there, i said it!
I Hate the word cis
|by Anonymous||reply 80||July 10, 2017 7:46 AM|
How long has that word been around? Is it an actual word, or something recently made up?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||June 29, 2017 1:59 AM|
I hate it, too. I will not be defined by what I am not.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||June 29, 2017 1:59 AM|
Cis my ass OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||June 29, 2017 1:59 AM|
Snore.... how many of these threads do you people need?
|by Anonymous||reply 4||June 29, 2017 2:01 AM|
Wipe it first, R3.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||June 29, 2017 2:01 AM|
How long must we be subjected to their sexist homophobic psychobabble?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||June 29, 2017 2:02 AM|
What's wrong with cis? It's not defining you but "what you are not," R3. I take it you are a cis male? It's just letting us know you were born male. Why do you have to be a jerk about it?
|by Anonymous||reply 7||June 29, 2017 2:02 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 8||June 29, 2017 2:02 AM|
Please don't ask like a cissy
|by Anonymous||reply 9||June 29, 2017 2:04 AM|
I have the same questions as R1?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||June 29, 2017 2:06 AM|
I had never even heard of "cis" or "cisgender" or anything of the sort until a few years ago. "Cisgender" was only added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2015.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||June 29, 2017 2:14 AM|
This shall be tomorrow's word Of The Day.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||June 29, 2017 2:15 AM|
According to Merriam Webster's Dictionary the word cis has only been around since 1994. NOT A REAL WORD.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||June 29, 2017 2:16 AM|
And I believe that word came into use in 2015, not1994. How did a word that new, that no one uses besides trans who are .1 percent of the population, get put into the dictionary?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||June 29, 2017 2:18 AM|
In Latin, it's the opposite of 'trans' which in Latin means "across" or "on the other side of".
"a prefix occurring in loanwords from Latin meaning “on the near side of; on THIS side of” ( cisalpine); on this model, used in the formation of compound words ( cisatlantic)."
|by Anonymous||reply 15||June 29, 2017 2:19 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 16||June 29, 2017 2:19 AM|
PS They (trans and cis) are both prefixes, not actual nouns.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||June 29, 2017 2:19 AM|
Biological male worked just fine r15.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||June 29, 2017 2:20 AM|
There are far more interesting things to hate like Trump's horrible spray tan.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||June 29, 2017 2:21 AM|
I refuse to acknowledge the stupid term.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||June 29, 2017 2:31 AM|
It will pass, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||June 29, 2017 2:32 AM|
It's meant to emasculate gay men especially . F the SJW
|by Anonymous||reply 22||June 29, 2017 2:32 AM|
Cis is bad. Clit scares me to death.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||June 29, 2017 2:40 AM|
[quote]What's wrong with cis? It's not defining you but "what you are not," [R3]. I take it you are a cis male? It's just letting us know you were born male. Why do you have to be a jerk about it?
As a homosexual, we've spent our entire lives having people qualify our being men. Society continues to hold to the idea that we are not men because we have sex with other men. We are men - full stop. No additional adjectives required or wanted. You are perfectly within your rights to qualify yourself. If you want to be a trans man or whatever else, go ahead. You don't get to place any disclaimer on the rest of us being men.
It's hypocritical to put labels on other people at the same time as these people demand not to be labeled themselves. It's also flawed logic - if one can decide he's a man (for whatever internal reasoning), then birth gender is irrelevant. Using the "cis" label merely emphasizes the "otherness" of the very people who want to be seen as no different.
And that, Marjorie --- just so you will know --- and your children will someday know --- is the night the lights went out in Georgia!
|by Anonymous||reply 24||June 29, 2017 2:53 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 25||June 29, 2017 2:55 AM|
I heard a straight guy say the word was designed to be "emasculating".
|by Anonymous||reply 26||June 29, 2017 2:56 AM|
How does it cis emasculate gay men? Straight men can, and offer are, cis men too. Harrison Ford is a cis straight male. Doesn't emasculate him.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||June 29, 2017 2:57 AM|
I think because when men hear "cis" they automatically associate it with "sissy". So it has this very negative connotation for a lot of guys.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||June 29, 2017 2:59 AM|
[quote] As a homosexual, we've spent our entire lives having people qualify our being men.
What on earth does this sentence mean? Are you speaking just for yourself? Or are you speaking for all men you label as homosexual? I have no idea how old you are but I doubt very much what you describe is the same experience for gay men everywhere and of every age.
[quote] then birth gender is irrelevant
What is birth gender? A phrase you have made up? Or do you not know what gender means?
[quote] Using the "cis" label merely emphasizes the "otherness" of the very people who want to be seen as no different.
Where did you get the idea that anyone wanted to be seen as "no different"? I'm a gay man and I certainly see myself as different from a straight man. But that difference isn't a reason to deny me full civil and human rights. That concept of being different but having the same rights is a critical part of law and life here in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||June 29, 2017 4:46 AM|
Cis is a scientific expression appropriated by social "scientists" to lend credence to their bullshit theories.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||June 29, 2017 4:50 AM|
If you're a MTT who has the right to call me cis or cismale, then I have the right to call you a man. Which is what you are, despite the dress & wig.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||June 29, 2017 4:55 AM|
Cis also glosses over the struggles many, many people, especially same-sex attracted people, have in conforming to the behaviors expected of their gender. Gender is imposed on all of us - the bullshit idea that it is naturally occurring to some people enables the justification of female oppression as being based in characteristics natural to their sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||June 29, 2017 5:11 AM|
They can't just say the word "normal" so they had to invent the word "cis" to counter "trans"
|by Anonymous||reply 33||June 29, 2017 5:11 AM|
did none of you ever take high school chemistry
as in cis-isomer and trans-isomer
|by Anonymous||reply 34||June 29, 2017 5:12 AM|
Did you ever take biology r34?
|by Anonymous||reply 35||June 29, 2017 5:15 AM|
Gender doesn't make a lot of sense to me, it's just a social construct, hence arbitrary bullshit, related to both sex. And I wish we could get rid of that for obvious reasons. So transgender and cisgender don't make more sense to me, it's just new words for old conservative nonsense.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||June 29, 2017 5:41 AM|
Move it along, Cis.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||June 29, 2017 5:45 AM|
I will not use the 'cis' label. I was born this gender and I will die this gender. I think transgender is used by those who are born one gender and decide (or have it decided for them...looking at you Angelina Jolie) for whatever reason. My personal opinion (yeah, yeah hate mongers, no one cares about my personal opinion) is that they are self-loathing gays. Do the men get rid of their penis? Or are they like Laverne Cox who says he is keeping her penis because his penis is feminine. That sentence alone tells me Laverne is delusional.
If some want to use 'cis' by all means, cis your hearts out. I will never use it in reference to myself or anyone else. It's offensive. People are either male or female, whether they're born that way or choose to change that, still male or female. I know....gender fluid. Nope. Not buying it.
I will also never use our new alphabet...LGBTI. No. The trans and the intersex do not belong in the LGB community. We should never have allowed ourselves to adopt every damn orphaned cause that knocks on our door. Our issues are different from theirs and, frankly, I think that including them makes it even harder for us to get the rights that we deserve. Yes, they deserve the same rights we all deserve but not under our umbrella.
Yes, I am a cranky asshole, set in my ways. I will die and take my opinions with me but not soon enough for the Millenials who have a much greater sense of inclusion than I do.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||June 29, 2017 5:54 AM|
OP: Saying you hate the word 'cis' was difficult? Why?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||June 29, 2017 6:02 AM|
The term confuses me> I hate language that seems to obscure.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||June 29, 2017 6:15 AM|
From R(20) article:
"Currently, Just Want Privacy, an anti-trans group, is gathering signatures for Initiative 1552 in Washington State, which, if passed, would force trans kids in public schools to use the bathroom of their sex at birth. Pushed under the guise of protecting the safety and privacy of women and children, what bathroom bills inevitably do is harm trans people, who are put at risk when forced to use bathrooms that may not match the gender they present. "
And also from the article:
"There is a contingent of "radical feminists" ("radfems" in internet parlance) who use stories like Cass's to argue that transitioning is a patriarchal attempt to reinforce gender roles and erase butch women. Some radfems (a subset of whom are commonly referred to as "trans exclusionary radical feminists" or TERFs, a term that is generally considered a slur by those it's directed toward) allege that the modern trans movement is fueled by the pharmaceutical and biotech industries, which have fooled gender nonconforming people—especially gays and lesbians—into seeking costly medical interventions for no reason."
So with the first quote, the author seems to admit that men in restrooms commit violence against humans dressed like women, but then the author wants to transfer that risk of violence to "cis" women by allowing men into women's restroom, therefore admitting that women are worth less than men (MtTs) in the eyes of MtTs and their allies. It's more important to protect MtT than the more than 50% of the population who were born women.
If MtT were indeed women they would know why women do not want to give any man legal access to their private spaces.
In the second quote, the author acts as if the perfectly reasonable objections some women and gays have to the T is just K-Razy, when in fact, their objections ARE perfectly reasonable to the sane.
And, in the comments, a poster says that misgendering a T is a hate crime in the state of Washington.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||June 29, 2017 6:35 AM|
Misgendering is a hate crime in Wa? Calling a man "he" is on a par with dragging James Byrd behind a truck until his head pops off or killing Matthew Shepard and crucifying him on a fence?
One more reason to vote for Trump in 2020.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||June 29, 2017 6:58 AM|
[quote] One more reason to vote for Trump in 2020.
As if anybody needed more of a clue that you assholes are all pro-Trump cunts, R42.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||June 29, 2017 7:07 AM|
R42 hates gay men and hates all women.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||June 29, 2017 7:29 AM|
I meant to say R43
|by Anonymous||reply 45||June 29, 2017 7:30 AM|
SJW @ R can't read because R made it clear that he, himself, would not vote for Trump.
R the poster in the article R posted comes back later in the comments and cites the exact Washington state statute, but it didn't make sense so you might want to check out the comment section for yourself.
R can you and the state of Washington guarantee to females that every single XY who enters a women's locker room claiming to be a female is indeed a MtT and not a pedophile, pervert, Peeping Tom or prankster?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||June 29, 2017 7:32 AM|
Only trannys used that word. I hate it too.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||June 29, 2017 7:49 AM|
Oooh, OP. Be careful speaking truth to power. You might get doxxed and stalked and harassed.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||June 29, 2017 7:57 AM|
[quote][R42] hates gay men and hates all women.
Not as much as the people forcing us to call ourselves this for seeing through their tyrannical bullshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||June 29, 2017 7:57 AM|
What in the Sam Hill did I say which implies that I hate gay men and women?
|by Anonymous||reply 50||June 29, 2017 8:29 AM|
Who the fuck is Sam Hill?
|by Anonymous||reply 51||June 29, 2017 8:40 AM|
Nevermind. According to Google Sam Hill is an Aussie mountain bike rider.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||June 29, 2017 8:43 AM|
I think you meant a cis mountain bike rider, r52
|by Anonymous||reply 53||June 29, 2017 8:49 AM|
0.3% of the population has a gender identity disorder so they have to invent a word for 99.7% of the population so they can label them as "privileged" and "normative."
What other disease affects 0.3% of the population and creates this much chaos? Hmm? Anything?
|by Anonymous||reply 54||June 29, 2017 9:14 AM|
The term male or gay man works for me. I just completely blank out the word cis and anyone who uses it.
It's a non-word and means literally nothing and has no relevance to anyone unless they are a "queer" SJW Internet warrior activist who seem to think that we all live in their self-fashioned world of continual slights and self created turmoil and conflict and are desperate to hear every single word that comes out of their mouths.... We don't and we aren't.
Also - I hate Trump and wish his orange tanning liquid would explode into flames and melt the skin of his morbidly obese body - before you accuse me of being a Trump supporter you cunts. I didn't mention his hair bursting into flames because all gays know that it's fireproof and would survive a nuclear bombing attack with the cockroaches.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||June 29, 2017 9:34 AM|
...𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒚𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒕𝒍𝒆 𝒅𝒐𝒈 𝒕𝒐𝒐!
|by Anonymous||reply 56||June 29, 2017 9:36 AM|
Cis: A person who identifies with the gender assigned to them at birth.
No one is"assigned" a gender. Medical staff and parents observe a baby's biological sex and record it as male or female.
Gender is a collection of stereotypes associated with being male or female. No human is a stereotype. No one is "cis".
|by Anonymous||reply 57||June 29, 2017 10:01 AM|
DNA, chromosomes & anatomy determine the sex of humans and other mammals. Women have different hormones and the ability to give birth. Surgery & hormone therapy may change anatomy but not DNA & chromosomes. There is nothing controversial about that. Sex does not naturally determine how one dresses or acts. That's where the social concept of gender comes in. Presumably, gender can be chosen & changed.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||June 29, 2017 10:26 AM|
R32 - Your argument makes no sense. Especially within the context of feminism. Feminism has never asserted there is no difference between male and female. Those differences aren't the basis for discrimination. Obvious example - sex or gender shouldn't impact one's right to vote. Even the most radical of feminists accept there are differences between men and women. Even the most radical of feminist accept the difference between male and female genders. You need to check a calendar. It has been decades since radical feminist have tried to shame women for being women. That is what you are doing. Which leads me to think you are a white gay male probably over 50 years old.
R57 - you don't know what cisgender means. You claim if is identifying with gender assigned them at birth Biological sex is assigned at birth. Not gender. If a baby has a penis it is said to be male. That is a biological determination of sex. Not gender. It is years before gender can be identified. Then with the individuals consent. It's not that complicated.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||July 4, 2017 6:22 AM|
Me too. Who comes up with these ugly neologisms? Is there a competition for least euphonious word? This one is especially odd, sounding as it does like "Sis."
|by Anonymous||reply 60||July 4, 2017 6:26 AM|
 (self-described "cranky asshole"),
I love you!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||July 4, 2017 6:32 AM|
R60 - look it up. Do you have the same problem with "pederast" and "pedantic"?
|by Anonymous||reply 62||July 4, 2017 6:33 AM|
I do have a problem with "pederast" and the negative connotations it has. "Pedantic" is fine. The prefix "cis," used as it is currently, is clunky and trendy and won't last.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||July 4, 2017 6:48 AM|
We all hate 'cis'. The question is, how do we effectively fight back against it?
'Queer' is another one.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||July 4, 2017 6:49 AM|
So Laverne has kept the Cox?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||July 4, 2017 6:58 AM|
That Tannehill person quoted in the article at R20 sounds like a psychotic liar. People like that are horrible. There is nothing "right-wing" about criticizing the parts of trans beliefs that don't make sense. Nor does the right wing have anything to do with someone wanting to 'detransition'.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||July 4, 2017 7:21 AM|
r59 - please show me where I stated there's no difference between the sexes. Oh, you can't because I said no such thing. How about where I tried to 'shame women for being women'? Nope, I didn't do that either. My point was that cis legitimizes as naturally inherent traits that are trained, such as passivity and subservience to (male) authority being feminine behaviors expected of girls and women. Your assumptions re my sex and age are as accurate and perceptive as your critique of my argument. Maybe you should read some more.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||July 4, 2017 7:44 AM|
How do the crazies label born female at birth? Cis female?
|by Anonymous||reply 68||July 4, 2017 8:08 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 69||July 4, 2017 10:10 AM|
I don't even know what it means, nor do I care. All the new words are just lame.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||July 4, 2017 10:27 AM|
The actual description of it just sounds made up!
|by Anonymous||reply 71||July 4, 2017 4:42 PM|
i ONLY think of Cisalpina Gaul and Transalpina Gaul
|by Anonymous||reply 72||July 4, 2017 4:44 PM|
R7 Why do you have to add words when they aren't necessary? Didn't your daddy tell you that you were special enough when he'd slip into your bed at night as a child?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||July 4, 2017 4:48 PM|
Maybe already stated. From my long ago Chemistry, I think cis- is a standard prefix used to describe molecule structure. The opposite of trans-.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||July 4, 2017 4:57 PM|
Your unhinged screed reflects a fundamental lack of reading comprehensions skills. You take random sentences from my post and create your own delusional meaning.
Use cis, don't use cis - I don't really care what you do for yourself.
However, I will not accept the word as a label for me. Is that simple enough for your meager cognition skills to grasp. It's a made-up word which has no meaning for me or my life. I am a male - full stop, no qualifiers or other labels required or accepted.
If that bothers or offends you, well then, it sucks to be you and it's just too damn bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||July 4, 2017 7:34 PM|
R24 / R75 - Interesting reply. I quote from your post and then reply to those quotes.
You decide not to answer my post but just to claim I have a fundamental lack or reading comprehension?
Nice try. But a fail.
Do you not have answers to the specific questions I asked?
|by Anonymous||reply 76||July 10, 2017 5:20 AM|
"Cis" isn't so much a word as a slur.
Once someone uses it other than for snark, I can't really listen to whatever gibberish will follow.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||July 10, 2017 6:21 AM|
The only word I hate more is "neurotypical."
|by Anonymous||reply 78||July 10, 2017 6:24 AM|
Boys, Girls, Cis people, some civility please!
|by Anonymous||reply 79||July 10, 2017 6:29 AM|
There is no such thing as "cis". I ask anyone here who believes in the idea of "cis" to provide me with a definition. Try.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||July 10, 2017 7:46 AM|