of them and, despite my protests, my partner threw them all out.

by Anonymousreply 133April 28, 2018 2:21 PM

The grocery store I had had tons of Romaine on the shelves. Does that mean they know the brands they have are safe?

by Anonymousreply 134April 28, 2018 2:22 PM

I poo poo that hypothesis, R134...

by Anonymousreply 135April 28, 2018 3:43 PM

What are restaurants and fast food joints doing about this scare?

by Anonymousreply 136April 28, 2018 4:02 PM

Apparently washing produce will not kill all bad bacteria.

But cooking vegetables and greens kills most, but not all bad bacteria?

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by Anonymousreply 137April 28, 2018 4:48 PM

This situation better be rectified soon, because chicken caesar salads are a staple of my summer diet.

by Anonymousreply 138April 28, 2018 5:10 PM

I guess we humans have to adjust and be ready to digest concentrated bleach to help our bodies to deal with super resistant bacteria. Or just learn to survive on love and air. Oh wait (STDs) ... well just air then. Oh wait (air pollution) ... oh fuck!

by Anonymousreply 139April 28, 2018 5:48 PM

Costco is still selling Romaine in bags of six.

Could they be held liable for continuing to sell after the recommendations?

by Anonymousreply 140April 28, 2018 6:55 PM

You may keep your Romaine lettuce if you cook it well done to kill any offending bacteria.

by Anonymousreply 141April 28, 2018 7:43 PM

I know some people like it grilled but I don't want a fucking cooked salad. I don't want to ingest Clorox either. I threw my Romain away and won't be buying any more. The organic produce is no safer than the regular. We're not talking about pesticides. We're talking about poison inside the lettuce and there is nothing you can do to it short of bringing it up to 160 degrees that will kill that.

Yes, IMO, stores should be held responsible if someone gets poisoned from Romain they are still selling.

by Anonymousreply 142April 28, 2018 8:32 PM

Sorry, Romain should be Romaine

by Anonymousreply 143April 28, 2018 8:33 PM

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by Anonymousreply 144April 28, 2018 10:06 PM

Are we allowed to substitute Cos or Lollo Rosso for Romaine? Asking for a friend who doesnt want to commit a social faux pas serving the wrong type of lettuce.

by Anonymousreply 145April 28, 2018 10:15 PM

Sorry r142/143, I still must post this. And I’m posting at you a la Hyacinth Bucket.

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by Anonymousreply 146April 28, 2018 11:28 PM

Make hot creamed lettuce or cream of lettuce soup, R137. What the hell are you doing with 6 heads of romaine, R133?

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by Anonymousreply 147April 29, 2018 12:34 AM

"First death reported in romaine lettuce E. coli outbreak"

NEW YORK (AP) — The first death has been reported in a national food poisoning outbreak linked to romaine lettuce.

The death was reported in California, but state and federal health officials did not immediately provide any other details.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated its numbers on the outbreak Wednesday, revealing that 121 people had gotten sick in 25 states. At least 52 people have been hospitalized, including 14 with kidney failure, which is an unusually high number of hospitalizations.

The CDC also added Kentucky, Massachusetts and Utah to the states with reported cases.

Health officials have tied the E. coli outbreak to romaine lettuce grown in Yuma, Arizona, which provides most of the romaine sold in the U.S. during the winter.

The growing season in Yuma ended about a month ago, said the University of Arizona's Russell Engel, the director of Yuma County's cooperative extension service.

But even if no one is eating tainted lettuce now, case counts may still rise because there's a lag in reporting. The first illnesses occurred in March, and the most recent began on April 21, the CDC said.

Most E. coli bacteria are not harmful, but some produce toxins that can cause severe illness. People who get sick from toxin-producing E. coli come down with symptoms about three to four days after swallowing the germ, with many suffering bloody diarrhea, severe stomach cramps and vomiting.

Most people recover within a week, but some illnesses can last longer and be more severe.

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by Anonymousreply 148May 3, 2018 1:03 AM

damn! how and why does this happen!

by Anonymousreply 149May 3, 2018 1:14 AM

Poor washing or infected water supply?

by Anonymousreply 150May 3, 2018 10:11 AM

I thought that they said fertilizer?

An early guess was lack of restroom facilities for workers in the fields.

No idea...the thought of kidney failure is scary as hell.

by Anonymousreply 151May 3, 2018 12:26 PM

When is this going to be over? I'm going to get tired of eating spinach soon.

by Anonymousreply 152May 3, 2018 1:31 PM

[quote] Romaine lettuce from Arizona has an E. coli problem, but the good news is the harvest there is over

[quote] If you’re freaking out about the recent E. coli outbreak tied to romaine lettuce, don’t. Growing season is over in the area of Yuma, Arizona where the infected produce was coming from, so the romaine lettuce at your grocery store or restaurant should be coming from other places and be just fine. Still, if you can’t confirm where the romaine lettuce is coming from, don’t eat it, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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by Anonymousreply 153May 3, 2018 1:38 PM

[quote] Iceberg lettuce has no nutritional value. I only eat romaine, but haven’t gone near any since this scare started several months ago.

And green or red leaf lettuce are more nutritious than iceberg or romaine. With lettuce pretty much devoid of any significant nutritional value, it's a moot point. May as well compare the nutritional value of various Kool-Aid flavors. You want yer' vites? Have spinach salad. Preferably with roquefort, currants, glazed walnuts and raspberry vinaigrette (recipe from The Buckeye in Mill Valley, I miss that place).

I'm a red lettuce guy, mostly-I love its delicacy of texture and remember my Gran's wonderful Sunday pasta and chicken feeds where her red leaf salads were the promise of things to come. Romaine to me is coarse, and I hate all those gigantic, beety-tasting spines. You can't make lettuce wraps with it either.

I'm with James Beard and Julia Child on iceberg. Properly prepared, it's wonderful. If it cost ten dollars a head, the Foodies would be singing its praises to the heavens.

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by Anonymousreply 154May 3, 2018 2:51 PM

r152, i know what you mean.i eat one salad daily to try to stay healthy, im getting nervous. this is an ongoing issue.

by Anonymousreply 155May 3, 2018 11:52 PM

R113 "[packaged greens] have always tasted strange to me."

Maybe it's the infusion of mice, rats, squirrels, birds and lizards?

by Anonymousreply 156May 4, 2018 12:08 AM

I was at the 99¢ store today. They didn't have heads of romaine, but they had bagged romaine mixes. The pregnant woman checking out behind me had 3 bags of the stuff. I got leaf lettuce.

by Anonymousreply 157May 4, 2018 2:00 AM

I made this really tasty, at least to me, salad mix because I'm afraid to eat Romain, my usual favorite.

Dinosaur kale (much more tender and tasteful than regular curly kale) taken off the stem and torn into bite size pieces

Red cabbage sliced thin, like you would for slaw

raw broccoli florets

I mixed the above together then added some thinly sliced red onion, cucumber, grape tomatoes, dried cranberries and pumpkin seeds.

I got the idea for that from a salad I once got at Costco.

I made a slightly sweet poppy seed dressing which is basically a honey mustard dressing with poppy seeds.

it came out really good and I two large zipper bags full of it now all ready to go. All the veg in the basic part of the salad are hearty and keep well for a a week to 10 days. I just have to add the cucumbers, onions and tomatoes if I want them on there again.

I don't think I'm going back to Romaine again. Two outbreaks that killed in one year is too scary and I don't think the first one had anything to do with Yuma Arizona. Something is going on with Romaine. It's not worth it.

The Dinosaur kale would work well for a Caesar salad too. If you hate kale and only tried the curly one, try this one. It's way better.

by Anonymousreply 158May 5, 2018 2:24 AM

I refuse to eat kale.

It's only for trend sucking sheeple.

by Anonymousreply 159May 5, 2018 2:30 AM

I was at both Trader Joe's and the 99 Cents Only store, and both had romaine with no warning signs or disclaimers about sourcing.

by Anonymousreply 160May 5, 2018 4:44 AM

This is what horrifies me: The food companies show no friggin' consideration for their customers (not putting any warning label stickers on their product in cases like this one) out of pure greed. And the customers let them get away with it. That's what outrage, demonstrations, and writiting to your state representative is for.

Eating is a basic need. And you shouldn't fear to die from a fucking salad!

by Anonymousreply 161May 5, 2018 5:22 AM

Dammit! Looks like I'm making a trip to town to pick up all the fixings for growing my own organic Romaine lettuce. The alternative is far to risky. Dammit.

by Anonymousreply 162May 5, 2018 5:29 AM

Well, if red leaf lettuce is more nutritious anyway, why not get that?

by Anonymousreply 163May 5, 2018 5:32 AM

R158, that sounds really good. Love red cabbage and poppy dressing. (I swear, I typed poopy dressing at first by accident. Lol.)

Love kale, spinach, butter, all of ‘em. But regular romaine was my workhouse.

Ground-zero1zombie creating-fertilizer-infected produce is always a risk. Can’t it happen with ‘em all?

(Them mofos were out of my fave butter lettuce when I went shopping last Monday.)

by Anonymousreply 164May 5, 2018 5:43 AM

*poppy SEED *workhorse

by Anonymousreply 165May 5, 2018 5:45 AM

The green leaf lettuce shill is full of it. Romaine is the most nutritious lettuce. Green leaf has more niacin, riboflavin and K, but romaine has more of A, C, E, potassium, folic acid, lutein, and beta carotene.

by Anonymousreply 166May 5, 2018 6:00 AM

The water sources have been contaminated; therefore, the color of the leaf or variety of the lettuce/greens makes no difference.

by Anonymousreply 167May 5, 2018 6:03 AM

I bought a ready-made turkey and cheese sandwich that was made freshly that morning (yesterday) at the deli section in my grocery store as I do every week. I ate the sandwich for lunch yesterday when I arrived home, not thinking about the romaine lettuce on it. Not much, only 2 small pieces on the sandwich but I have had diarrhea all last night and all day today. I don't have cramps or feel nauseated and haven't thrown up, but I have been in the bathroom a lot today and don't have much energy.

I am really nervous about this now. Why wouldn't the grocery store warn the deli dept to use iceberg instead of romaine? I mean this is Shop-Rite, a major grocery chain. Unless the diarrhea is from something else but I can't figure what else it could be.

by Anonymousreply 168May 5, 2018 6:07 AM

I just bought a fucking salad. What is going on?? I bought it from a takeout place that sells probably 500 a day. Last time this happened, they said they "threw out the old supply and now their supplier is ok" ... meanwhile my grocery store had no romaine anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 169May 5, 2018 6:10 AM

All the grocery stores in my city are carrying romaine.

by Anonymousreply 170May 5, 2018 6:38 AM

Home chef just gave me 2 hearts made a salad and ate it. Home chef wouldn’t kill me. Would they?

by Anonymousreply 171May 5, 2018 6:41 AM

Yes. They want your stuff.

by Anonymousreply 172May 5, 2018 7:07 AM

Shit, I can already see the Lifetime movie about this: Mother, May I Eat Some Salad?

Mother fighting for her poor kid's life after he ate lettuce!

by Anonymousreply 173May 5, 2018 7:53 AM

And the stores the people who ended up with kidney failure or died also carried Romaine. Any who thinks because the story is carrying it, it is safe, are taking a huge chance. The outbreak is getting worse, not better.

Red leaf lettuce is not crisp like Romaine. I think for most people Romain is a fave. It was for me but this is now the second outbreak since Christmas time and the first one had nothing to do with Arizona. Romaine has become downright scary. It's just not worth the risk.

Maybe this will make people stop fighting radiating our produce supply.

by Anonymousreply 174May 6, 2018 12:51 AM

My affections are with butter lettuce, at least for now.

by Anonymousreply 175May 6, 2018 1:02 AM

R174, nobody is suggesting irradiating our entire fresh produce production - it would be far too resource-intensive. Not to mention, if we can't trust illiterate mexican fieldworkers with the proper use of water and chlorine to wash our produce now, how do you think things will turn out when we trust them with ionizing radiation?

by Anonymousreply 176May 6, 2018 9:56 PM

I'd rather pay a little more for produce I know is safe and if they have to hire people who know what they're doing to radiate the produce let them.

I eat salad because I'm trying to do what's healthier and I'm sick of having to worry every time I put a piece of lettuce in my body.

by Anonymousreply 177May 7, 2018 12:01 AM

So, go and get a few big bags of frozen spinach and frozen broccoli, Mary R177. It's far healthier for you anyway because it's frozen right after harvesting which preserves all the nutrients. Then when you cook it, you kill the bacteria, so it's not only better for you, it's safer too.

Fresh romaine lettuce that's been sitting on a truck for a week doesn't have nearly the nutritive value you assume it does.

by Anonymousreply 178May 7, 2018 12:52 AM

Is there any chance we can have an update on this?

by Anonymousreply 179May 8, 2018 3:18 PM

Update:

Outbreak still going. Don't eat Romaine is still the advice.

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by Anonymousreply 180May 8, 2018 8:03 PM

Also from the NYT.

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by Anonymousreply 181May 8, 2018 8:04 PM

My understanding, after a good bit of research, is that the growing season in Yuma ended a month ago, and while there may be some dicey products in the stores they should all be gone within the next two weeks when the bulk of romaine will be from California. I plan to go nuts with Romaine in a couple of weeks. I eat lettuce every day, and I miss the crunch from romaine. I've been using green leaf with a bit of iceberg added for extra crunch, but iceberg is just so flavorless

by Anonymousreply 182May 8, 2018 9:25 PM

Thats awful. Good that the public heath authorities are responding so quickly though

by Anonymousreply 183May 8, 2018 10:47 PM

I'm not going back to Romain for a long, long time. The first outbreak a few months before where several people died and many ended up with kidney failure had nothing to do with Yuma.

by Anonymousreply 184May 8, 2018 11:37 PM

Oh and just want to add if I'm going to die from food it will be cheeseburgers and fries, not lettuce!

by Anonymousreply 185May 8, 2018 11:38 PM

This is a good iceberg lettuce recipe from Ina Garten.

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by Anonymousreply 186May 9, 2018 12:02 AM

So they don’t know where the problem is yet, according to the article at r181?

Is this really a Yuma issue alone?

by Anonymousreply 187May 9, 2018 12:10 AM

R178, you're one of the few intelligent, non-hysterical posters here. But you're not one to suffer fools gladly, so I don't think our marriage would last.

by Anonymousreply 188May 9, 2018 6:16 AM

Ive been growing my own lettuce for a good fewcyears. They're so easy to grow. I dont know why more people dont do it.

by Anonymousreply 189May 9, 2018 11:56 AM

Salmonella sickens nearly three dozen people following recall of more than 200 million eggs

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by Anonymousreply 190May 12, 2018 7:13 PM

R181 's link is well worth the read. The outbreak should have been prevented by the implementation of legislation passed in 2010. Seven years and the FDA hasn't done their job. Our representatives have taken no interest n fixing the problem.

by Anonymousreply 191May 12, 2018 8:44 PM

Unfortunately, all varieties of lettuce is off the family menu this summer, including pre-packaged deli sandwiches containing such products. Not going near the packaged lettuce varieties as well.

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by Anonymousreply 192May 12, 2018 8:53 PM

Now, eggs???

Fuck.

by Anonymousreply 193May 12, 2018 10:20 PM

Try to find Davidson's Safest Choice pasteurized eggs in the shell. You can eat them raw if you like. They are the only eggs I use these days. Hard to find, but I go to the one store, Shoprite, in my area that carries them.

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by Anonymousreply 194May 12, 2018 10:38 PM

[quote]Our representatives have taken no interest n fixing the problem.

Gee, I wonder why.

by Anonymousreply 195May 12, 2018 10:50 PM

28 new cases of E. coli since last update. This seems much worse than just a Yuma problem. All of the Yuma lettuce should have been long off the shelves by now.

As long as the companies that sell romaine are still making money they won't do shit to make their products safe. The CDC needs to recall all romaine including organic and not allow it to be sold again until they find the source of the poisoning that is leaving people with lifelong kidney failure and killing some.

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by Anonymousreply 196May 13, 2018 7:41 PM

Trump and the Republicans cut-off funding for the hiring of food inspectors last year. We're going to see more and more of these deadly outbreaks as long as they're in power.

by Anonymousreply 197May 13, 2018 9:48 PM

Arizona romaine lettuce farmers grow frustrated amid E. coli outbreak

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by Anonymousreply 198May 16, 2018 12:03 AM

Thanks republicans.

Be sure to send them the hospital bills.

by Anonymousreply 199May 16, 2018 12:09 AM

R197- yeah, the Republicans have been doing this since 2011.

by Anonymousreply 200May 16, 2018 1:58 AM

[quote]28 new cases of E. coli since last update. This seems much worse than just a Yuma problem. All of the Yuma lettuce should have been long off the shelves by now.

I bought a giant bag of romaine 3 weeks ago around the time this thread started. I never opened it, and I just took it out of my refrigerator today. It only started to go bad in a small area, and most of that was just freezer burn. This stuff has a longer shelf life than most people think. Especially if it's sealed airtight and kept refrigerated at all times. I'm sure there is lettuce from Arizona still in people's refrigerators or even on store shelves.

by Anonymousreply 201May 16, 2018 3:02 AM

Romaine lettuce outbreak has spread to 32 states

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by Anonymousreply 202May 17, 2018 9:48 AM
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by Anonymousreply 203May 18, 2018 1:11 PM

Sorry, I went back to eating Romaine when it was said to be safe after the January deadly contamination, one that had nothing to do with Yuma. Before I even got to use the last package I'd bought a new warning came out. They never found out what caused either outbreak and I repeat, the first one HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YUMA. I will bet in the next month or two the government will once again tell people to throw away their romaine. I'm just never eating the damn thing again. I'm doing okay salad wise without it, even Caesar salad.

by Anonymousreply 204May 21, 2018 1:15 AM

'Throw out' all your food, CDC advises.

Just drink Pepsi until further notice.

by Anonymousreply 205May 21, 2018 1:17 AM

One in six Americans get sick from food — many of them from salads

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by Anonymousreply 206May 21, 2018 1:19 AM

Some 48 million people (one in six Americans) get sick from the food every year. Of those, about 128,000 wind up in hospitals and 3,000 die.

3,000 die! That is huge!

by Anonymousreply 207May 21, 2018 1:20 AM

r205 Did someone appoint Joan Crawford as head of the CDC?

by Anonymousreply 208May 21, 2018 1:21 AM

infuriating. one can understand how eating under cooked meat could make one ill. but lettuce? eating a salad is supposed to improve your health not potentially kill you.

by Anonymousreply 209May 21, 2018 2:47 AM

I've had some Roman in my fridge for a few weaks now. Do ewe think that all the Germs have been frozen dead? Is it safe to eat now?

by Anonymousreply 210May 21, 2018 5:42 AM

[quote]I've had some Roman in my fridge

Does the Italian Embassy know about this?

by Anonymousreply 211May 21, 2018 5:44 AM

does this include organic?

by Anonymousreply 212May 21, 2018 5:46 AM

No R210, I wouldn't chance it. Your health and life is worth more than the few bucks you paid for the lettuce. Throw it out and buy fresh lettuce. It's just not worth the risk.

Yes R212, imo, organic is better and always buy produce from a grocery store that has a lot of traffic and high turnover of food. And always wash the lettuce with cold water, even if it comes bagged.

by Anonymousreply 213May 21, 2018 6:06 AM

Only Trump steaks and Trump wine is safe for consumption. Everything else must be thrown out.

by Anonymousreply 214May 21, 2018 4:31 PM

Still? I bought organic romaine from Whole Foods and fed it to my husband last night. He’s fine, and I’m having some leftover Greek salad for lunch. I figure all the salt and lemon juice will kill whatever nasties are on it, if any.

by Anonymousreply 215May 21, 2018 5:10 PM

[quote]I've had some Roman in my fridg

Polanski, Gabriel, or Coppola?

by Anonymousreply 216May 21, 2018 6:07 PM

Does it remind you of the meat that was not fit for pigs in The Battleship Potemkin?

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by Anonymousreply 217May 21, 2018 6:13 PM

e Coli doesn't happen in just a few hours or even a day like other food poisonings. It can take up to week to start feeling sick. I'd wait and watch what happens to your husband at least until Thursday.

by Anonymousreply 218May 21, 2018 6:23 PM

I'm the one who posted somewhere on one of these Romaine threads that I called the largest organic produce company, Earthbound, and they told me they cannot say their Romaine is safe. Being organic has nothing to do with this. As the rep I spoke with explained, the soil can get wet and travel from one farm area to another and when being processed, packaged and such, cross contamination can take place. So no, organic produce is no safer than regular in a situation like this.

by Anonymousreply 219May 21, 2018 6:27 PM

I am so tired of this. I ate a spinach salad this week, prepared the same way I make my Romaine salads. It was like getting fucked but not cumming. I Romaine is the only salad I want!

Fuck it. I'm about to buy some seeds and start a plant on my patio.

by Anonymousreply 220May 21, 2018 6:30 PM

R219 & R212 - I didn't mean to imply that right now only organic is safe and only conventional is unsafe. That's not what I meant.

I meant that imo, organic is better overall and also to purchase it from a store with volume/high turnover of food, even when there is no recall or CDC warning. The warning/recall advisory is/was for both conventional and organic too.

by Anonymousreply 221May 21, 2018 9:02 PM

I'm changing my name to Leefie Romaine.....

by Anonymousreply 222May 21, 2018 9:08 PM

Please lettuce be and give us our lettuce back.

by Anonymousreply 223May 21, 2018 9:09 PM

R210, I think the Romans and the Germans get along now.;)

by Anonymousreply 224May 21, 2018 11:34 PM

It's STILL not safe to eat romaine lettuce. Now it's not even safe to be near someone who has eaten romaine. WTF!

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by Anonymousreply 225June 9, 2018 6:23 PM

Nobody cares about people dying from eating salad. if they would they would confront the CDC and the government for (well, call me Mary!) betraying them.

by Anonymousreply 226June 9, 2018 7:12 PM

My romaine that's been in the fridge for 2 months now has fungus on it. Will that act as an antibiotic?

by Anonymousreply 227June 10, 2018 12:03 AM

[quote] Will that act as an antibiotic?

More like a toxin.

If you were to take it on a subway, you'd be arrested for domestic terrorism.

by Anonymousreply 228June 10, 2018 12:05 AM

They should have already grown a huge hydroponic crop of Romaine by now. WTF is taking them so long?

I will not go a whole summer without my beloved chicken Caesar saiad. I WON'T!

by Anonymousreply 229June 10, 2018 12:06 AM

[quote] I will not go a whole summer without my beloved chicken Caesar saiad. I WON'T!

Well then, enjoy the SHITS, R229!

by Anonymousreply 230June 10, 2018 12:07 AM

Stir fried romaine lettuce is delicious and would kill any bacteria. Just heat oil in your fry pan or wok until it is nearly smoking, dump in your chopped romaine with a little bit of garlic, actively stir with tongs for about 2 minutes, maybe a dash of soy sauce, and you're done. It will be crisp and crunchy, bright green, but safe to eat.

by Anonymousreply 231June 10, 2018 12:22 AM

The Yuma growing season has been over for about two months, and the romaine in most stores is from California. You can go back to eating Romaine

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by Anonymousreply 232June 10, 2018 12:29 AM

R232, That's great news! But will one of you please eat it first so I can see if you get sick before I try it?

by Anonymousreply 233June 10, 2018 12:42 AM

I’ve been eating it for a few weeks. Not sick or dead yet.

The quality of the California romaine is better as well.

by Anonymousreply 234June 10, 2018 12:45 AM

^ California Romaine Farmer

by Anonymousreply 235June 10, 2018 12:46 AM

I have been eating it for weeks as well. I’m in Telecom, not a farmer

by Anonymousreply 236June 10, 2018 12:54 AM

[quote] I have been eating it for weeks as well. I’m in Telecom, not a farmer

Brought to you by the Telecom-Farmer's Association of America.

Eat Romaine again... it's good for you!

by Anonymousreply 237June 10, 2018 12:56 AM

Well, now it's cut melon giving people Salmonella!

On Friday, Caito Foods LLC, a unit of SpartanNash Co, recalled fresh-cut watermelon, honeydew melon, cantaloupe and fresh-cut mixed fruit products containing one of those melons produced at a Caito Foods facility in Indianapolis.

The recalled products were distributed to Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio and sold in clear, plastic containers at stores including Costco Wholesale Corp, Kroger Co, Payless, Owen’s, Sprouts, Trader Joe’s, Walgreens, Walmart Inc, and Whole Foods, a unit of Amazon.com Inc.

FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb in a Twitter post late on Sunday urged people in the eight states to check the “fridge and freezer for recalled pre-cut melon linked to Salmonella outbreak.”

Of the 60 cases reported to date, 32 were reported in Michigan.

“Reports of illnesses linked to these products are under investigation, and Caito Foods is voluntarily recalling the products out of an abundance of caution,” the company said in a statement, adding it “has ceased producing and distributing these products as the company and FDA continue their investigation.”

Salmonella can result in serious illness and produce significant and potentially fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly people and others with weakened immune systems the company said.

The CDC said evidence suggested that melon supplied by Caito Foods “is a likely source of this multistate outbreak.”

The investigation is ongoing to determine if products went to additional stores or states, the agencies said. RELATED...

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by Anonymousreply 238June 11, 2018 1:50 PM

So I guess the lesson is to eat processed foods.

by Anonymousreply 239June 11, 2018 1:57 PM

Big Macs all around.

by Anonymousreply 240June 11, 2018 2:56 PM

I never once got sick from eating a bag of ruffles.

by Anonymousreply 241June 11, 2018 2:59 PM

You never hear about anyone dying from eating junk food.

by Anonymousreply 242June 11, 2018 3:13 PM

Does that mean we have to eat canned veggies, now?

How about local produce? Would it make a difference if we ate lettuce, etc. produced by local farmers?

by Anonymousreply 243June 11, 2018 7:58 PM

Is it safe to eat uncut cantaloupe?

by Anonymousreply 244June 11, 2018 8:51 PM

^ Yes, just be sure to chew the skin thoroughly.

by Anonymousreply 245June 11, 2018 9:13 PM

R 244 wash the cantaloupe before cutting.

by Anonymousreply 246June 11, 2018 9:33 PM

The only thing bad I get from my favorite Wise Cheese Doodles was orange fingers.

I've really had it with produce. I love fruit and salads in the summer but fuck this shit. If I'm going to die or go into kidney failure I'll do over hot dogs and ice cream and other summer shit. You deny yourself and try all your adult life to eat healthy and because of the goddamn government deregulations soon all produce will kill us. Organic doesn't make it any safer. Unless you grow it yourself just assume it's not safe. Well, I have no access to a garden or farmer. A lousy pot of basil won't grow in my dark apartment. Fuck it. I'm going to eat whatever shit I want, just not too much of it.

Next time I will order a well done cheeseburger deluxe and them to hold the lettuce, don't let it go anywhere near my plate and don't let my food get next to any fresh fruit either. I guess frozen fruit is safe, but who knows.

by Anonymousreply 247June 12, 2018 1:59 AM

Fruits and veggies are overrated. You can never go wrong with a bacon double cheeseburger smothered in mayo and ketchup.

by Anonymousreply 248June 12, 2018 2:29 AM

I plan to have that for lunch tomorrow. Hell, if I order a salad I use dressing that probably has as many calories and as much fat as the burger and if I get it well done no food poisoning, besides, e coli is more deadly than salmonella, not that people usually get salmonella from a burger, but if I have to get e coli I'd rather get it enjoying what I ate.

by Anonymousreply 249June 12, 2018 11:39 PM

^ Yes because when you're puking your guts out it feels so much better to know that you are puking up food that you really enjoyed going down.

by Anonymousreply 250June 12, 2018 11:58 PM

Actually, it does. At least there was some enjoyment involved a few hours before the puking.

by Anonymousreply 251June 13, 2018 12:11 AM

Okay, if you say so.

by Anonymousreply 252June 13, 2018 12:15 AM

[quote]R 244 wash the cantaloupe before cutting.

How do I wash it? Do I just rinse it with water, or should I use liquid soap?

by Anonymousreply 253June 13, 2018 3:49 AM

Scrub the uncut rind with your hands or a vegetable brush under running water.

I always first peel the outside and then wash the knife before cutting the cantaloupe in pieces.

by Anonymousreply 254June 13, 2018 4:23 AM

r253 Strap it to the roof of your car and take it through the car wash.

by Anonymousreply 255June 13, 2018 4:24 AM

CDC has issued a warning to throw out ALL romaine lettuce:

CDC ‏Verified account @CDCgov 26m26 minutes ago

Outbreak Alert: Do not eat any romaine lettuce, including whole heads and hearts, chopped, organic and salad mixes with romaine until we learn more. If you don’t know if it’s romaine or can’t confirm the source, don’t eat it.

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by Anonymousreply 256November 20, 2018 7:47 PM

AGAIN!?!?!?!

by Anonymousreply 257November 20, 2018 8:04 PM

Yes, again. This warning is new.

I was just about to buy some romaine yesterday!

by Anonymousreply 258November 20, 2018 8:05 PM

This one is different, R257.

The original warning back in April was for romaine grown in a specific area. I think it was Arizona or something.

This warning is referring to ALL romaine lettuce, regardless of where it was grown. Now THAT'S some serious shit.

I wonder what's different now, for the CDC to have issued this new advisory, and for it to involve all romaine.

They wouldn't make this decision lightly, knowing the economic impact it would have on the industry.

by Anonymousreply 259November 20, 2018 8:14 PM

Why can't I get the twatler link to work in either of two browsers?

by Anonymousreply 260November 20, 2018 8:16 PM

OP, you don't write this on a 7 month old thread. It is a new warning, you start a new thread.

by Anonymousreply 261November 20, 2018 8:45 PM

The illegal aliens & their enablers, who pick Americas crops & process our food in plants, factories & slaughterhouses, are deliberately contaminating it, in acts of passive resistance.

Ockhams Razor.

by Anonymousreply 262November 20, 2018 9:16 PM

Hilarious R262! Especially the deliberate misspelling.

by Anonymousreply 263November 20, 2018 9:18 PM

^^ Its absolutely true & has been for awhile.

But go ahead & laugh if it makes you feel better.

by Anonymousreply 264November 20, 2018 9:26 PM

Increase in food recalls & contamination

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by Anonymousreply 265November 20, 2018 9:37 PM

32 cases of Salmonella in Canada and the US (360 million people)- no deaths. Kind of seem like an overreaction. Too bad gun deaths (in the US) don't get the same kind of preventive intervention.

by Anonymousreply 266November 20, 2018 9:41 PM

Holy fucking shit (literally) they are even telling people to SANITIZE where they had stored the lettuce! Is this some super strain? High drama.

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by Anonymousreply 267November 20, 2018 9:45 PM

You are what you eat, America.

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by Anonymousreply 268November 20, 2018 9:53 PM

I feel like this is a personal attack against me! When last outbreak was announced I had two giant bags in my refrigerator, and just this weekend I bought two giant bags of romaine.

by Anonymousreply 269November 20, 2018 10:20 PM

It's not unusual for field workers to be denied proper access to portable toilets. As a result they have no choice but to pee and shit in the fields. Since this outbreak is so widespread I doubt that's the cause of the current outbreak. But I do know that it is has happened before and in some produce recalls has been linked to the cause in the past.

On another note, FWIW, I ate a ready-made deli sandwich for lunch on Friday *with romaine lettuce on it* and didn't get sick.

by Anonymousreply 270November 20, 2018 11:49 PM

I think the lesson hear is that fresh food is bad, and we should eat only safe, processed food.

by Anonymousreply 271November 20, 2018 11:50 PM

The problem is you can't cook lettuce to a safe temp. If it was something like spinach it could reach a safe temp. I know in my heart I only eat salads for the dressing anyway so fuck it. It's not worth the risk of eating any kind of raw produce. I'm only going to eat things I can bake or poach like apples and pears, maybe peaches and plums in the summer. I was going to buy some grapes over the weekend. They still have some really sweet organic red ones, where I shop. Now, forget it. I'm not really a fan of cooked grapes.

by Anonymousreply 272November 21, 2018 12:51 AM

Romaine lettuce isn't germaine to the subject

by Anonymousreply 273November 21, 2018 1:26 AM

Iceberg forever, romaine never

by Anonymousreply 274November 21, 2018 1:27 AM

Watch, soon the warning will be all lettuces. Something very bad is happening to lettuce, all over the country. None of the first poison lettuce last winter was grown in Yuma Arizona, then from late winter to nearly summer it was coming from Yuma so they thought that was it. Now it's CA lettuce. Something is very wrong with our lettuce supply and I wouldn't be surprised if it spreads to things like celery, carrots and other things people tend to eat raw. The CDC has no clue and in now about a year of poisoned lettuce they still don't have a clue.

by Anonymousreply 275November 21, 2018 2:12 AM

R275

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by Anonymousreply 276December 16, 2018 7:08 AM

Now cauliflower? Oh, that's not good.

by Anonymousreply 277December 16, 2018 7:14 AM

[quote] FWIW, I ate a ready-made deli sandwich for lunch on Friday *with romaine lettuce on it* and didn't get sick.

Sorry, but e-coli takes weeks to manifest itself.

So you won't get sick right away, but you should watch for symptoms of e-coli over the next few weeks.

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by Anonymousreply 278December 16, 2018 7:30 AM

It only takes a few days, not weeks. R278 actually linked to a Wikipedia article with the correct information while posting bullshit. Brilliant.

[quote]The incubation period is usually 3–4 days after the exposure, but may be as short as 1 day or as long as 10 days.

by Anonymousreply 279December 16, 2018 7:52 AM

Its so funny how this thread only pops up when I'm eating a salad. Tonight its shredded broccoli, carrots and red cabbage. I'm probably still going to get e. coli one day!

by Anonymousreply 280December 16, 2018 8:00 AM

Can I have your belongings, R280?

by Anonymousreply 281December 16, 2018 8:19 AM

Chinese people stopped eating raw vegetables several thousands of years ago - they made a correlation between sickness, what they were using to fertilize the fields and not getting sick if they ate only cooked vegetables. A good plan. There is no type of salmonella or e.coli that will survive thorough cooking. Not good news for the salad industry, but, on the bright side, lettuce makes a delicious cooked vegetable. You only have to saute it lightly for about 3 minutes so that it's still somewhat crisp, but super hot to the touch. Usually vegetables that need to be peeled (cucumbers or carrots for instance) are fine to eat raw, but I'd rinse them again, just to be safe. I grow my own lettuce in the summer, so I know that that is safe.

Fruits that have hard skins, such as apples, will be safe, as long as they are thoroughly rinsed before eating, and most tree fruits will be fine, as long as they are picked from the tree and not after falling on the ground. . Canteloupe has a porous skin, and it grows by laying directly on the ground as it ripens, hence the danger of picking up pathogens.

by Anonymousreply 282December 16, 2018 8:20 AM

There is no way you can successfully cook lettuce to a "super hot" temperature. Even stir frying romaine chunks (as opposed to pieces or leaves) causes massive wilting to the point of being bitter and gross after maybe 90 seconds on high heat.

If you're doing to saute (or stir fry) a vegetable, go with something that can hold up to the heat, like bok choy or broccoli.

by Anonymousreply 283December 16, 2018 8:24 AM

Thanks for all that good info, R282. It's very helpful and useful to know.

I guess I'll be heating all of my food up, from now on.

by Anonymousreply 284December 16, 2018 8:39 AM

cook a salad?

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by Anonymousreply 285December 16, 2018 8:42 AM

Does this mean raw stalks of celery are in danger?

by Anonymousreply 286December 16, 2018 9:15 AM

So that means everything that contains raw celery, tuna, chicken, egg, ham, etc. salads. However braised celery is delicious. Celery is one of the bases of most soups and stews and braised meats. So there is a still a use for it. As for lettuce, all lettuce, all raw vegetables I'm not going to be eating them anymore, including peppers. Most things, except lettuce can be cooked in some way. Cauliflower roasted until it caramelizes is delicious and comes to a very high temperature.

There have always been cases of poisoned vegetables here and there but now it seem rampant and unstoppable since Trump. Has he changed some regulations that used to be in place to safeguard our produce?

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by Anonymousreply 287December 16, 2018 4:08 PM

^ Yes, this way we'll have no choice except for Monsanto (Round-Up) GMO produce. That's where we are headed. I am sure the Trump Crime Family are friends with the Monsanto Crime Family, just like Trump is friends with Tier 3 registered sex offender / pedophile Jeff Epstein. I wonder if Ivanka allows Jeff around her children. I wonder if the Trumps will be eating Monsanto's GMO produce. Or if only the power wealthy/elite will have access to fresh, safe non-GMO produce.

by Anonymousreply 288December 16, 2018 5:14 PM

I think Trump did away with the regulation that farmers have to get their water source tested on a regular basis. Anything goes now. If there's a cattle farm nearby, e coli can contaminate a field miles away.

If I was a large lettuce, vegetable farmer I would test the water and advertise that I do!

by Anonymousreply 289December 16, 2018 5:16 PM

288 lettuce not forget (see what I did there?) that the beloved Obama put a VP from Monsanto in charge of the FDA. All of Washington is being butt fucked by evil corporate interests. Our safety doesn't matter. Our environment doesn't matter. Only profit for the business and for the politicians.

by Anonymousreply 290December 16, 2018 5:51 PM

^ Haha.

Yes, I agree. Profit over people. That is how the corrupt operate.

by Anonymousreply 291December 16, 2018 10:10 PM

[quote]If I was a large lettuce

I mean, are you sure you're not?

by Anonymousreply 292December 17, 2018 3:07 AM

These outbreaks keep happening a lot lately. It's not safe to eat any fresh greens anymore. I'm not taking chances, going for frozen only.

by Anonymousreply 293December 17, 2018 11:04 PM

Me too R293. I mean 3 E. Coli breakouts in less than a year and not other vegetables are infected too. No more raw vegetables for me, any kind. I just hope I don't have to give up raw fruit too although I fully expect it to spread to fruit. I guess I can always make baked apples.

by Anonymousreply 294December 17, 2018 11:22 PM

R294 I've about given up most fruits too except melons and bananas. How do you bake apples, just with cinnamon or do you add granola or something?

by Anonymousreply 295December 17, 2018 11:47 PM

I like to put a little sugar or some other sweetener in a little water in a microwave safe bowl. I core an apple, very easy with an inexpensive apple core gadget, (Oxo Good Grips makes a good one.) and then nuke it for about 90 seconds, test it for softness and if it's still too firm I do another 30 seconds, then another and so on. I put in enough water to cover the apple about half way up. If you want you can use apple juice or cider instead of water and then you might want to cut back or cut out any sweetener. You can put a little bit of cinnamon on it if you like it.

You can also use a bigger microwave safe dish and do several apples and nuke it for longer or you can use an oven safe dish and do the same thing only bake for about 40 minutes and test for softness.

Always leave the skin on or you will have applesauce.

Some people use soda instead of water or juice but then it's less healthy.

by Anonymousreply 296December 18, 2018 12:24 AM

Cauliflower is on the latest recall list.

by Anonymousreply 297December 19, 2018 9:56 PM

Thank Republicans for all of this shit. This is entirely their fault.

by Anonymousreply 298December 19, 2018 10:10 PM

R296 Thanks for the tips, will definitely try!

by Anonymousreply 299December 19, 2018 10:33 PM

You're very welcome R299. Enjoy.

by Anonymousreply 300December 20, 2018 1:16 AM
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