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The Rise and Fall of Liz Smith

The story is kind of sad.

by Anonymousreply 18508/03/2017

Her fall into a pile of pussy?

by Anonymousreply 107/28/2017

Fall? She just got older.

by Anonymousreply 207/28/2017

Did she ever come out?

by Anonymousreply 307/28/2017

[quote]She advised a virginal Elaine Stritch to have sex with Marlon Brando to keep him interested

What kind of stupid advice is that?

by Anonymousreply 407/28/2017

That advice likely is taken out of context and sounds like a typical Stritch yarn.

She didn't fall, except when she broke her hip. She just aged and the newspaper business died and society dissolved into the festering soup we now smell simmering all around us.

by Anonymousreply 507/28/2017

Fuck this nasty old dyke cunt. Didn't read the article. Hope she's withering away in some old age home in her piss-soaked diapers.

by Anonymousreply 607/28/2017

Those eyebrows though...

by Anonymousreply 707/28/2017

Shouldn't she be retired by now? Her columns were always so boring anyway

by Anonymousreply 807/28/2017

She valued cheap celebrity fame and promoted Trump . Not much to support you at life's end with that value system.

That being said I wish she'll spill about every lady-lover she has knowledge of before she dies.

by Anonymousreply 907/28/2017

She says that if she was younger, she'd be going after Michelle Obama!

Love the idea of a nonagenarian Liz lezzing it up with Michelle.

by Anonymousreply 1007/28/2017

She actually looks pretty good for mid 90's!

by Anonymousreply 1107/28/2017

She still adores Streisand.

by Anonymousreply 1207/28/2017

Newsflash - 94 year old lesbian who never came out and who fawned over Republican assholes is now wondering why the twitter and instagram world doesn't still find her fascinating!

Liz - retire - you are Methuselah old. Enjoy the years you have left - wtf is wrong with you? You're 94 - you're not going to stage a come back.

by Anonymousreply 1307/28/2017

Meh.

by Anonymousreply 1407/28/2017

Second stringer at best.

by Anonymousreply 1507/28/2017

She did come out in the article, though not directly.

by Anonymousreply 1607/28/2017

She is retired.

The article says she hasn't worked since 2009.

What I find strange is that in January she moved from her longtime apartment "above a Tex-Mex restaurant in Murray Hill" to an apartment on Park Avenue. Huh? What ancient lezzie left her a mint? Or what young lezzie is paying for her upkeep?

by Anonymousreply 1707/28/2017

She made a lot of money in her heyday.

by Anonymousreply 1807/28/2017

Read the article, Rose. Despite everything she wrote being anodyne and banal, she was the highest paid columnist in America. The previous apartment was in a luxury building, not a cold water walkup. Someone needs to give her a good shake. "Bitch you're 94: what did you expect?!" Some people just aren't prepared for old age. Even at THAT age. You need to have everything locked down and loaded for any sudden fall by 55, so you can survive well and reinvent yourself as needed. (Because the hard career knocks tend to arrive by then.) That includes your home paid off and a substantial retirement investment fund.

by Anonymousreply 1907/29/2017

From the article, I'm guessing that Cindy Adams isn't being paid to write for the NY Post.

by Anonymousreply 2007/29/2017

Is she still intimate "friends" with ABC News' Cynthia McFadden?

by Anonymousreply 2107/29/2017

She had a great run--and was at her peak during very heady times for the newspaper business, times which no one will ever see again.

But like Barbara Walters, she probably plied her trade longer than she should have. At some point one has to know when to take a bow, and get off the goddamn stage.

by Anonymousreply 2207/29/2017

Her column was the reason LuPone smashed down her dressing room. It wasn't Liz's fault but she broke the news.

by Anonymousreply 2307/29/2017

She still helps write a column for the New York Social Diary, to which you can subscribe, for free.

by Anonymousreply 2407/29/2017

Ah. And well-overpriced at that figure.

by Anonymousreply 2507/29/2017

The best thing about this piece is Rich Juzwiak's write-up on Jezebel. Shadows of Rich's mid-life crises:

[quote]What struck me as truly heartbreaking in this piece, though, is that Smith is savvy and intelligent enough to understand just how irrelevant she is. It’s one thing to be outside looking into a world you could only dream of belonging to; it’s a far sadder thing to be outside looking in at your former home.

by Anonymousreply 2607/29/2017

Her magnum opus seems to have been the ( Ivana ) Trump divorce in 1990 when she was already pushing 70, no wonder she hasn't come to terms with her loss of fame, most people her age would be looking back to a heyday 50 years prior.

by Anonymousreply 2707/29/2017

Didn't she come out on 60 MINUTES years ago? I date myself because IIRC, it was Mike Wallace who interviewed her. She minimized it by saying that she dated men.

by Anonymousreply 2807/29/2017

"Oh LIz, you're up to your ears in pussy, and everyone knows it!"

by Anonymousreply 2907/29/2017

Was that the interview where she said, 'If I could go back in time, I'd lez it up 24/7!'

by Anonymousreply 3007/29/2017

It was the interview where she talked about opening an all-you-can-eat whorehouse called the Snatch Barn.

by Anonymousreply 3107/29/2017

"Pussy Hut" was already trademarked elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 3207/29/2017

Nothing really super sad about the article. Aging ain't for sissies and we all become shadows of our formal selves. She's had a great life.

by Anonymousreply 3307/29/2017

[quote]"Pussy Hut" was already trademarked elsewhere.

Yes, by Trump Hotels.

by Anonymousreply 3407/29/2017

I remember way back she implied that Kevin Spacey and Helen Hunt were "involved." They'd made that awful movie "Pay It Forward" and according to her, were in what seemed to be a relationship. In other words, she was saying that Helen Hunt and Kevin Spacey were fucking! That was one of the stupidest things I'd ever read in a gossip column.

by Anonymousreply 3507/29/2017

Why would the NY Times even do an article about her? Do Millennials even know or care about her?

by Anonymousreply 3607/29/2017

A lot of us aren't millenials r36.

by Anonymousreply 3707/29/2017

At her height, she was still not as well known as Rona Barrett. Barrett understood her time was up and retired and left the public eye. I think that's surprising since she always seemed so desperate for recognition, but in the end, she knew how Hollywood worked.

Smith was known by many as a good old broad. She exposed John Simon after a show where he said something like he hoped all gays get AIDS. He not only apologized, he fell all over the next AIDS themed play he reviewed.

by Anonymousreply 3807/29/2017

Yes R9, she "supported Trump" so much that he threatened to buy her paper so he could fire her.

by Anonymousreply 3907/29/2017

She was no Hedda Hopper.

by Anonymousreply 4007/29/2017

She traded safe, corporate-entertainment-complex gossip, for decades--and made a nice living for herself doing it.

I'd say the internet--the real marketplace of ideas; and of gossip--had as much to do with her being made redundant, as anything.

by Anonymousreply 4107/29/2017

She once had a long column which went into detail, without naming him, about a very famous musical person in NY who had continuing trouble and had been paid of by his institution for being arrested for very, um, inappropriate behavior with young black boys. It was very clear who she was talking about.

by Anonymousreply 4207/29/2017

Who, R42?

by Anonymousreply 4307/29/2017

I'm guessing Leonard Bernstein, r43.

by Anonymousreply 4407/29/2017

"Once he had black, Lenny neva went back!"

by Anonymousreply 4507/29/2017

Just die already.

by Anonymousreply 4607/29/2017

Years ago I was in the Village and asked Liz Smith (whom I didn't recognize) for directions. She was probably in her 50s and she was extremely charming and attractive. Very warm tom boyish vibe. I'm sure many women fell for her.

by Anonymousreply 4707/29/2017

Liz Smith directed you to The Anvil?

by Anonymousreply 4807/29/2017

From the title of the article, I expected to learn that she was living in destitution. But she's not, and she sounds pitifully whiny. I have a lot more respect for Rona Barrett, who is actually doing Good Deeds in trying to raise awareness about the plight of the elderly.

by Anonymousreply 4907/29/2017

NO, to the nearest subway, Very down to earth person. .

by Anonymousreply 5007/29/2017

R49, Rona's actually building housing for the homeless on her own property.

by Anonymousreply 5107/29/2017

Gotcha. And just having a little fun--she does sound lovely.

by Anonymousreply 5207/29/2017

r52 responding to r50

by Anonymousreply 5307/29/2017

r51, but I'd bet my life she's not doing it gratis; most likely being reimbursed generously by the county, not to mention the tax advantages of such a scheme.

by Anonymousreply 5407/29/2017

Yes. Bernstein loved topping those black teen twinks. And his wife knew what was going on??? Or were they divorced

by Anonymousreply 5507/29/2017

"Charity begins at home."

by Anonymousreply 5607/29/2017

Ah. Rona has established "a charitable foundation."

by Anonymousreply 5707/29/2017

Enty is her son. You heard it here first!

by Anonymousreply 5807/29/2017

Took me a minute.

You mean "Enty," the "entertainment-lawyer-who-makes-shit-up" and calls it gossip, is the spawn of Rona B.?

by Anonymousreply 5907/29/2017

And you just know he's writing all that malarkey while billing clients for the time.

by Anonymousreply 6007/29/2017

[quote] Yes [R9], she "supported Trump" so much that he threatened to buy her paper so he could fire her

Only after Trump divorced Ivana. Before that she gave Trump loads of publicity. She may even be the one who started calling him The Donald in media. I don't recall anyone using it before Smith.

by Anonymousreply 6107/29/2017

If you read The NY Times, that story struck a nerve. 126 comments and counting.

At 94, Liiz is rich, living with Cynthia McFadden, has lots of great memories, and most importantly, has her mind. My parents are Liz's age, and they haven't left their house in 3 years. My mom has the mind of a 3 year old, never mind all her physical problems.

I can understand Liz's wanting to still remain relevant, but I don't feel sorry for her.

by Anonymousreply 6207/29/2017

Ivana famously called him "The Donald" during their 60 Minutes profile.

by Anonymousreply 6307/29/2017

Are she and McFadden a couple?

by Anonymousreply 6407/29/2017

Wasn't McFadden a couple with Katherine Hepburn in her dotage as well?

Cynthia must have a really bad Mommy complex.

by Anonymousreply 6507/29/2017

She lives with Cynthia McFadden? Says who?

by Anonymousreply 6607/29/2017

Who's Liz Smith?

by Anonymousreply 6707/29/2017

[quote]Who, [R42]?

I don't know who r42 is talking about, but that description also fits James Levine. Except maybe Levine got to keep his job. But the Met had to hush up some of the things he did.

by Anonymousreply 6807/29/2017

According to R42, it "was very clear" who she was talking about. I guess not.

by Anonymousreply 6907/29/2017

r69, it depends in what decade she wrote it. If she wrote it pre-1980s, my guess would be Bernstein. If she wrote it 1980s or after, my first guess would be Levine.

by Anonymousreply 7007/29/2017

Her good buddy Rex Reed was just let go from The New York Observer. They should hold a pity party at The Dakota while Rex can still afford to live there.

by Anonymousreply 7107/29/2017

[quote]They should hold a pity party at The Dakota while Rex can still afford to live there.

Have you heard rumors that he might be leaving the Dakota?

by Anonymousreply 7207/29/2017

But in the end if her greatest claim to fame was announcing the breakup of Donald and Ivana.....I mean, what is that worth today, anyway?

Did she have any other famous scoops? I kept reading that Times article and the Jezebel follow-up in the hope of learning something more, but there just isn't anything more.

by Anonymousreply 7307/29/2017

R72, Yoko, dear, you already own multiple units within The Dakota, so knock it off.

by Anonymousreply 7407/29/2017

Rex Reed was fired? Where are we going to get our bitchy, contrarian movie reviews from?

by Anonymousreply 7507/29/2017

Christ! Liz now looks like Eunice Kennedy Shriver . . . if she had lived.

by Anonymousreply 7607/29/2017

"The publicist Bobby Zarem, angered over perceived slights, once helped send false wedding notices for Ms. Smith and her partner at the time, a socialite and archaeologist named Iris Love. Mr. Zarem, who, when asked to comment for this article, said, “I hope it’s for an obituary,” added that as Ms. Smith rose, people bowed to her."

Bobby sounds like your typical bitchy DLer.

by Anonymousreply 7707/29/2017

Dakota domination is my ultimate goal, r75.

by Anonymousreply 7807/29/2017

R78 Whatever as long as you don't "sing" Yoko.

by Anonymousreply 7907/29/2017

Why didn't Liz have hip replacement surgery after the broken hip? A friend of my mother's just had the surgery at age 93 and she's now pain free and walking unassisted.

by Anonymousreply 8007/29/2017

Wasn't Kaye Ballard also one of Liz's former lovers?

by Anonymousreply 8107/29/2017

Liz Smith, the most overrated, undeserving hack who gave journalism a bad name.

Rona was/is still the queen, a tried and true maven who gave good gossip and lives to help others.

Liz Smith set the trend for self-serving, talentless socialites who challenged nothing and fed off of mediocrity and pandered to pablum.

by Anonymousreply 8207/29/2017

R82 = Suzy Knickerbocker.

by Anonymousreply 8307/29/2017

Excuse me for going all SJW on ya'll, but Liz Smith embodied rich-bitch boredom and first world pettiness.

by Anonymousreply 8407/29/2017

RONA IS STILL THE QUEEN!

by Anonymousreply 8507/29/2017

Liz lost her job when she got scooped by Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 8607/29/2017

Queen Rona Barrett wold appeal to us working class types because she brought the dish and dealt the hands!

Boring old rich-bitch Liz Smith bantered in the banality of gold ingots and tweed suited egomaniacal lesbos.

by Anonymousreply 8707/29/2017

Rona was a sexy bitch---all Jewish, all day long, red hot mami.

Liz Smith, tweed bearing, who wants to grind against that?!

Huh?!

by Anonymousreply 8807/29/2017

They were all high priced whores with no gossip worth wiping your ass on.

Have any of them had a movie made about them? That would be a big nope!

by Anonymousreply 8907/29/2017

Rona should still be a DL goddess. Was a fat Jewess and president of the Eddie Fisher fan club. Had a serious makeover and got a gig as an entertainment "reporter". Was never seen without makeup and perfect hair. Had a bitchy tag-line "keep thinking the good thoughts". Had amazing power as a reporter. Loathed by Frank Sinatra and Burt Reynolds especially. For a while was known as simply "Rona." Was mentioned on every sitcom and drama during the era. And had national reach.

by Anonymousreply 9007/29/2017

What is Holland Taylor's take on the article?

by Anonymousreply 9107/29/2017

R90, so true, so very, very true.

Rona Barrett shaped my childhood. I thought so highly of her. I saw her humanity, and I could feel her heartbeat.

If only she would convert to Catholism, we would make her a saint.

by Anonymousreply 9207/29/2017

Not Bernstein. Levine.

by Anonymousreply 9307/29/2017

Does Liz Smith care about the homeless like Rona Barrett does?

I thought not.

by Anonymousreply 9407/29/2017

I never saw her as competition for Rona Barrett. To me, Liz was a gossipy society columnist.

Rona was a Hollywood movie gossip maven. That was my take while growing up in Flyoverstan.

by Anonymousreply 9507/29/2017

I wonder what Fran Lebowitz thinks of the article. Didn't Liz try to attach herself to Fran when Fran was big with Andy Warhol and Interview magazine?

by Anonymousreply 9607/29/2017

Rona rules over all, and that means YOU Fran and Liz!

by Anonymousreply 9707/29/2017

I had no idea Rona Barrett was so esteemed here.

She should be - based solely on the opening line of her autobiography.

by Anonymousreply 9807/29/2017

I dated a famous celeb once, years ago, and this person physically and emotionally abused me, in public.

Rona offered solace. I never forgot that.

Love you Rona!

by Anonymousreply 9907/29/2017

clue us in, R98!

by Anonymousreply 10007/29/2017

So I'm pretty much the Generation X's answer to Cynthia McFadden?

by Anonymousreply 10107/29/2017

I remember as a gayling praying for the latest issue of Rona Barrett's Hollywood to appear on the shelves of a magazine store. It had fabulous color photos and it was there that I first learned that Lucille Ball and Bea Arthur were being touted for Oscar noms for the soon-to-be-released MAME!

by Anonymousreply 10207/29/2017

R100, "an inch Rona, let me put it in an inch."

by Anonymousreply 10307/29/2017

The entire line of Rona Barrett Hollywood magazines was fantastic. Great photos and Enquirer type Hollywood stories while NE was still doing stories on aliens raping women in North Dakota.

by Anonymousreply 10407/29/2017

No, Sarah P, r101. Cynthia has talent.

by Anonymousreply 10507/29/2017

The world needs Rona Barrett, not Lez Pith (Liz Smith).

by Anonymousreply 10607/29/2017

The Catholic Church acquired another great Jew, Richard Simmons, to come on board with us Mary-queens but what a catch Rona Barrett would be!

Please convert, Rona! xoxoxo

by Anonymousreply 10707/29/2017

Aha-ha great open, r103--(Yawn)

And isn't it interesting that just like Erica Jong--one of her contemporaries--Rona relentlessly implicates herself in fevered sexual situations (that undoubtedly NEVER happened in this lifetime), despite the fact that Barrett and Jong were two of the MOST UNFUCKABLE women of the 1970s?

Her imagination was as vivid as her quad-colored, wedgie hairdo.

by Anonymousreply 10807/29/2017

The posters above saying the subject of Smith's blind was James Levine are correct.

by Anonymousreply 10907/29/2017

R108,

Rona has/had GREAT sex appeal!

She was a cute, hawt, Jewish mami with a warm smile and a loving heart. Erica Jong had 'grooviness' to her and looked FAB with her big glasses, turtle neck sweaters and long, frosted hair.

It's Lez Pith (Liz Smith) who had no sex magic.

by Anonymousreply 11007/29/2017

I see Rona's $30 monthly PR retainer is not going to waste, r110.

lol. Nice try!

by Anonymousreply 11107/29/2017

Sex Magicians:

Rona Barrett

Erica Jong

Teresa Graves

Linda "scary" Blair

Glenn Close

by Anonymousreply 11207/29/2017

Walters, Smith, Cindy Adams all hated Barrett, so she must have done something right.

by Anonymousreply 11307/29/2017

Erica Jong would have (gratefully!) fucked a German Shepherd.

by Anonymousreply 11407/29/2017

Well, R113 she was the OG--Original Gossiper.

Those wanna-bees just floundered in her lady-trail.

by Anonymousreply 11507/29/2017

Glenn Close is really sexy.

by Anonymousreply 11607/29/2017

R62 Why would you say that a obout McFadden? What is your source? The rumors about Hepburn were in large part based on CM being named as the Executor of KH's estate, as well as the Long time very very close association. CM does appear to be on friendly terms with a very senior circle Of Gay women.

by Anonymousreply 11707/29/2017

So Cynthia likes a good gummin', it seems.

I'm in my 40s and have never really heard of or read about this Rona Barrett character. Liz was a regular on talk shows and the E! Channel gossip show throughout my early life.

She was also good friends with Ann Richards so she cannot be all bad.

by Anonymousreply 11807/29/2017

Ann Richards had no sex magic either--that explains the friendship.

by Anonymousreply 11907/29/2017

Cynthia and Liz were an item ten years or so ago. I know someone who worked with Cynthia at the time and she once ran into them walking together and when this person said hi to Cynthia, Liz kept walking and Cynthia acted like she was out walking alone. It was bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 12007/29/2017

I love this woman, couldn't wait to read her column everyday and see her on the nightly news. So sad to get old and have everyone treat you like you're not there. Hope she is living comfortably.

by Anonymousreply 12107/29/2017

nosexmagicnosexmagicnosexmagicnosexmagic

by Anonymousreply 12207/29/2017

Maybe the ancients remind Cynthia of her undergrad halcyon days at Smith(?) Wellesley(?), when sympathetic seniors would take a frightened young fresh-woman under their wing, and introduce her to myriad pleasures of Sapphic love?

by Anonymousreply 12307/29/2017

Never understood the appeal of Cynthia MacFadden to men--or women. But Peter Jennings clearly adored her when she was at ABC. Sounds like she could have had her pick from either side of the fence.

by Anonymousreply 12407/29/2017

[quote]I never saw her as competition for Rona Barrett. To me, Liz was a gossipy society columnist.

In fact. I don't understand why people here are comparing Smith with Barrett... they where two very different columnists.

Smith was NY-centric society/celebrity columnist. She was little known outside of New York...little known by the wider public.

by Anonymousreply 12507/29/2017

Wow. Live at Five. Blast from the past. There's Sue. And ol' Jack Cafferty, who, a Times reviewer said, had "eyes like two dead pennies."

by Anonymousreply 12607/29/2017

Liz Smith, Chauncey Howell, Katie Kelly(?) and Dr. Frank Field rounded out the crew.

by Anonymousreply 12707/29/2017

Liz has been married to heiress Iris Love for many years now.

by Anonymousreply 12807/29/2017

I didn't realize that Darlene made that much money, R128.

by Anonymousreply 12907/29/2017

Rimshot!

by Anonymousreply 13007/29/2017

I didn't find anything particularly sad about this. She had an exciting life being well paid doing what she loved doing, and she got old, really old. Like the elderly Casanova, you can't keep it up forever.

(I love this short clip from Nuit de Varennes)

by Anonymousreply 13107/29/2017

I always liked Liz Smith, yes she was very NY centric and was very generous with support for new artists that she liked. She could wield her power very generously back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 13207/29/2017

One of the toughest questions on the AP Gossip exam for many years--

[Frank Sinatra famously once said of her:

"That ugly broad. When she was born, the doctor slapped her mother."]

Who was Sinatra talking about?:

1. Rona Barrett 2. Barbara Walters 3. Joan Rivers 4. Erica Jong

by Anonymousreply 13307/29/2017

[quote]Smith was NY-centric society/celebrity columnist. She was little known outside of New York...little known by the wider public.

Did you miss the column syndicated to 70-odd newspapers worldwide?

by Anonymousreply 13407/29/2017

OH MY GOD. Did you see the pass that Lez Liz made at Lez Sue in the last seconds of r125's clip? The Lez love was thick at that station.

by Anonymousreply 13507/29/2017

I grew up reading with Liz Smith, first in the Daily News, then in the Post and Newsday, and now online.

Her online column is really good, full of rare and interesting photos of a mostly bygone era, and some interesting things to say and review about today's culture.

by Anonymousreply 13607/29/2017

R134 when you are reading her column in NYDaily news, about NY nightlife who cares that it is read in the wires elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 13707/29/2017

The statement is that she was not known outside NY, which is a lie. I knew her when I lived in Bumfuck, TX, and it wasn't because she was from TX

by Anonymousreply 13807/29/2017

An interesting profile of Miss Rona from last year. She looks great.

by Anonymousreply 13907/29/2017

I'm sorry but that room that Rona's sitting in with the melon walls looks tacky.

by Anonymousreply 14007/29/2017

[quote]Cynthia must have a really bad Mommy complex.

Please give her my number. I may need a backup.

by Anonymousreply 14107/29/2017

Why does no one ever talk about ME?

(Make sure to catch the mention of the kidnap threat of Joan Crawford's children!)

by Anonymousreply 14207/29/2017

I have no clue who rona barrett is but I do know who liz smith is. That tells you who was more successful.

by Anonymousreply 14307/29/2017

Rona was very pretty and still looks good.

by Anonymousreply 14407/29/2017

How can anyone here with even a limited knowledge of classical music scene in NYC not know that she was referring to Levine. I wish that pig would go down in flames for the damage he's done to so many young & poor vulnerable boys. When I think of the many people that covered for him, it makes me sick to my stomach.

by Anonymousreply 14507/29/2017

R145 you mean James Levine? I had no idea.

by Anonymousreply 14607/29/2017

You might notice that Levine is rarely or ever at any big social gatherings in NY like other cultural icons. Apparently he basically goes between his apartment and the Met when he's in NYC, though he got into trouble in at least another city, apparently arrested and paid off by the Met. I've also heard stories of him hanging out by the male chorister's dressing/shower room, too. When he's retired from the music scene and/or passed on, lots more stories will surface. I was rather amazed in the '80s thought to see this in the Daily News. Even without him being named, it was clear who Liz Smith was talking about. There were also rumors that a famous soprano friend of his was supplying some of his favored interests.

by Anonymousreply 14707/29/2017

Liz Smith once talked about how she and Holland Taylor discussed taking LSD together.

by Anonymousreply 14807/29/2017

Levine was notorious and only liked black boys, The Met paid off many to squash the rumors and the lawsuits

by Anonymousreply 14907/30/2017

[Quote]There were also rumors that a famous soprano friend of his was supplying some of his favored interests.

Was it Kathleen Battle, r147?

by Anonymousreply 15007/30/2017

Just a nosy, pushy gossip dyke cunt who did more to ruin people's lives than help humanity. POS New York celeb that the rest of the world shouldn't even bother caring about. The biggest reason for her fall is that all her powerful friends and associates in the press have most likely died of old age, along with any remaining loyal readers.

by Anonymousreply 15107/30/2017

She should still try to have a baby..

by Anonymousreply 15207/30/2017

[quote] Just a nosy, pushy gossip dyke cunt who did more to ruin people's lives than help humanity

Whose life did Liz Smith ruin?

by Anonymousreply 15307/30/2017

Darn, I was hoping it was James Lipton whose career was ruined because he slept with underaged boys.

by Anonymousreply 15407/30/2017

James LIPTON is straight.

by Anonymousreply 15507/30/2017

[quote]Did you miss the column syndicated to 70-odd newspapers worldwide?

I doubt that the masses were reading her columns in the newspapers.

Rona Barrett was all over television. At one point she even had her own daytime network show "Dateline: Hollywood " co-hosted with Joanna Barnes. She was a regular on "Good Morning America".

Liz Smith? She did NYC news programs and cable.

In no way can she be compare to Barrett.

by Anonymousreply 15607/30/2017

I'm with the poster above who grew up with Liz Smith and had never heard of Rona Barrett. Maybe it's an age thing. Smith was all over the place in the late 80s-early 90s.

by Anonymousreply 15707/30/2017

Rona wrangled spots on WABC-NY/KABC-LA, and Good Morning America, trying to surpass Liz Smith, who was clearly her competition

by Anonymousreply 15807/30/2017

I also remember Rona better, though I think maybe I associate her with the 70s. I think I was a teenager when her magazine would come to the house. My mother watched Good Morning America, so I guess that's where I saw her. Liz Smith is someone I think of more as a columnist and don't remember before the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 15907/30/2017

I remember Liz's regular spot on E!'s [italic]The Gossip Show[/italic] in the '90s.

by Anonymousreply 16007/30/2017

lol, r160 The infamous curse of three-names segueing into permanent obscurity.

Fame is fleeting, eh? And what a bitch she is, too!

by Anonymousreply 16107/30/2017

Right Liz was on E all the time. What is with all the trolls that have uncontrollable needs to hijack threads? Is it because the subjects Of their adoration are unable to carry a thread with a poster of 1 ?

by Anonymousreply 16207/30/2017

Frank Sinatra hated Rona Barrett. But I'm pretty sure he hated Liz Smith as well. Don't I remember a very public feud?

by Anonymousreply 16307/30/2017

Rona's interviews didn't have people jumping on sofas.

by Anonymousreply 16407/30/2017

The difference in fame between Rona and Liz is generational not geographic.

Rona was big in the 1960s and 1970s.

Liz was big in the 1980s and 1990s. I think Rona was even out of the gossip business before the 1990s began.

by Anonymousreply 16507/30/2017

Liz Smith did everything a man could do to me but backwards and in high heels.

by Anonymousreply 16607/30/2017

Liz wasn't born with a silver pussy in her mouth.

by Anonymousreply 16707/30/2017

I once saw Rona Barrett driving her Rolls Royce down Santa Monica Blvd. and I swear she was driving along in three-quarter profile. Was her neck stuck like that or something?

by Anonymousreply 16807/30/2017

I remember when Liz ran the blind item about the female host who was going to come out and then didn't. Both Oprah and Rosie (who the item was about) blew up at her. I can see why. Liz doesn't have to come out, but you do was her motto.

"Rosie, says Smith, "is crazy, that girl. She loses her temper at everything. The item didn't mention Rosie's name, and she was about to make this grand announcement, but instead she started yelling and screaming. That item was so careful, it didn't even say talk show host. It was such a blind item, it was groping around in the dark. (Laughs.)"

by Anonymousreply 16907/30/2017

But what about ME?

by Anonymousreply 17007/30/2017

Haber lost her job as well as any kind of respect she might have earned with her blind item that Jean Seberg was pregnant with the baby of a Black Panther.

A lot of people though Smith's blind item was about Carol Burnett.

by Anonymousreply 17107/30/2017

I always thought Ann Richards and Liz Smith were dating/lovers?

I was a cater waiter 20+ years ago for the opening night party of "The Lion King" (Broadway musical) which was held at the Roxy nightclub, and Ann and Liz were there together. It was so crowded I decided to just go over and say hi to both and introduce myself to them. They were funny and charming as hell. It was so fun to meet them!

by Anonymousreply 17207/30/2017

Rona Barrett was more ostentatious.

by Anonymousreply 17307/30/2017

Actually she is the most successful gossip columnist of all time- she still has a column in NY Social Diary and it is full of wisdom and trenchant insight. Have a look. She also happens to be one of the nicest (famous) individuals you'll ever meet. She has also been a powerful charitable and philanthropic force in NYC for decades. Lot if of really small minds on this thread- too bad. What a life she has had.

by Anonymousreply 17407/30/2017

R 169, so you are saying that Oprah is indeed a DL Sister? I mean I have no doubt but where did you get the piece about them being angry at Liz? I have seen groups of gay women celebs in NYC - but never Oprah, though I did see her with Gayle at "The Trip to Bountiful."

by Anonymousreply 17507/30/2017

Renata Scotto's mob connections were said to aid Levine. I didn't hear about Battle ever helping him. Battle was finally dumped when he couldn't protect her from her own crazy behavior.

by Anonymousreply 17607/30/2017

Didn't Joyce Haber write a roman á clef back in the day? I remember reading at least some of it and it was pretty filthy, lol

by Anonymousreply 17708/01/2017

R177, "The Users". Back in the early 1970s, Joyce went on a mission to "out" Chuck Connors in her column, based on a grainy B&W video of him with another guy.

by Anonymousreply 17808/01/2017

Every sun sets...

by Anonymousreply 17908/01/2017

R178 So WAS The Rifleman gay?? Was he Rock Hudson gay or just John Wayne gay?

by Anonymousreply 18008/01/2017

Found the Chuck Connors video . . .

by Anonymousreply 18108/01/2017

What made gossip columnists like or hate someone? It seemed according to Feud that Hedda Hopper wanted to protect Joan Crawford, maybe that wasn't really the case.

But why would someone want to out someone when it would end their career?

by Anonymousreply 18208/01/2017

That video of Chick Connors is a hoot with the honkytonk music background. In some of the angles he almost looks like Tom Brady..or maybe Tom Brady's brother.

by Anonymousreply 18308/01/2017

I think she got the first part down but I always wondered about the second.

by Anonymousreply 18408/03/2017

What was sad about this? It's called "getting old", "changing times", not a big deal.

by Anonymousreply 18508/03/2017
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