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How many of you BAREBACK? part 2

Continued from linked thread.

ALL of the younger and older guys who don't use condoms and believe that PREP will protect them from HIV and other nasty STIs are in for a big surprise when they become HIV+ or get Hep C, or maybe they know this will happen since they bareback (have unprotected anal sex), so they get started on the meds early?

The Truvada troll is lying, it's literally impossible to get a STD including chlamydia from mutual j/o.

by Anonymousreply 151Yesterday at 4:16 AM

Nobody on PrEP thinks it will protect them from STIs. Only people who want to criticize people on PrEP say that's what people on PrEP think but they have no idea what people on PrEP think because there is no such thing as mind reading.

by Anonymousreply 111/11/2017

Oh really R1? Pretty much ALL of my younger gay friends who are on PrEP, and who don't use condoms have the mentality that PrEP will always protect them against HIV and other STIs. When I tell them how they should use condoms, and not have raw sex with every guy they meet who wants to, they just tell me how PrEP makes using condoms pointless and that HIV and other STIs will not happen to them.

Even in the first thread you had people on PrEP who posted about how they believe that it will protect them against other STIs, or some believe that if a top/bottom is on PrEP and they do it raw with him that there's no way they can get HIV or other STIs.

by Anonymousreply 211/11/2017

God, no. There's herpes and who knows WHAT all else to worry about.

by Anonymousreply 311/11/2017

Condoms are so 20th century

by Anonymousreply 411/11/2017

My understanding is that you have to have a follow up appointment a couple of weeks after starting PREP so the Doc can make sure that it’s working—prior to having unprotected sex. A guy I went in a date with told me he was having several encounters a day , bottoming, and not using condoms. He had just started PREP and had no idea about checking to make sure it was protecting his system prior to bareback encounters.

by Anonymousreply 511/11/2017

These are what are called anecdotes. Anecdotes are not data.

"Pretty much ALL of my younger gay friends who are on PrEP, and who don't use condoms have the mentality that PrEP will always protect them against HIV and other STIs."

They have that mentality, do they? Do they all come to you and tell you "my PrEP protects me from STIs other than HIV?" Do they do that? What do you say to them?

by Anonymousreply 611/11/2017

R6 I tell them they should not be that naive and that they even if they take the medication, they should still be using condoms and practicing safer sex, as the medication is not going to protect them from other STIs.

by Anonymousreply 711/11/2017

So what you're saying is, they actually verbalize to you that their Truvada will protect them from STIs?

by Anonymousreply 811/12/2017

R8 well yes, I mean we're friends so we talk about everything including sex, and how we have it, what we do, etc.

by Anonymousreply 911/12/2017

To answer the OP: every single one.

by Anonymousreply 1011/15/2017

People do seem to believe that PREP will protect them from everything.

But consider this, the attitude in the 1970s was anything caught could be cured with penicillin or a shot of something. They had no idea this lethal STD was slowly building and about to hit the gay community like a forest fire. If these men had been wearing condoms to protect against STIs how many of them would not have caught AIDS?

My point is, there is no promises that another currently unknown sexually transmitted disease could be out there now that leads to certain death and has no effective treatment. When you think of unprotected sex compare yourselves to gay men prior to the start of the AIDS epidemic and ask yourself what these men would have given for the knowledge they were unknowingly being infected with something that would kill them.

by Anonymousreply 1111/15/2017

That's very true R10 and R11. We are already seeing a huge increase in STIs that are drug/antibiotic resistant, and that were previously not as common the past few decades.

by Anonymousreply 1211/16/2017

"People do seem to believe that PREP will protect them from everything."

I would just love it if we could see the difference between people "seeming to believe" something and people stating that they believe something. And to ask our friends who seem to believe something if that is, in fact what they believe. And to gently tell them that we have a different understanding of the things we think they're getting wrong. Because to come off as judgy as some people do on this topic is a sure way to prevent them from talking honestly in the future.

by Anonymousreply 1311/16/2017

R13 it's not being judgmental to tell people that they should use condoms along with PrEP, and that the medication will not protect them against all STIs.

by Anonymousreply 1411/17/2017

Those are two separate things. People should be reminded about using condoms along with PrEP. People who do it gently are actually helpful. People who do it in a judgmental manner help nobody.

by Anonymousreply 1511/18/2017

R15 even if you tell someone nicely or remind them to use condoms with PrEP they'll tell you that you're being "judgemental", "sex negative", a "prude", "don't have or like sex", that you're being "offensive", etc.

by Anonymousreply 1611/18/2017

People have been barebacking long before PrEP came along. The condom-all-the-time message failed miserably.

PrEP at least will prevent HIV transmission. It's far better than nothing and people were using nothing before.

Period

by Anonymousreply 1711/18/2017

Please--the ENTIRE point of PrEP is to have sex without condoms.

If you use condoms, there's no point in taking PrEP. The recommendation that people use PrEP with condoms is ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 1811/18/2017

[quote]The condom-all-the-time message failed miserably.

I can't agree with that. Repetition of a truth changes behaviour. Not all behaviour, but better some than none. It's like smoking.

by Anonymousreply 1911/18/2017

R17 it only failed with people who were into having unsafe sex and who don't care if they get HIV or other STIs or they infect others with HIV and other STIs. Everyone else uses them, and those of us who were around in the 80s and 90s seeing lots of bisexual and gay men die from HIV/AIDS and even Hep C, knows that it's not worth it to go bareback/raw/unprotected.

Now if two people are in a completely monogamous relationship and nobody's cheating, that's different.

There have been people who were on PREP and they wound up becoming HIV+.

by Anonymousreply 2011/18/2017

[quote]There have been people who were on PREP and they wound up becoming HIV+.

Of the hundreds of thousands of men on PrEP, three (3) have seroconverted. One had undetermined use of the drug; and one claimed he was infected as the top, which is statistically a long-shot. Other drugs could only hope to be so successful.

Meanwhile, condoms have a failure rate on the order of magnitudes higher, require perfect use every time, and were simply the first resort of a community in shock. There is no shame in realizing that HIV prevention will evolve and change until we find a cure (which I don't find likely). Fun fact: condoms have never been FDA approved for male-to-male contact.

Further, the men who are on PrEP are required to see their doctor every three months and are getting tested regularly as a result. We have finally found a way to get gay men to get tested regularly so that they seek and can begin treatment sooner for a wide variety of STIs not limited to HIV. This accounts for some of the CDC's reported spike in STIs, as well.

PrEP is a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 2111/18/2017

[quote]We have finally found a way to get gay men to get tested regularly so that they seek and can begin treatment sooner for a wide variety of STIs not limited to HIV.

That seems dangerously complacent to me. Everyone knows prevention is the best approach to disease.

by Anonymousreply 2211/19/2017

I never bareback. I'm 100% top and all of my sex happens in bathhouses or with a couple of fuck buddies. Prep started affecting my baths experience about a year ago. There were bottoms looking for it bareback before Prep came along, but the percentage has gone up from about 5% to about a third. I have so much experience with this now that I've even gotten pretty good at "profiling" guys to predict who's going to want it raw.

My most recent visit to the baths included an experience that allows me to join a term I haven't heard yet: condom shaming. A bottom who has chatted me up at least a half dozen times in the past year tried with me again. I guess it took him a while to remember that I don't bareback, but he mentioned this eventually. He then continued to ask me why I don't just get on Prep like everyone else, with a tone that implied that I'm a big loser. I could gave given him a much longer answer, but all I said was "Prep doesn't prevent everything." He responded, "Yeah, I guess it doesn't" and walked away, just as he did every other time.

This raises a point for me that I just don't get. Unless you're allergic to condoms, why would anyone turn down a fuck with someone they find attractive (especially in an environment like a bathhouse)? I'll accept that the raw experience is a big deal for these guys, but why does it override everything else to the point of being a deal breaker in a no strings attached situation?

by Anonymousreply 2311/19/2017

I agree, R23, it makes no sense. I hooked up a couple of times with this guy who was my neighbor when I lived in Hell's Kitchen, and though the first two times were great, our fun new friendship came to an end because I refused to fuck him raw. The sex was perfectly hot with condoms but he wanted us to ditch them and I refused, so that was that. We stopped seeing each other, a few months went by, he reached out to me again, but again our relationship hit a wall because I would not do it bareback. And what made it so ridiculous is that, in every other respect, we had really great chemistry and could have had a really great fuck buddy/friends with benefits type of relationship had he not insisted on that one component.

by Anonymousreply 2411/19/2017

As a bottom who only gets fucked with condoms, I've encountered the opposite problem-- so many tops have now gone bareback because bottoms have gone on PrEP.

I actually find it hard to find tops who will use condoms

by Anonymousreply 2511/19/2017

R23 that's because a lot of bottoms crave cock and cum up their ass and will do or say anything to get fucked raw. I've never been to a bath house as that scene and hook ups aren't really my thing. The few one night stands/hook ups I've had happened with people who I met in person in bars.

For myself as a top I am not into ever doing it raw/bare/unprotected. I don't get with men or women (I'm bisexual) who are into doing this. I'm HIV neg, do not have any STIs and want to stay that way. I am way more into oral sex, so I don't think it would even be worth it to go on or use PrEP, and the side effects of the medication both short and longterm are apparently not fun from what I have read.

by Anonymousreply 2611/19/2017

The self-righteous, prisspotty cunts on these threads just make me absolutely nauseated. If you don't like PrEP, don't use it. Just shut your fucking mouths and keep your nasty judgmental cuntfaced opinions to yourselves.

by Anonymousreply 2711/19/2017

[quote]the side effects of the medication both short and longterm are apparently not fun from what I have read

And what would those be?

[quote]Everyone knows prevention is the best approach to disease.

And what, exactly, is PrEP, if not prevention?

by Anonymousreply 2811/19/2017

[quote]Of the hundreds of thousands of men on PrEP, three (3) have seroconverted.

That's not exactly true. Of the hundreds of thousands of men [italic]who adhere to a strict regimen of taking their meds,[/italic] only three have seroconverted, so far.

by Anonymousreply 2911/19/2017

I take PrEP and have zero side effects. I don't know anyone who takes it who has side effects.

by Anonymousreply 3011/19/2017

And one of those three, R29, didn't adhere to the regimen, which is what contributed to his seroconversion.

This is what makes the argument so silly. If I said to you, here, take this pill, but five out of 100,000 will die from it, would you still take the pill? Now, what if that pill wasn't an HIV-prevention pill, but a boner-inducing pill? That's exactly the scenario with Viagra, and millions upon millions of men pop Viagra like candy despite the known risk, while we prattle on endlessly about the side effects and problems with PrEP.

Having worked in HIV prevention, I wholeheartedly support the FDA requirement that PrEP users get tested (for a panel of STIs) every three months in order to stay on the regimen. One of the greatest hurdles we face is getting gay men to consistently test, and it's one of the best ways to reduce transmission, and not just limited to HIV. Now, I worry about the PrEP shot that would only require a once-a-year visit to the doctor for testing and prescription renewal.

I guess you could say that one of the beneficial side effects of PrEP is that testing is more commonplace and preventing the spread of other diseases and complications, as well.

by Anonymousreply 3111/19/2017

Sorry, the idea of a stranger coming in me makes me nauseous. Call me crazy...!

by Anonymousreply 3211/19/2017

[quote Of the hundreds of thousands of men who adhere to a strict regimen of taking their meds, only three have seroconverted, so far]

I bet they're disappointed.

R27 seems like a really nice person.

by Anonymousreply 3311/19/2017

Barebacking is the best!!!

by Anonymousreply 3411/19/2017

Forget about HIV for a moment. Aren't any of you BB PrEP whores concerned about getting other STIs, and spreading potentially drug-resistant STIs throughout the community? Sometimes I think we really are our own worst enemy.

by Anonymousreply 3511/19/2017

[quote]And what would those be?

Here they are R28, it's really bad for your liver.

by Anonymousreply 3611/19/2017

Exactly R35, all the dudes on PREP are just begging to get Hep C, which is happening.

by Anonymousreply 3711/19/2017

r17 - is absolutely right, [quote]People have been barebacking long before PrEP came along. The condom-all-the-time message failed miserably. PrEP at least will prevent HIV transmission. It's far better than nothing and people were using nothing before. Period

I concur it's another tool in the fight against HIV infections, so why is that so hard for you anti PreP to wrap that around your heads?

r20 [quote]There have been people who were on PREP and they wound up becoming HIV+.

Please stop with the scare tactics, after many, many years and 10's of thousands of people on PreP, thus far there have been only three confirmed cases of a PreP user seroconverting. That's pretty good odds. Don't believe me, google it.

by Anonymousreply 3811/19/2017

Why the fuck would you want to bareback anyway? You're still shoving your cock into somebody's ass, which as I understand it has yet to be the inspiration for any saleable fragrance.

by Anonymousreply 3911/19/2017

Receptive anal sex, with or without a condom, great increases your risk for rectal cancer. Why chance that and a host of other illnesses that come with anal penetration? I stick with oral and kissing. I suggest many of you bottoms do the same.

by Anonymousreply 4011/19/2017

3 seroconversions out of 10's of thousands PreP users. These odds are better than condom use

by Anonymousreply 4111/19/2017

And that's why they see their doctors every three months, R36, and are screened for liver function as well as STIs. At least if you're on PrEP and begin to show changes in liver numbers, you have the option to stop taking the drug. If you're positive, you can't stop (although there are other HIV drugs that aren't as hard on the liver). Assuming this is what you meant by long term side effects, what are the short term effects that are "not fun from what" you "have read?"

[quote]dudes on PREP are just begging to get Hep C, which is happening.

Again, TESTING, R37! If we find guys carrying the Hep-C virus and get them informed and treated, we can mitigate the spread of and eventually eliminate this virus as well. The problem with Hep-C is that there are no outward symptoms for decades after infection, and the virus is replicating in huge numbers, making spread even more likely. PrEP is a rather backdoor (sorry for the pun) method of testing for liver function, as this is how Hep-C presents most often.

R40, did it ever occur to you that straight women face increased for cervical cancer for a reason? Moreover, manipulating any part of the human body leads to increased risk for cancer. Do you advise that we all somehow hang ourselves in perfect suspended animation? And, you do know that you can get a wide variety of STIs via oral contact, right?

Sorry, I don't mean to be condescending. I knew there was a reason I stayed out of the first thread in this series; everything from the lack of basic knowledge through sex hysteria always gets me. It's like we can't be moderate, well-adjusted, informed [italic]and[/italic] sexually healthy beings.

by Anonymousreply 4211/19/2017

What happens when all you condomless Prep sluts get one non-life-threatening STD after another, progressively weakening your immune system to allow another AIDS-type virus to enter the arena? That's what happened in the '70s, and I feel the same thing is happening now. Five/ten years from now, heaven knows what type of super-AIDS we'll all be dealing with. And we'll have exactly no one to blame but ourselves. Have we learned nothing from history?

by Anonymousreply 4311/19/2017

[quote] It's like we can't be moderate, well-adjusted, informed and sexually healthy beings.

Define moderate, Obi Wan.

by Anonymousreply 4411/19/2017

[quote] Five/ten years from now

As opposed to now? Do you think that barebacking was invented when Truvada was approved for prophylactic use, and nobody would have developed drug resistance to it before (it was one of the most common anti-retrovirals in use, which is part of how Gilead got it approved comparatively quickly given its widespread use). A leading HIV doctor told me that if there was a so-called "super bug" coming, it would be here. Your supposition that the cause of the appearance of HIV was due to "one non-life-threatening STD after another" is not only incorrect, it reeks of sex hysteria.

If what you mean to say was the HIV spread quickly (which itself is not technically correct; there are documented cases of HIV infection dating back decades prior to it reaching peak infection), then I agree; the same doctor suggested that if gay men would halve the number of partners they have over their lifetimes (one form of moderation, R44, but I was thinking about another, specifically making rational decisions based on fact, when I wrote that), we could end the epidemic today. But that's not reality, and we're better off reacting to and living in the real world.

by Anonymousreply 4511/19/2017

You love to keep mentioning how PrEP users are getting tested every three months. All that does is ensure that for the previous three months, you did not spread disease. If you go out and bareback the next evening and contract as STI, then you will be spreading it for the next three months until you get tested again.

by Anonymousreply 4611/19/2017

And that's worse than not getting tested and spreading it for years? My point is that one of the best side effects (if you can call it that) is that sexually active gay men are getting tested regularly and more often.

by Anonymousreply 4711/19/2017

Is there more barebacking or less since PrEP?

by Anonymousreply 4811/19/2017

I assume so, R48. When I googled your exact question, though, the second result was anecdotally opposite.

But let me cut the chase: call me names for thinking it's better for more men to engage in risky behavior in exchange for regular and more men getting tested and treated for whatever crops up.

by Anonymousreply 4911/19/2017

Why are people perpetuating this myth that all the guys on prep are getting it prescribed by a doctor and having regular health checks?

Not all gay guys want to come out to their doctor. They don't want their sexuality on their medical record for employers to access. Many young guys don't have health insurance or find it easier to bypass doctors and get Prep online and just take it either side of the weekend.

The whole prep situation is just another big disease with a little name waiting to happen.

by Anonymousreply 5011/19/2017

'Moreover, manipulating any part of the human body leads to increased risk for cancer.'

This is true and it's the reason why the guys on this thread who pride themselves on taking a pounding every weekend will end up with anal cancer further down the line.

by Anonymousreply 5111/19/2017

'Moreover, manipulating any part of the human body leads to increased risk for cancer.'

How come we don't get cancer of the fingertips from all the typing we do these days?

by Anonymousreply 5211/19/2017

R48, there's A LOT more barebacking. People are acting like it's the 1970s, and do not give a fuck if they fuck or get fucked raw. I also know men who are not on PREP but who do it raw/bare since they believe a top or bottom when he says he's on PREP, or HIV poz but undetectable.

by Anonymousreply 5311/19/2017

There's a lot of really dumb young gay guys who think you take Prep like the morning after pill, post exposure, just the once. They buy Prep from their dealers when they buy their weed.

If you're fucking these guys, use a condom ffs. It's this mentality that brought about so many deaths from AIDS and Hep C.

by Anonymousreply 5411/19/2017

It's all well and good for the Prep guys. But what about the poz guys who lie to the dumb bottom about being on Prep and convince the poor cum-craving slut that going raw with them is safe? That's a recipe for disaster.

by Anonymousreply 5511/19/2017

enjoy herpes...

by Anonymousreply 5611/19/2017

There's a lot of really dumb young gay guys who are on Prep. They buy Prep from their dealers when they buy their weed. If you're fucking these guys, use a condom ffs. It's this mentality that brought about so many deaths from AIDS and Hep C.

Fixed that for you R54.

by Anonymousreply 5711/20/2017

Enjoy your super-AIDS and antibiotic-resistent STDs, but please don't expect any compassion from anyone. Your digging your own graves by BB-ing.

by Anonymousreply 5811/20/2017

All this hemming and hawing about super-AIDS and watch the next deadly disease come from kissing or oral sex. ALL of us will fucked then

by Anonymousreply 5911/20/2017

R59 that already happens with certain types of Hepatitis, but it's difficult to get HEP C that way.

by Anonymousreply 6011/27/2017

I took 4 raw loads in my ass over the long weekend. I would've done more, but I was battling a nasty cold LMAO. I'm not on PrEP, but of the 4 guys I hooked up with, 2 told me they're on the PrEP, and the other 2 said they're not on PrEP but clean and 100% DD free. On the remote chance they're lying or not sure of their status, they looked healthy, so if they were poz, they were likely undetectable and unable pass the virus along to me. All good! Although I'm a bit sore...and I still have that cold LMAO.

by Anonymousreply 6111/27/2017

"Not all behaviour, but better some than none."

Which does nothing to stop an epidemic.

by Anonymousreply 6211/28/2017

R61 you sound crazy and like you have a death wish. I hope you can afford HIV meds.

by Anonymousreply 6311/28/2017

Europe's HIV epidemic growing at alarming rate, WHO warns.

The number of people newly diagnosed with HIV in Europe reached its highest level in 2016 since records began, showing the region's epidemic growing "at an alarming pace", health officials said on Tuesday. That year, 160,000 people contracted the virus that causes AIDS in the 53 countries that make up the World Health Organization's European region. Around 80 percent of those were in eastern Europe.

The trend was particularly worrying because many patients had already been carrying the HIV infection for several years by the time they were diagnosed, making the virus harder to control and more likely to have been passed on to others.

by Anonymousreply 6411/28/2017

Don't forget all the people on PREP who do it raw who are getting Hep C R64.

by Anonymousreply 6511/28/2017

So many doomsday Mary's on this thread. Enjoy life and enjoy sex as nature intended: raw and unencumbered by unnatural latex. Just make sure your partners are on PrEP and/or poz/undetectable, and you'll be just fine.

by Anonymousreply 6611/28/2017

One thing I like about condoms is they seem to help some tops last longer...

I think sex feels good in all forms. The idea that adjusting a practice renders it worthless is really somewhat babyish.

by Anonymousreply 6711/28/2017

I never had condomless sex until once last month. He was poz but undetectable. I figured I'd give it a try. He didn't come in me.

It was nice but not so earth shattering that I need to have unprotected sex.

Sure, it seems stupid now, but Undetectable = Untransmittable and I was on meth

by Anonymousreply 6811/28/2017

"Yes, I could have worn a condom, but I believe in harm reduction, and the notion of wearing a condom is almost as oppressing as abstinence. I always have open communication with my lovers, and if folks want to wear a condom, I respect that. Aside from open communication, I'd been taking other precautionary measures that made me think I didn't need to. I'd been using Truvada (tenofovir/FTC) ... I was unemployed and didn't have health insurance, so my supply came from friends who had prescriptions and, on several occasions, from a former partner who was in the "bottle business," selling HIV meds on the black market.

Acting on word-of-mouth information about how long PrEP stays in the body, I'd continued having unprotected sex for about two weeks after my last bottle of Truvada ran out."

So much for the "people on PrEP see a doctor every three months" mantra.

by Anonymousreply 6911/28/2017

Looks like he would bareback whether of not he was on PrEP

by Anonymousreply 7011/28/2017

People don't use condoms because sex doesn't feel as good when wearing them. When science comes up with a condom that doesn't decrease sensitivity, everyone will use them.

by Anonymousreply 7111/28/2017

Condoms are for losers. Big time losers!

by Anonymousreply 7211/28/2017

'Although I'm a bit sore...and I still have that cold LMAO'

R61. the 'cold' is you sero-converting.

Poz guys always look healthy these days - people aren't staggering around trailing IV lines and weighing 100 pounds in 2017. You will pick up the virus soon enough with this dumb, reckless attitude.

by Anonymousreply 7311/28/2017

'People don't use condoms because sex doesn't feel as good when wearing them. When science comes up with a condom that doesn't decrease sensitivity, everyone will use them. '

I feel sorry for people like R71, born with a numb dick. If you can't feel any sensation through a condom, there 's something wrong with your nerve endings.

by Anonymousreply 7411/28/2017

Wrong, r73. I had the cold beforehand and it's just lingering. I am not seroconverting. Although I did have a "loaded" Veterans Day long weekend a few weeks earlier, but I got the cold a week later, which would be too soon to actually be symptomatic for seroconversion.

by Anonymousreply 7511/28/2017

[quote] A guy I went in a date with told me he was having several encounters a day , bottoming, and not using condoms

R5, usually this is called "pulling a train," not "a date."

by Anonymousreply 7611/28/2017

R69, your argument is false because the writer says he didn't have health insurance and was getting his Truvada from the black market. Nobody expects the black market has doctors to monitor one's black market Truvada usage.

by Anonymousreply 7711/28/2017

The following is an example of how Poo Shoes, aka Davida Rochelle, stirs up shit on this forum. Xe is posting both for and against bareback sex in this thread. Xe's either talking about how gays deserve to get AIDS and die from barebacking, or xe's pretending to be a gay male, telling stories about how xe took multiple loads recently.

The following are all from the same User ID in this thread. Be certain that xe will delete her cookies soon to remove this evidence. IMO this person is a scourge that needs to be removed from this website.

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 Forget about HIV for a moment. Aren't any of you BB PrEP whores concerned about getting other STIs, and spreading potentially drug-resistant STIs throughout the community? Sometimes I think we really are our own worst enemy.

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 Receptive anal sex, with or without a condom, great increases your risk for rectal cancer. Why chance that and a host of other illnesses that come with anal penetration? I stick with oral and kissing. I suggest many of you bottoms do the same.

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 What happens when all you condomless Prep sluts get one non-life-threatening STD after another, progressively weakening your immune system to allow another AIDS-type virus to enter the arena? That's what happened in the '70s, and I feel the same thing is happening now. Five/ten years from now, heaven knows what type of super-AIDS we'll all be dealing with. And we'll have exactly no one to blame but ourselves. Have we learned nothing from history?

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 It's all well and good for the Prep guys. But what about the poz guys who lie to the dumb bottom about being on Prep and convince the poor cum-craving slut that going raw with them is safe? That's a recipe for disaster.

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 Enjoy your super-AIDS and antibiotic-resistent STDs, but please don't expect any compassion from anyone. Your digging your own graves by BB-ing.

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 I took 4 raw loads in my ass over the long weekend. I would've done more, but I was battling a nasty cold LMAO. I'm not on PrEP, but of the 4 guys I hooked up with, 2 told me they're on the PrEP, and the other 2 said they're not on PrEP but clean and 100% DD free. On the remote chance they're lying or not sure of their status, they looked healthy, so if they were poz, they were likely undetectable and unable pass the virus along to me. All good! Although I'm a bit sore...and I still have that cold LMAO.

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 So many doomsday Mary's on this thread. Enjoy life and enjoy sex as nature intended: raw and unencumbered by unnatural latex. Just make sure your partners are on PrEP and/or poz/undetectable, and you'll be just fine.

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 Condoms are for losers. Big time losers!

[quote]How many of you BAREBACK? part 2 Wrong, r73. I had the cold beforehand and it's just lingering. I am not seroconverting. Although I did have a "loaded" Veterans Day long weekend a few weeks earlier, but I got the cold a week later, which would be too soon to actually be symptomatic for seroconversion.

by Anonymousreply 7811/28/2017

To be clear, the stinking poo is D@v1d@ R0ch3l1e K@nt3r of Las Vegas, Nevada.

by Anonymousreply 7911/28/2017

True to form, xe has exited the thread. All posts ceased when xe was called out for xer trolling behavior.

by Anonymousreply 8011/28/2017

r69 - I read that article and that guy is an idiot.

Why wasn't he already on Obamacare, it would have covered his PreP prescription (it covers mine)? He then writes that he went to the LA Gay & Lesbian Center and found that the insurance process took too long. What? Couldn't he wait until his insurance application went through, he had to have unprotected sex right then and now? Also, The Center does have PreP programs for the uninsured, so I don't know the validity of his claims. The author, who supposedly went to Berkley, sure was stupid when it came to taking care of his own body. This article has nothing to do with PreP but is an example of reckless behavior on the part of an individual.

I'm not slut shaming but common sense would have prevented this young man from seroconverting.

for those who didn't read it up thread, here's a link to the article

by Anonymousreply 8111/28/2017

Most of the guys I know get Prep online and it costs about $100 for 100 pills. They take it either side of the weekend and hope for the best. No-one is going to their doctor, coming out and getting homosexuality on their medical record for future employees to see.

SPAZ TROLL ALSO ON THE THREAD.

by Anonymousreply 8211/28/2017

r82

[qoute]getting homosexuality on their medical record for future employees to see.

any moron knows that ALL MEDICAL RECORDS are confidential. The stupidity regarding PreP on this thread is shocking.

by Anonymousreply 8311/28/2017

[quote]Nobody expects the black market has doctors to monitor one's black market Truvada usage.

Uh, yeah, that’s the point.

by Anonymousreply 8411/28/2017

Who are these guys taking PrEP just over the weekend? How can they get a script and just take it for weekend use? That will not end well.

by Anonymousreply 8511/28/2017

I have talked to my doctor about PREP and since I don't swallow cum or have unprotected anal sex as a top, there's no point in me going on it.

by Anonymousreply 8611/28/2017

r40 "receptive to anal cancer" so does oral sex makes you receptive to mouth cancer. So we are all doomed, we just have to make choices we can live with and not judge others by their choices.

by Anonymousreply 8711/28/2017

R40 people get rectal cancer from HPV, not from bottoming or receptive anal sex.

by Anonymousreply 8811/28/2017

[quote]so does oral sex makes you receptive to mouth cancer

Yes, your odds of oral cancer increase along with the number of your oral sex partners. Overall odds are still relatively low, but oral sex is clearly associated with a higher prevalence of HPV infection, which can lead to cancer.

by Anonymousreply 8911/29/2017

Sex=death

by Anonymousreply 9011/29/2017

Where's the life's a banquet troll?

by Anonymousreply 9111/29/2017

Anal cancer is more likely than oral because butt sex tends to be a lot more rough, disturbing the cells of the lining of the rectum and promoting their mutation.

There's a limit to how hard you can go with oral sex. Teeth and the gag reflex kick in quickly.

by Anonymousreply 9211/29/2017

'How can you get a script just for the weekend'?

DOH, these kids who get it online just buy batches of a 100 at a time.

by Anonymousreply 9311/29/2017

nobody answered the question of fingertip cancer due to increased typing?!

by Anonymousreply 9411/29/2017

[quote]Anal cancer is more likely than oral because butt sex tends to be a lot more rough, disturbing the cells of the lining of the rectum and promoting their mutation. There's a limit to how hard you can go with oral sex. Teeth and the gag reflex kick in quickly.

HPV is not HIV. HPV can be transmitted via “gentle” sex just as easily as during rough sex.

by Anonymousreply 9511/29/2017

R94, I think the fingertips are designed for lots of external pressure, unlike the butt which is designed to squeeze out shit, not to be pounded by a big dick. In the past people used their fingers in factories a lot and fingertip cancer was never a thing.

by Anonymousreply 9611/29/2017

R95, not all anal cancer occurs because of HPV. A lot occurs because the cells are pounded regularly, which disturbs them, and they mutate. The more often the pounding, the more likely this is. The rectum was not designed for butt sex.

by Anonymousreply 9711/29/2017

Shut up with your fake news, R97.

by Anonymousreply 9811/29/2017

Almost all anal cancer in gay men is caused by HPV- two strains of the virus are responsible for about 80% of cases.

by Anonymousreply 9911/29/2017

Those fools who are on PREP who do it raw/bare are idiots with death wishes.

by Anonymousreply 10012/07/2017

I'm old, no one loves me and I have no physical contact. Basically just waiting to die.

Gather ye roses while ye may. Sometimes I think old age is a fate worse than death.

by Anonymousreply 10112/07/2017

[quote]Almost all anal cancer in gay men is caused by HPV

A new analysis of genital human papillomavirus (HPV) in men shows that infection with one HPV type strongly increases the risk of reinfection with the same type. In fact, men who are infected with the type responsible for most HPV-related cancers are 20 times more likely to be reinfected within one year. This increased risk suggests that infection confers no natural immunity against HPV, as is often the case with other viruses.

Men who are infected once with HPV16, the type responsible for most HPV-related cancers, are at 20 times higher risk of reinfection after one year, and 14 times higher after two years. The researchers saw the same effect in both men who are sexually active and celibate, suggesting that they are not reacquiring the virus from another sexual partner.

by Anonymousreply 10212/07/2017

I won't even kiss or blow anyone anymore. Who knows if an inevitable super-AIDS that can be transmissable through kissing or oral is circulating in the community now, only to make itself known in 5-10 years? Hell, I could even be harboring it without even knowing it, because I have done kissing and oral contact up until this past summer. All these raw fuckers are messing it up for those of us who have played safe.

by Anonymousreply 10312/07/2017

OK I am not that fearful R103 I am just very picky who I have sex with and I have safer sex.

by Anonymousreply 10412/10/2017

AIDS 2 is here! Reports in the NYT of seven gay guys hospitalized with antibiotic resistant bubonic plague.

by Anonymousreply 10512/10/2017

R105 link? Or is this fake news?

by Anonymousreply 10612/10/2017

R105 if true, it wasn't spread by barebacking

by Anonymousreply 10712/10/2017

I'd rather not have sex at all than use a condom.

by Anonymousreply 10801/04/2018

I BB bottom pretty regularly. I'm not on PrEP and for the past year, I haven't been using condoms all the time. My feeling is that the guy I'm giving it up for is either neg and/or PrEP, OR he's poz but undetectable. Either way, I'm home free and not going to contract HIV. The more and more I have condomless sex, the more I've come to believe that sex, whatever the risks, was never meant to be done with latex. Not to be totally crass, but there's nothing like the feeling of warm flesh and jizz filling my hole.

by Anonymousreply 10901/04/2018

R109, why don't you just go on PrEP?

by Anonymousreply 11001/04/2018

I am an elder gay I guess ( 57 ) after being a top all my life I met a man I totally love who is undetectable and who I bottom for now on a frequent basis. I don't think exclusive tops know how intimate and close having a man inside you is. I am on PrEP as a precaution we are both clean of all STDs other than HSV-1 that causes cold sores on your lips and 90% of the population has that.

We are monogamous for now, if we decide to open up the relationship we will negotiate that in the safest way possible, we both adhere strictly to our med regimes and go to each others medical appointments . To me being intimate with someone you love and who turns you on big time necessitates the exchange of body fluids , if Truvada can provide that freedom hell yeah I will use it .

The issue is not PrEP it s a behavior pattern , people were having risking sex with multiple partners long before it came on the scene. The hook up culture has grown exponentially with Grindr and other apps , sex has become transactional and functional. It's easy to lose yourself in a compulsion for sex and drugs.

by Anonymousreply 11101/04/2018

PrEP whores are their own worst enemies.

by Anonymousreply 11201/04/2018

A friend of mine is 22. Has slept with around 400 guys. He slept with 40 while taking a week vacation to a gay New Years party. He’s on prep and always fucks raw. He just found out he has two STDs.

by Anonymousreply 11301/04/2018

I'm a total top when it comes to anal so theoretically, my risk of catching something is far lower but I still wouldn't stick my unwrapped dick in a guy that would let someone he didn't know was 100% STI free fuck him bareback, that's just common sense.

by Anonymousreply 11401/05/2018

Yes, all young gay guys on PrEP think it protects them from all known diseases, acts as a discount at H&M and Zara, and constitutes debt forgiveness on their student loans.

by Anonymousreply 11501/05/2018

I had amazing raw sex last night with a stud I met on grindr. I asked if he was on PrEP and his reply was "sure I'm on prep, wink wink". I took that to mean yes, although part of me wondered what the wink wink meant. At that point I was so horny, he could've written "I could say I'm on prep, but that would be a lie" and I'd still would've bottomed for him. He. Was. That. Hot! He shot a three-day load in me. Best sex I'd had in weeks.

by Anonymousreply 11601/05/2018

can't you masturbate in private, not on DL, R116?

by Anonymousreply 11701/05/2018

I'm guessing he was not really on PREP R116, go get tested.

by Anonymousreply 11801/07/2018

R116 is a troll,, the same one who used to provide us with lurid descriptions of steam room antics.

by Anonymousreply 11901/08/2018

If you check R116's history, he alternates from being a steam room cum dump to a cautionary worst-case-scenario alarmist.

Therefore it's probably just someone with a vivid imagination that's playing both sides of the fence.

by Anonymousreply 12001/08/2018

I live in a really small town so my "choices" are limited but I managed to get together with this hot daddy who lived in the area, I told him upfront that I didn't fuck without condoms and he said he was cool with that, we got together and pretty much the whole time he went on and on about how good my raw cock would feel in his ass, I didn't go back for seconds.

by Anonymousreply 12101/08/2018

R120 how do you check someone's history here on DL? Or is that only available if you pay?

Good for you R121, I don't get with people who want it raw or like you go back who talk about wanting it raw, and I'm a top.

by Anonymousreply 12201/12/2018

Never

by Anonymousreply 12301/12/2018

Bye, Frau Felicia @r123.

by Anonymousreply 12401/12/2018

Will all end in tears for a lot of hot, slutty bottoms who think this stuff makes them bullet-proof. STIs always emerge, evolve, and make sudden comebacks. Intimate body fluid-to-mucous membrane exchange is too effective a transmission vector. If not HIV, then something else...

by Anonymousreply 12501/12/2018

That's very true R125, a lot of men on PREP who do it BB/raw/unprotected are getting HEP C.

We've known for decades that unprotected anal sex transmits HEP C as well as other nasty STIs including HIV, but these fools will do or say anything to give and take raw cock and cum.

by Anonymousreply 12601/12/2018

While you sex-negs are sitting at home clutching your fake pearls and paranoid about stubbing your toes, the rest of us are out there living and enjoying our lives, which, yes, includes raw, unencumberd sex. Life is a banquet and should be lived to its fullest.

by Anonymousreply 12701/12/2018

The 'Life's a banquet!' troll is back at R127!

by Anonymousreply 12801/12/2018

I love the 'Life is a Banquet' troll with his stories of fetid steam room hook ups. He's suffering the final ravages of Antibiotic Resistant Syphilis so he doesn't have the energy to come on here very often these days.

by Anonymousreply 12901/12/2018

R129 I'm guessing the "life's a banquet' troll is too busy staying home jerking off with his hand and writing erotic fiction for nifty, and reddit to post here now?

by Anonymousreply 130Last Tuesday at 6:38 AM

Two new qualitative studies from Toronto shed light on how stigma affects the uptake of pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) and the experience of taking it. In the first, young gay men acknowledged that they did not always use condoms but did not see themselves as the kind of ‘barebacker’ for whom they thought PrEP was intended.

“PrEP embodies the notion of bareback sex, which traditionally has been associated with negative elements, and it is quite clear that the young gay men in this research do not want to be associated as a barebacking subject,” writes Julien Brisson in Anthropology & Medicine. “This is one reason why they did not want to use PrEP.”

In the second study, early adopters described concealing their PrEP use because of what it might suggest to others about their sexual behaviour. Nonetheless, most had an overwhelmingly positive experience of taking PrEP.

by Anonymousreply 131Last Tuesday at 6:54 AM

PrEP makes total sense for those who have lots of sex, like daily, like I used to in my 20's and early 30's.

For everyone else, it would be nice if we had guidance on if sporadic PrEP use really works or not.

by Anonymousreply 132Last Tuesday at 7:23 AM

R126 Hep C seems to be transmitted whenever there is a direct connection to blood--like in rough sex. Very doubtful that it can be transmitted through oral sex. It is definitely transmitted through sharing needles and that may often come with sex.

by Anonymousreply 133Last Tuesday at 7:26 AM

Well, you could try giving monogamy a chance. Like eating low-carb, it works but only when you actually do it.

by Anonymousreply 134Last Tuesday at 7:31 AM

Monogamy is fine but do you really expect people to be celibate until they find the one?

by Anonymousreply 135Last Tuesday at 8:23 AM

Not particularly, but going for quality over quantity is sure to make one more likely to find the one and more likely to be desirable by others for such a relationship.

by Anonymousreply 136Last Tuesday at 8:28 AM

[quote]Very doubtful that it can be transmitted through oral sex.

Are you calling me a liar?

by Anonymousreply 137Last Tuesday at 8:28 AM

R132,

If you google “on demand truvada PrEP” you will see some studies on it. Specific studies for on demand Prep should be coming out soon and maybe there will be actual recommendations on how to safely do this.

by Anonymousreply 138Last Tuesday at 8:31 AM

Dirty whores

by Anonymousreply 139Last Tuesday at 8:35 AM

I know recreactional PrEP users who start taking it on a Friday in anticipation of a very, um, "active" weekend. If you don't take it consistently, is it not effective?

by Anonymousreply 140Last Tuesday at 10:46 AM

One of the reasons for the HIV/AID$ Inc. hoax is that it makes homosexuals scared to have sex, so they buy more drugs instead.

by Anonymousreply 141Last Tuesday at 11:00 AM

Here's a tip, don't be a bareback cum slut.

by Anonymousreply 142Last Tuesday at 12:42 PM

Like all super powerful chemicals PreP will have detrimental long term effects on the internal organs. If it can repel the HIV virus, it will also be doing damage to tissues and nerves. The life expectancy of the perpetual Prep taker is probably only 60, rather than 90.

by Anonymousreply 143Last Tuesday at 3:12 PM

science?

by Anonymousreply 144Last Tuesday at 3:15 PM

R143,

Do you even know what drugs are used for PrEP? Do you know their mechanism of action? Do you know how long they’ve been used?

I’m not on truvada, but I can’t stand your ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 145Last Tuesday at 3:30 PM

I do know their mechanism of action and friends who are taking Truvada as part of Haart have been told to expect liver, heart and kidney problems after about 20-30 years of use.

by Anonymousreply 146Last Tuesday at 3:48 PM

Sadly more than likely there will be issues eventually, either the drug will be revealed to cause unforeseen side effects or organ damage after longterm use or thanks to all the barebacking idiots out there now, the virus will eventually mutate and become resistant to PrEP and then the shit will really hit the fan.

by Anonymousreply 147Last Tuesday at 9:03 PM

Say for whatever reason, you go cold turkey on Truvada, how long does it stay in your system to provide protection? A day? A week? A month? Hypothetically, if you were to just stop taking it, and then have receptive BB sex a week or two weeks later, would still protect you from contracting HIV from that encounter?

by Anonymousreply 148Last Wednesday at 4:38 PM

R148 , after your last unsafe encounter that involved semen exchange you should remain on Truvada for 28 days before stopping

by Anonymousreply 149Last Wednesday at 5:16 PM

I would not be surprised if that's true R143. Personally I just use condoms with any women and men who I have sex with-I am bisexual and a top-and I assume that whoever I am with could be HIV+. But I've had women and men who I was in relationships/partnerships which I thought were monogamous cheat on me.

by Anonymousreply 150Yesterday at 2:39 AM

I'm a healthysexual. Most of the time.

by Anonymousreply 151Yesterday at 4:16 AM
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