Now that the Trump administration will not defend bathroom rights for trans students...

Op, you didn't specify in your poll which one was the mentally unstable, deluded man - Trump or Jenner?

Oh. Look. Another Trump thread.

Re-read it again, R1:

[quote]DL poll: After the Trump administration stated it won't defend bathroom rules for trans students, is Caitlyn Jenner...

While campaigning Trump said transgender people were welcome in his hotels and could use the bathroom of the gender they identify with R2. Jenner defended Trump and said he is for LGBT people which clearly he is not. The puppet in chief is breaking every campaign promise he has made so far.

Bruce Jenner ignored his four kids from his first two marriages for the longest time because he didn't need them at the time.

Why would Jenner care about a bunch of trans kids going to public schools?

bruce Fucking jenner doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself. And if I never hear about this selfish cunt ever again, it will be too soon

Has Caitlyn ever admitted that she still smokes pole?

Is the vigilant anti-trans crew on here comprised as straight dudes?

'She' doesn't care. 'She' wont' really have to encounter that problem on a day-to-day basis because of 'her' wealth and fame.

He is rich. No one is going to deny rich Olympian Bruce Jenner anything. He will be able to shit in whatever bathroom he likes. And as a straight guy, he won't have to worry about being denied his rights. He is living the best of both worlds.

If Jenner had thought that he couldn't continue living life as a straight guy then he never would have come out as transgender. What would be the point?

Jenner is a wealthy white (famous) male.

He doesn't have any problems.

[quote]While campaigning Trump said transgender people were welcome in his hotels and could use the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

That's not exactly what he said r4. What he said was that CAITYLN JENNER was welcome to use the bathroom of his choice in any of Trump's hotels. Well, of course. Wealth and celebrity. Jenner could probably pee in a potted plant and the staff would discreetly look the other way. Your basic trans off the street? Good luck even being allowed in the door.

And, besides, wouldn't it be a conflict of interest for Trump to even own hotels?

Of course Trump isn't going to defend bathroom rights for trans students. Anyone who thought otherwise is living in a dream world. But that's pretty much a given with anyone who lives in the bubble of big money.

Oh. Look. Another "Oh. Look. Another Trump thread" inanity at R2.

You're wrong R13. "Dipping into a contentious issue by taking a stand many Republicans oppose, Mr. Trump told a town-hall-style event, hosted by NBC’s “Today” show at Rockefeller Center in Manhattan, that when people go to the restroom, they should “use the bathroom they feel is appropriate.”

But Trump made this statement in April 2016, R15. At the time, Trump was against employing pollsters.

But he changed his mind in May 2016 and finally hired one. After he hired the pollster, I don't believe he mentioned the T issue again.

His internal polling no doubt shows that many people who are fine with the GLB community are actually opposed to many of the goals of the T community. Trump knows a wedge issue when he sees one.

I am so fucking sick of all this trans shit I could puke. Ever since they started mouthing off, it's been nothing but trouble for all the rest of us. They shouldn't even be grouped together with LGB's. No commonality whatsoever. Jesus, their numbers are so infinitesimal, yet you'd think there were billions of them.

While it is true that it was in April of 2016 R16 there is nothing going forward where he changed his mind, well, until now.

NON-ISSUE!!!!!!

Trump backtracked on his positive April 2016 statement in May 2016 after Obama came out with the bathroom mandate:

Last month, Donald Trump said that transgender people should be able to “use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate.” Ted Cruz pounced on the remark, praying that this display of “New York values” would be enough to turn the GOP base against the mogul. He spent the final weeks of his campaign (essentially) shouting, “Donald Trump wants to make it easier for grown men to molest your daughters.”

And:

But on Thursday night, the transgender bathroom controversy returned to the national spotlight, as the Obama administration issued a directive instructing every public school in the country to allow its students to use the restroom that comports with their gender identity. The directive does not have the force of law, but it comes with the implicit threat that federal funding could be cut off to noncompliant schools.

Social conservatives were not pleased.

And:

[Trump] also came out against the measure — but in decidedly milder terms.

“I think this should be a states’ issue. It’s become a huge story and yet it affects — and everybody has to be protected, if it’s one person — but it’s a tiny, tiny portion of the population, and it’s become a massive story,” Trump told Fox & Friends. “I think there should be a states’ issue.”

As to the merits of the issue — whether it is appropriate for public-school students to select bathrooms on the basis of gender identity rather than biological sex — Trump refused to take a position.

“It’s a new issue,” Trump said. “Right now I just don’t have an opinion.”

R20 He sure has hell had a position before.

Yes, R21, Trump was originally pro-T on the bathroom issue in 2016 but he backtracked from it a month later. He then hired a pollster for the first time and stopped talking about it until just recently.

Chuck Todd recently admitted that the media downplayed the level of antagonism towards Hillary. Trump knew from his internal polling where Hillary support was weak and campaigned in states where he supposedly couldn't win while the media openly mocked him.

Trump knows the media has also downplayed the level of resistance towards the T issue. He will exploit this issue to his benefit.

The media is actually at fault here for constantly calling this a "LGBT" issue. That is so far from the truth. It has nothing to do with LGBs and just makes us look as contentious and crazy as them. It's a "trans rights" issue. People should really email CNN to correct their misleading headline, among others.

"LGBTQ groups plead with Trump to keep a pro-transgender Obama guidance for schools" - VOX

"Trump shows his true hand on LGBTQ rights" - CNN Tim Holbrook.

If I can find the authors' emails I will post them and also send a message. The CNN headline was even more misleading. Unnacceptable. However I think the authors are usually not responsible for the titles. Other suggestions welcome.

The problem, R23, is that LGB organizations DO support T to a fault, including the bathroom insanity. Most regular people who happen to be L, G or B don' t give a crap or oppose it, but the ones who run the organizations either are SJWs or still haven' t realized how harmful it can be.

R24 Any naysayers are shut out of these organizations. It's all Trans, all the time. Egale's latest "campaign":

Caitlyn will still find a way to blame Hillary.

02/21/17 update from Fox:

White House Press Sec. Sean Spicer on Tuesday told reporters the president would be “addressing” an Obama administration directive that said transgender students have the right to use bathrooms and locker rooms that align with their gender identity.

An Obama administration directive said the rights of transgender students are protected under Title IX. Several states have filed suit over the issue and a Supreme Court case is scheduled for arguments in March.

Spicer’s statements on Tuesday indicate that the Obama directive may be rescinded.

“Right now that’s an issue that the department of justice and department of education are addressing. I would tell you that — I think there will be further guidance coming from DOJ in particular with respect to not just the executive order but also the case that’s in front of the supreme court. The president has maintained for a long time that this is a state’s rights issue and not one for the federal government. So while there will be further guidance coming out on this, all you need to do is look at the president’s view for a long time that this is not something that the federal government should be involved in. This is a state’s rights issue.”

Link to R27 Fox story.

If anybody can use any bathroom at anytime why do we have single gender bathrooms?

Maybe because the trangender people of today don't really genuinely care about being inclusive and only care about their personal narcissistic needs and fetishes being catered to.

It's so important that a biological girl use the boys room in school as it is important that a boy who likes playing with Barbie use the girl's room.

Whoever is mind fucking these children should be put in jail.

As should the 'trans' people who trespass on other's spaces.

The trans community seems to think that if children are socialized at a young age to interact with trans children in single gender settings this will eventually lead to them growing up and forming a majority of people who will accept trans people as their desired gender.

This will then decrease the difficulty that trans people experience in the world - especially when trying to find a partner. It will encourage people who are attracted to trans people to openly pursue them but currently don't do so because of social stigma.

Though there are people who are attracted to trans people I think the trans community overestimates the number of them. There is wishful thinking that anyone who is interested in a man/woman could also potentially interest themselves in a transman/transwoman if they just had enough education about transgender people.

But the trans community seems to ignore that most people, often like trans people themselves, are attracted to biological sex and not gender identity.

R25 is correct. If you dissent even slightly from trans orthodoxy you will be booted from the leadership of any LGBT organization. One would never survive the onslaught of criticism to which he or she would be subjected if they deviated even a little bit.

Even though the trans community says they "just want to pee" the bathroom issue is about validation. Single-user unisex bathrooms don't offer opportunities for the validation that some trans people crave.

It's actually non-transgender people who "just want to pee". Most of them are not interested in being put in the awkward position of validating what exists in someone else's head - especially if that person is a complete stranger.

This trans woman says:

“From the perspective of the trans person, a bathroom bill is them saying specifically, ‘I don’t accept that you are a woman or a man.’” Kathryn said. “And for those of us who have spent three-plus decades forced to live under that label and finally having been able to transcend it, at least in our own heads, that’s really hurtful.”

Good. #saveourkids