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The Fadi Fawaz Saga Part XI

The Freedom documentary has been shown, yet George Michael's final years remain a mystery. Will the BBC interview provide clues? King George is back at #1 in the UK but alas, the teenyboppers reign supreme in the US. Fadi is in Australia, but where is he now? What will happen if his poem One Christmas Day is released as a song?

The saga continues ...

by Anonymousreply 60011/22/2017

Here is an article about LWP performance in America.

by Anonymousreply 110/28/2017

^seems I can only see a pic but no article

by Anonymousreply 210/28/2017

The LWP box set is beautiful. I think I purchased the only one in Toronto. I know most people download or stream nowadays but this is a set that is worth owning in physical format.

by Anonymousreply 310/28/2017

George Michael would be smiling from ear to ear this morning. His 1994 album, LIsten Without Prejudice, is back at number 1 after 27 years.

The album– tied to the documentary “Freedom”– sold 56,000 copies in the UK and beat contemporary artists like Pink and Niall Horan.

The reissue contains the original CD, outtakes, the remixed Nile Rodgers track “Fantasy,” and George’s MTV Unplugged album.

Interestingly, in the US there’s been nary a peep about the reissued album. “Listen” sold 11,122 including streaming this week and finished at number 44. But that’s not a total surprise since the album is on Sony, the label George sued successfully back in the 90s. The lawsuit and its repercussions are discussed thoroughly in the film.

Sony/Epic could have taken more advantage of the reissue’s potential popularity. The whole company of Sony/Columbia/Epic has just 7 albums in the top 50 this week. Five are on Epic. “Listen” would have given them a boost. So would Michael Jackson’s “Scream”album from Sony, which has also disappeared from the charts a short time after its release.

PS If George had sold 56,000 copies in the US this week, he would have been number 2 or number 3. Instead he was number 44 (including streaming) and number 14 (without).

by Anonymousreply 410/28/2017

^Same problem GM has in the American market now as he has had since the 1990s. That is too bad

by Anonymousreply 510/28/2017

Fans flock to makeshift shrines to George Michael outside his Highgate home ten months after the music legend's sudden death

by Anonymousreply 610/28/2017

I feel that Sony USA drop the ball on this one. They should have let the past stay in the past and promote this CD and the Faith Cd which will be 30 this week. You image the sells Sony could have gain by tying these Cd's together. But no they choose to sing and back people like Cardi B.

Sony/ATV senior director of A&R Jennifer Drake said in an announcement. “It’s tangible and you can connect to that. We are so proud to be able to work with a talented artist like Cardi and excited to see her push the culture forward.”

by Anonymousreply 710/28/2017

Is Liam Gallagher on Sony/Columbia/Epic? I think the reason he was included in the 'documentary' (read 'promotional TV piece') was no small coincidence. George and Liam had no connection, but Liam debut album was released days out from the LWP reissue. Shameless piece of cross promotion methinks - as well as a good chuckle for team GM as LWP pushed Liam's album out of top chart billing.

by Anonymousreply 810/28/2017

R7 I never heard of Cardi B before. I don't know her.

^ or maybe George was just fan of Oasis (was he?) and he didn't one to have Noel on the docu so he asked Liam?

by Anonymousreply 910/28/2017

Liam said: “I was well pleased. When they asked me I was like, ‘Are you sure you don’t want Noel doing it?’ Because Noel’s into all that yapping, and they said, ‘No, George wants you in it!’ So that was nice. Then he sent me flowers, God bless him.

“George was a big fan of Oasis when we first started. We were playing Bournemouth and he turns up with three Bananarama girls. I was going, ‘I’m sure that’s George Michael down the front.’ Our kid is like, ‘F*** off, carry on singing.’ But I go, ‘There is f****** George Michael pogoing.’

“I met him at the hotel and he was saying how much he loved the band. I met him a couple of other times. After the Olympics I went to his house.

“He always had time for me. It’s very sad. Wherever he is, he is sitting there thinking ‘f*** it, job done’. I’m sure he achieved everything he wanted to and more. He lived his life. That’s what it’s all about, living your life the way you should. The only person you have to answer to is yourself.”

by Anonymousreply 1010/28/2017

Why do gm fans always use the sony lawsuit as an excuse why the reissue did not do well. Did it occur to you guys that the main problem is that when gm was alive he did not tour the states for a very long time. He was practically forgotten to the extent that people were surprised he was still alive when he died. He did not release any new album for the past twenty something years here in the state. Most younger Americans only associate him with that last Christmas song.

by Anonymousreply 1110/28/2017

[R11) did you not read the article that (R4) posted. It comes from Showbiz411 and the author discuss how Sony fail to promote the LWP Cd. No most young people do not associate him with the Last Christmas. Many of them believe its a Taylor Swift song.

by Anonymousreply 1210/28/2017

Last Christmas (Lyrics) Gwen Stefani. I love this version it sounds great. Gwen did a good job covering this.

by Anonymousreply 1310/28/2017

R3. Why would you think that lol.

by Anonymousreply 1410/28/2017

R12 No most young people do not associate him with the Last Christmas. Many of them believe its a Taylor Swift song.

Sad but true :(

by Anonymousreply 1510/28/2017

R8 “youthinks” wrong. They had a mutual appreciation of one another that goes back years. There are numerous instances of it on the web going back. This was not a sudden thing for promotion.

by Anonymousreply 1610/28/2017

Well, the timing with Liam's album release can't be coincidental with his comentsry on the 'documentary' - marketers would have ensured crosspromition when they saw it.

by Anonymousreply 1710/28/2017

Liam slams Paul Weller

Liam Gallagher‏ Oct 26

I don't give a fuck what Paul weller thinks I've never been 1 of his little bitches and he fucking knows it as you were LFUKING x

by Anonymousreply 1810/28/2017

George Michael on Paul Weller

by Anonymousreply 1910/28/2017

^are you new to business r17?

by Anonymousreply 2010/29/2017

How artists like George Michael and Prince paved the way for the independent artist

by Anonymousreply 2110/29/2017

r14 think what? Not sure what you're asking.

Physical sales are way down. I'm suggesting people buy the box set. It's beautiful. It's much nicer than the 2-CD. It has the original cover and it's limited so it is a must-buy for George fans.

by Anonymousreply 2210/29/2017

r14 oh, sorry - misread your question.

I think I bought the only one in Toronto because everywhere I went it was unavailable. There's not many record stores left in the city and most were not carrying it. The 2-CD set is widely available (even at Walmart) but I haven't seen the box set. It is available on Amazon.

by Anonymousreply 2310/29/2017

Why [bold]MTV Unplugged concert[/bold] is not on the DVD?

DVD = The Southbank Show 1990 (documentary), Freedom '90 (music video), Praying for Time (music video), Freedom '90 (MTV 10th Anniversary performance)

by Anonymousreply 2410/29/2017

George Michael - Freedom: The Film - A Fashion Masterclass with Jean-Paul Gaultier

by Anonymousreply 2510/29/2017

I just don't understand why they don't release MTV Unplugged on DVD or Blu-ray.

by Anonymousreply 2610/29/2017

Here’s an article about wham in China with an interesting video of it and interview with the singer on the other side of the cassette tape they gave out to concert goers.

by Anonymousreply 2710/29/2017

Thanks r3 423. Do you mean the lp version when you say box set? I realize that might be a stupid question. I guess that would be more impressive than the CD set. I haven’t seen either yet.

by Anonymousreply 2810/29/2017

Don’t know if they realize it themselves but a few people are very adversary on here when they talk about FF’s behaviour or how(in their opinion)he’s expected to behave after GM’s death.Some claim he isn’t relevant but would be interested again if he decided to speak about what happened in GM’s last days/hours.Some think he only seeks attention by talking nonsense but why is he getting all the attention then when once in a while he tweets about random events in his LiFe. Leave him be!10 months after G’s death he ‘s doing what he has to do,meaning ,he goes on with his LiFe ,visiting friends&family. Maybe he talked a lot of BS till now(mostly reacting 2 tabloid articles or to bashing GM”fans”)but, however,he mainly remains silent&seems to be the only one who didn’t talk at all about his relationship with G till now&I don’t think he ever will (or should)altho I get the impression some people are not happy with that either❓

by Anonymousreply 2910/29/2017

r28 not a stupid question. I meant the CD box set. I don't believe there is a deluxe box set on vinyl - however, I could be wrong. There is a remastered vinyl (just the album). It is nice looking.

So far, I have seen a 2-CD version (the album + Unplugged), the deluxe CD version (3CD/DVD) and the remastered vinyl.

If you're a diehard GM fan and love this album I would buy it soon. The Faith deluxe reissue is now out of print (and I missed it).

r26 I don't get it either. It's one of George's best performances. I don't really understand why the audio of Unplugged is part of the LWP deluxe since it's from a different era, but I am happy to have it.

by Anonymousreply 3010/29/2017

I am enjoying this LWP CD. With that being said Faith will be thirty this Tuesday may how time files. Anyway I wish Sony/GM estate had done something similar for that album.

by Anonymousreply 3110/29/2017

r31 Faith was reissued in 2011 in several different sets - 2CD, 2CD/DVD and then a deluxe set. I am sure it will be reissued again one day.

I think the focus is on LWP because George had worked on it before his death. In fact, it was delayed several times. I believe it was supposed to be reissued in the fall of 2016 and then it got delayed. I do remember it was delayed before George passed away.

by Anonymousreply 3210/29/2017

The sound in Faith remastered is not much different than the album released in 1987 but the DVD is great it has music videos, Jonathan Ross interview and Music Money Love Faith

by Anonymousreply 3310/29/2017

Thanks for the information.

by Anonymousreply 3410/29/2017

iTunes Music Video Ranking No.30 If I Told You That

iTunes Music Video Ranking No.35 Freedom! '90

by Anonymousreply 3510/29/2017

[R29] = FF

by Anonymousreply 3610/29/2017

[R24] [R26] That is exactly what I'd like to know! Does this question deserve its own thread? Does anyone know which buttons to push to make this happen? Let's start a movement! I must have that concert on DVD ...

by Anonymousreply 3710/29/2017

I wish the estate would release the Wham Final Tour and Cover to Cover Tour. I read somewhere that George own the rights, so I am keeping my fingers cross.

by Anonymousreply 3810/29/2017

I don't know why the Cover to Cover Tour was not part of the LWP set. It would have been a nice addition.

by Anonymousreply 3910/29/2017

^ Yes, those too!

by Anonymousreply 4010/29/2017

I want this on Blu-ray, DVD and Live album

1993 Concert of Hope

Setlist: Father Figure, One More Try, Love's in Need of Love Today (cover of Stevie Wonder), Freedom (Wham Song), Freedom 90, Everything She Wants

by Anonymousreply 4110/29/2017

It would be great to release all performances from this page in both audio and video format in high quality

by Anonymousreply 4210/29/2017

I noticed the documentary often plays the instrumental portions of Safe (another underrated and lesser known song) in the background. Seemed a bit odd to me but I assumed there would be some promo push on it and it would be in the box set. It’s not. Disc three has the everything but kitchen sink on it but not Safe. Why would they choose that song to sample in the background? Very odd.

by Anonymousreply 4310/29/2017

(42) I wish they would release these as well. Because George always give some great live performance.

by Anonymousreply 4410/29/2017

George was friends with blimming Geri Halliwell and Kate 'Cocaine' Moss, I think being mates with Liam who actually has-some-talent and achieved fame through music world makes more sense!!

by Anonymousreply 4510/30/2017

R36 😂😂😂

by Anonymousreply 4610/30/2017

Ahead of the broadcast of his final interview on Wednesday, George Michael remembers his joy of singing with Aretha.

by Anonymousreply 4710/30/2017

▶️ Keren Woodward on the moving effect of George Michael's music. We're playing his final interview this Wednesday.

by Anonymousreply 4810/30/2017

Sam Smith wants to be next George Michael

by Anonymousreply 4910/30/2017

Nile Rodgers' gratitude to George Michael and songwriter? David Austin

by Anonymousreply 5010/30/2017

[47] Every time I hear that story it cracks me up. [R49] Hell to the naw. I don't know why Sam keep trying to make this happen when in reality he is more like Boy George. But without the charisma.

by Anonymousreply 5110/30/2017

R48 Good to hear from people like Keren who spent a lot of time with George over the years. The other 2 Bananarama girls, Sara Dallin and Siobhan, were also his long time friends. Old and genuine friends unlike people like Geri and Kate Moss ever were.

by Anonymousreply 5210/31/2017

LWP Vol 1 enters Billboard 200 at #41. *Sigh*

by Anonymousreply 5310/31/2017

That's good considering Sony US did not promote it. This just shows that GM talent is what made him a great performer and word of mouth is still a powerful tool.

by Anonymousreply 5410/31/2017

Last night I saw a TV ad for LWP from Sunrise Records (Canadian record store) It was nice to see an album actually get a commercial.

I think this reissue would have done better if Sony had advertised it more.

Freedom '90 remains an enduring song so it is the perfect way to promote the album.

by Anonymousreply 5510/31/2017

Is number 41 on the us billboard actually good. I don't think so. The record company would rather promote cardi b because she is what the younger generation are into, they tend to like the rachet feminist female rappers. I can't name a single song by cardi b but she is hot right now among the under 25.

by Anonymousreply 5610/31/2017

It's a shame that record companies don't see the value of catalogue titles. Look at the success of the Beatles Mono and Stereo box sets from years ago.

This is also the first big Georg Michael release since his death and one that he worked on before he died so it is a special release.

by Anonymousreply 5710/31/2017

So GM family axed the tribute concert and they also don't want the BBC2 interview aired?

by Anonymousreply 5810/31/2017

[R56]/[R57], so true about these statements. I mean Cardi B can barely speak clearly, she has one hi wonder written all over her career. I remember being introduce to the Beatles anthology that aired on ABC. I wonder if this was done today, would the Beatles Anthology have been a success.

by Anonymousreply 5910/31/2017

My pussy was burnin' - Cardi B

I don't know this woman but this quote is enough for me

by Anonymousreply 6010/31/2017

GM family axed the tribute concert and they also don't want the BBC2 interview aired?

WHY?

by Anonymousreply 6110/31/2017

I go on tumblr a lot and all the youngsters there know who GM is and they certainly know he sang Last Christmas.

George is held up by Larries and 1d fans as a guy who was closeted by his label. They compare him to Harry and Louis from 1d.

by Anonymousreply 6210/31/2017

The BBC are also not allowed to put his last interview with Kirsty Young on Radio 2, 10pm tonight and next week, on iPlayer.

His estate said: “We don’t usually comment on private or business matters.”

by Anonymousreply 6310/31/2017

So we don't hear the last interview?

by Anonymousreply 6410/31/2017

George himself said the interview should air... If this is true, it's really disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 6510/31/2017

THE MIRROR. Is you source of information. I believe you are answering yourself in some of these post but whatever. The Daily Mirror and the Mirror seem the have some hatred for George's family. With the exception of that fake cousin and lovers whom they always big up. Make me wonder if they were working for them and selling stories about George.

by Anonymousreply 6610/31/2017

22:00

George Michael: The Red Line

Episode 1

by Anonymousreply 6710/31/2017

Have you all heard the Billboard Coming Around Again podcast on Faith? In general, the reviewers were on point (George "owned 1988 from a chart perspective") but did a slight disservice to the topic because weren't around when the album launched. And they dissed Hard Day and Monkey. :-/

IMO, it could have more strongly addressed the album's launch within the context of the times *and then* related it to current/future music trends as a way to engage younger audiences. As expected, they admitted that George was under-appreciated while alive.

The kicker came at the end when discussing his chances of getting into the RRHOF. In short, without a grassroots effort it's not likely to happen.

by Anonymousreply 6810/31/2017

R63 The BBC are also not allowed to put his last interview with Kirsty Young on Radio 2, 10pm tonight and next week, on iPlayer. -> This does not mean the interview will not be broadcast. It means that the interview will not be available on iPlayer from which you can download the whole interview for the next 30 days. [bold]The interview will air as scheduled[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 6910/31/2017

Hang on - I think the (poorly punctuated) article is saying the interview will be broadcast on BBC - just not on iPlayer.

Frankly I expect the interview to be highly staged and I'm sure heavily 'produced'.

by Anonymousreply 7010/31/2017

No, I've never been close

In all of these years

You are the only one to stop my tears

And I'm so scared

Of this love.

And if all that there is

Is this fear of being used

I should go back to being

Lonely and confused,

If I could, I would

I swear.

by Anonymousreply 7110/31/2017

Can someone record the interview and post it here please?

by Anonymousreply 7210/31/2017

[68] I saw the podcast and it was pretty good.

by Anonymousreply 7310/31/2017

'It's a real shame': George Michael's family 'block plans for a tribute concert which would celebrate his music and raise money for Childline'

by Anonymousreply 7410/31/2017

Podcast?

by Anonymousreply 7510/31/2017

The site says it will be available on i player. I don’t understand where all this controversy is coming from.

by Anonymousreply 7611/01/2017

Thanks r67 and when you click the little + sign it tells you above and below that the interview will be available shortly after the first airing. Calm down everyone.

by Anonymousreply 7711/01/2017

But for anyone who thought anything interesting or revealing will come if it look who the producer is.....

“Produced by David Austin for TBI Media”

Enough said.

by Anonymousreply 7811/01/2017

I think some of these posters who are spreading untruth information and saying that the family and David are liars; must work for the Mirror. Why else would they make statements as if you guys would not look the information up. When its proven to be a lie, they post another article from their rag magazine saying concert could befit charity. When that do work they post its produce by David Austin. I guess people really are boycotting this post hence why they are posting them here. SAD

by Anonymousreply 7911/01/2017

^Why are you mangling the English language? What the hell are you trying to say anyway?

by Anonymousreply 8011/01/2017

R479 I posted the producer credit and can assure you I have nothing to do with any tabloid.....you just have to go to the main article on bbc to see that he is listed as producer. It’s time to give up this theory you always post that tabloids are posting here. You really make no sense on a regular basis.

by Anonymousreply 8111/01/2017

This won't be available on catch-up so make sure you're listening tonight - Part 1 of @GeorgeMichael's final interview is coming up at 10pm.

by Anonymousreply 8211/01/2017

^ as long as you are available the first time around this should work : play it on your counter through the speaker live via their website. Then sit your cell beside it with “voice memo” or a similar app and record. Keep checking the app to make sure it stays recording. . At least then you can hear it a second time or go back to certain parts. I don’t understand why they won’t make it available later.

by Anonymousreply 8311/01/2017

^computer or tablet - not counter.

by Anonymousreply 8411/01/2017

[R79] Please go away - your posts are just stupid and noone wants to reas them.

by Anonymousreply 8511/01/2017

*read

by Anonymousreply 8611/01/2017

George and co were nothing if not control freaks... As said earlier, that thing was never going to air without a lot of (DA) production.

by Anonymousreply 8711/01/2017

Too bad no control was exerted where needed (George’s health and lifestyle)

I wonder if they don’t want airings of it around because he sounds bad? I guess that can get reengineerred too though.

by Anonymousreply 8811/01/2017

They just played an advert for it on bbc radio 2. He sounds like he’s talking through a vocoder. His voice echos and sounds thin. How sad. What else was wrong with him.

by Anonymousreply 8911/01/2017

[ 80 - 89] I think all of you need to go away with your miserable lives talking about a musician that many in the states don't even know and neither do you. GET A LIFE,GET A JOB hell go make some friends in real life and not imaginary. This guy had thing you wish for A LIFE I am sure if your life was on the tabloids GM would not care what happen to you as you should of him. Have a nice day LOSERS.

by Anonymousreply 9011/01/2017

[R90] I have a strong feeling you are David Austin . Tell us pls what GM's estate is trying to hide !

by Anonymousreply 9111/01/2017

bump

by Anonymousreply 9211/01/2017

[R90] = [R79] = DA

by Anonymousreply 9311/01/2017
by Anonymousreply 9411/01/2017

Missed the first 15 mins

by Anonymousreply 9511/01/2017

His voice sounded thin and they blast his music throughout the interview. A few coughs around the 5 minute mark are in the background. Parts about anselmo were pretty heart wrenching.

Oh and fuck you r90. What’s your life like if you troll forums so upset and attack others, making ridiculous assumptions about them.

by Anonymousreply 9611/01/2017

Why not do a little auto-tune and put it on BBC i player? What is wrong with G's family?

by Anonymousreply 9711/01/2017

It’s not DA is that same lunatic poster that can barely speak English and posts 90 percent of the crap on this thread (who is the one with no life really r90? Just hit the ignore button, go to the top right and it groups all of the ignored persons posts. It’s comical r90 is posting stuff then arguing with their own posts. I blocked this person in the X thread because they were causing trouble. And wrote 120 of 300 posts and decided to Unblock this time but I see the lunatic behaviour is still there. Just ignore it.

by Anonymousreply 9811/01/2017

Hearing George cry broke my heart

by Anonymousreply 9911/01/2017

Poor George. He started crying during the beginning of the anselmo conversation. Long pause. Kristy gently asks if he was to her to continue asking about anselmo. He says yes audibly needing to compose himself. Made me cry. He clearly had not stopped pining for him for the rest of his life. He admitted everyone else had a hard time after anselmo because who can compete with a ghost. I can’t put my finger on it with the thin week voice. Weak lungs? Medicated? It’s hard to say but despite a few slightly more spirited moments his voice betrays him with whatever was going on - physically or emotionally. Not surprised they don’t want this interview hanging around. And the music on full as they speak. It was so irritating for about the first 20 minutes. I almost wanted to shit the whole thing off. It took about that long to get past it.

by Anonymousreply 10011/01/2017

Me too r99. I recorded the interview. I’m not sure I can go back to it though. (I’m r100)

by Anonymousreply 10111/01/2017

Seems like he knew he didn't have much time left and felt like he wanted to tell the story, plus he sounded so ill. I had a bad feeling about him in 2016 but more about his mental state, didn't realize he was so sick. I wonder why Shirley and Andrew act like his death came as a total shock to them.

by Anonymousreply 10211/01/2017

R101 .. Can you post a link to your recorded interview? I missed several minutes as I was driving and my wifi did not cooperate

by Anonymousreply 10311/01/2017

R101 I promise I will try to later but honestly not sure I can. I literally recorded it on my phone memo as it played on a speaker. I hope it even turned out. The first 15 minutes or so were almost a repeat of things in the documentary and very overpowered by wham songs etc played over them speaking. Not just instrumental parts too so it was quite annoying. I think some of it was to cover the weakness of his voice. I would say if u missed the beginning you didn’t really miss anything. Anyway I will see what I can do with linking it somehow later on.

by Anonymousreply 10411/01/2017

R102 agree with you. I also think about Nu’s Post on shirlie’s Facebook that she “tried to make him as comfortable as possible in that last year.” I also think about that osteopathic guy who said he seemed to know he was dying and they had some sort of weird conversation.

by Anonymousreply 10511/01/2017

Sadly it seems a bit like he was preparing to make his exit.

by Anonymousreply 10611/01/2017

GM sounded so ill in the interview. His speech was flat, halting, his breath control seemed off, and some words were slightly slurred. I kind of think that the speech difficulties and the way he lost it when talking about Anselmo might indicate there was some brain damage from the M1 accident. I know that Anselmo was the great love of his life so GM never stopped grieving for him. In all the interviews I've seen and heard with him, he was always able to talk about Anselmo without breaking down so this was different than anything I've heard from him.

The music was irritating. It was filler so that they could cut huge chunks from the interview. If I had recorded it, I would go back and see how many minutes we heard GM speak and how many minutes were spent on his music. I love his music but I really wanted to hear from GM because a this is the last time we will. This was to be his final words to his fans and it isn't. It's the family's final words to his fans. I have no idea what he could have said in that interview that his family objected to but it's a damn shame that, after the man's death, they can barge in and change what he wanted to say.

by Anonymousreply 10711/01/2017

^agree Maybe m1 (and the collapse at home a year later) causing brain damage or maybe a medicated (for various reasons) man who was completely worn out by the last few years of his life. There was a certain feeling coming across of Finality vs comeback trail. I’m not surprised mas eve and all the loaded memories it had for him along with self admitted clinical depression, did him in. You raise a great point that he’s talked about anselmo many times before. This time was really raw grief. I shudder to think what was cut out.

by Anonymousreply 10811/01/2017

Please someone tell me they recorded it....please. Please post it. Please.

by Anonymousreply 10911/01/2017

Here you go

by Anonymousreply 11011/01/2017

Hi question from GM American fans. How can his American fans listen to this interview? Because judging by some of these post it seems impossible.

by Anonymousreply 11111/01/2017

R111 ... What do you mean? The interview was posted on the BBC website immediately after it was finished airing on the radio in UK. That was how I listened to it

by Anonymousreply 11211/01/2017

I don't remember exactly word to word, but in the beginning he talked about his looks and how he thought for a long time that he wasn't good looking or something in that sense. He mentioned that it comes from his childhood when he was told something by his parents. I wonder what that was...

by Anonymousreply 11311/01/2017

For those who want to download the mp3 file

by Anonymousreply 11411/01/2017

R110 that doesn’t seem to link to anything.

by Anonymousreply 11511/01/2017

R112 you must have heard it live or later from elsewhere as bbc stated it would not be aired after initial play. It’s right on their site and not available They tweeted it too. To Americans - you can hear part two live at 6pm eastern time on the bbc radio 2 website. Part two airs next Wednesday.

by Anonymousreply 11611/01/2017

Try this

by Anonymousreply 11711/01/2017

I wonder why it is not going to the site. Site is this --> https ://chirb.it/bc3mD7 --> just copy into the browser (be sure not to have spaces in the URL)

Otherwise go to the Mega site and download the mp3

by Anonymousreply 11811/01/2017

R114 Thank You

by Anonymousreply 11911/01/2017

Interested in hearing what others think of his voice.

by Anonymousreply 12011/01/2017

R116 ... I am on the US East Coast and it was on the BBC Radio 2 website right after it aired live. I listened to it from the BBC website at 6 pm (instead of 5 pm when it aired live)

by Anonymousreply 12111/01/2017

None of this surprises me - including the voice coverups with music. It was pointed out in previous threads that the DCM was end stage, that there may have been seizures/stroke, that GM was not going to sing again. Some Lovlies were in complete denial...

George's death can hardly have surprised anyone in the know. I think this highly produced audiocast just proves a point.

by Anonymousreply 12211/01/2017

I don't think his voice sounds that bad. Sounds diminished by smoking, age and not taking care of himself. He still came across as thoughtful and witty.

Did he throw shade at Robbie Williams? His imitation was funny.

by Anonymousreply 12311/01/2017

^See that. What an idiot this poster is. Have a feeling she is writing these posts with the horrible grammar on purpose just to get everybody's attention here

by Anonymousreply 12411/01/2017

Why cheers and M are so obsessed about brain damage?

by Anonymousreply 12511/01/2017

R121 you heard it live. England changed clocks back one hour this past weekend while North America does it this weekend. Therefore the time difference this week is only 4 hours not the usual 5. So you heard it live at 6 pm eastern time which was 10 pm in England. Don’t believe me? Look it up. Google what time is it in England. 4 hours difference. Therefore at 6 eastern time it was 10 pm in England.

by Anonymousreply 12611/01/2017

George was so ill he sounded like Tom Waits

by Anonymousreply 12711/01/2017

The music that was playing in between and in the background was so annoying. Jesus, what else would you expect from something produced by David Austin. GMs voice sounded shaky but not that bad as we went along. His thought process was clear. But this was not a normal happy man. Really lost respect for the likes of Shirlie and David in the last year. People in denial of reality, more than George himself. Or lying

by Anonymousreply 12811/01/2017

^ very shabby work by Austin. I love gm’s music but somehow, David managed to make it insufferable. People tuned in for an interview David. You managed to make his music annoying for a solid hour. It was bizarre to play it throughout.

by Anonymousreply 12911/01/2017

About 7 minutes in (on my recordings) while Kristy asks him about wham just before he said “absolutely what a wonderful joyride” ... etc while kristy talks you can hear GM coughing in the background. Honestly it’s super quick and muffled so U have to listen carefully but it’s there. I heard it the first time and I guess it just stood out to me cause I was already wondering wtf with his voice.

by Anonymousreply 13011/01/2017

How much from the original interview was removed by David Scissorhands and replaced with music and things we already heard in Freedom docu?

by Anonymousreply 13111/01/2017

He coughed - so what? So did I just then. What's your point?

by Anonymousreply 13211/01/2017

I'm not a fan of David Austin at all - and clearly we are all aware that he, Shirlie and just about everyone who was associated with GM closely has been lying out their ears since Christmas. But wake up everyone - why blame David for the Last Interview being what everyone wanted? Or the 'Freedom' doco. At the end of the day, David was perhaps the closest person to GM and has presumably done nothing but what GM wanted him to do his whole life. As has all of GM HQ, and his PR peeps, and the rest of GM's friends. David had no reason whatsoever to go hacking bits and pieces out of either the documentary or the interview - nothing in it for him and now that the Estate owns GM's assets, nothing is going to be released without their say so.

Everyone knew that GM was gravely ill and it's so unlikely that he had much to do with the Freedom documentary at all. As for the interview, GM retained the rights so that no-one outside his circle would have any opportunity to air it in a form he didn't want - ie verbatim and unproduced. Like the rest of his life, GM's last interview was always going to be 'doctored' to conceal as much of the truth as possible.

Can we all please stop dreaming that David Austin has gone out on a limb with either of GM's last 'projects'. It's just stupid.

by Anonymousreply 13311/01/2017

Well r132 you dickhead, the point was in the post and part of the whole conversation in the thread. His voice was shot, he sounds half dead, they play loud background music to cover but still could manage to hide all the indications he was a very sick man despite it being tremendously overproduced. Now go fuck yourself you argumentative prick.

by Anonymousreply 13411/01/2017

Fair enough r133. I think a lot of the David hate comes from times when GM was alive where he so loudly stated what everyone knew to be false (like after the M1) etc. He was likely doing George’s bidding but it’s just easier to get frustrated with David than George himself. Even David claiming how happy and contented George was in the obvious evidence of the opposite makes him seem like an idiot. I think it’s also easy to feel that if he and Shirley etc were really good friends, they might have gotten through to him and perpetuating George’s lies and covers makes them look like maybe they were enablers, but addiction doesn’t really work that way. Seems no one could really reach him.

by Anonymousreply 13511/01/2017

Interesting to listen to him recount the Sony lawsuit saga, I still disagree with him all these years later. It really negatively affected his career (especially in America). Sony could only do so much for the album considering his no-promo stance.

by Anonymousreply 13611/01/2017

I just listen to George's last interview and his voice sounded a fit off. It could have been from living an unhealthy lifestyle such as being a heavy smoker. This interview was also interesting, especial the Sony lawsuit. George was clearly still anger about it as was Sony (LWP was not promoted in the States) I guess Sony still hold a grudge against GM. The subject of the Kemps and David lying about George’s heath may or may not be fair to them. David may have felt that telling George’s business was not his to tell. If you have a friend and they ask you not to tell their secrets would you betray them? The Kemps have their own lives and home. They would have to be living in George’s house 24 hours a day to know what is going on with his health. You can ask a person how they are feeling and you know they are lying you can’t force a person to tell you the truth. George was an adult if he did not want others to know then that is his right not to disclose his information to them. I believe Andrew, does not live in England anymore. I think he move during the 1990’s because of taxes, I could be wrong about the taxes bit. What I do find interesting is that Shirlie twitted about this interview and not the freedom documentary.

by Anonymousreply 13711/01/2017

Very sad interview. George spoke slowly and deliberately with many pauses, with a voice that was profoundly changed from just a few years earlier. Spontaneous glibness was gone. Almost unrecognizable. Choking up when he reminisced about Anselmo was difficult to hear, but he revealed that subsequent boyfriends couldn't effectively compete with Anselmo's ghost. Why oh why did George Michael destroy himself!? I don't think any of these post mortem remnants will ever answer that question.

by Anonymousreply 13811/01/2017

Thing is, George controlled his narrative til the end... The public is left with the image he carried with him his whole career - all his drug taking, all his partying, escorts, drug driving and motor accidents, refusing to acknowledge reality in any form... all of this was because he was heart broken and traumatised.

Never at any point did George acknowledge that plenty of people go through horrible trauma and go on to live constructive lives. This is something Tony Parsons did point out ('we don't all ruin ourselves'), but sadly it seems not the tough love that George needed - and really should have given himself if no-one else was up to the job. He didn't choose to have people die and friends go rogue, but he absolutely chose how he dealt with it in the short term. The fact that he never got his * together long term owes a lot to the fact that he excused all of his dangerous behaviour as if it were inevitable. Which of course it wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 13911/01/2017

As big a fan I am of GM and his music, it must be said he was a little self-absorbed and liked to play the victim. A man with so many gifts , but used his bereavements as excuses for self-destruction and escapism of the worst kind.

by Anonymousreply 14011/01/2017

George Michael: Red Line, Radio 2, talking points review: A poignant picture of a deeply tormented individual

by Anonymousreply 14111/01/2017

George Michael admits Fadi Fawaz and Kenny Goss didn't compare to his first love

by Anonymousreply 14211/01/2017

Fans urge BBC Radio 2 to stop 'ruining' George Michael’s final interview by playing music

by Anonymousreply 14311/01/2017

George Michael breaks down in final interview as he remembers first love Anselmo Feleppa

by Anonymousreply 14411/01/2017

George Michael 'lonely' before coming out

by Anonymousreply 14511/01/2017

Well said ^. And one need only look at the arguments George had with journalists to see how deluded he was. He not only lied time and again aboyt the extent of his drug use, but branded antone who wuestioned his obsession with annonymous sex as homophobic. He refused to learn from any of his road incidents and kept banging on about when he'd been depressed and rahrah - despite never saying that an actual doctor had diagnosed him as being clinically depressed (and his references to Valium as an anti-depressant were very grating for many).

It would have been more honest on everyone's parts to not have had anyone doing any interview for any reason. The very little 'new' audio in the doco merely required scripting and recording. The bizaare radio portion merely consolidates GM's image as a once hugely talented artist who wrecked himself through preventable means, but who insisted until the end that people should see him as a tortured and tragic soul.

by Anonymousreply 14611/01/2017

And now the stupid, stupid Lovelies are contacting poor BBC2 blaming them for 'ruining' the now infamous interview with music.

Do they realise that DA produced the segment and that unless the estate handed over copy and or teproduction rights to the BBC (impossible), DA and the estate had sole discretion over how the material was presented?

by Anonymousreply 14711/01/2017

Think we can add Ms Young to the list of blinkered GM friends and associates. And there's no journalistic value in being *interviewed* by a friend FFS. Just more spin. And really, we've heard it all before...

This guy truly was his own worst enemy. The music is amazing (lol). Everything else really was such a load of lies. GM's only hope was getting on a heart transplant list. But you have to have been completely clean and a non smoker for 12-24 months before you can do that - length varying between countries. I doubt that ever happened - GM even went so far as to be drinking and smoking in public while in Switzerland when the press caught up with him.

by Anonymousreply 14811/01/2017

[R137] Is as Lovely as they come...

'The Kemps have their own lives and home. They would have to be living in George’s house 24 hours a day to know what is going on with his health.'

That's right folks! If your friend - who you've been close to since your teens - is in a rehab facility for over a year and sounds so bad even members of the public can tell something is wrong over internet postings of a radio segment, you'd have no clue anything was wrong now would you?

Only if you were dense. Or a Lovely.

by Anonymousreply 14911/01/2017

R149 Right on. Some of these Lovelies are so delusional. And R137 Andrew was in Monaco for a short period around the time WHAM ended. Then he tried his luck in movies in LA and after nothing worked moved back to England and released a solo record that flopped. Then he moved to Cornwall in England in the mid-1990s. He was loyal to George and a good friend. But unlike DA and to a lesser extent the Kemps, did not see George often. He has maintained a dignified silence and not atleast spoken lies like these two.

Not dissing the family or anything. Their loss of a brother and son is far bigger than what any of us fans feel. But does anybody understand why they would nix a tribute concert for GM. I think a number of his peers and the younger generation would have participated and fans would have also has closure.

by Anonymousreply 15011/02/2017

^correction: fans would have had closure

by Anonymousreply 15111/02/2017

As Keren Woodward said "Jesus To A Child" is one of the most beautiful songs written. GM was an exceptional songwriter-singer. Unfortunately he submerged himself under a cloud of smoke and drugs and ended destroying himself. He needed a strong kick up his backside from friends and family to shake him out of his self-destructive ways. But they indulged him and he indulged himself and ended up at age 53 sounding like an 80 yr old man and departing shortly afterwards.

by Anonymousreply 15211/02/2017

Agree ^. However, I was listening to some live recordings of the Symphonica tour today and GM sounded shockingly bad. Missed notes, pitch wabbly here and there and no breath control. And no, I'm not blaming 'flu. No wonder the released album was made largely from studio recordings if the whole tour sounded like this.

by Anonymousreply 15311/02/2017

^ where were these recordings? I’d like to hear them too.

by Anonymousreply 15411/02/2017

Was anyone at the post pneumonia symphonica concerts? I’m curious about how he sounded. The recordings of the Palais Garnier concert sounded great but winder about some of the others

by Anonymousreply 15511/02/2017

Good ol' YouTube has lots on offer. As fir the Palais Garnier gig - the 'official' version is terrific. The live, fan recordings sound very very different. Even allowing fir mobile phone balance levels it is not a good showing if most of the songs. Rufus Wainwright would not have been impressed by the butchering of Going to a Town. Sorry, but throughout the gig there are missing notes, shirty phrasing and some pretty pitchy moments. And this is from someone who never used to have any of these issues at all. Word at the time was that most of the 'official' Symphonica album ended up being studio takes. I'm not surprised.

by Anonymousreply 15611/02/2017

Why on earth is a George Michael thread named once again after Fadi Fawaz when nobody really cares where he is or what that stoned potato is doing atm.

George was just like all other addicts. He was the one who needed to make a change in his life and get serious about recovery. It's not as simple as you tell an addict to stop and they stop. You don't always know what they're getting or where from and addicts can be very resourceful in getting what they want.

If you have a serious addict in your life (been there done that) then you feel damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you decide to try 'tough love' and say "We don't have a friendship/relationship anymore until you get yourself sorted out.' you worry that perhaps you are abandoning them. If you stay with them however, you worry that you are 'enabling' them with it.

It's very limited what friends and family can do unfortunately. Yet they get the judgment for it when a celebrity is wrecking their own lives. When Amy Winehouse was on her downward spiral, all the pictures of her cut up, bleeding, looking emaciated and out of it in public, every day her family were probably asked 'Why don't you do something about it?' But they probably didn't know what to do in the situation. It's difficult enough to deal with in private. I can't begin to imagine what it's like when everything is public.

(I have to admit there may have been times I thought that way myself - why doesn't someone do something about all this? - before experiencing it personally for myself and realising how difficult it is. All the mental and emotional games that get played with you, which are really a result of the addiction.)

Elton John was able to survive it so he showed that it could be done and I'm sure he would've been very willing to help. But he got it thrown back in his face. Has to be said however, part of Elton's survival may have been pure luck - there were probably any number of times he could have died from an overdose. It took him 20 years before he felt able to turn it around.

I liked George very much but he tested my patience a few times and I felt frustrated he seemed to be wasting his talent instead of carrying the tradition of people like Freddie Mercury, Elton John, David Bowie etc.

The audio for the interview was terrible and I think they put all the background music in to try and hide the change in his voice. We won't ever get all the answers but he died like so many do all the time because he was an addict - that simple. I don't need to try and find other explanations or justifications for him just because I'm a fan.

by Anonymousreply 15711/02/2017

[149][150] I think you guys are so called Lovelies from the Kenny/ Fadi camp. Not everyone is going to agree with you, so you show your immaturity by calling people a Lovely. [150] was able to give some great speaking points on his/her opinion. While [149] is unable to articulate his/her opinion. Most of your posting from the last nine Fadi saga she have called individuals Lovelies as some form of insult because they do not agree with you point of view. The first sections of Fadi 10 was full of good conversation with no one resulting to calling people a Lovely.

However when the Mirror and other tabloids posting were presented, you started interact in the conversation telling one poster to leave. Really! This my go over your head, but some of the posters will have a clear understanding of what is being written here.

I already know you are going to write some small insult to hind behind the fact that is statement is true. I wish you well but I want to ask you a question. Do you own any music from GM?

Wait, let me answer my question first. I do own seven of his cd's which includes Wham. I have never heard the term Lovely until I enter this dissection board. I did not follow his personal live because I live in the states and he was barley covered here after 1998 incident. To be honest I had forgotten about him until the pneumonia incident which reintroduce me to GM. After reading some of these post and the interviews from last night I do feel bad for him, but to blame others for his mistakes is just wrong.

by Anonymousreply 15811/02/2017

I was actually amazed at how coherent and lucid he sounded. It makes sense he could hide the extent of his problems from friends and family if that's what happened. Yes, he spoke slowly and his voice has deepened, but I could see reduced lung function and years of smoking explaining that.

by Anonymousreply 15911/02/2017

R159 I had the same thoughts.

by Anonymousreply 16011/02/2017

R153 I was listening to some live recordings of the Symphonica tour today and GM sounded shockingly bad

only in post pneumonia symphonica concerts

by Anonymousreply 16111/02/2017

NME George Michael says he wasn’t allowed to live ‘full life’ in emotional final interview

by Anonymousreply 16211/02/2017

R159 while I don’t agree anymore that he was showing signs of brain damage, I do think that was the voice of a weak and unwell George. His voice was thin and off. More than smoking, less than brain damage.

by Anonymousreply 16311/02/2017

Thanks r161. I have seen mostly good symphonica stuff on YouTube and by fans phones so I was a bit perplexed by some of the comments that he sucked through it all. I thought he wasn’t so good at the olympics but was happy he could sing at all so soon after the pneumonia. I couldn’t figure out how the the tour a few weeks later would have been that good. But - I haven’t seen a bad Palais video. At the time there were stories he also cancelled not just for anxiety but that he was barely getting through those rescheduled concerts without significant steroid use for his vocal chords etc (which a lot of artists who perform a ton do use. But he was pushing it to the hilt. That said normal ageing has an effect. I don’t think he performed careless whisper for example in years.

by Anonymousreply 16411/02/2017

The Ayoub Sisters - Mother's Pride

by Anonymousreply 16511/02/2017

Do we know for a face (as opposed to spin) that the Olympics performance was not an excellent lip sync?

by Anonymousreply 16611/02/2017

*For a fact...

by Anonymousreply 16711/02/2017

I would say that if it was a lip sync, it was “not an excellent” one.

by Anonymousreply 16811/02/2017

He sang Freedom live but White Light performance was pre-recorded

by Anonymousreply 16911/02/2017

R161 I always thought that his audio (commentary) for the official Palais Garnier DVD release sounded off. Something just wasn't right there.

by Anonymousreply 17011/02/2017

R170 his audio (commentary) for the official Palais Garnier DVD release sounded off. Something just wasn't right there.

I felt the same about his voice-over in Palais Garnier DVD

by Anonymousreply 17111/02/2017

Well that pretty much covers 2011-2016 - something was indeed not right! ^

by Anonymousreply 17211/02/2017

When voice-over was recorded? 2013 or 2014?

by Anonymousreply 17311/02/2017

I was suspecting maybe brain injury after the documentary, but waiting to hear more of it. I think that's less likely now but all the same something not normal about it and they've tried to cover it by playing music over it (???)

People's voices change with age. But I actually think more than anything, he sounded like maybe on a lot of medication or a bit drunk... He was emotional too and that might have had an effect. At times I thought he also sounded short of breath?

He was still so affected and weighed upon by these personal and professional events that were tied together all these years later, it's quite sad. He sounded very depressive. He went from top place in the music business which he worked so hard to get to and then he just checked out in self sabotaging, self destructive manner. He was a man at so many odds with himself.

As for that narration on the concert, I think he may have been self conscious and nervous because he wasn't a professional narrator. He wanted to sound right. But he would've been better off using a more natural tone. It sounded like it was forced and he was reading it off a page. I noticed it but that's all I thought.

I just don't think he was ever really the same since the effects of the early to mid 90s and became distant from other people. Now and then there'd be flashes of the old George but he seemed kind of changed and in a lot of denial about his real situation.

(This thread is just so off topic it feels weird posting here......)

by Anonymousreply 17411/02/2017

This is a performance of Russian Roulette in Prague (Symphonica tour) in August 22, 2011. In the second half of the song he isn't able to sing practically at all. The audience was actually singing instead of him. I felt really bad for him, he was really struggling. That was pre pneumonia, right?

by Anonymousreply 17511/02/2017

And let's remember that it's going to be pretty difficult assessing someone's state of health from recordings that have been highly produced.

by Anonymousreply 17611/02/2017

I remember George's voice was already starting to diminish on his 25 Live Tour. I mean, he still sounded very good but he could not hit the high notes. For Careless Whisper, he would point the microphone to the audience for the high notes.

by Anonymousreply 17711/02/2017

Yup ^ I noticed this too. I have to say I'm a little over the constant rehashing by GM and team GM that he was all tortured and depressed and blahblah. He clearly never found anything to do with his life after Patience, but the constant 'poor me' campaign just went on and on and on and...

It's all a bit deliberate and self indulgent, too. As people have said, he was as addicted to 'depression' as he was to drugs and sex. He never, ever even tried to get clean. Ever. And instead of taking responsibility for the mess his life was - at any point - it was always someone else's fault - for dying, for going to the press, for this, for that. I'm no Kenny fan but clearly that was a two-way toxic relationship. GM was pretty nasty in outing Kenny's issues in public seemingly without his prior consent, but of course was not nearly so good - even at the end - to acknowledge he was equally to blame.

The GM image was of sad soul driven to inevitable self sabotage due to life events. Sorry, but I've worked with people - some in prominent positions within the media industry who have lived equally awful lives. People who have lost children, people who have had to fight cancer on and off for years, people who have been defrauded and lost everything. All of whom - after a period of self-building including proper therapy, managed to continue on and contribute to their families and workplaces. They didn't indulge in decades and hard drugs and escorts.

That radio interview was deliberately angled to generate the headlines it has - oh, poor George - what a sad life. And that's the image he wanted people to have - because it excused absolutely everything. Never mind the fact that he admitted all the Faith videos were made will he was on Ecstasy and that people such as Brad Branson remember GM being happily into drugs on the party scene long before Faith. Truth is - this was a guy with extraordinary musical talent who *ucked his life up single handedly.

by Anonymousreply 17811/02/2017

^ true. R178. I usually fall for it though. But sometimes I also think the reality is that most people have had and continue to have worse lives then George did even when you take into account losing his mother and Iover. We struggle massively and have to earn livings on top of grief etc. We just don’t all have the ability to be as self indulgent as he was. I don’t believe the drug addiction was a result of his sadness. He was right into drugs years before those two events. And he had enough money and power at a young age that he didn’t have to fear or listen to anybody. He took no one,s advice ever and was incredibly sanctimonious. Sometimes I just think he was a brat. The estate is definitely selling he pity story though. You’re right. Maybe this is why Andrew always said george was such a frustrating person.

by Anonymousreply 17911/02/2017

Let's not forget he was ill during Symphonica tour

by Anonymousreply 18011/02/2017

He was really ill he ended up in hospital

by Anonymousreply 18111/02/2017

On 26 October 2011, Michael cancelled a performance at London's Royal Albert Hall due to a viral infection.

by Anonymousreply 18211/02/2017

I have no words for how heartless & judgemental some people can be

by Anonymousreply 18311/02/2017

I have no words for how closed off to mature debate some people can be.

by Anonymousreply 18411/02/2017

R181 to r183. You (likely one poster) are not telling us anything new. His pneumonia was discussed as well as his change in voice pre and post. .

by Anonymousreply 18511/02/2017

I meant R180 to r182 ^ R183 pffft

by Anonymousreply 18611/02/2017

Funny how the people who are unable to tolerate those who can see multiple viewpoints are the quickest to call others “judgemental”.

by Anonymousreply 18711/02/2017

Quite ^. Think they haven't quite grasped the meaning of 'judgemental', either...

by Anonymousreply 18811/02/2017

I've always said - Elton went through a lot too, much the same, and came through it a survivor. Always hoped GM would do the same and held him accountable for his own actions. I'd switch off his interviews when he started all these lame self excuses. If I were Kenny I probably would've walked out sooner.

But the emotion in that final interview, to me that is very real. He had history of depression in the family. (Self medicating with drugs and alcohol though doesn't help in the long term. It just makes the lows even worse.)

When you're dealing with the struggles of an addict you go through your own phases of anger because of their senseless behavior. But towards end of my experience they just seemed pitiful and it's terrible because you know you're trying to deal with an enemy that is so much bigger than yourself and there's no match.

It's like Russell Brand once wrote on his site (he can be an idiot I know but sometimes he makes sense) not much you can do in the end except waiting for 'that phone call'. The one where the addict says they want to turn things around or the call that says that they haven't made it.

They are celebrities but they are also human and if fame and fortune were enough to make him happy, he would have been set.

His lifestyle is not to be followed but he also left behind a lot that was positive and admirable. I'm not a fan in denial because I've LIVED and been directly affected by a lot of this myself, but I think some of the negative opinion is real sour grapes by those who like to tear down public figures rather than look at themselves and what's going on in their own lives. This guy left a legacy and enjoyment for others that none the posters here can ever hope to aim for.

With his susceptibility to colds and illness on tour since the days of Wham he shouldn't have been such a heavy smoker. During 25 Live no surprise if he lost part of the upper range, that's fairly normal. When Whitney Houston was in her 30s she would often speak with a raspy voice in her interviews, but could still belt it out live for awhile. So I don't think we can really know for sure how he would've still sounded live.

I guess stay tuned for Part 2 next week!

by Anonymousreply 18911/02/2017

You lost me by the second last paragraph to be honest. They first half made lots of sense. I don’t see any sour grapes and “ tear down the celebrity” stuff going on in the posts you are likely referring to above. These people are writing with a sense of frustration and loss related to a beloved singer who spiraled down the drain before everyone’s eyes. There is bound to be a lot of interpretations of what happened to him and there is nothing wrong with that. And the truth probably contains a bit of everyone’s viewpoints. People are trying to make sense of it. Don’t put them or the lives you don’t know about down because you don’t agree. If it were what you described the sour grapes celebrity bashers would have moved on to someone else by now. It’s getting close to a year after his death and a difficult season. Grief takes on many forms. Let it.

by Anonymousreply 19011/02/2017

R189 who disputed his legacy of beautiful music???

by Anonymousreply 19111/02/2017

‘Very few of us knew the real Yog and what he had to endure and live with his whole life! no matter what you read or think you are wrong believe me!’

- Andros Georgiou

by Anonymousreply 19211/02/2017

What some folks say, says more about them really than it does about GM.

Nowadays everyone has an opinion despite not knowing the person at all really or being in the same situation, and they have to be vocal about it online.

Who are they? Nobodies really just trying to make some noise or get attention for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 19311/02/2017

Nah - that's just you, [R193].

by Anonymousreply 19411/02/2017

R192 quotes the guy who profited off him his whole adult life. What’s your point?

by Anonymousreply 19511/02/2017

^ and hadn’t talked to him for 18 years.

by Anonymousreply 19611/02/2017

Aside from the voice pecularities, there was at least one thing confirmed to me - there was verbal/emotional abuse as a child. Or what we would now call 'abuse'. I think it was downplayed previously or cut out of interviews.

As a parent, Jack probably has a few regrets now. But that's what he has to live with. I don't know if they ever honestly tried to talk about it as adults, or if Jack tried to make amends.

George was physically disciplined maybe once or twice but I personally don't think there were other kinds of abuse.

Not a saint but a guy who was still unable to talk about his lost partner more than 20 years later without crying and helped so many others on the quiet was not someone who only cared about his own gratification. I strongly disagree with that.

by Anonymousreply 19711/02/2017

Guys, you can't judge anybody before you walk in his shoes. I just want to point out that depression is a BITCH . Very hard to leave with it and there's no cure for it. I believe George suffered from depression from an early age through all his adult life. The bereavements just made it worse.

by Anonymousreply 19811/02/2017

The warning signs were always there but I think GM's final, and most damaging, downward spiral began with the prison stint. I think that destroyed him.

by Anonymousreply 19911/03/2017

I totally agree with poster 193....Nowadays f.i. comments on newspaper articles are for over 80 % containing absolute judgemental nonsense coming from people without any common sense@all.They just write down whatever is fed by their own frustration or jealousy!Pathetic really!IF GM lived only half of the LiFe some here are taking for real I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t even have reached the age of 53! To me he was(in my mind still is)an exceptionally talented but extremely sensitive human being with his mistakes&flaws who desperately craved and searched for a ”normal” LiFe.He tried to be a good,honest,generous and respectful person in the relatively short period he was here and that’s more than enough for me... Enough said!

by Anonymousreply 20011/03/2017

And for those who assume he was HIV positive, do you think he was at the time of his jailing? If so, how do you think he dealt with any probable disclosure of that to the prison authorities.

by Anonymousreply 20111/03/2017

My teacher friends often lament the lack of critical thinking skills the younger generations have at their disposal. That isn't usually an issue on DL as the majority of posters are enlightened individuals capable of arguments beyond polar extremes and binary opposition.

You can pick those lacking any sort of analytical skills easily here - poor summaries of other's posts, unable to engage with opinions other than their (shallow and uninformed) own, and a complete allergy to the simple idea that a talented pop star with a philanthropic bent could also have been a hedonistic drug and sex addict who manipulated his often false image his whole life so that people excused his every misdemeanor on the grounds that he was somehow more traumatised and depressed than the millions of everyday citizens who have also experienced grief and loss, but who didn't indulge in 20 years of drug fuelled parties and sexcapades.

Of course the headlines are now all about 'poor George' and the Lovelies impassioned about their tragic and depressed pop icon - this is exactly the intended reaction... Funny how much George was able to achieve in the immediate wake of Anselmo's death (a high profile law suit and a lovely album) versus years after his '90s run of awful luck.

This wasn't a guy who sat alone in his house sobbing over his losses for twenty years. Of course there were awful times. But the refusal to wake up to where the drugs in particular were all heading (interestingly there was never a public 'I'm hooked in a cycle of drug dependence because of my emotional issues' - quite the opposite) was quite ridiculous. He never even tried to get clean and get his career back on track after Patience (some say as far back as Older). The complete opposite.

Wonderful music. Wonderfully wasted life.

by Anonymousreply 20211/03/2017

Is [R201] being dumb or sarcastic. Or both both?

FYI [R201] George would not have needed to be tested for HIV before or during his jail stay in 2010.

by Anonymousreply 20311/03/2017

R203, but he would have to declare it, if already diagnosed, would he not?

by Anonymousreply 20411/03/2017

Nope ^. HIV is not a 'notifiable disease' in the UK.

Yup, plenty of diseases are - including STIs. The reasons for HIV being kept off are complex - but boil down to the fear that if it is listed as notifiable, fewer people will seek testing and medical management. Quite forward-thinking, really.

by Anonymousreply 20511/03/2017

Besides which George claimed not to have been tested in umpty million years.

by Anonymousreply 20611/03/2017

According to the comments in kenny’s Most recent Instagram post, george also lost his long term therapist on dec 23 or 24 in 1997. You have to sift through all the fangirl comments. Kenny has a conversation with some lady who I guess worked in the office - and who has a little much to say in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 20711/03/2017

Correction she is the wife of his therapist and he died 9 years to the day before George. The woman then says “draw your own conclusions from that”. Kenny converses with her so he seems to be legit. She even says she has all his records. I think this is a gross betrayal for this woman to speak about it at all. Disgusting. Someone will be paying her for a story soon and she will gladly accept.

by Anonymousreply 20811/03/2017

Hmm that's pretty off ^. Records like that are kept for seven years only where I am from - but who knows what went on in this instance.

Maybe she has something, maybe she doesn't. What she undoubtedly wants now though is a tabloid placement or hush money. So charming.

by Anonymousreply 20911/03/2017

A wonder the legal team weren't on this years ago. George clearly found another therapist or what have you as Kenny happily bleated in his Sun interview. So many dodgy characters.

by Anonymousreply 21011/03/2017

What a betrayal for this woman to interact with “fans”. I hope the legal team sees it and sends her a precautionary warning. “I have records and pictures” and some blather about how it should be known so “PhD students can study him” like what the actual fuck lady. And she also had the speech George gave at the doctors funeral taped!

by Anonymousreply 21111/03/2017

^ That lady is crazy... Students should study George? I hope the lawyers shut her up before it's too late.

by Anonymousreply 21211/03/2017

According to this woman he died 9-10 years ago so 2007 or 8. She says that “Kenny we both know”..,that his depression was poorly treated after the death of her husband /his therapist and kenny’s move from London. . so he sought out help from “friends” then spiraled downhill. As his support system was gone. But wasn’t he getting into heaps of trouble before that? She ends it “...there’s more...” I wish I could paste it or link it but I can’t. Just go to Kenny’s insta post with the pic of George and look at her comments.

by Anonymousreply 21311/03/2017

^ After this doc died 9 years ago and kenny exited London, his depression was poorly treated and he sought our other ways to fill the loss of his support structure why opened the door for... “self seeking friends filled the gap and controlled him which created a downward spiral ...and there’s more..”

Good god. Emotional control? Drugs? Blackmail?

by Anonymousreply 21411/03/2017

“They sapped the lifeblood out of him...even Michael Lippman, his greatest manager ever, was sidelined...and there’s more...”

by Anonymousreply 21511/03/2017

Sorry for being a serial poster this morning guys. This got under my skin I guess. Anyway - last post. And promise I’m not a kenny fangirl. I skim by his insta once in a while to see if he comments on bigger george news.

by Anonymousreply 21611/03/2017

This is so sad. do you have screenshots?

by Anonymousreply 21711/03/2017

[quote] I have all the records, and many unseen photographs, here in store. It is my belief that a truer more realistic complete picture needs to be addressed for an honest biography or future PhD students to study the life of this extraordinary man.

😨😱😰

Zip it woman!

by Anonymousreply 21811/03/2017

Jane Eva the w*ore from Instagram BE CAREFUL

by Anonymousreply 21911/03/2017

Fadi Fawaz considers Christmas single in tribute to ex George Michael

by Anonymousreply 22011/03/2017

R 219. She’s legit. Crazy. But legit.

by Anonymousreply 22111/03/2017

I don’t know how to screen shot it but it’s all there still in the comments. A sad betrayal by the wife of a deceased doctor.

by Anonymousreply 22211/03/2017

I have screenshots but don't know how to post them here...

by Anonymousreply 22311/03/2017

[quote]janeevacooper@kenny_goss Oh Kenny darling, I loved this story and can ‘hear’ his self-deprecating humour. So many stories to tell not out there yet in a public space; the hours and hours spent in the office here with his tears and laughter booming forth from Barrie’s office. As you know George was under BC’s care from his earliest years and latterly many many hours were spent here. When I hear him quoted I still hear ‘the voice of Barrie’ - it’s resonants with me and I smile. On my to do list is to actually work out how many hours George had under therapy (hundreds +) and I have all the records, and many unseen photographs, here in store. It is my belief that a truer more realistic complete picture needs to be addressed for an honest biography or future PhD students to study the life of this extraordinary man. Please do NOT watch documentary; it will only disappoint as it is only about and for puffed up egos trying to hold to the coat tails of his musical legacy. xxx

[quote]janeevacooper@kenny_goss Did you know that I have that on tape. The funereal directors made a recording of the whole funeral and I have a copy here for you if you would like it.

[quote]janeevacooper@laurieinqueens How wise of you to realise that it was not representative of the George I, and Kenny of course, personally knew. George was a very complex character and having someone try to act on behalf of him couldn't possibly work. It was a sham performance of the real private man. In case you are wondering where I fit into this story (as I haven't raised my head above the parapet, so to speak until now) my late husband was his Psychiatrist/Doctor from his early days in Wham until he died. Barrie died nine years before George. Some may draw their own conclusions from that.

[quote]janeevacooper@janeevacooper Kenny we know the reality was not portrayed accurately and we also know (along with a few others) that when Dr Cooper died (aka - Barrie to me - (Barrington) and then you left London that George's life plummeted into a downward spiral of poorly treated depression etc and the adverse affect of his support structures no longer being available and this left a gap for self-seeking so called friends to 'control' his life sapping the life blood out of him. Even Michael Lippman, his greatest manager ever has been sidelined. . . . . and there is more . . . I love you Kenny. xx

by Anonymousreply 22411/03/2017

This sounds like she’s getting ready to strike. The first post is especially creepy record and unseen photos “here in store” like wtf is she thinking.

Even the crazy kenny fans aren’t engaging with her.

This is one where I hope the estate shuts her down hard. It’s too much of a betrayal. Those records should always be confidential. After the 7 years or whatever are up can they just be talked about or sold to the highest bidder or made into a book?

by Anonymousreply 22511/03/2017

[178][179] You guys hit this out the park. After watching Freedom Doc and the Sony case, he sound like a spoil brat. He also change potion of his life to make him a victim. He was stronger as a young man compare to the older him. I still like his music expect for Patience Elton was right about that album.

by Anonymousreply 22611/03/2017

Kenny the drama queen had to somehow draw attention to himself after the Freedom docu and LWP re-release in which he had no part. How unprofessional this psychiatrist's wife is. Was this the guy who was counselling George and after his LA arrest in 1998, GM said he had never spoken to him about his cruising? World of good Kenny and this doc did to George's life which was going downhill long before these so-called controlling friends finished him off.

by Anonymousreply 22711/03/2017

Why is Kenny interacting with this woman about George's problems. I guess they are blackmailing the family for money. This is so sad.

by Anonymousreply 22811/03/2017

That Kenny will do anything and interact with anybody to create this "love of my life" false life story. He is no better than Fadi. That guy is crude in his ways and this Texan snake oil salesman does it in a smooth and slimy manner.

by Anonymousreply 22911/03/2017

Stag and company were in George’s life from 2004. Elton knew he was drugging it big time with people like him by then. Public drunkenness and car stuff was around 2006. So yeah there is some revisionist history going on. The doctors wife is vile. Kenny should delete those posts. I figured he would since she backhandedly blamed him in part for the downward spiral when he moved away from London in 2008./9. And if he did officially move and not be a support system as she says - leaving GM to his own devices, what did he expect was left of a relationship by 2011 when he claims they broke up while George thought it was 2009?

by Anonymousreply 23011/03/2017

Please no Kenny talk since this thread have been Kenny free. No re-harshing the time line of this once relationship, let's all move on from it.

by Anonymousreply 23111/03/2017

Fears for George Michael dumped by gay lover Kenny Goss, become drug taking hermit

by Anonymousreply 23211/03/2017

[quote]Kenny was his truth. And I'm sick to death of pretending otherwise.

What does that mean?

by Anonymousreply 23311/03/2017

Some details about this year's John Lewis Christmas ad have been leaked

The soundtrack will honour George Michael.

by Anonymousreply 23411/03/2017

R231. It’s not really. It’s about the sleaze bag celebrity doctor wife.

by Anonymousreply 23511/03/2017

R233. I suspect she’s a bit of a drinker.

by Anonymousreply 23611/03/2017

Any activity around the Regent Park house? With fadi apparently gone I’m wondering if movers are cleaners or something have come through. I’m surprised there hasn’t been a tabloid stationed by the gate. How about his other houses anything up for sale? Sydney? Listings? Etc.

by Anonymousreply 23711/03/2017

Next week GM is supposed to discuss his hopes and plans for the future. I find it difficult to imagine how it could have been done, after everything that happened.

He did not look or sound in good condition, despite attempts to conceal it from public. But he may have had hopes to somehow pull himself together. (I don't think that gets any easier as you get older and you've allowed yourself to get out of shape. Madonna maintains herself at all times, whether or not she's touring. She's done that since her 20s because she has to work hard as a performer. Others with greater natural gifts ended up taking theirs for granted and losing them.)

In live reviews of recent years, there weren't bad notices about his voice, even if critics found fault with other parts of his show. The show was no longer as athletic but he was using arrangements that left his voice quite exposed.

Any performer can have a bad night here or there if they're on the road a lot. I went to see a middle aged female singer 10 years ago and thought her voice was no longer much good at all. But then I saw her again 2 years ago and she sounded much better. Apparently first time I saw her she was suffering from a cold (maybe something was also wrong with the sound). I'm glad it didn't put me off from going to see her again.

If GM had tried again though and it had been a debacle it would have been the worst, given his usual high standards. I think I would have preferred not to see that at all. Difficult to know exactly what concept it may have been because he didn't always do what was expected of him, though he may have been considering a move back to a more commercial direction.

by Anonymousreply 23811/03/2017

George cannot possibly have thougt he would tour again are you kidding? This is yet more spin convincing people that all was well.

As the less delusional among us have pointed out, the guy needed a heart transplant to survive. Dubious whether he would have made the drug and smoking clean for 12 -18 months criteria, and with a bad liver and morbid obesity it's so unlikely he would have made a list let alone been considered a good candidate and a low surgical risk.

Let's try not to get sucked in by the BS. Again. And again..

by Anonymousreply 23911/03/2017

Not sure if it's been discussed here already. But are there any plans to reopen George Michael Forums ? Why is it even down ? I've always wondered who funded this forum. It was there for a long time.

It's like a deja vu to the time George shut down his website fan forum.

by Anonymousreply 24011/04/2017

R240 I believe personally The legal team went at them for something or other. I’ve mentioned that before and people have rushed to say that’s not possible but there are about 14 years work if images and posts etc on there. It will either open completely cleansed of many things or it’s just done. Other people have posted stuff about there being a big fight between the moderator and some others about kenny goss or something. I never saw that myself. I liked that forum for a while but found lots of people were unable or unwilling to handle the full picture out there - it was pretty PG rated and we know his life wasn’t in the later years. Any posts with different opinions or mentions of the less savoury aspects of gm’s lifestyle (and not even criticisms) got jumped on like sharks on chum. That resulted in people recycling the same stuff over and over cause there were limiters about what many of them could handle. A lot of Pollyannas on that forum. There was a lot of groupthink going on there. I prefer to talk about anything out there and still love GM and his music just the same. That being said it was nice having somewhere to go like that when you wanted to learn about things that were Going on the GM.

by Anonymousreply 24111/04/2017

*going on with GM news wise.

by Anonymousreply 24211/04/2017

And I think the above was more occurring with the influx of some newer members (not all newer members though).

by Anonymousreply 24311/04/2017

All we have are very general medical terms to describe his condition and we don't know the treatment he was receiving for anything.

Therefore we cannot know his prognosis and it was common for him to go years without touring or talking to media then do another round.

There are performers who tour unadvisedly and with chronic health conditions, who end up pushing themselves too hard. Michael Jackson's final tour was something that shouldn't even have been considered. People who were close to Elvis said they were very concerned about his health and that he needed a long break from performing to recover and get back in shape, but he needed the money from gigs so he kept going and delaying getting the treatment he needed.

In Edith Piaf's final performance, she had to be assisted up to the microphone to sing because she was physically handicapped but she could still sing.

Marlene Dietrich performed with Buerger's disease and wounds in her legs when she really should haven been in hospital. She just bandaged everything under her costume and kept taking antibiotics. Sarah Vaughan kept going nearly up to the end even with lung cancer. Audiences couldn't tell but backstage she was seen short of breath and wheezing terribly, relying on an oxygen tank.

Prince shouldn't have been on the road either and he didn't need the money but I guess that's all he had in his life.

GM too would keep performing in awful pain sometimes, which he suffered on and off. Once concerts are set up, you don't like to disappoint people.

People can die at relatively young age quite suddenly and unexpectedly, with few warning symptoms, and it is found that they actually had quite serious heart issues not detected previously. I know I'm at risk so I'm already taking precautions.

Some real know it alls here who know nothing of his real circumstances, were nowhere around him, but like to think they know everything. He was a complex person but the picture they want is a black and white one of somebody they say was totally fake and cared only about himself. That everything he did or said was only about himself and everything else dismissed out of hand. That's such an unfair insult and judgement to make about anyone and I don't understand that kind of blanket hate and negativity for someone you don't even know but apparently that's the only thought allowed here. I feel bad for anyone who feels like that in the end and wants to think the worst about everyone.

Some fans are in denial sure but not all. Many are aware of the flaws but if you defend him in any way here you get trounced on and called a delusional 'stan'. Extreme opposite end of places where they only want adoration and you can't have a real discussion about any other side of who he really was.

And been going on part 11 now of fairly pointless discussion going in circles by bunch of nobodies. I'm reminded why I usually avoid 'fan' discussions and rarely in it now. Moving on...

by Anonymousreply 24411/04/2017

*Edith's final performances* I don't know exactly what happened at her last but she had many serious ailments.

by Anonymousreply 24511/04/2017

[R244] The reason god invented the Ignore button.

What a *ickhead.

by Anonymousreply 24611/04/2017

Nobody hates drugs more than I do. Nobody, because I've seen what they do and the cost.

However, I can have some compassion and recognize the good points of the human being underneath.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Because his music will always be remembered and continue to impact people. Even if not uptight American rednecks, and who needs them?

by Anonymousreply 24711/05/2017

Test time r247 and r244 Find the posts that prove in your essay that people are not recognizing good points of him. Is it just cause they didn’t right a 2000 word essay like you did to include them their posts?:

“However, I can have some compassion and recognize the good points of the human being underneath.”

You are in fact being critical and judgemental of people who are trying to make sense of a complex man and you just don’t like viewpoints that differ from yours. You calling others nobody’s and making derogatory remarks about America (I am not one btw but can’t stand predjudice) betray you as the judgemental, rude person you are completely void of compassion for anyone but people who subscribe to your narrow views of the world. Take a look at yourself before condemning others who see shades of grey vs only your black and white views of the world. I suspect you may not have the capacity to do so if you are an adult writing the things you did.

by Anonymousreply 24811/05/2017

Harry Hall‏ @harrygeorgehall Nov 3 Celebrating the @GeorgeMichael album going to number one! So excited to reveal more soon... #lwp #ThisIsMyFreedom

You can see GM's dad Jack in the photo attached in the tweet

by Anonymousreply 24911/05/2017

Listen Without Prejudice / MTV Unplugged did well on the US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard).number 22

by Anonymousreply 25011/05/2017

George Michael LWP in US:

#41 in Billboard 200 w/ 12,000 album units earned: #14 on Top Album Sales; #22 on Top R&B/HipHop Albums (new high).

by Anonymousreply 25111/05/2017

REMEMBERING AN ICON The X Factor will pay tribute to George Michael next weekend

by Anonymousreply 25211/05/2017

Wham! star Andrew Ridgeley and Bananarama’s Keren Woodward break up

BANANARAMA singer Keren Woodward has revealed she has split from her Wham! star partner Andrew Ridgeley after 27 years together.

by Anonymousreply 25311/05/2017

Ummmm. They broke up ages ago. Old news.

by Anonymousreply 25411/05/2017

^ they were back together

by Anonymousreply 25511/05/2017

For a particularly intelligent person, I have to say George made some dubious connections in the medico (pseudo-medico) industry...

The therapist mentioned upthread may have died suddenly (who knows), but his wife should never have had access to patient medical records at any point in time - whether he was alive or not. There are some pretty strict rules around patient confidentiality and they don't include receptionists/PAs being able to access the contents of conversations between a treating doctor and a patient. There are also conflict of interest protocols around shared information...

It's none of my business, but the terms therapist, psychologist, counsellor and psychiatrist really should not be used interchangably. A psychiatrist's role is based largely around medical management - not counselling and behavioural psychology. The role of any treating person in these roles is to establish a management plan which does not leave the patient entirely reliant on the treating person long term. So I'd love to know what this guy was actually practising and how. Add in the osteopath (on occupation not regarded as medically sound enough to be covered under any healthcare scheme where I am from) and lord know who else, and I'd say George would have been better with entirely different medical staff - ie real ones,

by Anonymousreply 25611/05/2017

R255. This second breakup is old news. It happened a while ago and Keren said that in the pre tour interviews with bananarama. The only knew thing is Andrew publicly confirming it. Just because the mirror wrist says “I can reveal@ doesn’t mean it’s new news. Breakup #2 was in the news daily mail months ago. Also Keren did not accompany Andrew, nor was she present at all , at George’s funeral.

by Anonymousreply 25711/05/2017

Jane Eva such a nasty woman! Someone please pay her off to go away!

by Anonymousreply 25811/05/2017

[R258] Not pay but sue her and every party that are part taking in this discussion.

by Anonymousreply 25911/05/2017

Now this is interesting!

Guess who was in Australia at the same time as Fadi, in the very same place?

David "scissor hands" Austin.

by Anonymousreply 26011/06/2017

^proof??

by Anonymousreply 26111/06/2017

Idk why but I don't trust David. Never have. Why does he even stay at G's highgate place ? For some reason the lovelys adore him , but then again many of them are innocent and clueless.

by Anonymousreply 26211/06/2017

R261 - How do I post pics on here?

I have a mutual friend on FB with the person who was also with them. (Look on DA's FB profile for someone with the initials LJ and you'll find it).

Kieran Smyth has also commented on the pics.

They seem to be quite the clique..

by Anonymousreply 26311/06/2017

R263 Do you mean Lisa Johnson, the tour manager? Lisa was the Assistant Tour Director of GM's Symphonica tour. She is based in London but has worked with DA. In fact, Lisa shares producer credit with David on the Freedom Documentary.

[quote]Produced by Sony Music Entertainment UK and commissioned by Jonny Rothery, George Michael: Freedom was directed by George Michael and David Austin, produced by Lisa Johnson and David Austin. David Austin also serves as executive producer.[/quote]

Looks like DA was in Sydney, Australia with Lisa on Oct 19. Freedom was shown in Australia on Oct 25. So they may be doing the press tour to drum up the docu in Australia. Pepsi-hl Demacque-Crockett and Kieran were among those who commented

Fadi posted on FB that he landed in Sydney on Oct 14, and his next post was that he is at his mum on Oct 21, which is presumably in Brisbane

They may be in the same city, but not proof that FF and DA saw each other while they were there. But who knows? Fadi is friends on FB with both Lisa and David

by Anonymousreply 26411/06/2017

R262 is David living at highgate????

by Anonymousreply 26511/06/2017

How lovely of David to be Facebook friends with kierrn the druggie escort of George’s.

What were the comments he made on his Facebook?

by Anonymousreply 26611/06/2017

David “Quick fadi! Hide the ghb before calling the ambulance!” Austin.

All the enablers in Australia together.

by Anonymousreply 26711/06/2017

R263. I don’t have Facebook anymore. What comments were made on the pics? What makes them seem like quite the clique? Would love to know.

by Anonymousreply 26811/06/2017

[quote]Fadi is in Australia, but where is he now?

IN AUSTRALIA, YOU MAD BINT.

by Anonymousreply 26911/06/2017

R268 Here are the comments on the post. Note that only Lisa commented, and not David.

by Anonymousreply 27011/06/2017

R262. I don’t think he is trustworthy.

by Anonymousreply 27111/06/2017

Who do you think is trustworthy ?

by Anonymousreply 27211/06/2017

R272 ??! Huh?

by Anonymousreply 27311/06/2017

I mean from Georges inner circle ?

by Anonymousreply 27411/06/2017

R267 ...... All enablers..... They were and still are profiting from George

by Anonymousreply 27511/06/2017

I trust David far more then I trust Kenny. I see his fans are upset because Kenny (who did not watch the doc) has not been able to rich off of George. I still believe he was the who tip of the police and press about George In Beverly Hills. He was the only who benefited from the press.

by Anonymousreply 27611/06/2017

R267 yup. Users who will squeeze every last bit they can. I really wonder wtf with David to if he is still associating with the likes of that Kieran. He was probably into the same drugging as GM and the escort.

Were there ever any sightings of Kieran at highgate post 2012 once the rest of the tour got cancelled? I saw that instead of “with George” because he was barely seen but I know some friends etc were still in and out of highgate. Just wondering if Kieran was around in some capacity in later times like fadi. I know Paul stag said he started being around George and dealing to him from 2004 but that somewhere around 2013 it stopped.

by Anonymousreply 27711/06/2017

^there were pics and posts by Keiran from London in 2013. After that it stopped. Looks like David Austin is loving the attention that he is getting now that he has moved to the foreground and is not just hanging around behind GM serving tea. His CD of the 25Live gigs was very mediocre and he is a guy who has lived off George by hanging around him for decades.

Now the sisters have let him to run the show with the title of George's Manager and head of the creative team and the guy likes all the attention. I am sure there will be some new tracks released. David spoke about 3-4 amazing new tracks during the interviews for the Freedom docu. Dont know if they are really amazing or they were even properly finished. But David will make sure they are released so he can stay relevant and have work for the foreseeable future. It was so-called friends like him who hung around enabling George as he circled the drain and they will continue to benefit from him as long as possible. With friends like this you dont need enemies

by Anonymousreply 27811/06/2017

The X Factor: 'He is a true legend of the music industry' Contestants will pay homage to the late George Michael in a themed live show next weekend

by Anonymousreply 27911/06/2017

Nile Rodgers had chilling premonition two days before George Michael's death, but admits it was 'too emotional' to share

by Anonymousreply 28011/06/2017

Harry Styles is going to sing a GM tribute on the XF this week, as he is busy prancing with rainbow flags at all his gigs and telling gay people he loves them all.

We don't know the song yet. Styles hasn't got a tenth of GM's range so let's hope he doesn't try one of the stripped back classics like A Different Corner.

Styles has 'never gonna' tattooed on one foot and 'dance again' on the other, so maybe he'll try to sing Careless Whisper.

by Anonymousreply 28111/06/2017

That’s a weird thing for a guy to tattoo if he knew George. Were they ever a thing ?

by Anonymousreply 28211/06/2017

Has everyone seen this from Nike on good day New York? 8:20 is about where talk of GM starts but 10:30 onwards is quite interesting as he gets into what he thinks happened.

by Anonymousreply 28311/06/2017

Nile. Lol autocorrect fail.

by Anonymousreply 28411/06/2017

R283 Old interview. Nile Rodgers runs off his mouth a little bit too much. It was not as if he knew George all his life or anything. He met him once when they performed with Stevie Wonder for the VH1 Special in the late 1990s. Then he was commissioned by George to remix that Fantasy song and he did not even meet him. Just spoke over the phone. If you listen to Nile you would think he was instrumental in building David Bowie and everybody else's career and he was bosom pals with all the legends

by Anonymousreply 28511/06/2017

I know it’s old. I was referring not to the stuff you said but the part where he speaks of what he heard of his cause of death.

by Anonymousreply 28611/06/2017

I just don't think a lot of Americans get it. After the Faith LP, GM hardly existed for them but now they remember it because he's died and they think 'What happened?'

Meanwhile, other places of the world we still got the news and we got used to it, we knew about his lifestyle. The good and bad. We still saw him as a good artist and performer, even if not a very busy one in the last 25 years.

It happens everywhere but I think most than usual in America that people get hung up on the personal lives of celebrities. Religious and political issues are more sensitive. There's also good in the country and I'm American background myself. It produced most of the great music that GM was inspired by. I know that in the UK there was also a lot of intrusion and gossip about his personal life but we just got used to it and he still had fanbase. The American audiences trying to catch up on it 25 years later I think are struggling with it and hence there are divided attitudes, different theories etc. But it's getting kinda old now and just going in circles.

by Anonymousreply 28711/06/2017

R277 - Any guesses as to when Kieran's "Mr Hands" pic of George was taken? I'd guess at late 2013/2014. GM really doesn't look well in it at all, there's some strange lumps on his face and his nose looks very swollen (could it be just after the motorway incident?)

by Anonymousreply 28811/06/2017

R288 One can hardly see how he's looking on that pic. His hand is covering his face for the most part...

by Anonymousreply 28911/07/2017

R288, only his mouth is covered, hardly most of his face. You can easily see that he is not in the best of health.

by Anonymousreply 29011/07/2017

R287. Ok. Remedial class since despite you saying things are going in circles and a documentary and interview, you don’t seem to understand the crux of what happened. I lived in America during this the time as a GM fan so let me explain - Sony was pissed. Sony didn’t promote LWP. By the time the trial was done, good luck as an American finding ANY GM CD in any record store anywhere for years.if u didn’t know about the trial as many didn’t (remember no internet) since it wasn’t front page news it just looked like he faded to obscurity. By the time the bathroom incident hit the news years later in 1997 or 8 it was like oh! So that’s what happened to that guy. Huh. Weirdo!. His career was already dead in the USA. Sony made sure of it. They choked off all distributions to a trickle through most of the 90s while they had him, not just LWP. The bathroom incident was a pile on that drove the nail in the coffin of any hope of a restart and the stigma was as much about “lewd behaviour “ as people didn’t understand that and in America lewd equals perverted basically - and his side of the story was not nearly as publicized unless you actually saw the interview. . Also his many run ins with the law afterwards rarely if ever , made the news in America - because he was already done and nothing was ever given significant air play. If any of the arrests and drugs in the bathrooms did hit the news there, it was basically what people thought he did for a living now vs make hits. GM even clarified the situation to exactly this in earlier interviews. . So sick of posters like you and your thinly veiled anti-American sentiment droning on. I’m not even American and it pissed me off. But unlike you, I actually lived there through the 90s early 200’s.

by Anonymousreply 29111/07/2017

R277 r288. Where can I find the picture? I have never seen it. Please post link or tell me where to go to see it?

by Anonymousreply 29211/07/2017

R288 r289 r290 where is the pic?

by Anonymousreply 29311/07/2017

^Go and check Keiran's FB page. From the hair style and what we can see of the moustache this is in 2011/2012

by Anonymousreply 29411/07/2017

^ ugh I no longer have Facebook but I would not think it was 2013 or later either. I think there was a bit of ax sweep out of some of these people after the M1. If for no other reason at least because he was no longer able to keep up with the hedonistic lifestyle after being injured.

One other question about the pic - did he recently post it? Was there a “rimekibe@ date to it?

by Anonymousreply 29511/07/2017

*timeline date

by Anonymousreply 29611/07/2017

^He posted it on Dec 27 2016 shortly after George passed away

by Anonymousreply 29711/07/2017

Not at all an apologist for Fadi, Kenny and all the rest, but am wondering where the criticism of David Austin's current activity is coming from. I have no time for the man, and clearly he was well in with the crazy entourage GM had with him for much of 2004-2012/13, but he's hardly running around town blowing his own trumpet right now.

The documentary had to be completed and I'm sure GM left most of it unfinished (despite the stories) so someone had to do something about it. DA appeared in the film (hardly surprising) and did one press conference. As for the 'Manager' moniker - GM did have a few at one point and one was given the heave ho in 2009. Role descriptions often appeared a little murky at GM HQ.

We can all agree GM's *friends* added little positive value to his life, but none of them cropped up out of nowhere - these are the people a talented and supposedly intelligent person chose to surround himself with. One wonders if Kenny was actually seen much after the 'gang' moved in. If he really wasn't into the hard drugs and rampant sex he must have spent a lot of time being sidelined. Personally I would have headed off long before he did, but maybe he was paid enough to stay. You actually kind of hope he never saw any future in the *relationship* because it was clearly doomed.

by Anonymousreply 29811/07/2017

R298 “ clearly he was well in with the crazy entourage GM had with him for much of 2004-2012/13,”

You said why yourself David was the one closest to him through the entirety of those bad years so....

by Anonymousreply 29911/07/2017

Huh? Is that a sentence? ^

And anyway, my question was about what DA has done RECENTLY to spark the current hatred. We're all aware of his historical involvement with the kool kids.

by Anonymousreply 30011/07/2017

Keiran Smyth December 27, 2016

Me showing George 'Mr Hands"

by Anonymousreply 30111/07/2017

Keiran's comment on the Mr. Hands pic

by Anonymousreply 30211/07/2017

R298 I think the criticism of David Austin comes from his recent statements -- which comes off as hard to believe (at best) and outright lies (at worst) such as

[quote]“A man who was getting up to go to work seven days to work on his film and record music and going to have dinner in restaurants five nights a week is hardly a recluse.”

[quote]“George was always super happy creating. He lived a full life, happy with his work, his friends, his creativity.”

by Anonymousreply 30311/07/2017

R300 It was not really a full sentence since part of it was a quote from one of your long winded diatribes. Read the threads perhaps. No one is interested in regurgitating a zillion posts for you, buttercup.

by Anonymousreply 30411/07/2017

R301. He does look bad though I agree with an earlier post it was likely pre 2013. It almost looks like he just had his Botox etc redone on his forehead/from lines with the red dots and swelling. I wonder where they were in that picture.

by Anonymousreply 30511/07/2017

I don’t get what was going on in that pic of him from keiran

by Anonymousreply 30611/07/2017

Kieran was having a wank.

by Anonymousreply 30711/07/2017

Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 30811/07/2017

He just looks like he’s laughing hard in that pic

by Anonymousreply 30911/07/2017

^ While watching a “tender moment between a man and his horse”.

by Anonymousreply 31011/07/2017

I know what the family put out to the media about the porns shot at his house while he and fadi were away but does anyone think maybe George knew and went along with it in the midst of his hedonistic and drug induced haze? Assuming Kieran was involved somehow too.

by Anonymousreply 31111/07/2017

R301 R302 R270 R288 R263 You need a fucking restraining order.. the amount of stalking you do

R311 maybe George knew and went along with it

Bitch please

by Anonymousreply 31211/07/2017

Alas poor [R304] is not only illiterate ('it wasn't really a sentence') but also clearly a blow in.

Did the kids not get their forum/playground back yet?

by Anonymousreply 31311/07/2017

Angry boy is back!

by Anonymousreply 31411/07/2017

R313 I expected a better comeback than that. I still managed to own you. Haha.

by Anonymousreply 31511/07/2017

R313 Their playground is still closed so you have R312 throwing a diva fit

R312 ... you do realize that those are posts made by DIFFERENT people, right? We on DL love to combine our conjectures and gossips with real hard facts. If we have to go to their FB or Twitter accounts -- even on protected accounts (we're looking at you, Alex!), then so be it. Have you seen the tax records of Kenny's foundation posted on here? That might give you a heart attack.

We call all these "research." Stalking is not a nice word, you see.

It's more fun that way, don't ya think honey?

by Anonymousreply 31611/07/2017

GM put on weight in the 21st century and if his face looks bloated or swollen that will be the reason, rather than cosmetic surgery. He never gained enough to be obese or for it to affect his health, although people on here will have you believe his weight gain was the death of him.

by Anonymousreply 31711/07/2017

Yeah ^... That pic from Sept 2016 was of a man in optimal health...

Bye bye, Lovely. Back to petitioning for your playground to be restored...

by Anonymousreply 31811/07/2017

Anyone else listening to the second part of the interview on Radio 2 right now?

Thoughts?

Mine is he announced he was pos in the interview and it's been edited out at the request of his family. There's probably been months of legal wranglings going on prior to this being aired.

by Anonymousreply 31911/08/2017

To hear him cry broke my heart 💔

by Anonymousreply 32011/08/2017

I don't think so. I'm not sure who you think the legal wranglings were with. The George Michael estate owned the recording of the interview and it was produced and edited by David Austin who is working on their behalf and now named as the manager. The BBC are probably grateful to be able to air it at all.

by Anonymousreply 32111/08/2017

It seems like he did not know he was dying?

by Anonymousreply 32211/08/2017

[R322]Seems like he didn't ..I'm so confused now.

by Anonymousreply 32311/08/2017

Heavily edited. I missed the first 15 minutes. Did he cry again about anselmo like the last interview? Did anyone record the interview I’d like to catch what I missed.

by Anonymousreply 32411/08/2017

R323. Remember hewassoing an interview. He also hid his depression from others many times in his life. Also how can he really say his problems with drugs were not that spectacular.

by Anonymousreply 32511/08/2017

R324 Heavily edited

Yes

by Anonymousreply 32611/08/2017

What is hewassoing ?

by Anonymousreply 32711/08/2017

R325 (me) that autocorrect fail was supposed to have said “he was in an interview” sorry!

by Anonymousreply 32811/08/2017

I thought the Linda Evangelista comment was funny. I guess he was implying that he tried to get somewhere with him while both drunk. Or perhaps there was some drunken fumbling around despite him being gay. He always loved the beautiful girls so with enough booze maybe, but I guess even Linda , who he thought was the most gorgeous of all, couldn’t turn him lol.

by Anonymousreply 32911/08/2017

^””she” tried - not he tried.

by Anonymousreply 33011/08/2017

Can someone post the interview like last week?

by Anonymousreply 33111/08/2017

As fan I believe we should have the right to watch and listen to the original Freedom documentary and the last interview not montages done by David

by Anonymousreply 33211/08/2017

Tonight was definitely a “montage”

by Anonymousreply 33311/08/2017

[R325] He must be a good liar then. Been suffering from a clinical depression myself and as much as I hide my depression I can't be an optimist about myself . And right..about the drugs :/ . Seems like he didn't know he was gravely ill like we suspected here, so it brings me back to the toxicology report.

We'll never know....

by Anonymousreply 33411/08/2017

i call bullsh*t that he did not know he was gravely ill. most of you thought he was going to reveal his health status must be greatly disappointed. besides why would he discuss the extent of his health publicly.

by Anonymousreply 33511/08/2017

Again. It was an interview - a heavily edited interview. People reveal what they want to in those. The purpose was to promote LWP and his career. As a longtime fan of his music I can tell you he ended more than a few interviews saying he was working on something big, about to do something big, putting the finishing touches on something big since about 2009.

by Anonymousreply 33611/08/2017

TO LISTEN (remove the space)

chirb.it/MmgBpG soundcloud.com/georgemichaelupload/george-michael-the-red-line-part-2-on-bbc-radio-2

Download link below - let me know if it works

by Anonymousreply 33711/08/2017

[R329] My thoughts exactly! Maybe we'll hear Linda's side someday ...

by Anonymousreply 33811/08/2017

Agreed. Heavily edited.

I've never bought into the pos theories posted on this thread but after hearing this interview I've changed my mind. I'm with [R319] on this.

Did anyone else think his voice sounded better on this installment? He didn't seem out of breath, unless these were cut out.

[R336] My take was that he expected something spectacular to come out of "this period of downtime" not that he was necessarily working on anything.

Unfortunately the delusion surrounding drug use ("my battles have never been extreme") threw the entire interview into question as to what is true for Georgios Panayiotou and what is true for George Michael.

by Anonymousreply 33911/08/2017

R339 My take was that he expected something spectacular to come out of "this period of downtime" not that he was necessarily working on anything.

I agree

by Anonymousreply 34011/08/2017

Check out Sony Music reshooting the 'Listen Without Prejudice' cover with #GeorgeMichael fans! 🎬ft. @nilerodgers 🎼

by Anonymousreply 34111/08/2017

I’m r336 and I see your point. R339. And yes saying his issues were not extreme was rather shocking. Also making prescription opiates the bad thing when his stuff was all crack, ghb etc I get he was talking about others but really Whitney was a huge abuser of crack etc too. I’d have to listen to those parts again but either for public consumption or in general there seems to be some denial going on.

by Anonymousreply 34211/08/2017

So there was a lot of denial about his health and drug use. Very typical rockstar behavior.

by Anonymousreply 34311/08/2017

For once there was an actual portion - although very short -that talked about his songwriting process. Something that I was hoping for from the freedom documentary but was woefully absent. It was really just stars commenting on how fabulous songs were, but nothing digging into how he did what he did. Was he always thinking of melodies just throughout his day, did he lock himself in the studio only when it was time to write an album ... questions that you wonder about with him different artists of talked about themselves- it would’ve been nice. I know there are some things YouTube where are he is in the studio and I think talking about the beginning of waiting for that day and maybe praying for time and it was interesting stuff. I was surprised none of that made it into the documentary or at least similar discussions about how he created. For that reason the documentary was a fail for me.

by Anonymousreply 34411/08/2017

R343. There were some references of recent turmoil and a long period he had come out of - but cryptic ones that became more confusing with his comments later about others drug problems and diminishment of his own. I’d say falling out of cars and getting ghb delivered by a long time dealer under code name “champagne” and 18 months in rehab are no biggie. Of course stag and others came to light with the public after GM died.

by Anonymousreply 34511/08/2017

^ * “aren’t exactly no biggie” Sorry - my typing is horrid tonight.

by Anonymousreply 34611/08/2017

George Michael on Sold On Song Radio Special is removed from Youtube

by Anonymousreply 34711/08/2017

^ don’t know what that is

by Anonymousreply 34811/08/2017

Yes, [R344], that was my favorite part, too. When he died I was sad for a lot of reasons but I felt a big loss that we could never know the back story behind many of the songs. I know he's thrown out bits here and there on various interviews for some of his songs. I just really wanted to better understand how his songs came about.

by Anonymousreply 34911/08/2017

In Sold On George talked to Paul Gambaccini about how he wrote his songs from his early days of Wham! through to his last album, Patience.

by Anonymousreply 35011/08/2017

His voice sounded louder, but I thought it was a tiny bit echoed or something off. And I bet there was only 20 minutes of him even talking (at best) if you got rid of the fillers. As they said initially- bbc was airing the video “almost in its entirety.”

by Anonymousreply 35111/08/2017

[quote] it lasted two and a half hours actually and so we put much of it into the film but actually there’s another hour that we’ve put together that’s going to be in a radio special that we’re putting together.

So we heard 40 minutes from the two and a half hours interview?

by Anonymousreply 35211/08/2017

Thanks to the poster who gave the link out. Ok now that I have caught the first 15 minutes I missed when it aired, I understand what R319 and r339 are talking about. Wow! He did just about everything but blurt our he was pos. It was like watching the Jesus to A Child video and realizing the obvious that he was coming out as gay.

by Anonymousreply 35311/08/2017

“My issues (with drugs) have never been extreme” Good grief Georgios.

by Anonymousreply 35411/08/2017

No-one in the Western world dies from HIV anymore? The fear of HIV has gone from the gay community? Straight people are the only ones who live in fear of their HIV status being uncovered? Jesus this guy is so delusional...

a) Improvements in HIV prevention, education and management has improved in leaps and bounds - thank heavens. But deaths from 'HIV-related complications' is unfortunately still a thing. As are health issues related to AIDs medication. Not nearly in the numbers of yesterday - but not zero either. b) Really? Don't think so. c) BS.

This diatribe is really awful to listen to. I actually wish this whole interview had never happened. Can't see it serving any good purpose, really.

by Anonymousreply 35511/08/2017

Linda on George

by Anonymousreply 35611/08/2017

R355 maybe he thought that the gay community is unconcerned cause he was living for a while there in a weird bubble world of escorts and pos porn workers vs the world the rest of us inhabit on the daily. It really was a weird set of comments he made.

by Anonymousreply 35711/08/2017

Straight person here - is this really the general consensus among the gay community that hiv is no big deal now l and more convenient than having diabetes etc? I ask with no sarcasm or agenda. Just want to understand if he’s overall correct or not. Thanks :-)

by Anonymousreply 35811/08/2017

I think he knew he was ill but after decades of hedonistic lifestyle he thought he could survive anything.

The interview was heavily edited content-wise and also the audio was somewhat improved. He still often sounded like he couldn't catch his breath. In the last approximately 5 minutes the voice was much worse and the last sentence about him liking the interview was hard to listen to.

by Anonymousreply 35911/08/2017

Just listened to the interview. His voice sounds so much better than what we heard in the Part 1 interview. Why was he going on and on about what straight people think of AIDS? Did not look like he was that well-informed about HIV was he? He made it sound like it is just like taking a pill for flu everyday. From 2005-onwards as big a fan as I am of George he started sounding very self-absorbed and narcissitic. That early diatribe made him sound as if he was living in a bubble.

by Anonymousreply 36011/08/2017

You people are talking as if GM had Stage 4 cancer or a disease with a terminal prognosis. He had heart problems but he wouldn't be expecting to drop dead of that at any minute.

Heart disease combined with whatever opiates and benzos he took to get to sleep on Christmas Eve were the death of him.

by Anonymousreply 36111/08/2017

Severe pneumonia, which GM had, can leave you with permanent lung damage. This would have accounted for his breathlessness and weak voice. He then exacerbated that by taking opiates, which suppress the respiratory system if taken in quantity and, sadly, he just stopped breathing.

Nothing to do with AIDS.

by Anonymousreply 36211/08/2017

I do believe he probably had terminal illness which included heart and lung disease.

by Anonymousreply 36311/08/2017

r341 Interesting. I wonder why they didn't go with that cover. I didn't care for the pic of George on the 2-CD edition.

by Anonymousreply 36411/08/2017

R362 R363 I have the same opinion

by Anonymousreply 36511/08/2017

This picture as cover for the LWP reissue would be amazing

by Anonymousreply 36611/08/2017

Oh dear, Fraus...

We've been through the 'were his organ problems terminal?' issue over and over - with informed answers provided from doctors who explained why it was acceptable for GM's death certificate to appear as it did. DCM that is not acute and the result of another underlying condition (for example infection) is always terminal - the question is how long a patient has.

So enough of the uninformed two cents. Boring.

by Anonymousreply 36711/08/2017

I have heard Kirsty Young's interviews a lot. Understand she was asked by George to do this interview for a specific purpose. But I found her questions too cloying and admiring and this was not her finest hour

by Anonymousreply 36811/08/2017

What did you expect? ^ Kirsty was a known friend and has never been a hard-hitting journalist. She was there as a formality only. The whole thing just gets worse and worse and GM more and more defensive (not at Kirsty). It's similar to the rant in defense of cottaging to that unsuspecting BBC journalist all those years ago - all 'rahrah straight people just don't get it and everything's fine and rahrah rant rant'. Not a cogent argument in sight.

This whole sorry 'interview' should have been buried. It's kind of laughable. Would have been better to just play LWP a few times over.

by Anonymousreply 36911/08/2017

People on here are still implying he had some raging strain of untreatable AIDS.

Shame on you all!

by Anonymousreply 37011/08/2017

^Agree the whole interview made him GM sound self-pitying and making excuses. George thought Madonna and he were "SANE". He thought MJ and Prince were vulnerable, but not him. He was self-delusional to the very end wasnt he? God only knows what his actual health condition was and what he thought or knew about it. Maybe because for almost twenty years he had got away with a lot of crap, he just thought oh what is going to happen to me. Well there is just so much you can get away with in life and it all caught up with him in the end unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 37111/08/2017

[R370] Is fishing for a tantrum. Stupid, boring sod.

by Anonymousreply 37211/08/2017

Am I right in thinking that Part 2 contains a lot of repeated material from Part 1?

by Anonymousreply 37311/08/2017

Back here at the Fadi Fawaz thread to actually talk about George Michael. Haven't read the thread and haven't heard the 2nd part of radio series yet. Just read some reviews.

It seems a bit odd (sorry to bring up this subject AGAIN I know many are sick of it and it is bad taste) that if he really did have HIV/AIDS as crossed my own mind many times, he was talking about the subject so much but not in relation to himself. Or was it his roundabout way of trying to get to it? If it were me I'd probably be wanting to talk about something else.

He's ended up a very enigmatic figure and seems always new turns. He was still keeping everyone guessing.

He was talking for so long about this dance album since he got out of prison. I always felt, despite so many saying he was finished, that someone like George Michael had to come out of all this sooner or later and make a triumphant return. There was just too much there for it all to go to waste. From all the interviews it seems like he himself felt like his life had a plan and purpose and he was trying to hang onto that. He wasn't the sort of person to just say 'I give up.' If it was bad, he'd just try to turn it around into something else more positive.

But even he ran out of chances and there were so many who were concerned that this would happen and he didn't listen. So I don't know if it's appropriate to say he was so 'self aware'. Certainly not with his lifestyle he wasn't.

It's hit me again that during Wham! he seemed to be managing two very different careers side by side - his solo career with his ballads and the fun pop image/music with Wham! It sometimes seemed like two completely different personas/artists. It didn't all stop after Wham! though. He was still doing a lot of dance/beat music as well as the ballads so he must really have felt both. He could do them both better than many others who choose to specialize in one field or the other, and make it look effortless. I probably didn't appreciate it until seeing all the efforts lately by those trying to pay tribute and obviously finding it not so easy.

Madonna turned out to be the real survivor of the bunch, even if not the most gifted, as he said. She's had so many changes of image but hasn't really been able to do that well outside of dance music. She doesn't have the range, depth or sensitivity to make it seem sincere. But perhaps that's what also protected her.

I always get told here that George's 'sensitivity' was all made up but I think it came through clear enough in his work. He didn't manage it the best way but I'd still give him credit. Sorry if that annoys everyone else but if you thought so little of him I don't know why you're still in these threads.

by Anonymousreply 37411/08/2017

Nono, George wasn't one to give up. Why, the last twenty years of his life were especially productive.

by Anonymousreply 37511/08/2017

Lot of criticism here about George surrounding himself with escorts and porn stars. With all this sh*t about Kevin Spacey coming out, that looks like a better option GM took dont you think

by Anonymousreply 37611/08/2017

[R376] Is that kid who sat under the Christmas dinner table eating everyone's cake crumbs.

by Anonymousreply 37711/08/2017

I would like to discuss a few things about this interview and some of the comments on this subject matter. To begin George reminded me of Whitney when she saw on Oprah discussing being clean. Whitney was very open with Oprah, but we know how that story end. [371] the fact GM said that both Prince and MJ were vulnerable and HE WAS SANE. I like George but how could he say that knowing how his life was. I mean look at the people he allowed in his life and how both his voice and writing ability went down. When comparing MJ, Whitney, GM and Prince in terms of longevity and sanity Prince wins. MJ, Whitney and GM all had scandals that follow them to this day and strange people in their lives suppling their needs. This just showed how delusion George was about his life and drug use. Whitney was open about her drug use to Oprah. At least she knew she had a problem and own up to it. I don’t think George wanted to or could face his reality. That is why he kept people around long periods of time who did nothing to aid him. I was watching the Rick Flair 30:30 and Shaun Michaels said that “Rick Flair did not want to be Richard Fliehr. Because he did not get to know him (Richard Fliehr) due to hiding behind the Rick Flair persona he created”. This got me thinking about George. I feel that he got so lost in the George Michael persona that he was afraid to get to know Georgios Panayiotou. Flair was heavy drinker and womanizer and George was heavy into drugs and cruising. Maybe discovering who he really was scared him. In the book Bare GM states ‘I created a person the world could love’’ which is a sad statement.(Sorry for going of subject its late.) Let say that GM was a great singer, songwriter, producer, arranger and musician, but a flawed person.

by Anonymousreply 37811/08/2017

We are all flawed people

by Anonymousreply 37911/08/2017

GM and his estate seem to even outshine the Kremlin-cover-ups during the 70s... For what purpose? It doesn't make sense.

by Anonymousreply 38011/08/2017

Think they finally pushed it all too far with this ridiculous radio caper. If GM wanted a lasting record of a self-absorbed, grimy, wheezing, slurring, drug-addled *uck up then task achieved. He actually sounds off his face the whole way through the so-called interview.

The whole thing is an unholy mess.

by Anonymousreply 38111/08/2017

Jackson was was vulnerable? Are you kidding me!? Jackson was a psychopath

and Jakcson wasn't the most talented of the bunch. He lip sync through his whole career. had bunch of ghost writers and co-writers and co-producers and like Elvis, he was essentially a thief and stole from other artists.

by Anonymousreply 38211/08/2017

Whitney Elizabeth was never honest and open about anything

by Anonymousreply 38311/08/2017

In interview George sounded like he was on some anti depressants

by Anonymousreply 38411/08/2017

New George Michael tracks may be released in the future - but only if his family agree

Rob Stringer, the CEO of Sony Music Entertainment, said: “I think there will be more stuff to come out. There is material there but we would not do anything without the estate wanting to be involved.

"I think there will be more stuff to come but not at the behest of commerciality. It will be for good reason. I know he was working on a dance album.”

He said: “ I loved him when I was a fan to working with him and commissioning this documentary that came out. George did the voice over two days before he died.”

by Anonymousreply 38511/08/2017

George Michael: Red Line episode 2, Radio 2, talking points review - an intriguing and poignant listen

by Anonymousreply 38611/08/2017

R380 - It's makes perfect sense once you accepted the blindingly obvious thing the estate are covering up. I think their reason for doing so is nothing more than their own issues, prejudice and desire to "protect the family name" (There are other issues if you reall want to go there, tuff like the estate opening itself up to potential legal action but that's really grim). GM said himself, several times, he wanted to protect his family. Firstly to do with coming out (and the fear of HIV / AIDS) and again, in the the post pneumonia press call "the are other medical issues that I'm not prepared to go into in order to protect my family". I think that loyalty to his family was what ulimatley led to his self-destruction and it's a real, real shame because it's nothing to be ashamed of. The ludicrous cover up by the estate is what will do the most harm to GM's legacy.

by Anonymousreply 38711/09/2017

R369 r371 r373 agree totally

The aids rant at straight people was bizarre. Especially coming from a guy who was cloistered away for the better part of 3 years and involved with no one except his hedonistic buddies and then a quirky expensive rehab where he maybe instructed his people to write a few checks to the charity. George was not “involved” with anything but his own demons in the last part of his life, let alone gaging the temperature of straight people’s feelings about hiv. The sweeping generalizations in that part of the interview about what gay or straight people are thinking should have been left in the edit room floor. I remember that interview a few years back where he went nuts on that journalist practically spitting out the words “straight people”. This was a bit similar. The rest of the interview had weird edits talking about too funky in 1992 then jumping backwards to freedom 90 for a while. The blathering about other people’s drug problems was icing on the crazy cake of this part two. Even casual listeners who have not followed him closely must have thought he sounded unpleasant at best. How could they have thought part two was a good idea? They should have just used the scissors even more and put the decent stuff into part one and called it a day. The Stubborn megalomaniac side people who knew him mention at times came through loud and clear, accompanied by a big dollop of denial. He was clearly still an emotional mess if this was only a few days before he died. I have no doubt now he OD’d on Christmas either accidentally or on purpose. Easy to see now.

by Anonymousreply 38811/09/2017

R387 I never caught that line in the post pneumonia press conference outside his home. Bingo

by Anonymousreply 38911/09/2017

Maybe all that ranting at straight people not getting it was anger at his own very traditional Greek family who he continued to feel like he had to “protect “

by Anonymousreply 39011/09/2017

R381 Look up Twitter and see what GMs Lovelies are saying about the interview. They are heart-broken, they are in tears, what a vulnerable sensitive man he was etc. The interviews did GM no favours and really like the Parkinson interviews he was trying to hide his problems and pull wool over the eyes of his fans.

R387 Loyalty to his family had nothing to do with his self-destruction. Sure he loved his family and his family must have loved him. The self-destruction was of his own making. He must have been such a difficult son and brother to have as they had no control over him and were watching him slowly disintegrate over 20 years. I do not for example believe his story that he did not come out as gay to protect his mother.

This was something he said conveniently to mask the fact that he was afraid of what would happen to his career and ambitions if he came out as gay. GM himself contradicted this by saying his mother used to even as a young child encourage him to be manly. When he took a boyfriend home, that guy said she knows because she looked at me as if to say she would kill me if I hurt you. His mother knew early on that he was gay. He himself said he told one of his sisters when he was 19. His Dad being old-fashioned might have been in denial, but they all knew.

George was always saying one thing and doing something else. After the 2010 jail sentence, I have paid my karmic dues and I have learnt my lesson and I no longer smoke dope. But what was he doing. Surrounding himself with escorts and porn stars heavily into drugs and weed. After 2011, pneumonia, I have dodged a bullet etc, but he was never got off drugs or the hedonistic lifestyle. Always fooling himself and trying to fool his fans. But that is the way of addicts. Feel very sorry he is no longer here and have great respect for his musical talents. But less us be honest

by Anonymousreply 39111/09/2017

R391, I think what R387 was implying is that covering up a possible HIV positive status to protect his family (and personally I believe he would do that alongside his own selfish reasons for hiding it) and the pressures of doing so, and wondering if it would all come out lead to self destructive behaviours.

Personally I believe he was messed up from discovering he had passed the virus on to Kenny. That really does make sense when you think about it.

by Anonymousreply 39211/09/2017

I have always wondered. He said he never wanted to be someone else. But yet he "created George Michael" people could love??? That doesn't make much sense to me....

by Anonymousreply 39311/09/2017

If the guy was hell bent on protecting his family, he would have made at least a tiny effort to get clean at some stage. Even a tiny effort. But no, none - and those family members who really did care must have worried and stressed themselves witless. And then the world expects them to be organising or agreeing to a tribute gig. They are probably still recovering from the last 25 years of GM's life let alone his death.

GM was clearly paranoid about something to do with his health getting out. At the time of the infamous pnemonia meltdown, our eyes here said there were 'reasons' for the health scare beyond what the UK press was printing. The Swiss papers said heart issues again and again. Then the hospital released a seemingly odd presser saying GM 'was not being treated for other medical conditions' outside the pnemonia. The only odd thing about the statement is that it was made. Seems they were asked to assist in fending off the suggestions others were coming up with. And it was clever because the hospital was indeed treating the acute situation as its priority - as it had to. After recovering enough to go back to the UK, GM's team no doubt agreed to follow up tests and checks and god knows whether any of that actually happened. So the poor doctor wasn't actually lying per se - but not spilling all the beans either. And other than the concert, I'm sure the hospital received generous financial gifts.

If GM was outed as positive in his lifetime - if indeed he was - which we cannot prove conclusively, it would have damaged his image hugely. It's complex, but those who never took to the idea of rampant promiscuity (be they straight, gay or otherwise) have often created a narrative of risky sex = deserve to be positive. And this is exactly the angle the tabloids would have run with - and it would have been very difficult to shift. It would have been very, very ugly.

In the end it's becoming bleediny obvious that, whatever the details, SO much was lied about and covered up right from the beginning. No-one could possibly GM's musical talent. Beyond that - it's all just smoke and mirrors and bandaid solutions. Which, by the way, is not what you pay a 'therapist' for for nearly two decades...

by Anonymousreply 39411/09/2017

I still think there was some kind of brain damage. The way he spoke is at times was so unnatural and forced compared to his younger self. It's more than breathlessness and ageing, it's as if he couldn't fully articulate what he was thinking a lot of the time; as if his brain didn't engage the same with his mouth. He also seemed to be having trouble controlling the pitch of his voice, often shouting and blurting things out in a stilted way.

by Anonymousreply 39511/09/2017

[392] "passing the virus on to Kenny" If that was the case then Kenny would have sued the estate or blackmail the family. To keep this secret from the public would the family be treating him so cold if he had that type of information. Some of this Kenny worship is ridiculous on so many levels.

by Anonymousreply 39611/09/2017

I honestly doubt he was HIV+. The tape of him explaining the pneumonia and saying he didn't want to elaborate too much doesn't prove anything. The fact that he doesn't want to discuss the finer details of his time in hospital to protect his family doesn't mean that he is hiding his HIV. I interpreted that as he doesn't want them to have relive the fear they had that they would lose him and the actual closeness he came to dying.

by Anonymousreply 39711/09/2017

i can see some are in denial that he might have been HIV positive. please keep the delusion going. i guess some of you will rather whitewash his image in your minds rather than admit there is a possibility he was secretly pos.

by Anonymousreply 39811/09/2017

“....Baby, can’t you read the signs?...” Older was George’s coming out and this interview was George telling us he was positive (and that he thought it was no big deal). I am 100% convinced of this.

by Anonymousreply 39911/09/2017

^and let me also add that he didn’t actually say it (that he was pos) because he was defo trying to protect his family...just as he did with not wanting to come out.

by Anonymousreply 40011/09/2017

He could have been HIV positive or he might not have been. Either is a possibility. Some have convinced themselves he was, without any real evidence. It's no more delusional to to assume he wasn't. After all, the only thing we really have to go on is George's word that he wasn't. He lied about lots of things so of course it could have been a lie, but not everything he said was a lie.

by Anonymousreply 40111/09/2017

R401 - "without any real evidence". Really?

Did you listen to the Radio 2 interview? He all but explicitly said "I have HIV".

Then there's the causes of death listed on his death certificate. Common in people treated with certain HIV meds.

And the pneumonia

There was something in the coroner's report (not released) that "shocked and devastated" his father.

Toxicology was withheld (probably because he was on all sorts of meds).

The bloating and weight gain is again associated with HIV meds.

Shall I go on?

I'm firmly with R399/400 on this one!

by Anonymousreply 40211/09/2017

^Thank you, R402. I appreciate the support. Listen R401...none of this changes how much we love and adore him. So what if he lied? His perogative. This was his way of telling us and he spelled it out in HIS own way. Thank you, George.

by Anonymousreply 40311/09/2017

R392 Personally I believe he was messed up from discovering he had passed the virus on to Kenny

Passing the virus to Kenny? Another accusation made by you lovely AIDS troll! your ass is gonna be sued soon you nasty piece of trash!

by Anonymousreply 40411/09/2017

R401 Some have convinced themselves he was

Exactly! they are convinced that he was positive and nothing gonna change their mind but they keep repeating it in every damn post They have an agenda for sure

by Anonymousreply 40511/09/2017

R402 'There was something in the coroner's report (not released) that "shocked and devastated" his father.' The source for this information was Andros, right? You really think he's reliable?

by Anonymousreply 40611/09/2017

That would have been his big message and in essence relaunching his album telling people to listen without prejudice. Kinda brilliant really.

by Anonymousreply 40711/09/2017

Why do some posters lose their minds at the possibility he was positive? None of us will likely ever know. I guess George was right about stigma.

by Anonymousreply 40811/09/2017

[408] your are right about poster losing their minds about the possibility of George NOT having HIV. Some poster think because he was gay that he had this disease. I listen to the interview and I guess we are hearing different things. George was correct in thinking that individuals think that every gay man only die from AIDS/HIV related disease. Meanwhile you have Magic Johnson who had had HIV since the early 90's and Charlie Sheen who also have HIV. I guess only the gay men are the only ones to die from this because you [408] and other view them as week. How 1980's your thinking is. So you guys who keep rewriting this (GMF members) need to take your own advice and LISTEN WITHOUT PREJUDICE. P.s this discussion section is becoming a wash, rinse and repeat of things that have been proven to false and other still rewrite the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 40911/09/2017

[R409] So much BS . Agree w [R409] George was right about the stigma. Why do some of the people here and many lovelies make such a big deal of the possibility he was pos ? (I personally believe he was). Why why why is having AIDS something to be ashamed of ? And if GM did, would any of you love him any less ? I don't get it.

BTW, does anybody hv the facebook post Andros wrote when the family got the toxicology results ? He deleted it shortly after posting.

by Anonymousreply 41011/09/2017

Why does anyone care if he was pos or not? Explain why it matters.

by Anonymousreply 41111/09/2017

We actually have no idea whether Jack P ever looked at the tox report, with whom, or how he reacted. Or what was in it. There was no legal or other requirement for it to be released to the public - or anyone for that matter - though the family may have put in a request to view it as is their right.

If Interview Part 2 was George declaring his positive HIV status, then it was an incredibly ironic and selfish way to do it - particularly as he must have known from his heart condition alone that his days were numbered (barring a transplant - which with his drug use and continued smoking he seems to have for all intents and purposes rendered himself ineligible for) and that he wouldn't be around long to answer any questions.

Aside from the unfair rant against 'straight people' (the majority of his fanbase - go figure) and the weird allusion to charities for straight people with HIV (anyone familiar with these?), George's blapping about current treatments and outlook for people with HIV showed a complete lack of understanding about, well, just about everything. We'd all love to live in a world in which if you are positive you just pop a pill with your breakfast each day and never have any other concerns, but this is not reality for many people and their partners, family and friends. Many of us are fortunate to live in communities which have broadened their horizons considerably on how to reduce stigma around HIV - but it still exists - among people of ALL sexualities. Just browse the hundreds of threads here on the subject (and this is only one site albeit a big one) to get a better understanding of the real world.

*Best* of all, if (and I say 'if') this was an HIV coming out of sorts, the fact that George never says he is positive actually entrenches to stigma around the disease more than anything else. And no, he wasn't 'protecting his family' FFS. Have a look at his walking-headline behaviour over the past twenty years and tell me this was a man who made decisions based on 'protecting his family'. Fortunately for them, they have proven capable of protecting themselves.

by Anonymousreply 41211/09/2017

Good posts above and nice to see people not losing their minds. Personally the hiv and straight people rant turned me off of him a little bit. Such derision in his voice. It’s an insult to fans who are straight yet have never given a flying shit if he was not and continued to like him through highly destructive behaviour regardless of whether he was into men or women. Maybe he should have been thanking his fan base for “listening without prejudice” all these years. Because they did and it helped pay for all his drugs and escorts. They made him rich after all. I think he didn’t really respect his fan base for sticking with him through all his bullshit. Instead it was all woe is me navel gazing from a guy that still had an incredibly exciting life in between the dark moments. This interview made me think he had become a real eccentric along the lines of prince etc, just slightly more personable...at times. I wish I didn’t hear that last interview. I saw the asshole version of George that Simon Napier Bell so clearly described years before george even went off the rails. I don’t even want to listen to his music right now.

by Anonymousreply 41311/09/2017

Not even bothering to read the monologue at R377. Use paragraphs ffs.

by Anonymousreply 41411/09/2017

'We'd all love to live in a world in which if you are positive you just pop a pill with your breakfast each day and never have any other concerns, but this is not reality for many people and their partners, family and friends.'

R412, will you please give some personal experience about this, because all the people I know who are poz do just take one pill a day and get on with their lives. It doesn't affect their families at all as these guys are never ill. Two of them haven't told their families, and there is no need to because they have had no symptoms after ten/thirteen years of treatment.

You clearly know a lot of people who are doing badly, but generalizing in this way does not make you sound convincing at all.

by Anonymousreply 41511/09/2017

Are you new here r414 - after typing in paragraphs, some posts finalize without the indentation anyway. and what the fuck are you even referring to at r377? No one cares what you read, by the way.

by Anonymousreply 41611/09/2017

Angry boy is back!

by Anonymousreply 41711/09/2017

R416, in order for DL to format a paragraph break, you need to press the return carriage key twice.

And until you do, I won't be reading any of your posts.

by Anonymousreply 41811/09/2017

[R414] Huh? [R377] is like one line...

by Anonymousreply 41911/09/2017

I meant the nightmare at R378.

by Anonymousreply 42011/09/2017

R419, you always put the post number in two sets of brackets for some extraordinary reason. We can all see your grim English.

by Anonymousreply 42111/09/2017

Even when typing out a GM lyric, you need to press the return key twice after each line to get a break, hence:

I'm never gonna shag again

Guilty feet ain't got no rhythm

Though it's easy to pretend

You know I'm still a queen.

Should have known better than to shag a man

The guilty feet that I've been given

So I'm never gonna shag again

The way I shagged with you

Oh ohhhhhhhhh

by Anonymousreply 42211/09/2017

R418, I’m not r378 you loser.

by Anonymousreply 42311/09/2017

R422 = Sick troll

by Anonymousreply 42411/09/2017

R422 lol 😂

by Anonymousreply 42511/09/2017

[R415] Is out of love on Insta today. 'All the people I know'...

This place sure does attract its share of Millennial breeders.

by Anonymousreply 42611/09/2017

At least r422 doesn’t descend here every night to bitch and moan about grammar and sentence breaks and perceived stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 42711/09/2017

R422 is probably one the AIDS trolls in FF threads

by Anonymousreply 42811/09/2017

R422 has it bang on sadly. Careless Whisper was about one of GM's first gay shags and he was too scared to come out because of his Greek Orthodox guilt and the general homophobia of the early 1980s. CW came out in 1984.

by Anonymousreply 42911/09/2017

R426 bitter old queen

by Anonymousreply 43011/09/2017

I don't understand it

For you it's a breeze

But when we're together

I'm always on my kne-e-e-e-e-s

Oh I'm so scared

Of coming out.

And if all that there is

Is this fear of being used

I should go back to being closeted and confused

If I would, I could

I swear.

by Anonymousreply 43111/09/2017

Posters on this board need to post some changed GM lyrics to practise your double spacing.

I guess none of you have the sense of humour for it, sadly.

Double brackets, you are the dourest of all with your tales of GM dying from untreatable HIV.

by Anonymousreply 43211/09/2017

To all the trolls Incl. HIV/AIDS trolls

by Anonymousreply 43311/09/2017

Get ready for George Michael weekend!

XFactor Our Contestants will be honouring a true musical legend this weekend - George Michael.

They'll be taking to the stage to perform an array of his greatest hits and you're in for a real pop feast!

Don't miss it on ITV - Saturday at 8.10pm and Sunday at 7.25pm.

by Anonymousreply 43411/09/2017

A CAMPAIGN for statues to be installed outside George Michael’s UK homes has been given a huge boost.

Sony record bosses are backing a move to make memorials outside the late star’s Highgate and Goring residencies permanent.

Asked about a statue, Sony CEO Rob Stringer told me: “Let’s do it. I have a house near Henley and I go past the lane in Goring, which is just flooded with stuff. I just helped pay for a statue of David Bowie in Aylesbury, my home town, and it’s all been commissioned now so I’m all for a permanent memorial for George somewhere.”

Stringer added: “There is stuff there but we are going to be careful. It has to be done at the right time and with the full approval of his family. But it’s going pretty well.”

by Anonymousreply 43511/09/2017

R432. I laughed. geeez.

by Anonymousreply 43611/09/2017

R434. Here comes the paid advertiser again.

by Anonymousreply 43711/09/2017

I don’t know how that poor family will ever get to sell any of these properties with all the intense insane fans tending to the kitschy memorials all day. After the one year mark, I hope they clear all that out.

by Anonymousreply 43811/09/2017

Ooo, gather round children! Poster at R432 has invented a cure for HIV. It's a miracle!

by Anonymousreply 43911/09/2017

Listen to LeAnn Rimes' cover of George Michael's "One More Try"

by Anonymousreply 44011/09/2017

^ thanks paid poster 🙄

by Anonymousreply 44111/09/2017

This Lovely doesn't have the kind of hardcore drug issues GM didn't have. Though to his credit GM had the sense not to write any more albums after he got involved waaaaaaay over his head.

'P.s this discussion section is becoming a wash, rinse and repeat of things that have been proven to false and other still rewrite the same thing.'

Vomit. Rinse. Ignore. '

by Anonymousreply 44211/09/2017

R431 Lol! It was so obvious back then but the girlies didn't seem to mind. I think Kanye actually used that song and video for one of his own singles... He trying to tell us something? (I like Kanye's music actually - he's one of those artists I think is an obnoxious personality but I still listen to them.)

I think there should be a nice, simple, peaceful type of public memorial. Many less deserving have got them. Even people in my own family have places named after them, parks, monuments etc and nobody even knows who they are. I like the idea of it being properly managed. But you know that the fanatics will still clutter it up. I don't know what they're trying to prove. But I bet they're already planning for Christmas.

It bugs me sometimes that these fanatics seem to gloss over a huge part of his life that was important, and still remain stuck in the era before he was publicly gay. That's what you mainly see in the tributes. I'd like it if they could do a fundraiser for an HIV/AIDS cause. That might be better for Alex than supporting extremist homophobes on the web. I'm no Fawaz fan but the way the 'Lovelies' treated him was extremely rude, inappropriate and OTT.

To them however, George is their 'precious angel' and practically a 'saint'. I don't think even he would be comfortable with that description - he knew he'd made mistakes.

When Adam Lambert sang at Project Angel Food one of the 'Lovelies' took the video and put it on her own channel on youtube, without even posting a link to the charity. Maybe I'm being petty but as well as paying tribute to George it was also supposed to be a charity event.

Still don't know why the family nixed a concert. He'd been around so little lately - I think it could boost his profile in places where his career had suffered. But I think that things may be very complex behind the scenes.

A story said that there may be more songs in the future but only if the family agree. Well his site indicated there would be more projects come to light in the future, that he and David had been working on. So we'll see.

by Anonymousreply 44311/09/2017

Given that Paul Mac was supposed to be producing the infamous 'new tracks' and said that George simply 'disappeared' in 2012 after an unproductive two-month studio stint with him, I'd say have another listen to Radio Rant Part II and see if you can really imagine how anything new could possibly have been created prior to George's death. Guy could barely put a sentence together let alone write or, god forbid, sing.

There may well be tracks from previous times that never made it to release - but not recent ones.

by Anonymousreply 44411/10/2017

I thought this was pure rubbish at first but as I dig deeper seems that there has been some groundwork being done on this

Someone posted this on FB when the article came out

[quote]Just to reassure you all, I have been working on this memorial project for GORING only since February, and ideas for a permanent memorial to George, were invited by Goring Parish Council along with the family. I submitted an idea for a bronze sculpture of George seated on a bronze bench, which I suggested would be located on the slip-road very close to Mill Cottage. It is based on George's 'Patience' persona. I proposed the bronze be sited on the paved/brick area by the roadside, which I believe is the best location for it. George's family have agreed to a memorial but understandably, it is still too early to proceed at the moment. I am also in touch with Rob Stringer from Sony Music. 🤞

Looks like a group called Petition For George Michael Statue/Memorial In Highgate The Grove is spearheading this movement. The woman who posted this also mentioned the clay sculpture of David Bowie which Andrew Sinclair has finished before it goes to the bronze foundry. She then posted pics of the David Bowie sculpture.

Of course, the Loveles manning the Highgate refuse to support the idea of a memorial statue and wants to keep their tribute gardens.

by Anonymousreply 44511/10/2017

[R445] A memorial of sorts near his home/s would be great. British artists of the magnitude George achieved come along once in a blue moon. We should be proud of him, and his flaws, after all it's these that really made him the star.

by Anonymousreply 44611/10/2017

[441] when is that George Michael Forum going to be up and running again?

Why was it shut down and by whom?

How is Kenny and the foundation doing these days?

by Anonymousreply 44711/10/2017

R444 I agree that that there won't be any recent tracks to release. The state his voice was in he never would have managed to sing anything, no matter how much production there was. Even the records he was making 5 years ago were sub-standard, both in terms of the writing and his voice. Look at White Light, and Where I hope You Are. He really had become so self absorbed that anything he wrote was just a self indulgent mess.

by Anonymousreply 44811/10/2017

So true r444 and r448

And ohh that part two was a mess they never should have run with. Leave well enough alone. If part one was the last of it I would have been fine. And what are David and Co thinking if they edited so much but kept the delusional part in there about him really thinking he and Madonna escaped the madness that prince, MJ and Whitney didn’t. And having him talk about the scourage of prescription opiates that destroyed his colleagues from the 80s, when he had his drug dealers dropping off ghb and crack all the time was pretty rich. After MJ george was probably a solid number two in terms of the crazies and out of control behaviour and complete unproductive streaks that lasted for ages

.Druggie escapades, car falls and other dramatic examples of circling of the proverbial drain defined his last 15 years or so. To say he sees himself as above it all sitting right beside Madonna is a little shocking. George’s fall was spectacular and perhaps the saddest of all even before he died. Talk about revisionist history. No wonder this guy was so hard to get through during to all those drugggie years. How could family or friends reach someone like that.

Simon Napier Bell had him pegged. So did that Toby guy who did a song with George on the Aegean label. Essentially both explained him via examples as self absorbed, righteously indignant and stubborn.

David is really tone deaf when it comes to managing this image stuff. Part two make George seem horribly unlikeable to many.

by Anonymousreply 44911/10/2017

*made not make ^ among other typos. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 45011/10/2017

In the interview it is obvious. He had so clearly lost the love for his craft. #sad

by Anonymousreply 45111/10/2017

There was a lot of positive sentiment after the Freedom docu. They should have stopped there. Instead David & co had to flog this heavily edited interview. Clearly David is a camp follower all his life and lacks judgement on what is good and bad. To keep himself relevant for as long as possible and to milk the situation to the max he will get the family's consent and release 3-4 tracks, songs like "Where I Hope You Are". As did the Fantasy single it will come a cropper. If George did not release it, it was not good enough. Leave things alone and close the chapter.

Even as a fan I could not stand that rant about straight people and AIDS and his comments about MJ and Prince. Stupid fans of his will probably cry over him forever and express sentiments like this: "Such an insightful, poignant and heartbreakingly honest interview with George Michael @BBCRadio2 I still can't believe he's no longer with us #TheRedLine"

Yeah right. Enough already

by Anonymousreply 45211/10/2017

Wonder what Anselmo's family think about the death of a family member 24 years ago under tragic circumstance being raked over and over again to underpin the story of the tragic popstar hit by unspeakable bereavements. Put yourself in their shoes as a Catholic family back in Brazil, would you like it?

by Anonymousreply 45311/10/2017

Wham, bam

I'm a gay man

Closeted or what

You can't tell me that I'm not

I may not have a job

But I have a good time

With the gays that I meet

Down on the line

Two, three

Take a look at me

I'm a massive queen

Who I want to be

One two take a look at you

Death by matrimony

by Anonymousreply 45411/10/2017

R453, they won't be able to watch the documentary in Brazil and I'm sure they'd be moved to see GM cared so much so many years later.

More interesting is whether that relationship would have lasted beyond the first few years.

by Anonymousreply 45511/10/2017

R455 Yeah right. Today everything is online and they must have watched. When the story about George's relationship with Anselmo first came out and all the stories of George showering him with expensive gifts, a brother of his said that was not true and Anselmo had not recvd those gifts. Really somebody should ask them what they think.

by Anonymousreply 45611/10/2017

Everything is not online for people in Brazil and some people don't even have the internet, so pssh to you, fug face R456.

by Anonymousreply 45711/10/2017

She's back. No wonder the family was against the George Michael tribute.

Geri Horner: 'Terrible night I heard George Michael had died - and why helping children this Christmas is best way to honor him'

The former Spice Girl says she was inspired by her late friend, who donated millions to Childline, and is now throwing her support behind the Mirror's Light Up Christmas for Children campaign “I think about him a lot, as anyone would who has lost a close friend,” says Geri slowly. “I think what I’ve realised¬ from his passing is that the world moves very fast and that’s why we have to do the best we can while we are here. I am very conscious of that.” It’s this realisation which has led Geri to take on a role as an ambassador for the NSPCC and Childline . And today Geri throws her support around the Mirror’s Light Up Christmas for Children campaign with the NSPCC.

by Anonymousreply 45811/10/2017

Last Christmas morning Geri Horner and her daughter Bluebell sat under their sparkling tree and opened the beautiful presents lovingly¬ chosen and wrapped by their ever-generous friend George Michael . Hours later they learned the terrible news that George was dead. “It was hideous,” she says quietly. “Just terrible. George had bought clothes for Bluey and he always sent my mother a fantastic food hamper. He was so kind. And then...” It was a day where everything¬ changed. But now the former Spice Girl is determined¬ to take the tragedy and sadness of George’s loss and transform it into a positive force to help children who are suffering. “I think about him a lot, as anyone would who has lost a close friend,” says Geri slowly. “I think what I’ve realised¬ from his passing is that the world moves very fast and that’s why we have to do the best we can while we are here. I am very conscious of that.” It’s this realisation which has led Geri to take on a role as an ambassador for the NSPCC and Childline . And today Geri throws her support around the Mirror’s Light Up Christmas for Children campaign with the NSPCC. Our ambition is to help raise £500,000 to ensure more calls and online messages to Childline are being answered. At the moment the voices of 20 kids every hour are going unheard as Childline struggles to meet growing demands. Following his death at 53 it emerged George Michael had given millions of pounds to the charity. “After George died I started doing some research and that was when I found out how much he’d done for Childline,” says Geri. I met up with Esther Rantzen and she was the one who told me how much he had given and it blew me away. I thought it was just inspirational.” As a teenager growing up in Watford¬, Herts, Geri was a huge Wham fan and adored George. When her own pop career in The Spice Girls exploded she met the star at an awards show and quickly they became firm friends. And after she left the band in 1998 and again when she gave birth to Bluebell in 2006 as a single mother, George was there to support her. He opened up his home to her and did everything he could to help. “I think there are pockets of time in your life when things aren’t going well and that’s when you find out who you are and who your friends are,” Geri says. “George was always there for me. He was very kind to me.” So while the scale of George’s secret support for Childline may have surprised Geri, his generosity of spirit did not. She knew too just how much her old pal adored kids. “George loved children,” she says, sitting in the cosy kitchen of her north London home surrounded by pictures of Bluebell, now 11 and her baby Monty. George used to come here when Bluebell had her birthday party,” says Geri. “When she was six years old it was me and about 10 children and George and he was totally into it – he loved seeing children having fun. “He was very, very sweet with them and just liked their innocence I think.” After George’s death Geri met Childline founder Esther Rantzen and learned more about its work and visited the charity’s¬ London HQ. “It is a massive open- plan office full of people, most of whom are giving up their time voluntarily to help children who need someone to talk to.

by Anonymousreply 45911/10/2017

Anselmo ‘s family lives in a comparatively (vs much of Brazil) well off smaller city. It’s not like they were in a favela in rio lol.

I don’t care really I just thought your exchange was funny above. I’m hoping to be called fug face as well 😂

by Anonymousreply 46011/11/2017

Also they are a very conservative Catholic family. Stories of their son being “showered with expensive gifts” might have felt embarrassing to them.

Btw the mother was quoted after GM died as saying now she has lost three sons. She considered GM like a son, but she most have lost another after anselmo , which so sad.

by Anonymousreply 46111/11/2017

R460 The fug face-caller must be one of those who uses the tag #firstworldproblems for everything and thinks that people in countries like Brazil or the Third World are still in living primitive times.

by Anonymousreply 46211/11/2017

^correction: living in primitve times

by Anonymousreply 46311/11/2017

I wonder why Mirror deleted their story about Anselmo’s family being upset about the documentary. I have never seen the tab removed a GM story that fast

by Anonymousreply 46411/11/2017

I know people shamed the psychiatrists wife for those insta posts - but actually it just shows how much things have been glossed over and edited for many years

by Anonymousreply 46511/11/2017

^ her stories were interesting, even if a little skewed towards her husband keeping him on the straight and narrow over what sounds like a 20+ year therapeutic relationship (too long to be with one shrink I think) . We know her narrative is not exactly correct as his downward slide to drugs etc started during their treatment. He also never told him about all his cruising until he got caught according to GM.

But, yes, it proves a lot was going wrong and he was truly with leeches in the last years like Kieran etc. And possibly lends to andro’s story about how alone he was left to deal with his problems. I thought personally it also made kenny look a little bad by noting kenny had moved away to Dallas in 2008/9 as among the reasons George was back in London with no support and no good shrink to manage his depression.

I think the jumping on her had more to do with invasion of dr /patient privacy rights. As much as I want to know what went on, I don’t want to hear anything from her about private treatment therapy george had. It was very weird of her to do what she did. She should know better.

by Anonymousreply 46611/11/2017

The X Factor reveals song list for George Michael tribute weekend

Boys

Lloyd Macey: 'A Different Corner'

Sam Black: Wham! – 'I'm Your Man'

Overs

Kevin Davy White: 'Fastlove, Pt.1'

Matt Linnen: 'Careless Whisper'

Groups

Jack & Joel: Wham! - 'The Edge of Heaven'

The Cutkelvins: 'Killer/Papa Was A Rollin' Stone'

Sean & Conor Price: 'Freedom! '90'

Rak-Su: 'Faith'

Girls

Alisah Bonaobra: 'Praying For Time'

Grace Davies: 'I Can't Make You Love Me'

Holly Tandy: 'One More Try'

Rai-Elle: 'They Won't Go When I Go'

by Anonymousreply 46711/11/2017

Indeed there are confidentiality issues. But in 50 years time those records would be of historical interest. I actually think they should be left for research - but research only - NOT for sensationalism

by Anonymousreply 46811/11/2017

R468 I think it's a bit naive to think anything GM related will not end up sensationalised eventually.

by Anonymousreply 46911/11/2017

Yeah Well, he made som effort to ensure that.

by Anonymousreply 47011/11/2017

The thing is nobody can tell the truth without breaking some level of confidentiality, albeit doctor confidentiality is certainly especially important. So we can't have the truth without somebody misbehaving. Like that prison ward who got 6 months jail time for spilling it about GM being on suicide watch

by Anonymousreply 47111/11/2017

THESE POST SUCK AND YOUARE THE DUMDEST GROUP ON DL. THIS IS NOW THE GMFOURM

by Anonymousreply 47211/11/2017

^Maybe you should first learn to write before making judgements about other people

by Anonymousreply 47311/11/2017

[R472] So get the F*** out of here and wait for GM forums to be back ( will it ever happen ???? )

by Anonymousreply 47411/11/2017

The truth is out there. There are plenty of people, other than doctors that know the truth and one day someone will talk.

R472 Dumb? Ha ha! Look at yourself!

by Anonymousreply 47511/11/2017

R475 I am not being critical or anything. What is the truth you are looking for? About GMs life post-2013? I think we all know it was a troubled phase, but we dont know what really went on in terms of his health. Otherwise though George and GM HQ tried to paint a different picture, we knew what was going on.

by Anonymousreply 47611/11/2017

The truth in regards of what exctly led to the cause of death, the toxicology report, HIV status, and why and where Fadi slept in his car that night.

by Anonymousreply 47711/11/2017

“It should be available for research.” Lol. The poster who said that is in denial about their desire to know about gm’s therapy sessions.

by Anonymousreply 47811/11/2017

“It should be available for research.” the poster who said that is a nosey sick individual

by Anonymousreply 47911/11/2017

George Michael did not owe an explanation about his health status to any of you

by Anonymousreply 48011/11/2017

The Kenny fans are angry about the doc and the interview. Why should Kenny have been mentioned there? It was about LWP and the time around when Kenny wasn't on the scene...

by Anonymousreply 48111/11/2017

Well too bad for you gm fans, he is not here to say his side of the story. I know most of you want a whitewashed version of the so called story.

by Anonymousreply 48211/11/2017

[R477] Exactly the answers I'm looking for. I will never have closure until I know what happened . Hopefully someday somebody will talk .

I don't get his family . How did they agree to the MURDER of George's songs today on X-factor and nix the idea of a tribute concert is beyond me.

by Anonymousreply 48311/11/2017

I am asking that a Frau please start a GM thread of your own. Label it - George Michael, Frauen Only. The rest of us will not invade.

I am appalled at the doc's wife. How dare she take it upon herself to even talk about GM's sessions with his doctor? No one has the right to that information. No one. Not even her yet she dangles it there, no doubt waiting to be offered a book deal. I believe she is one that would spill it all but there is nothing she can say that I would want to know. That was GM's private business, not for publication.

That being said, I'm not certain that particular doc was a good one for GM. If GM didn't feel comfortable enough with the man to reveal he was cruising, I wonder what other info he withheld. I wonder if their sessions were more like two guys hanging out. I know that some therapists tend to go that route with celebrity clients and/or clients they have seen for a long time. To see someone for 20 years, is a long time and a very, very long time for a therapeutic relationship. I'm skeptical of the good doctor and his motives. I'm even more skeptical of the wife.

by Anonymousreply 48411/11/2017

Has anyone else noticed that George did not mention the fine art photographer in the Kirstey Young interview? Very interesting indeed!

by Anonymousreply 48511/11/2017

Take your "closure" and shove it up your ass

by Anonymousreply 48611/11/2017

#XFactor's Rak-su added "Netflix and Chill" to George Michael's Faith and fans of the singer are FURIOUS

by Anonymousreply 48711/11/2017

The all caps troll above is actually the biggest frau on this site. I hit the ignore button on her several threads ago. Once in a while I skim through her posts though and she is the author of all of those mile long monologues and then once in a while she pretends to be somebody different and has an emotional outburst like above, pretending to be someone else. Thanks DL gods for the ignore button!

by Anonymousreply 48811/11/2017

Kevin Davy White sang Adele's version of "FastLove". WTF. The guy who sang Careless Whisper sounded like Seether's cover of "Careless Whipser" not George's version. So these guys were not covering GM, but covers of GMs songs. Whatever

by Anonymousreply 48911/11/2017

[R486] How about you go fuck yourself and shove your hand down your asshole . Cunt!

by Anonymousreply 49011/11/2017

^ Misogynist Snoopy

by Anonymousreply 49111/11/2017

from twitter

If you live near Highgate Cemetery don’t worry, that’s not an earthquake. Just George Michael spinning in his grave. #XFactor

by Anonymousreply 49211/11/2017

Re: Rak-Su, you have to admit that it was a brilliant marketing strategy. The performance (and hence, the group) is in the news everywhere. Even I watched on YT and I have not been following XFactor at all.

Just the sort of stunts that are now de rigeur in the music industry to make artists relevant. I blame everyone involved with the planning of that stunt as much as I blame the group itself. In this particular case the stunt has backfired because now when I see that name I will automatically turn away. But then, I'm likely not in their target market anyway.

by Anonymousreply 49311/12/2017

Haven't been reading the comments but after getting around to the final interview, I think Fadi was leading up to admitting what his illness really was.

He might have thought he was beating it or was stabilized- maybe even thought he could take it and turn it into another work of art. But all the years of damage from lifestyle and craziness took their toll. He was extremely lucky to make it through the pneumonia and that accident on the freeway. As many have said, it's amazing he lasted as long as he did. He may have had the money to have the best medics and private clinics. But he didn't take care of himself and would swap one addiction for another. You can literally end up wasting years with that kind of shit.

I still like him but not a great role model for anybody. Relying on celebrities to be role models however is a very dodgy game - they don't have very normal lives.

Enjoy the rest of X-Factor kids.

by Anonymousreply 49411/12/2017

Is anybody else really bored now?

by Anonymousreply 49511/12/2017

^maybe you should find a hobby?

by Anonymousreply 49611/12/2017

Even though he still had respect for a few figures I wonder if Fawaz felt 'abandoned' or sidelined by the rest of the industry and that's another reason why there isn't going to be a mass industry tribute?

He did seem very isolated. Some of that isolation however was self-imposed and that is typical of an addict.

From Freedom '90 on, I think he really HAD outed himself by 1998 even if he didn't say so specifically. What he was saying was extremely obvious, I don't know how anyone could have been under any other illusions.

Like many other addicts though he was in extreme denial about that for many years and not open about it. Many addicts defend their habits by trying to say that somehow they are 'different' to most other addicts and their circumstances are special. They even convince themselves of that.

Even though I didn't think much of the way Kenny put his story out there for a payoff, I think he was telling the truth about Fawaz's drug use, and that was a huge part of his deterioration and putting himself in riskier situations. Which he would then try to dismiss or make light of.

Meanwhile, the actual subject of this thread has likely been paid off and gone quiet/awol last time I checked which was long ago but bring on Part XII please... We can continue talking about him.

by Anonymousreply 49711/12/2017

Poster 497 are you referring to George or Fadi because I don't think Fadi is that relevant for industry people to care about. Your statements seem like you are discussing George.

by Anonymousreply 49811/12/2017

^Exactly. This poster has made 2 long posts and seems to be talking about George but using the name Fadi and Fawaz etc instead. R494 , R497 check your posts to see if you got the names right before you post your long essays

by Anonymousreply 49911/12/2017

Tribute for Fadi? What? lol

by Anonymousreply 50011/12/2017

Oh please 499 and 498. Were you both born yesterday?Obviously the poster r497 is being facetious since te title of the thread is fadi not george.

There continues to be one or two posters on here that really struggle with the thread title being fadi saga not George’s saga. I don’t know why they are so OCD about it, but they are. They struggle to understand humour and the fact that it makes the threads easier to find since the topics are continued from the end of one to the beginning of another.

I usually block posters line r497 anyway due to their Verbal diarrhoea.

by Anonymousreply 50111/12/2017

The Fadi Fawaz or the George Michael saga or whatever saga is going to come to an end shortly. His looney Lovelies will go ballistic around XMas time and cry a river of tears and take balloons and candles to the Memorial gardens and pay respect to St George. There is already not much to talk about and after XMas time to bid goodbye

by Anonymousreply 50211/12/2017

A picture of George and his dad

by Anonymousreply 50311/12/2017

Thank God, God stopped keeping score. Can you butcher "Praying For Time" any more than this??

by Anonymousreply 50411/12/2017

My ears are bleeding

by Anonymousreply 50511/12/2017

Shazza cried during this performance and said “It made me miss George so much”

by Anonymousreply 50611/12/2017

For the sillies... These Parts need to retain their original title + new number so that people can have continuity.

This has always been how things are done here. And for good reason.

by Anonymousreply 50711/12/2017

MTV EMAs payed tribute to George

Show finishes with footage of the late, great @GeorgeMichael’s performance of Freedom ‘90 from the very first #MTVEMA in 1994. Nice touch.

by Anonymousreply 50811/13/2017

billboard:

The George Michael closing

No time in a two-hour program for the usual spate of award show in-memoriam tributes, so instead the night closed with a flashback to George Michael's performance of "Freedom '90" at the first EMAs, letting the late pop great echo out over the closing credits. Couldn't ask for a much nicer note to end on.

by Anonymousreply 50911/13/2017

Well I won't be taking any balloons to the memorial garden. I'm too busy eating double chocolate brownies and watching gay porn. I only wish Fadi would reignite his former career. He had talent.

by Anonymousreply 51011/13/2017

Yet r502 continues to remain interested enough to post and wonder about the future.

by Anonymousreply 51111/13/2017

So does this mean there will be no more Fadi gm saga threads on DL after Christmas day. I am sure somewhere in 2018 someone will start a new thread if new gm song is released.

by Anonymousreply 51211/13/2017

Does anyone know if something’s up with the Goring housekeeper Nu?

One of her accusers who sold the story that Nu is letting people in the Goring house has tweeted to Fadi asking for help. Funny since the guy used to post hate towards Fadk, even inciting people to join him and beat up Fadi. But now he wants Fadi’s help

Looks like some people from Nu’s camp have reached out to Fadi as well. Which is also odd considering how Nu has liked a lot of anti-Fadi posts on FB.

Does anyone know what is happening? All players in the Nu drama are reaching out to Fadi. Why? What can Fadi help them with? Seems so odd that both parties are known as non-Fadi sympathizers and now both are reaching out to him

Something’s going on

by Anonymousreply 51311/13/2017

R512. No that’s not what will happen. It’s just a regular obnoxious poster saying that. Ignore the trolls.

by Anonymousreply 51411/13/2017

R513. Seriously? Some of you Facebook drama queen fraus get so into your own weird fan created narratives. Factions and this one likes this ones posts but now they are asking some other faction for help. And omigod why is this one friends with this one now blah blah blah blah blah blah ...

And who the heck are you posting pics of on here r513? Other Facebook users? Good god 🙄. No one cares outside your own drama Facebook faction.

by Anonymousreply 51511/13/2017

R512 The thread will continue as long as the posts continue. It's that simple. Christmas or *new* music or whatever. As for this Paul James character ^. What is he after? A character reference for Nu from Fadi? Huh? Sorry, not sure what he's getting at.

by Anonymousreply 51611/13/2017

R515 I ignored your posts and half of this thread disappeared! So you think you are the lord and master who controls the narrative of this thread?

And jeez ... before you huff and puff and put your parties in a twist, I️ am not a frau. And if you bother to read, you would know this is not FB drama. And boy, such ignorance! I posted a link to Paul James tweet asking help from Fadi, not me posting pics of on here.

People who were against Fadi now trying to win his support. Isn’t that a major shift in the Fadi Fawaz Saga????

by Anonymousreply 51711/13/2017

Upthread somebody was asking about this autobiography of GM - "George: A Memory of George Michael by Sean Smith" It is coming out on Nov 16 2017 and is available now for purchase. An excerpt of it was published in the Daily Mail. Looks like it is just all the old stuff put together again and even in that short excerpt you can see errors. "In May 1997, he was arrested in a Beverly Hills park." -> he was arrested in April 1998. Wonder if it is worth spending 13 euros for this.

by Anonymousreply 51811/13/2017

R517 so what if I’m an active poster on this thread. If you post asinine things about arguments among your dumb twitter posse here I will call it. How many twitter or Facebook posts do you make if you are so heavily involved in that drama?

by Anonymousreply 51911/13/2017

R519 Don’t assume anything in an anonymous forum. I don’t care for either one nor posts anywhere for or against any of these parties. I just saw Paul’s tweet and heard that Nu’s brother reached out to Fadi as well. If you are not interested, scoot along and post your drivel.

by Anonymousreply 52011/13/2017

R519 Given the number of posts you have made on this thread, you should not really be calling out other posters for making posts about what is going on in FB or Twitter or asking them how many posts they make on FB or Twitter. Most of the info posted here in recent months has come for FB, Twitter and Insta posts of the various people around George

by Anonymousreply 52111/13/2017

The Spaz Troll was the only interesting thing about this thread.

by Anonymousreply 52211/13/2017

Rumours in London that there is an unreleased song GM wrote in 2016 about Fadi, called The Last One.

by Anonymousreply 52311/13/2017

right r513 r517, r520 (same person) I’m not interested in your posts about fans fighting fans so I will hit the ignore button. Feel free to do the same.

by Anonymousreply 52411/13/2017

After nearly 12 parts of talking about, or not talking about FF, I wondered if this was still going on at Twitter. Went back to look and I can't believe that all these months later, they are still going on about the same topics. Very repetitive and boring now.

I wouldn't bother with any of them. As far as I'm concerned they're all trolls and troublemakers, on both sides. That includes this Paul James guy. Some of them are sneakier than others - they start out seeming nice, but sooner or later end up showing their true colours and causing more division. They try to deny that they're haters, but obviously favour one side over the other in giving support, and keep calling attention to the bickering.

There are liars, cons, opportunists, fantasists, frauds nearly everywhere and some that are just plain not in touch with reality and demented.

Here it's just plain hilarious that people are too self conscious to post under the name of 'George Michael' so they continue to discuss him in thousands of posts under a title about somebody who's a nobody and only trolls interested in. He's not doing too bad though getting all that attention. Where is he now? Australia, UK, or in Beirut? As if it makes a difference for any of us.

by Anonymousreply 52511/13/2017

poster 525 is giving me an headache. what in the world are you talking about, my goodness.

by Anonymousreply 52611/14/2017

^^ You obviously missed post 523, then. Or you'd have an upset stomach as well.

by Anonymousreply 52711/14/2017

[523][525] true to everything you both posted. Another poster also mention blocking out a particular poster and have the comments don't show up. I was wondering why the tread would show 2 replies and when I look to view them nothing can up. So this individual was doing most of the posting on this subject matter?

by Anonymousreply 52811/14/2017

R525 they are still going on about the same topics. Very repetitive and boring now

like your posts?

by Anonymousreply 52911/14/2017

R523 Rumours in London that there is an unreleased song GM wrote in 2016 about Fadi, called The Last One.

Bahaha

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X Factor viewers BEG Sam Black to stop singing as they accuse acts of "murdering" even more George Michael songs

X Factor fans furious as Grace Davies becomes second act to break MAJOR rule during George Michael week

by Anonymousreply 53011/14/2017

All these people still in the FF saga/mess are seedy as hell, or batshit crazy and everyone else is damn sick of them. But they still try to keep this prolonged and mess with others. A few of them seem to be trying to become net famous like that Angela Spanos woman (forgot who she was, had to look it up again) on this issue. One crazy b with a few thousand followers (I don't know how but she also had big peroxide hair and enormous artificial boobs) was posting psycho rubbish every day. I think she got a few suspension notices and then decided to move on to something else. But people feed the nonsense and give them what they're looking for.

I don't know how it's all been worthy of the countless postings on social media and 10+ series on DL with it all crossing over. Hasn't achieved anything slightly constructive. But that's all you get on this topic with someone who would usually be a D list individual.

by Anonymousreply 53111/14/2017

A good question to ask is why the George Michael threads on DL perished and people keep posting on what R531 describe as a D list individual

For US fans, expect this to be a critical look at George Michael’s life:

George Michael's life as an international superstar comes to a mysterious and tragic end on Christmas Eve 2016. What happened the night he died? Watch 'How it Really Happened with Hill Harper' Sunday Nov. 19 at 9PM ET/PT on HLN.Source: HLN

by Anonymousreply 53211/14/2017

Omg Twitter is full of nutters..Fadi's army trolls (haven't seen them in a while though,they kind of faded when Fadi did ), George's number one stalker I kissed George in the mouth Claudia who accuses Alex's number one ass licker Tonia of trying to be famous and using Alex for selling calendars for charity.Lots of drama between lovlies . Lol if you have time you can spend the whole day there..

by Anonymousreply 53311/14/2017

[R532] Will they tell us something we don't already know ? I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 53411/14/2017

Why are you here, R531?

by Anonymousreply 53511/14/2017

That Claudia woman is weird, I followed her on Twitter for a while because I thought it might lead to some insder info on George as she seemed to have lots of personlal shots with him. She had some sort of strop though and I got fed up of her: turns out she's just a stalker fan not anything to do with GM. Anyone who hangs round outside someone's house has to be a bit delusional. He must have hated her.

by Anonymousreply 53611/15/2017

[R536] Imagine the poor man's eyes rolling every time he came home and saw her there again. The crazy cow even went to his childhood home and trespassed to take photos. She acts like they were close friends and even claims she knew his mother (translated: One time his mother happened to be there on one of her stalking expeditions).

He really did attract some pathetic, sad, obsessive losers. His first mistake was being so nice to them. It's like feeding pigeons.

by Anonymousreply 53711/15/2017

^This Claudia woman considers herself to be GMs No 1 fan of all time. God the arrogance and the non-stop stupidity of some of these fans is mind boggling. Every now and then she posts those pictures she took with GM over the yrs standing in front of his house. She has a whole bunch of fans fawning over her as if she had some direct line to God. If you looked at these fans posts you would think George was Saint, Angel, God all rolled into one. The FB groups they run can literally make you sick with the non-stop posts of his pictures with inspirational quotes photoshopped onto them. They just lack any sense and perspective.

by Anonymousreply 53811/15/2017

Yes, agree about the Facebook groups. One group I used to follow removed people for mentioning anything negative at all., or even having a discussion about anything. I can't see the point of a group where the only posts allowed are those which are blind worship. It's possible to be a massive fan of someone and still be able to see their faults as well as their attributes and discuss them.

by Anonymousreply 53911/15/2017

THE SPAZ TROLL FUCKING LOVES THIS THREAD

WHY DO YOU ENCOURAGE HIM?

by Anonymousreply 54011/15/2017

Does anybody know what this is about? This guy has been continuously tweeting about this for some days without revealing any info.

Harry Hall‏ @harrygeorgehall LOOK LISTEN WATCH The Freedom Project. Starring 15 inspirational young people. Coming in 2018. #ThisIsMyFreedom

Harry Hall‏ @harrygeorgehall Nov 13 Tomorrow, 8am. @GeorgeMichael #ThisIsMyFreedom

by Anonymousreply 54111/16/2017

Harry Hall is the photographer commissioned to do the Freedom Project.

They solicited for stories from people a few months ago (Sept) that they can feature. The official GM page on Facebook has been posting photos of these people selected and snippets of their stories.

As you can see from the FB post of the official GM page, it is coming out in 2018. What is coming out is not clear

Sorry to the divabitch who hates my posts derived from FB (oh I forgot, I am ignored! Yeah me!)

by Anonymousreply 54211/16/2017

R542 Thank You. Looked at the FB page now. I was looking for the info on the official Twitter account of GM. They should have put it there too. Dont worry about that divabitch, she does not own this thread

by Anonymousreply 54311/16/2017

FLOWERS FROM GEORGE

George Michael, who died last year on Christmas Day, was one of Smith's idols. Though they never met, Smith said Michael was a fan of his music.

"He sent me flowers one year and he was in touch a few times, and said that he liked what I did. ...He was really supportive of me. But I never got to meet him," Smith said. "He just holds a really special place in my heart ... he was the reason I decided I wanted to do pop music, and I just loved how human he was."

"I loved how we went through genres," Smith added. "He was his own genre. If he sang it, it's a George song."

- [bold]Sam Smith[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 54411/16/2017

Evening Standard - ‘George Michael will be turning in his grave’: X Factor viewers hit out at contestants 'ruining' star's music

by Anonymousreply 54511/16/2017

The new biography about Fadi Fawaz doesn't look like it has much new insight or information in it, from the preview excerpt.

The forum is still shut down for use. I believe the administrator shut it down voluntarily. If it was a legal problem, I believe the web or actual forum host would have received complaints and suspended/terminated the site or put their own notice up. The site actually looks like it is based in Germany. Since the members don't pay fees the administrator is likely within rights to shut down without notice. They might have decided to make some changes but this is a very prolonged period for 'maintenance' so I'd say issues within the community itself prompted it.

The administrators of the forum were too heavy handed I felt in some areas, while completely overlooking others. It's not always an easy responsibility however and there has been some truly toxic behavior in the past year. People appear to have been left to their own devices and it's got a bit out of control.

by Anonymousreply 54611/16/2017

Hmm... ^. I've no interest in said forum, but the timing of the shutdown was suspiciously close to the LWP re-release.

by Anonymousreply 54711/16/2017

[547] The George Michael Forum was down for "maintenance' was during the Project Angel Food gala. When the family send a client to receive George's awards. That site has been down since that weekend.

by Anonymousreply 54811/16/2017

This thread has been dull since the second part of the interview came out, now it is just a few posters arguing back and forth about stalker fans and gm fan sites. I guess I will have to check back if I am still interested in gm gossip when a new revelation about him comes out by one of his sexual conquests or when a new song is released

by Anonymousreply 54911/17/2017

[R546] I haven't heard anything about a Fadi biography. Is this for real? Who is writing it and why?

by Anonymousreply 55011/17/2017

Might be worth a watch. The clip shows his old manager Kahane and the PR guy from the FAITH days speaking. What insight they can offer on GMs last days? Whatever happened to that TV movie that was being made and the actor that played Fadi posted on his Instagram months ago. No sign of it at all

by Anonymousreply 55111/17/2017

Kahane was interviewed somewhere shortly afer GM died. He said something odd like that what GM had to do to tour again was 'get his head together'. He went on to say 'noone was allowed to speak to him after he got out of rehab, so I've no idea what his state of mind was at the end.' I'll try to find the article. Pretty sure those were pretty much his words.

by Anonymousreply 55211/18/2017

R552 I dont know where you read that. As soon as GM passed away Kahane said a friend had asked him to call and talk to George and he had called him in December. George played some new songs to him and they both planned to meet in Jan 2017

by Anonymousreply 55311/18/2017

^Here is a reference to what Kahane said in Jan 2017

by Anonymousreply 55411/18/2017

So GM was going to have a meet-up with Rob Kahane in January. He was also supposed to meet up with Andros after the first of the year. I believe Kahane. Don't believe Andros.

I understand David Austin, the Kemps, and the PR machine keeping up the fiction that all was fine and GM was in glowing health, dining out 5 nights a week, working on his new songs 7 days a week....I don't believe that this was happening but I know they are all invested in presenting a picture of George as robust and vigorous. I don't understand why Kahane is perpetuating this. What has he to gain by it?

Of course the other option is that DA, the Kemps, the PR Machine, and Rob Kahane are all telling the truth and GM was a bundle of health and vibrancy until about 2AM Christmas morning. If his health was so good, why is he dead? OD? Maybe. If he was in the picture of health and not ill at all, was it suicide? The fiction surrounding his life and his death is exhausting but I can't let it go. I keep waiting for someone to break ranks and spill it all but at the same time I don't want anyone to do that. I want GM to have some semblance of peace and privacy which he was not afforded in this life.

I'm not trying to open a suicide debate. I am trying to comment on the fact that even Rob Kahane is saying how everything was fine with GM. Clearly, it was not.

by Anonymousreply 55511/18/2017

So it looks like Fadi is back in London ... and still lives in Regent Park. Guess we have to get used to the idea that he will be in RP for years to come

by Anonymousreply 55611/19/2017

R555 That's what I feel... Thank you for saying it so well...

>The fiction surrounding his life and his death is exhausting but I can't let it go. I keep waiting for someone to break ranks and spill it all but at the same >time I don't want anyone to do that. I want GM to have some semblance of peace and privacy which he was not afforded in this life.

by Anonymousreply 55711/19/2017

Upthread I mistakenly posted a quote I thought was from Rob Kahane. The guy was in fact Gary Barlow - ex PR for GM and was also in Elton's roster for a long time. No idea at all what his credibility is.

I also feel that people still in the music business are just going to keep up the 'GM was lovely and generous and what health issues?' line as long as they are in the business. They don't want to lose clients who see them as big mouths and GM had an awful lot of people playing his PR tune. Anyone who goes near anything looking like the truth risks being marginalised because the official 'image' thing just ran so deep for so long.

by Anonymousreply 55811/19/2017

Think that guy is Gary Farrow ^ though I've seen his name misprinted a few times as Barlow and also Barrow, too. Pretty sure it's supposed to be Farrow though.

by Anonymousreply 55911/19/2017

And here's the link to the article Farrow is quoted from at R552.

by Anonymousreply 56011/19/2017

Andrew Ridgeley was at tonight's Bananarama show. Maybe he and Keren are still together?

by Anonymousreply 56111/19/2017

Didn't he deny this recently? ^

by Anonymousreply 56211/19/2017

R558 As others have posted it is his ex-PR guy Gary Farrow. His daughter Debby is GMs godchild and George was quite close to them at one time. You mistakenly mentioned Gary Barlow who of course in lead singer of "Take That". GM said a few things about him which were not nice in an interview once. But Barlow has been quite gracious and paid tribute to George after he passed away.

by Anonymousreply 56311/19/2017

So american music awards are not playing tribute to GM.

by Anonymousreply 56411/19/2017

Bother me

Tell me awful things

George Michael and Lil Peep hooked up in LA once. They're together now.

by Anonymousreply 56511/19/2017

Did anybody by chance record the HLN GM documentary? I would like to see it. Or at least what is your impression? Was there anything new and decent said?

by Anonymousreply 56611/19/2017

[566] I did watch the documentary and it was ok. They did not mention his Sony lawsuit, LWP and Older album. They discuss the same thing that is present on DL. WTF was Perez Hilton and Dr. Drew being interviewed made no since to me, but DL prepared me for this scandalous rag of a doc.

by Anonymousreply 56711/19/2017

It actually started quite good. Simon Napier Bell & Rob Kahane, Rolling Stone contributing editor Anthony DuCurtis, former publicist Phil Lobel, CNN interviewer Jim Moret. They talked about the time period they were involved with GM -- Wham particularly role of Andrew in the group (Andrew was there for emotional reasons - George needed him there), George's tendency to be alone after shows, how happy he was with Anselmo.

Then it started going into DL territory - M1 crash may be suicide, questions on what really was the problem that led to Vienna hospitalization, heroin addiction, long Swiss rehab stint means serious addiction problems. 999 call, questions on Fadi's claim he slept on the car and the hacked tweets, showed the death certificate but mentioned the tight secrecy of the toxicology report. Vintage DL. Disappointed that they had to rely on Perez Hilton for this segment.

It will be replayed at 4 pm EST on HLN tomorrow

by Anonymousreply 56811/19/2017

They also featured the 2012 Maldives trip and alluded to the bridge fall. And there we were on here saying it was the Spaz Troll making shit up.

by Anonymousreply 56911/19/2017

Link anywhere or a recording?

by Anonymousreply 57011/19/2017

R569 Lol, maybe they read DL before... And there we are seeing the Spazz Troll making it to the tv with his made up shit...

by Anonymousreply 57111/20/2017

R569 They also featured the 2012 Maldives trip and alluded to the bridge fall

WTF?

by Anonymousreply 57211/20/2017

Outrage as George Michael mural defaced in Sydney after Australia votes for gay marriage

by Anonymousreply 57311/20/2017

James Arthur pays tribute to George Michael and sings Careless Whisper (Leeds Arena 16 Nov. 2017)

by Anonymousreply 57411/20/2017

interesting article posted by [R560}. Jamie is clearly Andros' son, saying the GM was like a second father to him. Weird to say that when you haven't seen or spoken to the person in over 10 years. Since Jamie also said that GM spent Christmas with them until Jamie was 10, I question his recollection because it doesn't fit with what I've heard regarding the falling out. GM and Andros hadn't spoken for 18 years. Jamie is 24 so that would have made him 6 when GM kicked Andros to the curb. So maybe GM continued to spend Christmas with them but I doubt it. I also notice that Jamie kept referring to him as "George" in the article. I saw tweets from him around the time GM died in which he referred to GM as "Yog" and talked about how much he would miss him. Yep. Andros' blood runs strong in that one.

The heroin rumor troubles me. I've heard it coming from several places so I'm inclined to consider it. Not necessarily buy into it, but consider it. If heroin is a factor then an unintentional OD is a real possibility, especially since he allegedly had OD'ed in the past. It might also explain the family's insistence on not releasing toxicology rep.

What do you all think of the heroin rumor?

by Anonymousreply 57511/20/2017

R575 He wasn't allowed to see anybody after the Swiss rehab and became reclusive because he didn't want people to see him bloated... but he hosted wild parties in the weeks before his death... This article is full of rubbish.

by Anonymousreply 57611/20/2017

R575 especially since he allegedly had OD'ed in the past.

When?

by Anonymousreply 57711/21/2017

The heroin rumors were in the tabloid papers when he was alive and it was restated again when he died. All you need to do is Google George Michael heroin addiction and it will come up.

by Anonymousreply 57811/21/2017

Any links anywhere to the HLN documentary? I see the legal team have ensured it has not made it to YouTube...

by Anonymousreply 57911/21/2017

In other Breaking News Fadi has deactivated his Twitter account again for the zillionth time.

by Anonymousreply 58011/21/2017

Nooooooo ^!

by Anonymousreply 58111/21/2017

But not before leaving these gems to haters and deluded lovelies ...

by Anonymousreply 58211/21/2017

David Cassidy has died

George wrote 'The Last Kiss' for David Cassidy and sang backing vocals

by Anonymousreply 58311/21/2017

David Cassidy, George Michael and Mike Nolan

by Anonymousreply 58411/21/2017

interview of David Cassidy by George Michael

by Anonymousreply 58511/21/2017

Fadi was given the Regent's Park house plus 20 million pounds. He will stay there as long as he wants and the lovelies have to get over it.

by Anonymousreply 58611/21/2017

R582 And not before swearing at Etihad Airways, obviously. They reminded him 'to avoid using inappropriate language in adherence with our house rules so that we can assist you further'. Priceless!!!

by Anonymousreply 58711/21/2017

He was not swearing to Ethihad but to a deranged Lovely

by Anonymousreply 58811/22/2017

No-one has found a link to the HLN piece yet? And how do we know Fadi received RP and 20 million pounds?

by Anonymousreply 58911/22/2017

I don't think the RP and 20 million pounds are true. But if it were, then there would have to be a lot of secrets they told Fadi to never tell and paid him well for it.

by Anonymousreply 59011/22/2017

Could be true that Fadi was left the Regent's Park - and that's why he was able to go to Australia without fear he'd be locked out of the house.

I have heard rumors that the will was opened in August, and the lawyers have been sorting everything out for the next two months. So this perfectly aligns with the rumor I heard.

by Anonymousreply 59111/22/2017

591 is hearing voices.

by Anonymousreply 59211/22/2017

Time to roll over again...

by Anonymousreply 59311/22/2017

George was a victim of Fentanyl. He'd taken so many opiates in the past that he thought he'd be fine with a relatively large amount, but sadly that wasn't the case.

by Anonymousreply 59411/22/2017

Lil Pump sings about GM in his top three hit Gucci Gang:

I'm George Micheal, my voice reach for miles

I be fucking models like I'm Harry Styles

by Anonymousreply 59511/22/2017

I've heard the fentanyl rumors as well. Many hardened heroin users have been caught out - Prince was one of them.

If only Fadi had slept with George, he would have realised earlier that he was in an opiate coma and got him help.

by Anonymousreply 59611/22/2017

I wouldn't doubt anything when it comes to this sorry saga. Decades of lies and more lies and yet more lies. Great music, completely delusional lifestyle.

I'm curious, though. Prince was always tiny and we all know about his opiate dependence. Smack has never been my scene, but really is it possible to be a serious smack head and be that overweight? Even allowing for good knows what other meds, that's a pretty serious amount of weight to be carrying for a heroin user I would have thought.

I get that an independent, family-funded autopsy team and a herd of lawyers would have challenged the crap out of any 'drug overdose' finding, but if he arrested or whatever while in his opiate coma, why not just list the damn thing as cardiac infarction or blah. That certificate is still rather the mystery - and rather suspicious.

by Anonymousreply 59711/22/2017

If all the heroin rumours are true, it's even more farcical that GM made a point of singling out opiates as a group of drugs he'd never got into during that recently-aired radio piece. And very nasty indeed to have labelled MJ and Prince as 'vulnerable' and himself as 'sane'. The guy would have been so much better off actually dealing with his prolific drug addiction when things started to go south after Older (more south, that is).

by Anonymousreply 59811/22/2017

Love the poster who 'heard rumours' about 'the will' being read in August. As if they heard anything.

by Anonymousreply 59911/22/2017

Whenever my relatives have died the will is opened immediately. There may have been instructions for the burial in there. Nobody lawyer waits 8 months after someone has died reveal the contents of the will to the executers.

by Anonymousreply 60011/22/2017
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