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French Pres Candidate Emmanuel Macron Says There is No Such Thing as French Culture

«Il n’y a pas une culture française» : Emmanuel Macron choque en France

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by Anonymousreply 70February 18, 2017 2:22 AM

How is it gay news or gay interest????

by Anonymousreply 1February 17, 2017 12:09 PM

1. The French Election is important and being discussed on DL.; 2. His comment is meant to appeal to anti-gay bloc.

by Anonymousreply 2February 17, 2017 12:11 PM

This is EXACTLY was is driving voters to political parties that better serve their interests and sensibilities. It's just like London's Labour Mayor Khan stating that 'Terror Attacks ‘Part And Parcel Of Life In A Big City’, a real what the fuck attempt at redefinition.

by Anonymousreply 3February 17, 2017 12:24 PM

^^^ what is, not was^^^

by Anonymousreply 4February 17, 2017 12:26 PM

R2 I don't see how this appeal to the anti-gay. On the contrary the anti-gay believes in a Grand French Culture, Macron says french culture is diverse. So, it doesn't make sense.

by Anonymousreply 5February 17, 2017 12:27 PM

Is the correct translation that there is no ONE French culture or that there is no French culture, period?

by Anonymousreply 6February 17, 2017 12:46 PM

True, otherwise it would be "Il n'y a pas de culture française", not "il n'y a pas une culture française".

by Anonymousreply 7February 17, 2017 12:49 PM

R6 Both arrive at the same conclusion. That Louis Catorze, Versaille, Balzac, Zola, de Maupassant, Matisse, Monet, Manet etc. etc. etc. are exclusive, no longer appropriate and must be dismissed so as not to offend or exclude other cultures.

by Anonymousreply 8February 17, 2017 12:59 PM

R8 WTF?????? No one says they must be dismissed.

They're a huge part of french culture but french culture doesn't stop with them.

Why DL has become the Front national play ground?

by Anonymousreply 9February 17, 2017 1:02 PM

[quote]a real what the fuck attempt at redefinition.

That is what it is, it's brainwashing. They want you forget culture, the history of that culture, how that culture informs a nation, national sovereignty, culture and the arts.

Trudeau said something similar: "There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,” Trudeau said, concluding that he sees Canada as “the first post-national state.”

It is traitorous and should be recognized as such. And here is a picture he put on his mother's day tweet (it's his mother and his wife) - seems to be recognizing an identity there...

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by Anonymousreply 10February 17, 2017 1:06 PM

French culture, though, would by definition perforce include people who speak French. Who embrace French traditions (by which I don't mean religion, as even the native French have abandoned that), French ways of education, celebrations, cultural history.

France has been influenced not only by the Enlightenment but also by its years of colonization; thus, France is already a diversified society (mmmmm....couscous!).

But France is right to push back at those who wish to dominate, impose, change, and destroy what is.

by Anonymousreply 11February 17, 2017 1:10 PM

[quote]I don't see how this appeal to the anti-gay. On the contrary the anti-gay believes in a Grand French Culture, Macron says french culture is diverse. So, it doesn't make sense.

There may be some conservatives who believe in French culture, but there is are anti-gay power blocs that are being catered to with the no French culture remark - the globalists who want to destroy national sovereignty, and Islamists who want to promote Islam above everything else and have no interest in French or Western culture.

by Anonymousreply 12February 17, 2017 1:10 PM

"Globalists" are not anti-gay or anti french culture.

Those who are anti-gay are the right wing, the FN and the religious ones (christians, jewish and muslims).

Those are people who don't vote Macron anyway.

by Anonymousreply 13February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

Why is Russia wasting time posting on this site?

by Anonymousreply 14February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

[quote]and the religious ones (christians, jewish and muslims). Those are people who don't vote Macron anyway.

Uh, no. In England, France, Germany, Belgium, Muslims typically vote "Left" because it promotes the Muslim agenda. Macron has aptly illustrated that in his statement.

by Anonymousreply 15February 17, 2017 1:19 PM

There IS a French culture and I LOVE it. French cinema is world famous.

by Anonymousreply 16February 17, 2017 1:20 PM

Soon French culture will only consist of Tchaikowsky, Tolstoy and moi-mëme as shirtless heartthrob!

by Anonymousreply 17February 17, 2017 1:21 PM

R15 Wrong not since the gay marriage law. Studies show that muslim believers don't vote for the left wing anymore. Look at Kepel work about it.

Muslims are more likely not going to vote, than to vote for the left.

by Anonymousreply 18February 17, 2017 1:24 PM

Après avoir dit tout cela pourquoi ne suis-je pas 50 points d'avance que vous pourriez demander?

by Anonymousreply 19February 17, 2017 1:25 PM

Maybe the French will prove more receptive to launching my movie career and I won't have to sic wikileaks on them, like I was forced to do with the recalcitrant Sony nekulturny rabble.

by Anonymousreply 20February 17, 2017 1:27 PM

R19 Please don't use google translation, it doesn't mean anything.

by Anonymousreply 21February 17, 2017 1:29 PM

Trudeau and Macron do not mean the same thing. Macron means France is a diverse land of many cultures, which isn't strictly true as France was the first modern nation-state that really went in for cultural standardization at the center. In olden times, this would have been seen as essentially a populist, anti-Paris statement. The fact that it is being treated as though it were an endorsement of Muslim culture shows how inside-out things are in France right now.

Trudeau meant Canadians never saw themselves as Canadians, but as Quebecois, Acadians, British, etc. But Canada has been trying to impose a national identity through education for a couple generations now, and by default of something stronger it has become attached in the popular mind to "We're not like the USA." Since the USA is very obnoxious about its nationalism, this paradoxically means that to be a nationalist populist Canadian one has to insist one is not a nationalist! Odds bodkins! But it is not as artificial a statement as Macron's because the ambitious in Canada were never really convinced of Canadian difference as the French were. Yet in truth everyone from across the pond sees immediately that Canadians are North American to the core, but for some reason they won't admit to it, and everyone south of the border sees them as Uncle Fuckers!

by Anonymousreply 22February 17, 2017 1:39 PM

R18 93 Percent Of French Muslims Voted For Hollande (from Business Insider International 2012)

by Anonymousreply 23February 17, 2017 1:47 PM

True but it was before the gay marriage law.

by Anonymousreply 24February 17, 2017 1:52 PM

You see it was part of the myth of Empire, and why British allowed half of Jamaica to come to their isle. The myth of the French empire was that having ruled it since 1830 Algeria was an integral part of France. So when they had to get out, the door was left open not just for the whites (who by then were mostly Spanish and Italian since French people never had a burning desire to live in Africa) but for blacks also even though the French administration of Algeria had been profoundly racist.

by Anonymousreply 25February 17, 2017 2:01 PM

But, r24, same-sex marriage was in Hollande's manifesto, so Muslims would have known he was going to pass it.

In any case, it,was the monoculture French Catholics who most fervently campaigned against same-sex marriage.

Muslim-hater Le Pen has now apparently said she will abolish same-sex marriage.

by Anonymousreply 26February 17, 2017 2:13 PM

Muslims will vote for Le Pen and Fillon because they are both against same-sex marriage.

by Anonymousreply 27February 17, 2017 2:19 PM

They didn't vote for him for the gay marriage, at the time people barely spoke or debated about it.

by Anonymousreply 28February 17, 2017 2:20 PM

what an idiot!!!

by Anonymousreply 29February 17, 2017 2:32 PM

[quote]"Globalists" are not anti-gay or anti french culture. Those who are anti-gay are the right wing, the FN and the religious ones (christians, jewish and muslims).

The Globalists are promoting the Muslim religion and culture. They want to destroy French culture, and France's history and sovereignty. The Muslim culture is anti-gay. The Globalists are anti-gay because they cater to Islam.

by Anonymousreply 30February 17, 2017 2:55 PM

R14, Hillary wasn't a good candidate.

by Anonymousreply 31February 17, 2017 2:57 PM

93% Of French Muslims Voted For Hollande

93 % of French Muslims voted for the Socialist Party's Francois Hollande in the second round of the French election, La Vie reports.

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by Anonymousreply 32February 17, 2017 3:02 PM

R30 For Fuck sake no one is promoting muslim culture against french culture.

No one wants to replace french culture by muslim culture, whatever that means.

Get you head out of your ass.

by Anonymousreply 33February 17, 2017 3:17 PM

But R33 your globalist friends say there's no such thing as French culture

by Anonymousreply 34February 17, 2017 3:19 PM

They say that french culture is diverse, not that french culture doesn't exist or that the great french authors, painters and musicians are not hugely important. They just say that french culture was and still is influenced by other cultures.

How weak and insecure you must be to believe someone can erase more than 2000 years of culture and history?

by Anonymousreply 35February 17, 2017 3:24 PM

There's a new Muslim Party, too

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by Anonymousreply 36February 17, 2017 3:30 PM

Macron means there's no such thing as what we see depicted in "Amelie": the cliches of accordions, berets, gamines on bicycles, that kind of shit.

by Anonymousreply 37February 17, 2017 3:32 PM

Another graduate from the school of Rothschilds

by Anonymousreply 38February 17, 2017 3:33 PM

My, my, you're desperate R36 . Citing a 2 years old article about a political party which died since;

by Anonymousreply 39February 17, 2017 3:33 PM

Well, they can vote for Macron and the Socialists, it's the same thing. They don't need another party.

by Anonymousreply 40February 17, 2017 3:35 PM

Pompidou was also working for the Rotschild bank and no one said he betrayed France.

The worst thing about Pompidou was his shitty taste in art, and it was mostly his wife's taste.

by Anonymousreply 41February 17, 2017 3:36 PM

Every culture is influenced by other cultures. Duh! But his play with words is specious. And Macron wasn't just talking about French clichés.

This is just stupid globalist nonsense. Playing with words.

by Anonymousreply 42February 17, 2017 3:37 PM

R33 has obviously had his head up HIS ass and completely missed France's on-going war with Muslims who demand their culture, values and sensibilities prevail over local values.

by Anonymousreply 43February 17, 2017 3:38 PM

Tout le monde s'étonne, et pourtant Emmanuel Macron ne fait qu'exprimer les idées dans lesquelles souhaitent nous noyer les élites déracinées, celles qui ne supportent pas les Nations parce qu'elles n'en ont guère.

by Anonymousreply 44February 17, 2017 3:39 PM

R43 Whatever..... have you even put one foot in France in your life???? Or are you just repeating breitbart and foxnews infos?

by Anonymousreply 45February 17, 2017 3:45 PM

R45 Been there more times and far longer than you have, head up your ass.

by Anonymousreply 46February 17, 2017 3:48 PM

What about this Muslim party, does it still exist? France’s Turkish-Muslim Equality and Justice Party (PEJ) ?

by Anonymousreply 47February 17, 2017 3:48 PM

R46 I'm french dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 48February 17, 2017 3:49 PM

Requiem

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by Anonymousreply 49February 17, 2017 3:50 PM

R47 If it still exists it's so small that it doesn't appear on polls.

by Anonymousreply 50February 17, 2017 3:50 PM

The Parti Egalite Justice (the people's party) went tits up and is no longer listed among French political parties.

by Anonymousreply 51February 17, 2017 3:55 PM

Idiot. There absolutely is one. I don't care what ethnicity, race or religion someone is. People should be allowed to practice their religions in their home/places of worship and we should respect each others beliefs, but the state has its policies and culture and if you can't respect that fact, get out.

by Anonymousreply 52February 17, 2017 3:55 PM

R48 of course you are, head up your ass. And I'm la reine de belges.

by Anonymousreply 53February 17, 2017 3:58 PM

The ultimate goal of globalization and neoliberalism.

by Anonymousreply 54February 17, 2017 4:01 PM

How French of him

by Anonymousreply 55February 17, 2017 4:02 PM

R53 La reine des Belges, abruti.

by Anonymousreply 56February 17, 2017 4:09 PM

La reine des beignes

by Anonymousreply 57February 17, 2017 4:11 PM

La reine des beignes rules mainly on the plains.

by Anonymousreply 58February 17, 2017 4:12 PM

[2012] Paris's famed Louvre museum on Saturday opened to the public a new wing of Islamic art. Costing nearly 100 million euros ($131 million), it is funded by the French government and supported by handsome endowments from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kuwait, Oman and Azerbaijan.

by Anonymousreply 59February 17, 2017 4:12 PM

R59 What is Islamic art? Such a regressive culture can't allow for much creativity.

by Anonymousreply 60February 17, 2017 4:15 PM

[quote]Islamic art

Hahaha! that's a good one!

by Anonymousreply 61February 17, 2017 4:21 PM

R60 Careful your stupidity is showing.....

Say what you want about today's Islam but it gave us a lot of masterpieces.

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by Anonymousreply 62February 17, 2017 4:23 PM

that's the least impressive collection of art I've ever seen

by Anonymousreply 63February 17, 2017 4:25 PM

R62 Was that sarcasm? I'd take western art over it any day.

by Anonymousreply 64February 17, 2017 4:27 PM

Excellent book about Muslim art and Islam's attitude toward art: Orhan Pamuk's My Name is Red.

by Anonymousreply 65February 17, 2017 4:37 PM

R65 People here will tell you that Pamuk is a shit author and can't write good books cause he's turkish.

by Anonymousreply 66February 17, 2017 4:49 PM

...funded by the French government and supported by handsome endowments from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kuwait, Oman and Azerbaijan.

by Anonymousreply 67February 17, 2017 5:41 PM

R67 They've been funding universities all over the world too.

by Anonymousreply 68February 17, 2017 5:43 PM

Yes, and the dolts repeat what they want.

by Anonymousreply 69February 17, 2017 6:57 PM

Tiles.

by Anonymousreply 70February 18, 2017 2:22 AM
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