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The destruction of Hillary Clinton: sexism, Sanders and the millennial feminists

[italic]In this extract from her book, Susan Bordo asks how the most qualified candidate ever to run for president lost the seemingly unloseable election

Susan Bordo

Sunday 2 April 2017 19.30 EDT Last modified on Monday 3 April 2017 11.18 EDT

Many books have been written about the way racial differences among feminists both divided and pushed feminist thinking and practice forward over the past several decades. In the 2016 election, however, it was not race but generation that was the dynamic factor among left-leaning women. Women like me, who experienced many cultural battles in the “gender wars” firsthand – from the first scornful comments that journalists had heaped on “women’s libbers”, to the public shaming of Anita Hill, to the renewed threats to bodily rights that we thought we had won decades earlier – brought to the 2016 campaign a personal knowledge of the fragility of feminist accomplishments and an identification with Hillary that was deeper and longer than any current headlines.

We may have winced – as I did – when Madeleine Albright quoted a coffee-cup version of feminism or Hillary said “deal me in”. But we understood that behind every seeming appeal to “sisterhood” was the history of what was indeed a revolution – and one that was far from over. We knew the role Hillary had played in that revolution, and the price she had paid for it. Many of us, too, had followed Clinton through the course of her public career, had read her autobiography, and knew very well that the accusation that she had come to issues concerning racial and economic justice late and “for political purposes” was among the most extraordinary fabrications of the campaign.

Many younger women, on the other hand – no less feminist, no less committed to gender equality – had formed their ideas about “the Clintons”, as Savannah Barker reminds us, in the shadow of 20 years of relentless personal and political attacks. Few of them – as I know from decades of teaching courses on feminism, gender issues, and the social movements of the 60s – were aware of the “living history” (to borrow Hillary’s phrase) that shaped the woman herself.

These young women weren’t around when the GOP, appalled that liberals like the Clintons had somehow grabbed political power, began a series of witchhunts that have never ended. (Hillary was correct: it has been a “vast rightwing conspiracy”, from the Spectator magazine’s “Arkansas Project”, designed specifically to take Bill Clinton down, to Kenneth Starr’s relentless digging into Bill’s private life, to the Benghazi and email investigations.)

[quote] I knew what one of my students meant when I asked her how millennial feminists saw Hillary and she said 'a white lady'

They hadn’t experienced a decade of culture wars in which feminists’ efforts to bring histories of gender and race struggle into the educational curriculum were reduced to a species of political correctness. They didn’t witness the complicated story of how the 1994 crime bill came to be passed or the origins of the “super-predator” label (not coined by Hillary and not referring to black youth, but rather to powerful, older drug dealers).

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by Anonymousreply 164April 23, 2018 5:36 PM

[/italic]forgot italics had to be closed...please forgive me

by Anonymousreply 1April 5, 2017 5:08 PM

The "most qualified candidate ever" was also one of the least likable candidates ever.

Case closed.

by Anonymousreply 2April 5, 2017 5:10 PM

She destroyed herself

by Anonymousreply 3April 5, 2017 5:13 PM

A horse flogged to death never revives. Move on.

by Anonymousreply 4April 5, 2017 5:17 PM

Oh boy. More about the Hildebitch?

by Anonymousreply 5April 5, 2017 5:23 PM

Please R2 - as if Trump was remotely "likeable". He carried on like a pig, but he said a bunch of things that certain people wanted to hear so they overlooked that.

Clinton's problem is that she and her campaign staff were overconfident about her pull in certain Midwest states (like WI) and PA. If she had campaigned for President the way she did for her first Senate run, she would have won handily.

by Anonymousreply 6April 5, 2017 5:26 PM

R6 she should have paid attention to those swing states instead of taking them for granted. But another issue is people are tired of "Clinton scandal" whether true or not.. the clintons always seem to be surrounded by scandal - even if it's unwarranted - it's still always there. People just got tired of it.

by Anonymousreply 7April 5, 2017 5:30 PM

Right, because sexism, propaganda, fake news, collusion, Sanders and Comey didn't impact the election at all, R6. The only problem was her "overconfidence."

by Anonymousreply 8April 5, 2017 5:31 PM

Yeah, R8, and tens of millions of people who otherwise might have voted for a Democrat didn't vote for Trump because the Hillary Clinton was such a screeching cunt whose only real messages were "It's my turn" and "Vote for me because I don't have a dick."

by Anonymousreply 9April 5, 2017 5:34 PM

The thing that Clinton supporters just can't admit is that this was a "change election." Sanders would have won MI, WI, and PA. Not easily, but he still would have won.

r8, I agree that sexism was a factor, but it was just one issue out of many. And complaining about Sanders is ridiculous. Why do you feel she was entitled to run unopposed? The Repugs start every primary season with about 5,000 candidates and I don't hear any of them whining about it. That's our system. That's how it works.

by Anonymousreply 10April 5, 2017 5:37 PM

[quote]I agree that sexism was a factor, but it was just one issue out of many.

Yes, and I listed many.

[quote]Why do you feel she was entitled to run unopposed?

I don't and never said I did.

It's crazy that this early in the conversation you'd start in with deliberately misrepresenting what I said AND using strawman arguments. Trolls have zero chill nowadays.

by Anonymousreply 11April 5, 2017 5:44 PM

Thesis is weak as blacks who's showed up at the poles for Obama failed to do so for H c.

by Anonymousreply 12April 5, 2017 5:47 PM

Stop with this 'most qualified in history' bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 13April 5, 2017 5:53 PM

R10, EVERY presidential election is a change election.

by Anonymousreply 14April 5, 2017 6:03 PM

[quote] The "most qualified candidate ever" was also one of the least likable candidates ever..

I liked her. I like her now.

by Anonymousreply 15April 5, 2017 6:31 PM
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by Anonymousreply 16April 5, 2017 6:36 PM

I don't understand that R16. Yes I get that Trump colluded with the Russians and Wikileaks and spied on her but Trump won not her. Maybe you just worded it wrong?

by Anonymousreply 17April 5, 2017 6:45 PM

Yeah it was totally the feminists. Right.

I am old enough to remember the advent of Limbaugh and Fox "News". The reason Hillary lost is the same reason John Kerry lost times one thousand. There is a huge industry dedicated to putting out propaganda to smear and demonize any candidate that the Democrats put forth. The Koch/Fox bunch knew for a couple decades that Hillary was going to become a political force to be reckoned with and have fabricated and publicized so many "scandals" with her name on them that the ignorant citizenry have a knee-jerk response to her.

BTW: Love all the right-wing sock-monkeys on here trying to call it something other than what it is.

by Anonymousreply 18April 5, 2017 6:59 PM

[quote] The "most qualified candidate ever" was also one of the least likable candidates ever..

That is just a lot of bollocks that those of you who think Sanders is some lovable granpa like to perpetuate. You and your fellow Repubs.

Clinton is plenty liked in spite of twenty years of Republican mudslinging.

I know a lot of women who find her inspiring. And so do I.

I see "I'm with her" car stickers and it warms my heart.

by Anonymousreply 19April 5, 2017 7:06 PM

1. She was not the most qualified candidate ever.

2. She may have been more qualified than Trump, but she had too much baggage. Like it or not, what she & Bill did with the Clinton Foundation was unethical. That is the real reason she was using a private email server, not some real or imagined affair with Huma Abedin.

Also, her marriage to Bill is a business affair, and everyone knows that. It is tough for the average person to relate or trust someone like that.

by Anonymousreply 20April 5, 2017 7:07 PM

[quote]Like it or not, what she & Bill did with the Clinton Foundation was unethical. That is the real reason she was using a private email server, not some real or imagined affair with Huma Abedin.

Unbelievable.

Now I've seen it all.

You, sir, disgust me.

by Anonymousreply 21April 5, 2017 7:09 PM

[quote]1. She was not the most qualified candidate ever.

She was the most qualified candidate in the last election. Period.

by Anonymousreply 22April 5, 2017 7:11 PM

R18 is right. Remember how they said Gore claimed he invented the internet? How Kerry didn't deserve his purple heart? How Obama was a Muslim and his wife a man? Clinton faced the same crap any Dem candidate does. She did not have the organization Obama did because she has very poor judgement in hiring, which is a constant throughout her career. It's the same poor judgement she showed when she published an autobiography not just filled with lies but promoting "Third Way" liberalism on the Tony Blair model at the very time 2000, when it became clear to the intellectual class that traditional liberalism was the cure for what ailed the nation. And she persisted with it right up until 2008 when she would have wiped the floor with Obama if she had clued in to the nation's economic distress six months earlier. This time, we were told she learned something. Well she changed her views and her strategy but still didn't seem to realize she had to STAND for something, a slogan, in a society where people don't understand how it all works and need someone to explain to them. As for the Clinton Foundation, it may not have been unethical, but surely they both knew it would be characterized as a pay to play scheme so they needed to dot their i's and cross their t's. They didn't have the luxury of committing crimes that nobody took seriously like GWB and Trump, and they knew that as well as anyone.

by Anonymousreply 23April 5, 2017 7:12 PM

[quote]as if Trump was remotely "likeable". He carried on like a pig, but he said a bunch of things that certain people wanted to hear so they overlooked that.

Many people voted for Trump with outright glee that doing so was sticking it to the Establishment. In politics, that makes him likable.

by Anonymousreply 24April 5, 2017 7:13 PM

Of course I think it's also true that Obama didn't exactly bust a gut helping her either.

by Anonymousreply 25April 5, 2017 7:21 PM

And let's not forget how Sanders takes credit for the hard work of women and pretends it's all his idea... sexist motherfucker.

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by Anonymousreply 26April 5, 2017 7:25 PM

[quote]Like it or not, what she & Bill did with the Clinton Foundation was unethical. That is the real reason she was using a private email server, not some real or imagined affair with Huma Abedin.

This statement is completely ignorant and wrong, a parroting of RWNJ & Russian propaganda and smears that has zero basis in actual fact.

Just stop it.

by Anonymousreply 27April 5, 2017 7:26 PM

r23 Wow that was clever. /s

You started by stating that my R18 post was right and then camped right on to it and kept slinging the mud at Hillary. You prove my point for me, as the arena is moving more from radio/tv into the online world, and the right-wing powers that be would like nothing more than to obfuscate what is really the problem.

by Anonymousreply 28April 5, 2017 7:30 PM

Yeah, if you're STILL bashing Hillary? At this point? You're no liberal, democrat, or progressive. You're just a sexist/misogynist troll.

by Anonymousreply 29April 5, 2017 7:33 PM

Hillary lost for two reasons. One, because Flyover Country regards her as corrupt, and insincere. And two, Donald Trump out managed her despite a fraction of her budget.

Hillary is so obviously tied to the donor class that the working class abandoned her. Everything about her seems calculated and subject to change based on a poll. She courted McCain while trying to lure back Sanders workers. She tried to compensate for a lack of message by going negative, allowing Trump to play the Positive Visionary.

Her Bestie was a Muslim Brotherhood fashionista, probably a spy, married to a pedophile.

Her Campaign was run by overrated, uncharismatic people, and it froze out local Democratic structures.

Worst of all, she lacked Trump's "ear to the ground". Trump is viewed as chaotic, but he is always tinkering until he finds Gold. He is willing to chop dead wood. When opportunity arose in the Midwest, he pounced. And he was flexible enough to allow local Republican organs to do their thing, unlike the control freak Clinton Clique.

by Anonymousreply 30April 5, 2017 7:48 PM

No, I'm concerned that she still thinks she's going to run again and we need an alternative, and we need that alternative now. It's not too early to start identifying candidates. I'm not saying it's our Numero Uno priority, that should be Secretary of State in every state that runs them in 2018, plus state legislature candidates. We also needUS Senate candidates and Congress too, but this will take a little time to develop a coherent strategy for . We need a progressive ticket filled with candidates for these positions. But identifying presidential talent should be a definite project of Mr. Perez.

by Anonymousreply 31April 5, 2017 7:50 PM

R23 is doing that troll thing again where they start out agreeing with liberal/Democratic opinions and then segue into Clinton bashing halfway through their post, like no one will notice. And I'd bet a lot of people don't notice, they read the first sentence and nod or WW and move on.

I only noticed this happening a couple days ago and now I realize it's all over DL lately. Actual troll tactic or just people with disorganized thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 32April 5, 2017 8:22 PM

Obama had a huge advantage, something which was noted early in his campaign: he hadn't been subjected to the years/decades of Republican lies and slander that other candidates had dealt with. Clinton (well, both of them) got the brunt of Repug smear and hate. Others like Gore and Dean and Biden had to deal with quite a bit, too.

I'd say Sanders benefited from not having had Repugs smear him for decades, but that's only because he was so far left early in his career, then so inconsequential and conciliatory later in his career, they never bothered. If he'd been the candidate they would have clobbered him with smear tactics. Just clobbered him.

by Anonymousreply 33April 5, 2017 8:26 PM

I am amazed at trolls who still think that Hillary Clinton is the enemy.

by Anonymousreply 34April 5, 2017 9:41 PM

Hillary was so unlikeable she won the popular vote by almost three million!

by Anonymousreply 35April 5, 2017 9:58 PM

I think that it is more simple than anyone thinks. Uneducated women do not vote for women unless the alternative is too horrible to comprehend (think the UK Labour party in the 1980's). Successful women make them feel inferior, unfortunately Hilary did that also.

Margaret Thatcher only won because of the disarray of the opposition. If she had stood in 1992 she would have lost, badly.

If the UK Labour party ditches Jeremy Corbain and replaces him with a more moderate candidate then Teresa May will not win the 2020 UK election.

Women are more likely to vote for a party with a charismatic male leader. Same is true for most men.

The USA has no chance of a female POTUS unless the country is in deep recession and she is seen as the only viable alternative.

by Anonymousreply 36April 5, 2017 10:05 PM

Yes she was the best qualified candidate in USA history. No other candidaie had as much experience in the different branches of government or international affairs.

by Anonymousreply 37April 5, 2017 10:22 PM

How I love the deluded little morons who believe that Sanders would have won anything.

by Anonymousreply 38April 5, 2017 10:27 PM

Sanders had no chance! Too Socialist and old, not sure why he even stood?

by Anonymousreply 39April 5, 2017 10:30 PM

[quote] The USA has no chance of a female POTUS unless the country is in deep recession and she is seen as the only viable alternative.

Or the Cylons attack and the only one left alive is the Secretary of Education.

by Anonymousreply 40April 5, 2017 10:33 PM

[QUOTE] Or the Cylons attack and the only one left alive is the Secretary of Education.

Yep! Kind of how we got Teresa May after Brexit. We didn't elect her...

by Anonymousreply 41April 5, 2017 10:43 PM

I am so tired of the fight between the Bernie supporters and the Hillary supporters. At this point, neither side is going to change their mind. We stand where we stand. Neither of our candidates is ever going to be President and that's a fact.

There is a small small part of me that kind of wishes Bernie was the nominee in 2020 just to see him get creamed to teach a lesson to his die hard supporters. He was a deeply flawed candidate and the country as a whole is not as far left as he is. I would vote for him over Trump any day, but I just want to shut up those "I told you so" people and see the smug smile on their faces wiped off.

by Anonymousreply 42April 5, 2017 10:50 PM

[quote] Yes she was the best qualified candidate in USA history. No other candidaie had as much experience in the different branches of government or international affairs.

She certainly has had a ton of experience but making the statement that somebody is "the most qualified person to ever run" carries the weight that, eventually, needs to be lived up to. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. In the last year's climate, people wanted promises and strong rhetoric as outlandish as it were. Were there some amazing accomplishments of her during her many years of service that the general public was not aware? If so, why didn't her campaign emphasize them more forcefully, instead of just reducing the message to: "Trump is dangerous!"?

by Anonymousreply 43April 5, 2017 10:54 PM

[quote]because Flyover Country [bold]MISTAKENLY[/bold] regards her as corrupt, and insincere.

Fixed that for you, R30.

by Anonymousreply 44April 5, 2017 10:56 PM

[quote]Hillary was so unlikeable she won the popular vote by almost three million!

Not to mention so unlikable that her approval was always in the 60% when she was at State, and she won "Most Admired Woman in the World" 20 times!

by Anonymousreply 45April 5, 2017 10:58 PM

R36, the only flaw in your argument is that Hillary WAS the only viable option this time. There has never been anyone so stunningly unfit, unqualified, unhinged, undeserving, and inexperienced as Trump.

by Anonymousreply 46April 5, 2017 10:59 PM

In 1972, Sen. George McGovern was a liberal, anti-war candidate that beat the establishment democratic candidates in the primaries. The young, college students supported him. I was one of them. He lost 49 states to Richard Nixon.

Bern Bros need to look at history. Sanders was not the first to try that angle in the modern era.

by Anonymousreply 47April 5, 2017 10:59 PM

[quote]Were there some amazing accomplishments of her during her many years of service that the general public was not aware?

Yes, actually. But nobody gave a shit beyond 'emails'.

by Anonymousreply 48April 5, 2017 11:01 PM

As I said a female candidate has huge difficulties, If she says that she is the best qualified or cleverest then she's being superior. Big turn off.

If she attacks the opposing candidate then she's a bitch. No win either way. The USA is still not ready for a woman as POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 49April 5, 2017 11:01 PM

[QUOTE] the only flaw in your argument is that Hillary WAS the only viable option this time. There has never been anyone so stunningly unfit, unqualified, unhinged, undeserving, and inexperienced as Trump.

But for her to win she would have had to appear a bit dimmer (more stupid) than she was and the USA would have had to be in the grip of a deep recession.

by Anonymousreply 50April 5, 2017 11:06 PM

Oh, and bake cookies!

by Anonymousreply 51April 5, 2017 11:08 PM

Hillary was the most qualified candidate we have seen in our lifetimes, but she wasn't the most qualified ever to run. Currently, Thomas Jefferson holds that record as a former ambassador, Governor, Congressman, Secretary of State, and Vice President. Author of the Declaration of Independence also gives you a few bonus points.

It's sad, the standards for running for that office were much higher in the Founding generation than they are today.

by Anonymousreply 52April 5, 2017 11:10 PM

Well, you either have to be extremely charismatic if relatively inexperienced (Obama) or be ready to convince the average Joe and Jane that, all your experience aside, you are good at making legislations pass that will make their lives easier. Of course, none of that applies to GOP, since their candidates thrive on fears, not hopes.

by Anonymousreply 53April 5, 2017 11:13 PM

Hillary did not lose because shes a woman.

The US has tons of female elected officials.

Quit using that sorry excuse.

by Anonymousreply 54April 5, 2017 11:34 PM

by "too much baggage", r20 means "vagina."

by Anonymousreply 55April 6, 2017 11:47 AM

I'm sure she's having a good laugh at the endless fuckups happening on a daily basis. I know I would.

by Anonymousreply 56April 6, 2017 11:58 AM

You don't understand US politics if that's your honest analysis, r54.

by Anonymousreply 57April 6, 2017 12:37 PM

[quote] none of that applies to GOP, since their candidates thrive on fears, not hopes.

In the end, both are ploys to get elected. Winning depends solely on who's a better story teller.

by Anonymousreply 58April 6, 2017 1:46 PM

George H.W. Bush was technically better qualified, but he was also a prick.

by Anonymousreply 59April 6, 2017 1:49 PM

Nixon was better qualified also. So was LBJ.

by Anonymousreply 60April 6, 2017 1:50 PM

So was Ford although the Warren Commission should count against him.

by Anonymousreply 61April 6, 2017 1:50 PM

Yeah right r20. Like all three of Trump's marriages were love matches. It's okay for a straight white guy to leave a wife for a mistress TWICE, but not okay for a woman candidate to stay married to the same man for almost forty years because it's an "arrangement"!

Fuck you!

by Anonymousreply 62April 6, 2017 1:52 PM

I don't think it's ever going to be clear what cost Hillary the election. History may eventually settle on one reason above others but scholars will know it wasn't that simple. Hillary, like all candidates, even the winning ones, had multiple flaws. They've been pointed out and listed off over and over again since the election. None of them on their own were enough to sink her. This was more like death by a thousand cuts. A few tens of thousands of votes here, another few thousand there until they finally added up to enough lost votes to give Trump the election.

Say, for the sake of argument, you made a Buzzfeed style listicle that identified ten flaws; some of them real, some of them manufactured, some unfair and some genuine mistakes. In the end it was such a narrow margin she probably would have won if she'd only suffered from nine of them. There's the people who looked at the negative press through the lens of her being a woman and judged her more harshly than they would have a man. The people who would have happily voted for a woman, but not a Clinton. The people who didn't care about her scandals but just never warmed to her personality and stayed home. Those who didn't care if she was 'cold' but wanted to know they'd get their jobs and their pride back. And so on.

So what was the tenth fatal flaw, the one that finally pushed her off the cliff? Sexism? Comey? Russia? Bernie? Well, that depends on who is making the list, doesn't it?

by Anonymousreply 63April 6, 2017 2:00 PM

Are we still talking about the bitch?

by Anonymousreply 64April 6, 2017 2:00 PM

OR just the simple idea that Trump had "momentum" in the last week R63. I really think many of our people are so stupid they don't care about anything but being on a winning team so they will go with whoever they think is on the upswing even though nobody can verify their vote and they obviously don't have the faintest idea what or whom to believe.

by Anonymousreply 65April 6, 2017 2:05 PM

But that goes back to a failure to communicate. When you vote you are governing the country, but when you vote to make commentary on Black Lives Matter or abortionists or gays, you are doing what, exactly? "Making a statement" is not governing the country. For decades they have been taught their votes are nothing but commentary and not the deadly serious task of running the country. And the fact that the DEMOCRATS haven't said this to them, have never tried to slap their face and explain it to them, is baffling.

They voted for a man they knew was a fraud and con-artist who had no real plans and was running merely to gratify his ego. THEY KNEW IT, but making commentary was more important than governing the country.

by Anonymousreply 66April 6, 2017 2:08 PM

I think you'd have to go chronologically, R63, because if she'd suffered your theoretical nine flaws and could still have been elected, then it was that tenth that did her in, and that was Comey.

Unless we find out that the Russians didn't just interfere with the election but hacked the vote, or that the Repugs hacked the vote again like in 2000, then that would be her fatal flaw.

by Anonymousreply 67April 6, 2017 4:20 PM

You can start a thread about yourself if you want to talk about A BITCH, R64.

by Anonymousreply 68April 6, 2017 4:43 PM

I think her Deplorables comment crystallized a lot of the amorphous criticisms people had of her and truly cost her the election.

by Anonymousreply 69April 6, 2017 4:50 PM

R37:

You are full of shit.

Bush senior had been:

Navy fighter pilot

Congressman

Ambassador to China

CIA director

Vice President

Nixon & Gore had each been an 8 year VP after serving in congress

Stop the lies

by Anonymousreply 70April 6, 2017 5:00 PM

Of course, those sorts of lies are expected from a hen party that thinks only democratic candidates are subject to smearing lies from right wing media.

by Anonymousreply 71April 6, 2017 5:04 PM

Amazingly, yes, her comment about deplorables (and she was right, by the way) was assumed to be far worse than somebody saying "grab them by the pussy", R69.

by Anonymousreply 72April 6, 2017 5:06 PM

Yes, the optics were just terrible, r72.

Not media savvy.

I have a personal theory that it was one of Robbie Mook's pet terms around the office, and it rubbed off on her. It just sounds like the way he'd put something.

by Anonymousreply 73April 6, 2017 5:13 PM

R54, if you were blind to the blatantly sexist double-standards she was subjected to, you're too much of a fucking moron to be typing on a keyboard and trying to participate here.

by Anonymousreply 74April 6, 2017 6:20 PM

R69, no, what cost her the election was Comey in the final weeks of the campaign making that bullshit comment that turned out to be nothing. THAT crystalized things more than any other single thing. The polls swung HARD against her after that. AND IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT NONSENSE HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE UTTERED TO BEGIN WITH.

There were literally a dozen things that cost her the election, but that one thing alone was the nail in the coffin.

by Anonymousreply 75April 6, 2017 6:22 PM

1) She was the continuation of the -at the time- current Administration and people always want the alternative after 8 years

2) She was sandwiched between a populist and a demagogue attacking her the exact same way

3) Said populist and demagogue were held to no standard, while absolute perfection was expected of her. Trump was incompetent and thuggish but people didn't care because "he isn't a politician". Who cares she was perfect in the three debates and him a disaster? People didn't care.

4) Forecasts and polls mislead the American people. Had people known it was this close instead of being fed "SHE HAS 90% CHANCE OF WINNING" millions more would have made the effort of voting. Apathy.

Winning this would have been a prowess, which she almost did.

by Anonymousreply 76April 6, 2017 7:10 PM

He was unfit for office, which seemed plausible until she insulted part of the electorate in the same way Romney had. He was being funded by Russia until the FBI questioned whether or not her Foundation was really a covert means for foreign governments to bribe her. Basically, people thought, well she's just the same.

by Anonymousreply 77April 6, 2017 8:07 PM

R70, I have always considered George Bush the Elder to be comparable to King George's mules.

He seems to have been everywhere but for barely enough time to have done or learned anything. His "presence" is what he had to offer.

He was a congressman for 4 years, two terms.

He was the Director of the CIA for ONE year - doing nothing more than playing waterboy for the agency for budget purposes on the Hill.

He was the American Liaison to China for ONE year.

And as a pilot during WW2 he bailed and saved his life while my father, on the other hand, opted to stay with his plane on fire risking his own life to save the lives of his crew miraculously managing to land the craft.

Spare me the bullshit of how well qualified this man was either in real experience or in character to be president.

by Anonymousreply 78April 6, 2017 8:47 PM

𝑎𝑠 𝐼 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑠𝑚, 𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑢𝑒𝑠, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑚𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 60𝑠 –

That says it all

by Anonymousreply 79April 6, 2017 9:13 PM

What it says is that they have way more experience and knowledge than you do, R79.

by Anonymousreply 80April 6, 2017 9:42 PM

Hillary had a couple of things going against her, her unpopularity, her failure to connect with the ordinary people and her failure to even campaign in the areas where those ordinary people lived.

But for any halfway intelligent person it should have been crystal clear that Trump was BY FAR the worse option between those two. There is just no question about it. America suffers from its overall gullibility, the cause of decades of bad education and celebrating trash culture.

by Anonymousreply 81April 6, 2017 10:03 PM

I think liberals need to accept the fact that the bitch lost.

by Anonymousreply 82April 6, 2017 10:05 PM

As for why the bitch lost, well, lots of reasons of course, but I'd cite three.

1. Liberal arrogance in Obama'a second term

2. Tactical mistakes in the upper Midwest

3. Gun control

The only element that liberals have accepted is #2. They still go nuts about #1, and adamently refuse to even think about #3. Which, I might add with respect to #3, is EXACTLY how the Nat'l Rifle Association likes it, because the NRA now reaches its audience through channels that liberals don't even see. They'd much rather go that route than fight it out in the general media, which is against them no matter what.

by Anonymousreply 83April 6, 2017 10:11 PM

I doubt the Comey stuff, which favored her in July and disfavored her in October, mattered very much. I think the Wikileaks stuff was a nothingburger. I do think her "deplorables" comment hurt her by stiffening the resolve of Trump voters to make sure to vote. I knew a few of them who were plenty pissed off about that comment of hers, and pretty much adopted it as their label like, say, the gays and "queer." Example at the link.

Most DLers are in the safe spaces and don't have any friends who supported Trump. I have friends across the spectrum, so I had a pretty good view of the pro-Trump mentality. It was different than it's been portrayed, especially before Nov. 9th.

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by Anonymousreply 84April 6, 2017 10:18 PM

[quote]Hillary had a couple of things going against her, her unpopularity, her failure to connect with the ordinary people and her failure to even campaign in the areas where those ordinary people lived.

Sorry, but I can't agree with blank statements like yours.

The unpopular meme is manufactured to some degree, as stated by many on this thread. When it comes to connecting with ordinary people, she does it well one on one or in small groups, but she doesn't connect talking to thousands of people from stage and she doesn't do well on camera. That I agree with.

by Anonymousreply 85April 6, 2017 10:19 PM

R85, the bitch was a terrible speaker. She honked, bellowed, and shouted. Trump did too, but it didn't work for her. Not because she's female, but because she was inauthentic. You never quite knew which persona it would be. "The Three Faces of Hillary."

by Anonymousreply 86April 6, 2017 10:23 PM

[quote]I doubt the Comey stuff, which favored her in July and disfavored her in October, mattered very much. I think the Wikileaks stuff was a nothingburger.

I mattered very much, I think Comey's email story again 10 days before the election eventually brought her down. ASSange hated Clinton, that's why he helped Putin, who hated her too, to sway opinions by only releasing the bad stuff on the democrats. Unlike 'nice guy' Obama, Clinton would have been tougher on the Russians and she would have locked ASSange up too.

Obama was responsible for not keeping the situation under control, and he failed to do that.

by Anonymousreply 87April 6, 2017 10:32 PM

PUMAs never give up, do they? IT'S ALWAYS OBAMA'S FAULT!!

by Anonymousreply 88April 6, 2017 10:34 PM

*Obama was responsible for keeping the situation under control, and he failed to do that.

by Anonymousreply 89April 6, 2017 10:38 PM

It didn't help that they nominated a cunt on her fourth FBI investigation. The only First Lady to be fingerprinted for a criminal investigation.

by Anonymousreply 90April 6, 2017 10:43 PM

R87, I think the political junkies cared a whole lot more about Comey than most voters did. By the time he did what he did, the bitch was declining in the polls anyway. But the media -- most of which actively campaigned for her -- didn't want to accept the reality.

by Anonymousreply 91April 6, 2017 10:59 PM

The election would have come out exactly the same way if neither of them did any campaigning or spent a single dollar. As soon as they nominated Hillary it was over.

by Anonymousreply 92April 6, 2017 11:03 PM

R92, I think she should've won pretty easily, but boy oh boy did she and the Democrats fuck it up.

by Anonymousreply 93April 6, 2017 11:06 PM

You're wrong about gun control R83. Most of the country INCLUDING THE DEPLORABLES would be fine with giving up their guns. The fact is the proportion of Americans owning guns. The truth is guns don't threaten the government. Guns are just a psychological substitute for solving problems through discussion. Everything would be better if we had gun control and the fantasy of murder instead of persuasion would be dead.

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by Anonymousreply 94April 6, 2017 11:08 PM

Gun control is another issue the deplorables are wrong on and losing.

by Anonymousreply 95April 6, 2017 11:08 PM

The fact that she's not motivated to do anything after losing shows that she didn't have any real passion be in politics other than to add the title of president to her record. People like Dole, McCain, Humphrey, McGovern, and Gore continued to be productive. Other losers faded away, deservedly.

by Anonymousreply 96April 6, 2017 11:13 PM

Yeah. Sure R95. R95 is a nice example of why democrats are now pretty much a regional party. From local, to state, to federal, Republicans now control the government in an unprecedented way. Yet you say they keep losing. I'm in NYC and like everyone else here I believed Hillary was going to have a record landslide. Right up until the very end.

I know a ton of people outside of the bubble who told me, immediately after Hillary was nominated, that it was going to be President Trump. I fucking laughed at them. They just told me the Northeast and the left coast have zero fucking idea of how much Hillary is hated. They were right. Any other democrat who was in the race at the very beginning would have stomped Trump.

I mean I LAUGHED when they said it would be President Trump. I thought Hillary was even going to turn Texas.

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by Anonymousreply 97April 6, 2017 11:18 PM

I agree with posters who indicate she had too much baggage; but fundies and the religious right will cast aside their oh so precious "beliefs" in order to vote for the candidate they consider the lesser of two evils.

Dems won't do that - if it can't be their way - fuck it. They aren't voting all or they are throwing away their vote on someone like that idiot Jill Stein. Susan Sarandon, who is clearly not the smartest person even on her best day, is clearly an example of this mentality, but also holds true of millennials and women who can't stand the idea of another woman with authority.

by Anonymousreply 98April 6, 2017 11:19 PM

[quote]The fact that she's not motivated to do anything after losing shows that she didn't have any real passion be in politics other than to add the title of president to her record.

I don't see it that way. I think it is wise of her to stay away. The political situation is extremely chaotic right now. There is a lot of regrouping happening in the Democratic party, it's not something she should be involved with at the moment. Also, Clinton commenting on what is going on in the WH would be read as her being a sore loser.

And if the woman needed to take half a year off to recover from the loss, I don't take it against her. At all.

by Anonymousreply 99April 6, 2017 11:21 PM

R78 has the mind of a child...

The original point was about experience across many platforms of the government.

Regardless of time served, the web of connections made by a man who was:

WWII vet

Congressman

Ambassador to China

CIA Director

2 term Vice President

Is unparalleled by anyone in modern times.

It made him connected in a way that prepped him for the job better than anyone else, especially the cankled one.

The fact he was a shitty president speaks volumes about the importance of being the 'most qualified' candidate...

by Anonymousreply 100April 6, 2017 11:26 PM

And that's not even including his deep web of family connections on the backwaters...

by Anonymousreply 101April 6, 2017 11:27 PM

R94, well, it seems pretty clear -- maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt it -- that you don't know anything about guns and don't want to, and that this goes for gun owners. I see little point in trying to change any of that. Totally futile.

But there is one aspect that I can possibly change, which is your perception of public opinion. Pew Research, which is hardly wingnut central, has been surveying on guns and gun control for 20+ years. The results don't pull entirely in one direction, because Americans hardly ever do on any issue. But there's no question that gun control has become a lot less popular in this country. The exceptions would be in the Northeast and the West Coast, and among liberals.

In every other region, and among every other group, "gun rights" have gained while "gun control" has lost. I think the Democratic Party made a truly gigantic mistake when it allowed Michael Bloomberg to dictate the party's gun control platform in exchange for his money.

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by Anonymousreply 102April 6, 2017 11:28 PM

Nonsense R102. The proportion of Americans who own guns keeps going down. That's the point. Gun control is overwhelmingly popular, and every "poll" showing something else is faked. It's bullshit. Ameicans are NOT resigned to 50,000 deaths every year and 400,000 injuries as "collateral damage" as the price for the psychotic immoral fantasies of these morons.

by Anonymousreply 103April 6, 2017 11:34 PM

[quote] 50,000 deaths every year and 400,000 injuries

Are you talking about Brazil or Venezuela?

by Anonymousreply 104April 6, 2017 11:37 PM

Even Dukakis at least continued to be governor for several more years after his humiliating defeat. Kerry stayed in the Senate and became Secretary of State. Hillary wandered in the woods.

by Anonymousreply 105April 6, 2017 11:39 PM

R94, we're moving from Seattle out to 40 acres in the countryside near the Columbia River. Our new neighbor and land seller told me that he started out liking Bernie Sanders, but wound up voting for Trump because of the 2nd amendment. You can laugh and scoff all you want, but he wasn't the only one.

The bitch still won WA State, but I grew up in Wisconsin and worked in Iowa, and if there's one thing the DL doesn't comprehend is that deer hunting is pretty much a secular religion throughout the Upper Midwest. If there's one thing that I really think made the difference in Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio, I think the D position on gun control was it. By the way, did anyone here notice that Trump came within 1.5% in Minnesota, also a big deer hunting state?

While no one at the DL was looking in the last 10 years, about 10 states went to permitless concealed carry, aka "constitutional carry," a term I have never liked. 20%-25% of gun owners are Democrats. That's 10 million to 15 million adults. You want to write them off? Okey doke, then. See how many elections you win.

by Anonymousreply 106April 6, 2017 11:40 PM

R104, do you actually want to have a conversation about real numbers? I'm very well equipped to do that, but I suspect that you don't actually give a shit, and that it won't matter one bit when I prove just how far off you are.

by Anonymousreply 107April 6, 2017 11:43 PM

Describe what you think the "D position on gun control" is, because I dont think you have the vaguest idea.

by Anonymousreply 108April 6, 2017 11:44 PM

R108 Here's what I think the D position is. Not that they'll come right out and say so.

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by Anonymousreply 109April 6, 2017 11:49 PM

So you think the "D Position" is what you imagine it to be rather than what it is.

That pretty much says everything we need to know about you.

by Anonymousreply 110April 6, 2017 11:52 PM

[quote] Hillary wandered in the woods.

Probably searching for herbs

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by Anonymousreply 111April 6, 2017 11:54 PM

Whoever did the bong GIFS is an artiste.

by Anonymousreply 112April 6, 2017 11:59 PM

It's hilarious to make jokes about Clinton as Trump destroys the country and the planet.

That'll teach those bitches and cunts to stay in their place.

by Anonymousreply 113April 7, 2017 12:01 AM

R113 is foaming at the mouth

by Anonymousreply 114April 7, 2017 12:02 AM

In my pantsuit and cankles, right r114? You are hilarious!

by Anonymousreply 115April 7, 2017 12:06 AM

R110, or may this. It's never all at once, but that's what they are aiming for. If you want me to talk in detail about D proposals and enactments, I can do it, but I'm not sure that there's any point.

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by Anonymousreply 116April 7, 2017 12:07 AM

No, there is no point since you are just making shit up.

by Anonymousreply 117April 7, 2017 12:08 AM

The cankles on R115 could feed night #1 of an Oprah/Lee Daniels slumber party

by Anonymousreply 118April 7, 2017 12:09 AM

It's so awesome to have Trump as president instead of Clinton. It's just winning after winning.

Which way to the gas chambers?

by Anonymousreply 119April 7, 2017 12:11 AM

Blame the old broad for your troubles.

It's her entitlement that ushered in the era of trump.

I wonder if she & Bubba still giggle about that wknd they talked the Donald into running...

by Anonymousreply 120April 7, 2017 12:14 AM

R117, I don't make shit up.

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by Anonymousreply 121April 7, 2017 12:17 AM

Hey, R83, learn the difference between an opinion piece and an actual political position taken by an actual political party.

by Anonymousreply 122April 7, 2017 12:19 AM

R122, the Democrats are dominated by liberals, and liberals trot out their proposals in those places. But if you want to get closer to the policy makers, here's an example. Look, the liberals who run the Democratic party are very hostile to guns and gun owners, and all of us know it.

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by Anonymousreply 123April 7, 2017 12:23 AM

Another example, policy-wise

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by Anonymousreply 124April 7, 2017 12:24 AM

Again, there is a difference between one person's opinion and the position of that person's party.

And guns.com is probably not the best source for what Dems think about guns.

by Anonymousreply 125April 7, 2017 12:25 AM

Linking to a headline that says, "This crazed politicians...," makes me seriously question your source and your mental health.

by Anonymousreply 126April 7, 2017 12:26 AM

R125, it's an excellent source. What about the attorney general in Massachusetts? Her craziness will fly there, but not elsewhere in America.

by Anonymousreply 127April 7, 2017 12:27 AM

By the way, "Bearing Arms" did a painstaking, frame-by-frame analysis of the shooting of LaVoy Finicum, the nutcase who was part of the occupation of the HQ at Oregon's Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in 2016. The wingnutt crazies were going on and on about how Finicum was murdered, but "Bearing Arms" called it "suicide by cop," documented exactly how and why.

Those people will forget more than you will ever know about guns, R126. But, as I have already stated in this thread, it's futile to have a conversation about guns with a liberal.

by Anonymousreply 128April 7, 2017 12:32 AM

Here's when she lost. She let her mask drop for a minute or so. Everybody hated her again.

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by Anonymousreply 129April 7, 2017 12:32 AM

The attorney general enforced an existing law. Gun-makers broke the law by creating copycats of assault weapons, which was explicitly prohibited in the law. None of this had anything to do with taking guns from hunters or prohibiting guns reasonably intended for self-defense.

And yes, it is impossible to have conversations with people who live in the real world when you live in the world of your imagination where the position of Democrats is what you imagine it to be rather than what it is.

by Anonymousreply 130April 7, 2017 12:35 AM

R125, both Obama and Hillary Clinton praised Australia's gun confiscation effort. And they, plus most Democrats, promoted the denial of gun purchase ability to anyone on the federal no-fly list, which even the ACLU opposes. I think it's very fair to believe that the Democratic Party is institutionally anti-second amendment, and pro-gun confiscation.

R130, you don't even know what an "assault weapon" is. Worse than that, you don't want to know. Again, the Democrats have been working very hard to gain the distrust of gun owners, 20%-25% of whom are Democrats. And dropping.

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by Anonymousreply 131April 7, 2017 12:38 AM

She is so shrill

by Anonymousreply 132April 7, 2017 12:39 AM

I hope that somewhere the leaders of the Democratic Party are having a substantial, worthwhile analysis of their complete failure in the election of November 2016. Because it was a massacre, across the board. Not just the election for POTUS. I doubt that they are, however, since from what I am seeing from real progressive sites on Youtube, the Dems keep repeating the same "reasons" for Clinton's loss, over and over. Just like the posters here repeating it over and over, and flinging accusations of "troll" or "Russian" to any of the few posters who have a different point of view. Those that refuse to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

Try to see the election of Barack Obama through a different lens. Obama was an "other". Yes, he belonged to the Democratic Party, but he had very little history in Washington and what government history there was was unremarkable. He was black, but "different" as he did not share the history of most of African Americans. He was a candidate that most people respected and even if they chose to vote for the GOP candidate, they respected the Democratic candidate and could feel positive that the color barrier had been broken for the highest office. He did not come across as the "same old same old".

(Yes, yes, I know that there were some people who would never view him positively because he was black, but there will always be people who vote for negative reasons. They are not the majority. )

Unfortunately, the eight years of Obama, while implementing social changes liked by DL and the left leaning members of the voting public, did not show the vast majority of voters the he was unlike those other "insider" politicians who are so clearly beholding to the moneyed interests.

Want proof? Answer this. Why when Obama first became President, with the power of the Justice Department and the Congress supporting him, did he not use that power to punish the bankers who caused a financial crisis that was a catastrophe across the planet? Were there any penalties to those who caused that crisis? Did he use the power he had which was a part of the "bailout" to fire the heads of those banks? No, he did not. Were there any arrests? Perp walks? Indictments? Trials? Asset Confiscation? No, not one.

A golden opportunity for him to show which side he was on. And he did show us, by doing nothing to the perpetrators, allowing average Americans to sink lower and lower on the economic ladder while those who caused their pain went merrily on their way.

So, eight years pass, and in the height of idiocy, the Democrats nominate the complete insider with a list of negatives well known to posters here.

So, having given Obama 2 bites of the apple and finding themselves no better off, they look at Trump (an "other" if there ever was one), knowing full well that he is a charlatan and con man. While DL posters like to think that Trump voters actually believed him, I think a substantial number of them did not.

But, and here is the key point, THEY DID NOT TRUST HILLARY CLINTON either.

Have DL posters forgotten the picture (was it a magazine cover) showing a voter holding their nose to indicate a distaste (a mild term that does not come close to the real feeling) at both of the POTUS candidates?

So, in disgust, a lot of people went into the voting booth, raised their middle finger to the Dems, the GOP, Hillary, Bill, Washington, the bankers, Wall Street, the mainstream media, the pollsters, etc. and pulled that lever.

And so we find ourselves here. Dems refuse to see what really happened. The angry people who voted for Trump will continue to be angry with the same groups of people until they see substantial indications that the political - Wall Street tether is broken.

If, in 4 years, things are worse, it is foolhardy to think that the voting public will turn back to the Democrats unless there are significant indications that the Wall Street ties are abandoned and some more attention is paid to the middle and working class. Without that, we might get even worse next time.

by Anonymousreply 133April 7, 2017 12:39 AM

Hillary won Washington quite handily R106, and you can't believe what people tell you because they don't like to say that racism was the real defining factor. Yes, people who live near bears like to have guns, but most gun owners are suburbanites who dream of killing their neighbors and employers instead of solving problems through discussion, persuasion, and compromise. Gun rights were never for hunters, blacks didn't have them in the original constitution, and it was thought a citizen militia was less dangerous than a standing army. But nobody has lifted a finger to touch the standing army and Trump intends to further bloat it. Talking about hunters and gun rights is like talking about the transgender vote. It's real but it has no significance, as the hunters are people who would vote on racism anyway.

by Anonymousreply 134April 7, 2017 12:40 AM

R130, the AR-15 is the most popular rifle in America, and is a superb self-defense weapon. One was just used in Oklahoma to kill three home invaders.

And yes, R134, the bitch won WA State, because most of the population is in Puget Sound. But you are completely unfamilar with the details of guns, and oblivious to the politics outside of your coastal enclaves.

by Anonymousreply 135April 7, 2017 12:42 AM

"the bitch won WA state"

No sexism there. Nope.

Calling a buyback program "confiscation" exposes your complete inability to discuss anything in reality.

by Anonymousreply 136April 7, 2017 12:43 AM

Australia required people to turn them in. That's confiscation. I have no objection to voluntary buybacks. I find them amusing.

And yes, Hillary was and is a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 137April 7, 2017 12:45 AM

She will forvever be in the be history books as the first woman to win the the popular vote in the American presidency.

She should be known as "The Popular-Elect President".

by Anonymousreply 138April 7, 2017 12:47 AM

R134, my neighbor-to-be who first supported Sanders then Trump is a hunter, but has a handgun for home protection. This is common. In WA State, some insane Democratic bitch on the west side of the mountains wanted to insert a requirement into state law that would've forced homeowners to flee their own houses rather than shoot an intruder.

R138, the bitch lost. We don't direct-elect presidents. If you don't like the electoral college, then you and your friends try to amend the constitution. And good luck with that, by the way.

by Anonymousreply 139April 7, 2017 12:49 AM

Nobody has a handgun for "home protection." As I said earlier, it is to support the fantasy of killing other people instead of dealing with them. It is anti-citizenship and completely opposite the intent of the Second Amendment.

by Anonymousreply 140April 7, 2017 1:27 AM

Talk about making shit up

by Anonymousreply 141April 7, 2017 1:28 AM

R7, tired of scandal, even if unwarranted? Then let's start locking people up, including you, based on specious gossip. I can't stand morons like you, steeped in hypocrisy and too stupid to even realize it.

by Anonymousreply 142April 7, 2017 1:35 AM

R140, at bare minimum, there are about 125,000 cases of armed self defense every year, and probably a lot more than that. About 5% involve shits fired. The rest are a matter of brandishing the firearm, which would have no credibility if armed self defense was illegal. So: You want to take away the ancient common law right of self defense?

by Anonymousreply 143April 7, 2017 1:42 AM

Those Russian internet moles are in Datalounge...stirring up shit, spreading propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 144April 7, 2017 1:43 AM

People don't hate her because she has a cunt. They hate her because she is a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 145April 7, 2017 1:45 AM

Bingo, R145

by Anonymousreply 146April 7, 2017 1:47 AM

The funniest part is how she sent elevenseventybillion dollars and still got beat when Trump ran a dollar store campaign.

by Anonymousreply 147April 7, 2017 1:50 AM

[quote]She will forever be in the be history books as the first woman to win the the popular vote in the American presidency.

So she'll get one sentence more than Samuel J. Tilden?

by Anonymousreply 148April 7, 2017 2:32 AM

One dense (female) pundit said basically, "It couldn't have been misogyny when women didn't vote for her either".

Like women can't be woman-haters?

by Anonymousreply 149April 7, 2017 3:14 AM

There are plenty of female officeholders. Hillary's problem is that she's a lying, corrupt, inauthentic bitch who never gave anyone a reason to vote for her. "It's my turn" and "I don't have a dick" weren't enough.

by Anonymousreply 150April 7, 2017 3:20 AM

[quote] The original point was about experience across many platforms of the government. Regardless of time served

R100, you're dead wrong. It absolutely does matter whether you served as a bench warmer or actually made the decisions and ran the agency - it matters whether you even served long enough to know your job. Washington is full of rung climbers who stay just long enough to put another tick on their resume. That type of "experience" impresses no one but the gullible.

by Anonymousreply 151April 7, 2017 3:46 AM

All about fattening that Rolodex

That's what mattered most

You don't understand the corridors of power

by Anonymousreply 152April 7, 2017 3:50 AM

It's the gullible who think that 8 years of First Lady is better prep than 18 months running the CIA

by Anonymousreply 153April 7, 2017 3:56 AM

[quote] Even Dukakis at least continued to be governor for several more years after his humiliating defeat. Kerry stayed in the Senate and became Secretary of State. Hillary wandered in the woods.

If she had done anything aside from "wondering in the woods" you'd be saying that she is a power hungry cunt.

You fucking asshole.

by Anonymousreply 154April 7, 2017 4:30 AM

[quote]There are plenty of female officeholders. Hillary's problem is that she's a lying, corrupt, inauthentic bitch who never gave anyone a reason to vote for her. "It's my turn" and "I don't have a dick" weren't enough.

YOUR Hillary Clinton problem lies in the fact that she is smarter, more successful, more famous person that you will ever be, and that she makes more in a month that you make in a decade. You are a nobody, dear. And you will always be a nobody. But that's not Clinton's problem.

by Anonymousreply 155April 7, 2017 4:34 AM

R154, she was (is still?) a lying, corrupt, entitled, smug, arrogant, power-hungry cunt. Does that help?

by Anonymousreply 156April 7, 2017 4:35 AM

"he makes more in a month that you make in a decade."

And all that while spending a lifetime as a "public servant". Tells you all you need to know about the cunt.

by Anonymousreply 157April 7, 2017 12:08 PM

I'm seriously perplexed why some men are so misogynist. I guess it's just another male mental disorder...to go along with all their violence & pedophilia.

It's a man's world which is why it sucks so much.

Balancing it with female energy & feminine power would benefit all of us, not just women, children, gays and POC.

I guess men just have a hate gene...and it's very poweful, and they don't want to let it go.

I kinda feel sorry for the misogynists. They must suffer tremendously...

And they will suffer even more under Trump...and the inevitable backlash against straight, white men ruling the world.

You've wreaked enough havoc. We are finally done with you. The misogynists will respond with violence, as they always do. Just in the last few weeks in my city, two different men murdered the mothers of their own children. But your days of male supremacy are over.

Hillary Clinton got 3M more votes than Trump...despite Comey, Sanders and Russia. So suck on that. Trump is illegitimate, and will be the end of patriarchy. Ha ha!

by Anonymousreply 158April 7, 2017 12:39 PM

Canks got issues

by Anonymousreply 159April 7, 2017 10:49 PM

Too bad the destruction doesn't seem to be complete. It'll be a blessed hour when she's cooling in her linens.

by Anonymousreply 160April 8, 2017 12:25 AM

It's because she's a woman. It's the reason her adversaries only respond with insults because they cannot rationalize their hate by arguing with facts. Their hate for her has no basis, and it kills them that we all know that.

by Anonymousreply 161April 8, 2017 12:32 AM

It doesn't kill us. She's the one wandering around to anyone who will have her explaining why she's a loser.

by Anonymousreply 162April 8, 2017 12:33 AM

R161, kind of like transwomen...aka men.

by Anonymousreply 163April 8, 2017 1:17 AM

Who hasn't she blamed? Daniel Day-Lewis?

by Anonymousreply 164April 23, 2018 5:36 PM
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