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And So it Begins, Medicare Cuts on the Way

On Wednesday, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) became the highest-ranking Republican to say publicly that the GOP plans to cut spending on Medicare, Medicaid, and welfare programs next year. "We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,"

Ryan said on Ross Kaminsky's talk radio show. House and Senate Republicans are in negotiations on a final tax bill that nonpartisan analysts say would add at least $1 trillion to the deficit, and they recently authorized $700 billion in 2018 spending for the Pentagon, but Medicare and Medicaid — which, along with Social Security, have their own dedicated payroll tax — are "the big drivers of debt," Ryan said.

President Trump promised during the 2016 presidential campaign that he would not touch Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security, but Ryan said he's been successfully selling Trump on the idea. "I think the president is understanding choice and competition works everywhere, especially in Medicare," he said. Social Security will probably escape, Ryan added, because it can't be changed under Senate budget reconciliation rules, meaning Republicans would need some Democratic support.

In the last two weeks, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and House Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas) have also proposed cutting Medicare and Medicaid after the tax bill, to tame the national debt. Ryan added welfare programs to the mix, telling Kaminsky, "We have a welfare system that's trapping people in poverty and effectively paying people not to work." Peter Weber

by Anonymousreply 8512/10/2017

So they just blew out the national debt by a trillion bucks for tax cuts for rich people and now want the old folks to pay for it in health care cuts. And yet, Republicans still get votes.

by Anonymousreply 112/07/2017

I only want one thing from Paul Ryan. I want him to die.

It doesn't even have to be a slow and painful death. Just be dead. Without any further delay. Die.

by Anonymousreply 212/07/2017

And what will the Democratic Party's response to this be? Other than rolling over and playing dead, they'll pay tribute to trannies and another tribute to women who have been groped, then castrate several white men live to appease the goddesses of Lesbos.

Who knew the Democratic party would turn into MichFest?

by Anonymousreply 312/07/2017

Evil bastard Ryan has been salivating for years to do this.

Will this finally wake up the old and poor who vote republican? The ones that don't die, of course.

by Anonymousreply 412/07/2017

Yup. He has been dreaming about this whilst chugging beers in college. What a fucking weird little weasel he is.

by Anonymousreply 512/07/2017

Hard to believe that one evil little man can drive the agenda to make life miserable for so many. Didn’t that midget Senator from Florida also voice this plan?

Those old people in Florida should take note.

by Anonymousreply 612/07/2017

Elections have consequences.

by Anonymousreply 712/07/2017

From Newsweek: Florida Senator Marco Rubio admits that the Republican tax cut plan, which benefits corporations and the wealthy, will require cuts to Social Security and Medicare to pay for it.

To address the federal deficit, which will grow by at least $1 trillion if the tax plan passes, Congress will need to cut entitlement programs such as Social Security, Rubio told reporters this week. Advocates for the elderly and the poor have warned that entitlement programs would be on the chopping block, but this is the first time a prominent Republican has backed their claims.

by Anonymousreply 812/07/2017

My mom has dementia and is in her 60s.

I feel sick to my stomach.

by Anonymousreply 912/07/2017

I hate when Ryan calls Medicare an "entitlement"-- it is a funded program. I have been paying into Medicare and SS since my first job at age 16. I echo R2's sentiments-- just die already.

by Anonymousreply 1012/07/2017

Oh R9, I hear you. My mother is 75 and I fear she's developing dementia. This "tax plan" has kept me awake nights with dread. (MARY! me all you want)

Any financial gurus out there who can advise on how to protect my own and my mother's assets from being completely snatched up by future nursing home costs?

by Anonymousreply 1112/07/2017

R11, contact a geriatric law attorney immediately. There is a legitimate way to handle the situation you are in. It involves filling out a lot of forms and lots of paperwork, but do it NOW!!! I was in your same situation and managed to preserve about 1/2 of my parents' assets.

by Anonymousreply 1212/07/2017

R9 and R11 Sorry to hear that. It's very, very difficult thing to go through for both the person going through it and the caregivers.

My aunt, who I help care for, is in her mid 70s has severe dementia (which runs in the family) and we are in the process of putting her in a nursing home because she's getting way out of control and violent. It's heartbreaking, but the only option at this point. I'm hoping this travesty doesn't effect the coverage since she's on Medicaid and we can't afford to pay for nursing home care ourselves. Her condition is declining rapidly and I'm not sure how long she has left.

by Anonymousreply 1312/07/2017

[quote]Her condition is declining rapidly and I'm not sure how long she has left.

Drop her off in the woods. Problem solved.

by Anonymousreply 1412/07/2017

R14 Congrats, you're become a rare person I've blocked on here.

by Anonymousreply 1512/07/2017

Death to Republican Baby Boomers!!

by Anonymousreply 1612/07/2017

Paul Ryan clutching a copy of an Ayn Rand book at r14. Surprised you didn’t say to put her in a sack with bricks and dump her in the lake.

by Anonymousreply 1712/07/2017

R13, thank you. It is heartbreaking. It's much harder than I ever expected it to be. It's like losing her a thousand different times.

by Anonymousreply 1812/07/2017

I'm from Wisconsin and I ABHOR Paul Ryan. Ab. Hor. Him. Also agree with R2. R11, yes, contact an attorney asap, but it probably too late to shelter her assets. There is a 5 year lookback period for Title 19 divestitures.

by Anonymousreply 1912/07/2017

Ryan easily passes Robert Hare's 'Psychopathy Check List (PCL). Blame the monsters next door who keep voting for him.

by Anonymousreply 2012/07/2017

These people are so evil

by Anonymousreply 2112/07/2017

If Americans stood by submissively while the Republicans passed huge tax cuts for Corporations and the rich, what makes anyone think they will stand up for the morality of Medicare for the elderly and social security for those who have paid into it.

by Anonymousreply 2212/07/2017

"Other than rolling over and playing dead, they'll pay tribute to trannies and another tribute to women who have been groped, then castrate several white men live to appease the goddesses of Lesbos."

Only an idiotic Republican would say something like this. No one is "castrating" men except in your sexist pea brain. If you want to blame someone, blame the morons who voted GOP or stayed home on election day. Dems would be able to fix things if they had a majority.

by Anonymousreply 2312/07/2017

I wish him dead too . I really do .why does he wanna hurt so many people ?? . I’m on disability and Medicare . Fuck this evil son of a bitch. I wish him a fatal heart attack during his Christmas Eve dinner .

by Anonymousreply 2412/07/2017

I love the creative ways people have for wishing ill on their foes. R24 is a good one.

by Anonymousreply 2512/07/2017

"Dems would be able to fix things if they had a majority."

But they'll never have a fucking majority because of idiots like you, who think political correctness and appeasing ever tinier minorities of "oppressed" people is the way to win elections. Its the economy, stupid, and the PC crowd like you doesn't give a fucking shit about it.

by Anonymousreply 2612/07/2017

r26, gays are a tiny minority - does that mean Dems shouldn't stand up for gay rights? The people who whine about the "PC crowd" are the same bigots who supported things like a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. I can't believe someone would post that shit on a gay board. You can stand up for minorities and also help the poor. Or are you too stupid to realize that?

by Anonymousreply 2712/07/2017




Not "entitlements." We paid into the social safety net. We earned it. This must be rebranded.

by Anonymousreply 2812/07/2017

As R27 said, we are a small minority. We are a fringe group. To follow R26’s logic Dems would win more seats if they abandoned us too.

by Anonymousreply 2912/07/2017

Until the Kochs, Mercers, and all the billionaires that have bought themselves a Congress, are confronted and held accountable, this stuff will continue.

by Anonymousreply 3012/07/2017


Medicare is withheld at the rate of 1.45% of gross earnings. If the average person makes 100K/year, that's 1450.00/year. Add in the employer match, and its, 2900.00/year. If the average person works 40 years @100K year, he will have contributed $116,000.00 to medicare (including the employer contribution) over the course of a working life. How many people are grossing 100K/year?

I don't know if any of you have any experience with medical bills, but 116K is a couple of surgical procedures and a few hospital stays. Skilled nursing costs about 6K/month, so after 20 months in a nursing home, you've broken the bank. Still think this is an "Earned Benefit?"

by Anonymousreply 3112/07/2017

Yes, R31, because you're overlooking how insurance works. There will also be people who have contributed that amount to Medicare who will not be using anywhere near that amount, either because they remain relatively healthy or because they die relatively young. So the benefit here is not the insurance payout; it's the subsidized cost of the insurance.

by Anonymousreply 3212/07/2017

It doesn't matter if it's an earned benefit or not, rich countries decide to pay for the health care of the disabled and elderly as it is in society's best interests.

If they REALLY want to cut the deficit - GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WARS ALREADY!

Also, healthcare costs could be reduced if we had single payer - but they don't want to do that either. This is just bad math - he's dead set on killing Social Security and Medicare and will back into it with any excuse possible.

If those older Fox viewers can't see the light with this now, I don't know how they ever will.

by Anonymousreply 3312/07/2017

If they really want to cut the deficit, raise the fucking taxes. The last time we had a budget surplus was under Clinton. Let's return to those rates.

by Anonymousreply 3412/07/2017

Medicare does little to help dementia patients. You have to have a heart attack or stroke, get into a hospital then skilled facility, and down to your last $2000 to get Medicare benefits. Dementia? Doesn't qualify. I know this because I have two friends with parents who have dementia. One is in a $4000 a month board and care home that does not accept Medicare patients. Most board and care homes in CA do not have Medi-Cal (CA's version of Medicare) beds and when they do it's just a few and they are hard to get. People have to leave when they go broke and where I don't know. She's 93 and has about two years of savings left. When that's drained, unless she has a medical emergency that gets her in a nursing home there are few to zero options. People are selling their homes to pay bills but when the savings is gone, they are in big trouble. Fuck all Republicans and especially Paul Ryan, they are mean, greedy hateful.

by Anonymousreply 3512/07/2017

[quote] You have to have a heart attack or stroke, get into a hospital then skilled facility, and down to your last $2000 to get Medicare benefits.

You're an idiot

by Anonymousreply 3612/07/2017

[quote] One is in a $4000 a month board and care home that does not accept Medicare patients


by Anonymousreply 3712/07/2017

[quote] Medi-Cal (CA's version of Medicare)

Fucking idiot

by Anonymousreply 3812/07/2017

As a Central European, it boggles me, why would any regular person in US vote Repub. Party. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose. Do they promise something else before elections, but then it would apply fool me once... Or perhaps it is the religious thing, I don't know. It curious, I live in Czech Rep. and if anyone would be running for election for any state position a declared themself religious, they would definitely lose.

by Anonymousreply 3912/07/2017

R31, for myself I would not care if no one ever paid into it. In every other advanced nation in the world, health care is covered essentially. Why not the richest nation? I'll tell you why- because this nation is now being run only for the very richest, otherwise known as the donor class to the GOP- so empty of morality that they would elect the greatest buffoon ever to be POTUS.

(By the way, I am among the very richest and I can tell you that I do NOT NEED to pay a lower percentage of my income in taxes than the average middle class person and I do NOT NEED 100% of the inheritance coming to me- I will remain very rich if taxed at the current rate above the first 5 million untaxed- 10 million counting both my parents) One of the reasons I am wealthy is because the gov't of the US provided a stable economic and governing platform for all the nation, thus fertile ground for wealth creation. The GOP is going to eventually run all of us into the gutter. The rich will not remain rich if the rest and our infrastructure and climate go to hell. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 4012/07/2017

R35 is correct. My mother had AD and spent the last 2 years of her life in a 200K per year facility paid for privately. The cost can be applied as a tax deduction. We spend about $18,000 a month for care for my father above Medicare reimbursement. The care includes a specialized housekeeper and 24/7 aides. Needless to say this is not affordable by almost everyone.

Canada? Different story. Europe, different story, Japan, different story etc.

by Anonymousreply 4112/07/2017

I'm pretty worked up about all this- I might add, that there are plenty of multiple millionaires in all the countries mentioned above for any who are going to come back at me crying that these are socialist countries and I am a traitor to my class and all manner of bullshit. Like lots of luck people who work hard and recognize others who work hard, social responsibility and care for the weakest is a the top of the list for great nation criteria. The US is losing this label.

by Anonymousreply 4212/07/2017


by Anonymousreply 4312/07/2017

[quote]The cost can be applied as a tax deduction.

Not anymore.

by Anonymousreply 4412/07/2017

"Apple will see as much as $47 billion slashed from its expected tax liability if Republicans push through their current tax plan, making it the biggest beneficiary of the legislation now working its way through Congress."

$47 billion would pay for a lot of Medicare.

by Anonymousreply 4512/07/2017

At 50 years of age, I honestly believe the policies being hatched now by the Republican party will shorten my life. I believe my life will end with me being indigent due to some medical expense and that I will chose to kill myself at that point.

by Anonymousreply 4612/07/2017

[quote] believe my life will end with me being indigent due to some medical expense and that I will chose to kill myself at that point.

So buy an AR 15 and bullets now, while you can afford it, and take a millionaire with you when you decide it's time to go.

Everyone should.

It's very easy to buy guns. You can do it from the comfort of your own home.

by Anonymousreply 4712/07/2017

As an European living in a Scandinavian welfare state with high taxes but universial health care I read these threads with great sadness thinking why would anyone vote for gop and Trump. I was in a university hospital few years ago and for the first time stayed one night. They took many tests including scanning my heart and lungs. Later I went to city hospital where they scanned other inner parts like l liver and kidney. The bill from the universial hospital was around $50 and the city hospital was free of charge. I can only wonder how much I would have paid in the US. And the level of care was excellent. I met half a dozen of doctors and even more nurses.

by Anonymousreply 4812/07/2017

Yep, R10; same here. They never say, let's not take the money, but always say it's an entitlement...... I paid into it, why would I not feel entitled??? Fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 4912/07/2017

As long as the ultra rich and corporations are happy they will take care of the old sick and poor!!...said no one.

by Anonymousreply 5012/07/2017

R48, are doctors' salaries as high there as in the U.S. and are those doctors simultaneously insured against malpractice to the hilt as U.S. doctors are, therefore paying astronomical rates for their coverage? There's more than one reason besides "the GOP" for this mess. Also remember that many people voted for Trump because they saw only a continuation of their disenfranchisement with Clinton. Many Trump voters (though not all) are not the dumbasses some on here would lead you to believe. It was a choice between Scylla and Charybdis, and in my opinion, a false choice, set up by those who win no matter who holds office. Many Dems serve the same agents and agenda as many Repubs, as others have noted here.

by Anonymousreply 5112/07/2017

[quote] why would anyone vote for gop and Trump

It's complicated. Americans prioritize being self-reliant to the point of pathology, and Republicans play off that in about 100 different ways. It works largely because there is nothing preventing major news outlets from lying about the news, and because the American education system is disastrous. The over-reliance on weapons grade pharmaceuticals doesn't help, either.

You can no longer say to a Republican, "I paid into this system for 40 years and I deserve the payout I was guaranteed based on my payments." They cannot understand that simple sentence anymore. They have been drugged and brainwashed and lied to so often they literally cannot comprehend that simple fact.

by Anonymousreply 5212/07/2017

I wonder what his mother thinks. remember that commercial where she said her son would never do anything to Medicare and SS.

by Anonymousreply 5312/07/2017

Same here, R46. I'm 46 and already basically planning what to do when I inevitably fall ill and can't afford medical care. And I'm insured.

by Anonymousreply 5412/07/2017

[quote]. It was a choice between Scylla and Charybdis, and in my opinion, a false choice, set up by those who win no matter who holds office. Many Dems serve the same agents and agenda as many Repubs, as others have noted here.


Bet you're one of the idiots who doesn't know the difference between Medicare, Medicaid, SSI and SSD anymore than you know the difference between Democrsts and Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 5512/07/2017

Most, if not all, of the changes to entitlement programs like Medicare and social security will involve the younger population, not those over 50....

by Anonymousreply 5612/07/2017

Medicare is for old people and Medicaid for poor people. Medicare is probably ok in some situations, but Medicaid should be done away with.

SSI and SSD- don't know the difference but know they're both for disability. I know people really can abuse this system and we need to really crack down on who gets what.

Don't know why some of you are opposing this reform. We waste too much money on handouts and personally I'd rather see the money kept in my pocket.

by Anonymousreply 5712/07/2017

R57, the money wouldn't be kept in your pocket, it would be in someone else's pocket.

by Anonymousreply 5812/07/2017

We all get a tax break, R58. Social Darwinism isn't something we should fight. Let it take its course and the strong will survive.

by Anonymousreply 5912/07/2017

[quote]but Medicaid should be done away with.

And replaced with what?

[quote]Don't know why some of you are opposing this reform

Because it's not "reform." It's a blatant "rob from the poor and give to the rich" scheme and they're not even trying to hide it.

by Anonymousreply 6012/07/2017

[quote]We all get a tax break, R58.

No we don't. My taxes will go up, as will millions of others. And within a few years, because the individual stuff expires in a few years, the majority of the middle and lower classes will find that their taxes have increased.

[quote]Social Darwinism isn't something we should fight. Let it take its course and the strong will survive.

My, what a sociopath you are.

by Anonymousreply 6112/07/2017

How do they hope to stay in office if they kill off their base?

by Anonymousreply 6212/07/2017

The billionaires will keep them in office, R62. And they're counting on blaming Democrats for everything.

by Anonymousreply 6312/07/2017

Wow, R55. You sure have me pegged, doggone it! And I would have gotten away with it too, had it not been for your superior intellect!

by Anonymousreply 6412/07/2017

Well I for one am perfectly happy to let the GOP give my FICA taxes to billionaires in order to save the world from Hillary’s emails. And Trump can grab my pussy all he wants so long as Al Franken stops fake grabbing the boobs of Playboy models.

by Anonymousreply 6512/07/2017

R51 Doctors here made between $6K and $13K per month. But some make more some less based on where they work and how long. Usually a doctor works on public side for days and then some evenings on private side. Some work only on either side. The cost to see a doctor on private side is about $70 to $150. The more years and the position they have the higher the salary will be. Sometimes over 20K. Our salaries are far lower than in US and all in all and doctors' salaries here are considered high with those numbers.

by Anonymousreply 6612/07/2017

Lots of posts here about Ayn Rand, the woman who wrote books about eschewing government benefits like unemployment pay, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

When Ayn Rand got cancer and her money ran out, Ayn ran to apply for Medicaid so that she could get cancer treatments. Tells you alot about these people, doesn't it?

by Anonymousreply 6712/07/2017

I'm getting a new tire with my $125 in lower taxes and I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

by Anonymousreply 6812/07/2017

If Paul Ryan wants to cut entitlements, he should start with the excessive benefits that Congress voted for its own members.

Pensions for Congressional members:

In 2015, congressional members who had retired under the old Civil Service Plan received an average benefit of $74,136. The benefit paid to members who retired under the newer FERS program received averaged $41,316, but they also received Social Security payments, so the total amount received is about the same as under the old Civil Service Program.

Most Americans do not have pensions, and must instead rely on Social Security and savings during their retirement years. Compare the benefit our Congressional members receive with the amount you have been promised in your annual statement from the Social Security Administration. Why should they receive a pension at all? Why aren’t they entitled to receive only Social Security benefits like most of us commoners?

Health insurance coverage:

Do you think that members of Congress participate in the Affordable Healthcare plan? Yes, in fact they’re required to enroll in the gold plan (which provides the best coverage and charges the highest premiums). But if they sign up with the Washington DC exchange, the government pays 72% of their monthly premiums. Think about ordinary citizens who must pay the full premium amount because they don’t qualify for a subsidy under the Affordable Care Act. Our Congressional representatives certainly wouldn’t qualify for a subsidy because their incomes are far too high, but they have approved it for themselves.

This all smell like pigs at the trough.

by Anonymousreply 6912/07/2017

I have a ex who has a sister with 9 kids. Three of those kids have muscular dystrophy and one has some kind of brain damage. She gets a monthly disability check for all four of those kids . She also is on all sorts of government programs to get home health aid workers and things like that.

Yet this women is a staunch Republican. She hated Obama and adored Bush Jr. me and the ex broke up in 2015 but I can guarantee she voted for Trump and just adores him .

What is going through the mind of someone like this?? Does she not realize what’s at stake for her family ???

by Anonymousreply 7012/08/2017

This prediction makes me nervious. I’m afraid that once the boomer’s numbers are naturally depleted, the Republicans will start taking away all the good stuff. I’m at the trailing end of the boom and think I might miss the good stuff, despite paying towards it all, all my life.

by Anonymousreply 7112/09/2017

Paul Ryan is the reason everyone should have voted for Hillary. For all of you who criticized Hillary and thought that Trump was the new face we needed, you don't have a fucking brain in your head. Paul Ryan and the Repigs are ruthless. He must be stopped. This never would have happened with Hillary as president.

by Anonymousreply 7212/09/2017

Any chance Ryan is defeated in the 2018 midterms?

by Anonymousreply 7312/09/2017

Probably not r73. He doesn't have any really strong challengers and he's pretty high profile. Hard to beat a guy like that. Districts get a sense of importance and perks from having their rep by the speaker.

by Anonymousreply 7412/09/2017

This douchebag faux Catholic obviously didn't get the news that his seat is now a toss up.

If the DNC is smart they will run ads with this quote from now until the primaries. I will donate to any effort to get this evil soul out of Congress.

Did you hear me, DNC, start running ads in his district starting TODAY.

Time to put the Repugs on the defensive.

by Anonymousreply 7512/09/2017

R45, do you know who manages Apples secretive tax and investment arm? Take a wild guess?

The brother of Mick Mulvaney,director of OMB who had a direct hand in writing the tax bill.

That is blatant COI and corruption and something that should be front page news yet we have a supposed liberal media.

Until the American people decide it's time to storm the gates and kill all of these people like Italy did to the Mussolinis we will continue to be fucked.

by Anonymousreply 7612/09/2017

In the UK, the Tories are attempting to hollow out the NHS and move to a more US influenced system. They would probably be further along in doing so we’re it not for all the Brexit bullshit.

Stephen Hawking has recently become involved in a lawsuit fighting the creation of Accountable Care bodies ( private companies ) that the loathsome Jeremy Hunt has proposed. It will be interesting to see if Hawking’s intellect will throw Hunt’s obfuscation and lies into sharp relief.

There were many models of US influence we could have followed in the past. Sadly, there seem to be far less of them these days. But, US Healthcare was never ever one of them. The signifier of a civilised society is universal healthcare, to a set standard, for every citizen at point of entry.

But I think we gave up our chances of a civilised society when we sold ourselves to the corporations. We’re now really beginning to see the blossoming of a new feudalism.

by Anonymousreply 7712/09/2017

Because they hate brown, black, gays, women who respect themselves, and anyone who doesn't stick a crucifixion figure up their ass or twat every night,r48.

They are mentally ill and still hold resentment against the war of Northern Agression.

And our so-called media gives them a platform to display their mental illness in the vein of impartiality.

Until our country has an all out civil war and we are able to kill the inhabitants of states like Alabama, etc, it will remain the same.

by Anonymousreply 7812/10/2017

R62, the question should be, how do they stay in office if the country wakes up and starts killing them?

Rep. Scalise, anyone?

Actions have consequences consequences.

by Anonymousreply 7912/10/2017

Apologists like r51 need to be hunted down and executed.

by Anonymousreply 8012/10/2017

R57 also needs to killed.

by Anonymousreply 8112/10/2017

Why isn't the "Repuke"/"Republicunt"/"Breitbart" shrieker shrieking at a real "Repuke"/"Republicunt"/"Breitbart" like r57?

by Anonymousreply 8212/10/2017

Don't worry. R57 will soon get his or hers. You can't hide evil like his or hers very long. I'd I knew where u lived you would be sipping through a straw today, r57.

by Anonymousreply 8312/10/2017

R57, your time will come. Many of us are elderly gays, and we need all our health insurances...plain & simple!

by Anonymousreply 8412/10/2017

Republicans are a malignant cancer on the USA.

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