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Pedos all over DL defending, defending, now pro-pedo poster at rally.

Gays and lesbians pushed them out in the 70s and 90s, will they successfully hide out in the "queer" movement in 2017?

by Anonymousreply 7012/07/2017

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by Anonymousreply 111/05/2017

Is Eileen Scheff the person we want speaking about the priorities of the gay community?

"Additionally, Scheff has been identified as a founder of BAMN (By Any Means Necessary.)

Peter Schmidt, a senior writer for the Chronicle of Higher Education, wrote in a book for which Scheff was interviewed that she “helped found” BAMN, in addition to serving as its legal counsel. “Affirmative action was built by people taking direct militant action,” she told Schmidt, explaining BAMN’s riotous approach to activism.

At a 1991 NAMBLA press conference, Scheff denounced the “witch-hunt” against pedophiles.

“As an activist in the legal and political struggle for lesbian/gay rights and for freedom of sexual expression, I am here to support NAMBLA and to demand that the witch-hunt against it must be stopped,” Scheff said at the conference. “The media and police are targeting NAMBLA because it stands for the rights of young people to have consensual sex with whomever they want.”

“Denying youth their sexuality or driving sexual expression deeper and deeper underground will not stop child molestation,” Scheff added. She called for “youth-controlled centers where they can freely socialize and enjoy safe, consensual sex.”

“I call on all progressive people in the lesbian/gay community, in the women’s movement, and in the community at large to defend NAMBLA and its right to advocate for consensual sex regardless of age, and to unite our forces to make a fight for the real solutions to sexual coercion and abuse,” Scheff said."

by Anonymousreply 211/05/2017

Eileen sounds just like many of our frequent posters here. Sadly, they are far from alone. Pedos hold academic conferences at Cambridge!

The queer and T movement focus on age of consent is being posited as just another SJW activist issue.

by Anonymousreply 311/05/2017

They vent about their struggles and push for acceptance of their agenda in tony newspapers.

by Anonymousreply 411/05/2017

The notorious Salon piece claiming being a pedo as a sexual orientation and claiming the mantle of true victimhood is linked here.

They surely see the victims of Spacey and others speaking out as a threat to their agenda. They want gays and lesbians to not notice where they are pushing the movement and to act as unknowing tacit cover. Nope.

They want use social acceptance and legal protections of gays and lesbians in their quest to normalize sex with children. GROSS.

by Anonymousreply 511/05/2017

The notorious Salon piece is linked here.

Gay men and lesbians need to decide if they want pedos to use the gay movement to advance their agenda. The pedos and T have pushed a "queer" umbrella to fold in the age of consent focus. They are trying to use the same legal framework.

by Anonymousreply 611/05/2017

They are all over DL pushing their thinking. GROSS.

Adults should not have sex with people under 18. All your creepy distinctions seem to get you off, you go on endlessly. Some, like Spacey, prey on anyone, regardless of age.

Non-pedos want to protect kids.

by Anonymousreply 711/05/2017

R7, I agree.

by Anonymousreply 811/05/2017

This commentor at the link above makes good points. We are constantly being manipulated and groomed. The T pushing to criminalize language is very dangerous. They are literally using gay rights and the gay community to push this agenda. If we don't speak out, we are complicit. Spacey tried this just this week: "My brave truth, yadda yadda, gay, celebrate me! Don't feel empathy for those kids I assaulted..."

Sam Wender, London, United Kingdom, 2 years ago This article disgusts me. I have always believed, judging by the way the liberal elite love to take on minority causes, that it was just a question of time before paedophile sob stories started coming out and we would be encouraged to see them as victims. This is slowly starting to happen in some television dramas and in the press. Eventually we will be told we have to accept their reprehensible disgusting way of life as 'normal'. And of course if we don't we'll be cast as bigots. Truly, when that day comes, we really will have reached rock bottom as a 'society'.

by Anonymousreply 911/05/2017

[r9] is clearly a Right wing troll. Having been out for 20 years I have never seen or met a NAMBLA member. The Right wing loves bringing them up.

by Anonymousreply 1011/05/2017

Lots of Right-Wingers here. NAMBLA? Good lord.

by Anonymousreply 1111/05/2017

R10, I think you may have a lot in common with Hastert or Sandusky, actual Republicans, but the kiddie fiddling trumps all, right? Lame attempt at deflection.

Pedos using the gay movement to normalize sexually preying on kids is bullshit! Dan Savage, Spacey and Eileen Schiff are not spokespeople for most gays and lesbians and should not be revered, but rather, reviled.

by Anonymousreply 1211/05/2017

I bet this pedo nonsense will be shown to come from Russia, like those anti-Muslim protesters in Texas. I despise when people shriek "Boris" or attribute any dissenting opinion to "Russian bots." But it's a gut feeling. I was in academia for a long time (got out). It is implausible that all of the sudden activists are pushing pedophilia.

by Anonymousreply 1311/05/2017

[quote][bold]Mike Cernovich Stole My Photo, Lied About It On Twitter, And Sold Trump Jr. On Yet Another Fake Conspiracy[/bold]

[quote]A right-wing conspiracy theory was born at Columbia University last night, based on a lie that spread with remarkable speed from a student-led college protest to the immediate family of the president of the United States. As a result, Donald Trump Jr., along with countless others, now believe that Twitter is running interference for pro-pedophile antifascist student protesters.

[quote]Here's how that happened: On Monday night, Alt Right meme-maker and self-styled "national security reporter" Mike Cernovich was invited by the Columbia University College Republicans to deliver a speech about the rise of "alternative media." His appearance sparked protests from some members of the student body, who questioned the value of providing a platform to a speaker who critics call a rape apologist, white nationalist, and serial online harasser. An hour prior to the speech, as a few hundred people gathered to rally against the event, [bold]a group of counter demonstrators—disguised as protesters—briefly unveiled a NAMBLA-branded banner suggesting the anti-Cernovich crowd was also anti-"pedo bashing" (as in, pro-pedophile).[/bold]

[quote]"Someone said 'hold this real quick' and then they proceeded to snap pics," recalls Mistee Denson, a Columbia social work student and one of the organizers of the protest. "Someone quickly realized what it said and ran them off. Unfortunately, they got what they wanted." What they wanted was for people to share photos of the stunt online, which I did, noting in a tweet that the banner was planted by the Alt Right—pedo is a favorite term of Cernovich's crowd, which overlaps heavily with the pizzagate crowd; contemporaries of Cernovich, like Jack Posobeic, are known for such banner stunts.

[quote]In quick succession, Cernovich, Posobiec and other Alt Right luminaries swiped my photo, sending their own tweets without any mention that the banner was planted. The image was removed from Cernovich's Twitter once I reported the copyright infringement, though that only fueled the firestorm: Paul Joseph Watson, a writer at InfoWars, then claimed that Twitter was censoring the #NAMBLAANTIFA image. As of this writing, his censorship-alleging tweet has been shared over 12,000 times, and liked by 10,000 people—including Donald Trump Jr..

[quote]Watson's story about pro-pedophile protesters and Twitter censorship is on the front page of InfoWars. The conspiracy site—which has previously claimed that 9/11 was an "inside job," that the Sandy Hook massacre was a "false flag" operation and that Michelle Obama is a "tranny"—is a favorite source of content for both Donald Trump Jr. and his father. Repeatedly, family members and close confidantes of President Trump have helped to amplify the site's lies.

[quote]"As for the president's son, I think his ‘like' speaks for itself and brings attention to the fact that he, himself is a follower of these alt-right groups,” Denson added.

[quote]Other than a minor troll turning into a Trump-approved conspiracy theory, the night was relatively undramatic. A few hundred protesters rallied in the halls of Lerner Hall, focusing most of their energy on the Columbia President Lee Bollinger's strident defense of hosting such speakers on campus.

by Anonymousreply 1411/05/2017

[quote][bold]Alt-Right Frames Protesters as Pedophiles With Fake NAMBLA Sign[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 1511/05/2017

[quote][bold]This Might Be the Most Insane and Depressing Fake-News Story Yet[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 1611/05/2017

pasting R15 link again

[quote]Alt-Right Frames Protesters as Pedophiles With Fake NAMBLA Sign

by Anonymousreply 1711/05/2017

DL wont let me paste the word N@MBLA, it's in the title of the article, which turns into [...] after I click post, and the hyperlink @ R15/R17.

[quote]Alt-Right Frames Protesters as Pedophiles With Fake N@MBLA Sign

The alt-right framed student protesters as pedophiles on Monday night. Within 90 minutes, even Donald Trump Jr. had bought into the hoax.

Mike Cernovich, an alt-right conspiracy theorist, was at Columbia University Monday night to give a speech to the school’s College Republicans club. But when students protested outside the event, trolls posed in front of them with a banner promoting NABLA: the North American Man-Boy Love Association. Cernovich and other alt-right figures quickly copied a journalist’s picture of the sign and tweeted it as evidence that the anti-Cernovich protesters were pro-pedophile.

The demonstration, organized by Columbia students, was in protest of Cernovich and other far-right speakers at the school

“This goes beyond what college Republicans are planning in terms of speakers,” student Jasmeen Nijjar who helped organize the protests told The Daily Beast. “It’s also about Columbia being in the Harlem community, and how pervasive the idea of white supremacy is, and how complicit Columbia is to allow such speakers on campus.”

Writer Jake Offenhartz was covering the protests for the New York City blog Gothamist when at least one masked man moved to the front of the crowd with a large banner that read:

“No white supremacy, no pedo bashing, no Mike Cernovich,” over a slew of logos including one that read “New York City Antifa” and another that read “NAMBLA.”

At least two people at the Columbia event “unveiled the banner and handed it to a couple of people who held it without really of looking at it,” before disappearing into the crowd Offenhartz told The Daily Beast.

“But 30 minutes after Offenhartz tweeted the picture, Cernovich copied it and posted it without context or credit.”

Mistee Denson, a Columbia graduate student who organized the protests said the protest had approximately 250 attendees, many of whom students did not recognize.

“There were a lot of faces we didn’t recognize, and a lot of people with their own signs with their own opinions,” Denson told The Daily Beast. “We were behind the sign and didn’t know what it said. Somebody said ‘hey can you hold this for a second?’ They were disguised as antifa.”

But protesters were quick to pick up on the ploy.

“People involved with these protests are very cognizant about plants, so they realized very quickly what was happening,” Offenhartz said. “It was up for about 10 seconds before a couple protesters ran over, explained what was happening, and threw it to the ground and ripped it up.”

Offenhartz took a picture of the NAMBLA sign and tweeted it, noting that it was the product of trolls who sometimes plague protests. “Alt right strikes first at Columbia Cernovich event, plants NAMBLA-branded sign in front of protest march,” he wrote.

by Anonymousreply 1811/05/2017

Lame, R13, read about the recent conference at Cambridge or the manifesto pushed in the 70s. Linked above. Read the Salon piece or the one in the NYT, linked above.

Pedos are clearly worried they won't prevail this time either, with good reason.

by Anonymousreply 1911/05/2017

Not buying it, R18. Elaine Schiff, linked above, was a founder of BAMN and is a N A M B L A member too. She has acted as a lawyer for them. In interviews she links the gay rights movement with the goals of N A M B L A. The links with Antifa and Antifa type groups and pedos go way back, decades. The reaction to the sign was not positive so now there is distancing. They are pushing hard in academic conferences, in tony Op Eds, in media, in the streets and online. They are dug in with T and SJW movements. Yet more and more, people are feeling empathy for the victims and disgust for the pedos. There is increasing recognition of the harm done.

Pedos try to hide in a variety of social justice causes and piggyback to push their agenda. Historically, it is gay men and lesbians who kicked them out.

by Anonymousreply 2011/05/2017

That “pro-pedo” poster is a fake. Die in a fire, OP.

by Anonymousreply 2111/05/2017

Everyone from Oprah to Dr. Drew has spoken out about the harm caused.

by Anonymousreply 2211/05/2017

Elaine Schiff was also in Berkely.

Posters on the DL echo the pro-pedo intersectial agenda daily.

Fixate on one sign but there are decades of overt pro-pedo activism and sands of pro-pedo posts right here, just for starters.

by Anonymousreply 2311/05/2017

Elaine Schiff and Woody Allen constantly wring their hands about "witch hunts" - everyone not a pedo believes adults should keep hands off minors. We don't get hard over drawing fine distinctions at great length, and using pedo speak, it is pretty clear.

Wonder if they all get a script, it's the same phrases and tactics over and over. Maybe she's another friend of Epstein, like Woody, Clinton and Spacey?

by Anonymousreply 2411/05/2017

Non-pedos care about victims and preventing future victims.

by Anonymousreply 2511/05/2017

The ties between BAMN and N A M B L A are long standing and undeniable.

by Anonymousreply 2611/05/2017

Shanta Driver is another connection between the Revolutionary Workers League, BAMN, NAMBLA and now Antifa. Her tactics, like Scheff, at one time her law partner, haven't changed in decades.

by Anonymousreply 2711/05/2017

WTF is BAMN?

by Anonymousreply 2811/05/2017

During her speech, Scheff called for "youth-controlled centers" where adults can have sex with children. She advocated for the women's movement, the LGBT community, and progressives to unite behind NAMBLA's cause.

Spacey, Woody and Singer would love that idea. They are jaded and want to get off, degrade, manipulate. They don't care a bit about causing lifelong harm to another human.

by Anonymousreply 2911/05/2017

Square brackets are now being used on this site to denote a group beginning with N.

by Anonymousreply 3011/05/2017

"Scheff called for "youth-controlled centers" where adults can have sex with children"

Great - underage brothels...

by Anonymousreply 3111/05/2017

Keep lying, OP. We see you.

by Anonymousreply 3211/05/2017

I have no idea what any of this is about, this thread is like a psyche ward on acid.

by Anonymousreply 3311/05/2017

I'm old enough to remember the constant pairing of 'pedophile' and 'gay' that happened in the '70's. It was horrific and frankly evil. It also ensured that no one was talking about the straight pedos. And there are far more straight pedo's than gay ones.

by Anonymousreply 3411/06/2017

"Now," r30? No, that word has been blocked on DL at least since I've been here, which was 12 years ago.

Actually the script that deals with that word may show the ellipses at first, but I can see every instance of it just fine in this thread. That's been happening a lot with the long-time banned words on DL ever since we went to this format a few years ago. The new code doesn't always ban the permabanned words.

And yeah, R33, this is clearly one mentally ill person spamming their own thread. Much of what they say doesn't make any logical sense, as though they've forgotten some key words in their sentences or have used incorrect words.

by Anonymousreply 3511/06/2017

Trolls trolling Datalounge. What else is new?

by Anonymousreply 3611/06/2017

I've been reading all the Spacey threads and NOBODY is defending the sexual abuse of children. There are a few people saying Rapp is lying and others fairly saying let's wait and see innocent until a proven guilty.

You trolls who are saying Spacey has defenders all over DL are truly fucked in the head and ugly human beings.

by Anonymousreply 3711/06/2017

There is a history of people using the gay right movement to advance their pedo agenda that requires vigilance. Read the statements of Scheff, still an activist, or Hay, etc. Read Savage on teens or "inter-generational sex." Those that deflect and divert have clearly chosen a side. Many on DL are ready to repeat history and again call them out and push them out.

by Anonymousreply 3811/06/2017

The photos are obvious photoshops. This is the latest lie from the far-right, linking Antifa and the Left to Nambla and pedophiles. Maybe Vlad is pushing it.

by Anonymousreply 3911/06/2017

No, we don't. I have a big enough headache keeping up with all the other bullshit popping up...

by Anonymousreply 4011/06/2017

Pedophilia is a condition not a crime. But it becomes a crime if you ACT on it. I have zero tolerance for any interaction with underage kids of whatever gender. And don't give me that consensual crap. Maybe you can't help your thoughts. But you can bloody well help your actions. And that includes watching online stuff, in which real children are harmed.

by Anonymousreply 4111/06/2017

Ts want to lower the age of medical consent. Next they’ll want to lower the age of sexual consent.

T is a Trojan Horse. They are not our friends.

by Anonymousreply 4211/06/2017

Good strategy if you want to completely wreck the gay community. It doesn't matter what our position on Ts is.

There is no room for pedos in the gay community. We neither support nor condone that behavior. EVERYTHING else is merely a smokescreen designed to make gay people look like sick predators.

You can be opposed to pedos without having to support the Ts one way or the other. You can shriek and scream all you want about the Ts to your heart's content, but it doesn't change that fact.

Linking the two is just another in a line of disgusting strategies designed to vilify the gay community - you're either a dupe, fool, russian bot, or shill if you can't separate the two.

by Anonymousreply 4311/06/2017

No, r43.

It’s impossible to change bio sex. Men who claim to be women are insane. They’re the very last people who should be allowed in women’s spaces where women and children are vulnerable.

Insane men who perv on kids would easily put on a wig and claim to be female to access their prey. It’s happened before and will inevitably happen again.

Take Julianna Fialowski. He was a counselor to gender confused kids until he raped one. He’s now in jail for child porn. Plenty of “transwomen” have abused children...way more than bio women.

In fact, Ts have killed more people than people have killed Ts.

If you care about children, keep them away from “transwomen.” In my opinion, “transwomen” is synonymous with pedo pervert.

by Anonymousreply 4411/06/2017

[quote]I've been reading all the Spacey threads and NOBODY is defending the sexual abuse of children.

Absolute bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 4511/06/2017

r44 - the gay community neither supports nor condones pedos or other predators of children.

PERIOD.

You can oppose the Ts to your heart's content. All else is smoke and mirrors and a distraction.

Your agenda to tie hatred of pedos with hatred of the Ts is logically flawed. If your logic held, we'd have to damn the entire gay community for the actions of people like Dahmer and Gacy.

I believe that the goals and agenda of the Ts are no longer sufficiently aligned with gay people, so we should begin evaluating whether it continues to make sense to tie ourselves with them. Sexual orientation and sexual identity are consistently held to be separate and different. In the past, it might have made sense since there was some overlap in both the populations and goals of rights and equality. However, it's becoming increasingly clear that our goals have diverged with calls for dropping gay men from our own community organizations for not being sufficiently oppressed to meet some lunatic standard.

However, this is all separate from my wholesale condemnation of pedos that target children - behavior which should not be tolerated. Whether some pedos are Ts is irrelevant. Just as it is irrelevant that some pedos are gay. It's the pedo behavior which is abhorrent.

by Anonymousreply 4611/06/2017

What we need to talk about is alt-right trolls like OP who post garbage like this. Stop falling for their nonsense. There is no more of a link between ANtifa and pedophilia than there is between gay men and pedophilia.

by Anonymousreply 4711/06/2017

Anyone who doesn't know that alt right trolls troll Datalounge and spread anti-LGBT propaganda around here must be headless.

by Anonymousreply 4811/06/2017

The thing is they don’t exactly announce themselves, R48. OP is a perfect example.

The transphobic folks here are all mostly alt-righters too. It does align with their beliefs. We’ve always wondered why a gay website had such a vocal anti-trans contingent. Well now we know. They’re the same as the Milo stans, the Stormfront interlopers and the russian bots. It’s all alt-right shenanigans just like this thread trying to make Antifa look pro-pedophilia.

Alt-right trolls, all of them.

Antifa on the other hand are pro-LGBT. That means pro-GAY and anti-homophobia. It was not Antifa chanting “Fuck You F@ggots” in Charlottesville. That was the alt-right, same as the loons here pretending to be pro-gay but anti-trans.

by Anonymousreply 4911/06/2017

Block OP and you’ll find him all through this thread pushing lies and dismissing anyone countering him.

by Anonymousreply 5011/06/2017

r49, how can one not see the OP is a troll? The image he liked to has been discussed on JMG. I am not giving posters the benefit of the doubt if they link to fake news pictures like that. That would be insane.

Link leads to the JMG discussion. Note the date: October 31st 2017. Starting a thread with said picture on today/yesterday? Troll.

by Anonymousreply 5111/06/2017

Strange. Link didn't work. Try again.

by Anonymousreply 5211/06/2017

[quote][R49], how can one not see the OP is a troll

Calm down, hon. You get today’s gold star for spotting trolls. No one can take that away from you, I promise.

Pointing out that a troll is a troll is still a worthy thing for other posters to do. Not everyone follows “JMG.” (really?) Not everyone is as well-versed in the latest BS from the alt-right.

by Anonymousreply 5311/06/2017

[quote]Not everyone is as well-versed in the latest BS from the alt-right.

It's in their own best interest to get more well-versed.

by Anonymousreply 5411/06/2017

If you click on link in r51 and r52 and get the "page not found" page, type "Far-Right Extremists Plant NAMBLA Banner At Protest" in the search field of the page and you get to the originally linked discussion.

by Anonymousreply 5511/06/2017

I hope you feel stupid now OP for falling for a far right trick .

by Anonymousreply 5611/06/2017

R56 OP is a troll.

by Anonymousreply 5711/06/2017

R45= extreme right TROLL

by Anonymousreply 5811/06/2017

Poor OP - the promised civil war didn’t erupt on Saturday, and now it’s been driven out of its tiny little mind.

by Anonymousreply 5911/06/2017

Eileen Sheff is an undeniable link, over a period of decades. So is Driver. Hay was said to cry when gays and lesbians rightly called pedos child abusers and pushed them out of parades and organizations. The workers groups embrace their agenda, we were the only ones to call it out, historically.

by Anonymousreply 6011/06/2017

Antifa promised to get me out of the joint in time for Christmas. They're true freedom fighters.

by Anonymousreply 6111/06/2017

Antifa are not the enemy. Stop buying their lies. Antifa fights FOR us.

by Anonymousreply 6211/07/2017

reading all the recent threads, this website is infested with pedos. i'm out.

by Anonymousreply 6312/06/2017

Since you're lying, you won't be missed, R63.

by Anonymousreply 6412/06/2017

Man, the OP is all over this thread, with over a third of the posts, pushing long-discredited conspiracy theories and making shit up. Someone *really* needs to get a life.

by Anonymousreply 6512/06/2017

R49...you are delusional if you think most of the anti-Trans people here are right-wing trolls. The fact that you can't grasp why gay men and women (the vast majority of DL) might have an issue with Trans ideology is your problem.

by Anonymousreply 6612/06/2017

[quote]you are delusional if you think most of the anti-Trans people here are right-wing trolls.

Based on their other posts, many of them are, in fact, members of the alt-right.

[quote]The fact that you can't grasp why gay men and women (the vast majority of DL) might have an issue with Trans ideology is your problem.

The "vast majority of DL" doesn't give a shit about "Trans ideology." The fact that you can't grasp this, nor grasp why, is your problem.

by Anonymousreply 6712/06/2017

R49 yet again trying to gaslight the Trans-Critical by calling them "alt-Right."

No, you stupid turd, the Trans-Critical are just sane. They don't believe that boys who like pink are girls and need to slice off their balls and cut up their penis.

You, R49, and your Trans Cronies are the regressive lunatics.

by Anonymousreply 6812/06/2017

Stfu r67 and peddle your divisive pro trannie propaganda elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 6912/07/2017

Gee, r69, I thought you morons just hated it when people tried to "silence" you. Good thing you're not a hypocrite, right?

[quote]No, you stupid turd, the Trans-Critical are just sane.

Not based on your posts here.

by Anonymousreply 7012/07/2017
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