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What profession is the ‘playwright’ of our time?

Who are the Bill Shakespeare & Kit Marlowe of Now, in terms of literary skill but also reach & fame/notoriety? What is today’s equivalent artform to a play in the round or a fawning sonnet for the Queen?

And, would an Elizabethan playwright today be a bigshot film writer/director? A Netflix screenwriter or producer? A rapper or pop songwriter who rubs shoulders with foreign royalty & international models?

by Anonymousreply 6301/10/2018

Philip Dawkins

by Anonymousreply 111/30/2017

eh hem

by Anonymousreply 211/30/2017

Ryan Murphy

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by Anonymousreply 411/30/2017

Public Relations

by Anonymousreply 511/30/2017

I personally believe we DLers are at the forefront of the vanguard.

(AND we will surely be up for a Pulitzer or something for our probe into Operation Lansbury.)

by Anonymousreply 611/30/2017

I don’t blame you all so much for not taking the question asked in all earnestness seriously, as I blame myself for not anticipating it. As you were, lads.

by Anonymousreply 711/30/2017

Jay-Z recently predicted Chris Martin of ‘Coldplay’ would be held up like a Shakespeare in centuries to come. Really.

Beyonce is more likely than either man to take the wreath from Will’s head. At least she popularised certain turns of phrase. ‘Bootylicious’, the trochaic ‘Becky-with-the-good-hair’, “I’m in my feelings” and “I slay” are all more memorable and in wider use than any Coldplay lyric or Jay-Z line.

by Anonymousreply 811/30/2017

If Shakespeare or Marlowe were alive today, they'd be churning out episodes of power-blood-and-revenge sagas on HBO.

by Anonymousreply 911/30/2017

So basically George R. R. Martin is the Shakespeare of the 21st Century, R9?

What about the poetry side, though? The Bard was a multi-talented artistic force as well as a famed courtier, even though he was looked down upon by some for his plays. He also directed his own works and acted from time to time. Is there anyone alive today who even comes close? I’m thinking the late Prince Rogers Nelson might fit, given that he had films out...

by Anonymousreply 1012/01/2017

I once heard Bill Cli n ton called the ‘Faustus’ of our time, not sure if I agree.

Who is the modern cognate of Chaucer? A hypeman, a forgerer, a travel writer & satirist to the rich, & amateur cardshark...

by Anonymousreply 1112/01/2017

In the 1990s, it was the moguls & bookers of American pro-wrestling.

Behind the curtain was almost as much drug use, excess, sleazy sex and power-games as you’d expect from politicians of now...all for our Entertainment dollar. Vince Russo has a little John Ford about him.

by Anonymousreply 1212/06/2017

quentin tarantino is the dialoqgue king since reservoir dogs. he just gets dialogue like willy the shake.

by Anonymousreply 1312/06/2017

Nah R2, he wants to be a Beat. His auteur films and stints at teaching speak to that.

Shakespeare was more a dramatic storyteller than a diarist, more of the common-people. Bill was less about philosophy & personal journeys and more about society & relationships within it.

by Anonymousreply 1412/06/2017

It was probably Rod Serling.

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by Anonymousreply 1612/06/2017

Kit Marlowe produced almost nothing.

Bill Shakespeare was consistently productive.

No-one in the last century has produced as much as what Shakespeare did. It's a different world now.

by Anonymousreply 1712/06/2017

Yes, quite right R17. Shakespeare’s catalogue is remarkable even by today’s standards. One wonders when he stopped to eat.

However, I was speaking of legacy & largesse more than proliferation. I am asking: which writers of today have the influence & popularity of Shakespeare? Whose work is entering mass consciousness in the same way?

How about Bowie? His lyrics are as memorable, and as well-beloved.

by Anonymousreply 1812/06/2017

[quote]I am asking: which writers of today have the influence & popularity of Shakespeare? Whose work is entering mass consciousness in the same way?

Michael Jackson, J.K. Rowling, Kanye West, Pixar.

by Anonymousreply 1912/06/2017

R19 those listed certainly do have the widespread appeal. But the talent...?

by Anonymousreply 2012/06/2017

To be fair to Marlowe, he was killed when he was 29, so, no, he didn't write very much. Shakespeare was not yet "Shakespeare" at that age; much of his early work is pretty ragged. He did work like a demon once he got going, though.

by Anonymousreply 2112/06/2017

Quality, not quantity, R21.

Don’t scholars now believe that Marlowe had a big hand in writing the Henry cycle?

by Anonymousreply 2212/07/2017

Tim Rice & Bernie Taupin are both world-renowned lyricists who have had their words in major stage productions. They have also worked with ‘stars’ and in film.

What sayeth the Datalounge?

by Anonymousreply 2312/07/2017

R22, the current Oxford edition totally buys into the idea that Shakespeare and Marlowe collaborated on the Henry VI plays. I’m not sure how much of that is based on language algorithms and how much is based (longstanding) speculation. One might have hoped for something better from that match-up.

by Anonymousreply 2412/07/2017

R24 indeed. Two heads aren’t always better than one, particularly if those two heads are genius rivals. The idea of Marlowe & Shakespeare collabing is a tempting one, but there’s definitely still a case to say that they couldn’t have compromised enough to produce a whole play in tandem (and that they didn’t have enough time to get to comfortable enough to work together before Marlowe’s death). Still, the echoes of Marlowe in Henry VI are undeniable. I’ve always noticed a big jump in quality in that cycle...

What do you think they would admire nowadays? I feel that Shakespeare would look to recent acclaimed tv series like ‘Empire’ or popular comic dramas such as Wes Anderson films. To my mind, Marlowe might prefer more fantastic & experimental works such as Pynchon novels or series like ‘American Gods’.

by Anonymousreply 2512/08/2017

Would either of them have groped their female leads, do we think?

Will had his mistress Anne, so I doubt he’d feel tempted. He also had a daughter I believe, which would turn him off. Kit preferred men and seemingly liked them older, so perhaps it’s a no on both counts.

by Anonymousreply 2612/16/2017

Stephen King. J. K. Rowling.

by Anonymousreply 2712/16/2017

It galls me to think of King that way.

by Anonymousreply 2812/16/2017

Kathryn Bigelow.

by Anonymousreply 2912/19/2017

Why does everyone keep saying Rowling? I just don’t see it.

by Anonymousreply 3012/21/2017

There is no answer. No compassion is possible.

Our society is post-modernising itself into stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 3112/21/2017

Intriguing, R31. Please elaborate at will.

How did those Elizabethan gentlemen poets & wordsmiths develop their eye for the human heart? Is it impossible for a 21st Century pen to grow toward the same?

by Anonymousreply 3212/21/2017

^Oops, did I say 'compassion'?, I meant 'comparison'.

Shakespeare’s talent lies more in the mass of his discursive, Handel-like, elaborative clever poetry than in his actual 2-hour or 4-hour long plays.

A contemporary Shakespeare might be writing in a different media today (because poetry, more or less, died during the 20th century). But our ever-shortening attention spans won’t allow us to listen to anything longer than 5 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 3312/22/2017

R18, rap, unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 3412/22/2017

So for our purposes Jay-Z’s ‘Story of OJ’ is basically cognate with ‘Timon of Athens’?

by Anonymousreply 3512/24/2017

Who is the Shakespeare of modern times? Maybe the Beatles, but definitely a musical artist with international acclaim, intergenerational appeal, and a catalogue that so far stands the test of time.

by Anonymousreply 3612/24/2017

R26 - there were no female actors to grope in Bill's time.

R33 - I think your wrong about poetry dying during the 20th century. Digital platforms have opened a door for poetry. Also about five minute attention spans - sonnet 14 lines long, ten syllables per line.

R17 - Joyce Carol Oates comes to mind. So does Arthur Miller. So does Eugene O'Neill.

R34 - what's the problem with rap? It seems many people doing rap are taken seriously by scholars. Like it or not Eminem comes to mind.

by Anonymousreply 3712/24/2017

R37 'I think your[sic] wrong about poetry'.

35% of Datalounge might remember a poem they read in school.

2% would remember a poem they read after leaving school.

Prove me incorrect by starting a thread here challenging the Dataloungers to recite a poem written in last 5 years.

by Anonymousreply 3812/24/2017

R38 poetry then is the equivalent of song lyrics today. Check this linked thread and you’ll see poetry alive & well....

by Anonymousreply 3912/24/2017

^ Those lyrics are one line long.

Shakespeare's Macbeth is 2 hours, Hamlet is 5!

by Anonymousreply 4012/24/2017

Maybe tv writers like Michael Hirst, formerly documentarians but now doing longform epics for Netflix like VIKINGS.

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by Anonymousreply 4312/26/2017

OP, Bowie bears no comparison to the Bard

by Anonymousreply 4412/26/2017

Both Brits, both poets, both cause celebres..

by Anonymousreply 4512/26/2017

Both Brits, both dead, one relies on international capitalism to spread their product across the planet

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by Anonymousreply 4712/30/2017

In that case r14 you'd have to look to the rappers who told stories about poverty, cops, corruption and the streets. Rap is poetry whether you like it or not.

by Anonymousreply 4812/30/2017

I remember these r38

The woods are lovely dark and deep. And I have promises to keep. And miles to go before I sleep.

Good fences make good neighbors.

My name is Ozymandias, king of kings. Look on my works ye mighty and despair.

One if by land, two if by sea. And I on the opposite shore will be, ready to ride and give the alarm. For the village folk to be up and to arm.

As an elder gay in school we were required to memorize poetry in English class.

by Anonymousreply 4912/30/2017

[quote]You live, you die And spend the years in between asking the question Why you've been through what you been You lose, you win, you even pay for other sins But you must always adore the skin you are in

I woke up and it was pouring down rain

I put my head on, it really wasn't no thing

One of them days I was feeling immune to the pain

Threw on, Alice Coltrane, smoked and sang

And wrote this flame composed to the rhythm of the droplets

And went whispering similar to gossip

The kick slapping at the window glass

Slow down the globe so it don't spin too fast

Because, I've been running like a river since

The age of my early innocence

It just made me ambitious

My grams used to tell me "Man listen

If you can't burn, don't step into the kitchen"

You muscle your turn, the laws of the land vicious

We gotta stick to the plan, which is

Pursuing true riches, whether we trade stock or wash dishes

Throughout setbacks and few glitches

The Big Picture's the focus, fuck being hopeless

Or helpless, we not selfish so we wrote this

Give it to ya, make you feel good

Know what I'm talkin about? C'mon

by Anonymousreply 5012/30/2017

Who is the HOTTIE in OP's gif?

by Anonymousreply 5112/30/2017

^ The late Michael Gothard

by Anonymousreply 5212/30/2017

You rang R51?

by Anonymousreply 5312/30/2017

Well, I don’t like to brag, OP, but.

by Anonymousreply 5401/08/2018

R18, OP; I think this thread has come to its conclusion concluding that there is no one as potent as Shakespeare in our time.

by Anonymousreply 5501/09/2018

Hey, unappreciative gay dudes. This gal isn't going away anytime soon, hee!

In addition to my digital newsletter, THE LENNY LETTER (half a million subscribers, bitches!), my career in publishing is exploding.

And I still have a sweetheart of a development deal with HBO, a rocker boyfriend, and Judd Apatow in my pocket.

by Anonymousreply 5601/09/2018

pear-shaped figure and a dirty disfigurement on their arm

by Anonymousreply 5701/09/2018

[quote]Jay-Z recently predicted Chris Martin of ‘Coldplay’ would be held up like a Shakespeare in centuries to come. Really.

Yes, the lyrics just roll off the tongue like a soliloquy from Hamlet. To wit:

'But now, all I can think about is you All I can think about is you If all that I'm on earth to do Is solo Then what a lone poor shoe I wanna walk in a two"

by Anonymousreply 5801/09/2018

what the fuck is the question?? what (profession) if the playwright of our time?? um, a playwright???


sam shepard

david mamet.

by Anonymousreply 5901/09/2018

Shakespeare is a one off. No one who has followed him, or came before him for that matter, has come anywhere close to his genius. It's the reason so many people refuse to believe the man known as William Shakespeare from Stratford could have written those plays and sonnets.

by Anonymousreply 6001/09/2018

Sam Shepard is dead, and Mamet is not even remotely relevant in this era, so I'd hardly call either of them "of our time." Regardless, neither one of them creates beautiful, poetic language for the stage, which would seem to be a primary requirement.

I've always found Shepard daffy, tedious, and overrated. Mamet had his day, but at some point, even the hammiest actors will get bored doing revivals of GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS. At which point nothing of his is really worth reviving.

by Anonymousreply 6101/09/2018

My old College lecturer for Drama in college was adamant that Dennis Potter should be considered this way, and that the plebeians underappreciate his works.

by Anonymousreply 6201/10/2018

Potter is almost forgotten 15 years after his passing. He stuff will be revived in the next 20 years.

But Shakespeare's stuff continues to be revived.

by Anonymousreply 6301/10/2018
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