Call Me By Your Name has won a major critics association's Best Picture Award, but that has led people to question whether it is really a queer masterpiece or simply a retread of something Lasse Hallstrom would have made at Miramax in 2003. Meanwhile, its stars turn to new projects (below) and people are questioning the apparatus by which straight actors are repeatedly cast and praised for acting in gay "prestige" projects.
Call Me By Your Name has reached peak Call Me By Your Name-ness (Part 14)
|by Anonymous||reply 600||12/24/2017|
Great recap, OP! haha
|by Anonymous||reply 1||12/05/2017|
fuck you, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||12/05/2017|
There are opposing opinions of OP. Shocker.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||12/05/2017|
R2 / R3 = "Team Queer Masterpiece"
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R4 = Team LGBTQ
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R5 = Team FUCKOFF
|by Anonymous||reply 6||12/05/2017|
All of us: Team CMBYN WOOOOOOOOOOO
|by Anonymous||reply 7||12/05/2017|
OP's recap gave me a nice chuckle. Good job.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||12/05/2017|
That pseudo gay pedofest of a movie is bound to die in the wake of Spacey and Singer.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||12/05/2017|
Yeah yeah I can see how dead it is...
|by Anonymous||reply 10||12/05/2017|
They're going to be on Kimmel tomorrow
|by Anonymous||reply 11||12/05/2017|
Yeah you keep clinging to that to keep yourself warm at night r9
|by Anonymous||reply 12||12/05/2017|
R11 oooh yay! It's been at least a week since they were together last (publicly). FAR. TOO. LONG.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||12/05/2017|
Has handsome Arnie returned to twitter yet? I miss his ever so witty remarks and sharp humor.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||12/05/2017|
We have Chalamet on twitter, we can do without Armie.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||12/05/2017|
R14 definitely not Armie given you misspelled his name. Twice.
Timmy's never around though! For a New York artsy kid he's very quiet on social media. Reckon his manager used Armie as an example and told him to keep quiet?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||12/05/2017|
[QUOTE]New York artsy kid
The tweets he has, er, tweeted so far are all quite basic, so I wonder just how artsy he is. That could be why he's so quiet on there - that tweeting more could dispel that artsy image.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||12/05/2017|
I mean that mug speaks for itself. Who needs a brain with so much face?
|by Anonymous||reply 18||12/05/2017|
R11 I guess they took that poster's advice about letting Armie accompany Timmy on the late night circuit, since he apparently bombed on Fallon solo.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||12/05/2017|
It's been said before, but it bears repeating:
The parent who named his kid after a toothpaste is my official hero.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||12/05/2017|
Chalamet does seem to be much better interviewing with Armie than on his own.
Though he is still quite young, doing the whole PR thing isn't easy. Many established actors never managed to get good at it.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||12/05/2017|
Not necessarily better, Armie just breaks up the awkwardness with his slow deep voice. Plus Timmy's all over Armie, fun perk.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||12/05/2017|
Slow? Armie talks so fast dude also movies his hands & head in a frenzy. He does have a deep voice so there's that I guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||12/05/2017|
Amie sizemeat verification?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||12/05/2017|
They were hilarious together on Ellen.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||12/05/2017|
Somewhere in Northen Italy
|by Anonymous||reply 26||12/05/2017|
R11, my online TV listing say that Neil Patrick Harris is the guest host on Wednesday night, but it doesn't mention these two as guests
|by Anonymous||reply 27||12/05/2017|
R24 Amie? Amie is a guy?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||12/05/2017|
Armor is balls deep on Timmy tonight.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||12/06/2017|
Can “Amie” be the new “Lens”?
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Today, the BFCA (aka Critics' Choice Awards) nominated CMBYN for Picture, Director (Luca), Actor (Chalamet), Supporting Actor (Hammer & Stuhlbarg), Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography, and Best Song!
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|by Anonymous||reply 32||12/06/2017|
Any nomination for Amie is his reward. Dafoe will win every award.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||12/06/2017|
R33 why do you say that about Armie and not Stuhlbarg, who also has little chance of winning?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||12/06/2017|
Because I wanted to type Amie.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||12/06/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 36||12/06/2017|
If You Seek Amie
|by Anonymous||reply 37||12/06/2017|
Stop trying to make "Amie" happen, typocunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||12/06/2017|
it's called ACTING!
|by Anonymous||reply 39||12/06/2017|
Aciman, in an interview for Vulture (www.vulture.com/2017/12/andr-aciman-on-cmbyn-sequels.html)
I've always read that ending as uncertain BUT highly hopeful. Luca also said at a Q&A the other day that he envisions Elio and Oliver having sex again in the future. The sequel looks a lot more appealing to me at this point.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||12/06/2017|
[quote]. Luca also said at a Q&A the other day that he envisions Elio and Oliver having sex again in the future.
Well of course. I would this goes without saying for a sequel.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||12/06/2017|
I think it will just get more explicit in the future.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||12/06/2017|
Here is the direct link to the aciman interview, rather than just that excerpt.
But I never read the ending of the book as so open-ended, so I did find it interesting that was his intent.
Also I love he is perplexed by the fangurl culture.
[quote]Why do you think young women connect with it? How could I know?
[quote]I don’t know. All humans connect with it, really. But the people that I see on Twitter all the time, all girls.
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|by Anonymous||reply 44||12/06/2017|
[quote]I've always read that ending as uncertain BUT highly hopeful.
Yes, it's quite ambiguous, and there's room for all sorts of scenarios - I've never understood the readers who claim that it's so definitively closed. There seems to be an idea that the possibility of an ultimate happier ending for the two is somehow a betrayal of what came before. I don't know, but the openness of the ending always seemed obvious to me. It ends on the note of Elio hoping that once again, Oliver will call him by his name. And since we don't know if Oliver does or not, there's hope that he might.
[quote]Well of course. I would this goes without saying for a sequel.
I sort of get why Luca made a point of saying that they'd have sex again, though - between him leaking some of his plans for the sequel, which seem very hetero, and the fact that in the novel they don't have sex in the ensuing 20 years, he probably just wanted to throw some raw meat to the base, so to speak.
Somebody needs to give Dr. Aciman a primer on slashy fangurl culture - love them or hate them, they're a part of pretty much every m/m-themed pop culture phenomenon, whether it's Queer as Folk, Brokeback Mountain, etc. They have gone into a frenzy over this one, and you can't buy that kind of promotion/PR.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||12/06/2017|
It's a film for women. It's made for all those MM fetish cunts.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||12/07/2017|
Yes I'm sure the gays are getting nothing from it...
|by Anonymous||reply 47||12/07/2017|
R46, just what kind of a cunt are you?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||12/07/2017|
R46 yeah I'm sure the bisexual writer, gay director, gay producer and 200 year old gay screenwriter were all about pleasing the fangirls
|by Anonymous||reply 49||12/07/2017|
200 year old gay screenwriter 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
|by Anonymous||reply 50||12/07/2017|
It's for fangirls because that's how you make money. Twilight, Hunger Games, Shades of Grey. Thirsty bitches will pay.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||12/07/2017|
Yes I'm sure this film that is currently playing in 4 theaters was made to make money.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||12/07/2017|
What else you think movies are made for? Artistic vision? Prestige? Because people and production companies just throw millions out of the window for the sake of it. They just love to lose money. If that's what you want to believe, sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||12/07/2017|
Yep, Peter Spears tried to get this tiny movie made for 10 years because he thought it was going to be a huge blockbuster hit. No other reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||12/07/2017|
r53's cynicism is grotesque
|by Anonymous||reply 55||12/07/2017|
R53 correct. Movie making is a business. At the end of the day someone invests money into the product, and they want to see a return on their investment that yields profit. Just like any other business, it is about returning a profit.
This is a low budget movie because they are realistic about its box office potential, it doesn't need to be a blockbuster, but they are definitely counting on making money off of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||12/07/2017|
Haters will hate. Those of us who want to believe this was a passion project made to promote love and acceptance will continue to do so.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||12/07/2017|
Of course they want to make money off it, but that's not WHY they made it. If that was the case they'd work on something far more accessible than this.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||12/07/2017|
I made it cuz I wanted to see PEEN. And dammit, I DIDN'T.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||12/07/2017|
Movies are made for money or for awards which eventually lead to name & money. Same thing. There are a few movies made for passion & art but the way they are trying to sell this one indicates it's neither. The narrative of exposed balls, Armie/Luca, Luca/Tim, Armie/Timmy all being in love & lust with each other is cheap as fuck if you ask me.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||12/07/2017|
Most people don't know these minute details, only those obsessed with and then disappointed by the production of this project.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||12/07/2017|
The picture should rise and fall based upon what is on the screen, not in the year-long promotional tour the production team has been on.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||12/07/2017|
I agree R62. Reason why I hate when they do this kind of dishonest promotion. Trying to create a false sleazy narrative that the actors share the same chemistry as their characters. Really not necessary because the movie will sell itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||12/07/2017|
Cynical. It's so hard to believe that co-workers get along and become friends in real life?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||12/07/2017|
Kristen Bell saw the film and was compelled to post this immediately......
|by Anonymous||reply 65||12/07/2017|
Meanwhile EcoShailene chimes in....
|by Anonymous||reply 66||12/07/2017|
I didn't make the 3.5 million budget back? Has this movie has flopped? Sony payed 6 million for destribution rights but it only made 2 million at the box office.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||12/08/2017|
R67, the movie hasn't even been released properly yet. For fuck sake.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||12/08/2017|
It's only playing in 4 theaters. 2 million is actually great.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||12/08/2017|
Paid not payed. Jeez...
|by Anonymous||reply 70||12/08/2017|
CMBYN fans: “It doesn’t glamorize love between adults and teenagers!”
|by Anonymous||reply 71||12/08/2017|
Lol @ posting a photo of a 21 year old (soon to be 22) and a 31 year old to prove that point.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||12/08/2017|
R72, and what is the problem with 21y.o and 31y.o fucking?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||12/08/2017|
R73 There isn't one.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||12/08/2017|
We may know that there is nothing illegal or inappropriate about their real age difference, but the fact remains it looks like an adult man in his mid thirties and a teenage boy. If I didn’t know who they were and you told me they were a father and son based on the photo at r71, I’d believe you. Especially Armie in that dad-jacket.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||12/08/2017|
Armie really has drifted into full on DILF-dom, hasn't he? He's aged noticeably just since Call Me By Your name was filmed. He looks good, but he's only 31. Slow down, already...
|by Anonymous||reply 76||12/08/2017|
It's all that damn red meat he eats. It's going to kill him.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||12/08/2017|
Well he’s fathered two kids since they started shooting the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||12/08/2017|
2 million in just the US though, bear in mind it's been out in the UK for over a month.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||12/08/2017|
R75 Maybe in that photo. For some reason their height difference looks especially big there and Timmy always looks younger when he slicks his hair back. In most other photos and indeed in the film, it doesn't come across that way.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||12/08/2017|
FUCK OFF, R75. 21y.o is not a teenage boy. Are you a retard?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||12/08/2017|
But he LOOKS like one when he’s with Armie.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||12/08/2017|
R82, so what is he supposed to do? Kill himself because he looks certain way for YOU?
|by Anonymous||reply 83||12/08/2017|
Alone, I would say 20-21, maybe even 23.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||12/08/2017|
He's meant to be a teenager in the film...
Outside of the film he rarely looks like one.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||12/08/2017|
With Armie, 17.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||12/08/2017|
R86 I'd guess 19/20.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||12/08/2017|
The lesson to be learned from this is that Timmy should never push those glorious curls down.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||12/08/2017|
They are both so homely it doesn't interest me to see it. Is it erotic?
|by Anonymous||reply 89||12/08/2017|
R89 It's an erotic triumph according to the New Yorker!
|by Anonymous||reply 90||12/08/2017|
Well r89 that depends on your appetite for daddy-son.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||12/08/2017|
Clever use of camera angles and stuff make it so that the height difference is barely noticeable. I mean no, they don't look the same size, but I wouldn't go as far as to say father son. If you have the chance to watch, you definitely should. It was brilliant.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||12/08/2017|
No it doesn't R91, it depends on your appetitive for a terrific film. Homely R89? Not much point in you going to it since you are obviously blind.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||12/08/2017|
You can enjoy their voices and the music
|by Anonymous||reply 94||12/08/2017|
So what if Chalamet looks younger than his age? Some people do. He's still legal for all intents and purposes and way above the age of consent. His character is even the age of consent pretty much the world over (17). I don't understand this 'controversy,' especially by people on here who should know better. I can understand right wing lunatics lambasting the film without seeing it or knowing anything about it, but we've discussed the book and film and everyone in between for months. Could this be certain people trying to sabotage CMBYN's chances at the Oscars?
|by Anonymous||reply 95||12/08/2017|
It's not our fault that the hot button issue of the moment is a US Senate candidate who preyed on teenagers.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||12/08/2017|
The same age then as Armie now. 5'9". Would that make a difference to the pearl clutchers?
|by Anonymous||reply 97||12/08/2017|
[quote]It's not our fault that the hot button issue of the moment is a US Senate candidate who preyed on teenagers.
Would that be Senator Weinstein or Senator Spacey?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||12/08/2017|
R97 Interesting that you mention he's 5'9'. I have this really dumb theory that Armie's height was one of the reasons he got the role. Timmy is 6'1'. He's quite tall and I think they needed an actor taller than that because visually it would have been distracting to have the older guy being shorter or even the same size as the teenage lead.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||12/08/2017|
Armie got the role because Luca wants to fuck him and has wanted to since he first saw him in The Social Network.
Luca has more or less said this.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||12/08/2017|
Thing is, yes the height difference appears quite surprising when you see them alone in a photo together but in the flm Elio is clearly taller than both of his parents and they make a point out of commenting on Oliver's height. So it really doesn't come across the same way.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||12/08/2017|
You say that as if you think it is unusual r100. It really isn't.
Actors rather count on people being drawn to them. They are a muse.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||12/08/2017|
R100 That's why I said "one of the reasons". Also, agree with R102 the only difference is Luca has enough lack of filter to literally say he's sexually attracted to his actors.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||12/08/2017|
don't feed the pedo trolls, they are a pestilence on every cmbyn/armie/tim thread
|by Anonymous||reply 104||12/08/2017|
Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread before but Armie wasn't their first pick for Oliver. James Ivory even mentioned he invited someone to his house or something but the person didn't get the role.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||12/08/2017|
Wasn't Shia the first choice for Oliver? No matter how much older Armie looks, I'd rather have him in the role than Shia.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||12/08/2017|
Yes, it has been talked about in past iterations.
At one point James Ivory was going to direct this film, and he wanted to Shia Labeouf as Oliver.
[quote]No matter how much older Armie looks
The funny this is Armie and Shia are the same age, but yes Shia looks much younger.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||12/08/2017|
shia is fugly, totally wrong for oliver, who should be a "golden boy"
|by Anonymous||reply 108||12/08/2017|
Timmy said in a new interview yesterday that he even read with Shia. People can say what they want about how old Armie looks but otherwise he looks the part, he acted the part and most importantly he has incredible chemistry with Timmy. Shia would have been a mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||12/08/2017|
I love Shia!
SHHAAAAAN - DA - LIEEEEER
|by Anonymous||reply 110||12/08/2017|
From what I've heard Shia LaBeouf is no stranger to hooking up with men though. I had heard that rumor from a friend before, and was pretty delighted when that cocaine gossip poster said the same thing about him.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||12/08/2017|
I'm sure he hooks up with men, but that doesn't mean I want to sit through Chalamet licking Shia's mouth and I'm sure he doesn't either. Vomit.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||12/08/2017|
I always pictured Aaron Tveit as Oliver when I read the book.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||12/08/2017|
Tveit is cute but those nasolabial folds make him look even older than Armie these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||12/08/2017|
jeez, AT is 3 years older than armie and looks it
|by Anonymous||reply 115||12/08/2017|
probably because of my age, and both characters named "oliver" when I read the book i imagined ryan o'neal from Love Story
|by Anonymous||reply 116||12/08/2017|
Well, r115, when I first read the book, Aaron was playing Tripp on Gossip Girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||12/08/2017|
We should all be glad they chose Armie because now he has a friend with his own mental age.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||12/08/2017|
In 1970, O'Neal was 29, playing a 21-22 Harvard undergrad
|by Anonymous||reply 119||12/08/2017|
agree AT would have looked good in the role 6-7 years ago
|by Anonymous||reply 120||12/08/2017|
I have no problem with Armie playing Oliver. No one has ever met a tall, hairy 24-year-old?
|by Anonymous||reply 121||12/08/2017|
Armie really didn't look much younger when he was 24 to be fair.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||12/08/2017|
lol, i've meet a lot of 24 y.o. grad students, and they didn't look anything like armie
|by Anonymous||reply 123||12/08/2017|
Armie Hammer looks like no 24 year old I know. So it exaggerates the age difference to make it look more extreme than the 7 years it is supposed to be.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||12/08/2017|
And I don't care, R124.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||12/08/2017|
It works though. The average 24-year-old is not worth getting your panties in a twist for like Elio does.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||12/08/2017|
Aaron Tveit is a better dancer than Armie.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||12/08/2017|
Elio is the agressor/initiator and if given the choice between a 24 y.o "average" looking grad student and a 29 y.o. armie, do we have any doubt which crotch he would grab
|by Anonymous||reply 128||12/08/2017|
Both Hammer and Tveit were on GOSSIP GIRL around the same time, even both romancing Blake Lively.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||12/08/2017|
And I didn't even notice Hammer's character, R129. Trip Van Der Bilt, OTOH, I wanted to lick from head to toe, nasolabial folds included.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||12/08/2017|
R118 actually, by all accounts, Chalamet is known to be intelligent and mature for his age, so it appears that he is at Hammer's mental age, not the other way around. Hammer is not some dumb blond himbo, either. He sounds like he has a head on his shoulders and worries about the state of the world. He just needs to work on that filter.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||12/08/2017|
Considering Armie had a ball being filmed by Timothee peeing at the urinal, I would say it's safe to say they are both mentally 21 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||12/08/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 133||12/08/2017|
don't call out people on their fetishes R132 lol
|by Anonymous||reply 134||12/08/2017|
R132 So people can't goof off with friends in adulthood?
|by Anonymous||reply 135||12/08/2017|
Whom are we kidding? Shia or Tveit they would've sold the same story over and over of the actors being in love and we would've lapped it up. I am one who wishes it was someone other than Armie. Someone younger looking and a better actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||12/08/2017|
Armie does an excellent job as Oliver.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||12/08/2017|
Why would anyone want to make it so these two had never met?
|by Anonymous||reply 138||12/08/2017|
R138 that was funny and endearing.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||12/08/2017|
I like how Armie is sort of guiding him through this whole process. That was very sound advice he gave him
|by Anonymous||reply 140||12/08/2017|
Because PEEEEEEEEEE-deaux, R138. Dontcha know?
|by Anonymous||reply 141||12/08/2017|
Omg Armie just acknowledged this whole relationship is part of the "machinery" soon to be over. He really has no filter & just vomits the words out. Yuck. Atleast wait until the award season is over to say it out loud.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||12/08/2017|
R142 you sound cynical. I took it to mean that all of the hullabaloo and interviews and magazine covers and pretty much all of the fuss everyone is making about Chalamet now will subside after the Oscars, so he was preparing him for that 'cause no doubt Hammer experienced that with THE SOCIAL NETWORK.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||12/08/2017|
Cause that is obviously what he meant r143.
Awards season can be intoxicating to an actor. You are getting so much attention, praise, constant events to go to.
But all of that ends, and the world moves on. Enjoy the limelight for now, but recognize this is not real life, it will end.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||12/08/2017|
R143 That's obviously what he meant. If you don't believe their friendship is genuine after watching that then I don't even know what to say to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||12/08/2017|
Timmy will be 22 at the end of this month, so he's still impressionable where these things are concerned. Imagine a college senior getting this much attention and praise. It can go to anyone's head, but especially young people. It was good advice.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||12/08/2017|
Armie is so old looking, the Hollywood Reporter just assumed he was 35.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||12/08/2017|
Ok find I admit I might have made a mistake. But I still don't buy this "our off screen relationship is like our onscreen..." BS. Do people really not get they just want to sell their movie? Wow!
|by Anonymous||reply 148||12/08/2017|
R148 I mean, when they say the 'we did everything that's in the movie' stuff, it's clearly a joke. But their friendship is very real.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||12/08/2017|
But why are you so angry about this r148? What the hell difference does this make in the scheme of the world??? Oh my god actors might be exaggerating things, ALERT THE NEWS MEDIA
|by Anonymous||reply 150||12/08/2017|
R138, sta-tis-tics...sta-tis-tics......LOL. Love it.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||12/08/2017|
They're so sweet together. I totally buy this friendship. Can we talk about how Armie went to Timmy's little shared apartment though!
|by Anonymous||reply 152||12/08/2017|
This was one of the times he went. He captioned it 'a New Yorker in his environment'. You can tell it's Timmy's old building because his old roommate posted a photo of the same corridor.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||12/08/2017|
R150 Tactic of selling movies in this fashion is ok for movies like The Twilight. It pisses me off in general least of all a good movie such as CMBYN. I don't blame the actors it's the PR machinery at work here. Luca's narrative of being in love with his actors and them being in love with each other is cheap.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||12/08/2017|
Give it a rest R154. They like each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||12/08/2017|
R154 what are you, prejudiced or something?
|by Anonymous||reply 156||12/08/2017|
There's a big difference between loving and being in love. All these guys have said is that they love each other, which we can almost guarantee is true considering how they all talk about each other and willingly spend time together. I guess we'll see if they're still such good friends in a years time or something.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||12/08/2017|
I agree, but Armie has actually said he fell in love with Timothee. Repeatedly. The last time I remember him mentioning that was during an interview where he said he falls more in love with Timmy every time he sees him, which was completely gratuitous. Just saying he loves him would have been enough. Then again that's Armie Hammer, king of saying stuff that's not really that necessary.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||12/08/2017|
" They like each other" Now that I can see. You're finally getting it!
|by Anonymous||reply 159||12/08/2017|
Troye Sivan is reading CMBYN. I don't think it will ever happen but I'd like him to meet fellow twink Tim O'Tay.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||12/09/2017|
CMBYN got nods for Picture, Actor, and Supporting Actor (Hammer & Stuhlbarg) from the Boston Online Film Critics Association and the San Francisco Film Critics. Circle. I know they're meaningless in the large scheme of things, but they do often point to a trend. Both Hammer and Stuhlbarg seem to be getting in the critics awards, so they could both get nods. If so, it would be the first time since 1991. However, Luca seems to be missing out.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||12/09/2017|
[quote]However, Luca seems to be missing out.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||12/09/2017|
I find Luca very creepy his eyes are creepy. He made a good movie but the man is thirsty & creepy as hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||12/09/2017|
It's just his Italianness. He's intense, that all. I know, an Anglo will never be able to get it
|by Anonymous||reply 164||12/09/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 165||12/09/2017|
Not surprisingly, the North Texas Film Critics Association snubbed CMBYN in every available category, which contains 10 nominees each.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||12/10/2017|
R166 'I'm not a member of the North Texas Film Critics Association, but I know several: CALL ME BY YOUR NAME was neither screened for nor sent to its members, along with a few other SPC titles. It was *not* a case of intentional shutout. attn @NextBestPicture and others (@reelchaselee)'
|by Anonymous||reply 167||12/10/2017|
Why won't the members say something then?
|by Anonymous||reply 168||12/10/2017|
R168 Has anyone asked them? I don't know. I do know someone from Dallas who said the same thing: screeners haven't been sent and there was one invitation-only press screening where 5 people turned up. SPC have never been great at getting screeners to the more regional places.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||12/10/2017|
Lead all nominees with eight nominations at the Chicago Film Critics Association.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||12/10/2017|
I just posted this in Timmy's thread but it was a CMBYN win too, so why not post it twice. Celebrate that Lil Timmy Tim is killing the award game this season!
|by Anonymous||reply 171||12/10/2017|
[quote]I just posted this in Timmy's thread but it was a CMBYN win too, so [bold]why not post it twice[/bold].
Because we all read all the threads.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||12/10/2017|
Sorry, I'll keep my excitement to myself next time
|by Anonymous||reply 173||12/10/2017|
You don't have to keep it to yourself, but multiple crosspostings bore us and make us hate you. Post something once. Who wants to read something twice?
|by Anonymous||reply 174||12/10/2017|
I don't know. I tend to re-read books from time to time. Is that too weird?
|by Anonymous||reply 175||12/10/2017|
I was talking about posting the same post in different threads, R175. Not books.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||12/10/2017|
I only read the two CMBYN threads, and not the Timothy or Armie threads...
|by Anonymous||reply 177||12/10/2017|
I don't read the Armie thread, neither.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||12/10/2017|
[quote]Because we all read all the threads.
No, we don't.
I stay away from the Timothee threads because while I have nothing at all against him, he's not the focus of my interest in this film and there's only so much Tumblrina I can take. I stick with the main CMBYN thread and the Armie thread. I'm not bothered by someone posting info about an award win here - but yeah, cross-posting between the associated threads will probably wear out whatever goodwill there is toward you pretty fast.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||12/10/2017|
R179 so you are okay with the Frauen harping on whether Mrs Hammer should say she is pregnant now or in the 2nd trimestre or whatever, which is basically what goes down in Armie's threads. It's pathetic
|by Anonymous||reply 180||12/11/2017|
CMBYN receives three Golden Globe nominations- Drama Picture, Drama Actor and Supporting Actor
Wasn’t Gold Debry predicting six? LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 181||12/11/2017|
Luca got snubbed.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||12/11/2017|
A lot less than I expected tbh. But good for Timmy and Armie.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||12/11/2017|
Yeah I don't look at the Timothee or Armie threads either.
[quote]I stay away from the Timothee threads because while I have nothing at all against him, he's not the focus of my interest in this film and there's only so much Tumblrina I can take
|by Anonymous||reply 184||12/11/2017|
R182 not to mention James Ivory. Wasn't he a sure thing?
|by Anonymous||reply 185||12/11/2017|
Sufjan Stevens deserved a nomination as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||12/11/2017|
What does this mean for Stuhlbard? He was recognized by Critics Choice (alongside Hammer) but snubbed by GG. How will the remaining precursors (SAG & BAFTA) vote?
|by Anonymous||reply 187||12/11/2017|
I am not really surprised it’s coming in weaker in industry groups than from the critics
The critics were sort of alternating between CMBYN, Lady Bird and The Florida Project
But the industry wasn’t going to find them sexy enough from an industry point of view the same way, say, The Post or All the Money in the World with A list stars and director
|by Anonymous||reply 188||12/11/2017|
Isn't the GG critics/press too?
|by Anonymous||reply 189||12/11/2017|
They are press but not critics
|by Anonymous||reply 190||12/11/2017|
I don't mind Luca not getting a nomination but Sufjan absolutely deserved it.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||12/11/2017|
Screenplay at GG has adapted and original combined (whereas they're two separate categories at the Oscars).
They nominated 4 original screenplays and Molly's Game, which is Aaron Sorkin who they LOVE. Only one of his films has ever missed with them for screenplay and he won there for Steve Jobs and didn't even get nominated at Oscars. Ivory is still a lock for an Oscar nom and very likely for the win.
Directing is a crapshoot this year. Greta Gerwig and Jordan Peele also missed and they went for five white straight men. Expect backlash for this. No matter what happens at Oscars there will be 2-4 snubs although I think at this point Guadagnino probably wont make it.
Hammer was always more likely than Stuhlbarg with Globes, they like young, hot stars. The question was whether it could get both which it didn't. This could still go a number of ways (either/both). Last year Aaron Taylor-Johnson won the Globe and was snubbed at Oscar in favor of his co-star Michael Shannon.
Sucks for Sufjan but original song again can go a number of ways.
Timmy is the second youngest nominee ever in his category.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||12/11/2017|
[quote]Last year Aaron Taylor-Johnson won the Globe and was snubbed at Oscar in favor of his co-star Michael Shannon.
Define snubbed. ATJ's win was a joke and likely was bought by Tom Ford to say thanks for the sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||12/11/2017|
[quote]Directing is a crapshoot this year. Greta Gerwig and Jordan Peele also missed and they went for five white straight men.
Guillermo Del Toro is white but also Mexican so therefore fills the diversity quotient.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||12/11/2017|
So you think they should nominate directors of color just to fill a quota?
|by Anonymous||reply 195||12/11/2017|
Do not count out The Disaster Artist for Adapted Screenplay Oscar. Oscar loves to award screenplays about the artistic process. Birdman won over Boyhood and Grand Budapest Hotel.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||12/11/2017|
Birdman also won Best Picture, The Disaster Artist wont even get nominated. And The Disaster Artist is based on the making of The Room, hardly an artistic process.
James Ivory is incredibly overdue and is 89 years old. He would be the oldest winner in any competitive category. It will happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||12/11/2017|
[quote]And The Disaster Artist is based on the making of The Room, hardly an artistic process.
That's a stupid logic. Who cares about the original movie? The Disaster Artist has been getting raves. That's what's getting recognized.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||12/11/2017|
Kander and Ebb were “overdue” for Chicago and they lost to Eminem. Ebb died less than a year after those Oscars too.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||12/11/2017|
That CHICAGO song was terrible, though. Wasn't it a forgotten trunk song they went back to? Why was it even eligible?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||12/11/2017|
R198 My point is is that actors could relate to Michael Keaton's character in Birdman, they can't relate to fucking Tommy Wiseau. And it has good reviews, not raves. A 76 on Metacritic compared to Call Me's 95.
Kander and Ebb were songwriters, not renowned filmmakers. Their narrative of being overdue for an Oscar is not the same.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||12/11/2017|
R201 most actors will relate more to Tommy Wiseau than to an adult who fucks a gay teen in Italy
|by Anonymous||reply 202||12/11/2017|
Seriously r202. Tommy Wiseau's story is a person with a dream to make it in the entertainment industry. It is actually quite relatable to people in the entertainment industry.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||12/11/2017|
[quote]My point is is that actors could relate to Michael Keaton's character in Birdman, they can't relate to fucking Tommy Wiseau.
Keaton's character is a famous for playing a superhero who wants to be taken seriously as an actor.
Wiseau was a nobody European with no prospects who came to the US to achieve his own American Dream via the movies.
Like R203 said, most people (and actors) would be able to identify more with Wiseau.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||12/11/2017|
Films don't win Screenplay Oscars unless they're nominated in BP. The Disaster Artist is not winning.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||12/11/2017|
This is going to be rough week for CMBYN. A really disappointing performance at the Globes and most likely now a snub at SAG ensemble. yeah, things are not looking good for the award season at all. Well, it was always an uphill battle. still best film this year and maybe this decade.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||12/11/2017|
Call Me By Your Name gets nominated for best picture, best actor and best supporting actor, and you turn that into the sky is falling.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||12/11/2017|
You're obsessed with made up trophies. It's hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||12/11/2017|
Made up trophies?
|by Anonymous||reply 209||12/11/2017|
I've started reading James Ivory's screenplay. It's a masterpiece, the film belongs to him. The actors breathed life into it; Luca did his part and Sufjan provided atmosphere but Ivory created the film. I have no idea why he hasn't been nominated.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||12/11/2017|
[quote] Call Me By Your Name-ness
^ word of the year
|by Anonymous||reply 211||12/11/2017|
There’s a very good chance The Disaster Artist will get a BP nomination. It’s on many Top Ten lists.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||12/11/2017|
And to think, this time last year, I had dismissed both The Disaster Artist and CMBYN as little indies that would go straight to Netflix or something. And here we are and they're both major Oscar contenders.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||12/11/2017|
R210 Could the wrangling between Ivory and Luca over the latter's writing credit have had an effect?
|by Anonymous||reply 214||12/11/2017|
R214, I heard that it is indeed the case of those two fighting behind the scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||12/11/2017|
[quote]I've started reading James Ivory's screenplay. It's a masterpiece, the film belongs to him. The actors breathed life into it; Luca did his part and Sufjan provided atmosphere but Ivory created the film. I have no idea why he hasn't been nominated.
And we can't forget, James Ivory intended for the movie to embrace nudity.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||12/11/2017|
R216, enough already with your fucking nudity.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||12/11/2017|
Grandpappy Ivory wants to oogle some hot young cock!
|by Anonymous||reply 218||12/11/2017|
It could simply be that the Globes like the other screenplays better.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||12/11/2017|
[quote]Grandpappy Ivory wants to oogle some hot young cock!
not that there's anything wrong with that
|by Anonymous||reply 220||12/11/2017|
Of the three big gay movies this year, this is the only one that avoids nudity. How dare they do that to poor ole Ivory's vision.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||12/11/2017|
R212 No there isn't. A24 are not getting three films into Best Picture and Lady Bird and The Florida Project are far more likely.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||12/11/2017|
There can be up to 10 best picture nominees r222, it is quite likely Disaster Artist will get nominated.
In my opinion it absolutely should.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||12/11/2017|
R222 why do you post the same thing on multiple threads? It's so annoying
|by Anonymous||reply 224||12/11/2017|
R223 It doesn't matter, one studio is not going to get three films in, it doesn't happen. Especially not for a small indie studio like A24.
One pundit out of 26 is predicting it, and that's in 10th place and there's never actually been 10 nominees with the new voting system, only ever 8 or 9. It's not happening.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||12/11/2017|
R224 That's the first time I've done it and it was a mistake. Get over it.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||12/11/2017|
I wouldn’t be surprised if The Florida Project doesn’t get a BP nom. It’s poor showing at the Globes (single s.a. nom for Dafoe) signifies potential weakness.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||12/11/2017|
[quote][R216], enough already with your fucking nudity.
R217, enough already with your fucking Pristeena Prisscilowicz self.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||12/11/2017|
[quote] Could the wrangling between Ivory and Luca over the latter's writing credit have had an effect?
As a longtime Merchant-Ivory fan who's read and seen a lot about James Ivory - I'm of the opinion that he and Luca & Co. are not on great terms, no matter what they try to put out there for public consumption. Luca said that getting removed from the screenplay credits was no big deal, but come the fuck on. And Ivory has let slip several little asides that have been telling. It may be that the HPFA didn't want to get involved in the whole thing, but I think it's more that they just didn't feel the film as much as the critics do.
[quote]James Ivory is incredibly overdue and is 89 years old. He would be the oldest winner in any competitive category. It will happen.
I still feel a lot of hope for Ivory getting an Oscar - I feel like the film will be embraced more by AMPAS. I think he will certainly be nominated.
[quote]And we can't forget, James Ivory intended for the movie to embrace nudity.
I was surprised, when I read the screenplay, at just how blunt the 'midnight' scene is as written - Ivory did NOT play.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||12/11/2017|
R229 Yeah the bit where Oliver rubs the cum into Elio's chest? I mean I appreciate it but that version of the film wouldn't have come anywhere near awards.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||12/11/2017|
R230 isn't it rubbing it off rather than into?
|by Anonymous||reply 231||12/12/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 232||12/12/2017|
Do you think Ivory jerked off multiple times while writing that script? It sounds like those fan-fictions that fangirls furiously type out online, while fingering their pussies no doubt!
|by Anonymous||reply 233||12/12/2017|
CMBYN tops the nomination count at 2018 Australian Academy Awards.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||12/12/2017|
CMBYN named one of the top 10 films of the year by African American Film Critics Association. One of the only two "white" films, along with 3 Billboards, to do so this year.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||12/12/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 236||12/12/2017|
R236 That's actually pretty impressive.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||12/12/2017|
Monsters Inc. gay fanfic on the way
|by Anonymous||reply 238||12/12/2017|
Luca is going to make a movie with Jennifer Lawrence!
It's set in 1830s Iceland and sounds absolutely terrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||12/12/2017|
I could buy J.Law as Icelandic. She has those apple cheeks and Asian eyes.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||12/12/2017|
Can we have call me by your name 2 instead please
|by Anonymous||reply 241||12/12/2017|
HuffPost entertainment editor lists his 18 favorite movies of last year, and this one is number one
|by Anonymous||reply 242||12/12/2017|
[quote]Luca is going to make a movie with Jennifer Lawrence!
Luca has a number of projects in the pipeline, and all of them sound meh as fuck except the CMBYN sequel, which could be a trainwreck or could be all right, depending. Somebody needs to tell him quality, not quantity.
JLaw and Luca does not make me want to run to the theater. She hasn't given a performance worth mentioning since Winter's Bone.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||12/12/2017|
[QUOTE]which could be a trainwreck or could be all right
The former. Luca has already said he doesn't think Elio will end up as a gay man and instead would have an intense relationship with Marzia, and I think if he actually made that kind of film it'd lead to a sizable backlash.
I have a feeling I'm going to be accused of bi-erasure for that. I just don't buy the idea of it being possible to have an intense relationship with what is essentially the runner-up prize.
Plus he also said he doesn't think he needs to follow the book, and I'm guessing after his falling out with Ivory that means he'd plan to write the script too, and I don't think he's talented enough for that.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||12/12/2017|
I tend to agree with you, r244, but I was trying to give Luca the benefit of the doubt for once.
I can buy Elio as bisexual, as someone who will have relationships with men and women throughout his life. But I can't buy that he would turn to Marzia again after his experiences that summer and say 'Hey, YOU'RE what I really want and need!'. Please. It feels so regressive. Introduce a new female character for him if you must, but I want better for Marzia - she already knows what's up with Elio at the end of the film. For God's sake, girl, go find a guy who's about you and only you, and forget this one who's in love with somebody else and is all over the fucking place. The relationship is doomed before it starts. Do I really want to watch two hours of that?
By leaving out the postcard and some of those details, Luca has already made it impossible to bring us to some of the most devastating points of the last part of the novel, at least in the same way. I don't know how much faith to have in his writing ability either. In recent days Andre Aciman - who has declared before that he's said all he has to say about these characters - has stated that Luca wants his input for the sequel(s), wants to collaborate, but somehow that doesn't make me feel much better. He has made it sound like he's pretty detached from these characters now, so God knows what he and Luca will do.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||12/13/2017|
Excuse me R243, how many award-winning films have you produced? Directed? No?
I see, so you feel qualified and fit to tell Luca what kind of projects he should be involved in? Some people....
|by Anonymous||reply 246||12/13/2017|
R244 but you are talented enough to write a winning script?
|by Anonymous||reply 247||12/13/2017|
Luca should direct Magic Mike 3: Now With Even Less Nudity!
|by Anonymous||reply 248||12/13/2017|
Newsflash: you don't have to be a filmmaker to have an opinion about a film or a filmmaker's work, just like you don't have to be a chef to have an opinion about the food you eat in a restaurant, or a hairstylist to have an opinion about the cut you get at the salon. You don't have to be a writer to have an opinion about a writer. Claiming otherwise is just a way to shut down an opinion that you disagree with. I'm not 'telling' Luca anything - I don't know him. I'm expressing my opinions, as is R244, which is something that we have been doing here on DL for a very long time. Sometimes those opinions are negative, impolite or bitchy as hell, and that is also part of DL. If you want opinions that are all rainbows, hearts and unicorns, carefully arranged in lockstep, then head back to Tumblr.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||12/13/2017|
I'm not hating on Luca's writing skills, to be perfectly honest we don't know how much influence he actually had over CMBYN screenplay. And he did a damn good job directing, every shot was fucking perfect. That being said, I reckon he'd piss off a lot of his audience if he runs with a straight storyline in the sequel(s). Yes, the fangirls, but also anyone looking for a gay story with a decent ending. This has the potential to end differently from your suicide/HIV/etc. storyline. Can you imagine a gay couple in the 90s that doesn't end up dead? I know that was the reality back then, but not everyone died? I think that would make a brill storyline.
As for Aciman's ending, I HOPE Luca doesn't take the the story down that vein, it was shit. Elio spent the rest of his life a shell of a man. Screw that.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||12/13/2017|
[quote]As for Aciman's ending, I HOPE Luca doesn't take the the story down that vein, it was shit. Elio spent the rest of his life a shell of a man.
Maybe it's Aciman's real story. He couldn't get Oliver, so he settled for Marizia, and is "a shell of a man."
|by Anonymous||reply 251||12/13/2017|
That is so depressing. Maybe that's why he claims they're not his characters anymore. He's trying to distance himself from the reality.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||12/13/2017|
So, both Hammer and Stuhlbarg missed out on SAG, but Chalamet got a Best Actor nod. Instead, they put Steve Carrell (BATTLE OF THE SEXES) and Woody Harrelson (THREE BILLBOARDS) in Supporting, two names I hadn't seen in Supporting yet. I would't count Hammer out yet 'cause every year a SAG nominee in each acting category doesn't make it to the Oscars. I doubt Carrell will go far, because his movie is dead in the water. But Stuhlbarg is in danger, I believe, because he's now missed GG and SAG.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||12/13/2017|
[quote] I would't count Hammer out yet 'cause every year a SAG nominee in each acting category doesn't make it to the Oscars.
Like his own SAG nod for 'J. Edgar" in 2011. The other nominees (Branagh, Plummer, Hill, Nolte) eventually got an Oscar nod, as well, but Max von Sydow in that "Extremely Loud" movie was Oscar-nominated in Hammer's place.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||12/13/2017|
[quote]I doubt Carrell will go far, because he is the most annoying actor in history.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||12/13/2017|
I think CMBYN will perform better at BAFTAs, and that will outweigh this SAG mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||12/13/2017|
I agree CMBYN should do better at BAFTAs but I doubt it will do well enough to offset a string of industry snubs and critic group underperformance it had so far. Too bad....
|by Anonymous||reply 257||12/13/2017|
There's been confirmation that the studio have messed up in regards to the minor critics groups by not sending screeners to a lot of them. Makes sense because at all the major ones it's performing well. I'm just happy for this film to have some kind of presence at every award show, to be as critically acclaimed as it is and for Timmy to be such a major star whose performance is clearly undeniable.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||12/13/2017|
Do you supposed Hammer was SAG-snubbed because of that Hollywood Reporter article and the fallout? I just realized that, though they nominated Affleck last year (before shit hit the fan), they awarded Denzel instead.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||12/13/2017|
The lack of an Ensemble nom points to it just being that the film is not being received well as it is among critics groups.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||12/13/2017|
An ensemble nom was always a stretch. Look at the actual nominees, they all have far more significant roles.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||12/13/2017|
[R260] Or the simple fact the story is 90% about only two characters – not much of an ensemble.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||12/13/2017|
Sufjan Stevens Nearly Played The Narrator In Luca Guadagnino’s “Call Me By Your Name”:"...They had retained the monologue from the older Elio, and he initially asked me to be the voice of the older Elio; to contribute that voiceover. He also asked if I wanted to appear in the movie as a bard, performing the song, almost as a break in the narrative. I got back to him and I said, “I think this voiceover is a mistake, and I think the interruption of me singing the song is a mistake.” I think he was just thinking out loud. I don’t know if he was really committed to the idea. So I said, “I’ll write you some songs, but that’s all I think you need from me.” And he agreed. When I saw the first edit, he said, “You were right, this doesn’t need a monologue or an interruption...."
What a terrible idea this would have been. Thank God it never happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||12/14/2017|
I just saw it. I thought it had flaws, but was overall pretty damn amazing. The age difference made no difference to me. Ollie was 17. Not 12.
It hit me hard on an emotional level because when I was 17 I was madly in love with a 27 year old and awkwardly did everything I could to make him like me. Btw, we ended up being together for a decade.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||12/14/2017|
Oops...Elio not Ollie. Sorry it's late.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||12/14/2017|
I am curious R264 what's your age group? Are you male or female?
|by Anonymous||reply 266||12/14/2017|
I'm male. 37.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||12/14/2017|
What r261 and r262 said.
There is not much ensemble acting to this movie.
La La Land didn't get an ensemble nod for the same reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||12/14/2017|
R267 you are a grown up male and 'it hits you on an emotional level'? Are you sure you are not making this up?
|by Anonymous||reply 269||12/14/2017|
So he was affected by a well-made film. Is that so wrong?
|by Anonymous||reply 270||12/14/2017|
R269 did you not read the rest of that sentence?
[Quote] because when I was 17 I was madly in love with a 27 year old and did everything I could to make him like me
I.e R264 could relate to the story
|by Anonymous||reply 271||12/14/2017|
Why can't grown men get emotional? That's such a stupid stereotype.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||12/15/2017|
It should be noted that R269 is the same poster who thinks only other directors can have opinions on a director's work - so most likely a troll, or at the very least utterly lacking in any logic.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||12/15/2017|
I couldn't fucking care less if you think of me less of a man because a movie, one that mirrored a very impactful time of my life, made me emotional. For the record, I'm known for being cold. So the fact something got under my skin? It's rare. Kindly fuck off now.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||12/15/2017|
I was with you, R274, until you said "impactful."
|by Anonymous||reply 275||12/15/2017|
But you do care R274, otherwise you will not be posting again and again how manly you think you are despite everything.
I think you are too impressionable. At your age it's not a good thing, so I truly doubt you are who you say you are. I'm sure you've just made it up for kicks and giggles.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||12/15/2017|
I'm posting because I have a cold and am bored as hell. Trust me. Couldn't care less.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||12/15/2017|
R276 why don't you think grown men can be emotional? You sound deranged.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||12/15/2017|
If you think that makes them seem deranged, you should read the "compatibility assessments" that same poster wrote in the Armie thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||12/15/2017|
Somebody has too much time on their hands.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||12/15/2017|
I didn't cry but I was pretty close. I thought it was a charming, and deeply affecting film that has been in my mind since, a bit like the book when I read it some months ago. I'm 36 and male and, for what it's worth, other not-so-young guys were audibly sobbing/sniffling at the movie theatre where I was.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||12/15/2017|
Does anyone know what is going on with Luca's "Suspiria"?
|by Anonymous||reply 282||12/15/2017|
I watched it in London and there was a rather old looking fella who was sniffling loudly the whole film. Not sure if he just had a cold or was actually deeply affected from the very first scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||12/15/2017|
R278 over a harmless film? No
I bet there is some of us who have had to deal with more complicated things in life. I don't get emotional over fiction but over reality. You know, things that happen in real life?
You sound like one of those sad millennial shrinking violets
|by Anonymous||reply 284||12/16/2017|
Do we need to pretend that adult men don't cry watching films? LOL chill R284 we all have to deal with shit in real life, but many of us still manage to get emotional when we're enjoying fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||12/16/2017|
But you read them R279, R280 so you have enough time apparently. You also seem to have enough time to read my previous posts on other threads.
But I'll repeat it again because it obviously stung, I think it is SAD and PATHETIC that men burst into tears over trivia like cmbyn
|by Anonymous||reply 286||12/16/2017|
R282, no idea. Hasn't it been released already or is it taking a backseat due to the oscar buzz surrounding cmbyn?
Anyone has seen it?
|by Anonymous||reply 287||12/16/2017|
How this wet and jejeune flick ever got as far as it has is testament to the low base mentality of gay Millennials. Then again, the equally banal Beautiful Thing was similarly hailed a decade ago. Given such story telling is the perennial low bar for poofs, perhaps they should just reshoot Love Story as a lavender flick every decade.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||12/16/2017|
R288, For a self-hating homophobic trolling poof yourself, you seem to be well versed in gay cinema. You, old spiteful cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||12/16/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 290||12/16/2017|
Ignore the ginormous troll that's wandered onto this thread.
Also, I really enjoyed Beautiful Thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||12/16/2017|
I would have enjoyed Beautiful Thing if it had had subtitles.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||12/16/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 293||12/16/2017|
The movie expanded from nine locations to 30 houses this weekend, and is expected to pass $2 million...
|by Anonymous||reply 294||12/16/2017|
[quote]I would have enjoyed Beautiful Thing if it had had subtitles.
Haha, I too had a hard time following it, but I still enjoyed it to death. I was the same age as those teens (16) when the movie came out, though I saw it on home video a year later. Anyway, the scene where Jamie offers to rub lotion on Ste. He starts on his back, but when he instructs him to turn over, Ste hesitates saying, "I'm knackered." For the longest time, I thought he was saying "I'm naked." I was like, "But he has his boxers on." It wasn't until I befriended a Brit in my twenties and we watched the film together that she explained what 'knackered' means and that Ste got a boner from Jamie massaging his back. That's why he didn't want to turn over and feigned sleepiness.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||12/16/2017|
The knackered thing is understandable, but couldn't you have worked out the second bit, when he gets the hard-on R295 without any help?
|by Anonymous||reply 296||12/16/2017|
I thought knackered meant tired
|by Anonymous||reply 297||12/16/2017|
It does, R297
|by Anonymous||reply 298||12/16/2017|
I watched it with the close captions on, easy-peasy
|by Anonymous||reply 299||12/16/2017|
R296 Oh, I see my sentences were badly constructed. It should've read something like this:
It wasn't until I befriended a Brit in my twenties and we watched the film together that I learned what 'knackered' means. She further explained that Ste got a boner from Jamie massaging his back. That's why he didn't want to turn over and feigned sleepiness. I had missed all that context in my teens, because I couldn't understand what was being said. But I still loved their chemistry.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||12/16/2017|
If they had chemistry, why did one mind turning over, exposing his boner? Isn't that the point?
|by Anonymous||reply 301||12/16/2017|
Bless your heart, R295.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||12/16/2017|
Is "Ste" short for "Steven"?
|by Anonymous||reply 303||12/16/2017|
He didn't refuse to turn over, he just hesitated.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||12/16/2017|
And The movie had a happy ending
"Make your own kind of music even if nobody else sings along...".
|by Anonymous||reply 305||12/16/2017|
Are you talking about a different movie than CMBYN, R305?
|by Anonymous||reply 306||12/16/2017|
Ste’s penis was the true Beautiful Thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||12/16/2017|
R301 Ste was closeted at the time. He was neighbors with Jamie though they never interacted 'cause Ste was a jock and Jamie a classic Hollywood nerd. Anyway, one night Ste's dad roughed him up pretty bad, and Jamie's mom took him in. That's when Jamie offered to rub lotion on the bruises on his back..
|by Anonymous||reply 308||12/16/2017|
R303 yes, his full name is Steven. At one point, Leah calls him that to get his full attention. I don't know why the Brits shorten it to Ste?
|by Anonymous||reply 309||12/16/2017|
R299, they didn't have captions either at the theatre or in the video I watched. Did VHS tapes even have closed captions?
|by Anonymous||reply 310||12/16/2017|
R306 yes. Apparently, this thread has been co-opted by Beautiful Thing lovers
|by Anonymous||reply 311||12/16/2017|
R310 I think it's on youtube with closed captions
R306 they're talking about a british film called Beautiful Thing
On the note of a happy ending though, what do we think about the ending of CMBYN? Because there's that moment when Elio's looking into the fire and he smiles. It seems almost hopeful whereas the ending of the book was devoid of all hope in my opinion. ***BOOK SPOILER ALERT*** Idk some people reckon Oliver never went home, he did say the words the next day, but I'm not so sure. Would he even bother after 20 years?
|by Anonymous||reply 312||12/16/2017|
Oliver never went home??? You mean he never went back to Italy?
But in the book *************SPOILER ALERT*************************** he does return to Crema to see Elio.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||12/16/2017|
[quote]Would he even bother after 20 years?
I now have the opportunity to confront someone who ended it badly with me 25 years ago. I really thought I was in love with him and one night he suddenly ghosts me (which I don't think was even a word then). I found him this week purely coincidentally. I don't think I want to bother with him any further, but I think about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||12/16/2017|
R314 what do you mean he "ghosted you" ? Are you sure? Maybe it was a misunderstanding.
Have you spoken to him to clarify?
|by Anonymous||reply 315||12/16/2017|
R313 Sorry that was badly worded. He goes back to B (i.e. Crema in the film) after 20 years and says he'll be there for 2 days. On the first day Elio is showing him around and Oliver 'remembers everything' and Elio in his head is thinking 'if you really remember everything ...blah blah whole paragraph...then before you leave tomorrow, call me by your name'. Which I interpreted as, 'even after all this time, I still believe you're a part of me and I'm a part of you. Tell me it was all real' kind of thing. And then the book ends, before Oliver leaves. So does he actually leave the next day? Does he stay in Italy with Elio? Who knows.
R314 Idk if this situation is similar. First, CMBYN is fiction and secondly oliver didn't ghost Elio...
|by Anonymous||reply 316||12/16/2017|
He disappeared from my life completely, r315. We knew each other from work. He quit the job rather than see me again. It was before cellphones. I didn't want to contact him at home because he still lived with his parents (he had dropped out of college that year). I just wasn't going to deal with parents.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||12/16/2017|
Really, R316? Fiction, you say?
I was responding to the "after 20 years" aspect only.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||12/16/2017|
[quote]It seems almost hopeful whereas the ending of the book was devoid of all hope in my opinion. ***BOOK SPOILER ALERT*** Idk some people reckon Oliver never went home, he did say the words the next day, but I'm not so sure. Would he even bother after 20 years?
Andre Aciman himself has said that the book's ending is left open, and on purpose - so there's room for the idea of some sort of reunion. In that Vulture interview from a few weeks ago, he said of Oliver at the end:[italic] 'It is not said that he is going to leave. Elio thinks, “Tomorrow when you leave.” He might not be leaving. I wanted it that way. We don’t know.' [/italic]
Elio resists Oliver's earlier attempts to get him to come and hang with his wife and kids, to be presented as an old friend, because he still feels too much for him - and in the end, after all the revelations of the postcard and the print and the fact that Oliver has apparently kept a close watch on Elio's life across all those years, Oliver comes to Elio, sans family. So I would say that there is certainly the possibility that he indeed might bother after 20 years.
[quote]And then the book ends, before Oliver leaves. So does he actually leave the next day? Does he stay in Italy with Elio? Who knows.
See above. Aciman lets the reader bring whatever they personally have to bring to the story, and make their own decision about what the future holds.
|by Anonymous||reply 319||12/16/2017|
I think it was a bit shit of Oliver to invite Elio around to his family home to meet his wife and kids. Doesn't that say he clearly didn't feel for Elio what Elio felt for him because he didn't even consider the repercussions it might have on Elio. It was selfish of him to think 'Let me just invite this guy over who I know loves me, to meet the people I replaced him with'.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||12/17/2017|
Girl girls girls
THE POINT of the novel is that because Oliver was older he was able to contextualize the affair in a rational way, as just “a fling”
Because Elio was not mature enough when it happened, he became obsessed with Oliver and it ended up permanently damaging him
|by Anonymous||reply 321||12/17/2017|
R320, in the same Vulture interview Aciman says that what Oliver is trying to do by inviting Elio to meet his wife and kids is to 'integrate' him into his family - which I take to mean that Oliver is attempting to recast Elio as an old family friend, as he himself was recast with the Perlmans after that summer - someone who is not threatening to his family life. 'Honey, here's my old friend Elio, the son of those people I stayed with in Italy 20 years ago!' - not 'Here's Elio, whom I've never gotten over. I was banging him senseless 20 years ago while you thought I was just over there doing fellowship shit.'
Agree it's not the most sensitive move to try to do that to Elio. But does Oliver know that Elio still loves him at the moment he extends the invite? It's been 15 years since they've seen or communicated with one another. He's got to have some inkling a few moments later when Elio tells him why he won't do it, of course. But I don't think that it means he doesn't feel for Elio what Elio feels for him - I think it just illustrates that he has chosen to deal with it differently. He mocks Elio's reason for not wanting to come -'What a goose!'. It's almost like he's saying, 'What - you can't compartmentalize and push it all down like I do? Tsk!'
R321, it's pretty clear that they've BOTH been damaged by the affair to some extent - Oliver is the one looking at the freaking postcard on the wall every day with 'cor cordium'/heart of hearts on the back, and plans to send it back to Elio someday so he'll know what he wrote on it. If it was just a fling for him, he wouldn't have broken down crying when he talked to Elio on the phone nine years later as he and his family visited the Perlmans. He wouldn't have obsessively kept track of Elio's career over the years - Elio hadn't done the same. They are BOTH still obsessed.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||12/17/2017|
[quote] They are BOTH still obsessed.
You know what, R322, you pose a very valid argument. Being in Elio's head, I think I fell into the trap of only sympathising with him, and not considering how the years may have affected Oliver too. I'd like to think that they're both still obsessed (while the concept of obsessing for 20 years is a bit insane) because at least the loneliness wasn't one sided. That makes the whole ending far less depressing. I came away from reading it thinking Oliver practically ruined Elio's life because he was never able to fully get over him. I can deal with them ruining each other. That being said, Oliver was able to compartmentalise and 'move on', after 20 years he still has a loving family. Elio on the other hand is alone; his mum's become suspicious of everything (dementia? Alzheimer's?) his dad's dead, Vimini's dead, Anchise's dead. Elio definitely got the crap end of the deal, his life is so empty.
|by Anonymous||reply 323||12/17/2017|
"In yesterday's #CMBYN Q&A @ the Paris Theater, @RealChalamet answers a question about the coyness about gay sex in the film. He hopes that if a sequel' s made, perhaps he, Armie Hammer & Luca Guadagnino would be able to be more frank ("on edge") in portraying same-sex love."
I guess Timmy wants to show dong in the sequel.
|by Anonymous||reply 324||12/17/2017|
Well, good to know he's willing. Tbh I get the feeling he would have been okay with more explicit sex but Armie was the one who wasn't convinced. And, personally, I don't think it was because of the sex scenes per se but because of the millions of hangups he has with his upbringing and his mom and his family. He basically said he didn't want to do full frontal because he didn't want his daughter to deal with classmates making fun of her for having his dad show his dick in a movie which... like, okay, understandable but that's a pretty dumb limitation for an actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||12/17/2017|
These Q&A are becoming boyband like concerts, he is now being mobbed by an army of teenage girls.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||12/17/2017|
I hope he heeds Armie's advice about taking it all in stride, but he seems to eat it up.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||12/17/2017|
He handles it so well! He doesn't seem overwhelmed despite it probably being quite a shock to the system for someone who's never experienced anything like it before. The man's a natural.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||12/17/2017|
Has anyone else ever been mobbed by teenage girls because of an arthouse film?
|by Anonymous||reply 329||12/17/2017|
R329 lol not that I remember.
R328 He's so anxious and fidgety in interviews but with a big crowd of people screaming in his face, he's totally calm and gracious. I've seen plenty of people who've met him praising him for being so nice to fans and taking the time to take photos and talking to them. I saw a girl on twitter saying how she asked him to sign her book and he took the time to think about what he was going to write because he said he didn't want it to be the same he had written for the person before her.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||12/17/2017|
SPC’s Call Me By Your Name went from 9 locations last weekend to 30, holding well in its fourth frame. Starring Golden Globe nominees Thimothée Chalamet and Armie Hammer, the film took in nearly $492K, averaging $16,398, bringing its cume to just over $2M.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||12/17/2017|
[quote]he took the time to think about what he was going to write because he said he didn't want it to be the same he had written for the person before her.
A man after my own heart. I'm like that with Christmas cards. I'm not the type who just buys a box of assorted cards and calls it a day. I put a lot of thought into it and take my time with each and every one.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||12/17/2017|
Probably one of my favorite reviews.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||12/18/2017|
That was a wonderful review. And they got the feeling of the alley kiss spot on!
|by Anonymous||reply 334||12/18/2017|
I'm waiting until after I've seen the movie to read it, R333, but thank you. I saved it.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||12/18/2017|
When is it out where you are? R335
Does anyone have any inkling as to when it's being released online? Amazon and itunes have it on for preorder but no date :( :(
|by Anonymous||reply 336||12/18/2017|
Was this scene in the movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 337||12/18/2017|
A very similar one actually was, Timmy does go in for a handful at one point
|by Anonymous||reply 338||12/18/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 339||12/18/2017|
Yeah, Elio grabs Olivers crotch in plain view. He gets a handful, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 340||12/18/2017|
'am I offending you?'
|by Anonymous||reply 341||12/19/2017|
ayy there it is
|by Anonymous||reply 342||12/20/2017|
Wait shit, SPOILER ALERT ABOVE (if anyone's reading these from the bottom up?)
|by Anonymous||reply 343||12/20/2017|
R342 that link didn't work. It tells me: 'Alas, the page you requested was not found.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||12/20/2017|
R342's corrected link
|by Anonymous||reply 345||12/20/2017|
I guess we're gonna have to stop reading these threads until the movie comes out.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||12/20/2017|
Well the movie is considered "out" now.
That clip and many other clips from the movie have been posted on this prior iterations of this thread before the movie was "out"
Are there really spoilers for something if you've read the book and know what to expect? I mean that scene is straight from the book.
|by Anonymous||reply 347||12/20/2017|
But seeing it and reading it are two very different experiences. That being said, I loved the spoilers, they made me want to watch it even more! But I watched it in October so I suppose the number of clips that have been released now, I reckon you could piece together the whole movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 348||12/20/2017|
TC's performance as Elio is an essential case study in every film and arts textbook.
|by Anonymous||reply 349||12/20/2017|
If nominees could do other nominated films
"Call Me by Your Name. I would have for sure done that. It's such a beautiful film." — James Franco"
|by Anonymous||reply 350||12/20/2017|
Heh, would you expect Franco to pick something other than the gay love story.
|by Anonymous||reply 351||12/20/2017|
R351 Was about to say the same lol!
|by Anonymous||reply 352||12/20/2017|
All the privileges of homosexuality and none of the responsibilities
|by Anonymous||reply 353||12/20/2017|
Franco is happy to be seen as a leader of queer art...as long as the general public doesn't think he actually hooks up with men. Gotta make sure they know he is straight where it counts dammit.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||12/20/2017|
Watching the whole movie made me even angrier about their first sex scene. Because when you compare them to the straight sex scenes, it really is so obvious how they tiptoed around it. Yes they wipe off cum (shot from afar) and yes Oliver gives head two times but again, the camera doesn't face him and we only see his head going up and down. If there's a sequel, I really hope they allow themselves to show more. I'm not asking for porn, something along the line of the second Marzia and Elio sex scene would be more than enough.
|by Anonymous||reply 355||12/20/2017|
I do agree with you, R355, but giving Luca the benefit of the doubt, the tightrope he was walking is that if he made it too gay it would've been ignored. CMBYN is getting the attention it's getting because it's just gay enough - not enough to make the straight audience feel uncomfortable or challenged, but enough to make them feel all self-satisfied about them being an "ally".
If they had made that kind of film, CMBYN would be getting the same kind of attention as God's Own Country - not that much.
|by Anonymous||reply 356||12/20/2017|
Why don't I find the sex scenes in God's Own Country in any way erotic or memorable? Everyone always mentions that film as the example of how it should be done in that regard, yet I'm unable to see why. I know there was intercourse on camera but it failed to register and, as for CMBYN itself, yes there's intercourse between Elio and Marzia (quick and goofy), but I would never trade that scene for any of the scenes Elio and Oliver have together which, for me, are oozing chemistry and eroticism.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||12/20/2017|
That's the problem for me, R357. I haven't seen God's Own Country yet so I'm not gonna make a comparison here. But I didn't find Elio and Oliver's first sex scene erotic, I found it incredibly romantic and very beautifully shot. It was passionate and I liked it. But if anything, the only erotic moment for me was their first kiss, not only because Elio grabbed Oliver's junk but because you could litterally feel the sexual tension and the desire they were both trying to contain (well, Elio was forced to).
|by Anonymous||reply 358||12/20/2017|
And R356, yeah I get that and I agree but it's still very frustrating.
|by Anonymous||reply 359||12/20/2017|
I loved the foot massage, and feet aren't even my thing lol... But I see your point, R358
|by Anonymous||reply 360||12/20/2017|
R357 Totally agree with you. CMBYN is a much sexier movie than GOC.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||12/20/2017|
I thought Elio climbing on top of Oliver to kick off sexy time was pretty erotic
Plus, Oliver kissing up Elio's stomach pretty much mirrored what Elio did to Marzia earlier in the day. Guess the straight scene seemed more erotic because we saw boob? But minus boob, they were pretty much the same.
|by Anonymous||reply 362||12/20/2017|
The straight sex scene did not seem more erotic. Elio was looking at his watch the entire time thinking about Armie Hammer's Hot Cock.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||12/20/2017|
Plus the part where Oliver rubs his hands up Elio's back and then down onto his ass. It's absolutely erotic, idk how anyone can think otherwise.
|by Anonymous||reply 364||12/20/2017|
Here is all the nudity. Save what you want in case it gets taken down.
|by Anonymous||reply 365||12/20/2017|
More important than the nudity, I didn't realize the movie had leaked online!
Time to go download.
|by Anonymous||reply 366||12/20/2017|
You wouldn't know he got over excited here without reading the screenplay and realising he'd gone off in his shorts. Wish that was more clear because it illustrates early on that he literally can't control himself around Oliver
|by Anonymous||reply 367||12/20/2017|
R366 NOOOOOO!! If it's the first time you're seeing it, wait for a screening! So much better on the big screen. Honestly, your computer won't do it justice at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 368||12/20/2017|
One, I have already seen it actually. Two, it is not the big of a deal even if not.
|by Anonymous||reply 369||12/20/2017|
This one's funny
|by Anonymous||reply 370||12/20/2017|
[quote]Two, it is not the big of a deal even if not.
I'm sure everyone involved with the movie will disagree with that. It's a low budget indie. Support the film in theaters. Sheesh.
|by Anonymous||reply 371||12/20/2017|
R369 Do you not want a sequel? We only get another movie is this one brings in $
|by Anonymous||reply 372||12/20/2017|
If anyone can post a gif of the feet scene (or any shots of their feet), I would be forever grateful. TIA.
|by Anonymous||reply 373||12/20/2017|
Not Armie's feet but I'm sure it will be okay, R373
|by Anonymous||reply 374||12/20/2017|
With this leak has come gifs galore 😂 at least everyone is using their time wisely.
|by Anonymous||reply 375||12/20/2017|
R375, HQ gifs suddenly started appearing a few days ago - that's how I knew the leak was imminent. The fangirls had gotten hold of screeners. There could be only one outcome after that.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||12/20/2017|
Who exactly received screeners in the first place? The Oscar people? Was/Is there a fangirl among them? Curious to know who leaked it.
|by Anonymous||reply 377||12/20/2017|
Most Oscar-contender movies get leaked around december/january, the same happened last year. I suppose that some Academy members, or maybe movie critics (they get screeners too sometimes), are eager to share their luck lol
|by Anonymous||reply 378||12/20/2017|
Don't you think rival studios might leak them online too? To hurt box office?
|by Anonymous||reply 379||12/20/2017|
Stop trying to make a conspiracy where one does not exist. As R378 said, all the screeners get leaked around this time of year.
|by Anonymous||reply 380||12/20/2017|
Perhaps I'm prematurely jaded, but if you actually think what made it into this film is erotic, imagine what they actually could have done if they'd followed Ivory's script/the book for the sex scenes. What we actually got felt more teasing than erotic to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 381||12/20/2017|
Oscar screeners always get leaked online. Piracy is a inevitable fact of life.
[quote]I'm sure everyone involved with the movie will disagree with that. It's a low budget indie. Support the film in theaters. Sheesh.
The two are not mutually exclusive. You can both watch a pirated copy and support the movie by seeing it in a theater.
|by Anonymous||reply 382||12/20/2017|
Just finished reading the book in anticipation of seeing the movie.
A few thoughts -- would love to hear other DLers takes
The one question the book seemed not to answer at the end was whether Elio was gay or not. As in out and proud and only dating men gay. He was clearly still smitten with Oliver but who he'd slept with in the intervening 20 years was clouded over with non-specific pronouns and such.
Another thing that jumped out at me from the book was how quickly they jumped to having anal sex, which, as we know, requires some kind of lubrication (not to mention preparation) but the book has Oliver fucking Elio twice on the first night they hook up and then Elio topping Oliver on night two. Did they use olive oil? Spit? Did Oliver travel with lube? Was Oliver pretty well versed in gay sex?
One more thing was that Elio didn't notice things about Oliver that a gay man would have: no mention of whether Oliver had a hairy chest, smooth, where the hair way, treasure trail, armpits, glimpses of pubic hair or balls in those skimpy 80s shorts (it seems Hammer's balls actually did fall out on a number of off-camera occasions that needed to be edited out)-- this seems more likely to be because the book was written by a straight guy, but still.
I also wondered if the appeal of the book to gay men was because many of us have had these kind of straight friend crushes and in my experience they almost always end badly--the "straight" friend either rejects the advance or acts all awkward the next day or calls it a one-time experiment-- regardless, it does not lead to a hot and heavy 3 week sex-and-love-filled affair.
Final thing-- after reading the book, I do feel it was miscast. Just because one of the big themes was that Elio and Oliver saw themselves in each other (hence, "call me by your name" -- make me you). If Elio had been played by someone who looked like a mature 17 year old and Oliver by a younger looking 24 year old, the contrast between the physical similarity but difference is status and experience would have been more stark. I may reverse that upon seeing the movie, but that struck me.
Again, urious what others who've read the book thought. Thanks!
|by Anonymous||reply 383||12/20/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 384||12/20/2017|
[quote]"What we actually got felt more teasing than erotic to me."
Teasing is the definition of "erotic." Everything else is just shooting your load
|by Anonymous||reply 385||12/20/2017|
[quote] Again, urious what others who've read the book thought. Thanks!
You have 14+ fucking threads to find the impressions from.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||12/20/2017|
Thanks for your thoughtful reply R386
If only I had the time to read through all 14 threads....
|by Anonymous||reply 387||12/20/2017|
[quote]The one question the book seemed not to answer at the end was whether Elio was gay or not. As in out and proud and only dating men gay. He was clearly still smitten with Oliver but who he'd slept with in the intervening 20 years was clouded over with non-specific pronouns and such.
Yes, the book was purposely vague on that front. Luca, the director of this movie, has gone out of his way to say he doesn't see Elio as a gay man.
Personally, my read of the book (and I first read it before this movie was a thing), was that Elio was gay, or at least primarily so. We know he never gets married or settles down in the next 20 years. The awakening of his attraction to Oliver (and the subsequent realizing that men in the past had been into him) is more powerful than even of the feelings he has towards girls.
[quote]I also wondered if the appeal of the book to gay men was because many of us have had these kind of straight friend crushes and in my experience they almost always end badly
Of course. There is a very universal theme of being a horny young guy and obsessing over some attractive straight guy. Every gay man has been there. Except in this case Elio finds out the guy actually isn't so straight and they fall in love. It definitely knows how to pull the heartstrings for gay readers.
|by Anonymous||reply 388||12/20/2017|
[QUOTE]Teasing is the definition of "erotic."
Sexual teasing, perhaps, but that isn't what I meant. I guess it's erotic enough for the Tumblr girl types, for whom a GIF of two guys looking at each other is OMG the most romantic thing that's ever happened in the world ever. For some of us though, it had the promise of eroticism that ultimately wasn't actually delivered.
|by Anonymous||reply 389||12/20/2017|
An LPSG member wrote this in a Chalamet thread:
"I went to pee after watching the movie and I discovered that my cock was literaly leaking precum! The intimate scenes are really really hot even if you don't see much. And it's a beautiful movie. I was wet down there but my eyes were wet too, OMG. "
|by Anonymous||reply 390||12/20/2017|
Thanks R388-- I got the sense too that Elio was at some level gay but maybe closeted-- sort of the way he was a "Jew of Discretion" he became a "gay of discretion"
It's interesting too about Elio realizing at the end that guys had been attracted to him-- he may have put out more of a gay vibe than he was letting on. There's a lot about Elio as an unreliable narrator, that a lot of what he thinks is going on isn't and that everything is seen through the lens of this 37 year old man looking back at his 17 year old self.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||12/20/2017|
How does someone not realise they're precumming? That quote sounds like a woman pretending to be a man. "I was wet down there" pretty much seals it.
|by Anonymous||reply 392||12/20/2017|
in the book, unlike the movie, we know nothing about oliver except what elio tells us, and he may indeed be an unreliable narrator
|by Anonymous||reply 393||12/20/2017|
R392 beat me to it. That post is bizarre and cringey and does sound like a woman pretending to be a gay guy. Though idk, maybe that poster is like a 13 year old boy.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||12/20/2017|
[quote] For some of us though, it had the promise of eroticism that ultimately wasn't actually delivered.
For very few of "us" -- 95% of the gay men I have talked to about this film have found it plenty hot
|by Anonymous||reply 395||12/20/2017|
But hot/sexy and erotic are two different things.
It's the passion and intimacy which, for me at least, would change it from the former to the latter. And the passionate scenes just don't quite linger long enough to develop it.
|by Anonymous||reply 396||12/20/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 397||12/20/2017|
The movie is more romantic tension than erotic IMO.
Marco Berger in a movie like "Hawaii" for instance goes for more of a erotic vibe even though there is literally no sex scene to be found.
|by Anonymous||reply 398||12/20/2017|
[quote]How does someone not realise they're precumming? That quote sounds like a woman pretending to be a man. "I was wet down there" pretty much seals it.
Judging by his message history he's a man but obviously anything is possible. It's really not that extraordinary to not notice a precum leakage right when it's happening. I don't leak much and I generally notice it only later. I only leak when I'm hard so I assume the movie got the guy so hot he was boned up.
I remember meeting a heavy leaker for the first time. The guy was getting so wet during our spooning that his dick felt like it was generously lubricated. It's never been like that for me. So no, you don't have to be a frau to not notice a precum leak.
|by Anonymous||reply 399||12/20/2017|
I suppose maybe if they were exaggerating when talking about being "wet down there" (ugh) and it was just a small amount, but other than that, that poster - if he is a man - must be seriously lacking in sensitivity. And what is it with posters on sites like that and FMForums over-sharing like that? I feel like a need a shower, in the bad way, after reading some threads there.
|by Anonymous||reply 400||12/20/2017|
They didn't show dong! They didn't show dong! Ding-dong, ding-dong.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||12/20/2017|
Indeed, but they did show breasts.
|by Anonymous||reply 402||12/20/2017|
R400, you don't what the LPSG forum is? Guys post pics of their hard dicks there, videos of wanking and fucking. You really think someone mentioning a little precum leakage in a forum like that is "oversharing"?
And btw, like I said I don't notice precum leakage myself easily. And honestly I suspect that's the same with many guys. That's got nothing to do with "lacking in sensitivity".
It's you who sounds like a prissy frau, not him.
|by Anonymous||reply 403||12/20/2017|
That's a fair point I guess, I've only ever been in the celebrity section, and the users who type out their sexual fantasies on there are just weird. Sounds like I hit a nerve for you though.
Ah yes, you don't discover your precum until "later" as you apparently generate a special type of pre which doesn't dry like most peoples.
|by Anonymous||reply 404||12/20/2017|
R404, please stop trying to appear as an expert on male sexuality. You're just embarrassing yourself.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||12/20/2017|
I've haven't entered any of these threads before but I just heard someone refer to 'the infamous peach scene'.
What is that?
|by Anonymous||reply 406||12/20/2017|
Is this movie for snobs?
Am I supposed to know about Busoni?
Am I expected to be intimate with Liszt?
|by Anonymous||reply 407||12/20/2017|
R405 Given your posts in this thread have soley been a needlessly rude response to someone trying to start a genuine conversation (R386) and then trying to promote what I'm now guessing is your own post on another site, I don't think I'm the embarrassing one here. But sure, saying precum dries is me claiming to be an expert.
R406 It's exactly what you think it is. Come on, if you've heard people mention it, you can work it out.
|by Anonymous||reply 408||12/20/2017|
[quote]Is this movie for snobs?
Am I supposed to know about Busoni?
Am I expected to be intimate with Liszt?
it's for literate and educated people, you needn't worry you little head about it, just look for dong
|by Anonymous||reply 409||12/20/2017|
R408 does peach refer to buttocks?
( I was forced to read this light-and-airy novella two years ago but I've forgotten almost everything about it)
|by Anonymous||reply 410||12/20/2017|
R409 Is there any dong in this movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 411||12/20/2017|
No dong! No dong!
|by Anonymous||reply 412||12/20/2017|
[quote]Am I supposed to know about Busoni?
[quote]Am I expected to be intimate with Liszt?
Well you are now I've shown you, Oliver.
|by Anonymous||reply 413||12/20/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 414||12/20/2017|
[quote]then trying to promote what I'm now guessing is your own post on another site
Oh dear. What the hell would be the point of that? Stop trying to act like a precum expert and maybe people will take you more seriously. "you apparently generate a special type of pre which doesn't dry like most peoples", I mean geez.
Are you the CMBYN superfan who wrote tons of posts about the novel in the earlier threads? If I remember correctly people assumed it was a teen girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||12/20/2017|
[QUOTE]What the hell would be the point of that?
Well what was the point of posting it at all?
Now that, I am.
[QUOTE]who wrote tons of posts about the novel in the earlier threads?
That, I am not.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||12/20/2017|
[quote]Well what was the point of posting it at all?
I really have to explain it to you?
|by Anonymous||reply 417||12/20/2017|
Yep, you do
|by Anonymous||reply 418||12/20/2017|
ladies please take this to the precum thread
|by Anonymous||reply 419||12/20/2017|
R374 You are correct. TC's feet are a good substitute. Thank you!
|by Anonymous||reply 420||12/20/2017|
[quote]The two are not mutually exclusive. You can both watch a pirated copy and support the movie by seeing it in a theater.
Yes, exactly. Probably a couple thousand people AT BEST will watch the leak, and of those, plenty will be people who have already seen it in the theater and just want to rewatch repeatedly. The leak was always going to happen and is not some plot to undermine the film's box office.
[quote]What we actually got felt more teasing than erotic to me.
To me the midnight scene was shot in a very intimate-bordering-on-voyeuristic way, which carries a lot of understated eroticism - it felt like I'd stumbled upon somebody doing something that was not for my eyes, so cutting away did not bother me per se. My issue was the choice to cut away to the window like that - SUCH a cliche when it comes to gay sex scenes, It almost seemed like a parody of that panning away we've had to endure so many times. I wish they'd done that differently.
[quote]The one question the book seemed not to answer at the end was whether Elio was gay or not. As in out and proud and only dating men gay. He was clearly still smitten with Oliver but who he'd slept with in the intervening 20 years was clouded over with non-specific pronouns and such.
As an earlier poster said, that was clearly on purpose - Andre Aciman has said he doesn't believe in labeling sexuality, blah blah blah. To me, if Aciman had wanted us to know that Elio had only had relationships/sex with men over the ensuing years, he would have told us, so I assume Elio is not openly gay, but probably openly bisexual, since he was the one with the courage to 'speak or die', not Oliver - can't see him hiding what he is, whatever that may be. TBH, I find Elio more credible as a true bisexual (albeit with a slant towards men) than Oliver, despite the latter's lengthy marriage. Oliver from the outset seems to live in fear of people finding out who he really is - it drives him to wear a mask that in many ways has little to do with his true self: the 'arrogance' (mostly shyness, as Elio's dad observes), letting everyone think he was banging half the women in the vicinity, etc. So much of what he does feels like a gay man in the closet - and then there's this little tidbit, which implies heavily that he is sleeping with men on the side during his marriage. When Elio (who now has a beard and whom he hasn't seen in many years), approaches him after one of his classes and Oliver doesn't recognize him at first, we get this:
[quote]He was suddenly distant, as if stricken by the fear that we had met in a place that he didn't care to remember. He put on a tentative, ironic, questioning look, an uncomfortable puckered smile, as if rehearsing something like, 'I'm afraid you're mistaking me for somebody else.'
Sounds like a man who has run into his tricks in inopportune settings. We never learn much of anything about Oliver and his wife, what things are like between them. But there's never any sense that he's hugely enthusiastic about her or was motivated by great love for her in his choice to marry. Really, his marriage feels like a flight - from Elio and loving a man into what his homophobic family (and possibly the academic world he wants to inhabit as a career) will find acceptable. At least IMO.
|by Anonymous||reply 421||12/20/2017|
That all makes a lot of sense R421
I re-read the ending and it did seem as if Elio inhabited some middle ground, not quite out, not quite in--the "gay of discretion" I mentioned earlier. He likely did have sex with both genders.
Your reading of Elio's take on Oliver sounds correct, though it's clouded by the fact that it's Elio's memory and Elio's take--he had no idea what Oliver does or does not do. Still, I also got the sense that the marriage--which was young for someone of his background even in the early 80s--was a way to avoid dealing with being gay and being in love with Elio and what that meant. It might have been easier if Elio was his age, but also harder--AIDS was just becoming a thing then and from what I've heard/read there was a lot of fear and most guys who could fled into the closet since being gay seemed like a death sentence.
The other clue with Oliver is that one of them knew how to have anal sex and it wasn't Elio. I mean it's not that hard to figure out, but still the specifics of it--lube, fingers and all that--Oliver likely knew that.
I had not considered your read on how Oliver was putting up a false front--the "later" and bro-ish behavior from someone who was pretty clearly not the least bit bro-ish (knows classical music, philosophy, academic, etc.) -- he was shy and I know lots of guys who put up that front as a way to avoid being shy. Oliver was still very young too, very sheltered--and the idea of being gay must have been unfathomable.
So thanks for that insight.
I still go back to thinking that the book strikes a note because Aciman accidentally hit on this major fantasy for many gay men--what if the straight best buddy you had a major crush on back then turned out to be in love with you back? For many guys, the straight guy crush was someone they admired from afar, but for others it was someone we had gotten close to and all that overthinking and overanalyzing really hits home.
|by Anonymous||reply 422||12/20/2017|
So how much do Timothee and Armie get paid for this movie given its 3 mil budget?
|by Anonymous||reply 423||12/21/2017|
Chalamet would have been paid practically nothing given he was a no name, Hammer's agent would have been able to negotiate a higher salary.
|by Anonymous||reply 424||12/21/2017|
^ Armie should get 2½.
Timothy should get nothing because his career will go nowhere with his strange meerkat face.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||12/21/2017|
[quote], I find Elio more credible as a true bisexual (albeit with a slant towards men) than Oliver, despite the latter's lengthy marriage.
Same. I found it very noteworthy how Oliver was this American on holiday who had all of these Italian girls who were after him and he had ZERO interest in any of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 426||12/21/2017|
Plus Oliver was sharply angry with Elio in the back of the car when the latter was probing him about furthering his relationship with one of the girls.
As though Oliver felt he'd done quite enough to put up a good hetero show, and wouldn't be coerced further. And as though he'd been nagged before about not pursuing ladies with expected ardour.
|by Anonymous||reply 427||12/21/2017|
In the book R427, you get the sense (albeit from Elio's POV) that Oliver is annoyed with Elio because he doesn't need some 17 year old kid playing matchmaker for him and because he senses that Elio is taking too much interest in his love life.
|by Anonymous||reply 428||12/21/2017|
That's what Elio infers, that Oliver is being noble and more mature, but R427 's reading of why Oliver might have reacted that way, is interesting. It fits. I hadn't thought about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||12/21/2017|
Go see the film this weekend if you live in any of these places. Important to financially support.
|by Anonymous||reply 430||12/21/2017|
Agreed R429 -- I was just pointing out the POV of the book for those who had not read it.
Elio is totally clueless that Oliver is flirting with him in the book. He frequently decides that Oliver is mocking him or being mean to him and dissects every word or gesture in the way that only a lovesick teenager can do.
|by Anonymous||reply 431||12/21/2017|
The whole movie is posted on Gayforit, will I get in trouble for watching it?
|by Anonymous||reply 432||12/21/2017|
I had a friend that watched the movie on gayforit. She died.
|by Anonymous||reply 433||12/21/2017|
[quote]Your reading of Elio's take on Oliver sounds correct, though it's clouded by the fact that it's Elio's memory and Elio's take--he had no idea what Oliver does or does not do.
Yes, good to remember - it can be very easy to fall into Elio's headspace when reading the book, and not parse through enough what he says. Yet I feel there's probably some truth to what he was telling us there, simply because it's an odd little piece of perspective to drop in otherwise, from a narrative standpoint. It would also very much fit with Oliver's overall closety behavior and decisions.
[quote] I found it very noteworthy how Oliver was this American on holiday who had all of these Italian girls who were after him and he had ZERO interest in any of them.
Yes, really good point. A young, single guy with genuine interest in women would have taken advantage of that situation like crazy - why not? Yet Oliver only made it SEEM as if he were enjoying the feast, and we learn that in fact he was spending all that time alone, thinking about Elio (among other things). He clearly wanted the people in the area to think he was a ladykiller - why put on that performance, unless you're attempting to mask something else entirely? His relationship with Chiara seems to have mostly been a show - and once Elio was ascendant, she was no longer a factor.
[quote]As though Oliver felt he'd done quite enough to put up a good hetero show, and wouldn't be coerced further. And as though he'd been nagged before about not pursuing ladies with expected ardour.
Very interesting take. For sure, Oliver's anger with Elio over that situation seemed OTT. After all, what did Elio really do? Said a few ill-judged words, was a bit of a busybody. Oliver being the older of the two should have had enough perspective to blow it off, yet he was PISSED. Clearly it hit a nerve.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||12/21/2017|
The gay blogosphere giving James Ivory some love
|by Anonymous||reply 435||12/22/2017|
Probably hit a nerve because Oliver was already feeling all sorts of ways about Elio and now here Elio was trying to push him towards women. And this was of course after he attempted to make a move on Elio (the shoulder touching scene where he 'touched you...to show you that I like you...' - that we find out later). So he's probably feeling a bit shit about the brush off as well. His anger wasn't really OTT from his perspective, but yeah, Elio wouldn't have known any of this so it makes sense that he'd think Oliver just hated him for no reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 436||12/22/2017|
[QUOTE]A young, single guy with genuine interest in women would have taken advantage of that situation like crazy - why not?
The off and on girlfriend back home? Given months later he ended up engaged to her, it's obvious he and she were going through some stuff at the time, and not every man is going to deal with that by sleeping around.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||12/22/2017|
[quote] and not every man is going to deal with that by sleeping around
you do know he sleeps with Elio right , if not, sorry, spoiler alert.
|by Anonymous||reply 438||12/22/2017|
R438 So you think their relationship counts as "sleeping around" then do you? I guess you fell asleep in the cinema or something?
|by Anonymous||reply 439||12/22/2017|
[quote]So you think their relationship counts as "sleeping around" then do you?
Oh good grief, they were fucking like rabbits. Yes obviously they loved each other as well, but Oliver obviously wasn't too attached to his girl/beard back home.
|by Anonymous||reply 440||12/22/2017|
Okay, so the problem here is you just don't know what sleeping around means. Multiple casual partners. That's the "around" part.
|by Anonymous||reply 441||12/22/2017|
The movie most certainly has leaked and I found it at Gayforit but I was too scared to download it. And the quality was quite terrible (the file was 240 mb which for a two hour movie isn't much). It will take time before the movie reaches where I live, or if it ever comes here at all, so I really want to see it. I know downloading for free is terrible but when Brokeback Mountain was leaked I first downloaded it and later saw it twice in a theater and then bought the Blu-ray as well. So it's not like I don't support the makers. I rarely download anything illegal these days but with CMBYN I will probably make an exception.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||12/22/2017|
Only 240mb? Wow that must be awful, don't download it... I downloaded a 1,2GB file some days ago (the link was deleted soon after) and it's not nearly enough to fully appreciate all the beauty the movie has to offer. Fortunately I had seen it in theaters before that. I'd suggest to wait until a better copy is uploaded.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||12/22/2017|
There are much better quality versions that the one on gayforit, they purposely made it a smaller file size.
Anyway. Download away and just be sure to financially support it when you actually have the opportunity to do so.
|by Anonymous||reply 444||12/22/2017|
But it wasn't 'multiple casual partners', he was portrayed to be pursuing/messing around with Chiara. Just her. So Elio was seeing Oliver go after one girl, even if it was casual.
|by Anonymous||reply 445||12/22/2017|
[quote]There are much better quality versions that the one on gayforit, they purposely made it a smaller file size.
Times like these I wish you'd be able to rent the movie at home the same time the film is still in theaters. Especially with specialty titles like CBMYN.
|by Anonymous||reply 446||12/22/2017|
R445 The poster I was responding to said a straight guy would take advantage of that situation "like crazy".
But even stripping out the multiple partners aspect, it's still entirely plausible that someone with an on-off partner back home would eschew casual sex or even a casual relationship. Whereas Elio is obviously anything other than casual for Oliver.
|by Anonymous||reply 447||12/22/2017|
r425 = miskeit
|by Anonymous||reply 448||12/22/2017|
I really don't think so r447. Being a guy, knowing guys, it is hard for me to imagine Oliver wanting to go celibate all summer. Please he is a horny 24 year who gets to spend the summer in Italy a thousand miles away from anyone who knows him where he is the exotic catch everyone wants.
That would try even the most loving of relationships, much less one on the rocks.
|by Anonymous||reply 449||12/22/2017|
R449 So your theory is he's a horny gay guy who wants to get laid? What better place to head to, then, than semi-rural northern Italy! Oh yeah, that hot 80s Italian countryside gay scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 450||12/22/2017|
Huh? I don't know what tangent you are going off on, but it is not what I said.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||12/22/2017|
In R426 you agreed with the idea that Oliver is actually gay, with Elio being the "true" bisexual.
You then said in R449 that you find it hard to imagine Oliver wants to go celibate for the summer, that he's a horny 24 year old and everyone would want him.
So from that, I think it's fair to infer - especially with your talk of him being "a thousand miles away from anyone who knows him" - that you meant he could fuck guys with no-one knowing. In which case, you'd think he'd want to go somewhere with a bit of a gay scene, no?
But if you think I'm somehow misrepresenting you, please do feel free to correct me.
|by Anonymous||reply 452||12/22/2017|
The more I read these conversations and think about Aciman's intentions, the more I think the movie was miscast.
If Elio and Oliver were supposed to be mirror versions of each other, which is what created the deep attraction and lead to "call me by your name"-- make me you and I'll make you me-- the whole notion of them completing each other and being each other-- then it would seem to make sense for them to physically resemble each other some, for Oliver to be a better looking, somewhat older version of Elio Can't think of anyone off the top of my head--maybe a 24 year old Shia LeBoeuf (that would have been circa 2010-- see image).
Reading the book, Oliver seemed more like the overgrown college senior he was rather than a man, which was why the marriage thing came as a shock, but could be explained in context of wanting to avoid being gay in the 1980s if you didn't have to be.
|by Anonymous||reply 453||12/22/2017|
At some level I thought that Oliver being cautious with Chiara and Elio was about him not wanting to do something to offend the Perlmans -- I forget the relationship between Chiara's family and Elio's.
|by Anonymous||reply 454||12/22/2017|
The image of 24 year old Shia LeBoef I forgot to post at R453
|by Anonymous||reply 455||12/22/2017|
[quote]you agreed with the idea that Oliver is actually gay, with Elio being the "true" bisexual.
No, I was agreeing that I found the presentation of Oliver as a bisexual not exactly credible.
[quote]So from that, I think it's fair to infer - especially with your talk of him being "a thousand miles away from anyone who knows him" - that you meant he could fuck guys with no-one knowing. In which case, you'd think he'd want to go somewhere with a bit of a gay scene, no?
He is a serious academic, he chose where he was going based on academic interests.
My point is once he is there, we are told that all of the girls are after him, and then we are told he didn't get with any of them which I found very noteworthy.
To me that presentation is not exactly consistent with a character who is bisexual and has a serious interest in women.
That was my point, it really doesn't require so much argument.
|by Anonymous||reply 456||12/22/2017|
[quote]the more I think the movie was miscast.
Yeah there is definitely a more striking difference between Chalamet and Hammer than I imagined between Elio and Oliver when I was reading the book.
|by Anonymous||reply 457||12/22/2017|
[QUOTE]To me that presentation is not exactly consistent with a character who is bisexual and has a serious interest in women.
Because you think all men have to act a certain way - like a horny frat boy. And my point was that is simply not true, especially when said man is involved in an on-off relationship.
|by Anonymous||reply 458||12/22/2017|
Hmm I don't think Elio and Oliver are meant to look alike. They become a part of one another in spite of their differences. One example:
'It was the gold necklace and the Star of David with a golden mezuzah on his neck that told me here was something more compelling than anything I wanted from him, for it bound us and reminded me that, while everything else conspired to make us the two most dissimilar beings, this at least transcended all differences. […] Staring at his neck with its star and telltale amulet was like staring at something timeless, ancestral, immortal in me, in him, in both of us, begging to be rekindled and brought back from its millenary sleep.'
|by Anonymous||reply 459||12/22/2017|
I do remember that R459 but I thought Elio was referring more to their personalities-- Oliver was (seemingly to Elio at that moment in time) a very confident American "bro", the type who said "later!" instead of goodbye and who was probably an intellectual lightweight. The fact that he turned out to be none of those things was what piqued Oliver's interest.
And I didn't see them so much as looking like twins but as more similar in age- look at the photo of 24 year old LeBoeuf at R455 and imagine him with Chalimet. (Not suggesting they should have cast SLB) -- that Oliver was Elio's idealized version of himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||12/22/2017|
[quote]a very confident American "bro",
Did anyone, anywhere say "bro" in 1983, outside of maybe a fraternity?
|by Anonymous||reply 461||12/22/2017|
tMaybe it's because of the cover of the book (I can't really remember the physical description of the character) but I always imagined Oliver as Armie-esque. Fair haired, movie star, tall, intimidating. The type of man that could come in and completely knock a 17 year old that thinks he's straight off his feet. Something about their physical difference in the film really works for me. It's somehow more moving that they two such seemingly different people on the surface find such a connection with each other and it makes the reasons why they do (their Jewishness, their intellectualism) more impactful.
|by Anonymous||reply 462||12/22/2017|
[quote]I always imagined Oliver as Armie-esque.
I was thinking Ron Patimkin (L) at first, then Oliver Tveit.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||12/22/2017|
Wasn't Oliver meant to look like a movie star? That's Armie's type in a nutshell.
|by Anonymous||reply 464||12/22/2017|
'... it’s a story about predatory behavior and it’s being called a love story instead. And it’s being called a gay romance. This is not gay romance. This is not gay love. There’s nothing gay about this movie...
...It’s a heteronormative POV with gay content about a 24 year old and a barely legal 17 year old. If they were honest and up front about that I wouldn’t even be commenting right now. But don’t tell me this movie is one thing when I know it’s something else. This really is a good example of the old saying, “Don’t pee in my leg and tell me it’s raining....”
|by Anonymous||reply 465||12/22/2017|
You can now stream this film for free at 123movies dot is
|by Anonymous||reply 466||12/22/2017|
Can only imagine how many viruses will download themselves in the background whilst you do.
|by Anonymous||reply 467||12/22/2017|
Tech illiterate eldergay alert.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||12/22/2017|
Aw, someone's pissy that their inane ramblings were shown up earlier. It's not my fault you seem incapable of making a coherent argument.
|by Anonymous||reply 469||12/22/2017|
Man, you have issues. I was just making a joke. I had no clue that was the poster who was trying to argue with me, because I was not stalking you, unlike your apparent obsession with me.
Chill, it really isn't that serious.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||12/22/2017|
Oliver was the Perlmans idea of a movie star.
He was supposed to have been very good looking for sure, but I imagined Elio would be good looking too, just not really aware of it, still somewhat ungainly as he has no totally grown into his looks and completely unaware that he is good looking because he's sort of bookish. I think Chalamet was a good call on that. As his been discussed on DL countless times, guys who are handsome at 24 or 25 are rarely the guys who were handsome in high school, and the guys who were handsome at 17 are often losing their hair at 24.
As for Hammer, I think Hammer at 24 would have been perfect. See photo below of a 24 year old Hammer at some even in 2010. Then imagine him and Chalamet together and the age gap makes much more sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||12/22/2017|
There is no getting around Hammer looks his age, or even older. He doesn't pass for 24.
|by Anonymous||reply 472||12/22/2017|
If you look at the photo in R471, that's what a 24 year old looks like-- a slightly older college student.
That guy (Armie at 24) with Chalamet would have a completely different vibe than present day 31 year old Hammer.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||12/22/2017|
I don't think he looks 24 in that photo either, he's always looked mature.
|by Anonymous||reply 474||12/22/2017|
Then we know very different 24 year olds R474
I think he looks young for 24 in that picture, even with the suit on
|by Anonymous||reply 475||12/22/2017|
Him at 25. Looks almost the same as now to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 476||12/22/2017|
R476 that was at the 83 Academy Awards in February 2011, when he was 24 1/2. His birthday is August 28.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||12/22/2017|
R477 There we go then. If I can believe it there, I can believe it in the film. Margot Robbie was 22 here. Some people just look old.
|by Anonymous||reply 478||12/22/2017|
I think Armie was the perfect cast for Oliver but damn would it have been more perfect if he was 2010 Armie for sure
|by Anonymous||reply 479||12/22/2017|
Meanwhile in the sane world where crazy people aren't nitpicking their arguments into the dirt The Guardian just named CMBYN the best movie of the year!
|by Anonymous||reply 480||12/22/2017|
Of course The Guardian chose it as the best movie of the year. They probably would have loved it more if Oliver was transgendered.
|by Anonymous||reply 481||12/22/2017|
Mr problem with Hammer’s casting, even at 24, is that there’s nothing about him that suggests a Jewish intellectual. He’s like George Peppard. There’s a vacuousness there.
I would have loved if they cast someone like a young Bryan Greenberg, who has these very big, very Jewy, intelligent looking eyes.
|by Anonymous||reply 482||12/22/2017|
R482 you do realize you're in the minority here?
|by Anonymous||reply 483||12/22/2017|
I do think Hammer doesn't pull off a believable academic.
|by Anonymous||reply 484||12/22/2017|
James Wolk is another who looked older than his years. We even had an entire thread about it several years back, after he made a name for himself 2010-2013, with some posters even believing he shaved years off his age despite evidence to the contrary (e.g., 2003 HS graduation class photo). Now that he's in his thirties, he's starting to grow into his looks, literally.
|by Anonymous||reply 485||12/22/2017|
I saw a preview of this today, and I honestly have to say I don't have a compelling reason to see it. It looks like a real snoozefest.
I've seen people proclaim this move this decade's "Brokeback Mountain." Uh no, not even close.
|by Anonymous||reply 486||12/22/2017|
[quote]I've seen people proclaim this move this decade's "Brokeback Mountain." Uh no, not even close.
Thank God for that. Another BBM is not what I want.
|by Anonymous||reply 487||12/22/2017|
This is much better than BBM.
|by Anonymous||reply 488||12/22/2017|
Sacrilege ! Shut your whore mouth R488.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||12/22/2017|
I haven't read all the comments on this thread so I don't know if these points have been made (489 comments. really?) but I object to OP's premise. There is nothing inherently "queer" about this film. The film rather explicitly suggests that Oliver is at the very most bi and there's nothing to suggest that Elios identifies as gay. And how do we know both actors are completely straight and why does it matter? This film is about a moment in each other's lives. This isn't the same as, say, a series about explicitly gay characters like "Looking". If it were then the criticism that out gay actors weren't cast might have more merit. But that's not this movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||12/22/2017|
[quote](489 comments. really?)
You do realize this is a thread NUMBER 14 and the previous ones were probally filled with 600 posts each? And we're not counting the unnumbered CMBYN threads.
|by Anonymous||reply 491||12/22/2017|
R489 No. At least these actors show pride in what they've done rather than mocking it too.
|by Anonymous||reply 492||12/22/2017|
I am aware. Thanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 493||12/22/2017|
R488 Agree tbh.
|by Anonymous||reply 494||12/22/2017|
Wow that video was awful R492
|by Anonymous||reply 495||12/22/2017|
Yeah, sorry but i agree. Call Me By Your Name is a much better movie than Brokeback Mountain.
|by Anonymous||reply 496||12/22/2017|
Yeah, why are they laughing so much? Why is the audience laughing? Why is a 'tragedy' funny? This was only 12 years ago, were people really that close minded?
|by Anonymous||reply 497||12/22/2017|
*was hollywood really that close minded 12 years ago
|by Anonymous||reply 498||12/22/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 499||12/22/2017|
R486 I'm confused. Did you see CMBYN ("I saw a preview of this today")? It doesn't sound like did ("I don't have a compelling reason to see it"), so why would you boldly state that it doesn't come close to BBM?
|by Anonymous||reply 500||12/22/2017|
People forget how fast gay acceptance has moved, 12 years ago is a lifetime when it comes to this issue.
[quote]At least these actors show pride in what they've done rather than mocking it too.
Chalamet's "except for all the crazy stuff (hard laugher!!)" is pretty much the 2017 equivalent.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||12/22/2017|
[quote] There is nothing inherently "queer" about this film
It is arguably not a gay film, but it is 100% a queer film.
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
|by Anonymous||reply 502||12/22/2017|
Any ideas who the guy in third gif is from Oliver's inverted flashbacks?
|by Anonymous||reply 503||12/22/2017|
[quote]a 17 year old that thinks he's straight
[quote]there's nothing to suggest that Elios identifies as gay.
On his bedroom wall there's a poster of Mapplethorpe holding a gun. If he knew about Mapplethorpe (just going mainstream then) he'll have known about his core subject matter. Doubtful that your routine pussy-obsessed teen would have dallied with any such wall decoration.
Also on his wall is what looks like a poster for the work of gay artist Howard Hodgkin (I'lll need to freeze the DVD to be sure). So another possible nod towards Elio's nonconformist sensibility.
|by Anonymous||reply 504||12/22/2017|
[quote]Any ideas who the guy in third gif is from Oliver's inverted flashbacks?
Some people have identified him as a bit character who in the script but didn't make it to the finished film. I think that's quite possible - but what I really think is going on there is that Luca was repurposing footage of that character to pass off as Elio in that sequence, never imagining that Tumblr people would capture it, slow it down and do all manner of manipulations to remove the 'negative' image and see what was underneath. The guy does have a vaguely Elio look about him, when the cut is that quick and you can't get a good look at him.
[quote]He was supposed to have been very good looking for sure, but I imagined Elio would be good looking too, just not really aware of it, still somewhat ungainly as he has no totally grown into his looks and completely unaware that he is good looking because he's sort of bookish.
Yes, the way other people respond to Elio in the book is our big clue that he is quite good-looking himself - guys have been expressing attraction to him since he was around 15, and even Chiara had been, up until that summer, crushing hard on him (book Chiara is the same age as Elio - seems to be older in the movie).
Something I really liked about the film is the visual connection drawn between the classical art of handsome youths and Elio's looks - one review described Elio as 'the Barberini faun in a Talking Heads t-shirt'. Book Elio wonders what a Greek god like Oliver sees in him physically, and Oliver, being a guy who writes books about people like Heraclitus, could certainly see the visual echo of those Greek youths in Elio's looks.
|by Anonymous||reply 505||12/23/2017|
R504, if there was ever doubt that Elio might not be at least bi, that was undoubtedly answered in that final scene. I mean, that hair, that makeup, that manicure, that shirt. Elio screamed GAAYYYY! in a matter of some months, he went from Lacoste to Vivien Westwood.
|by Anonymous||reply 506||12/23/2017|
R506 Everyone looked gay in the 80s though, didn't they? The photos I've seen of my dad from then look super gay.
Not that I'm agreeing with that poster's premise at all. I think Elio is gay. I also think it's deliberately left open to interpretation so as many people can connect to it as possible. Gay guys will obviously, but even straight guys who maybe had a gay moment in their past can make it fit, etc. And the women can just get off on it or whatever it is they do. Get in the way, I guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 507||12/23/2017|
Yes, the shirt in the final scene is obviously a call-back to the shirt Elio's father insists he wears when the older gay couple visit, because they gave it to him.
So from stubborn reluctance to wearing such a lively shirt he leaves us wearing a similar item, evidently not under duress. In addition, there's an adorable twirl as he enters the room - before the contrasting conclusion.
Come the bleak midwinter, we cannot escape concluding, Elio is a significantly changed young man.
|by Anonymous||reply 508||12/23/2017|
R501 No it's not, I think he would have said exactly the same if referring to a female on screen love interest.
|by Anonymous||reply 509||12/23/2017|
Young Aaron Tveit, who is Norwegian but can pass for Jewish, also has these great thoughtful eyes.
|by Anonymous||reply 510||12/23/2017|
Armie Hammer’s eyes are just empty. Beautiful but empty. Like a very clean Alpine lake.
|by Anonymous||reply 511||12/23/2017|
[quote]Young Aaron Tveit, who is Norwegian
"Tveit was born in Middletown, New York, the son of Posie and Stanley Tveit."
|by Anonymous||reply 512||12/23/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 513||12/23/2017|
Joe Kerry has great eyes, and is only 25
|by Anonymous||reply 514||12/23/2017|
Armie was cast. He worked well enough to get rave reviews and be nominated for awards. If a sequel is made, Armie will be playing Oliver.
Can we give these casting suggestions a rest? It's done.
|by Anonymous||reply 515||12/23/2017|
I think the takeaway is that all those 25 year old actors-- Tveit, Kerry, Bryan Greenberg, 25 year old Armie-- they would have given the movie a different vibe, one that was truer to the book but would not necssarily have made for a better movie.
It would have been two boys messing around, so when Oliver says he's getting married it would have been a huge shock if for no other reason than it marked the end of boyhood, that marriage seemed like such a grown up thing to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 516||12/23/2017|
Aaron Tveit is 34. Bryan Greenberg is 39. Joe Kerry is ugly.
None of them are likely to have had as much chemistry with Timothée as Armie did, thanks to the bond they have in real life. Chemistry is the most important thing in the romance film.
They made the right decision.
|by Anonymous||reply 517||12/23/2017|
We can't fault Hammer's casting, the results have been amazing.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||12/23/2017|
Also, re: Hammer's "empty eyes" -- that was sort of a point of the book, that Oliver looked so different than the intellectual he actually was. Ditto his abrupt "bro-ish" manner (e.g. "later") -- the fact that he is actually a good and serious scholar takes both Oliver and the reader by surprise.
|by Anonymous||reply 519||12/23/2017|
And Elio refers to Oliver's cold/empty glares a lot. The warmth comes through as their relationship develops and I think Armie portrayed that very well.
|by Anonymous||reply 520||12/23/2017|
[R502] Queer is an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities who are not heterosexual and/or not cisgender. The film I saw was a moment in two men's lives. I know from personal experience that those kind of relationships can, and often are, a one off. That places neither character in a minority orientation. Perhaps you'd like to explain to the class what YOU mean by "queer".
|by Anonymous||reply 521||12/23/2017|
[quote]Aaron Tveit is 34. Bryan Greenberg is 39. Joe Kerry is ugly.
LOL, so true. We've had this bloody conversation about the wrong casting going on from thread one. I assume it's one or two people going on and on and on and on about it.
BTW, I wouldn't call Kerry ugly but his biggest (and only?) role is playing a high schooler so suddenly taking him as a 24 year old is a bit of a stretch. Not saying it couldn't work but at this point the whole conversation is purely academical.
R521, two men having an affair is gay AND queer. So there.
|by Anonymous||reply 522||12/23/2017|
[quote]No it's not, I think he would have said exactly the same if referring to a female on screen love interest.
Keep tellling yourself that
|by Anonymous||reply 523||12/23/2017|
R523 Well there's no way to prove otherwise, whereas it's blatantly obvious Gyllenhaal and Ledger wouldn't have laughed their way through an explanation of a heterosexual romance film they were in.
|by Anonymous||reply 524||12/23/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 525||12/23/2017|
The way I read it, the "crazy stuff" is alluding to the peach sex. Not that it matters, that old video is much more damning.
|by Anonymous||reply 526||12/23/2017|
It was a clear "no homo" joke. Weird, last time this was brought up posters widely condemned it as a misstep, and now some people are trying to defend it.
|by Anonymous||reply 527||12/23/2017|
r526 what old video?
|by Anonymous||reply 528||12/23/2017|
R527 I really didn't read it that way so I'm not going to pretend to now just because that may have been the consensus. It was just a variation of the joke they've been doing the whole time 'we did everything we did in the movie, except that!' If this was a film about a boy and a girl and the boy showed the girl around town before filming started, went on bike rides etc. they could still say the same thing 'we did everything we did in the movie, except that!' And yes 'crazy stuff' makes complete sense when one of the scenes involves cumming into a peach that the other person tries to eat. If they were remotely interested in being no homo then this last 11 months of promo would have been a completely different story.
|by Anonymous||reply 529||12/23/2017|
[quote] If they were remotely interested in being no homo then this last 11 months of promo would have been a completely different story.
Even well meaning individuals can put their foot in their mouth sometimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 530||12/23/2017|
[quote] look at the photo of 24 year old LeBoeuf at [R455] and imagine him with Chalamet. (Not suggesting they should have cast SLB) -- that Oliver was Elio's idealized version of himself.
In what universe is a 24-year-old Shia LaBeouf an "idealized" version of Chalamet?
|by Anonymous||reply 531||12/23/2017|
Chalamet is an idealized version of Chalamet.
|by Anonymous||reply 532||12/23/2017|
Shia is way shorter than Timothée and he doesn't look like a "muvi star", nor does he have the sort of Apollonian beauty that Chalamet owns, or the more idealized masculine appeal of Hammer's Yes, he's got dark hair and green eyes, and that's the full extent of their resemblance.
|by Anonymous||reply 533||12/23/2017|
24 year old aaron johnson has a punchable face
|by Anonymous||reply 534||12/23/2017|
[quote]Perhaps you'd like to explain to the class what YOU mean by "queer".
It is one of the gay equivalents of the N word. It should be called the Q word, no matter how many ninnies like you try to...what do you call it?...oh, yeah, "reclaim" it.
I laugh at you. Not with you.
|by Anonymous||reply 535||12/23/2017|
[R535] Jesus, old man. What decade are you stuck in. Why don't you read up on "queer theory" and get back to us before you embarrass yourself further.
|by Anonymous||reply 536||12/23/2017|
[quote]Why don't you read up on "queer theory"
|by Anonymous||reply 537||12/23/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 538||12/23/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 539||12/23/2017|
Can we settle this once and for all?
[quote]“queer” means different things to different people
|by Anonymous||reply 540||12/23/2017|
Even when I read the book way back, I never pictured any Hollywood actor in Oliver part. I really can't name a single actor I would cast in that part. It is a tough one because there is nothing to base your acting around besides the hyperbolic descriptions by Elio in the book.
|by Anonymous||reply 541||12/23/2017|
^^ Which is why Armie Hammer did an incredible job creating a character out of nothing
|by Anonymous||reply 542||12/23/2017|
Yep, genius casting.
|by Anonymous||reply 543||12/23/2017|
Just came back from seeing the movie (I'd recently read the book in anticipation)
1. Amazing movie, both Chalamet and Hammer do an incredible job, really enjoyed it, it deserves all the kudos it's been getting
2. Chalamet is much better looking than the stills let on. He is very handsome
3. There was a trade-off in having Oliver played by someone older. The Oliver in the book walked the line between being on the older end of the local kids and the youngest of the adults. Having 2017 Hammer play him put him more in the youngest of the adults camp. Having a younger actor (2010 Hammer) play him would have made him one of the older kids and it might have made the movie seem too much like a teen drama.
4. The 80s costuming was great-- haircuts and technology and all that.
5. In both the book and the movie, I was surprised that when Elio says "I know nothing about the things that matter" that Oliver immediately picks up that he's talking about the budding flirtation between the two of them. Oliver even says "are you saying what I think you're saying?" -- and I was thinking that were I in that situation (and I have been, sort of) that I would not have picked up on it.
6. Prof. Perlman's speech was beautiful. I took it at a much broader level--many times guys develop a "bromance" that could lead to something more but are afraid to take it there. Oliver and Elio were not.
7. I definitely agree that Oliver has done this before--the way he picked up on what Elio was going on about, the fact that the shoulder rub was purposeful, the fact that he kept hesitating because he didn't want to "ruin" Elio, the fact that he was worried Elio would be angry with him--all that seemed to be signaling that he'd had bromances that turned into sex before. (And of course that was why he got married so quickly afterwards--throw in AIDS scare too.)
8. I was not bothered by the lack of explicit sex scenes--they showed enough and you knew what was going on (e.g. Oliver was giving Elio a blow job) The book obviously went into more detail on the sex, there was a scene where Oliver asks Elio how his ass is feeling after getting fucked the first time and descriptions of where Oliver came. That would have been too prurient in the movie as it is and broken the dream like feel.
9. The drunk Oliver and Elio scene was wonderful and that's when it seemed like Oliver was an old looking 24 year old-- there was still that kids-who-don't-have-responsibilities feel to it.
10. Chalamet's acting the last scene staring at the fire with the credits rolling is Oscar worthy.
Thanks all for the conversations on here around the book/movie-- really enjoying them.
|by Anonymous||reply 544||12/23/2017|
^^also, as per my points 6 and 7, a lot of times those bromance-type crushes end badly (basing this on my own experiences and that of friends)-- either friendship-ending awkwardness or anger or something changes. There are a fuckload of NIFTY Archive theories on the theme of "I've never been into guys before but I fell in love with my straight college roommate, he became my best friend, and then one time we got drunk and had sex and holy crap, he feels the same way about me and now we can be boyfriends and get married!" that I'm assuming that it's a pretty common fantasy.
And that was essentially what was going on with Oliver and Elio and is one of the reasons why the story resonated with a gay audience.
|by Anonymous||reply 545||12/23/2017|
[quote]It is arguably not a gay film, but it is 100% a queer film.
Arguably ? The center piece of the film is a "sexual relationship" between two men. [bold]This is a gay film[/bold] for all intents and purposes.
|by Anonymous||reply 546||12/23/2017|
[quote]it is 100% a queer film.
Please eat the shit that comes out of the ass of every poster in this thread who is not you, r502.
|by Anonymous||reply 547||12/23/2017|
It broke my heart during the phone conversation with Oliver said "I remember everything…"
|by Anonymous||reply 548||12/23/2017|
That last "I remember everything..." wasn't actually in a phone call in the book was it? The only time I can recall Oliver saying that was at the very end of the book, 20 years after their summer together when he goes back to Italy for an overnight visit. So why put it in there, I wonder ?
|by Anonymous||reply 549||12/23/2017|
Because they wanted to end it in an impactful way without having to try to make Timmy look 40.
|by Anonymous||reply 550||12/23/2017|
What R550 said-- it was the most impactful line and underscored that (a) what Elio felt was real and (b) that Oliver's marriage was likely a sham or a reaction which sets us up for the sequel.
|by Anonymous||reply 551||12/23/2017|
If the movie reaches a broad enough audience it should transcend being a gay or a queer film.
I think a whole lot of guys have either been Elio or his father-- had a bromance that actually became sexual or had one that stopped just short of sexual. Either way, I suspect that a whole lot of guys who otherwise identify as straight (and are likely Kinsey 2s, 3s and 4s) will identify with the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 552||12/23/2017|
CMBYN has reached break-even. $3.6 mil in revenue as of 12/20.
|by Anonymous||reply 553||12/23/2017|
I saw the movie today as well. Just like when reading the novel I kept thinking about a lost love from my past. (Funnily enough he was a straight-ish roommate.) The movie is beautiful, and Chalamet is pretty much perfect. Hammer was totally fine as well. Personally for me the sexiest part was their first kiss. The only time I got a boner. I'd been wondering how I'll react and maybe I was expecting a more sensual experience.
It was a bit weird watching Chalamet since he really is quite teen-y. It was almost like watching a funny kid who knows how to act, meaning that I wasn't attracted to him but liked what he was doing. Hammer's hairy ass (at least I think it looked hairy) was so hot when they were lying in bed after their first lovemaking.
Just like with the novel I can't say I'm totally in love with the movie. It's a simple story, a beautiful one, sparse enough to let your mind start wondering. Still, there's something special about it. I'm not sure if it's special enough to warrant over 14 threads at DL but apparently for some it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 554||12/23/2017|
I don't know if I loved the film itself as much as I've enjoyed seeing how other people reacted to it. Reading MM fiction for me has only ever been a personal experience and I've never watched an LGBT film with anyone else. But given CMBYNs widespread popularity, everyone seems to be talking about it. Which made me more excited to see it than I originally was after I read the book. And similarly, reading people's thoughts, people becoming more open-minded, dissecting every fucking scene, I've found myself liking it more for the overall experience. I wasn't old enough to be a part of the Brokeback Mountain hype when it happened, so I'm revelling in this.
|by Anonymous||reply 555||12/23/2017|
[quote] Reading MM fiction for me has only ever been a personal experience and I've never watched an LGBT film with anyone else.
So are you a woman who reads those Luke and Dylan from 90210 become husbands love stories?
[quote] But given CMBYNs widespread popularity, everyone seems to be talking about it.
On DL perhaps, but not sure how much mainstream success it will have. I hope it does, but I suspect many straight guys will be made uncomfortable by the movie as they were there or, like Elio's dad, went right up to the line but didn't cross it.
|by Anonymous||reply 556||12/23/2017|
There's the classic coming-of-age sex with females (albeit stylized) to keep the straight guys interested. Crossover.
|by Anonymous||reply 557||12/23/2017|
I am a woman (sorry, I know we're not really welcome here), never watched 90210 though.
I'm a big reader, always have been. More or less accidentally read my first gay novel following a goodreads recommendation, haven't looked back since! I read CMBYN about 2 years ago and it definitely changed the way I viewed the genre. I had never read anything that explicit. Still, it fast became my favourite novel.
|by Anonymous||reply 558||12/23/2017|
Timmy's almost at 250k insta followers, he's blowing up
|by Anonymous||reply 559||12/23/2017|
wrong thread sorry
|by Anonymous||reply 560||12/23/2017|
That's interesting R558. What little frau-written slash fiction I've read is pretty pornographic, whereas CMBYN the book is fairly chaste. There are references to sex acts here and there, but none of the thrusting love swords into moist channels of the Slash genre.
|by Anonymous||reply 561||12/23/2017|
R561 I've read the thrusting love swords into moist channels (beautifully put btw) since but at the time, CMBYN seemed very naughty. More than the explicit nature of the sex scenes though, it was the raw emotion the novel portrayed that got to me, how explicit Elio was about wanting to wear Oliver's skin and become him etc. I think everything seemed a little dirtier because of the first person narrative and seeing the object of Elio's fantasies from Elio's perspective.
|by Anonymous||reply 562||12/23/2017|
Perhaps that's the difference between a well-written book, truly well-written, and fan fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 563||12/23/2017|
I'm sorry but Luca is the biggest tumblr fangirl of them all...'the four of them displayed a very strong intimacy and closeness'...
[quote] “To put our gaze upon their lovemaking would have been a sort of unkind intrusion,” the director said in Italian-accented English. “I think that their love is in all things, so when we gaze towards the window and we see the trees, there is a sense of witnessing that. I refuse with strong firmness that I was coy in not showing that, because I think that Oliver and Elio and Armie and Timothée, the four of them displayed a very strong intimacy and closeness in so many ways and it was enough.”
(I do agree with his sentiment though, after all that buildup it would've felt wrong to watch dong going in)
|by Anonymous||reply 564||12/24/2017|
Luca is a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||12/24/2017|
Dont be fucking rude without Luca we wouldn't have a movie
|by Anonymous||reply 566||12/24/2017|
There was no narrative reason to show the actual sex.
I've read/heard a few instances of heteros saying they felt that the sex seemed to come from out of nowhere, that they didn't pick up on the flirtation between Elio and Oliver, especially since Elio seemed to be into Marzia. Not sure if they were particularly clueless or if that will be a common reaction.
Also-- the movie makes Marzia and Chiara French, which is why Elio talks to them in French. Were they French in the book? I thought they were locals, hence their Italian names.
|by Anonymous||reply 567||12/24/2017|
They were Italian in the book, but Timmy's fluent in French so it made more sense for him to speak in a language that comes natural to him than learning Italian I suppose.
[quote] I've read/heard a few instances of heteros saying they felt that the sex seemed to come from out of nowhere
Really?? I forget people go into this movie having not read the book. With the book running through your mind, you're anticipating what's coming next before it happens, like a checklist. I reckon everyone should read the book first so they can fully appreciate the film for what it is. Suppose hets won't pick up on the flirtation because they're not expecting it. It's there and strong though, I hope those people go back and rewatch so they see it the second time.
|by Anonymous||reply 568||12/24/2017|
[quote]Luke and Dylan from 90210 become husbands
That would be quite a feat, R556.
|by Anonymous||reply 569||12/24/2017|
[quote]I've read the thrusting love swords into moist channels (beautifully put btw) since but at the time, [bold]CMBYN seemed very naughty[/bold].
Probably, r562, to someone who uses "naughty" in adult conversation.
|by Anonymous||reply 570||12/24/2017|
Yeah in book Elio is Italian, but Chalamet is an American who speaks French, so they made lots of changes for that.
|by Anonymous||reply 571||12/24/2017|
Thank you R568/R571
I also suspect that a good percentage of Americans will not pick up on the fact that Elio switches between French and Italian-- it's just "language that isn't English" to them.
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|by Anonymous||reply 573||12/24/2017|
[quote]Suppose hets won't pick up on the flirtation because they're not expecting it. It's there and strong though, I hope those people go back and rewatch so they see it the second time.
Who cares what the hets think? Luca threw them a bone-r with the girlfriend subplot, which was a yawner but something had to slow the pacing and serve to heighten anticipation for the real love story.
|by Anonymous||reply 574||12/24/2017|
[QUOTE]To put our gaze upon their lovemaking would have been a sort of unkind intrusion
It's an excuse I guess, but not a particularly good one.
|by Anonymous||reply 575||12/24/2017|
[quote]Andre threw them a bone-r with the girlfriend subplot
|by Anonymous||reply 576||12/24/2017|
Was just thinking about the similarities between the relationship between Elio and Oliver and the two guys in "Y Tu Mama, Tambien" -- both were about two seemingly hetero guys with an (initially) unacknowledged attraction that was masked by focusing on hetero sex. But while Elio and Olive embarked upon a passionate love affair, the two guys from YTMT woke up guilty and embarrassed and the sex effectively ended their friendship, a scenario that seems to be far more common.
|by Anonymous||reply 577||12/24/2017|
^^^Good point. Here, we get a joyful, guilt-free happy ending, a la Forster's rare and wonderful Maurice.
|by Anonymous||reply 578||12/24/2017|
[Quote]That would have been too prurient in the movie as it is and broken the dream like feel.
Or maybe they didn't want to include sex scenes because they were cowards, R544. They were afraid to lose out on an Oscar because the movie was "too gay". Only gay movies in name only can win Oscars, look no further than Moonlight, which barely had any gay scenes at all. Even the acceptance speech was void of the word gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 579||12/24/2017|
Nobody made this movie thinking they were going to win Oscars. Jesus. Neither Luca nor his films have been anywhere near any awards before. This thing cost nothing, and stars a nobody and the star of the Lone Ranger. The cynicism that comes along with thinking they shaped this thing to appeal to Oscar Voters is astonishing in its craven ignorance.
|by Anonymous||reply 580||12/24/2017|
There was no real sex period-- the hetero sex was on the level of Porkies and except for a brief flash of tit, they were fully clothed and there was nothing at all erotic about it, the way there was with Elio and Oliver's pairing.
Most movie sex is unnecessary and it's there to put butts in seats over the chance to see hot actors and actresses naked and simulating sex. It rarely moves the plot forward.
|by Anonymous||reply 581||12/24/2017|
R581 Yet the BOOK had more explicit gay sex scenes, imagine that! I could bet a million bucks that if this movie was about lesbians there would have been plenty of sex scenes, but because it's about two men they excluded all sex, absolutely pathetic.
|by Anonymous||reply 582||12/24/2017|
Every gay sex scene is still a political statement, got to force audiences to accept male/male intimacy.
We still live an era where Ian from "Shameless" most explicit sex scene was with a girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 583||12/24/2017|
R582 As did the original script.
Luca just wasn't willing to challenge the audience and include them.
|by Anonymous||reply 584||12/24/2017|
I am a cunt!
|by Anonymous||reply 585||12/24/2017|
Actually the book didn't really have explicit sex scenes R582 beyond Oliver eating the peach and saying he wanted them to merge and sharing Elio's semen with him.
Sex acts are referred to in past tense and somewhat clinically-- Oliver asks Elio if his butt hurts and Elio notes that every time it hurts he'll be reminded of what they did. He also notes that Oliver let him be the top the second time they had sex.
But there's no extended sex scene at all.
As for gay sex on TV, Queer As Folk was all over that and it was almost all gratuitous and prurient, basically softcore gay port, and who is turned on by it? Not gay men but legions of fat fraus, many of whom come on DL to swear that Gale Harold must be gay or bi because he was so "convincing" in the sex scenes that they finger bang themselves to.
|by Anonymous||reply 586||12/24/2017|
[QUOTE]Sex acts are referred to in past tense and somewhat clinically
You must have a remarkably casual doctor.
|by Anonymous||reply 587||12/24/2017|
I agree. The sex scenes were very short, in past tense and not that explicit. There's little mentions here and there, about Oliver coming inside Elio or over his chest. But I think the more explicit sexual moments in the book actually were Elio's fantasies about Oliver. I think what happens with the book is that since we are inside Elio's horny mind the entire time, there's a permanent estate of arousal: Elio's basically desperate to get fucked since the moment he sees Oliver for the first time, so I think it's more about the whole sexual atmosphere which, in the movie, since we're not as deep inside Elio's mind, goes from explicitly sexual to rather just sensual.
|by Anonymous||reply 588||12/24/2017|
[quote]I've read/heard a few instances of heteros saying they felt that the sex seemed to come from out of nowhere
[quote]Suppose hets won't pick up on the flirtation because they're not expecting it. It's there and strong though, I hope those people go back and rewatch so they see it the second time.
I saw the film yesterday and tbh I'm not surprised at all that some people find that the first kiss pretty much comes out of nowhere. We don't really know what Oliver is thinking before that. Nothing wrong with that, not everything has to be spoonfed to the audience. I personally would've liked to to see more of what Oliver was going through but since I've read the book I know the film pretty much follows it and leaves him as a mystery.
|by Anonymous||reply 589||12/24/2017|
By the standards of erotica the novel might have been innocent, but as a work of literary fiction it was unusually sexy.
|by Anonymous||reply 590||12/24/2017|
what r588 said. the book is all about sensuality, desire and erotic longing and tension, the sex itself, as described in the book is not explicit or arousing, no loving descriptions of bodies, or intimate acts of penetration and release.
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And to add to R588 and R591 -- it's interesting that the things Elio fixates on are not necessarily what a gay man would: no mention of Oliver's body hair (we don't even know if he had chest hair) -- treasure trail, peeks of pubes, nipples-- though he does check out Oliver's cock enough to mention he's (obviously) also circumicized.
|by Anonymous||reply 592||12/24/2017|
That's the point, too much detail spoils the tension and the secrecy/nebulosity that desire and eroticism depend on, and the novel treads that path in a very beautiful manner because it does feel extremely intimate and vivid being spare. This sort of subtle but relentless sensuality is very rare nowadays and perhaps that's why it's particularly effective for a few of us.
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It does feel extremely intimate and vivid despite* being spare ^
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Excuses... so many excuses. This is a sexless film, you guys are seriously brainwashed for defending this film. Luca didn't have the guts to include the sex acts from the book, just like Moonnlight and endless movies before it. Just like R583 said we live in a world where Ian on Shameless, a gay character, had his most explicit sex scene with a girl. Also, recently on A Place To Call Home, certified gay character Henry ends up sleeping with Anna, a woman. This happens more and more. It used to be that gay characeters were neutered, now they're turning gay characters hetero, which is even worse. We live in a world where producers don't even have the balls to include gay sex scenes in GAY MOVIES. Absolutely pathetic.
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Trying to remember...gay sex in Moonlight? I thought the lead character avoided sex.
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