«Il n’y a pas une culture française» : Emmanuel Macron choque en France
French Pres Candidate Emmanuel Macron Says There is No Such Thing as French Culture
|by Anonymous||reply 70||February 18, 2017 3:22 AM|
How is it gay news or gay interest????
|by Anonymous||reply 1||February 17, 2017 1:09 PM|
1. The French Election is important and being discussed on DL.; 2. His comment is meant to appeal to anti-gay bloc.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||February 17, 2017 1:11 PM|
This is EXACTLY was is driving voters to political parties that better serve their interests and sensibilities. It's just like London's Labour Mayor Khan stating that 'Terror Attacks ‘Part And Parcel Of Life In A Big City’, a real what the fuck attempt at redefinition.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||February 17, 2017 1:24 PM|
^^^ what is, not was^^^
|by Anonymous||reply 4||February 17, 2017 1:26 PM|
R2 I don't see how this appeal to the anti-gay. On the contrary the anti-gay believes in a Grand French Culture, Macron says french culture is diverse. So, it doesn't make sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||February 17, 2017 1:27 PM|
Is the correct translation that there is no ONE French culture or that there is no French culture, period?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||February 17, 2017 1:46 PM|
True, otherwise it would be "Il n'y a pas de culture française", not "il n'y a pas une culture française".
|by Anonymous||reply 7||February 17, 2017 1:49 PM|
R6 Both arrive at the same conclusion. That Louis Catorze, Versaille, Balzac, Zola, de Maupassant, Matisse, Monet, Manet etc. etc. etc. are exclusive, no longer appropriate and must be dismissed so as not to offend or exclude other cultures.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||February 17, 2017 1:59 PM|
R8 WTF?????? No one says they must be dismissed.
They're a huge part of french culture but french culture doesn't stop with them.
Why DL has become the Front national play ground?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||February 17, 2017 2:02 PM|
[quote]a real what the fuck attempt at redefinition.
That is what it is, it's brainwashing. They want you forget culture, the history of that culture, how that culture informs a nation, national sovereignty, culture and the arts.
Trudeau said something similar: "There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,” Trudeau said, concluding that he sees Canada as “the first post-national state.”
It is traitorous and should be recognized as such. And here is a picture he put on his mother's day tweet (it's his mother and his wife) - seems to be recognizing an identity there...
|by Anonymous||reply 10||February 17, 2017 2:06 PM|
French culture, though, would by definition perforce include people who speak French. Who embrace French traditions (by which I don't mean religion, as even the native French have abandoned that), French ways of education, celebrations, cultural history.
France has been influenced not only by the Enlightenment but also by its years of colonization; thus, France is already a diversified society (mmmmm....couscous!).
But France is right to push back at those who wish to dominate, impose, change, and destroy what is.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||February 17, 2017 2:10 PM|
[quote]I don't see how this appeal to the anti-gay. On the contrary the anti-gay believes in a Grand French Culture, Macron says french culture is diverse. So, it doesn't make sense.
There may be some conservatives who believe in French culture, but there is are anti-gay power blocs that are being catered to with the no French culture remark - the globalists who want to destroy national sovereignty, and Islamists who want to promote Islam above everything else and have no interest in French or Western culture.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||February 17, 2017 2:10 PM|
"Globalists" are not anti-gay or anti french culture.
Those who are anti-gay are the right wing, the FN and the religious ones (christians, jewish and muslims).
Those are people who don't vote Macron anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||February 17, 2017 2:16 PM|
Why is Russia wasting time posting on this site?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||February 17, 2017 2:16 PM|
[quote]and the religious ones (christians, jewish and muslims). Those are people who don't vote Macron anyway.
Uh, no. In England, France, Germany, Belgium, Muslims typically vote "Left" because it promotes the Muslim agenda. Macron has aptly illustrated that in his statement.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||February 17, 2017 2:19 PM|
There IS a French culture and I LOVE it. French cinema is world famous.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||February 17, 2017 2:20 PM|
Soon French culture will only consist of Tchaikowsky, Tolstoy and moi-mëme as shirtless heartthrob!
|by Anonymous||reply 17||February 17, 2017 2:21 PM|
R15 Wrong not since the gay marriage law. Studies show that muslim believers don't vote for the left wing anymore. Look at Kepel work about it.
Muslims are more likely not going to vote, than to vote for the left.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||February 17, 2017 2:24 PM|
Après avoir dit tout cela pourquoi ne suis-je pas 50 points d'avance que vous pourriez demander?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||February 17, 2017 2:25 PM|
Maybe the French will prove more receptive to launching my movie career and I won't have to sic wikileaks on them, like I was forced to do with the recalcitrant Sony nekulturny rabble.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||February 17, 2017 2:27 PM|
R19 Please don't use google translation, it doesn't mean anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||February 17, 2017 2:29 PM|
Trudeau and Macron do not mean the same thing. Macron means France is a diverse land of many cultures, which isn't strictly true as France was the first modern nation-state that really went in for cultural standardization at the center. In olden times, this would have been seen as essentially a populist, anti-Paris statement. The fact that it is being treated as though it were an endorsement of Muslim culture shows how inside-out things are in France right now.
Trudeau meant Canadians never saw themselves as Canadians, but as Quebecois, Acadians, British, etc. But Canada has been trying to impose a national identity through education for a couple generations now, and by default of something stronger it has become attached in the popular mind to "We're not like the USA." Since the USA is very obnoxious about its nationalism, this paradoxically means that to be a nationalist populist Canadian one has to insist one is not a nationalist! Odds bodkins! But it is not as artificial a statement as Macron's because the ambitious in Canada were never really convinced of Canadian difference as the French were. Yet in truth everyone from across the pond sees immediately that Canadians are North American to the core, but for some reason they won't admit to it, and everyone south of the border sees them as Uncle Fuckers!
|by Anonymous||reply 22||February 17, 2017 2:39 PM|
R18 93 Percent Of French Muslims Voted For Hollande (from Business Insider International 2012)
|by Anonymous||reply 23||February 17, 2017 2:47 PM|
True but it was before the gay marriage law.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||February 17, 2017 2:52 PM|
You see it was part of the myth of Empire, and why British allowed half of Jamaica to come to their isle. The myth of the French empire was that having ruled it since 1830 Algeria was an integral part of France. So when they had to get out, the door was left open not just for the whites (who by then were mostly Spanish and Italian since French people never had a burning desire to live in Africa) but for blacks also even though the French administration of Algeria had been profoundly racist.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||February 17, 2017 3:01 PM|
But, r24, same-sex marriage was in Hollande's manifesto, so Muslims would have known he was going to pass it.
In any case, it,was the monoculture French Catholics who most fervently campaigned against same-sex marriage.
Muslim-hater Le Pen has now apparently said she will abolish same-sex marriage.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||February 17, 2017 3:13 PM|
Muslims will vote for Le Pen and Fillon because they are both against same-sex marriage.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||February 17, 2017 3:19 PM|
They didn't vote for him for the gay marriage, at the time people barely spoke or debated about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||February 17, 2017 3:20 PM|
what an idiot!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 29||February 17, 2017 3:32 PM|
[quote]"Globalists" are not anti-gay or anti french culture. Those who are anti-gay are the right wing, the FN and the religious ones (christians, jewish and muslims).
The Globalists are promoting the Muslim religion and culture. They want to destroy French culture, and France's history and sovereignty. The Muslim culture is anti-gay. The Globalists are anti-gay because they cater to Islam.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||February 17, 2017 3:55 PM|
R14, Hillary wasn't a good candidate.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||February 17, 2017 3:57 PM|
93% Of French Muslims Voted For Hollande
93 % of French Muslims voted for the Socialist Party's Francois Hollande in the second round of the French election, La Vie reports.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||February 17, 2017 4:02 PM|
R30 For Fuck sake no one is promoting muslim culture against french culture.
No one wants to replace french culture by muslim culture, whatever that means.
Get you head out of your ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||February 17, 2017 4:17 PM|
But R33 your globalist friends say there's no such thing as French culture
|by Anonymous||reply 34||February 17, 2017 4:19 PM|
They say that french culture is diverse, not that french culture doesn't exist or that the great french authors, painters and musicians are not hugely important. They just say that french culture was and still is influenced by other cultures.
How weak and insecure you must be to believe someone can erase more than 2000 years of culture and history?
|by Anonymous||reply 35||February 17, 2017 4:24 PM|
There's a new Muslim Party, too
|by Anonymous||reply 36||February 17, 2017 4:30 PM|
Macron means there's no such thing as what we see depicted in "Amelie": the cliches of accordions, berets, gamines on bicycles, that kind of shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||February 17, 2017 4:32 PM|
Another graduate from the school of Rothschilds
|by Anonymous||reply 38||February 17, 2017 4:33 PM|
My, my, you're desperate R36 . Citing a 2 years old article about a political party which died since;
|by Anonymous||reply 39||February 17, 2017 4:33 PM|
Well, they can vote for Macron and the Socialists, it's the same thing. They don't need another party.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||February 17, 2017 4:35 PM|
Pompidou was also working for the Rotschild bank and no one said he betrayed France.
The worst thing about Pompidou was his shitty taste in art, and it was mostly his wife's taste.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||February 17, 2017 4:36 PM|
Every culture is influenced by other cultures. Duh! But his play with words is specious. And Macron wasn't just talking about French clichés.
This is just stupid globalist nonsense. Playing with words.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||February 17, 2017 4:37 PM|
R33 has obviously had his head up HIS ass and completely missed France's on-going war with Muslims who demand their culture, values and sensibilities prevail over local values.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||February 17, 2017 4:38 PM|
Tout le monde s'étonne, et pourtant Emmanuel Macron ne fait qu'exprimer les idées dans lesquelles souhaitent nous noyer les élites déracinées, celles qui ne supportent pas les Nations parce qu'elles n'en ont guère.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||February 17, 2017 4:39 PM|
R43 Whatever..... have you even put one foot in France in your life???? Or are you just repeating breitbart and foxnews infos?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||February 17, 2017 4:45 PM|
R45 Been there more times and far longer than you have, head up your ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||February 17, 2017 4:48 PM|
What about this Muslim party, does it still exist? France’s Turkish-Muslim Equality and Justice Party (PEJ) ?
|by Anonymous||reply 47||February 17, 2017 4:48 PM|
R46 I'm french dumbass.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||February 17, 2017 4:49 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 49||February 17, 2017 4:50 PM|
R47 If it still exists it's so small that it doesn't appear on polls.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||February 17, 2017 4:50 PM|
The Parti Egalite Justice (the people's party) went tits up and is no longer listed among French political parties.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||February 17, 2017 4:55 PM|
Idiot. There absolutely is one. I don't care what ethnicity, race or religion someone is. People should be allowed to practice their religions in their home/places of worship and we should respect each others beliefs, but the state has its policies and culture and if you can't respect that fact, get out.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||February 17, 2017 4:55 PM|
R48 of course you are, head up your ass. And I'm la reine de belges.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||February 17, 2017 4:58 PM|
The ultimate goal of globalization and neoliberalism.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||February 17, 2017 5:01 PM|
How French of him
|by Anonymous||reply 55||February 17, 2017 5:02 PM|
R53 La reine des Belges, abruti.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||February 17, 2017 5:09 PM|
La reine des beignes
|by Anonymous||reply 57||February 17, 2017 5:11 PM|
La reine des beignes rules mainly on the plains.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||February 17, 2017 5:12 PM|
 Paris's famed Louvre museum on Saturday opened to the public a new wing of Islamic art. Costing nearly 100 million euros ($131 million), it is funded by the French government and supported by handsome endowments from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kuwait, Oman and Azerbaijan.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||February 17, 2017 5:12 PM|
R59 What is Islamic art? Such a regressive culture can't allow for much creativity.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||February 17, 2017 5:15 PM|
Hahaha! that's a good one!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||February 17, 2017 5:21 PM|
R60 Careful your stupidity is showing.....
Say what you want about today's Islam but it gave us a lot of masterpieces.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||February 17, 2017 5:23 PM|
that's the least impressive collection of art I've ever seen
|by Anonymous||reply 63||February 17, 2017 5:25 PM|
R62 Was that sarcasm? I'd take western art over it any day.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||February 17, 2017 5:27 PM|
Excellent book about Muslim art and Islam's attitude toward art: Orhan Pamuk's My Name is Red.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||February 17, 2017 5:37 PM|
R65 People here will tell you that Pamuk is a shit author and can't write good books cause he's turkish.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||February 17, 2017 5:49 PM|
...funded by the French government and supported by handsome endowments from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kuwait, Oman and Azerbaijan.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||February 17, 2017 6:41 PM|
R67 They've been funding universities all over the world too.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||February 17, 2017 6:43 PM|
Yes, and the dolts repeat what they want.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||February 17, 2017 7:57 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 70||February 18, 2017 3:22 AM|