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Mackenzie Phillips

Is she a liar?

by Anonymousreply 60012/13/2017

Oprah is big again

by Anonymousreply 109/17/2017

She was a consenting adult when this happened so that's on her. She certainly milks this bad choice for all it's worth, don't she?

by Anonymousreply 209/17/2017

She is totally disgusting, and I doubt that she's telling the whole truth.

I'm always amazed at how someone with a long lost career decides to write a book to "heal" themselves, and especially when the accused is no longer living.

by Anonymousreply 309/17/2017

The entire side of the Phillips clan has cut off all communication with her.

by Anonymousreply 409/17/2017

As a grown adult, she continued to sleep with daddy dearest. There was even a question about the paternity of her son.

I think she's pathetic, and starved for attention and cash.

by Anonymousreply 509/17/2017

I knew the basic details, but didn't follow the story closely. What, if anything, did Michelle Phillips have to say about this?

by Anonymousreply 609/17/2017

So Michelle Phillips doesn't talk to her? That's rich coming from her and all the shit she has done.

by Anonymousreply 709/17/2017

She's an addict. He was an addict. She's telling the truth.

by Anonymousreply 809/17/2017

R7 Michelle Phillips was quite vicious and said since Mackenize had a needle permanently in her vein 24/7 she doesn't know what she is talking about.

by Anonymousreply 909/17/2017

She's an addict and her family distances themselves because of that. The gross sex with daddy happened, too.

by Anonymousreply 1009/17/2017

OP, you remind me of Charles Boyer in that Ingrid Bergman movie [italic]Gaslight[/italic].

by Anonymousreply 1109/17/2017

She spouts all this narcissistic nonsense about healing and that if this book can help one other person tripe. No celebrity who has written a book about their problems, gone public with their addictions or revealed their diseases has ever helped one single other person besides themselves, their pocketbooks and their own bottomless egos. Enough with the unseemly soulbaring!

by Anonymousreply 1209/17/2017

It might have done me some good 20 years ago. Too late now.

by Anonymousreply 1309/17/2017

R12 what about Patty Duke who wrote her book to help others with bi-polar disorder?

by Anonymousreply 1409/17/2017

I stand corrected, R12. I loved Patty Duke and she is the exception. And she should have played Meryl's role in August:Osage County. It still kills me she never was given a film comeback role.

by Anonymousreply 1509/17/2017

The neurotypical brain is not more qualified to judge what constitutes good acting than the non-neurotypical brain.

by Anonymousreply 1609/17/2017

Maybe she's secretly proud of her lifestyle, and thinks we're all just jealous. Ya know, sleeping with all those famous rock stars .........

by Anonymousreply 1709/17/2017

It's amazing with all of the money Oprah has to hire people, and while owning a weight loss company, she cannot lose weight.

However I think there have been studies on people who diet and the findings show extreme dieters have significantly reduced metabolism where they can eat very little without gaining. Perhaps that's her issue too.

by Anonymousreply 1809/17/2017

Funny that, a black man I was standing behind in a grocery checkout line told me that she had those "Aunt Jemima" genes specifically bred for gaining weight and that if she didn't include intermittent fasting into her eating plan, she will gain the weight back. See also: fat Southern white lady genes.

by Anonymousreply 1909/17/2017

🍞 [italic] But....I Love Bread!

by Anonymousreply 2009/17/2017

But bread doesn't love you, girlfriend!

by Anonymousreply 2109/17/2017

I wish that she would show up at the Orphanage with those Aunt Jemima eyes, holding a tray with a huge stack of fresh, piping hot pancakes smothered in real butter and Maple syrup.

by Anonymousreply 2209/17/2017

The video is from April 2016. Has Oprah gained or lost weight since last year? (I can't keep track.)

by Anonymousreply 2309/17/2017

My husband was paired the Mackenzie Phillips on $25,000 Pyramid. He said she was terrible and cost him the game.

by Anonymousreply 2409/17/2017

The only two people who know what really on are Mackenzie and John, and since he's not here to address the allegations, we only have Mackenzie's story to go by. I can't imagine why anyone would come forth with such sad and tawdry allegations, even if there was an assumption that it would boost book sales. If she wanted to heal, why not write it in a private journal? And if she wanted to help others, she had enough other experiences to share without including consensual incest. She has siblings and other family members who have to live with this now, in addition to fans of The Mamas and the Papas who can never think of them the same way.

by Anonymousreply 2509/17/2017

her book High On Arrival is shocking and a page turner. I believe her. Her father was a tortured hippie genius junkie who would do something like that. Mackenzie's performances on One Gay at a Time are groundbreaking and too good for the material.

by Anonymousreply 2609/17/2017

Is she a woman? Then yes.

by Anonymousreply 2709/17/2017

[quote] what about Patty Duke who wrote her book to help others with bi-polar disorder?

Patty Duke was not using her horrendous past as the reason to pluck herself out of obscurity.

by Anonymousreply 2809/17/2017

One Gay at a Time

by Anonymousreply 2909/17/2017

I believe her. Just because she's a drug addict doesn't make what happened to her false. It also seems to explain how she got addicted in the first place. I'm sure her family hates her for telling on them. Shame on THEM.

by Anonymousreply 3009/17/2017

Her siblings are all weirdos too - Bijou is a Scieno, Tamerlane is a kook obsessed with some guru, Chynna is a born-again Christian. I believe Mackenzie and I wouldn't be surprised if the others were exposed to some crazy shit growing up.

by Anonymousreply 3109/17/2017

Patty Duke was not having sex with her father.

by Anonymousreply 3209/17/2017

[R27]Grow up.

by Anonymousreply 3309/17/2017

R30 totally agree. I come from an abusive and dysfunctional family and the denial on both sides goes back generations

by Anonymousreply 3409/17/2017

I believe her.Why would anyone reveal something as deeply unflattering as that just to sell a book?I've read the book and trust me,there is more than enough sensationalism to have made it sell,without the incest revelation.Besides she's still a victim.It is ALWAYS the parental figure at fault in incest cases,I don't care what the age.John Phillips initially raped her while she was unconcious.Look,I loved The Mamas and The Papas as well.That hardly supercedes writing truthfully about a deeply troubled man who just happened to be her father.And part of an addicts healing is to tell the whole truth and if that helps others heal at the same time,then great!I think her book probably means a great deal to some incest survivors out there.Just because she made some money on the book doesn't make her a mercenary.Noboby writes a book to lose money.

by Anonymousreply 3509/17/2017

It happened.

by Anonymousreply 3609/17/2017

Has 😕 Mackenzie ever started any threads on DL?

by Anonymousreply 3709/17/2017

Is Mackenzie still friendly with her half-sister Chynna Phillips?

by Anonymousreply 3809/17/2017

I'm waiting for her to come out as a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 3909/17/2017

On the other hand, there is out 50-year-old Glenn Scarpelli- Mackenzie's replacement on ODAAT, who is perky and happy with the life choices he's made. He apparently has made a short film with Phillips and even promotes her book here.

by Anonymousreply 4009/17/2017

I believe her.

by Anonymousreply 4109/17/2017

Shortly after her initial oprah appearance Denny Dohertys daughter contacted the show and told them that Denny found out/knew what happened when he and John were still alive and was horrified when he learned about it.

I remember Mackenzie saying sometime back her oldest brother was not on speaking terms with her.

by Anonymousreply 4209/17/2017

R42 None of the Phillips family is talking to her. She has been cut-off from the family

by Anonymousreply 4309/17/2017

I've always treasured my parents, and these threads always make me even more grateful for their love and protection.

by Anonymousreply 4409/17/2017

I believe her. I watched a few interviews with John back in the eighties and nineties. He always came off as having no shame about all the damage he did to his kids with his drug use. He was the type to do whatever he felt like when ever he felt like it. It's not a stretch to believe that a very drugged out person with no conscience would do this. Michelle was often interviewed along side him and was open about how much his shitty parenting pissed her off. I realize the shooting up in front of your young children is a far cry from raping them, but I find it odd that the family is so defensive of him. He was known to be a horrible neglectful irresponsible father before this. It's not like he had an upstanding reputation like Bill Coseby used to. She hasn't really hurt the Philips family brand.

by Anonymousreply 4509/17/2017

I believe her, too.

by Anonymousreply 4609/17/2017

He's vile......he had no qualms about passing her around to his fellow musician friends.

by Anonymousreply 4709/17/2017

I haven't read Mackenzie's book but it's pretty typical for an abuser's family and others outside the family to rally around the abuser (whether living or dead) and vilify the victim. Just another shitty part of the abusive dynamic.

By the way, Patty Duke discussed being sexually abused as a minor but I don't recall her getting flak for it. The perpetrator was someone on The Patty Duke Show.

by Anonymousreply 4809/17/2017

Die in a grease fire, R33.

by Anonymousreply 4909/17/2017

Mackenzie's father shot her up the first time she mainlined, so she gets a lifetime pass as far as I'm concerned. Fuck John Phillips. Oh, and while we're on the topic, fuck Michelle Phillips, too - that bitch not only started fucking Phillips when she was 16 and helped break up his marriage to Mackenzie's mother, but the bitch also spent most of the 60s and 70s stoned herself so she's got a lot of fucking nerve pointing a finger at her former stepdaughter.

by Anonymousreply 5009/17/2017

I recall Mackenzie on celebrity rehab and remember her as one of the more likeable patients who was serious about getting well. Mike Starr was in that season too, I think. We know how he ended up.

by Anonymousreply 5109/17/2017

r51 So was Mindy Macready and she had a seizure in front of Mack who thought she was kidding. I liked her too.

by Anonymousreply 5209/17/2017

Actually this interview was from last year. In recent 2017 interviews promoting a new book on managing addiction and recovery, mackenzie revealed she's now reconciled with her family. She even posted photos on her personal fb "Mack Phillips" of spending Labor Day Weekend with her siblings (with the exception of Tam who's in Brooklyn and Chynna who was at a family wedding)

by Anonymousreply 5309/17/2017

R53 Mack said Bijiou is speaking to her. Has that changed?

by Anonymousreply 5409/17/2017

[R54] Yes, she is still speaking to Bijou - here's a pic Mack posted visiting her after her liver transplant

by Anonymousreply 5509/17/2017

I think bangs accentuate her horsey face. I'd try growing them out. I actually feel bad that this is the only way the woman can make a buck. I believe that she's not 100% sure of a sexual relationship with her father. So many mind altering drugs, it's possible it was all just a twisted mind fuck hallucination. Or they were so fucked up on drugs and did have sex. Who know, who cares, I think she believes it really did happen. She needs to try to get a steady gig for an income and to keep her focused and clean. She needs to put the whole train wreck that she survived behind her, and move on. She'd be good in a sitcom, she has talent and a sense of humor.

by Anonymousreply 5609/17/2017

R56, actually mackenzie is doing very well for herself. She became a counselor at Breathe Life Hollywood Center in West Hollywood, and wrote a book on managing addiction and recovery called "Hopeful Healing". She's always busy with events and is often a keynote speaker. She just got back from New York and Kansas after speaking at Kansas City University and attending an Albany benefit dinner. Also, she's guest-starring as a therapist in season 2 of Netflix's reincarnation of One Day At A Time. Considering all, she's doing fantastic. While Michelle said her other siblings have "successful careers" that Mackenzie is jealous of, she's actually having the most success - Bijou hasn't acted in over 5 years and Chynna hasn't released original material from Wilson Phillips since the 90s - their last album composed of cover songs.

by Anonymousreply 5709/17/2017

[quote] here's a pic Mack posted visiting her after her liver transplant

An life threatening illness does bring families who feud back together

by Anonymousreply 5809/17/2017

That's great news, R57. She really does seem like a good person. Unfortunerly with a lot of problems due to the circumstances of her childhood. I did read one of her books a few years ago, the name of it escapes me. But she seems like she's decided to survive this. I'm happy for her if she's found the road to a happy life and is staying on it. Her father was a a druggy pig. But the strong and smart ones put the upsetting parts of our childhood's behind us and live our lives.

by Anonymousreply 5909/17/2017

R58, that's not what I'm saying - it just so happens to be the time when the pic was taken. Bij was in Chicago and Mack and Owen (cass Elliot's daughter) were visiting. Here's Mack with bijou, her older brother Jeffrey, her two nieces and one of their's fiancé during Labor Day weekend. Also, this pic was taken at Mack's house. Thankfully they've reconciled and she's now in a very loving situation with them.

by Anonymousreply 6009/17/2017

yet Michelle Phillips has still not let by-gones be by-gones

by Anonymousreply 6109/17/2017

I see two bags of chips behind Oprah's chair. Maybe O is eating more chips.

by Anonymousreply 6209/17/2017

wasn't one of the Phillips girls married to accused rapist and clam Danny Masterson?

by Anonymousreply 6309/17/2017

R63, yes - bijou is still married to Danny and converted to scientology with him. Bijou came under fire years ago after an interview with a magazine for adopting the pro-Scientology idea anyone who is prescribed anti-depressants "should stop being such a f***ing pansy and get over it"

by Anonymousreply 6409/17/2017

Well, she at least is consistent with enabling rapists.

by Anonymousreply 6509/17/2017

Dammit Julie! Stop fucking your father!

by Anonymousreply 6609/17/2017

With all that she's gone thru, she has always come across to me as a genuinely nice down to earth person , and I've always heard the same. Which has always made me much more sympathetic to her troubles vs, say, a Lindsay Lohan, who has always acted like an entitled bitch and I've seen it in action, too.

She was funny and self-aware on that ODAT reunion they did about a decade ago now (time really flies). She couldn't believe how much everyone shouted and she says she can't look at herself in those shows because she looks like one big zit.

Speaking of her looks, when she was at her most addicted she was also scary skinny (can you imagine the rags today on that subject?) does she address in her book whether that was all the drugs or did she have an ED on top of that.

About Tam, all I know is many years ago he friended me and a bunch of my friends (none of whom he knows) on FB and boy does he post some weird fucked up shit. I would not put any stock in the fact that he doesn't talk to her.

Or Michelle for that matter. She was always a selfish opportunistic cunt.

by Anonymousreply 6709/17/2017

Yup, Michelle is a fucking cunt. Has anyone seen recent pics of her? She has gone full on granny.

by Anonymousreply 6809/17/2017

Aging's a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 6909/17/2017

Guess her anti-aging methods of staying out of the sun and eating healthy didn't stick... no longer the slim blonde beauty. Stained teeth, thin hair...

by Anonymousreply 7009/17/2017

R67 actually mackenzie is speaking to tam. They're friends on Facebook (he's commented on posts a few times) but yeah I think he's schizophrenic and living in Brooklyn. Even bijou (his full blooded sister) mentioned she doesn't see him much

by Anonymousreply 7109/17/2017

Meanwhile Mack's here with glen scarpelli just recently and I think that she looks much better now than she ever did when she was young!! Clean and sober looks wonderful on her

by Anonymousreply 7209/17/2017

She looks just fantastic!! What a bright smile

by Anonymousreply 7309/17/2017

Someone asked about Chynna. I recall Chynna making a brief call into The Larry King Show voicing support of Mackenzie and stating that she believed her, but wanted little publicity otherwise.

I always got the feeling Chynna was also molested by John. It would make total sense. I also suspect Mac knows but was protective of Chynna's privacy.

by Anonymousreply 7409/17/2017

R74 chynna didn't have much of a relationship with John when she was younger because of his drug use (Michelle kept her away after a bad visit to his and Genevieve's house where blood and needles were everywhere that she had to go to therapy) but bijou lived with john from the time she was a child until a teen (she moved to New York all alone at 14 and intermittently returned home) so she was probably more likely to have been molested like Mack... that entire family just wants to keep up appearances. I don't know how they could revere someone like that. John always seemed to be very charming but manipulative

by Anonymousreply 7509/18/2017

I assume Michelle's primary concern is the M&P legacy/revenue stream

by Anonymousreply 7609/18/2017

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if John messed with Bijou as well.

Bijou just happens to end up married to a guy who not only is in a cult (Scientology) but also is accused of drugging and raping multiple women--even allegedly strangling and bashing one over the head with a lamp during the rape.

And yet Bijou is still with him. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of behavior was normalized to her because of her father. It's a bad situation...

by Anonymousreply 7709/18/2017

Have there ever been any stories about Ryan O'Neal pulling a John Phillips on his own daughter Tatum?

O'Neal is a known selfish creep and there's a weird vibe in some of his pics with Tatum...

by Anonymousreply 7809/18/2017

Seriously, how can anyone doubt Mackenzie's story?😬

by Anonymousreply 7909/18/2017

Okay, seriously can't look at any more pics of these two...

by Anonymousreply 8009/18/2017

Also: Michelle Phillip's childhood best friend Tamar Hodel was a girl raped by her own (Tamar's) father and Michelle had to testify for her friend at the notorious rape/incest trial in Hollywood as a young girl (the friend's father, George Hodel, was a popular doctor/abortionist to the stars and best friend of director John Huston--and is rumored to be one of the main suspects in the Black Dahlia murder).

It seems like Michelle, Mackenzie, and now Bijou (in their own ways) are part of a weird cycle of incest and rape connected with that family line that hasn't stopped.

by Anonymousreply 8109/18/2017

Oops, sorry^^ Tamar Hodel became Michelle Phillip's "mentor" when Michelle was just a teen, Michelle didn't testify at her incest/rape trial against her father, George.

Michelle learned all about it though (Tamar's trial and rape by her father at 16), from Tamar, and said that Tamar was her best friend and "idol".

by Anonymousreply 8209/18/2017

R81 and according to Michelle's own admission in a vanity fair article Tamar would also sleep with Michelle's dad who ended up marrying a teen himself

by Anonymousreply 8309/18/2017

Even more convincing is this 1982 magazine shot

by Anonymousreply 8409/18/2017

Okay, [R84], that's beyond creepy. I think I threw up a little in my mouth....

by Anonymousreply 8509/18/2017

Ewww the way he's clutching her here

by Anonymousreply 8609/18/2017

R85, I know right?! That's why it makes me so mad that strangers say she's lying to sell books.... the creepiness is evident in photos alone!!

by Anonymousreply 8709/18/2017

[R83], those are some bizarre facts😮 It seems like Michelle has been around weirdos her entire life!

I think the person upthread is correct in saying that Michelle may personally believe Mackenzie's story, but she's a pragmatic bisinesswoman and doesn't want that "bad press" to ruin the lucrative "Mamas and Papas legend"...

by Anonymousreply 8809/18/2017

[R87], the photos are difficult to even look at...

by Anonymousreply 8909/18/2017

R85, and these two at their rehab stint

by Anonymousreply 9009/18/2017

For anyone who has read Mackenzie's autobio: who was her mother and *where* was she when John was shooting Mack up with drugs and fucking her??

by Anonymousreply 9109/18/2017

Second pic of their stint

by Anonymousreply 9209/18/2017

R91 her mom was in an abusive marriage - mackenzie and her older brother Jeffrey hated their stepdad so much that she left home at 12. Her mother only left the marriage when Mack was 18 and living alone at Laurel Canyon

by Anonymousreply 9309/18/2017

[quote]Yes, she is still speaking to Bijou - here's a pic Mack posted visiting her after her liver transplant

Which one had the liver transplant?

by Anonymousreply 9409/18/2017

R94 - my mistake, it was a KIDNEY transplant. And it was bijou. Because Genevieve was a cocaine junkie even while pregnant bijou was born prematurely and had to be in an incubator. She was born with really small kidneys and has had problems for years and had to go on dialysis. She's not even 40!!

by Anonymousreply 9509/18/2017

Thank you, [R92]! That's really sad about Mack's mom; so basically she had no one to look out for her or guide her since she was a small child...

by Anonymousreply 9609/18/2017

Ugh, [R90], poor Mackenzie! Her dad was obviously the dominant personality and was probably creeping on her since birth...

by Anonymousreply 9709/18/2017

R84 oh my god I've never seen that pic that's gross - John looks like he's sniffing her!!

by Anonymousreply 9809/18/2017

R81 R88 totally agree - I've seen so many interviews with Michelle where she's casually discussing outlandish, crazy anecdotes and stories and proceeds to laugh like it's all some kind of big funny joke. Honestly what she considers to be normality is just plain weird... I remember once she was talking about catching chynna and her friends doing drugs (I think it was pot) and then joining in with them like it was totally normal. No wonder chynna said how she'd raise her kids differently...

by Anonymousreply 9909/18/2017

R81, I saw Michelle on one of those ghost shows talking about the Hodels. She didn't just say she believed the incest allegations, she flat out said it happened. Her denial about Mackenzie's allegations seems odd, especially given the world she and her dad inhabited.

by Anonymousreply 10009/18/2017

R100 Tamar Hodel came out after mackenzie revealed the abuse and said she believed it happened. She watched Mackenzie and Michelle perform in the "vagina monologues" years back and mackenzie acted a monologue about incest - Tamar said that "had no doubt she [mackenzie] was talking about herself." Michelle just discredited Mack to protect John and the band's legacy. I find that bizarre since she had no problem dissing john while he was alive. In a vanity fair article she even admitted john beat her up so badly once that she had to go to hospital, yet she defends him as a "good man" once mackenzie speaks her truth and labels Mack as a drug-addled liar. Such vitriole. Michelle's always been rather entitled, vapid and arrogant - I think being so overblown as a "flower child" got to her head

by Anonymousreply 10109/18/2017

Here is a pic of Michelle with a very young Chynna Phillips; I can only imagine the "interesting" childhood Chynna must have had with Michelle for a mother and John Phillips for a father...

by Anonymousreply 10209/18/2017

I want to hear more about Bijou Phillips! Did she really fuck producers at the age of 15?

by Anonymousreply 10309/18/2017

*Very* interesting info, [R101]! The comments from Tamar Hodel about Mackenzie are extremely telling. Thank you for your post! (And again, poor Mackenzie :(

Michelle comes across a bit like a femme fatale--stunning looks but with a heart of ice underneath...

by Anonymousreply 10409/18/2017

Michelle and young Chynna with Warren Beatty...

by Anonymousreply 10509/18/2017

Oh man, little baby Bijou with John 😬😬😬

by Anonymousreply 10609/18/2017

R104 totally - always found her, albeit beautiful, to be cold and calculating... I don't know how to describe it, I just feel like there's something disengenuous about her. In Denny's one-man show "Here I Am" - Denny recollects cass finding out about his and Michelle's affair and telling him "she doesn't care about either of you [denny and john]. All Michelle cares about is herself!" Even when she was having an affair with john, I think she said something about susie (Mack's mom) in a documentary like "once I looked at her I knew it wouldn't be much competition" and went to susie's door telling her "you may as well give up now". So full of herself.

by Anonymousreply 10709/18/2017

R105 - another weird Michelle anecdote re Warren Beatty : she made him go to to a gynaecologist appointment with her once for absolutely no reason whatsoever (not pregnant or anything). Poor dude was so uncomfortable and she was confused as to why he wasn't more relaxed about it. Like seeing a doctor look up your girlfriend's parts is a normal everyday thing...

by Anonymousreply 10809/18/2017

R106 honestly it wouldn't surprise me if he had a thing for bijou too that dude had zero boundaries

by Anonymousreply 10909/18/2017

VERY interesting assessments of Michelle, R104 and R107!

Another interesting factoid from the Michelle Phillips profile in "Vanity Fair": she and Tamar Hodel were good friends with Sue Lyon at the time the latter was auditioning for "Lolita". Unlike Tamar and Michelle, Sue was much less sexually experienced, so it was ironic that she ended up with the role.

by Anonymousreply 11009/18/2017

Heck, I was watching an ODAAT opening (on Logo) maybe a couple weeks ago and there was a clip of Mac (it was the season opening right before she was booted) like wiping sweat of Schneider's face with a towel, and knowing what I know it seriously grossed me out.

TBH, all of Julie's romance plot lines grossed me out. I know she was somewhat "loose" but still it stretched credibility a lot that all these guys could "fall" for Julie. I mean she looked really gross back then, especially the year or so before she got fired.

by Anonymousreply 11109/18/2017

That's where shooting on videotape came in handy. Film would have magnified all of that even more so.

by Anonymousreply 11209/18/2017

I remember an episode where Robby Benson came over to visit Julie and fell for Ann's allure. Who wouldn't with Bonnie Franklin running around braless?

by Anonymousreply 11309/18/2017

[quote]Who wouldn't with Bonnie Franklin running around braless?

You mean besides Alex?

by Anonymousreply 11409/18/2017

R11 I always thought that without drugs mackenzie was actually very pretty. it was when she got addicted that her healthy looks started to squander and she looked painfully thin and sick

by Anonymousreply 11509/18/2017

R111 and here with candy Clark for her 18th birthday - she looks pretty!

by Anonymousreply 11609/18/2017

R115 I think you mean R111 not 11...

by Anonymousreply 11709/18/2017

Michelle has such weird connections to things: Black Dahalia, Helter Skelter. Is there something that connects her to the JFK Assassination or Watergate?

by Anonymousreply 11809/18/2017

Someone mentioned John Huston up thread. Of course he was in Chinatown where he played a man who raped his daughter.

by Anonymousreply 11909/18/2017

Whatever happened to Candy Clark?

by Anonymousreply 12009/18/2017

I've always felt bad for Mackenzie. She was doomed from the beginning but the fact that she's still alive and looks great is a testament to her strength.

She was absolutely charming in American Graffiti. It's such a gem of a performance and watching it now, it's a bit sad knowing what would happen to her only in a few years. She was also great in her first few years on One Day at a Time.

I remember the story she told on 20/20 about how Mick Jagger fucked her when her dad stepped out. She was basically passed around and I have no doubt that her father knew. Mick is another pig who seems to get a pass for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 12109/18/2017

R121 - absolutely john knew. The story originally came out in an 1990s interview - the reporter was a friend and Mack told it to her "off the record" after the interview and next thing she knew the reporter made it the headline or something. In a 1995 interview john said, when asked to talk about it, "I'm not going to get into that - that's Laura's [mackenzie's actual first name] story to tell - but what I will say is that we sat around laughing afterwards". Sicko.

by Anonymousreply 12209/18/2017

r122 wow, that's disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 12309/18/2017

She's a bitch but her sister is a bigger bitch

by Anonymousreply 12409/18/2017

Here's the Vanity Fair article on Michelle Phillips. She grew up with no rules or boundaries, hanging around the Hodel house (god only know what happened there), breaking up marriages as a teen. And the Phillip kids...what terrible childhoods! Michelle seems to have been a decent mother but John and his other wives were horrible. Tam and Bijou were severely neglected and their mother used heroin while pregnant. Michelle managed to get one of them away from them but not the other (the full story is in the article.) Bijou has been living on her own since she was a young teen. Her teeth rotted and she had to get dentures because no one ever taught her to brush her teeth (that's not in the VF article and I can't remember where I read it.). Danny is a creep and I feel bad for her being sick and married to a jerk like him.

Chynna has been in a mental hospital at least a couple of times. I agree with R174, I think she was also molested but MacKenzie is protecting her privacy.

Mackenzie really seems to have overcome a lot to be an even remotely functioning person.

by Anonymousreply 12509/18/2017

The case for undersharing

by Anonymousreply 12609/18/2017

[quote] By the way, Patty Duke discussed being sexually abused as a minor but I don't recall her getting flak for it. The perpetrator was someone on The Patty Duke Show.

Her managers.

by Anonymousreply 12709/18/2017

Another Vanity Fair article that addresses the incest allegations. Michelle will neither confirm nor deny.

by Anonymousreply 12809/18/2017

R126. There's a difference between over sharing and honestly discussing an important issue that needs to be brought to light.

We all like to make fun of Oprah but she did bring about a big change in the way we think about and talk about sexual abuse. People never used to acknowledge that problem and she brought a lot of awareness to the issue. Betty Ford was one of the first public figures to discuss addiction and it changed the way people viewed it.

Jada Pinkett Smith discussing the details of her sex life is over sharing. Jennifer Lawrence talking about puking at a party is over sharing. Bringing awareness to incest and other sexual abuse so that victims realize they aren't alone is not over sharing.

by Anonymousreply 12909/18/2017

R129, I take your point, honestly. But the problem is that she's emphasized that it was consensual. Which I think does a disservice to the millions of people whose abuse most definitely couldn't be considered consensual: they still need someone to speak up for that kind of experience.

by Anonymousreply 13009/19/2017

R126 she actually reframed her use of the word "consensual" in later interviews after the initial 2009 oprah interview. She said she realised john groomed her to believe it was consensual because she didn't kick or fight or scream (obviously because she was drugged and past out for the majority of the time while he raped her). Now she realises there's no such thing as consensual incest because of the inherent power a parent has over their offspring. She now knows she's not to blame or complicit and that she was molested because of John's sick drug abuse and warped mindset. Probably undiagnosed mental illness for John there too

by Anonymousreply 13109/19/2017

R130 she actually reframed her use of the word "consensual" in later interviews after the initial 2009 oprah interview. She said she realised john groomed her to believe it was consensual because she didn't kick or fight or scream (obviously because she was drugged and past out for the majority of the time while he raped her). Now she realises there's no such thing as consensual incest because of the inherent power a parent has over their offspring. She now knows she's not to blame or complicit and that she was molested because of John's sick drug abuse and warped mindset. Probably undiagnosed mental illness for John there too

by Anonymousreply 13209/19/2017

R125 Michelle only got custody of Tamerlane for a bit before john and Genevieve manipulated and spun around their tale as loving parents to get him back to the judge. Tamerlane is now schizophrenic and obsessed with some weird Indian guru. They finally got him on medication and a stay in a center after he put a knife to his mom Genevieve's throat. Chynna retold the story in an interview last year for some mental health awareness event. Chynna's emotionally fragile too I think - she's been in therapy since a bad home visit to john and Genevieve when she was 7 and had nightmares afterwards and would get dressed for school at 3am (there was heaps of drugs and blood on the walls and it scarred her) - that encouraged Michelle to put up a distance. Also chynna had a drug and alcohol addiction too when she was a teen. Her boyfriend was a dealer but then one night she says she looked at her face in the bathroom mirror and it was green so she finally realised she had to stop. That's why she wrote "hold on". Unlike Mackenzie though she quit when she was 18 for good because john wasn't around to provide her with drugs like he did to Mack when she had bouts of sobriety

by Anonymousreply 13309/19/2017

You're good R131. For the record, I don't doubt Mackenzie in any way. It always makes me laugh when people say she should get a sitcom or whatever. She's very old news, bad news and quite unattractive. That she auditioned and tried and stayed in the game as much as she has while remaining sober these last years, shows how far she's come. She did lie more than a few times about being clean, including the "tour" she did with her creepy father after they came out of rehab. She has been sober for maybe less than a decade and she's almost 60 years old. I don't think the book was a bad move, she needed money and probably wanted to help people, but her self interest can't be separated from her altruism. She has to live with that doubt.

by Anonymousreply 13409/19/2017

R134 actually someone earlier posted a pic with her and Norman Lear and I actually think she looks much more attractive than her drug-addled days!! Unfortunately the majority of pics of her on the internet aren't that flattering since she was high in pretty much all of them. And no, you're wrong - she's not trying to "stay in the game". She's now a rehab counselor and is just doing a couple of guest spots in the season 2 of ODAAT on Netflix, but she's not actively pursuing acting. She wrote a book called "hopeful healing" about managing addiction and recovery and is often a key note speaker or a part of many gala/benefit dinners regarding rehabilitation.

by Anonymousreply 13509/19/2017

R125 oh and after he basically threatened to kill his mother and finally got medication and help, Genevieve had the audacity to say "don't do that it'll ruin his creativity". What a fruit loop

by Anonymousreply 13609/19/2017

I got a hold of John's autobiography and was struck by how immature he was when describing sexual stuff. He was very "wink wink nudge nudge" when bringing up his adventures. Talk about arrested development.

by Anonymousreply 13709/19/2017

R137 I remember being freaked out by some of his descriptions of Mack - I remember reading stuff like her "outrageously provocative getups" "long stretching body" "slinky teen" "sexy wink" "she had the ability to strut with a natural sexual intensity" an anecdote of her having sex on a plane and some other weird stuff that was just plain strange coming from a father.

by Anonymousreply 13809/19/2017

R100 another odd fact about Michelle's relationship with Tamar is that Tamar was suicidal at one point and wanted to kill herself so Michelle stayed with her as she overdosed on pills as part of "being a good friend" until John came home and called an ambulance to save her. Honestly Michelle seems crazy too. Who the hell supports their supposedly best friend's suicide??

by Anonymousreply 13909/19/2017

My friend got to meet her last year! Incredibly kind and gracious. I think she looks beautiful here!

by Anonymousreply 14009/19/2017

Michelle is such a sick fuck. She absolutely trashed Mack when asked about the incest allegations. She only changed her response after she received public backlash. She knew damn well what John was capable of.

Lisa Robinson can't stand Michelle and I love her for that (and her writing too, of course).

by Anonymousreply 14109/19/2017

I met her at an autograph show a few years ago (don't judge me!) This was after her book came out and I had some reservations at the time about her revelations. She was incredibly open, warm and friendly, and when I mentioned a mutual friend she almost started crying because he was so dear to her. She won me over completely.

by Anonymousreply 14209/19/2017

Yeah, that story is bizarre, [R139]. That's not how you "help" a suicidal best friend.

It's creepy that crazy ass *John* had to be the one to save Michelle's best friend from death by suicide! That story (and many other strange tales throughout the years about Michelle having (or showing) no emotion in what were very intense and emotional situations (like the loss of friends and being so cold to Mack in her time of greatest need) make her sound like she may have sociopathic tendencies.

The suicidal best friend story reminds me of another woman who was in the news recently...

by Anonymousreply 14309/19/2017

That's a great story, [R142], thanks for sharing! I root for Mackenzie and love hearing stories like that!

by Anonymousreply 14409/19/2017

R141 absolutely - Michelle should've been the one to support her! She knew about it for many years!! What has Lisa Robinson said about Michelle?

by Anonymousreply 14509/19/2017

R142 and R144 - she's an absolute sweetheart! She was on an episode of the doctors yesterday helping a heroin and meth addict (and offering her a stay at the rehab center she works at) and at the end says "come on pumpkin we've got to get you to the hospital". She's divine. A beautiful person inside and out

by Anonymousreply 14609/19/2017


Shut up fat guts, go have YET another operation

by Anonymousreply 14709/19/2017

Thanks for correcting me, R127.

I've heard way too many horrible stories over the years about children and adolescents being exploited at every level of the entertainment industry that it beggars belief that anyone would want to work therein. I mean, Patty Duke was the star of her own TV series and didn't have anyone looking out for her-- that's so messed up.

by Anonymousreply 14809/19/2017

R140, is your friend Tiffany?

by Anonymousreply 14909/19/2017

R120, Candy Clark ended up on Twitter like everybody else.

by Anonymousreply 15009/19/2017

Lisa Robinson is not a journalist. She's a pathetic fangurl.

Candy Clark showed up on Twin Peaks Season 3 as Robert Forster's wife. It was brief - and unmemorable.

by Anonymousreply 15109/19/2017

Maybe Michelle took that stance because admitting to the public that she believed Mac meant also admitting that she played a role in letting it happen and saying nothing?

by Anonymousreply 15209/19/2017

[quote]Lisa Robinson is not a journalist.

Who said she was a journalist?

[quote]She's a pathetic fangurl.

I think she's a good writer. I enjoy reading her stuff.

by Anonymousreply 15309/19/2017

R152 Michelle and John had been divorced for around a decade when this abuse started. Mac was an adult by then. There isn't much she could have done. She kept him away from her kid and took custody of Bejeaux for a while. She was trying to get a Mommas & Poppas movie made for a while. Maybe she thinks this hurts the chances of that happening. Maybe she's just so sleeved by the idea of she's in denial. Probably a combination of both.

Does anyone else remember John getting a liver transplant and then getting caught drinking in bar? I think I remember video footage of this on a Hard Copy or Current Affair. Not the worst think he did but still bad.

by Anonymousreply 15409/19/2017

R154 yeah Howard stern asked john about it and he said "I was just trying to break in the new liver". Miracle he made it to 65

by Anonymousreply 15509/19/2017

I've written this in a previous Mackenzie thread. There isn't enough money in the world, nor enough attention for even the basest of attention whores to write a tell-all book like that unless it's true. Nobody would want to admit such a thing if it was a lie. In one interview, one of the major reasons she claimed for coming forward was she couldn't believe she was the only person this could have happened to, that there MUST be other people out there, and sharing her story was the only way she felt she could shed her guilt and thus finally, possibly, get sober for the rest of her life. And by other people, she knew many young women had been molested by their fathers, but had never heard of any who felt they were being consensual. It's why she lied about everything previous. Think about it.

And I'm sure it's still a difficult thing for her to live with. Which is why she still slips every now and then.

by Anonymousreply 15609/19/2017

I was watching a Cass Elliot documentary in honor of her 76th birthday and according to Michelle when she told the band she was pregnant John replied "So when's the abortion?" What a terrific guy. And at the end they put up this photo of john and Mack from 1998 at the rock n roll hall of fame induction... actually a sweet pic of both of them but still creepy now we know what we know.

by Anonymousreply 15709/20/2017

God, he was vile scum.

by Anonymousreply 15809/20/2017

R157 oh and just to clarify john's response was when cass told the band she was pregnant with Owen; Michelle just repeated the story in the documentary (the way I worded it some people might misinterpret and think that it was Michelle announcing her pregnancy with chynna)

by Anonymousreply 15909/20/2017


'Hold On' is about battling a drug addiction?! Wow! The more you know.

by Anonymousreply 16009/20/2017

R160 yeah at the time hold on came out all she said was "I was going through a tough time in my personal life" and mentioned she got into alcohol badly during her teens. Then a few years after she said she "dabbled" in drugs until she finally admitted one or two years ago while her and billy were doing interview rounds on addiction and mental health that she did indeed get into drugs as a teen and wrote the song as a catharsis while trying to get her life back on track.

by Anonymousreply 16109/20/2017

Mac also dated Peter Asher who was at the top of the recording industry because of his producing for Linda Ronstadt. Her first marriage was to a guy who was a gofer for the Rolling Stones and he tried his hardest to make her a recording star. We hear the story often. No talent husband latches onto a Hollywood star and takes her for all she's worth. He was working her at the same time she was doing ODAAT and it reportedly worsened her drug addiction. After their divorce, someone involved with ODAAT said that Mac married the most talentless person in the industry.

by Anonymousreply 16209/20/2017

R162 yeah peter asher wouldn't divorce his wife with whom he separated a few years before and then after he and Mackenzie broke up he married a woman who was Mackenzie's assistant for a while (super weird but anyway). Jeff sessler was the deadbeat - I wonder if he's still alive? Heard a rumor he died a couple years back but don't know if it's true...

by Anonymousreply 16309/20/2017

Shows you the hippies were really bad parents. They were supposed to be a rebellion against the disciplinarians and squares of the 50s but they were just bad in a different way.

by Anonymousreply 16409/20/2017

She had terrible posture on a recent episode of Battle of the Network Stars.

by Anonymousreply 16509/20/2017

R164 exactly but they don't see it that way. I remember Michelle saying once how the government made psychedelic drugs like LSD illegal to "take away all the fun away" and would laugh over the craziest stories in M&P docs and even ones about Mackenzie and them exploiting her (like in the Virgin Islands sending her to beg for food or how john would give her a 4am curfew when going clubbing at 12) thinking it was totally normal. Also R165 mackenzie was diagnosed with scoliosis as a kid and had to have a back brace for a year + she suffered from chronic pain so maybe that's got something to do with it....

by Anonymousreply 16609/20/2017

Papa John was ruled by his huge dick. It had no scruples or boundaries. He fucked who got it hard, regardless of who the person was in his life. (BTW, an orgy involving Jane Fonda is recalled in his book.) For maybe 1 year he was pretty good looking, but his looks went south very fast.

When he was busted for his drug scheme at that pharmacy, he couldn't wait to turn informant and dime on his former friends.

Really a vile human being who wrote some great songs.

by Anonymousreply 16709/20/2017

R167 yes he was quite handsome during his pre-drug days

by Anonymousreply 16809/20/2017

Is it safe to assume that Papa John molested all of his daughters?

by Anonymousreply 16909/20/2017

The ones that he knew about, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 17009/20/2017

R120 candy here with Mack back in 2013. Sweet pic of them both

by Anonymousreply 17109/23/2017

Aww, that is a sweet pic, [R171]; I'm glad that the Academy included her in a celebration of that film!

by Anonymousreply 17209/23/2017

R164 My parents were hippies and my upbringing was nothing like this. I knew lots of hippie kids who's parents had rules and boundaries. John was an extremely selfish person. His psychopathy would have manifested in other ways if there hadn't been a hippie movement. Bing Crosby and Jerry Lewis beat their kids and drank heavily. There are plenty of stories of sexual abuse in conservative religious groups.

I don't think John was really a hippie. He just kind of dressed the part for record sales. SF hippies hated If You're Going to San Francisco. They thought the Mommas and Poppas were posers. Michelle was raised in a free spirited bohemian way. If there had been no counter culture, she probably still would have still been living that kind of life. She just would have been on the fringes instead of the mainstream.

by Anonymousreply 17309/23/2017

R4 she's reconciled with her family again, as a matter of fact

by Anonymousreply 17409/24/2017

R5 there was no question about the paternity of her son, it was another baby she had aborted. Also, how horrible you call someone who suffered molestation, rape and resorted to self-medication through drugs "pathetic". Try surviving years of abuse like she did and how you would behave. Mack found out from others years later that the abuse actually started much earlier than 18 but that she had suppressed it as a child. She's not attention-seeking or trying to make money, she's now actually devoted her life to recovery and has become a substance abuse counselor at a treatment center. She also wrote a book on managing addiction and recovery called "hopeful healing" and is an integral part of many galas and events (usually the key note speaker) relating to addiction and rehabilitation. She still does some minor stuff on the side like filming season 2 of Netflix's new ODAAT playing a therapist, but she's no longer pursuing acting and has found a new vocation. I say brava, not "pathetic". Have some compassion. I don't think I'd be able to survive such trauma and come out better and stronger like Mack has.

by Anonymousreply 17509/24/2017

R7 I know right, michelle was dubbed "the female warren beatty" for years. In one interview she had the audacity to condemn Mia Farrow and call her fake for "pretending to be my friend" while sleeping with John yet she completely ignores the fact she was best friends with Sharon Tate and screwed Roman while Sharon was pregnant and slept with Denny to make John jealous despite knowing how much Cass loved him and that it'd destroy her. She's such a hypocrite - forthright and opinionated towards everyone and anything else but takes the moral high ground on her mistakes and transgressions to paint herself like some model citizen. Honestly she's so overblown just because of her 1960s beauty... takes credit for everything; even pedestalising herself that she was John's "muse and he was lost without me" yet doesn't consider how much she enabled him during their marriage by acting like a hoe the entire time. And then when someone said "what do you think of when you look at yourself in the mirror" she went "lucky" and made some comment about chynna like "she's attractive just like her mother". Ugh, so vain and conceited - try to be humble. No wonder now she looks like an inflated chipmunk. Now she's trying to get an M&P biopic greenlit titled "Michelle" which will be full of self-indulgent crap painting her as an angel and perfect.

by Anonymousreply 17609/25/2017

R176 geez you're right - these are from 2016 and she looks scary!

by Anonymousreply 17709/25/2017

Her hairs thin too

by Anonymousreply 17809/25/2017

Never thought Mackenzie would look so good. She's on the far right in this pic and looks gorgeous!!

by Anonymousreply 17909/25/2017

R179 absolutely!! She did an interview in march 2017 about addiction and recovery and briefly mentions she and her fam are back on track, here's the link - looks vibrant here too. I love her hair!

by Anonymousreply 18009/25/2017

She's such a cutie pie!

by Anonymousreply 18109/26/2017

Her and Val in 2016... beautiful photo!

by Anonymousreply 18209/26/2017

Mack looks great; there's a real light in her eyes (for the first time in forever) and she looks genuinely happy as well as healthy.

It's heartening to see, and I wish her nothing but the best in life and much continued success.

by Anonymousreply 18309/26/2017

She had every excuse to be the cautionary tale of a child star that either over doses or never gets their shit together. She appears to be doing well. Good for her. It seems that revealing the rape/molestation at the hands of her father has helped with her sobriety. It's also good to know that she has relationships with the siblings that she was once estranged from.

by Anonymousreply 18409/26/2017

R183 and R184 - agreed; I know there was heaps of backlash from people saying she should've kept her mouth shut but it seems that it was actually the best thing for her. Albeit tough at the beginning particularly from her family and the public's response I doubt she would be in the phenomenal place she is now both professionally as a counselor as well as mentally and emotionally in having finally triumphed over her trauma. Just her bright smile and spark in her eyes shows she's finally recovered from her pain and the damage her father did

by Anonymousreply 18509/26/2017

R185 always a silver lining to the darkest cloud... turning pain into purpose

by Anonymousreply 18609/26/2017

Oprah was a complete fucking cunt to her when she first came on. And days later Whitney was obviously lying her ass off to Oprah about being clean, and Oprah went along with it with a smile.

by Anonymousreply 18709/26/2017

R187 and you'd think that with oprah being a victim of molestation herself she'd be more empathetic and compassionate. And in the 2016 catch-up when Mack said she was naive in thinking her family wouldn't cut her off oprah was like "mackenzie how could you think that wouldn't happen it's your dirty laundry!" Yeah... incest and sexual abuse is definitely equal to "dirty laundry"

by Anonymousreply 18809/26/2017


Very well said.

by Anonymousreply 18909/26/2017

That doesn't surprise me about Oprah. At the end of the day she is a businesswoman and a classist. Obviously Whitney was more important an interview for her because it was really the first time Whitney had spoken about her life post-Bobby and post-rehab. So, of course Oprah had to be nice to Whitney "to make her feel comfortable" (in other words, not cancel). Mackenzie was obviously not as big a star as Whitney (or as rich) so for Oprah, she probably thought Mack would be grateful to be interviewed by her.

by Anonymousreply 19009/26/2017

R12 well you're wrong she's now working as a drug and alcohol abuse counselor and recently released a book on managing addiction and recovery called "hopeful healing." Don't be so auick to judge based on a minutes-long youtube clip

by Anonymousreply 19109/28/2017

R03 don't be so cruel - she's not "disgusting" - she was dependant on him and craved his affection and hence was torn between wanting to please him and wanting to reject his advances. John was one of those egomaniacs that made you feel like you disappointed him if you didn't do exactly what he wanted. The whole reason that Mack's siblings didn't speak to her for years was because they were trapped in the cult of their father. They probably still are - they all seem to be very forgiving (and forgetful) of his transgressions, and not just the incest, but his behavior and bad parenting in general. Especially the stepmothers Michelle and Genevieve who both admitted (and John himself in his autobiography) that they suffered domestic abuse and mental trauma perpetrated by him. He didn't even bother having a relationship with chynna until the 90s when Wilson Phillips got big (of course he made an effort now that his daughter was famous); and Bijou was shipped off to foster homes while she was a child and when john would go on the road; and she said on Howard stern that their relationship got rocky once she was a teen because she wasn't idolising him so "he wasn't into it". Even Mackenzie said that only when she got big on one day at a time did john want her around more to brag to his friends. But of course, to the public the family are all like "he was a good man blah blah blah". In the book "the oral history of the mamas and papas" Michelle's interview rips john with her basically saying what a terrible man he was and how she was glad she didn't have anything to do with him anymore since he was dead and that he was "wicked" and all this crap, and yet she blasted Mackenzie... horrible woman who cared more about her legacy than her stepdaughter's wellbeing. Typical self-serving narcissist just like john. Couldn't stand admitting she fell in love and married a molesterer.

by Anonymousreply 19209/29/2017

R192, ugh Michelle is such a traitorous manipulative snake

by Anonymousreply 19309/29/2017

Mackenzie recalls confronting John after the initial rape:

"Months later, in New York: The room was dimly lit. My father sat in a rocking chair. I said, “Dad, we have to talk about how you raped me.”

He said, “Raped you? You mean when we made love?” And that statement, more than anything, captures my father. He wasn’t a liar. He wasn’t in denial. He didn’t try to blame me. None of the tricks or excuses you’d expect an abuser to make. He simply lived without rules. If sex happened, and nobody protested, it was consensual. If sex happened between a father and a daughter, and nobody protested, there was no problem. If it felt good, it could be done, and if nobody put a stop to it, it could happen again, and again, as often and whenever it was convenient for him.

by Anonymousreply 19409/29/2017

R194 sex is a biological/physical reaction so yes at times it would have "felt good" - I watched an interview with two men who were molested by priests as children and one of the reasons they didn't come forward until years later is because their body would respond and they would get aroused and have an erection even though mentally and psychologically they knew it was wrong and felt disgusted but they couldn't help the physical reaction. That's part of the cycle of guilt and shame because the mind can't control the physical reaction of being stimulated

by Anonymousreply 19509/29/2017

R194 and R195 I think Mack was talking about john rather than herself - she said most of the time she'd black out and wake up afterwards so obviously it was him who was the one enjoying it

by Anonymousreply 19609/29/2017

R192 and R193 discrediting your former stepdaughter is one thing but saying she "has a lot of mental illness" is unforgivable and horrific. I thought Michelle had a lot more class than that but clearly not. So cold and cruel.

by Anonymousreply 19709/29/2017

R190 If you can find the Oprah interview, it's quite amazing. It's really as if Michelle Phillips talked to Oprah just before it started and convinced her that Mackenzie was lying.

Then, I think even in the same week, Whitney Houston was on with her, no audience, of course. Whitney was speaking in the hoarse, halting way people speak when they're on drugs, talking about how she was clean. Oprah laughed along with her, never once questioning it, and it was so very obvious that Whitney was still in trouble. Oprah was presenting it as this big recovery story. It was a joke.

When Mackenzie wrote her book, she hadn't spoken of her father's molestation to any professional. Therefore, she presents it as a mutual thing. While she was doing the book tour, she learned that the balance of power between and parent and child makes that impossible. He clearly was manipulative, and took advantage of Mackenzie's drug abuse and need for him to love her. He was a sick, sick guy.

by Anonymousreply 19809/29/2017

R197 - I'm glad you brought that up because Mack's not at all mentally ill - her siblings are. Her brother Tamerlane is schizophrenic and Bijou was diagnosed a "bipolar with psychotic tendencies" as a teen. Bijou mentioned this in this old interview and also said how at 2 years old John and her mother Genevieve would leave her alone in the house at night while they would go swimming. John seems like a great guy.

by Anonymousreply 19909/29/2017

Whether she's telling the truth or lying, she's always been one crazy bitch.

by Anonymousreply 20009/29/2017

R200 she is honest and truthful about her father's abuse and is not a "crazy bitch" - how could you say something so awful about someone who suffered so much trauma in her life? She was abused by her father and suffered much trauma through out her life, include a rape at knifepoint at 14. I'd like to see how well you'd recover if you suffered as much as she did... she's finally turned her life around and has been sober for nearly a decade and is now a counselor. Have some empathy

by Anonymousreply 20109/29/2017


Where does the crazy bitch come from? I don't think Mack is a crazy bitch. She's battled with addiction. She's had a very traumatic life. But, even at her worst I never thought she was a crazy bitch. I'm genuinely curious why believe that she is a crazy bitch. I'm surprised that she made it to the 'other side' clean and sober. It's not easy to do and something that she'll continue to struggle with for the entirety of her life. However, she appears to be in a good place. And, if sharing the truth about what happened between her and father got her to that place of peace good for her.

R199 I'm not surprised about Bijou. She did marriage a disgusting rapist/clam in the same mold of her father. Her 'bipolar with psychotic tendencies' might even explain why she cheated on Sean Lennon with his best friend since childhood. And, started to date him. No sense of boundaries growing up in such a fucked up family with Papa John as your father.

by Anonymousreply 20209/29/2017

R202 on Howard stern one of bijou's ex boyfriends was on (can't remember his name) and he was saying that after he dumped her, bijou got her friend to call him up and say "Bijou has AIDS" as some kind of sick joke. Maybe she's mellowed now but in the 90s and early 2000s bijou was flipping nuts

by Anonymousreply 20309/29/2017

Elijah Blue Allman called Bijou " some 3 o'clock slop" on Howard Stern.

by Anonymousreply 20409/29/2017

r201 r202 The fraus have flown in to roost in the thread.

by Anonymousreply 20509/29/2017

R204, I think I need an interpreter for that one

by Anonymousreply 20609/29/2017

R206 basically a late-night booty call

by Anonymousreply 20709/29/2017

R206 really? She had complained about him doing her wrong. She said they had a serious thing going, and he just dropped her.

When Howard asked him about it, he said " she was just some 3 o'clock slop" meaning to him she was lime a last resort to fucknat three am if you weren't with anyone else.

by Anonymousreply 20809/29/2017

Papa John got revenge after Mackenzie was raped by a stranger:

"The day after the rape I went home to my dad’s house. That night Quincy Jones’s daughter, Jolie Jones, was at Ben Frank’s on Sunset, a diner where we’d hang out and ditch the check. Jolie heard two guys talking about how their friend had raped Papa John’s daughter. Jolie told Quincy, and Quincy told my dad. Dad took a shotgun and disappeared for a day and a half. I have no idea what happened, and I never asked.

I think, in a way, that I don’t want to know anything more, because I don’t want to learn anything that might change what I found out then: In a moment of crisis, Dad wanted to save me. In some primal way he wanted to protect me, to rescue me. I clung to that as evidence that for all the lax parenting, for all the hitchhiking to school and empty refrigerators, for all the joint-rolling and coke- supplying, I had a father who cared. I packed up and stored away the rape with dispassion, but I cradled that memory—Dad dashing out the door with his shotgun in a rage—as proof of his love."

by Anonymousreply 20909/29/2017


I'm just a single, gay guy living in Philadelphia, who doesn't happen to think Mack is a crazy bitch. I was genuinely interested in discussing the topic of her being a crazy bitch. But, I can understand why you would think I'm a frau. I guess you don't have to be a frau to be a frau.

by Anonymousreply 21009/29/2017

I think in his own screwed up way john did really love and adore Mack as any father would, but he was so sexually confused and sick that he couldn't psychologically handle his impulses, so he had to hurt her, which is so twisted and unfortunate. Even Mack said that she didn't believe john set out to hurt her from the time she was born, but that the combination and drugs and undiagnosed mental illness led him down that trajectory. While Genevieve and Michelle said he was "incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was to have sexual relations with his own child" - they're just delusional - it's irrefutable that drugs and alcohol can alter brain chemistry and warp perceptions to make people like john think what he was doing to Mack was okay. Such a shame and what a wasted life - He could've been a wonderful father and continued to have a great career and a long life if he didn't let fame and money and drugs and alcohol consume him. It's a miracle that Mack has come out the other side helping others by working in treatment and recovery. God bless her. I think what she's doing now is so wonderful and far more meaningful than anything she accomplished during her 70s fame. Sure the movies and shows will forever be ingrained in pop culture, but I don't think that kind of commercial success could ever equate the sense of fulfillment and purpose she is now having by being a counselor and helping the kinds of addicts she once was.

by Anonymousreply 21109/30/2017

I just saw this clip on YouTube. Chynna sounds like a real loon ..... and then it got even cringey-er when she bursts into song for like 30 seconds when Chris asks her a question about her sister/father. I get she was trying to plug her new album, but I've never seen someone crowbar a whole verse of their song into the middle of an interview.

I wonder how uncomfortable he felt sitting there during this performance, not knowing where to look, wondering when it was gonna stop or if he'd have to fake smile while she crooned her entire God-awful album.

by Anonymousreply 21210/01/2017

R212 chynna's just an attention-seeking fame-hungry (just like her mother michelle) has-been who hasn't got over the fact she self-destructed Wilson Phillips for a solo career that tanked. She got dropped from her record company after her naked and sacred album sold a measly 22,000 and decided to try and do a Christian album 15 years later which (surprise surprise) also failed. No wonder the last two albums Wilson Phillips put out post-2000 were cover records ripping off their parents' songs because they were to lazy to write their own material. Chynna's just selfishly pissed off because Mackenzie's trauma and pain inconvenienced her and eclipsed her stupid Christian album, which would've failed regardless and did bomb just like her husband Billy's career (the most talentless Baldwin) - his last credit was in some crappy Hallmark movie. At least Mackenzie did something meaningful with her life as a counselor yet chynna's still trying to resurrect her dead career - her last wilson Phillips gig was at Carnie's opening of a dessert shop in Oregon. At least Mackenzie got to experience the thrill of the whole 70s decade before john ruined it for her, nobody's cared about chynna since her five minutes of fame in 1990 that she ruined by leaving the group and that god awful bowl haircut

by Anonymousreply 21310/02/2017

R212, thanks for sharing that...cringeworthy indeed!

by Anonymousreply 21410/02/2017

R212 Mack posted this 90s throwback and I think she actually looks better and prettier than Chynna! Must've been when she got clean and began her decade-long sobriety until John's death set off her relapse

by Anonymousreply 21510/02/2017

My friend met mackenzie about two months ago and said she was one of the most genuine, kind and warm people he's met! Very witty and funny too. The pic's kind of blurry but she looks absolutely gorgeous. You can tell she's very healthy nowadays. It's a shame that people still have the skeleton image of her on ODAAT and not the clean and sober one. She's just beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 21610/02/2017

Did Chynna get a nose job when she was very young? It has that weird narrower at the bottom look and comes to an unnatural looking point.

Let's not go overboard, Mac has never been a naturally pretty girl or woman, but she does look well and healthy and put together finally and she has always seemed like a genuinely good well intentioned person through all of this so I wish her only the best.

It's terrible to watch her seasons on ODAAT and see how drug addiction literally ravaged her - very disturbing. She looked like a pretty typical teen in the beginning but it all changed very quickly.

by Anonymousreply 21710/02/2017

R212: The interviewer's not bad-looking.

by Anonymousreply 21810/02/2017

Do all of the kids get a piece of the John Phillips songbook royalties? I'm guessing that it still earns some serious money even after all these years.

by Anonymousreply 21910/02/2017

R217 actually I always thought that Mackenzie was quite pretty in her younger days before the drugs took over. She had quite soft and delicate features before the drugs started to make her look rough around the edges

by Anonymousreply 22010/02/2017

I love her performance in 'American Grafitti', very fresh and playful. She was easily the best actor on ODAAT, not that the bar was particularly high, but she had an edginess that worked really well, I just think the show itself sort of blew because it wasn't really a sitcom, but wasn't fully committed to being a drama and so wound up being in this bizarre half-world of feminist agit-prop mixed with crude locker room humour (Schneider) was just bizarre and the extraordinarily over-confident Bonnie Franklin (may she rest in peace) manning the helm didn't help matters.

Still I'm glad Mackenzie is doing well these days

by Anonymousreply 22110/03/2017

Great analysis, R221!

by Anonymousreply 22210/03/2017

R221 the fact Valerie has a star on the Hollywood walk of fame and Mackenzie doesn't is plain outrageous and blasphemous.

by Anonymousreply 22310/03/2017

R217 I always thought before the drugs she was pretty cute

by Anonymousreply 22410/05/2017

On the heels of 'American Graffiti' and 'ODAAT' she could have done a lot more career-wise, the late 70s was the golden era of the edgy, raw, not traditonally attractive adolescent girls, e.g. Jodie, Kristy, etal.

by Anonymousreply 22510/05/2017

She's a liar.

by Anonymousreply 22610/05/2017

[quote]this bizarre half-world of feminist agit-prop

Oh yes, I remember all those episodes when men came barging in and raped the women, or dragged them off to work in sweat shops, or took away their right to vote. The agitprop just never stopped!

by Anonymousreply 22710/05/2017

I've been watching a lot of the Kennedy honors clips on you tube like Al Green and Santana and Sting and always get a kick out of seeing the lead guitarist in the house band and knowing that he was her husband and is the father to Mackenzie's son, Shane. A perfect double for Sheldon Cooper. (Jim Parsons) He goes by the name of Shane Fontayne.

Here he plays with Heart for Led Zep tribute.

by Anonymousreply 22810/05/2017

She admitted that it was a consensual relationship? So it wasn’t rape? She agreed to have sex with her own father?

It’s all so...unseemly...and you just know that during those drug binges, personal hygiene went right out of the window. Incest is bad enough, but Daddy was probably reeking to high heaven. Mackenzie too.

Damn. And I just ate.

by Anonymousreply 22910/05/2017

R226 - you have no idea what you're talking about. How would you know she's lying? What, you're one of those ignorant bystanders who believe just because a person was an addict exempts them from abuse? I'm a friend of the Phillips family and I can tell you they ALL knew about it and let it slide. It was not some hidden secret, I found out about it in the late 80s. Michelle claims she didn't know, but she knew of it from the 80s too and Genevieve was actually the person who told Bijou about John and Mack's relationship in the early 90s (that's when Bijou confronted Mackenzie about it and Mack admitted to Bijou that it happened). John loved his children but was a very sick man and suffered from sexual confusions. The whole family had the rejection reaction because they wanted to protect John and the band's legacy. For some reason the kids still revere him - Mack was the only one who had the strength to stop keeping up appearances and expose him for what he truly was - brilliant and funny and talented and charming but deeply troubled and ill. I knew John - clean and sober, nice guy; but when he was on drugs it was like he became the devil - self-serving narcissist. When Mack initially wrote the book, she hadn't consulted a professional about his abuse so she presented it as a mutual thing, but while on the book tour she learned that the balance of power between a parent and offspring makes that impossible, that he manipulated her and took advantage of her drug abuse and her need for him to love her. Because she was passed out when it mostly happened (RAPE) and so she hasn't fought or kicked or screamed because she was in a blackout, she was made to feel complicit. It was all very Bill Crosby like of John doing it to gain power and control. Still the kids like Bij and Chynna go on about how sweet he was - they're still unconsciously trying to block the toxic side of him. And I get that - they want to separate the man John could've been and the man he became. But still, their reaction was the wrong one and they should've been more supportive. Luckily now they've finally reconciled. Oh and for all the judgemental uninformed hicks who use the "she was an adult" argument - the abuse actually started much earlier. Mack learned from people in their circle after she revealed the relationship that John was abusing her from childhood but she had repressed it as a little girl. So next time you label a person a "liar", just remember you don't know them so you can't make a judgement.

by Anonymousreply 23010/05/2017

I always thought that before the drugs ravaged her appearance - especially in season 3 of ODAAT when she was growing out her hair - she was pretty sexy

by Anonymousreply 23110/16/2017

You're right she looks so good now

by Anonymousreply 23210/25/2017

I never understood why my parents (who had each been sexually abused by their opposite sex parent) seemed to need their approval and love so much in the later years when they were adults. When they confessed to me what had happened to them as children, my mind flashed back to memories of the abuser/parent being the one person that they really wanted to please. I always wondered if it was because they compartmentalized the abuse and didn't feel it to be as horrifying as I did, that maybe they were trying to win back what they saw as a special bond that had then been taken away when they got older.

by Anonymousreply 23310/25/2017

No one wants to read a book about Mackenzie Phillips being abused by John Phillips.

but EVERYONE would want to read a book about Mackenzie being abused by Bonnie Franklin!

by Anonymousreply 23410/25/2017

I met her last month when she was a guest speaker at a hope and recovery dinner for substance abuse disorders. She gave a passionate and incredible speech and is genuinely sweet and down to earth. She looks fantastic nowadays

by Anonymousreply 23511/11/2017

Wow, there’s some serious “Mackenzie Phillips is a beautiful strong angel” PR going on in this thread.

How many times has the name of her book been dropped now by that one poster?

by Anonymousreply 23611/11/2017

I thought Bijou and Chynna had stood beside her. When did that change?

I always liked her, even on that celeb detox show, she seemed kind -- but must admit it's impossible to look at her now without flashing on that liason. Yuck.

by Anonymousreply 23711/11/2017

r235 wow cool, I donate to Welcome House

by Anonymousreply 23811/11/2017

R237 Chynna and bijou were supportive but then I think other family influences (cough cough evil stepmothers Genevieve and Michelle) pressured the girls into cutting mack off. But I watched some recent interviews of her earlier this year when she was promoting a new book called "hopeful healing - essays on managing addiction and recovery" which is not a memoir but targeted towards those trying to overcome addiction and substance abuse, and said that after 8 years the family has reconciled and they're on the mend. For example, she had her brother Jeffrey, nieces and nephews, and her sister bijou spend Labor Day weekend at her house

by Anonymousreply 23911/11/2017

R236 considering all she's been through I think she looks pretty good and is strong - I don't think I'd be able to make a turn around if I had a troubled upbrining like she did

by Anonymousreply 24011/11/2017

She was the best thing about ODAAT! She really knew how to bring on the drama as Julie. And I always loved her little dance at the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 24111/11/2017

I would've nominated her for Best Supporting Actress either over or alongside Candy Clark. She was already a mess but a very talented mess at least.

by Anonymousreply 24211/11/2017

(Though then there would've been not one, not two, but THREE little girls nominated in the same category).

by Anonymousreply 24311/11/2017

[quote]She was absolutely charming in American Graffiti.

She was definitely my favorite character in AG. I remember watching it on TV as a kid and being fascinated by her. Not sure why, she just seemed cool.

by Anonymousreply 24411/11/2017

When made up and in the right light MacKenzie Phillips could look presentable. But I never thought she was ever what you could call good-looking. Pop eyes, huge teeth, stringy hair...she was never a beauty.

Did she and her father John Phillips have an incestuous love affair. Who knows? Drug addicts are notorious liars. It could be she made the whole thing up for sympathy and profit. Maybe she wanted to people to think "that poor dear, a victim of incest. Why no wonder she became a drug addict!" Maybe she wants to reflect the blame for her addiction onto her father. Drug addicts do that; they try excuses for their behavior and try to lay the blame for their own mistakes on other people. Judy Garland was like that. She blamed everybody (her mother, MGM, L. B. Mayer, Sid Luft) for her troubles.

I do think MacKenzie Phillips grew up surrounded by drugs and drug users. I think that certainly contributed to her drug addiction. And I do think John Phillips was a scumbag of immense proportions. When Cass Elliot told him she was pregnant he said to her "so when's the abortion?" He was truly a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 24511/11/2017

Ewww, I can't imagine anyone making THAT up and thinking it would be good for them or give them an edge. Mac to her publicist: 'Hey, I got this idea..."

by Anonymousreply 24611/11/2017

R245 mackenzie never had "stringy" hair, that falls to Michelle - who, albeit beautiful in the 60s had very stringy hair that she even mentioned in an article once. Now it's very thin. Also Mack got her teeth fixed which i think has greatly improved her appearance

by Anonymousreply 24711/11/2017

R245 and R246 I'm friends with someone who knew John from the 80s until his death in 2001 and he said everyone in their circle knew about the incest... very sad. My friend actually dated Michelle for a period of time in the 80s and said that she was extremely high maintenance, but that Mackenzie was always a very cool person and John had an infatuation with her.

by Anonymousreply 24811/11/2017

Her hair was certainly stringy when "One Day At A Time" was first on. Later she was given a feathered, layered hairstyle that fluffed it up a bit, but the natural state of her hair was indeed stringy.

by Anonymousreply 24911/11/2017

R249 mmm I think that even before she had the shorter hair it wasn't stringy at all - like in the first few eps of ODAAT when she didn't have the shag haircut. Usually stringy hair is obvious when you can see the when see the person's scalp, which you never could with Mack

by Anonymousreply 25011/11/2017

R249 meanwhile below Michelle's shoulders her hair looked very stringy

by Anonymousreply 25111/11/2017

R251 true in later years her scalp became very visible (like below which was only in the 70s). I remember on knots landing they would always tease Michelle's hair to try and fluff it up to look thicker

by Anonymousreply 25211/11/2017

R251 mm you're right she certainly doesn't have much left now even with teasing

by Anonymousreply 25311/11/2017

R253 aging's a bitch

by Anonymousreply 25411/11/2017

R254 never thought I'd say this but Mackenzie actually looks better than Michelle

by Anonymousreply 25511/11/2017

Michelle was such a traitor to Mackenzie. While John was alive Michelle had no problem crucifying him for being an abusive husband, a bad parent, a hopeless drug addict and just a bad person in general. If Chynna was abused by John and decided to come clean I have no doubt Michelle would've been 100% supportive. But of course, Michelle uses Mackenzie's past drug abuse - which we all now know was a form of self-medication to cope with the pain John inflicted on her - as a way of discrediting her. I always felt she had a calculating, vitriolic side to her. So disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 25611/11/2017

R248 Jesus. That's so disappointing he did that. Poor Mackenzie. Thanks for the interesting and informative info - fascinating to hear from someone who knew them!

by Anonymousreply 25711/11/2017

Michelle's always been vapid and self-serving and full of herself, that comes across in every interview she does. And bijou is married to Danny masterson who's been accused of rape by 5 women

by Anonymousreply 25811/11/2017

John wrote song about Mackenzie called "fairy tale girl" which the beach boys renamed "somewhere near japan" and put on their still cruisin album. It sounds like a love song. Apparently John originally wrote over 25 verses. Here are the final lyrics the beach boys used:

Late last night I got an S. O. S. The fairy tale girl's in deep in distress She says I don't know where I am But it's near Japan

My engine's all burned out My crew has all bailed out I don't know where I am But it's somewhere near Japan

And she said "Rescue me" I'm somewhere in the China Sea I think I'm sinkin' fast This call is probably my last I'm throwin' out a life line And I'm doin' it for old time's sake Though I know you're gonna break my heart One more time

Late last night I got an S. O. S. The fairy tale girl's in deep in distress She says I don't know where I am But it's near Japan

My engine's all burned out My crew has all bailed out I don't know where I am But it's somewhere near Japan

And she said "thank you dear" I think she sounded quite sincere And when she turned to go She said "I crave adventure don't you know"

And now she's driftin' on some Chinese junk Her world is spinning and her hope has sunk So I close my eyes And somewhere near Japan The spinning stopped and the world stood still I broke her fall and I always will Strung out in no man's land Somewhere near Japan Rescue me

by Anonymousreply 25911/11/2017

If that photo from Labor Day is any indication, these days Mackenzie looks better than Michelle AND Bijou!

by Anonymousreply 26011/11/2017

R259 the fact john called Mackenzie his "fairy tale girl" is so indicative of his twisted feelings towards her. The whole song sounds like falling for a troubled woman who left but is now calling you for help and you can't resist because she's the perfect girl. So creepy. It's based on a true story too - mackenzie was on her honeymoon with her husband in 1979 and called john to send over drugs and money because they ran out. And when John asked where she was mack replied "somewhere near Japan"

by Anonymousreply 26111/11/2017

R260 that's what happens when you finally clean up and get sober!

by Anonymousreply 26211/11/2017

MacKenzie doesn't look better than ANYBODY. Her face looks like skull. She has the wizened, prematurely aged look of the long time drug addict.

by Anonymousreply 26311/11/2017

In her audiobook, I remember her reciting a song that I think began with, "She was only 17..." (Or was it 14? I don't recall). I think it was a song that John wrote. I must've held significance for her to do that in her book. ---

Here it is. It was 'She's Just 14'.

by Anonymousreply 26411/11/2017

Now I know the origin of the name High on Arrival.

by Anonymousreply 26511/11/2017

R263 well you must be looking at pictures of her before she got sober (the majority of them on the internet are before her 2008 arrest) because when I met her two weeks ago she looked beautiful

by Anonymousreply 26611/11/2017

R266 must be going blind, because THAT is not "beautiful." And look at that hand! That is one monster hand.

by Anonymousreply 26711/11/2017

R267 oh for god's sake that's so petty it's just the way her hand is positioned/looks in the photo.

Michelle had scary monster hands from when she was young. Hers looked like old lady hands even when she was young (see below)

by Anonymousreply 26811/11/2017

Y'all are so mean... just because someone isn't a blue-eyes blonde-haired beauty they're automatically "ugly". America has such a complex with your typical California girl as being the only kind of woman worthy to be called "beautiful". Geez sure Mackenzie's drug use squandered her healthy looks in her youth but considering all she's been through she looks pretty presentable. Anyway, to lighten the mood here's a sweet pic of Val and Mack last year on Valerie's cooking show:

by Anonymousreply 26911/11/2017

Wow, there’s some serious “Mackenzie Phillips is a beautiful strong angel” PR going on in this thread.

How many times has the name of her book been dropped now by that one poster?


I know, right? Mackenzie's PR person is earning his/her $$$ on this thread!

by Anonymousreply 27011/11/2017

R270 - mackenzie now works as a drug counselor and motivational speaker which I think is really inspirational and admirable compared to the commercialism and superficiality of the Hollywood biz

by Anonymousreply 27111/11/2017

R271 - yeah she's kinda like Leah remini with Scientology, using her own experiences to help others!

by Anonymousreply 27211/11/2017

I don’t consider her relationship with her father abuse. She started her affair with him after she was 18, as wrong as it was, it was consensual.

Face it, some adults like fucking their daddies.

by Anonymousreply 27311/11/2017

"Michelle had scary monster hands from when she was young. Hers looked like old lady hands even when she was young."

No, they didn't. When young, she was a gorgeous blonde, the epitome of a long haired, naturally beautiful hippie chick. Cass Elliot was insanely jealous of her.

All these attempts to portray MacKenzie Phillips as "pretty" or "beautiful" have no basis in fact. She was NEVER pretty or beautiful. Her looks were, at best, average, and that was before she became such a hard core addict that she looked like a walking corpse.

by Anonymousreply 27411/11/2017

I don’t get why everyone is so uptight about this

by Anonymousreply 27511/11/2017

R274 she had a very boyish figure though, and a zero chest

by Anonymousreply 27611/11/2017

R274 she so did have old lady hands... look at the way her left hand looks with the cigarette matches

by Anonymousreply 27711/11/2017

R276 yeah Michelle never did have boobs and she'd often wear bras that were heavily patted to give the illusion she did. P.S why are we talking about hands

by Anonymousreply 27811/11/2017

"She so did have old lady hands... look at the way her left hand looks with the cigarette matches."

Oh for God's sake, I've seen photos of her hands and they were normal. And even if she had the hands of an 80 year old crone (and a flat chest) she'd still be a million times better looking than MacKenzie Philips ever was.

by Anonymousreply 27911/11/2017

When mackenzie first got sober in 1980 she was on the Love Boat and I remember thinking she never looked more pretty or feminine in her youth. Too bad her sobriety didn't last during this time period. The drugs made her look homely and gave her bad skin.

by Anonymousreply 28011/11/2017

R279 not anymore she isn't

by Anonymousreply 28111/11/2017

Mackenzie played a young Eleanor Roosevelt In a TV miniseries right before ODAAT. You don't give that part to beauties. And then when she got hard core into drugs her looks really went to hell. Especially her skin. Which I don't think happens to most drug addicts but to her for whatever reason it did.

ALl things considering, in her middle age she looks as well preserved as she possibly could. And she does seem like a nice down to earth person with little to no attitude. Which makes her a far more sympathetic character then, say Lindsay Lohan.

by Anonymousreply 28211/11/2017

Mackenzie Phillips has always been...unfortunate looking. But she started out as a very good actress. (PS: I believe her re: her dad, and am glad she's sober.) (Tho truthfully, I thought she was dead.)

by Anonymousreply 28311/11/2017

R282 and R283 - I think Mack's probably one of those women who grow into their looks, that is, she looks much better now than she ever did as a teen. Maybe that's because she's sober and no longer a skeleton, or she just improved with age!

by Anonymousreply 28411/11/2017

Good on her for turning her life around to be of service to others. Very noble career she's leading now, and probably more fulfilling than acting ever was

by Anonymousreply 28511/11/2017

Wow Mackenzie is the spitting image of her mother Susan (no wonder john was into her)- here's a photo Mack's brother Jeffrey posted of her. TBH as sick as it was I think that john always saw Mackenzie as a friend more than a daughter since he was incapable of being a responsible dad himself and hence crossed that boundary with her.

by Anonymousreply 28611/11/2017

Eh in some pics in her youth she doesn't look all that bad, especially when she grew out her hair

by Anonymousreply 28711/11/2017

R286 agree they also both resiembeld Carol BURNett a bit. Something about the mouth /jaw area.

r287 agree not a bad pic. It's really her skin that was the worst thing of all. I do think she had bad skin tendencies to begin with and then the addiction made it that much worse,

by Anonymousreply 28811/11/2017

[R288] I never noticed her skin either way....I just think she got dealt a bad hand of goofy looking features. (Tho her eyes are actually quite nice.) Talented....but...well, let's just say she's talented.

by Anonymousreply 28911/11/2017

This was taken years after the relationship ended in 98 at the M&P rock n roll hall of fame induction and they still look like a couple...

by Anonymousreply 29011/12/2017

She seemed so cool as a 12 year old on a vintage car

by Anonymousreply 29111/12/2017

R289 and she always had a nice smile. This photo of her and Bonnie Franklin breaks my heart... can't believe she's no longer here

by Anonymousreply 29211/12/2017

Naw mackenzie and candy Clark are still friends today - so sweet!

by Anonymousreply 29311/12/2017


by Anonymousreply 29411/12/2017

R245 and R249 - "stringy", are you deluded?? Mackenzie's hair was always thick!

by Anonymousreply 29511/12/2017

This just in - the actor who played Damien on Mean Girls has accused bijou Phillips of bullying, assault and harassment on the set of Bully. Not surprised - think about the way bijou treated mackenzie after she revealed John's abuse. Very disappointing. Her and her rapist husband Danny Masterson make a great pair

by Anonymousreply 29611/12/2017

R296 Daniel looks like he's come through it better and Bijou's looking a little odd nowadays

by Anonymousreply 29711/13/2017

Mackenzie, her half-brother Tam and half-sister Bijou in late 1996 at Mack's 37th bday. She actually looks pretty awesome and glam here

by Anonymousreply 29811/13/2017

Tam friended me on FB several years ago and he's a total basket case. I think someone here said he's schitzophrenic which makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 29911/13/2017

I think Mac said part of what she has done, as far as therapy is concerned, is EMDR. I've been interested in EMDR for a few years, which I imagine is the reason I remembered her bringing it up. It is a therapy that is often a help to victims of trauma.

by Anonymousreply 30011/13/2017

Oh, and I forgot to bring this up: In High on Arrival, Mackenzie mentions she could tell that John loved being 'the keeper of the drugs' - that essentially, if anyone wanted any drugs, they had to go to the gatekeeper, John. He would do a lot of weird of teasing and powertripping when it came to that.

by Anonymousreply 30111/13/2017

R301 john would find any situation to be the powerful, dominant control freak

by Anonymousreply 30211/13/2017

She had sex with her dad and that's nasty. But her father John Phillips was abusive, crazy, and abusive towards her and pretty much everyone else that unfortunately were either related to him or knew him.

But I'm not sure why she went public with how she had incest with her dad/was sexually abused by him, had a book ghost written, and went on Oprah? I guess she needed money or wanted attention? Mostly anyone else would not have done this at all and just would have talked to their therapist instead.

by Anonymousreply 30311/13/2017

R303 For Mackenzie I think it was about finally coming clean about her past and being able to offer an explanation as to why she was the way she was, especially since there were so many unfair and untrue misconceptions about her.

Valerie Bertinelli said in an interview after the book came out: "She was a very tortured soul. The many years that I've known her, for the first time I see this light coming out of her because she's letting go of all of that pain that's been inside of her. It really pains me that people would not believe something coming from her, you know because she had a needle stuck in her arm, but there was a reason the needle was stuck in her arm. So I say, give her grace."

Mack just couldn't hold onto it any longer - and to be honest I think it was fair she aired it publicly--why should John remain publicly revered as a talented songwriter and musical genius and mackenzie crucified for being a drug addict without people knowing the full story of why she went on such a downward spiral?

Besides, if she never came clean she probably wouldn't be in the great place she is now working as a drug counselor and being a sexual abuse advocate.

She's quoted as saying "the weight is off my shoulders. I don't live in the past anymore. I look forward, instead of back".

I applaud her for coming forward with her powerful book and bearing witness to her trauma. People give her too much of a hard time by accusing her of doing it only for financial gains and lying to make money - if she wanted to give a sob story she could've said it was some uncle who molested her or something. She wouldn't make up something so destructive that would destroy what was left of her dad's reputation and risk her family relationships by implicating john if it wasn't true.

Also I hate the therapy argument. I'm 100% sure Mackenzie has gone to therapy, but suggesting she should've kept it to herself is like saying all of Harvey Weinstein's victims should've just told their therapists about their assaults and rapes and kept their mouths shut to everyone else. If the abuser is in the public eye, as was John Phillips, then that person must be publicly condemned - just like many Hollywood perpetrators have been during these past few weeks.

by Anonymousreply 30411/13/2017

R303 - I hate hearing that bullsh** argument people hang on Mackenzie that she shouldn't have spoken out. I suppose the sexual abuse victims of Weinstein, Spacey, Louis CK and countless others also came out just for attention and should've kept that info in their therapists' office? Give me a break. If you're famous and abuse that power, then you should be publicly shamed. Mackenzie was one of the first people to do it and was vilified by the public, yet now everyone in the rest of Hollywood who are doing it are being praised for being "strong" and "inspirational". Mackenzie was crucified because even in today's modern age people would stil rather ignore the thought of immediate family sex abuse than actually confront it. Sure, if it's a neighbour or an uncle we can see it - but a parent? It's all "keep your head down, don't look"! But hey, if you're a young aspiring actor abused by an older powerful one, then brava to you for coming out!! Such double standards.

by Anonymousreply 30511/13/2017

I agree partially with what was just said. Although I do not believe that Mackenzie's motivations were to shame her dad for his behavior. I think she was, in fact, desperate for money and attention. Apparently, she tried to one-up her sister by having the book come out when she was starting a tour with Wilson/Phillips. Additionally, she once threw herself on Chyna's then-boyfriend, now husband Billy Baldwin to steal him away. Clearly not an option for her. She is full of talk - but it's not real action. She is doing only what she has left as an available option -- it is not something she is doing to help people. Why is she not helping sexual abuse victims if that was really her agenda? hmmmmm.......

by Anonymousreply 30611/16/2017

I agree with you completely. I heard she had sex with a woman while her dad watched. On many occasions. The only reason she is not doing that now is because he is dead.

by Anonymousreply 30711/16/2017

She's a pockmarked fug slutbag.

by Anonymousreply 30811/16/2017

That is not the point. She might not look great but it is her actions that are being called in question.

by Anonymousreply 30911/16/2017

R304 well said.

Someone upthread said something about MacKenzie Phillips' PR people working overtime. No. For whatever reason, the fact is that she's an endearing personthat people tend to root for and want to see do well. I can't really put my finger on exactly why, but seeing pictures of her just breaks my heart.

We should be clear that John Phillips was a sociopath and an monster. I remember reading his autobiography, and it was a laundry list of ways he'd intentionally harmed the people in his life who loved him. Sometimes for selfish reasons, and sometimes just because he could.

You cannot say that the power dynamic in his relationship with MacKenzie was equal. He was evil to pursue a sexual relationship with her, period. You cannot blame MacKenzie for it in the least. What he did with her could easily have destroyed her completely. It is frankly amazing that she seems to be in a good place now. Many couldn't have survived.

Michelle Phillips is a fascinating person. Singularly beautiful and alluring in the '60s. I think that, like Elizabeth Taylor, she never had a chance to be a decent or grounded person because anything she ever wanted was handed to her because of how she looked. I would love a tell-all about her.

MacKenzie was right to reveal what happened with John. As someone suggested earlier, it was too much of a burden for her to go around pretending and covering up the sick nature of what John did to her. Michelle needs to understand that it wasn't for attention or to sell books. And Michelle knows damn well it happened.

She wanted her legacy to be California Dreamin' and Monday Monday and the Monterey Pop Festival. She was furious because MacKenzie, by revealing the incest, ensured that the legacy would always be more complex, and, forgive the term, problematic.

By the way, I agree that Mack was never a great beauty, but she has very pretty eyes. When she's doing well, they really stand out. And when she's doing well, there is that inner spirit she has that is so optimistic and fresh.

I'm a fan.

by Anonymousreply 31011/16/2017

she did a lot of very dishonest things. she is a thief and well as a liar. just because someone was on drugs does not mean that the things that they did on drugs they would not have done anyway. she is still only seeking attention in her "rehabiltative" efforts.

by Anonymousreply 31111/16/2017

R311 you funny.

by Anonymousreply 31211/16/2017

I must say, when I read her book, I was impressed by some of the things she owned up to - but I didn't like it last portion of it, to the end. The reason I didn't like it, was because it all seemed tied up a little too nicely, and that didn't seem realistic. In addition, I didn't like it, because it seemed like she was angling for Hollywood to have her work as an actress again. Like she was trying to convince them to do it - OK, but audition at another time, not via the book. Annoying. Not to mention cloying.

The other part that struck me, was she mentioned that when she was younger, she would tell all of these stories involving famous people to others (to interest/entertain them, I guess). She wrote about this, as if it was something she used to do - but that's just not true - it's something she has continued to do.

All of this said, I think I like Mackenzie. From the little I know, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 31311/16/2017

R306 Chynna made a Christian album (not Wilson Phillips) that happened to come out at the same time as Mack's book. Neither have a choice in the release date of their - the book company and record company decide that. By the way, where did you hear Mack threw herself onto Billy? I highly doubt that Mackenzie would ever try to jeopardize her sister's happiness by doing that - she was chynna's bridesmaid at her wedding!! R307 and where did you hear john watched Mack have sex with other women? I've never heard that before

by Anonymousreply 31411/16/2017

R311 and R313 considering Mackenzie is now part of the senior leadership team at her work as "director of referral relations + primary counselor", I doubt she's trying to get back into "Hollywood"

by Anonymousreply 31511/16/2017

Her and Chyna have never been estranged. Chyna always believed her. Much to the chagrin of her in denial mother.

by Anonymousreply 31611/16/2017

R316 no they were estranged until recently. Chynna always did believe her but her bitch of a mother Michelle pressured her to cut off ties with Mackenzie along with her other siblings.

by Anonymousreply 31711/16/2017

I doubt she is trying to get back into Hollywood NOW, too, R315.

by Anonymousreply 31811/16/2017

R306 - you're such a liar Mackenzie would never make a move on Billy! Why would you do that to your sister?

R307 - who told you John watched her sleep with a woman? Unless it's a credible source hearsay should be taken with a grain of salt. If it is true, well John's even sicker than I thought

by Anonymousreply 31911/16/2017

Mama Michelle has always a nasty piece of work. She was a cunt to Mama Cass for years and now acts like they were grand pals to the end. All after Cass became a beloved figure after her battle with the ham sandwich. Senile old cow.

by Anonymousreply 32011/16/2017

R308 and R309 she looks better now

by Anonymousreply 32111/16/2017

Yeah, I've always wondered why Michelle was so nonchalant in interviews when describing the hellish home life Mac was exposed to as a child. She was there FFS. Why didn't she DO something about it? Like a typical evil step mother, she seemed to have zero protective instincts----until her own little princess was born. Her attitude was always sort of detached, "well, it was just a crazy time". Ha! And then she’d just burst out laughing like it was all just hilarious. Yup, so crazy that she sure as shit got her OWN spawn out of there fast enough.

I have a creepy feeling Michelle was/is jealous of Mac's closeness to John. She saw her as a rival. Probably watched her spiral and took some secret, gleeful satisfaction from it.

by Anonymousreply 32211/16/2017

Mackenzie so eloquently describes how she dealt with the pain of her family's rejection.

Initially: "I was crushed. I wanted desperately to figure out a way to fix everyone's pain."

And then she goes on to explain: "I’ve come to understand that some in my family have chosen to hold onto the pain and anger they felt when I came out with the truth about my dad. I understand that they’re still caught in a textbook response of devaluing the victim and holding up the perpetrator. This is a common response within families when there has been abuse perpetrated by a family member. And so I have had to surrender to what is. That means letting go of responsibility for how others choose to feel and act. I understand that I have no control over how my family individually or collectively feels; it’s not really about me, and it’s not mine to carry. I’ve also had to accept that, of course, I’d be the target of negative reactions and feelings because I’m the one who wrote the book and told a truth no one wanted to hear. If you’re trying to maintain some sort of facade so you can avoid pain, the last thing you want is for the facade to be demolished.”

Say all you want about Mackenzie's physical deterioriation once the drugs took hold, but it's clear she's a very gracious, forgiving and compassionate woman. Michelle, on the other hand, might've been the flower child pin-up of the 60s, but disowning your stepdaughter over something your perverted ex husband did speaks volumes about her personality. Pretty on the outside doesn't always mean pretty on the inside.

by Anonymousreply 32311/16/2017

The saddest part was watching Mac speak about Michelle and getting the feeling she had very obvious affection for her cold mean girl step mom. I have always respected how Chynna spoke lovingly about her big sister when that book first came out. She seemed centered and compassionate.

by Anonymousreply 32411/16/2017

Michelle's always struck me as a calculating, manipulative woman who got everything handed to her because of her quintessential blonde-haired, blue-eyed looks --- and we all know how America has some weird obsession with the look of California girls. I was at a Wilson Phillips concert two years ago and they brought Michelle up on stage and she was talking about how "john was a good man and a very good parent". Such a hypocrite. Literally every single time she was asked about John in interviews - from the time of their separation up until Mackenzie's revelations - she never hesitated to bash him as an irresponsible, selfish, dysfunctional father. John even refused speak to Michelle and have any contact with her in the years leading up to his death (she talked about this in a 1998 interview with ET). Chynna's been in therapy since she was 7 because she was scarred by all the drugs and needles and blood on the walls when she visited john and Genevieve- Michelle told people magazine in 1991 that "john was never a doting parent". She's only changed her attitude now because she doesn't want to be thought of as the woman who married a pervert and knew about her stepdaughter's abuse and did nothing. Even Denny Doherty’s daughter Jessica Woods admitted that Denny knew and didn’t do anything about it. John’s inner circle were all aware of what was happening with Mack and were enablers of John’s behavior... they’re just too ashamed to admit they turned a blind eye.

by Anonymousreply 32511/16/2017

Michelle is a bitch. Bijou is a dumb spoiled skank. And I'm sure it burns both their souls that Chynna and Mckenzie have very genuine love for each other.

by Anonymousreply 32611/16/2017

R324 Mack was visibly hurt in an interview on the Today show about a year after the book came out regarding Michelle's attitude towards her. She said "I didn't expect such vitriol from someone who's expected and thought of as such a classy woman". It's terrible that Mack went out of her way to ensure she didn't tell stories about Michelle or her siblings in her book and respect their privacy, and yet they continued to tell stories about her once it came out to diminish her...

by Anonymousreply 32711/16/2017

is she bi?

by Anonymousreply 32811/16/2017

R328 - Mackenzie? No. She wrote in her book that since the drugs made her uninhibited she had some lesbian experiences, but it was just experimentation and she's definitely straight. Chynna and Bijou also admitted on Howard Stern that they experienced lesbian sex too. Chynna was having sex with a friend in high school (she was dating guys but found they weren't satisfying her sexually) and Bijou in her teens and early 20s (with women solely and also as part of threesomes)

by Anonymousreply 32911/16/2017

she once told a reporter that she stole someone's drugs and helped that person "look" for them for an hour!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 33011/16/2017

The family distanced themselves, because they didn't want the disgusting truth known

by Anonymousreply 33111/16/2017

She's doing some wonderful work ❤️

by Anonymousreply 33211/16/2017

R332 I knew Alyssa as a kid! So sweet of Mac to offer her a place at Breathe... love the video you added! She sounds so passionate about helping Alyssa, very inspiring

by Anonymousreply 33311/16/2017

CAN THE PERSON IN THE THREAD WHO CLAIMS JOHN WATCHED MACK HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN EXPLAIN WHERE ON GOD'S EARTH THEY HEARD THAT AND FROM WHOM? Because if that's true it's the icing on the cake for John's perversion (that and the fact he wanted to run away to Fiji so they could live as husband-wife)

by Anonymousreply 33411/16/2017

As awful as it has been for her to be honest about the incest, can you imagine trying to keep something like that secret when the other person was famous? She made the right choice because by trying to hide it she would constantly worry that the tabs would find out and tell everyone anyway. Also now she doesn't have to deal with all the BS people saying how they loved her father, etc what a talent. Honesty is best in this case.

by Anonymousreply 33511/17/2017

R335 Exactly - why should John be celebrated as a prolific songwriter while Mack is crucified as a hopeless addict? It's her prerogative to explain why she crashed and burned. I also suspect she would've been unable to stay sober unless she came clean - continuing to live in emotional turmoil with a heavy secret burdening you would send anybody into relapse. I don't know how she survived, I certainly wouldn't be able to.

by Anonymousreply 33611/17/2017

Michelle and Genevieve would be backed into a corner if they saw this photo...

by Anonymousreply 33711/17/2017

why would it be the icing on the cake for john's perversion? why not for hers????? she acts like this is something that "happened to her" - she obviously had the worst dad but she was old enough to know better - she is the one who was lying to her mom and step moms - she is the one who lied to friends about it - she is the one who was hurting everyone and lying about it - she is the one who WAS ABLE TO WALK AWAY FROM IT when she though she was carrying his kid - so yes, there is your proof that all she had to do was say no. then why didn't she say no years earlier? and if she told everyone to help victims, why isn't she actually helping them??? i've never heard of her working on anything involving such's bs.

by Anonymousreply 33811/17/2017

That's one of the things many find confusing about it - that Mackenzie was an adult, and was able to (physically) walk away.

by Anonymousreply 33911/17/2017

R338 - Firstly, it was something that "happened to her" - the balance of power between parent and offspring makes equal culpability impossible. He clearly was manipulative, and took advantage of Mackenzie's drug abuse and need for him to love her. Do not devalue Mackenzie as a victim by saying she "should've known better" because it happened when she was a late teenager - that doesn't change the fact John preyed upon his own child. Secondly, Mackenzie was a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. People who have never experienced abuse can't comprehend that. Because John was no real father figure to her and she was always desperate to have that loving, quintessential father-daughter relationship, she felt trapped especially because he was in denial about what the relationship really was. Thirdly, she did not lie to her family - she told her mother and John's sister (her aunt Rosie) days after it first happened. Fourthly, she is helping victims - she is a motivational speaker and works at a treatment center that has many drug addicts who've experienced sexual abuse.

by Anonymousreply 34011/17/2017

R338 and R339 I was a victim of sex abuse by my father from adolescence until early adulthood and can attest that what Mackenzie was experiencing was kind of like a Stockholm Syndrome dynamic with John. It's confusing to people who haven't experienced abuse. I felt ashamed of what happened to me, but even worse was that I felt some loyalty to my dad and that I didn't break away even when I could. And I felt that letting it continue was the only way to gain my dad's love and approval, which I imagine Mack felt also. And like John, my father was a very charismatic guy who made everyone see things the way he did. It's hard to explain and a lot of people can't wrap their head around the fact many victims of abuse feel alone and helpless and that they can't change things.

by Anonymousreply 34111/17/2017

R340 - well said, and I'm sorry you had to go through the same thing with your dad. R338 and R339 Ugh that's like saying to Harvey weinstein's rape victims "once you realised what was happening why didn't you leave the hotel room?" F*** off. She was 18. She was raped. Years later she'd pass out and wake up next to him with her pants down. John knew Mack's drug use would mean she'd black out and he could do what he wanted to her. She only called it "consensual" because since she didn't kick or fight or scream, so she was made to feel complicit, although she was unconscious most of the time so she wasn't able to do fight back anyway. ALSO WHEN SHE TOLD HER FAMILY THEY SAID DONT PRESS CHARGES BECAUSE IT WILL RUIN YOUR DAD AND YOUR SIBLINGS. SHE FELT PRESSURED TO NOT TELL THE COPS BY HER OWN RELATIVES AND WROTE SO IN HER BOOK. He's the one who did it, not her. It doesn't matter how old she was. She's the violated victim, he's the sick parent.

by Anonymousreply 34211/17/2017

Everyone's going on about how she should've walked away and the counter argument of Stockholm syndrome, but where was her family? What about them? They all knew it was happening - Susan her mother, Rosie John's sister, Michelle, Genevieve, Denny, even Scott McKenzie - why didn't any of them confront John and help Mackenzie get the proper therapy to overcome her trauma and get away from him. Where the hell were they? They just let it continue to happen.

by Anonymousreply 34311/17/2017

Can I forgive him for this sweater? No.

by Anonymousreply 34411/17/2017

This must be why she prefers women now - she probably feels safer with them -

by Anonymousreply 34511/17/2017

What is going on here (?)

by Anonymousreply 34611/17/2017

R245 Mackenzie's single and not a lesbian...

by Anonymousreply 34711/17/2017

I heard she lives with some young guy but that they are just friends

by Anonymousreply 34811/17/2017

Her pussy probably throws off some serious stank

by Anonymousreply 34911/17/2017

that is so gross it is not even funny.

by Anonymousreply 35011/17/2017

R348 she lives with her son...

by Anonymousreply 35111/17/2017

OMG GROSS in this pic John's looking down Mackenzie's dress and Genevieve's too stoned to notice....

by Anonymousreply 35211/17/2017


by Anonymousreply 35311/17/2017

I makes you want to never call anyone 'Daddy' ever, ever again....

by Anonymousreply 35411/17/2017

How do you know she lives with her son? And he must be pretty old by now to be living with his mom, right?

by Anonymousreply 35511/17/2017

"Stringy", are you deluded?? Mackenzie's hair was always thick!"

No, it wasn't. And an experienced hairdresser can do wonders to make stringy hair look better. I guess you didn't know that.

by Anonymousreply 35611/17/2017

The MacKenzie Phillips apologists disparaging Michelle Phillip's appearance are idiots. She's 73 years old and you dumb fucks think she should look the same as she did when she was 25. And by the way her hair was not "stringy"; it was loose, long and straight, which was the style all hippie girls wore back then. She was a beautiful blonde in her youth.

"Aging is a bitch." It certainly is. MacKenzie Phillips is proof of that. Her face looks like a skull. She looks like a living dead person.

by Anonymousreply 35711/17/2017

R357 she looked like a skull on drugs but not anymore - her she is with her friend's daughter visiting the New York botanical garden last month

by Anonymousreply 35811/17/2017

R357 you're blind Michelle's hair was stringy - I read vintage magazine articles where she would talk about it and say she'd wash it frequently to give the appearance it was thick - look at the way it limps beneath her shoulders here

by Anonymousreply 35911/17/2017

Mckenzie still stole from a lot of people and is chalking it up to her "problems with her dad" etc. that's a lame excuse -- people don't change!

by Anonymousreply 36011/17/2017

R356 the only time Mackenzie's hair thinned was when the drugs got real bad. Naturally, it wasn't. Look at this 90s pic of her, Chynna and bijou when she came out of rehab - it looks thicker than the others hair

by Anonymousreply 36111/17/2017

R257 Michelle was beautiful but her hair was stringy and thin. If you look at old photos in M&Ps it always was very wispy and looked flat. You'd see more skin on the scalp when she'd pull it back and her "pigtails" always looked very thin. Now when Michelle does events she makes sure to wear it up so she can put a hairpiece as a bun.

by Anonymousreply 36211/17/2017

Apparently Mckenzie claims to have had a period of 10 years sober before falling prey to her demons again. I do not believe that she was sober for that entire time -- she has made statements that cast doubt on the truth of those claims - her stories are never consistent and she does not have a reputation for honesty in the first place. I heard she didn't even live with her teenage son for years when she was "sober" but apparently had a roommate in her home with her in the valley for years while the kid lived with the dad exclusively. if she was sober - why didn't she have custody of her own child?

by Anonymousreply 36311/17/2017

R363 you don't have all the facts - she was sober for the entirety of those years. In 1999-2001 she was on a Disney channel show called "So Weird" which filmed in Vancouver, but she didn't want to uproot her son so he stayed in LA with his father and she would fly back to the States to visit on weekends. Also her "roommates" only occurred after she relapsed in the 2000s with John's death - she had two friends whom she knew for years and they lived together when they became her suppliers.

by Anonymousreply 36411/17/2017

R355 Mack admitted that her son moved out with his friends years ago but once she relapsed he moved back in to help her. And it's also probably a good way to save on rent until he earns enough to buy a house of his own

by Anonymousreply 36511/17/2017

R356 the tell-tale sign of stringy hair is seeing skin on the scalp. You could see that with Michelle's hair even in her younger days, but Mackenzie never showed that.

by Anonymousreply 36611/17/2017

"You're blind Michelle's hair was stringy."

Look, you crazy stringy hair obsessed idiot, her hair was the way girls wore their hair back then. Peggy Lipton had hair like that. Joni Mitchell had hair like that. Susan Dey had hair like that. It was long straight hair and it actually looked beautiful on healthy, pretty young women. But when you're a weird looking junkie like MacKenzie Phillips....well, her hair looked like shit. Being on a hit sitcom she had professionals working on it to make it look better, but when you're a druggie like that your hair and everything else about you goes to shit. In her case she looked so bad that the makeup department with all its resources couldn't hide her ugliness. By the way, if Michelle Phillips had been completely bald she still would have been better looking that MacKenzie Phillips on her best day.

by Anonymousreply 36711/17/2017

Cocaine addiction. At 5' 7", she got down to 90 lbs., at one time, according to this video.

She was coming back to One Day at a Time, here:

by Anonymousreply 36811/17/2017

R367 Michelle might have had the same hairstyle as those other women but her hair was no where near the same thickness.

by Anonymousreply 36911/17/2017

"I don't have all the facts"!!! Um, I think I do. I have heard her speak and she said that she had a roommate BEFORE she was on some show in Canada. So there. And there would be no reason for someone to do that with a growing child. She left the work up to the guy she had the child with -- and did not care for her own son even when she was "sober" during that time.

by Anonymousreply 37011/17/2017

Vibes R341 I hope you were able to get help.

by Anonymousreply 37111/17/2017

That's a very good question R343. I also wonder how many of them knew she was being raped/sleeping with their father?

by Anonymousreply 37211/17/2017

I think Denny knew of at least one incident (wasn't he in the room?).

Think I remember Chynna saying she was told - but I don't know when she was told.

Other than that, I don't know who knew what, or how much they knew.

by Anonymousreply 37311/17/2017

R370 well when she first got out of rehab she was living with her mom and stepfather for a while before she became financially secure again so maybe she was just embarrassed and said "roommate". She also had boyfriends so they could've lived together. And if you bothered to read High On Arrival you'd see she wrote that she was always living with her son when Shane's dad didn't have him as part of their shared custody agreement and only didn't live with Shane while shooting episodes in Vancouver for So Weird - she didn't just leave him with her dad, Shane didn't want to leave his school and friends for Canada! She flew down every weekend and on show hiatus they'd be living together. In fact in an old 90s interview Mackenzie said that Shane was the one who actually encouraged her to go to the audition (she thought that she probably wouldn't get hired and thought about skipping the audition altogether)

by Anonymousreply 37411/17/2017

R372 my friend has known Laura (Mackenzie's real first name) for decades. Michelle and Scott McKenzie knew, members of the family knew, even Laura's closest friends knew. Sad and upsetting, but 100% true. In fact, my friend saw some things when Laura was young that made her suspicious... turns out that after the book's aftermath people close to Laura and John revealed that the abuse actually occurred much earlier and she repressed it as a child. Laura's still doesn't remember it happening that young, but according to those close to John, it did occur much earlier than 18. One person actually said that before Cass Elliot died (Laura was 14 when she passed) she told him that she suspected something was happening between them. So evidently many people were aware. I'm proud of Laura - she's one of the most gracious people I've ever met and has gone through a lot of traumatic things that she never dared to put in the book and that the public will never know. I'll never tell, but let's just say that John put her through worse things than what she wrote about (she was actually very respectful to him with what she revealed about their relationship). The rest of the family try to see John for all of his good qualities, but I personally think they revere him too much.

by Anonymousreply 37511/17/2017

Mackenzie and the cast speak about her drug use from around 1:13:30. Ignore the first hour of this vid - it's about Different Strokes before ODAAT starts

by Anonymousreply 37611/17/2017

no, she had a ROOMMATE and did not live with her son. He was in Calabasas with her and he moved out - said she was totally sloppy

by Anonymousreply 37711/17/2017

R377 well you're clearly lying and making that up because it hasn't been reported anywhere. And her son's father is a well-known guitarist so he was travelling around a lot (for example he played for Bruce Springsteen on his 1995 world tour and currently works with Graham Nash) so Mack always had custody and was living with her son unless she was working or Shane was visiting his dad. I don't know where you've heard about this "roommate" but it doesn't ring true and sounds more like hearsay than fact

by Anonymousreply 37811/17/2017

I am reading this thread and see the conversation but I think the guy or girl who is mentioning the roommate is not lying because I met mckenzie in new jersey once and read her book about healing and i remember in it she mentioned something about being scared she could not afford her apartment when her roommate moved out but then she got some job in Canada so it did not matter anyway so i think that this is true.

by Anonymousreply 37911/17/2017

So, whose hair is the stringiest?

by Anonymousreply 38011/17/2017

why do you keep talking about hair

by Anonymousreply 38111/17/2017

Michelle's strands don't even stick together it's fine and limp

by Anonymousreply 38211/17/2017


by Anonymousreply 38311/17/2017

R380 Michelle's scalp is now balding in her old age, Mackenzie's got medium-length red hair that is not balding. Let's leave it there, for god's sake.

by Anonymousreply 38411/17/2017

R380 - Meanwhile, mackenzie has no signs of baldness, no scalp visible, hair holds together. Hers is thicker. Is this stupid argument over with?

by Anonymousreply 38511/17/2017

Can the Stringy Hair troll start their own thread please?

by Anonymousreply 38611/18/2017

Really . I sold this woman the first car she ever owned

by Anonymousreply 38711/18/2017

[quote]Meanwhile, mackenzie has no signs of baldness

Consider who she worked for.

by Anonymousreply 38811/18/2017

Side note on this hair debacle: Bijou's been accused of yet another assault in the aftermath of Daniel Franzese. Heather Matarazzo - who worked with Bijou on Hostel 2 and played Lily in Princess Diaries - said that after being offered sleeping pills by the director on the set of Hostel 2 and refused because she was in her first year of sobriety - was slammed against a wall by Bijou who choked her for 15-20 seconds and said "I'll make sure you relapse on this movie"

by Anonymousreply 38911/18/2017

R382, R384 and R385 is the obsessed weirdo who keeps insisting that MacKenzie Phillip's hair is better than Michelle Phillip's. What a weirdo freak! Obviously in love with MacKenzie's Phillip'

by Anonymousreply 39011/18/2017

R390 I don't think they're obsessed with who's "better", it's who's "thicker". I don't know which one is more pathetic. Hair is hair. Who cares. The fact Mackenzie was an incest victim, now her sister bijou is accused of assault by another person and her sister's husband has 4 rape charges that have been stalled by the LAPD under Scientology influence is much more important.

by Anonymousreply 39111/18/2017

Bijou sounds like a mega cunt

by Anonymousreply 39211/18/2017

That is just EVIL, R389.

What the heck if wrong with this chick (Bijou)?

by Anonymousreply 39311/18/2017

Bijou also raped a girl at a club with a dildo and told her to "get over it". heres an article from the time.

And years later she condemned Mackenzie for revealing John's rape.

by Anonymousreply 39411/18/2017

she also cut off someone's finger almost with a cigar cutter.

what ever happened to mckenzie's first husband that she was briefly married to?

by Anonymousreply 39511/18/2017

R395 i heard a rumor he died but again that could just be false

by Anonymousreply 39611/18/2017

" Hair is hair. Who cares. "

Obviously the weirdo who keeps insisting MacKenzie Phillip's hair is superior to Michelle Phillip's cares. Cares very much indeed.

As for MacKenzie Phillips...well, she should have kept her family's dirty linen private. I think the whole coming out about her "affair" with her father served no purpose except to jump start her career as Victim. And there's nothing "important" about the antics of her sister's husband or Bijou Phillips. It's typical behavior for that fucked up family. They're ALL sleazebags of the highest order. And why should that surprise anybody?

by Anonymousreply 39711/18/2017

R397 but the entire family's disjointment and dysfunction is because of one person - John. He deserves to be held accountable for his misdemeanors and mackenzie was the only one with the initiative to do it while everyone else wanted to sweep it under the rug

by Anonymousreply 39811/18/2017

LOL who would've thought that Mackenzie is now one of the more well adjustment people in her family. Her sister bijou and brother in law Danny masterson sound like nightmares and very toxic people to be around

by Anonymousreply 39911/18/2017

R399 actually she doesn't paint herself as a pitiful victim if you read high on arrival. She says that yes, she was a victim in the sense John abused his power as a father, but that she bears no resentment and forgives him as he was clearly suffering from the effects of drug, alcohol and undiagnosed mental illness

by Anonymousreply 40011/18/2017

Mackenzie didn't come forward with this m to make money. Mackenzie came forward because she finally found her voice. If you let things that happen to you, remain inside, they find another way to break through. She tried to not remember it with drug use, very common for abused children.

by Anonymousreply 40111/18/2017

John Phillips was not a musical genius. MacKenzie Phillips is not a great actress. They're not great artists. None of this is interesting. It's National Enquirer level gossip about white-trashy people.

by Anonymousreply 40211/18/2017

R402 Are you serious? John was a brilliant songwriter and arranger. Mack was fantastic in American Graffiti and the producers of ODAAT wanted her to act loud and theatrical as Julie and even said "I cringe at my overacting". After she got sober and returned to ODAAT in the early 80s her acting was more realistic and less hypertheatrical. But again that didn't last long since she relapsed and got fired again.

by Anonymousreply 40311/18/2017

Very convincing, R403. I take back what I said. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 40411/18/2017

what ever happened with the guy that died with her now dead husband in the house of that rock star?

by Anonymousreply 40511/19/2017

Never trust a junkie.

by Anonymousreply 40611/19/2017

she is not a junkie anymore though - she has been sober for a long time now

by Anonymousreply 40711/19/2017

[quote]After she got sober and returned to ODAAT in the early 80s her acting was more realistic and less hypertheatrical.

Maybe that's because they moved from Metromedia, which is a TV studio, to Universal, which is a movie studio. The production values of the Lear shows went up around 1982, the year T.A.T acquired Avco Embassy; being around movie stars likely raised the bar for their shows' cast members (at least in this case), and improvements in video technology helped. But the trade-off was that Norman Lear himself, though still owner of the production company, no longer had enough time to give every show his attention because they had so many other shows and he had People for the American Way on his plate. The year the show ended they launched a bunch of flop shows and the one he was actually credited for, [italic]aka Pablo[/italic], was one of them.

by Anonymousreply 40811/19/2017

R406 and she now works as a substance use disorder counselor... people and all their vulnerabilities are entrusted to her everyday and she has to ensure their wellbeing is maintained throughout their stay at the treatment center she works at. I think she can be trusted. Just because she was a junkie doesn't exempt her from sexual abuse, in fact it makes her more vulnerable. also did you ever stop to think that the reason she was unable to stay clean for so many years was because of the emotional pain she went through at the hands of her father? She was self-medicating

by Anonymousreply 40911/19/2017

At least she's still alive, which puts her one step above me.

by Anonymousreply 41011/19/2017

R410 lol they were actually in the mandatory tutoring class together

by Anonymousreply 41111/19/2017

I heard her and bijou don’t speak

by Anonymousreply 41211/19/2017

R412 If you read some of the thread above you'd know that Mackenzie has since reconciled with her siblings, including Bijou. I think the kidney transplant made Bijou realize life's too short to remain estranged from her sister. Mackenzie was with Bijou in Chicago as she was recuperating from her transplant and Bijou stayed with Mack during the Labor Day weekend, as did her brother Jeffrey and his children.

by Anonymousreply 41311/19/2017

Yeah Mackenzie's personal Facebook is "Mack Phillips" which is for family and friends only and she's "friends" with all of her siblings (except Chynna who doesn't use Facebook). Bijou regularly likes and even comments on her posts - I think they finally healed this year

by Anonymousreply 41411/19/2017

I'm glad - her and bijou always seemed pretty close It's sweet the way bijou has her hand resting over Mack's here

by Anonymousreply 41511/19/2017

Sweet pic of bij and mack

by Anonymousreply 41611/19/2017

how many people do you think mckenie had sex with

by Anonymousreply 41711/20/2017

And how many people do you think Bijou had sex with?

by Anonymousreply 41811/20/2017

She has a lovely singing voice.

by Anonymousreply 41911/20/2017

R419 I agree! When she was on the Disney Channel science-fiction show "So Weird" her character was "the mom" - singer Molly Phillips (weird coincidence the initials MP were the same, she said that was a sign the job was meant for her) - and she actually had to sing many songs, one of which was used for the opening credits. I was surprised - I didn't think her singing voice would be good since she was a smoker but it actually was!

by Anonymousreply 42011/20/2017

Dennis Dunaway from Alice Cooper is old pals with Mackenzie! Nice photo of them together

by Anonymousreply 42111/21/2017

She looks cute there

by Anonymousreply 42211/21/2017

R421 wow that's a really nice photo of Mack with Dennis Dunaway. She looks good! It's nice to see some radiance in her (she always had a great smile), she looked like a tortured skeleton for many years...

Honestly, I think at 19 was the first time she remembered being raped. She had probably blocked out previous assaults. It NEVER starts at 19.

I think it's so hypocritical that Mackenzie was repeatedly raped while unconscious by her father and cut off from her family until recently, yet Bijou is actually married to a rapist and isn't estranged from any family members. Such double standards.

by Anonymousreply 42311/23/2017

The drugs may have screwed up appearance but I get why she was cast in American Graffiti, I always thought she had a cool look when she was young that was striking since she didn't fit the stereotype of the all-American blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl that we're so used to seeing on screen.

Her big brown eyes look really pretty here. She's a quarter Cherokee so she probably gets her eyes from that part of her ancestry.

by Anonymousreply 42411/23/2017

It breaks my heart that this girl had all the fame and money in the world but all she really wanted was to be loved and accepted and valued by her family. And her sicko father took advantage of her need for love and affection and abused his power. It never starts at 19. She was abused beforehand and blocked it out. That's often common with children of abuse - many can't remember it happening from such an early age because they unconsciously block it out and can't access the memories even when they're adults.

by Anonymousreply 42511/27/2017

[quote][R410] lol they were actually in the mandatory tutoring class together

It makes sense the same production company would use the same teachers for their kid/teen actors. One wonders how much the teachers knew about their extracurricular activities.

by Anonymousreply 42611/27/2017

I seriously doubt that Mackenzie Phillips is what could be called "well adjusted." She looks like she's still on drugs. And probably is.

by Anonymousreply 42711/27/2017

Well, she manages to stay thinner than Valerie Bertinelli these days.

by Anonymousreply 42811/27/2017

R427 she is sober and very adjusted. She works full-time on the senior leadership/management staff at a treatment center called "Breathe Life Healing Centers" in West Hollywood as "Director of Referral Relations and Primary Counselor". She also travels around the country a lot as a motivational/guest speaker. I had the pleasure of seeing her speak at an event and was very surprised - highly intelligent, eloquent, down-to-earth, genuine and a very gracious and witty lady. She's come a long way from her 2009 Oprah interview - it was clear to me that she's finally reached a very healthy, stable place in her life. And she's still got time to have a recurring role on the Netflix reincarnation of ODAAT playing a therapist - she finished shooting her season 2 scenes a little while ago. And she looks pretty sober to me here:

by Anonymousreply 42911/27/2017

Back in the day... circa 1998. Nice headshot.

by Anonymousreply 43011/30/2017

She scrubbed up alright back in her 90s sober days

by Anonymousreply 43111/30/2017

How does she tolerate Bijou and her rapist husband? Pity she seems too nice to disown them.

by Anonymousreply 43212/01/2017

R432 I think because Mackenzie was disowned from her family for so many years she was thrilled to have them back in her life again and let bygones be bygones. Also I think that with Bijou's recent health issues and kidney transplant they both knew how important it was to be in each other's lives, and they reconciled before Danny's rape allegations came to light so it would've been a big shock for Mackenzie. It must be so awkward for Mack to bite her tongue with the rest of the family in supporting Danny's innocence - as a rape victim herself (not just by John but Mackenzie was also raped at 14 at knifepoint when she hitchhiked from Sunset Boulevard), she'd 100% believe the women who are coming forward. However I'd imagine she wouldn't bring this up with her family and especially Bijou as they're now on the mend and wouldn't want to make relations worse... very uncomfortable for her I'm sure.

ALSO - with the stress of Danny's investigation and her kidney transplant bijou looks terrible - she posted this on Insta last week:

by Anonymousreply 43312/01/2017

Legally consent cannot be obtained from someone who is incapacitated by drugs or alcohol even if they are conscious so it was definitely rape. Morally he is her father, so he is totally responsible. When I first heard her story I wondered how she could continue to travel with him in later years as it continued to happen. Then I learned about "emotional incest". The two of them were so enmeshed. I have watched a biographical documentary on McKenzie which goes into detail about her childhood experiences. She was exposed to and unprotected in his chaotic lifestyle from the age of 5, drugs lying around everywhere. She and her brother were using from 10 or 11 and her father taught her to shoot up by shooting her up when she was still a teen. Her one aim in her very young life was to gain her father's approval and back then he wasn't remotely interested in her. Not something that's rare for a child but in the situation she was thrust into with him it was severe child abuse and neglect possibly creating a trauma bond and patterns that were wired into her that she was unable to change. She had been groomed and had her boundaries crossed all her life, the sexual assault was just the end result. Afterwards the way I managed to explain to myself why she stayed with him, was thinking it possible she was suffering stockholm syndrome which is something that can happen in child sexual abuse and rape.

by Anonymousreply 43412/01/2017

"She is sober and very adjusted."

Since you're not with her 24 hours a day you have no fucking idea whether or not she's "sober" or "well-adjusted." You're obviously a smitten fangurl, so your depiction of her is what you imagine her to be.

by Anonymousreply 43512/01/2017

R434 My niece was actually at Breathe (the treatment center Mackenzie works at) and I can attest to the person who said she was "sober and well-adjusted" that she actually is. She works full-time as "Director of Referral Relations and Primary Counselor", was in NY just this week at a CARE fundraising gala with her boss (the founder of "Breathe", Brad Lamm - who himself battled drug addiction), released a book earlier this year called "Hopeful Healing: Essays on Managing Addiction and Recovery" (which my niece read and it helped her immensely to know she could come out of her addiction), and used her free days off work to shoot scenes as part of her recurring role as a therapist on season 2 of the new Netflix ODAAT.

It is impossible to do all of that work if you're still using. She works as a substance disorder counselor full time - there's no way she'd be able to hold down a job and be dealing with clients 24/7 if she were high. You're deluded. I had the pleasure of meeting her while my niece was in treatment - my niece was at ease in counseling sessions because she knew Mackenzie had her own substance abuse problems and hence wasn't intimidated by her as a counselor - and when I met her it was fairly obvious that she was most definitely clean and sober and on a new path in life. And I can tell when someone is using drugs - my family has had a history of substance abuse.

It's so hurtful and insensitive for you to say that someone who works with addicts and is entrusted with their welfare as part of their duty of care to patients can continue to abuse drugs. Especially to someone like me, whose niece felt very safe and comfortable with Mackenzie and felt able to talk to her honestly and openly about her problems. Thanks to the treatment team at Breathe - including Mackenzie - my niece is now 9 months clean. For you to suggest Mackenzie still abuses drugs and is scamming everyone is not only disrespectful to all the work she's doing but to her character and to all the people she's helped, such as my family, and 100% false. Screw you. You should be ashamed of yourself. Clearly you're too dumb to realize that the main reason she even had drug problems was to cope with what her father did to her. Since revealing the incest she hasn't had to hide the pain with drugs anymore.

by Anonymousreply 43612/01/2017

omg - I am sure she is sober; the woman works at a rehab for god's sake! ridiculous. she is acting as well and doing both -- I doubt she could make it to a set high on heroin. she'd be dead by now if she were not sober so there is your proof that she is fine.

by Anonymousreply 43712/02/2017

Mackenzie decluttering her closet and finding old syringes in her clothes!

4:00 into video she talks about a sofa she was to toss, even though Bjiou desperately wanted it (as it was John Phillips sofa), but Bjiou cut off contact with her, This was BEFORE they reconciled

by Anonymousreply 43812/02/2017

R438 Actually Mackenzie didn't toss the sofa. In this follow-up interview she says that she called up Bijou's manager to give it to her. Yeah, Mack's gracious enough to give her bitter sister her rapist father's chair even when bijou refuses to speak to her over the molestation her father committed and she won't even grant her the courtesy of handling it herself and thanking Mack personally - Bijou gets her manager to organise the transfer. Disgusting.

Mackenzie also forgot she had some of John's old clothing (including his favorite plaid shirt which he wore in the last photo taken of him and her before his death), and while she was encouraged to throw it out she resolved to give it to another family member. Again, incredibly big of her considering she must've felt a lot of anger and aversion and would've instinctively wanted to throw out any traces of him.

by Anonymousreply 43912/02/2017

R427 You and anyone else who thinks she's using is an idiot - she works full time in a rehab center you imbecile. There's no way she could get away with using drugs when she's surrounding by clinicians and addicts on a daily basis.

by Anonymousreply 44012/02/2017

R439 thanks for that, as I was always wondering what happened to the sofa

by Anonymousreply 44112/02/2017

I've heard people remark how Mackenzie could've been a big star if it weren't for the drugs and her father's abuse and what a shame it is blah blah blah. People are totally missing the point.

Her father destroyed her life and now she's turned her life 180 degrees around and is now the one helping addicts in need through her work as a health care professional.

To me, that's more worthy of praise and importance than any Oscar or movie billing will ever be.

That venomous snake Michelle Phillips had the audacity to say "Mackenzie is jealous of her siblings who have accomplished a lot and did not become drug addicts."

Firstly, both Chynna and Bijou admitted to having drug problems and have exhibited addict behavior: -Chynna: "My relationship — or lack thereof — with my dad, really impacted me as a child. I had a lot of abandonment issues, and I just didn't understand why I couldn't have a father around like some of my other friends did. At the time, everyone was keeping me from the big secret: that my dad had this massive drug addiction. I felt so hurt and scarred on the inside, that I ended up turning to drugs and alcohol as a teenager, to put a bandage on my emotions. I didn't know how to deal and that was just me trying to cope. Then I dropped out of school and it just wasn't a good scene" -Bijou: "I was 12 years old and smoking pot and dropping acid and going nuts... When I got older I had been doing coke the whole night before my friend's funeral - he died of a heroine overdose - and I was hysterically crying. My nose was all fucked up. And then I got a full-on bloody nose. I was a mess. Two days later, I took Ecstasy and started taking all this heroin. I called up my dad and he sent me to a rehab in Arizona. In my 20s I was still fucked up and doing all kinds of drugs and ecstasy and pills and coke and shit, but I'm over that now."

Secondly, Mackenzie was in a cult-classic movie, a hit TV-sitcom, did a really successful Disney Channel series, and is now part of the senior leadership staff at her treatment center in addition to being a published writer of two books and a motivational speaker. And she achieved all of this while conquering a debilitating drug addiction. If that doesn't qualify as "accomplished a lot", then I don't know what does.

Michelle can stick that up her old saggy ass. I don't understand how a woman can stick up for a perverted man and condemn her victimized stepdaughter when the only reason she was screwed up for so many years is because of what he did to her. John refused to have any contact with Michelle within the last decade prior to his death and repeatedly attacked her character, yet she defends him... bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 44212/02/2017

"You and anyone else who thinks she's using is an idiot - she works full time in a rehab center you imbecile. There's no way she could get away with using drugs when she's surrounding by clinicians and addicts on a daily basis."

You idiot raving Mackenzie Phillips fangurls are unbelievable. Unless all the "clinicians and addicts" are with her 24 hours a day, seven days a week, they have no idea whether she is "using" or not. In the privacy of her home she might be drinking wine or smoking pot; some addicts think drinking "light" alcohol and smoking grass doesn't count as "using." You dumb asses have no fucking idea whether she's using or not. You just want to believe that she is, being the insipid fangurls that you are.

by Anonymousreply 44312/02/2017

Mackenzie was at the Kennedy Center Honors last night with Norman Lear

by Anonymousreply 44412/04/2017

She looks so healthy there. I wonder if Val bothered to show up.

I just got the complete boxed set of ODAAT for 45 bucks on Ebay!

by Anonymousreply 44512/04/2017

um...mackenzie is a liar and a junkie - period. see has no integrity and cannot be trusted. she has stabbed so many people in the back and where did it get her ? no one likes her anyway. she is ugly and lives with her child who is a grown adult / loser! sad really. and she already fucked everyone in town man woman and beast - but still no b/f (or in her case, g/f) -

by Anonymousreply 44612/06/2017

So the old man went all along.

by Anonymousreply 44712/06/2017

what old man?

by Anonymousreply 44812/06/2017

R446= Michelle

by Anonymousreply 44912/06/2017

why does her son still live with her then.

by Anonymousreply 45012/06/2017

What is it any of your business, R450?

by Anonymousreply 45112/06/2017

just wondering. why a grown man lives with his mommy

by Anonymousreply 45212/06/2017

My last boyfriend has lived with his mother ever since he's been recovering from an accident.

by Anonymousreply 45312/06/2017

that's not the case with Mackenzie Philips however is it?

by Anonymousreply 45412/06/2017

Guys her son has a full-time job working for a music company. He moved out with his friends years ago and only moved back in to help Mackenzie after her relapse and return from rehab as a support mechanism. He saved up for his own place and he's out now.

And 446 - honestly, shut up. You love to spin lies. She's clean and has been working full-time for a treatment center for many years and has earned the love and respect of all those around her, particularly her co-workers and family with whom she's finally reconciled. She can be trusted as she deals with addicts every single day. She's not a bad influence anymore, and for the love of god she's not a freaking lesbian - I don't know why you're so obsessed to suggest she's gay!! She's been married twice to men for goodness sake. She admitted that she experimented with girls as a teen but I guarantee that's the case with nearly all pubescent women... even Chynna talked about having sex with her one of her close friends on Howard Stern as a teen because boyfriends weren't satisfying her sexually.

And the only reason she was a junkie is because her father turned her onto drugs and made sure she stayed on them. He got her to roll joints from 11 and was the first person to shoot her up with cocaine as a teen. John did nothing with his career in the 70s and was a pathetic druggie so he figured he'd take down Mackenzie with him. The incest also fuelled her drug use as it was a means of self-medication for the emotional turmoil she was experiencing.

And she doesn't look that bad today - sure she screwed up her face with all the cocaine but I saw this pic of her and Norman and she looks okay compared to how most ex-addicts look:

by Anonymousreply 45512/06/2017

jeez - why are you so defensive of her and how do you know so much about her and what her son is doing and where he now lives?

by Anonymousreply 45612/06/2017

re: comment 454 - who's obsessed? and why "love to spin lies" - where are you getting that from?

by Anonymousreply 45712/06/2017

R457 because R446 was saying she's a lesbian junkie with no friends. He has no corroboration saying that and it's completely untrue - he knows no details of her personal life whatsoever. She works full-time as a counselor and motivational speaker, has nearly 1850 friends on her personal fb account and has only been in proper intimate, romantic relationships with men.

by Anonymousreply 45812/06/2017

Facebook friends are not friends

by Anonymousreply 45912/06/2017

Although I've never met Mackenzie myself, I have mutual friends with her - many of whom also work in the treatment field - and they have nothing but nice, positive things to say about her. And someone above in the friend made multiple comments about her sexuality... she is NOT a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 46012/06/2017

she has claimed to be bi-sexual in interviews and that she is all of the various orientations. she said it and I am sure. my wife showed me the article so I know that I am right.

by Anonymousreply 46112/06/2017

Why is it so hard for people to believe that a former drug addict has friends? She's a different person now, it's not impossible to think that people would want to be around her and have her friendship nowadays. I saw her at a Bistro in L.A. literally 2 months ago with a big group of people who all appeared to be close and having a great time. She seemed pretty content and wholesome to me with a lot of loved ones around her. I'm pretty sure she said in an interview months after the book came out that while her family relationships were compromised, she had a lot of people around her acting as support networks and good friends.

by Anonymousreply 46212/06/2017

R461 well you're not right, or Mack was misquoted. In her book High On Arrival she wrote, and I quote - "At the time [as a teenager] I thought my open sexuality was natural, but in reality it was the drugs. I'm straight."

by Anonymousreply 46312/06/2017

Why does this thread even exist? She's clean, she's healthy, she now works at a treatment center and she's reconciled with her family. End of story. The Phillips family drama isn't even centered around her anymore. Her brother-in-law Danny Masterson, husband to Bijou, has just been fired from his Netflix show "The Ranch" amid 4 rape allegations and a police investigation. Every day must be tough for Mackenzie's family right now.

by Anonymousreply 46412/07/2017

She's still close with Glenn Scarpelli and Valerie Bertinelli. I read in one of Glenn's Facebook comments about Mackenzie in a photo posted of the two of them that "If I weren't gay, I'd marry her" lol such a sweet thing to say about a friend

Her and Candy Clark became good friends and still are to this day - even despite Mackenzie's drug use. I watched a Biography on Mack and Candy recounted that she took her to the hospital after an overdose but still "stuck with her". Candy said that with other friends who became addicts "I'd leave them, but with Mackenzie you put up with a lot because she's very magnetic".

by Anonymousreply 46512/07/2017

I can't believe that family has scored themselves another freaking rapist... normally I think "innocent until proven guilty" but Danny's had police reports filed against him since 2001. Must be killing Mack to bite her tongue and go along with supporting bijou when she'd internally be siding with Danny's victims

by Anonymousreply 46612/07/2017

Yeah, Mackenzie's a victim of incest and rape and Bijou shuts her out. Danny Masterson is under a police investigation with "overwhelming" evidence - beyond just "allegations" - and Mackenzie is supporting her little sister in this difficult time. Bijou should be thankful Mackenzie's not still holding grudges to all the bitchy moves Bijou pulled... can't believe she's married to a rapist. Well actually, with that family anything's possible lol next thing we'll hear is Billy Baldwin in some scandal

by Anonymousreply 46712/07/2017

it is not hard to believe that a junkie has friends - it is that she is no longer friends with all the people she hurt and lied to and stole from she is not nice

by Anonymousreply 46812/07/2017

She seems...normal to me. She happened to have a rather intense relationship with her father...what’s the problem?

by Anonymousreply 46912/07/2017

Ivanka - I like your use of the word "happens" instead of "happened" - yes, I agree. She does HAVE a strange relationship with her father, as she is still in love with him.

by Anonymousreply 47012/07/2017

Why are you arguing over her sexuality when she said in the book she tried it and didn't like it when you've already got me!

by Anonymousreply 47112/07/2017

I'm not trying to be mean, but there are a few fangirl/fangirls in this thread that are coming off a wee bit OTT (to me, anyway).

by Anonymousreply 47212/07/2017

In all fairness, you should have anticipated this when the ODAAT DVD box set came out.

by Anonymousreply 47312/07/2017

I think she was brainwashed as a child. It's like she grew up in a cult and her dad was the leader.

by Anonymousreply 47412/07/2017

she wasn't brainwashed she is a sympathy seeker who is responsible for her adult actions -- she was old enough to know better when she had her relationship with her father; old enough to get married - old enough to cheat on her husband (what even happened to that person) - old enough to work full time - old enough to be a home owner - old enough to have a child - old enough to pay taxes - old enough to know not to tell anyone what she was doing to avoid getting the response from them that she knew she would get - old enough to hurt her step-mother who was married to the guy - and old enough to be doing this while one of her friends was actually dating him at the time and confiding in her about their relationship - a woman who is no doubt no longer speaking to this liar.

by Anonymousreply 47512/07/2017

Preach it r475.

by Anonymousreply 47612/07/2017

Mackenzie's not a liar R475 - you have no idea how scared victims of incest are to speak out!! Also what do you mean that "one of her friends was dating him [John]". You have no factual basis for that whatsoever you're just throwing info around without corroboration.

You people are sick - you're so unsympathetic with what it's like to experience abuse from a parent. You don't understand she fell into a Stockholm Syndrome dynamic and was afraid to speak out while he was alive.

And you have no idea who she stayed friends with and who she didn't. Stop making assumptions.

by Anonymousreply 47712/07/2017

You idiots who are screaming "she's not a liar!" and "she's clean!" DON'T EVER KNOW HER. I'd say you shrieking ninnies are the ones who are "making assumptions."

by Anonymousreply 47812/07/2017

I was a drug addict and hit bottom at one point in my life. I had to climb my way back out. It took years, not as long as MP but years. I really feel for her. What her father did to her was beyond the pale. She shouldn't take any responsibility for that. And she shows a lot of class for not going after Bijou and her husband (probably because Bijou went through the same thing she did).

by Anonymousreply 47912/07/2017

her whole family is fucked up. i believe it all.

by Anonymousreply 48012/07/2017

Bijou and michelle seem so awful that it's hard to not want bad things to happen to them.

They will always paint john in a good light to keep his albums selling and his songs being played.

by Anonymousreply 48112/07/2017

Both Michelle and Genevieve have recounted stories of physical and emotional abuse from john (john even admitted to getting "physical" with gen in his autobiography, Michelle said he once put her in hospital in a vanity fair article) and Bijou has on multiple occasions pre-2009 said he was no role model (and that's putting it lightly). Only with Mackenzie's truth-bomb did they wipe over all the crap he did and stuff they said about him and painted him as a great guy. Please.

by Anonymousreply 48212/07/2017

I don't usually indulge in these online gossip forums but I feel that I have to make a comment in response to the barrage of insults and scepticism exhibited towards Mackenzie.

I'm a producer and writer who has worked in L.A. for many years.

In the mid-80s, I was commissioned to work on an M&P biopic with John Cusack (John), Chynna Phillips (Michelle) and Rikki Lake (Cass) slated to star. For various legal and bitter personal issues between John and Michelle, as well as inconsistencies in stories (John was a pathological liar) and greed, I saw the project fall apart. John, in particular, was very difficult to work with.

During this time, I was also dating Michelle. It was made personally known to me about John and Mackenzie's situation. Years after John died, when Mackenzie gained the strength and courage to bear her truth, Michelle did an about-face and conveyed to the press that Mackenzie's credibility should be questioned. It pissed me off that people around Mackenzie denied the truth and suggested that she was lying in order to protect John and his legacy. Knowing John and Michelle personally for many years, I can attest that many people knew about the incest, and that John suffered from sexual confusions causing a twisted and uncontrollable fixation on Mackenzie.

by Anonymousreply 48312/07/2017

Wow R483. You were dating like THE California Girl archetype? She was sooo beautiful. I think you're right in that it was common knowledge in the family and Michelle acted shocked when Mackenzie came out with it in her book. That's why, when it comes to incest, people don't tell. It's THE taboo subject, in that it's so frightfully common. My father claimed to be sexually abused by his mother and his therapist told him to write a letter detailing the abuse and send it to his four brother's and sisters. Nobody believed him. (It was true.) Maybe Michelle saw using it as a publicity ploy on Mackenzie's part to make a buck. But yeah, I'd heard they all knew about it. And if you can't find support in your family where will you get it? It's getting a lot of five star reviews on Amazon so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 48412/07/2017

what happened to her first husband? did he die and how so?

by Anonymousreply 48512/07/2017

[quote]In the mid-80s, I was commissioned to work on an M&P biopic with John Cusack (John), Chynna Phillips (Michelle) and Rikki Lake (Cass) slated to star.

This would have been awful. John Phillips was smart to interfere and ruin the project.

by Anonymousreply 48612/07/2017

[quote]Years after John died, when Mackenzie gained the strength and courage to bear her truth, [bold]and she needed money and Dr. Drew needed publicity,[/bold]

Fixed it for you.

by Anonymousreply 48712/07/2017

R483 what is a straight guy doing on DL?

by Anonymousreply 48812/07/2017

R484 Michelle was sexy, but very high maintenance.

Mackenzie was, and still remains, a very cool chick. And in her day, very sexy. Not beautiful, just sexy as hell.

I saw Mackenzie last year, and let me tell you - she's sober. She's openly admitted to having an addictive personality and the suggestions above that she could take drugs at home before and after going to work is not feasible. I've known addicts like Mackenzie and she wouldn't be able to limit her drug use just to her home, it would seep into her working life too and become very apparent. It's hard for many strangers in this thread to believe she lives a simple, stable life now but she actually does. When she's not based in LA , she's travelling around the country for her work and is very grounded nowadays. Hard to believe, I know, but it's true - people change. And in Mackenzie's case, she's living a much better, fulfilling and happier life. Especially with her family back.

by Anonymousreply 48912/07/2017

[quote]I don't usually indulge in these online gossip forums

Yet you happened to see this thread on a site you don't visit, and you knew how to reply to R484 so easily. It takes most people a few posts before they understand that format.

by Anonymousreply 49012/07/2017

[R490] I think you meant [R483] - and I agree with you. It was probably Mackenzie herself - sticking up for herself online in her own defense. That's my guess. Hi Mackenzie! how are you?

by Anonymousreply 49112/07/2017

Yes I was quoting and replying to R483. An obvious longtime DL'er posing as this writer, producer.

by Anonymousreply 49212/07/2017

"Meanwhile, mackenzie has no signs of baldness, no scalp visible, hair holds together. Hers is thicker. Is this stupid argument over with?"

Not for YOU, it isn't. You seem VERY VERY VERY invested in dissing Michelle Phillip's hair in favor of MacKenzie Phillip's. Actually, MacKenzie Phillip's hair looks like shit, a very severe and unflattering do. It doesn't look any better than Michelle Phillip's. And in some photos it looks like a wig. So I guess you should shut up about the beauty of MacKenzie Phillip's hair. You sound so ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 49312/07/2017

what happened to her first husband - how did he die? he and she were there when someone died in upstate New York in the house of Anita pallenberg and Mackenzie and the guy would not let the family in to the house when they found out her brother died there and was shot in the head

by Anonymousreply 49412/07/2017

R490 and R491 hate to burst your bubbles but R483 is legit - just found a Facebook post of his which is similarly worded. Click on the link below which will take you to his post that also includes a photo of him and Michelle:

by Anonymousreply 49512/08/2017

R493 her hair doesn't look "severe and unflattering" - this photo was literally taken a day ago and her hair looks fine.

Stop with this stupid hair debate.

by Anonymousreply 49612/08/2017

Guys R495 is correct R483 is a legit insider - here is his post from the Facebook link R495 posted in full: "Having been involved with The Mamas and The Papas biopic movie as a screenwriter and producer, I worked closely with Michelle Phillips and John Phillips, and at the time, Chynna was set to portray Michelle, Jon Cusack as Papa John, and Rikki Lake as Mama Cass. I also got to see it all fall apart, due to greed and pure dislike between Michelle and John. There were lots of inconsistencies and non-truths bandied about, and it was personally shared with me about John and MacKenzie's scenario. Yet, after John died, and Mackenzie came forth with her powerful book and bore witness to her trauma, Michelle did an about face, and conveyed to the press, that Mackenzie's credibility was questionable. I respect Mackenzie's courage and hope I can stop by and show my support. And it would be nice to see her again, as she was in no condition to recall the first time we met in Hollywood. Rock on, girl. You look great. Hope to see you on Sunday."

by Anonymousreply 49712/08/2017


by Anonymousreply 49812/08/2017

R489 - I believe you about Mackenzie but I disagree about her "sexiness." I mean she looks better now than ever but sexy? I don't know. I worked on the Metromedia lot when they were filming ODAAT there and she was heading toward the bottom and I'd see her around town and never saw her as attractive. (She's no Michelle.) This would be the 70s. Then, in 1995 I was standing outside my office building in NYC and she came walking down the street talking on a cell phone and looking like she was on top of the world, like she'd finally gotten her shit together. She looked good. I hear Tatum O'Neal is back on drugs big time and selling herself to get them. Just hope Mackenzie has conquered her demons for good. What she lived through is the kind of thing that can seep back into your consciousness and send you off the deep end at any time. Glad she's doing good work with others. I wish her nothing but good luck.

by Anonymousreply 49912/08/2017

R499 he knew her in the 80s so who knows what she was like then. Maybe he's referring to the fact that she was charming and fun to be around so while she wasn't a classic beauty like Michelle, her charisma and "coolness" (as he said before) made her sexy? I don't know. She seems nice though. I met her at a deli once and she was sweet lol

by Anonymousreply 50012/08/2017

She's a Lakers and Yankees fan. I like her.

by Anonymousreply 50112/08/2017

Interesting perspective on Mackenzie by Pat Harrington:

by Anonymousreply 50212/08/2017

Casting chynna as Michelle would be so fucking stupid as they look nothing alike despite being daughter/mother. And chynna playing michelle opposite Cusack as her own father john in love and sex scenes? Yuck yuck yuck

But carnie wilson as mama cass would have been inspired

by Anonymousreply 50312/08/2017

R503 Chynna was on Howard Stern in 1995 and Howard made some joke about her being a "firecracker in bed because of daddy issues" and Chynna said (right after admitting she's been in therapy for decades) "If I need to find my father through Billy then I will". Ew. Gross. Literally vying for her dad's approval in her sexual partner. Yuck. She's probably jealous John picked Mackenzie over her.

by Anonymousreply 50412/08/2017

Mackenzie was raped more than once as a teenager-the perils of hitchhiking and trolling for drugs in the seedier parts of Los Angeles. She has no boundaries sexually. Her moral filtering was altered.

by Anonymousreply 50512/08/2017

R505 Mackenzie's rape at 14 was not due to searching for drugs. She and her friends were on Sunset Boulevard and were looking for a ride home. Her scumbag of a father was probably too stoned to pick her up himself.

by Anonymousreply 50612/08/2017

Mackenzie is straight - she said in her book the only times she had "dalliances" with girls as a teen was when she was using - which obviously freed up her inhibitions as it would with anyone on drugs. She said when she was young she didn't really give much thought to her sexuality because she was brought up in such a permissive, typically 70s environment where the attitude was "whatever turns you on, kid" (this was something her father actually said to her). Then she realized it was the drugs warping everything and that in a sober mentality she was straight. Besides, who hasn't experimented sexually as a teenager? People are all like "ooh she hooked up with girls as a teen so she must be bisexual". Many women have lesbian flings in their youth just to try something different and see what they like. That doesn't mean she swings both ways - she's being in long-term relationships with men her whole life. Peter Asher was her first love, I think. He was separated from his wife for 2 years and kept stalling the divorce, so Mackenzie broke it off and then Peter went on to marry Mackenzie's former assistant Wendy. Weird.

by Anonymousreply 50712/08/2017

[quote] Mackenzie was raped more than once as a teenager-the perils of hitchhiking and trolling for drugs in the seedier parts of Los Angeles. She has no boundaries sexually. Her moral filtering was altered.

The people at T.A.T. who produced her show couldn't possibly have been completely oblivious to everything that was happening to her. Obviously they knew something was wrong if they made her leave the show twice.

by Anonymousreply 50812/08/2017

does anyone actually know how her first husband died???

by Anonymousreply 50912/08/2017

R509 I think he had an illness, maybe cancer or something? I really don't know but I think I read something about him dying but it wasn't drug-related or anything, I'm pretty sure it was some sort of disease

by Anonymousreply 51012/09/2017

What was his name

by Anonymousreply 51112/09/2017

Jeff sessler

by Anonymousreply 51212/09/2017

Mackenzie just posted this photo from New York - Wow, what a happy face! Recovery looks awesome on her... And this is coming from a long-time Valerie fan.

Say what you want about her looks and her relationship with her father, but in all seriousness I have never seen her looking like more of a human being. I really do wish her all the best, it's great that she's finally healthy now.

by Anonymousreply 51312/09/2017

she's got some teeth!

by Anonymousreply 51412/09/2017

R496, it is YOU who cannot let go of this "stupid hair debate." You are obviously in love with MacKenzie's Phillip's hair. If she let you you'd probably eat it. You are seriously fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 51512/09/2017

R513 Never thought I'd see the day where Mackenzie has a healthy set of teeth and clear skin! LOL! She looks surprisingly good, nice smile

by Anonymousreply 51612/09/2017

[quote]I really do wish her all the best, it's great that she's finally healthy now.

Me too.

by Anonymousreply 51712/09/2017

Am I the only one who thinks Michelle was never all that pretty? I don't think she's unattractive or anything and I guess I can see how she might be some people's type but I always thought she was just "meh".

And Bijou totally sounds like she has Borderline Personality Disorder. Probably made worse by drugs. What a complete mess.

by Anonymousreply 51812/09/2017

R518 Michelle was pretty, no doubt, but I think she was overblown and didn't really warrant all the attention she got for her "California Girl" looks. When I'd watch her on Knots Landing I thought she looked like every other typical, basic blonde you'd meet -- thin, blue-eyes, straight hair. I'm not saying Michelle was unattractive, I just don't think she had any unique or special features that set her apart from every other beautiful girl in Los Angeles to garner all the attention she got. The whole fawning of "Michelle Phillips was the most beautiful woman in the world" is bogus - I think Sharon Tate and Catherine Deneuve were far more beautiful and had the kinds of distinctive physical attributes that really gave them that "WOW" factor.

by Anonymousreply 51912/09/2017

Oh for crap's sake, her "nice smile" consists of too large veneers. She has what is called "tombstone teeth." I guess she's grown out of her acne, but in its place are wrinkles. I wouldn't say she looks good.

by Anonymousreply 52012/09/2017

Michelle Phillips was a gorgeous flower child.

Hard to understand John deciding to have sex with his own daughter after being married to a goddess like Michelle.

by Anonymousreply 52112/09/2017

Val Bertinelli should get some attention on this thread too.

by Anonymousreply 52212/09/2017

It's subjective, but I thought that Michelle was beautiful, appearance-wise, in her day.

by Anonymousreply 52312/09/2017

R520 she's nearly 60 years old now you moron of course she'd have some wrinkles. Do you expect her to get a facelift like every other LA bozo who is afraid of aging??

by Anonymousreply 52412/09/2017

Valerie Bertinelli's fat again

by Anonymousreply 52512/09/2017

Isn't Valerie short? Shorter (and older) people, in general, seem to have to harder time with weight.

by Anonymousreply 52612/09/2017

R525 She's around 5 foot 4 or 5 foot 5 - average size for a woman. And height's got nothing to do with it. Valerie has openly admitted that's she's always had issues with overeating and using food for comfort. She's talked about it in many interviews. I think she was on Dr Oz just last month and said still struggles with body confidence and over-indulging in food as a coping mechanism and source of comfort.

by Anonymousreply 52712/09/2017

R527 she's more like 5'3" at most and she's Italian - it's just in the genes. She has to discipline herself to the point of misery to merely be of average weight, like she was when she started HiC.

I'm 5'9" have no Mediterranean in me and I eat a ton of crap and even if I ate more the most that would happen would be the middle aged spread , but I would still appear very thin to others (if I were clothed).

by Anonymousreply 52812/09/2017

According to Google, Valerie is 164 cm - which translates to a little over 5 foot 4 inches. Most women are around the height.

In the November 2017 article of People Magazine, she did an interview and said this: "The chef admits she’s had to work at having a healthy relationship with food since hitting a rough patch two years ago. “I was unconsciously and emotionally eating,” she says. Bertinelli continues, “I’m still tying to find that common ground and that comfort zone.""

Clearly, her diet is the root cause of her weight issues, not her height. She's admitted to having a toxic relationship with food for many years and eating unhealthily when she can't control herself. She's gained all the weight she lost when she did Jenny Craig years ago.

by Anonymousreply 52912/09/2017

GUYS. Chrissie Bixler, who is Danny Masterson's ex-girlfriend and rape victim - just posted this on Twitter about Mackenzie's sister Bijou:

"Random thought of the day: if I gave you my second kidney so your rich white privileged ass wouldn’t have to go on a waiting list like everyone else, and then I found out you were drinking heavily and smoking everyday.... oh, hell no! Oh, hell f*cking no! ‪#appledidntfallfar"‬

‪Bijou sounds like a spoiled, ungrateful bitch. Her father was a rapist and she marries a rapist. Boy is she winning at life right now.‬

‪If you're interested in more Phillips family goss -- check out all the crazy stories about Bijou here: ‪Get the popcorn out - the anecdotes are hysterical and super screwed up. Bijou's crazy. ‬

by Anonymousreply 53012/10/2017

Why is Bijou drinking red wine if she's had a kidney transplant??

by Anonymousreply 53112/10/2017

John did the same thing-he kept drinking after his liver transplant.

by Anonymousreply 53212/10/2017

It's so pathetic and weak that Chynna is enabling this behavior. And Bijou is still smoking too!! She hasn't given up the alcohol or cigarettes, what a loser. She's a mother to a little girl, yet is acting like spoiled, rich child who thinks she's invincible because she got to skip the transplant waiting list and get a kidney from a friend. I can't see her living a long, healthy life if she's indulging in alcohol and smoking less than a year after her transplant already.

by Anonymousreply 53312/10/2017

why are you saying bijou smokes? I don't think that is the case - also - you don't know what is in that glass do you?

by Anonymousreply 53412/10/2017

R534 If you clicked on the photo link to Instagram you'd see Chynna captions it as "Green juice and red wine... gotta get your antioxidants somehow #secondbook #truth #shesgottahaveit"

One of Danny Masterson's rape victims - Chrissie Carnell-Bixler" - posted a tweet saying she found out Bijou is not only drinking after her transplant but smoking too. She's been a smoker for years and still hasn't given up the habit.

by Anonymousreply 53512/10/2017

R534 Chynna's caption clearly states that Bijou has red wine in her glass. Here is a tweet by Danny's Masterson's ex-girlfriend and rape victim critizing Bijou's lifestyle choices and her continuation to drink and smoke post-transplant.

by Anonymousreply 53612/10/2017

Danny's former girlfriend and rape victim Chrissie Bixler posted this about Bijou on Twitter:

"She’s proud of it. Posts photos drinking martinis and wine at noon. My friend in LA sees her buying cigarettes everyday at CVS. Weird only 6 months out of this alleged surgery."

Disgusting, but not surprised to hear this about Bijou.

by Anonymousreply 53712/11/2017

Uh which CVS?

by Anonymousreply 53812/11/2017

why would you ask which CVS - who cares? also - she does not smoke she may drink but probably is not an alcoholic if she does so what the f do you care anyway - also - this is Mackenzie's thread - why are you talking about bijou.

by Anonymousreply 53912/11/2017

R539 Actually Bijou does smoke. I saw her outside of an LA restaurant with her friends a few months ago smoking. I thought it was weird because a) she's had a transplant and b) her friends did nothing to stop it.

Bizarre that Chynna is also enabling her drinking. Wonder what Mackenzie must think about it!!

by Anonymousreply 54012/11/2017

maybe she was just vaping

by Anonymousreply 54112/11/2017

R539, how many quadrants of your brain are you missing? Hopefully a DLer in the area will run her over. Or at least put photos of her puffing away (replete with her donated organ) on the web.

Imagine the life of bijou's child? Clam beliefs, psychotic and slutty mum, scary as fuck stepdad...

by Anonymousreply 54212/11/2017

When I was a teen in Vancouver (around 1999), Mackenzie and Valerie came into an ice-cream store I worked at. Mackenzie was working on a Disney Channel show called "So Weird" at the time which was shot here in Canada, and I think Valerie was shooting something in town too. Both were really genuine and down to earth! They seemed to have a really sweet, steady bond as friends and I hear they're still friends today.

by Anonymousreply 54312/11/2017

I think I got a cavity just reading your post, R543.

I imagine Valerie hanging out with Donnie and Marie Osmond, not Mackenzie. Even though she married Eddie Van Halen, she'll always have a wholesome, bland quality to her. The opposite of Mackenzie Phillips.

by Anonymousreply 54412/11/2017

R544 - ha!! Valerie's not as innocent as you think - she's admitted to doing cocaine with both Mackenzie and Eddie, and cheating on him during their marriage (although I wouldn't blame her for that - he screwed anything that moved). Val and Mack were really close during ODAAT but once Mackenzie hit rock bottom with the drugs, Valerie distanced herself (which Mack said hurt her but that she completely understood why Val backed off). It wasn't until the 90s after Mackenzie got clean that she reached out to Valerie to make amends and the two of them got close again.

by Anonymousreply 54512/11/2017

I don’t think they are actually friends who hang out

by Anonymousreply 54612/11/2017

They're both on different paths now away from acting - Valerie with her cooking show, Mackenzie with her rehab work. But they've both said that they still keep in touch.

Months ago, both Valerie and Mackenzie were featured in a magazine called "Long Island Woman". Mackenzie said: "It's a good relationship, and we get along great. It wasn't always that way. I didn't blame her for anything, and I don't know if she blamed me or not. I just loved her from afar until she was ready to be in a relationship with me again. When she was, we have been close ever since. There's an open and loving line of communication between us. She has her cooking show, which I've guested on almost every season that it's been on air. Her husband Tom and I are friends, too. Valerie and I are only six months apart in age, so there's a time of the year when we're both the same age. When April 23rd comes around every year, I know she's caught up with me at least for the next six months. I always text her, and we laugh about it."

by Anonymousreply 54712/11/2017

Mackenzie Phillips once stole cocaine from James Taylor. I don't know why, but I think that's so freaking cool

by Anonymousreply 54812/11/2017

Chynna's pretty but whenever she posts a photo that captures the immense size of her forehead I'm always a little weirded out that it's even possible for someone to have such a big space between hairline and eyebrows

by Anonymousreply 54912/12/2017

Agreed r549. That is one hell of a forehead. You could project movies onto that thing.

by Anonymousreply 55012/12/2017

Why is it cool that MP stole? She stole from a lot of people. She once claimed to have stolen a "friend's" stash of drugs and then helped her "look" for them for 45 minutes!!!!! WTF -- people don't change.

by Anonymousreply 55112/12/2017

[quote] Mackenzie Phillips once stole cocaine from James Taylor. I don't know why, but I think that's so freaking cool

Consider everything James Taylor stole.

by Anonymousreply 55212/12/2017

R551 the difference between high and sober mean a person can be two very different things. In an ODAAT interview they were discussing Mack's drug years, and Valerie said "But that wasn't you. This is you." It's got nothing to do with people changing - it's almost like drug addicts have a "split" personality because they can flip from one extreme to the other. Even friends of John Phillips say that yes, on drugs - bad person (violent, incest, abusive); but when he was sober he was a really nice guy.

Of course she's different now - she "stole" drugs because she was a junkie. I'm sure that if I had a debilitating addiction I would steal as well - addicts become desperate people needing their "fix" or else they actually feel like they won't make it. Mackenzie has openly admitted to lying and stealing from people during her drug years and her deep regret and guilt over those past actions, but that she's she's no longer that person and has finally forgiven herself for those mistakes, and accepted the past for what it was.

Luckily, she's dug herself out of the hole now. It took her a long time, but she did it.

by Anonymousreply 55312/12/2017

^All true. Drug addicts remind me of zombies. They look like the person you once knew, but it's not really them. Once they get sober, the old person comes back.

by Anonymousreply 55412/12/2017

"She's nearly 60 years old now you moron of course she'd have some wrinkles. Do you expect her to get a facelift like every other LA bozo who is afraid of aging??"

You seem very intent on making MacKenzie Phillips out to be very attractive, what with your constant defending of her appearance, which as anyone with normal vision can see is fugly. You're creepy.

by Anonymousreply 55512/12/2017

R555 I don't think Mackenzie is "very attractive" - I was always a Valerie fan. I just think that considering she looked like an emaciated skeleton for many years, it's nice to finally see her with a sober face and looking healthy. That's all. She's not classically beautiful by any standard, but I think she finally looks presentable.

by Anonymousreply 55612/12/2017

I knew John Phillips. Many things to loathe apart from the drugs, unfortunately. He was one of the most jaded people I knew. It was depressing being around him. And yes - everything Mackenzie said about him was true. In fact, John did much worse than what Mackenzie chose to reveal in her book. Things that the public will never know. It was very gracious of her to omit certain memories and events - I don't know if I would've been able to maintain that level of respect if he was my father.

by Anonymousreply 55712/12/2017

She should've had her current hairstyle of reddish hair with bangs from the time she was young. I hated that bowl cut she had, she looks better with longer hair. The bowl-shag made her look like a boy and was not flattering at all.

by Anonymousreply 55812/12/2017

I get she's happy working in a rehab now, but I can't help but wonder what Mackenzie's career would've been like today if the drugs didn't take her down. I know most teen stars don't really go far after their sitcom is over (Valerie couldn't get taken seriously for mature movie roles because executives still saw her as Barbara Cooper, so she did a bunch of Lifetime stuff) but it seems like Mackenzie's star was really on the rise and that she was heading towards the movie sector even though back then TV was seen as beneath film. Such a shame - I feel like she would've done some amazing movie roles.

by Anonymousreply 55912/12/2017

At least she survived the 70s better than Dana Plato did

by Anonymousreply 56012/12/2017

This thread is classic DL. Who the hell knew there were so many crazy Mackenzie Phillips fangurls out there?

by Anonymousreply 56112/12/2017

I freaking hated Julie but I have to admit I admire Mackenzie's strength for coming forward and the work she's doing now as a counselor. I don't think I would've dug myself out of the rabbit hole if my dad screwed me and my family shut me out because of that. Kudos to her. And now karma's coming back to bite Bijou in the ass with her rapist hubby. Hope Danny gets his ass shoved in prison. But I hear Scientology did cover a lot of evidence up so who the hell knows.

by Anonymousreply 56212/12/2017

So does Mackenzie get any of the John Phillips royalties?

by Anonymousreply 56312/12/2017

R563 - yes, all the children do.

Michelle Phillips may present herself as a rational and honest person, but she can be a bit odd as well. I knew Chynna back in high school and one afternoon we were at her house smoking pot with some friends. Michelle came home furious. She saw us smoking and thought we'd stolen her pot. When she realized it was our own, she laughed and joined in. She'd tell these stories that seemed very inappropriate and irresponsible (and quite frankly, some were very worrying), and then she'd laugh like it was all some big fun joke with the attitude of "oh well, crazy times!". She was very radical in her ideas and I think that showed in her liberal and laid-back attitude towards some things us "suburban" people would find strange or serious. I remember her laughing over going to Susie's (Mack's mother) house when John was still married to her and telling her to basically "give up", I remember her bragging about how confident she was that "I knew I'd win". She openly admitted to being manipulative and knowing she'd get away with things in the 60s because "I looked so innocent". She recounted anecdotes about Mackenzie from when she was a little girl that - quite frankly - involved reckless and careless parenting and would just laugh like it off as amusing without acknowledging just how damaging it was to Mackenzie. To be honest, I think she was really out of touch with how adults and parents should behave and that a stable life for children is really the most beneficial thing rather than the bohemian, hedonistic hippy life she and so many others were a part of.

by Anonymousreply 56412/12/2017

did she act like she liked or hated Mackenzie?

by Anonymousreply 56512/12/2017

R557 and r564 more detail please

Michelle sounds as cunty as bijou and john

Poor mackenzie!! And no wonder chynna is a completely twisted idiot "finding her father thru Billy!" Gross and a lot of fucked up bullshit. Lucky for everyone she barely has a career because her ideas are a joke

by Anonymousreply 56612/12/2017

I saw Mackenzie in Manhattan recently on the street - I think it was her - I think she moved there

by Anonymousreply 56712/12/2017

[quote]Michelle Phillips may present herself as a rational and honest person, but she can be a bit odd as well. I knew Chynna back in high school and one afternoon we were at her house smoking pot with some friends. Michelle came home furious. She saw us smoking and thought we'd stolen her pot. When she realized it was our own, she laughed and joined in. She'd tell these stories that seemed very inappropriate and irresponsible (and [bold]quite frankly,[/bold] some were very worrying), and then she'd laugh like it was all some big fun joke with the attitude of "oh well, crazy times!". She was very radical in her ideas and I think that showed in her liberal and laid-back attitude towards some things us "suburban" people would find strange or serious. I remember her laughing over going to Susie's (Mack's mother) house when John was still married to her and telling her to basically "give up", I remember her bragging about how confident she was that "I knew I'd win". She openly admitted to being manipulative and knowing she'd get away with things in the 60s because "I looked so innocent". She recounted anecdotes about Mackenzie from when she was a little girl that - [bold]quite frankly[/bold] - involved reckless and careless parenting and would just laugh like it off as amusing without acknowledging just how damaging it was to Mackenzie. [bold]To be honest,[/bold] I think she was really out of touch with how adults and parents should behave and that a stable life for children is really the most beneficial thing rather than the bohemian, hedonistic hippy life she and so many others were a part of.

Twice you said "quite frankly" and once "to be honest" In speech patterns, and even more so in the written word, these are tells that you're not telling the truth. Are you lying?

by Anonymousreply 56812/12/2017

I saw an interview with Michelle (maybe Mac's Biography?) where her attitude is exactly as R567 describes. At one point she talks about the band living communally on an island for a time, and for some reason John had custody of Mac for several weeks. Michelle brags about how the whole time they were doing drugs and writing music and it was all so wonderful and magical. Mac was only 5-6 y/o but she was practically feral. She had to wander on her own into town and beg the locals (who took a shine to her) for food. When she was sent home after several weeks, she looked like a mini hippy---a skeletal little ragamuffin. Michelle recounts this story as if it's all so adorable. "What can you do? Crazy times"

by Anonymousreply 56912/12/2017

^^Sorry, exactly as R564 describes.

by Anonymousreply 57012/12/2017

R566 No, not at all - I distinctly remember Michelle said Mackenzie was someone whom "I love dearly" even though she was her stepdaughter. Mackenzie was still battling her drug addiction at that time, but it didn't lessen Michelle's affection for her. She said that Mackenzie, even with her drug troubles, was a very gracious, intelligent and witty person. I actually met Mackenzie once in the 80s, and though I could tell she was still an addict, she was surprisingly friendly and genuine to me (I wrongly assumed all addicts were rude or undignified). That's why I was so taken aback by Michelle's mistreatment of Mackenzie -- it was as though she flipped the switch instantly and completely disregarded all the love and respect they once had for each other. While once close, Mackenzie hasn't seen or spoken to Michelle in years - she tried to make amends for a long time (as she's finally reconciled with her siblings) but Michelle won't allow it and still refuses to speak to her. That struck me as very petty - I understand the initial anger but to hold a grudge against a person for being an incest victim is so wrong when it was the parent's fault. Michelle was very forthright about John's cruel, selfish and manipulative behavior - including his violence (John once put Michelle in hospital after a severe beating), and he was a terrible father to Chynna (during our high school years Chynna never saw him, and John never made an effort to be a present force in her life and build a solid relationship. I don't want to sound crass, but John only gave Chynna attention once she hit the charts with Wilson Phillips in 1990 and became famous. After that, while Chynna saw him more frequently than before, their relationship was still dysfunctional - as it was with all his children. Yet Chynna today, also, tends to gloss over the bad stuff and portray John as a good dad). I can't understand why Michelle defended John over something so indefensible when she didn't hesitate to condemn his behavior while he was still alive. There are many interviews - both written and televised - where Michelle doesn't hold back on calling John out for his disrespect, narcissism, bad behavior and many lies. John and Michelle's relationship was so poor later on that he refused to speak to her for most of the 90s - his last wife Farnaz refused to allow Michelle to visit John on his deathbed in 2001, so Michelle had to sneak in to say goodbye when she knew Farnaz wouldn't be there. After his death, when I saw Michelle again, she told me that while John's death was sad, he became a very "wicked" man and that part of her was glad she didn't have to deal with him and all the dysfunction he brought along with him anymore. Nowadays, her attitude is very different. I suspect it has to do with preserving John and the band's legacy.

by Anonymousreply 57112/12/2017

Here's part 1 of the M&P behind the music special. The user's also posted parts 2 and 3. After every weird anecdote - like confronting Susie, cheating on John - Michelle laughs like a maniac as though it's all fun and games.

by Anonymousreply 57212/12/2017

Interesting... R569 is defending R564, yet misspells the word hippie just like R564 does. Hmmm...

by Anonymousreply 57312/12/2017

R568 Apologies for being a 50 year old adult who happens to use those expressions in my language, especially when recounting behavior that seemed so incredulous and irresponsible from an adult woman. R573 sorry I didn't realize there's a grammar nazi on this thread.

R568 and R573 so sorry, I was completely unaware that my way of expressing myself and spelling would be an indicator of whether or not I'm telling the truth. Next time I'll be more careful with how I write my anecdotes.

by Anonymousreply 57412/12/2017

R573, Why is that "interesting"? We are not the same person. Watch Mac's Biography, loser....starting @ around min. 5:00

by Anonymousreply 57512/12/2017

[quote]Why is that "interesting"? We are not the same person.

by Anonymousreply 57612/12/2017

R574, you missed my point, twice.

by Anonymousreply 57712/12/2017

Just because two people misspelt "hippie" doesn't make them the same person, dingbat

by Anonymousreply 57812/12/2017

It is strange, though, that out of over 570 posts, two posters in a row made that error, R578.

by Anonymousreply 57912/12/2017

Good documentary on Mack. Michelle laughs over many things, like how John told a young 14 year old Mack she could go to a club where drugs and alcohol were available but coming home at dawn was too late so 4am would be better. Haha. So funny. Every 8th grader would relate. *cue eye roll*

by Anonymousreply 58012/12/2017

[quote]I actually met Mackenzie once in the 80s,

Most people who went to L.A. clubs in the 80's have seen or met Mackenzie Phillips. You don't really know her, so why do you keeping referring to her as "Mac" as if you do?

by Anonymousreply 58112/12/2017

To the guy who said Michelle Phillips wasn't all that in the looks department. Holy shit, I have to disagree.

I just came across this video. I'm as gay as they come, but I find her absolutely stunning. My God, that Southern California sun drenched beauty- while she's waltzing around that boutique. It's easy to see how, back then, she always won. Not only her beauty, but what she represents. Total freedom. I get a funny feeling watching her here.

by Anonymousreply 58212/12/2017

I agree. Michelle is a classic beauty. Totally hot.

by Anonymousreply 58312/12/2017

[quote]Michelle Phillips was a gorgeous flower child.


by Anonymousreply 58412/12/2017

Michelle Phillips had a stick-thin, boyish body with mosquito bites for boobs. Below her face there's nothing to rave about.

by Anonymousreply 58512/12/2017

Hi, R564 here. If you think I'd waste my time to concoct a separate fake post to support my own anecdote for an anonymous internet thread then you're more pathetic than I thought. I haven't posted anything under a separate guise, but if that's what you want to believe then go ahead

Hopefully the more level-headed people with common sense here would know that if I really wanted to support what I said, I'd tell a more outlandish story and not just recount something from a documentary that's widely available on the internet for everyone to see and that other people in this thread have already remarked on in earlier posts.

I didn't know two people misspelling "hippie" 5 posts apart would cause such a conspiracy theory.

FYI R581 - You're overanalyzing. I called Mackenzie "Mack" one single time throughout two posts I wrote about Michelle and her, I didn't "keep referring to her" as "Mac". The fact couldn't be bothered writing "Mackenzie" in full one time when I referred to her didn't mean to give the impression I knew her well.

by Anonymousreply 58612/12/2017

When Michelle was on Knots Landing she didn't really have that striking look about her anymore. Still attractive, but I think Donna Mills looked better on that show #soznotsoz

by Anonymousreply 58712/12/2017

Michelle's on the right. Don't know why she has her sunglasses on indoors. Taken in September.

by Anonymousreply 58812/12/2017

Yeesh @ R588. Both of them. Time is a cruel mistress.

by Anonymousreply 58912/12/2017

Wow Michelle's looking rough. Aging is inevitable but you think she would've retained some extent of her beauty (for example Susan Sarandon still looks great in her 70s, and Jane Fonda still has a rocking body in her 80s)

by Anonymousreply 59012/13/2017

Jeez some of you skip down the street with animated blue birds circling your heads. Her own father got her addicted to hard drugs to control and rape her.

by Anonymousreply 59112/13/2017

R586 Don't worry. Most of us believe you.

I've come here was many true, juicy stories. And someone always makes a show on not believing me. The thing is, their lives are so dull, they can't imagine anyone else doing interesting shit, or interacting with famous people. No matter what you say here, there will always be someone who doesn't believe you.

Basically "forget it, Jake. It's Datalounge" is what I'm saying.

by Anonymousreply 59212/13/2017

R591 - Agreed. Mackenzie's father turned her on to drugs and made sure she stayed on them. If any of y'all had John Phillips as your dad I guarantee you'd all be addicts too. Have some compassion. Her father was a monster.

by Anonymousreply 59312/13/2017

I've just been checking out Michelle's filmology on imdb andvwondering where she gets off judging anyone?

"I, adulteress, Michelle Phillips, by the power of my my bit parts in the love boat, fantasy island and return to the love boat, banish you, mackenzie Phillips for being groomed by a sociopathic etc etc"

Has nobody told her that half a dozen different walkon roles on fantasy island make her a social pariah forever? Jeeze. And did she piss off the people in charge of wardrobe, hair AND makeup on knots landing? Ffs what a tard

by Anonymousreply 59412/13/2017

R594 One of Michelle's quotes is - "I am a woman of many talents and they're all just pieces of the puzzle that make me and make my career." Oh honey, all you were good at was looking pretty on stage.

Mackenzie may have screwed up her career but in her short time she was in more memorable cult classics in both film and TV than Michelle was in her entire career.

I did hear that Michelle was actually a known alcoholic - one of my friend was a bartender back in the 80s and said that Michelle was often seen stumbling out of bars (including the one he worked at).

Apparently, if she'd been on a binge the night before, the make-up department on Knots Landing would try and disguise her puffy face.

by Anonymousreply 59512/13/2017

I've met Michelle Phillips a few times at events - and while she was always friendly to me I couldn't shake her intimidating and judgmental energy. I felt that every action/sentence of mine was being analyzed. She definitely has that arrogant vibe of "I'm better and superior than everyone else." The only reason she went as far as she did was because she could use her looks to spin her web and get what she wanted. And R595 I totally believe you - I've also heard rumors about Michelle's drinking. Even on Knots Landing I felt like Michelle was never acting - I think she was playing a version of herself.

by Anonymousreply 59612/13/2017

Mackenzie was in NYC? why?

by Anonymousreply 59712/13/2017

[quote] At least she survived the 70s better than Dana Plato did

Dana had talent but she didn't come from a musical family like Mackenzie or like Janet Jackson, so she didn't have those connections. I hate to say it since she wanted her baby, but Dana's career and life might not have ended when and how it did had she not gotten pregnant then. She wasn't gay but towards the end of her life she had a lesbian friend taking advantage of her and Tyler. Everybody around her tried to get her help and she tried to project the image of a changed woman but that Howard Stern interview and the homophobia of the callers was just the last straw.

How [italic]Diff'rent Strokes[/italic] managed to get it wrong on pot twice, protesting too much methinks (Willis got caught with a whole bag full before the Nancy Reagan thing) but right about tobacco when Dudley's father got lung cancer and kept on smoking himself to an early grave (Le Tari died four years later) I'll never understand.

by Anonymousreply 59812/13/2017

[quote]Apparently, if she'd been on a binge the night before, the make-up department on Knots Landing would try and disguise her puffy face.

They had 8 years of practice on carb-face Connie. For that alone they should have gotten an Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 59912/13/2017

Someone really has it in for Michelle Phillips! Jealous, much?

by Anonymousreply 60012/13/2017
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