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Truly Behind The Scenes Soap Opera Dirt (Part III)

C'mon, spill the tea!

by Anonymousreply 60002/02/2017


by Anonymousreply 101/17/2017

I think it was "Rape me, Todd."

by Anonymousreply 201/17/2017

OMG Richard I feel like such a loser. When I hear about what happened to Laura I ate a whole loaf of bread!

by Anonymousreply 301/17/2017

Can we rename these threads "Mel Thomas Scott is a cunt"?

by Anonymousreply 401/17/2017

Mel: STILL a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 501/17/2017

Whoever put the P&G end credit at the end of the last thread is a fucking genius. I just laughed myself sore.

by Anonymousreply 601/17/2017

The difference between rape then and rape now is society's relationship to rape. Now, for many people rape is black and white. There are no grey areas any longer where rape is concerned. If she's says no, then it's rape. Case closed. If she says no after she says yes and they're in the middle of the act and he doesn't stop then it's rape. In today's world, Rhett Butler raped Scarlett O'Hara when he picked her up and carried her up those stairs.

You can't play a ravishing any more. You can't play a scene where a woman says no over and over when everyone knows that she really means yes. You can't play sexual games anymore. Unless it's the woman playing the game and she's the aggressor.

For the record, I am not pro rape, however I miss the days when soaps could tell more provocative stories and not be shouted down by the fans because someone is being offended. I personally think good writing is supposed to be offensive and thought provoking. All to often these shows play it safe instead of really exploring some of the darker elements of human nature. Soaps used to do that. They can't anymore.

by Anonymousreply 701/17/2017

Jello-Bum Thomas Scott

by Anonymousreply 801/17/2017

Fat ass Scott. Can't stand that cunt.

by Anonymousreply 901/17/2017

All this talk about rape is just making me say fiddle dee dee!

by Anonymousreply 1001/17/2017

I used to love AMC, but would cringe when they would use rape as a plot point to redeem bad girls. At least for the most part, the rapists ended up as worm food and not a brooding romantic hero, but they went to the well way to often. The Bianca rape was esp. disturbing, because it seemed more like it was for shock effect of - lets force the lesbian to have sex with a man, then we can also stick her with a baby and find other ways to avoid doing a simple same sex couple story for her.

by Anonymousreply 1101/17/2017

First, thank you for doing this thread OP.

Did GH win as best show from when Claire Labine wrote the show, that would have been around 1996? If so that was, IMO, the best writing GH ever had, Stone's AIDS, Monica's cancer, BJ's death. OMG, one after another Labine turned out stories that I still cry when I think about all these years later. After years of SciFi and ridiculous adventure stories GH finally became a gut wrenching drama again with character driven stories. Labine then went on to do some wonderful and yes some not so wonderful stories on OLTL but the good always outweighed the bad with Labine. RIP Ms. Labine.

by Anonymousreply 1201/17/2017

Labine was a horrible fit at GL. May the cigarette girl. Cringeworthy.

by Anonymousreply 1301/17/2017

Mel"Miss Piggy" Thomas was raped by Clint Eastwood on the set of The Beguiled. She was younger than most of Woody Allen's prey at that point.

by Anonymousreply 1401/17/2017

r14 where did you read that?

by Anonymousreply 1501/17/2017

No it was Joe Conley on the set of The Waltons.

by Anonymousreply 1601/17/2017

Which soap had the gayest cast? Dark Shadows, Edge of Night, or the Doctors? I was watching an ep of the The Doctors on retro the other night, and there was one scene that contained three gay actors who would later all die of AIDS-related illnesses, David O'Brien, Palmer Deane, and Peter Burnell.

by Anonymousreply 1701/17/2017

No it was Clint on The Beguiled. Personally I would have fucked Elizabeth Hartman instead. She was better looking and didn't have Mel's baby fat issue.

by Anonymousreply 1801/17/2017

Three Edge of Night actors who often shared scenes also died of AIDS, R17: Joel Crothers, Dennis Parker and Irving Lee.

by Anonymousreply 1901/17/2017

I think its safe to say rhat all soaps are the gayest soaps.

by Anonymousreply 2001/17/2017

r17 I would say it's pretty close between EON and DS. Never watched The Doctors.

by Anonymousreply 2101/17/2017

Dark Shadows was the gayest. Barnabas was so gay he made Empress Tony Geary look straight. Louis Edmonds didn't even pretend to be straight like he did on AMC.

by Anonymousreply 2201/17/2017

AMC had its fair share too. At one point in the '80s, it had many gay actors: James Mitchell, Michael E. Knight, Darnell Williams, Robert Gentry, Larry Lau, Louis Edmonds, Elizabeth Lawrence, Larkin Malloy, Amanda Bearse, and Dack Rambo. I'm sure there were others.

by Anonymousreply 2301/17/2017

[quote]No it was Clint on The Beguiled. Personally I would have fucked Elizabeth Hartman instead. She was better looking and didn't have Mel's baby fat issue.

Eastwood didn't care much about looks or he wouldn't have been with Sondra Locke for 13 years.

by Anonymousreply 2401/17/2017

Palmer Deane was colored.

by Anonymousreply 2501/17/2017

The New York soaps were certainly gayer than the LA soaps.

by Anonymousreply 2601/17/2017

The NY soaps got all the gay theater actors. The LA soaps generally got failed prime time actors who were straight.

by Anonymousreply 2701/17/2017

When they tore down the AW studio, there was decades of cum stuck to the dressing room walls.

by Anonymousreply 2801/17/2017

Because the New York soap had actors from the theatre. To most of those actors soaps were a way to pay the rent so they could do plays and summer stock. Broadway and off Broadway is filled with gays. David O'Brien was super gay, but the fans at home bought it so I guess that's all that matters.

by Anonymousreply 2901/17/2017

Honestly, I'm not sure how David O'Brien pulled off playing straight, and a pussyhound type at that! He was a good actor, but pretty flaming. His super popular romance with whimsical Carolee Campbell plays more like a fag hag relationship watching it now. Peter Burnell as Mike Powers did a much more convincing straight act. None of the gay actors on Dark Shadows, which I realize is totally redundant, were convincing as straight leads. Frid look like he wanted to devour handsome John Karlen's Willie Loomis than Scott's Maggie Evans, and the early storyline of Roger vs. Burke was frought with sexual tension on Louis Edmonds' part toward the very masculine Mitch Ryan.

by Anonymousreply 3001/17/2017

I believe those Jacob Young stories

by Anonymousreply 3101/17/2017

Peter Burnell was stunningly beautiful, especially in those early Doctors days.

by Anonymousreply 3201/17/2017

Asshole Scholar is continually nuts. You should see what our twitter group is saying tonight. It's great stuff. If he had any idea the way he is skewered. LOL. Asshole.

by Anonymousreply 3301/17/2017

Clair Labine did win GH a Best Show daytime emmy with the compelling and realistically written B.J. /Maxie heart transplant and Stone's Aids storylines. She wrote every beat of a story so that the audience almost could feel it was happening to them and related to the characters. No soaps are written that well anymore.

by Anonymousreply 3401/18/2017

R30 Yes Dark Shadows was the gayest of them all. Shows like AMC employed gays but didn't write fabulous storylines like DS did. Frid was the gayest leading man in the history of soaps to boot.

by Anonymousreply 3501/18/2017

It's a hoot watching the original Barnabas storyline where he kidnaps Maggie Evans, knowing that the three actors heavily involved in that storyline were beyond flaming...Frid, Tony George, and Joel Crothers. Maggie later becomes the obsession of another flamer played by the gay gay gay Humbert Allen Astrado. Maggie was the original Grace Adler, attracting only gay men.

by Anonymousreply 3601/18/2017

DS also had on staff one of the few soap opera writers who made the transition into film screenplays: Malcolm Marmorstein. Among his film work is [italic]Pete's Dragon, Return from Witch Mountain[/italic] and [italic]Mary Mary Bloody Mary[/italic] about a female bisexual vampire.

by Anonymousreply 3701/18/2017

Joel Crothers was so beautiful during his DS days. He probably slept with thousands of men. I wish I had been one of those lucky guys.

by Anonymousreply 3801/18/2017

Joel was a cum guzzler, for sure.

by Anonymousreply 3901/18/2017

[quote]Whoever put the P&G end credit at the end of the last thread is a fucking genius. I just laughed myself sore.

And the long ending, no less.

by Anonymousreply 4001/18/2017

What is "our twitter group," r33?

by Anonymousreply 4101/18/2017

[quote]C'mon, spill the tea!

Why do people continue to use this moronic phrase?

by Anonymousreply 4201/18/2017

Because Muriel says we can no longer say to drop it anymore, R42.

by Anonymousreply 4301/18/2017

Good one, R43.

by Anonymousreply 4401/18/2017


by Anonymousreply 4501/18/2017

This seriously makes me nostalgic for late 80s As The World Turns and Guiding Light

by Anonymousreply 4601/18/2017

PGP? Barf! The PGP obsessives are worse than Trekkers. At least cool people liked Dark Shadows......

by Anonymousreply 4701/18/2017

To say nothing of Another World, R46.

Choke on my fresh, BBQ-laced vomit, R47.

by Anonymousreply 4801/18/2017

R47, I'm sure there's a dire rerun of Passions playing somewhere, darling.

by Anonymousreply 4901/18/2017

Anything in James Scott?

by Anonymousreply 5001/18/2017

r50 My cock, I wish.

by Anonymousreply 5101/18/2017

I wish James Scott's cock was deep inside of me.

I'd be doing an EJ and Will roleplay, for sure.

by Anonymousreply 5201/18/2017

Thank you R34. I thought so. Labine is my favorite writer, not soap writer, writer period. All her stories definitely hit every beat. They were well researched, especially medical and legal stories. They were written from the character's hearts, minds and consciences. We could feel everything. She touched every cell in our bodies, every nerve ending so we ran the gamut of emotions. She is missed. Today's writing is pure garbage. Then again it's not just the lack of talent the writers have, it's the suits that demand that. Labine quit OLTL when the Disney suits took over and told her what they expected her to write.

by Anonymousreply 5301/18/2017

I find it comical that the flamboyantly gay Louis Edmonds played all the conservative, straight-laced parts on Dark Shadows.

Who said Robert Gentry was gay? Never heard that before.

by Anonymousreply 5401/18/2017

[quote] Who said Robert Gentry was gay? Never heard that before.

that news is older than Miss Geary's perm

by Anonymousreply 5501/18/2017

R54 It's mentioned on the more specific thread discussing "What Male Soap Actors Are Gay?"

by Anonymousreply 5601/18/2017

r34, I agree. Claire Labine's writing and GH of that time is some of the best television of the 90's. I don't watch any soaps anymore, they're too dull and too time consuming. As the age of the soap winds down, I wish producers would go out on a high note of quality writing and acting.

by Anonymousreply 5701/18/2017

If they still knew how to give the audience what it wants, the age of the soap wouldn't be winding down.

by Anonymousreply 5801/18/2017

Bingo R58. You nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 5901/18/2017

The audience wants naked studs right there in their living room, which they can find all over the Internets now.

by Anonymousreply 6001/18/2017

Really, are there a lot of GH fans who want to see Sonny, Julian, Franco, Valentine (sp?) Kevin and most of the other GH's stars with lots of airtime naked, in or out of their living rooms? I sure don't and I don't think too many women do either.

Why doesn't GH do a 1 year experiment and go back to great character driven writing, longer more satisfying scenes like soap used to have and see if that brings in the fans. When OLTL got very good in the early 90s (The AIDS Quilt, Gang Rape and other excellent stories) word of mouth brought fans in and the great rating followed. It was THE soap to watch at college campuses all over the country. Students scheduled their classes around it.

It's like when food product start saying they're non GMO and no HFCS suddenly sales go up. People want good, just most companies won't give it to them.

by Anonymousreply 6101/18/2017

[quote] Bingo [R58]. You nailed it.

They used to know hot to give the audience what it wants. There are a lot of reasons for that, but cable, more women in the workplace because of feminism, and OJ are all just stock excuses. They don't explain bad writing, too many petty rivalries, too much network interference, the increased cost of doing business in New York and LA, or the increasing prevalence of glorified underwear models who can't act over stage-trained actors. They also don't explain that feminism has been mainstream since at least 1972, the year of "I Am Woman," [italic]Maude[/italic] and Ms. Magazine, and that it was during that time that a largely female-centric form like soaps were at their peak in popularity and starting to increase in production value. Cable TV was around in the 1970s but got big in the 1980s, and that probably thinned the herd and took audiences away from the ratings low-liers like EON and SFT and the newcomers and nonstarters like [italic]Texas[/italic] and [italic]Generations[/italic]. VCRs also enabled people to record their favorite shows and save for as long as they wanted, and now DVRs do that. The fact is that networks and production companies have nobody to blame but themselves for killing the soaps. Perhaps things might have been different if Douglas Marland hadn't died, but we don't live in a world of what-ifs. When my mom switched to reality TV in the afternoon, I knew they were living on borrowed time. If the writing had been better, the audience wouldn't have deserted them.

AMC really screwed the pooch twice, first by moving to the West Coast which ultimately left a lot of people out of work on both coasts, then by signing with Prospect Park instead of a streaming server. If Disney had thought about jumping into streaming a few years earlier, they might have saved AMC and OLTL. Most people don't combine the Internet and TV, and that's one reason that didn't pan out the way they wanted.

I will never understand what possessed P&G to put Mary Alice Dwyer Dobbin in charge of production. Were they trying to kill their shows on purpose? I get the sense they really wanted out of the TV production business. None of their sitcoms were hits, they made a few TV movies in the 1980s and 1990s, and once [italic]Dawson's Creek[/italic], which they co-produced with Columbia, went off the air, they just let AWTW and GL slide into oblivion. The death of AW was a long, painful one much like Brandon Tartikoff's 25 year battle with Hodgkin's Lymphoma that ultimately claimed his life around the same time. No other soap NBC launched lasted more than a decade.

by Anonymousreply 6201/18/2017

R48 Get a life you humorless queen! I enjoyed some of those soaps BTW. Slesar was most definitely one of the most accomplished writers(soaps or not) of all time. Edge of Night was the only soap that could use a baby Erica Kane(Raven) and get away with The Clown Puppet Murders.

R49 Passions was camp and pure fun. JER wrote it in such a way. Dire? The show was such a jumbled mess of soap,opera, humor and witchcraft I would hardly call it dire. So bad that it was bad might be another way to put it!

by Anonymousreply 6301/18/2017

I think soaps still have life in them but the writers are terrible. No strong ideas.

Y&R is unwatchable nowadays.

OLTL was on fire when the OJ trial started. The Vicki-multiple-personalities/Dorian-on-trial was an amazing story.

by Anonymousreply 6401/18/2017

Didn't OLTL do a gay teen storyline a decade before ATWT had Luke and Noah?

by Anonymousreply 6501/18/2017

Luke & Noah were the final nail in ATWT's coffin. Both horrible actors, especially the one with the big schnozola.

by Anonymousreply 6601/18/2017

The only soap that coul work now is The Edge... of Night.

by Anonymousreply 6701/18/2017

Did Claire write Steve Hardy's death as well? I loved when Audrey was explaining to Kevin their relationship. I had it on the DVR for awhile and it always was heartbreaking. You could see why she was so popular because she was sooo good in that scene. And showed how she was one of the best criers from the sixties and seventies.

by Anonymousreply 6801/18/2017

Even though I never watched The Doctors, I wonder if there is any dirt of Kathleen Turner's stint? People have said she's a PITA to work with on other projects.

by Anonymousreply 6901/18/2017

I must be the only one whose favorite soap ever was Loving. Maybe because I got to watch it from the first episode to the very last. Plus it stayed in half hour format. Shana and Jim were just as awesome of a couple as any super couple on the higher rated shows. Plus they had Trucker, who apparently, didn't own any shirts. Plus loving got a lot of high quality actors who were written out of the other ABC soaps.

by Anonymousreply 7001/18/2017

Recognize a familiar fact who got their start on Loving?

by Anonymousreply 7101/18/2017

I agree r67..I was never a huge fan of EON, but I did watch it if I was home. For years I had the final episode saved on VHS (I was a high school freshman) but it's long gone.

I would love to see AMC back (the Prospect Park version was mostly great), but I really think the only old soap that could be rebooted would be Edge of Night. They could get real mystery writers like the orig Noal did. They need to maybe do 3 shows a week or something.

by Anonymousreply 7201/18/2017

Of Netflix was smart they would either reboot or create a soap and air it a few times a week like they do Chelsea Handler's tone-deaf, self indulgent, poser-lib with all white, mostly male writers show.

by Anonymousreply 7301/18/2017

I think there will be a soap revival. But GH and Y&R need to stop the Sonny and Victor love-in and get their tongues out of Bernard and Braeden's asses and stop thinking the shows will not survive without them.

Agree with r70, Loving was a great soap. Perfect mix of romance, suspense, comedy, drama and sex.

by Anonymousreply 7401/18/2017

I was only eight, but I recall Joel Crothers giving me funny feelings. There was a DS article in one of the fan mags and it featured a pic of him showering. As I recall, he had a bit of a lascivious look on his face. That was quite stimulating!

Anthony George, OTOH, I found pervy and creepy. Even though I had no idea at that age what pervy was. He made my skin crawl.

by Anonymousreply 7501/18/2017

Joel Crothers never did anything for me. Yeah he was handsome on DS, but those acne scars were a bit off-putting. I don't think he aged particularly well...was probably from all that hard living, and I hated that pornstache he sported in the 70s and 80s. For my money, the most fuckable guy on DS was Roger Davis. I thought he was insanely handsome and it looked like he had a nice athletic body. Evidently he was a prick to everyone on the show, but I still think he's pretty hot.

by Anonymousreply 7601/19/2017

Did you R76 ever see the handsome Don Briscoe on DS? Beautiful face.

by Anonymousreply 7701/19/2017

Poor Don was not kind to him after Dark Shadows canned him.

by Anonymousreply 7801/19/2017

R70 Robert Tyler was the hottest soap stud ever, in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 7901/19/2017

R73, I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix pulled off a soap opera revival in the next few years. Probably 22-25 minute episodes, easy enough to watch each day or do a weekly binge.

by Anonymousreply 8001/19/2017

r78 Just shut up.

by Anonymousreply 8101/19/2017


by Anonymousreply 8201/20/2017

Even though Loving was the half hour stepchild they sure gave them a nice amount for sets and wardrobe. Especially for Shana. She was dolled up for every scene. I don't ever recall her wearing the same thing twic.

by Anonymousreply 8301/20/2017

Big Lou said Don Briscoe was "too sensitive to survive in the cutthroat world of show business." (Of course, drugs don't help.)

by Anonymousreply 8401/21/2017
by Anonymousreply 8501/21/2017

What happened to Kirsten Storms and her husband Brandon Barash? Why did they get divorced? She seems really strange. I never understood why he was with her in the first place

by Anonymousreply 8601/21/2017

ALLEGEDLY... *wink wink*

Kirsten has a major substance problem. She has gotten chance after chance... well after most other actors would have been let go.

by Anonymousreply 8701/21/2017

Loving sure knew what they had with Robert Tyler.

by Anonymousreply 8801/21/2017

I'm envious of that singlet.

by Anonymousreply 8901/21/2017

What a stud! I've come across a lot of beautiful men in my time, but he takes the cake. He is simply stunning.

by Anonymousreply 9001/21/2017

R87 I always thought it was anorexia but you're probably right. I remember getting told off for questioning the months she took off for "endometriosis treatment."

by Anonymousreply 9101/21/2017

She isn't the only one in soaps r87 as there's someone currently on Days who has "issues" and should have been fired but for some reason keeps getting chance after chance. Which if you are DYKWIA(Casey Moss) it should make mad that your gf was fired and didn't cause any problems yet one of your co-stars does and is not fired but instead keeps getting chance after chance.

by Anonymousreply 9201/21/2017

KS is starting to look like Mabel Albertson.

by Anonymousreply 9301/21/2017

I always thought Robert Tyler was pretty enough, and more than masculine enough, to go beyond soaps. It looks like he got fed up and just quit trying. I know he's a life long trekkie and the only thing he's done after soaps was calling in favors of people he knew to get a 30 second shot on Voyager.

by Anonymousreply 9401/21/2017

R91, Kelly Monaco and Kirsten Storms got in trouble together when they were doing that Dirty Soap reality show. It was rumored at the time they had been caught using drugs. Monaco always gets by with her bad behavior, but Storms got busted by ABC.

The cover story was endometriosis, which never made much sense. While she was out on leave, she had to report regularly to ABC's doctors to be checked, and it was said they made her drop urine between visits.

She has had two DWIs, so she's no stranger to getting in trouble for substance abuse. Barash supposedly put up with her drug use for months because they had a baby girl together, but he finally got fed up and called it quits.

by Anonymousreply 9501/21/2017

Did Barash switch over to the cock?

by Anonymousreply 9601/21/2017

Robert Tyler was a block of wood on ATWT. Unless he got a lot better on Loving, he could not have had a career beyond soaps.

by Anonymousreply 9701/21/2017

I wonder if Marland's and Calhoun's reactions were when they saw Robert Tyler for the first time. Personally, I think first my mouth would've dropped open and then I would've reflexively fallen to my knees.

by Anonymousreply 9801/21/2017

[quote] Robert Tyler is giving me wood


by Anonymousreply 9901/21/2017

Barash got caught having an affair. He'd take off and go to Las Vegas with his girlfriend. She finally figured it out.

She hasn't looked the same since. I don't know what is wrong with her, but clearly something is.

by Anonymousreply 10001/21/2017

Barash was engaged to another woman when he took up with Storms. It never ceases to amaze me when women think a guy is miraculously going to become faithful.

by Anonymousreply 10101/21/2017

Robert Tyler was hot pile of hardened flesh. Any other Loving fans who have a good memory and remember him getting out of a hospital bed with his tighty whities riding up his ass and showing his banana basket? Can't believe that one made it past the censors. I know he's a B- minus actor on a long since cancelled B- soap but I still believe he's in the top 5 most beautiful men who have ever been in front of a camera.

by Anonymousreply 10201/21/2017

Barash isn't so hot. He has an ok face and his body looks like it's never seen the inside of a gym. I don't get the gay attraction for him. Give me someone like Bryan Craig or Greg Vaughn any day of the week.

by Anonymousreply 10301/21/2017

Bryan Craig is rumored to be encroaching on FCF cream territory.

by Anonymousreply 10401/21/2017

Bryan Craig? BARF.

by Anonymousreply 10501/21/2017

Oh please gurl. Bryan Craig is extremely attractive. Like you wouldn't hit this in a heartbeat if you had the chance.

by Anonymousreply 10601/21/2017

Craig is a busted douche. I don't know how anyone can say he is better looking than Barash.

by Anonymousreply 10701/21/2017

I see Bryan is trolling this thread considering Kelly isn't roaming the boards defending him anymore.

by Anonymousreply 10801/21/2017

Bryan is a very masculine looking dude. He's not necessarily a pretty boy but he's got more rugged good looks. To me, Barash always looks busted and out of shape. Different strokes...

by Anonymousreply 10901/21/2017


by Anonymousreply 11001/21/2017

Any Melrose Place gossip. I know it wasnt daytime but it was a soap.

by Anonymousreply 11101/21/2017

Bryan Craig is dirty sexy, if that's a thing. He'd fuck you then wipe his cock on your brand new duvet. Or he'd pull out and directly aim for your eye instead of your mouth.

I never understood the Barash love.

by Anonymousreply 11201/21/2017

R111 Vanessa Williams, who played Rhonda on Melrose and is now Dr. Valerie Grant on Days of Our Lives, went bat shit crazy on producers even attacking one with a knife after she was fired at the end of season 1 on 1993, also accusing them of racism.

Security had to escort her out

by Anonymousreply 11301/21/2017

r113 wow, I never heard that.

She must have seethed when during the next season the show became a phenomenon.

by Anonymousreply 11401/21/2017

R114 Heather Locklear and Jack Wagner were fuck and cocaine buddies in real life, WHILE they were married to other people during filming.

Kristina Wagner, Jack's ex wife, also Felecia from General Hospital, HATES Locklear with the heat of a thousand suns

by Anonymousreply 11501/21/2017

Kristina Wagner was probably glad enough to be out of the line of fire when Heather Locklear and Jack Wagner got into violent altercations. Their problems were blamed on alcohol and drugs.

Such lovely trailer trash.

by Anonymousreply 11601/21/2017

Bryan Craig told he'd be willing to come back GH on a non-contract basis

by Anonymousreply 11701/21/2017

r117, he won't be back. He clearly pissed off someone. Based on the Laura Wright interview, no one is clamoring for him to return.

by Anonymousreply 11801/21/2017

Yeah, Wright really spoke as if she had insider knowledge that Craig wasn't coming back.

I never understand how some people come back and others don't; Digest quoted Brad Bell back around the time Jacob Young first left the show and he said something like 'mom always said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything'

fast forward two Ricks later and Jacob is back.

you just never know

by Anonymousreply 11901/21/2017

I believe Bryan Craig was tweeting with MB and CD and asking something about if Sonny and Michael missed Morgan

by Anonymousreply 12001/21/2017

He is such a bad actor and apparently a douchebag IRL.

by Anonymousreply 12101/22/2017

Why did Chad Duell and the woman who played Starr Manning/Kiki break up. I always thought he was too hot for her

by Anonymousreply 12201/22/2017

How is Eddie Alderson doing?

by Anonymousreply 12301/22/2017

[quote]How is Eddie Alderson doing?

I wish they had not recast Matthew when they put OLTL online.

by Anonymousreply 12401/22/2017

What went on between Tony Geary and Greg Vaughan? Did Geary just give him attitude because he wasn't his precious Jonathan Jackson? Did Tony see Greg as nothing more than a pretty boy with limited talent? Did Greg reject Tony after he tried to get in his pants? Greg never has anything nice to say about his GH stint, but never specified why, and Geary it seems refuses to discuss him. Seems like something happened, but what? Any insiders?

by Anonymousreply 12501/22/2017

No dong was tasted in either direction, R125.

by Anonymousreply 12601/22/2017

Jacob Young played Lucky between JJ and GV, so I don't think Geary's problem had anything to do with JJ.

by Anonymousreply 12701/22/2017

I have a feeling perhaps that GV wouldn't "play ball" with the trifecta of shit Geary/Benard/Burton. I will never forget the prick crypt keeper saying that they and Guza basically wrote the show. The egos on GH at that time were disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 12801/22/2017

r128 that makes sense. GV may not be the best actor but he's hot as hell. I am sure that trifecta of shit were threatened by GV's hotness. Bloated Bernard and Bloated Burton, especially.

by Anonymousreply 12901/22/2017

R94 He had a very brief scene as a cop in the awful movie Best of the Best 4: Without Warning from 1998. He can be seen 41 minutes in. His then-wife Jessica Collins had a larger part in the same movie.

I wonder if he got tired and wanted to play something other than hunk roles and when that didn't happen, he just gave up. Even before his often shirtless ATWT and Loving stints, he got cast as hunks in a few off broadway plays. It looks like they really tried to downplay his looks on Star Trek: Voyager. He really tried to distance himself from his previous modeling career when he went into acting also.

by Anonymousreply 13001/22/2017

r130, I think he came from a well-to-do family. I imagine acting gigs came easy to him because of his good looks and it was something fun to do and then after awhile, he just gave up because he didn't really need to work for the money. Just my guess, though.

There was a Loving thread that was mostly about him. He still has fans after all these years.

by Anonymousreply 13101/22/2017

Kelly Monaco doesn't like GV and is said she doesn't want him back anywhere near GH

by Anonymousreply 13201/22/2017

I wish that singlet would make it on the Ebay. I'd cash in my 401K. I was a teen when I fell in love with him and I still jack off to visions of him. Of course in those visions I'm still a teen. He's the Jake of daytime.

by Anonymousreply 13301/22/2017


by Anonymousreply 13401/22/2017

Jake from 16 Candles who just disappeared too.

by Anonymousreply 13501/22/2017

R133, I've felt the same! Tyler definitely gives Michael Schoeffling a run for the money in terms of the swoon-worthy, enigmatic, former actor.

by Anonymousreply 13601/22/2017

Monaco is mostly full of shit. She pimped Lucky/Sam until Jason came back in the orbit then dropped GV like a hot potato.

by Anonymousreply 13701/22/2017
by Anonymousreply 13801/22/2017

R132 Monaco is a fucking cocaine whore who did threesomes with John Mayer when he was with Katy Perry. BTW Katy wasn't invited to those threesomes!

by Anonymousreply 13901/22/2017

Who is Kelly Monaco to dictate who she will and will not work with? Even Susan Lucci never had that kind of power. Why do regime after regime allow the pet actor to essentially guide story? It's really disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 14001/22/2017

I think Kelly Monaco claims GV once acted in a way she didn't like towards her.

by Anonymousreply 14101/22/2017

One of the mags described Tyler on AtWt as "transient mental case Spence Davies"

His acting was horrible

by Anonymousreply 14201/22/2017

Shirtless Spence at 1:34

by Anonymousreply 14301/22/2017

I was in my teens during Tyler's tenure on Loving. He churned this gayling's hormones like nothing else. We had a TV with VCR in the family room downstairs. I would tape all the ABC soaps every day (yup, I made my jock father incredibly proud lol). I only taped Loving to see Tyler. I would freeze frame on a shirtless scene, whip out a sick, lay back on the couch, and furiously JO to his image. I'm sure I wasn't the only teen gayling that experienced "stirrings" looking at Tyler. Grant Aleksander, JWS, Don Diamont, and Grant Show were the other soap hunks I was in lust with during this time period. Ah, fond memories.

by Anonymousreply 14401/22/2017

r140 I find it interesting that Susan Lucci is probably (and arguably) the most famous face of daytime yet you never hear stories of her being a diva. Even her so-called feud with Sarah Michelle Gellar didn't stop them from having great scenes together (like their last scene together).

I'm sure it was an unwritten rule that the writers had to keep Lucci in front-burner storylines but it seems she never dictated to them how Erica should be written. That's why she had great stories because they allowed Erica to be down and out and Lucci excelled. Whereas someone like Eric Braeden constantly has to be the hero and take on all the villains, fighting men half his age who could kick his ass. It's laughable. At least with Lucci/Erica, she wasn't afraid to look bad. She could put her ego aside if it was meant for the greater good of the story. That's who an actor looks better.

by Anonymousreply 14501/22/2017

*what makes an actor look better."

by Anonymousreply 14601/22/2017

I wish Susan had spoken up during the unabortion storyline, arguably one of the most offensive storylines to ever disgrace daytime on many levels. Even Agnes, when asked about it, gave am ambiguous "I thought it was a very interesting concept" response. Ya know someone at ABC had a gun to her head to not say anything negative about dismantling her groundbreaking storyline from 30 years earlier. I wish either of these women had stood up to Frons and McTavish and told them enough is enough, you've gone too far.

by Anonymousreply 14701/22/2017

R141 He probably refused to fuck her. She is a living cesspool of STDs so he wasn't missing much.

by Anonymousreply 14801/22/2017

R145, a real pro knows how to leave bruises without the evidence showing. You don't survive as long as Susan Lucci has in show business by being nice.

by Anonymousreply 14901/22/2017

Kelly Monaco sounds like a drama-queen-bordering-on-psychopath. That whole GH set sounds as messy as Y&R (where GV also worked).

by Anonymousreply 15001/22/2017

R145 On what planet has the angry EB been the hero on Yawn and Rested?! He's been the fucking villain for decades now......

by Anonymousreply 15101/22/2017

Vaughn is doing his second stint on Days. I guess he didn't manhandle one half of the couple RAPE then. If I were KA I would have manhandled him for sure.

by Anonymousreply 15201/22/2017

Someone on the DOOL thread made a very cryptic comment on why/how Vaughan is back.

by Anonymousreply 15301/22/2017

What was that cryptic comment? That Dena fucked him?

by Anonymousreply 15401/22/2017

r151 you obviously don't watch the show regularly. Victor is always beating up men half his age to make him the hero.

by Anonymousreply 15501/22/2017

I remember one year at the Emmys, probably about 2004/2005, Frons was sitting with the GH cast, clearly ignoring the AMC and OLTL casts and showing which show he cared about most. He was sitting in a cluster with JFP, Geary, Bernard, Burton, Ingo, and Robin Christopher. They all sat there like some fraternity group, just so arrogant, and pompous looking, as if GH and them were superior to the other soaps. It was pretty insulting all around. It's a fucking soap...get the fuck over yourselves.

by Anonymousreply 15601/22/2017

R155 Unh ? Victor beating up people doesn't make him a hero. He's always been a fucking asshole on the show and in real life.

by Anonymousreply 15701/22/2017

It was this R154: "(Vaughan) was brought back for certain reasons and if those reasons hadn't happened he wouldn't be back.

by Anonymousreply 15801/22/2017

R158 is that something beyond Dena rehiring all the people Josh let go?

by Anonymousreply 15901/22/2017

I have no idea what it means, R159. Another post in the thread claimed that the show never wanted to bring Vaughan back ... I assumed it was the same poster.

by Anonymousreply 16001/22/2017

EB and MTS both hated GV and were glad that he was leaving the show.

by Anonymousreply 16101/22/2017

r157 you make no sense. Victor is always swooping in to save the day. To save Nikki. To save Victoria or some damsel in distress. Genoa City doesn't need the police force because they have the Almighty Victor.

Apparently Victor is going to take on the drug lords Dylan is involved with.

And he hasn't always been a fucking asshole. Victor back in the day was written more complex. A ruthless figure who was very protective of his family and business. Now he's just an asshole because of Braeden's ego.

by Anonymousreply 16201/22/2017

I think Eric Braeden thinks Victor is a hero. There have been a few interviews were he was upset that Nikki and the kids were mad at him and spoke to him disrespectfully (after he had done something really horrible) saying he should cut them off. Compare that to an interview with Lucci, where she might say she loves the character and even mentions positive traits of the character, but she knows that Erica is a megalomaniac control freak who is deeply messed up. I remember her saying once that in regards to parenting decisions, it is probably best to do the opposite of what Erica would do.

by Anonymousreply 16301/22/2017

Exactly r156. And people will still try to say that OLTL and AMC would have been canceled with or without Frons. Sorry but I don't buy it.

by Anonymousreply 16401/22/2017

The writing for Lucky was not particularly great during GV's time on GH. Then when Jonathan Jackson's bank account dried up and he decided to go back to GH they just dumped poor Greg. I never got the appeal of JJ anyway. Certainly he was a talented child actor but I never bough him as an adult Lucky. Definitely could not have imagined him playing some of the stories GV played as Lucky.

by Anonymousreply 16501/22/2017

r165 reminds me of David Tom who played Billy Abbott again on Y&R many years after he had played him as a teenager and after Billy Miller had won fans over when he was recast in the role. Tom really struggled with the adult Billy.

by Anonymousreply 16601/22/2017

The GH Trifecta of Shit (Geary, Benard and Burton) disliked and were probably threatened by GV because he was better looking than they were. He made fun of them every chance he got. He was not impressed and he made sure they never forgot it. They started it by picking on him and trying to control the writing for him so he wouldn't ever look better than they allowed. It was mostly Burton who was so insecure he couldn't stand for GH to have a better looking actor, and Vaughn definitely was that. If one of the Trifecta hated someone, they all did and they never broke ranks. Vaughn wasn't the only one the insufferable assholes treated that way. Ingo and Rick Hearst got the same treatment.

Monaco and Vaughn fucked for a brief time. She was all over him until Frons, with JFP's help, made a deal with Burton that their pairing would be reunited when Monaco got back from stripping in Vegas. They promised Burton there would be no romance, only partners in some adventures. After Burton took the bait, Frons reneged on the promise and Monaco laughed at Burton when he objected. Frons the tit worshiper had a huge hard-on for Monaco and always gave her anything she wanted.

Monaco, who hasn't drawn a sober breath for many years, dislikes Vaughn because within days of her throwing him under a bus to get Burton back, they were on stage at some kind of outdoor daytime fan event. Vaughn got there first and Monaco looked quite smug when she plopped down on the couch next to him. He didn't say a word to her, but he got up, walked away and sat somewhere else. She looked mortified, and I doubt she has forgiven him for that slap in the face, no matter how much she deserved it.

by Anonymousreply 16701/22/2017

R151, do you watch the show? The writers and producers obviously think of Victor as the star of the show. He's been its romantic lead for decades, at least according to the show. You and I see him for the asshole he is, but he is definitely the star. Maybe we could compromise on "antihero"?

by Anonymousreply 16801/22/2017

R168 I do and have watched the show. Hans AKA EB is no Tony Geary. As bad as Luke Spencer, rapist and hitman, was Geary made Luke somewhat likable. EB has never made likable in my eyes. Especially since he has been associated with the odiously chubby Ms Piggy AKA Eastwood's Underage Conquest AKA Melody Thomas Fat. We both see him as the show asshole. So we definitely agree on something......

by Anonymousreply 16901/23/2017

Monaco is fucking shameless. God knows how many tricks she pulled when she did Playboy. Every playmate hooked from time to time. Monaco was no different. She really gave a shit that Greg blew her off? She's a cheap floozy that will fuck for a line of cocaine.

by Anonymousreply 17001/23/2017

I think that Monaco/Vaughn exchange was at SSW - I wish I could find the clip.

by Anonymousreply 17101/23/2017

Robin Christopher was stone faced when Marcil won the Emmy. I totally got it, because RC did the heavy lifting in that story. All Marcil did was her routine shrieking laughter and bitchface expressions.

by Anonymousreply 17201/23/2017

Monaco gives Billy blowjobs in his dressing room. Yuck!

by Anonymousreply 17301/23/2017

I like Robin Christopher but Australian actress, Antoinette Bryon(the original Skye) was far more fun. RC has the personality of a rock at times.

by Anonymousreply 17401/23/2017

Monaco might rim,fuck,suck,swallow and clean Billy's pipe to boot.

by Anonymousreply 17501/23/2017

Which show has the more ego-driven set? GH or Y&R? They both seem like hornets' nests.

by Anonymousreply 17601/23/2017

I thought Billy Miller liked the peen.

by Anonymousreply 17701/23/2017

Robin Christopher and Antoinette Byron are actually cousins in real life.

by Anonymousreply 17801/23/2017

Yawn and Rested is the worst. Ms EB and MTS are soap monsters.

by Anonymousreply 17901/23/2017

R174 Antoinette Bryon Is a terrific actress. Aren't she and Robin Christopher cousins in real life?

by Anonymousreply 18001/23/2017

R179 They call her Mel Snott over at CBS 41. Mel is hated over there! A true beyatchhh.

by Anonymousreply 18101/23/2017

R178 That was posted on IMDb BUT is it true? I find it dubious.....if they are first cousins how are they related? I have never heard that AB is part American. RC is not part Australian. as far as I know.

by Anonymousreply 18201/23/2017

Doug Davidson has got to be the luckiest person in daytime. He hasn't had a storyline in more than 15 years, yet he continues to stay employed.

by Anonymousreply 18301/23/2017

[quote] I wish Susan had spoken up during the unabortion storyline, arguably one of the most offensive storylines to ever disgrace daytime on many levels. Even Agnes, when asked about it, gave am ambiguous "I thought it was a very interesting concept" response.

How does one "unabort" a baby? Shoving it back inside the mother before it's too late?

by Anonymousreply 18401/23/2017

[quote]Doug Davidson has got to be the luckiest person in daytime. He hasn't had a storyline in more than 15 years, yet he continues to stay employed.

How strange!

by Anonymousreply 18501/23/2017

Suzanne is top-billed. Doug is not.

by Anonymousreply 18601/23/2017

Suzanne is a Days icon. DD makes Y & R cameo player/guest artist Eileen Davidson look front burner in comparison.

by Anonymousreply 18701/23/2017

[quote]Suzanne is top-billed. Doug is not.

You're right!

by Anonymousreply 18801/23/2017

[quote]Doug Davidson has got to be the luckiest person in daytime. He hasn't had a storyline in more than 15 years, yet he continues to stay employed.

It probably helps that Davidson is hung like a mule and probably slipping to someone in the executive offices

by Anonymousreply 18901/23/2017

A much better Spence, the transient mental case, clip with much more shirtlessness.

by Anonymousreply 19001/23/2017

[quote] Doug Davidson has got to be the luckiest person in daytime. He hasn't had a storyline in more than 15 years, yet he continues to stay employed.

Davidson almost got canned near the end of 2008 by Paul Rauch and MAB. SOD reported that Y&R was under one of its budget axes and one of the moves involved getting rid of either DD or the other DD (Don Diamont). In the end, Don was the one who got the ax, and that's when he became the Bradsicle and was killed off in early 2009. .. In the end, I guess a lucky move for him, since five months later, he was hired by B&B and began to get actual leading man material.

by Anonymousreply 19101/23/2017

R190, I see Martha really trying with him there; so often, actors, if they're paired with someone who's just a hunk, will throw the scene to send the writers a message.

by Anonymousreply 19201/23/2017

Spence Davey is such a soap opera name. Lots of Marland characters had outrageously soapy names. Remember Linc Lafferty?

by Anonymousreply 19301/23/2017

Robert Tyler got somewhat better as an actor as time went by on Loving. He didn't have a whole lot of acting experience before ATWT, a few bit parts in movies, and a few off Broadway plays, where he was typecast as hunk also.

by Anonymousreply 19401/23/2017

Barry was primarily a fashion model. An iconic face of the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 19501/23/2017

Is it true rgat Clint Ritchie wanted to knaw on the Slee's titties?

by Anonymousreply 19601/23/2017

Slezak should have let Clint suck her tits. She was no beauty. She also loved Hugh Grants' hair after he got caught with that black hooker out in LA. How clueless she was.......

by Anonymousreply 19701/23/2017

Robin Christopher walked on eggshells at GH. Apparently when she was on AMC, so was Maurice Bernard. He went after her big time and she turned him down. He's not the type to get over it. I don't think he ever spoke to her behind the scenes at GH. Not any story between their characters either.

by Anonymousreply 19801/23/2017

Marland was great at coming up with names.

So was Henry Slesar, Edge of Night's top scribe.

by Anonymousreply 19901/23/2017

Sleestack was quite homely. Imagine what she looks like now at 70 with the saggy titties. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 20001/23/2017

R38 I met Joel at The Eagle. Acknowledged who he was, he got nervous. When I reminded him that we knew each other when we were kid actors, he loosened-up. In the 50s he was on Broadway in "The Remarkable Mr. Pennypacker." Told me P&G had moral clause, if anyone was outed they could be fired. We talked for about an hour and went our separate ways.

by Anonymousreply 20101/23/2017

Hi skeleton Sue @ r200. How was your dinner of birdseed and water?

by Anonymousreply 20201/23/2017

Draper Scott was my favorite soap name.

by Anonymousreply 20301/23/2017

The GH Mavens (Sonny, Burton, Geary) were also scared of the influx of hot new YOUNGER men on the show in 2007 like Josh Duhon.

BTW, WHET Josh Duhon? His career's been dead for almost 8 years.

by Anonymousreply 20401/23/2017

I'm surprised no other soap picked up the actor who played Draper Scott. He carried Edge of Night for about five years.

by Anonymousreply 20501/23/2017

I had high hopes when I saw him in Tootsie.

by Anonymousreply 20601/23/2017

Best Marland name ever is Shannon O'Hara, named after two airports and not the character's real name...but so right for her.

What was Kirk's older lover's name? I have vague memories of that name being very Marlandesque.

by Anonymousreply 20701/23/2017

I loved Draper Scott, too!!! He oozed sexiness!

Did Greg Vaughan's Jesus-y marriage break up because of his drinking problem?

He's hotter than anything but smells like cigarettes and whiskey. He's been reported to have been drunk at several fan gatherings over the years.

by Anonymousreply 20801/23/2017

Vanessa Chamberlin was my favorite Marland name!

I have also always loved the name "Kelly" for a hot young guy....

by Anonymousreply 20901/23/2017

Geraldine Whitney was the best soap opera biddy

by Anonymousreply 21001/23/2017

[quote]Best Marland name ever is Shannon O'Hara, named after two airports.

Is there an airport named "O'Hara"?

by Anonymousreply 21101/23/2017

My favorite Marland name is John Dixon's nickname for Julie Wendall, "Little Miss Seattle."

by Anonymousreply 21201/23/2017

Way to miss the point, r211.

by Anonymousreply 21301/23/2017

R209 GV was fucking around with some floozy. That is what broke up his marriage. A guy that hot believes that monogamy is only a suggestion. I'm surprised that he hasn't tried to fuck KA in her asshole as of yet.

by Anonymousreply 21401/23/2017

Lois Kibbee was a big ole lez. Did she ever eat out Ann Flood?

by Anonymousreply 21501/23/2017

I read it was because GV couldn't keep it in his pants. If only there were pics.

by Anonymousreply 21601/23/2017

But he was such a Jesus FREAK on Twitter!!!! GV was always quoting the Bible and THANKING JESUS for his incredible MARRIAGE.....

by Anonymousreply 21701/23/2017

GV likes eating snatch. Blech!

by Anonymousreply 21801/23/2017

R213, no point was made by the "O'Hara airport" poster.

by Anonymousreply 21901/23/2017

Waitaminute R190, am I to believe that not only were Dusty and Holden, but also the extremely hot Robert Tyler were all chasing after the drab Lily?!?

by Anonymousreply 22001/23/2017

Really? It seems to me r211 thought r207 didn't realize there is no O'Hara airport. Otherwise what was the point of the post?

by Anonymousreply 22101/23/2017

Was Vanessa Chamerlain a Marland creation? I could swear that the Dobsons introduced her.

by Anonymousreply 22201/23/2017

R204, I hear he used to be called Josh Douchebag b/c he wasn't nice or well liked.

by Anonymousreply 22301/23/2017

R220, Tyler's Spence was also smitten with cousin Pam, played by the earnest Robin Morse. She was so real, you just had to like her!

by Anonymousreply 22401/23/2017

Interesting that a few days before his divorce was announced, Greg Vaughan was still posting valentine-type crap to his wife on twitter. Must have found him sharing his seed.

by Anonymousreply 22501/23/2017

R221, she flew from Shannon airport in Ireland to Chicago's O'Hare...(Ohara)

I guess Doug expected us to take a leap with Ohara and O'Hare

Also, Marland introduced Vanessa and her daddy Henry.

Not since Tracy Q was obsessed with Edward was there such a doting daughter, but Vanessa was more icy cool than right between the eyes bitch that Tracy is.

by Anonymousreply 22601/23/2017

R212, that was a good one; I heard if Larry B. didn't like an actor he was working with he'd look at them in scenes like he didn't understand what they were saying.

Another great line was Lucinda to Craig re: Iva: "She was the unmistakable aura of Las Vegas!"

by Anonymousreply 22701/23/2017

Did William Roerick ever suck off Marland?

by Anonymousreply 22801/23/2017

R228, not he got the part on merit.

by Anonymousreply 22901/23/2017

Did Empress Geary ever let Marland suck his feet on GH?

by Anonymousreply 23001/23/2017

Oy, r226, I understood that.

by Anonymousreply 23101/23/2017

R220 Every hot guy in town was madly in love with Lily. It was so unbelievable; she was such a drab person and a spoiled, pampered brat. Totally made no sense that the sexy and nubile Emily was always second choice to Princess Lily!

by Anonymousreply 23201/23/2017

"What was Kirk's older lover's name?"

Adelaide Fitzgibbens.

by Anonymousreply 23301/23/2017

Adelaide was played by Marland pal Susan Brown (Gail, GH); she hosted a reception after his memorial in LA. Mary Ellen Stewart (Stuart?) sang Someone To Watch Over Me; it was beautiful.

When Susan got the role of Pat Nixon in a movie, Beverly Penberthy (ex-Pat, AW) stepped in as Adelaide.

by Anonymousreply 23401/23/2017

Was Aunt Liz a lez?

by Anonymousreply 23501/23/2017

I never had sexual relations with that woman.

by Anonymousreply 23601/23/2017

Lois was rather mannish. She gave Connie Ford a run for her money.

by Anonymousreply 23701/23/2017

Who would win in a fight Mona Aldrich Croft or Geraldine Whitney?

by Anonymousreply 23801/23/2017

i love this thread.

by Anonymousreply 23901/23/2017

The old bag Kay Chancellor could be beat them both with one hand tied behind her back and the other hand holding a flask full of whiskey.

by Anonymousreply 24001/23/2017

[quote]Who would win in a fight Mona Aldrich Croft or Geraldine Whitney?

We all do, hun.

by Anonymousreply 24101/23/2017

Connie Ford ate out Lois Kibbee's snatch. I wonder if they videotaped it?

by Anonymousreply 24201/23/2017

Here is a pic of young Connie Ford. I don't get lez vibes. Unlike Flannery, who even at her most femme couldn't hide it.

by Anonymousreply 24301/23/2017

Feb. 2 on Hallmark Home and Family, Susan Lucci is cohosting an All My Children reunion to honor Agnes Nixon. See article.

And I know this contributes nothing to the thread, but, figured if anyone was interested it'd be those of us posting here.

by Anonymousreply 24401/23/2017

So James Scott... Nothing on him?

by Anonymousreply 24501/23/2017

Maybe Ron could push EJill through.

by Anonymousreply 24601/23/2017

They should do a OLTL reunion as well.

by Anonymousreply 24701/23/2017

With Dena now gone guess I'll admit this

Homophobia was one of the factors used in the decision to kill off Will Horton just as homophobia played a part in Dr. Reid getting hit by the train.

by Anonymousreply 24801/23/2017

James Scott is 13x8.5. That's why he's got on him.

by Anonymousreply 24901/23/2017

Dena gave me cuntophobia.

by Anonymousreply 25001/23/2017

For R115 & R116.......Many years ago, I was the assistant manager of a Bowling Center (we don't call them alleys) which hosted lots of kids birthday parties. One Friday afternoon, the party attendant assigned to the "Wagner" party flaked, last minute. So.....I was stuck working the party, which was fine. It was very late on a Friday afternoon, only 10 kids, 9-10 years old......and it was Jack & Kristina Wagner's son. I hadn't watched GH in years, but thought, "This should be interesting." They were divorced at the time, pre-reconciliation (and subsequent break up).

Kristina was warm & delightful. She arrived with her sons, and BFF Lynn Herring, and Lynn's two boys. It was a drop-off party, so none of the other parents hung around, other than Lynn......who was going to help schlep the kids to Kristina's house for a slumber party, after bowling, pizza, cake, arcade games. Kristina & Lynn were great fun! After I got the kids set up on the lanes, I asked Kristina & Lynn if I could get them anything. They glanced at each other & replied: "Coronas!" They sat & gabbed with their Coronas (they only had one, each), and chips & salsa, and cheered the boys, while they bowled. They seemed like very cool, fun, laid-back Moms. Jack showed up about 15 minutes after the party began. He & Kristina hugged, and they seemed to be friendly. After a brief conversation (and saying hello to kids), he left again, to pick up an ice-cream cake. He was gone the whole time the kids were bowling.

He wasn't a complete asshole, but he definitely carried himself in that douchebag/"I'm a handsome star!" manner, when he walked through concourse, or spoke to me. Even when he said "please", it sounded condescending. So different than her. Kristina insisted she & Jack (and Lynn) serve the kids pizza, cake & sodas themselves, in the party room....and he did seem engaged in that......a little manically so.

They gave me a $50 tip, even though I didn't do all that much.

by Anonymousreply 25101/23/2017

Interesting that Noelle Beck (Trisha, Loving) played Lily in the final years of ATWT. Too bad they couldn't bring back Robert Tyler to form a triangle with Holden.

r251 great story. Nice to hear Kristina and Lynn are nice. Seems they aren't toxic like some of the other GH cast members.

by Anonymousreply 25201/23/2017

R251, good story; thanks for sharing.

I think you caught Jack on a typical day.

I can just hear that 'please' as if he's saying it because he has to.

I know the women and a lot of gay men are crazy about him, and I'm not into blonds, but he does nothing for me.

by Anonymousreply 25301/23/2017

[quote]Homophobia was one of the factors used in the decision to kill off Will Horton just as homophobia played a part in Dr. Reid getting hit by the train.

Is it ever anything else?

by Anonymousreply 25401/23/2017

Gay characters are not enough to make up for bad writing.

by Anonymousreply 25501/23/2017

Emily McLaughlin always looked so dejected.

by Anonymousreply 25601/23/2017

I knew an actor who played gay on a prime time series (he's straight, dammit!) and he did a few episodes on a daytime soap

someone in p.r. at one of the shows was setting up interviews and I heard they wanted to keep him away from 'the gay press'

first of all, the soap press IS the gay press; secondly, why?

It was a woman who wanted the actor not to do gay press and I could only think she wanted to keep the guy as a fantasy of desire for straight women; you know, because they're straight.

but it's all b.s. today, everyone has an opinion. everyone has a platform.

by Anonymousreply 25701/23/2017

R256, I lost Dan Rooney to a former madam, who mopped the floors at GH.

Yeah. I was dejected.

by Anonymousreply 25801/23/2017

[quote]It was a woman who wanted the actor not to do gay press and I could only think she wanted to keep the guy as a fantasy of desire for straight women; you know, because they're straight.

This is why soap operas are losing their audiences: they're not catching up to the reality that gay people watch these shows and that we like seeing ourselves on TV. If the form hadn't been brought to its knees over the past 20 years, there might have even been room for a new soap with a gay couple at its core.

by Anonymousreply 25901/23/2017

R259, I agree.

I've worked in the soap genre and the personal agendas of everyone is what's killed these shows.

I tuned into ATWT its last few years and thought I was watching Port Charles. All the characters who played Kevin, Karen, Lucy, Scotty, and Eve were eating up the screentime.

That said, if these shows hired great writers and LET THEM WRITE then many of them still might be on the air.

by Anonymousreply 26001/23/2017

Soaps used to be the dirty little secret. They were the racy smut that housewives watched in secret , and in the time before cable they were the most risqué thing you could see on television. Now it is the opposite. Soaps are dying because they are trying so hard to be traditional.

by Anonymousreply 26101/23/2017

Gregg Vaughn and his wife had an open marriage. Like many others have discovered, that looks better on paper than its reality. He was publicly, openly unfaithful with some horrible women and brought drama and havoc into their home where there were small children. Don't know what finally precipitated his wife to divorce him, but figure it must have been a doozy on a long line of doozies.

I've suspected for some time he has substance abuse problems. Most guys would take one look and run away from a drunk like Monaco, and she wasn't the only barwhore he fucked around with.

by Anonymousreply 26201/23/2017

R254 there was also a woman with one of the soap sites who got to speak to tptb at Days and backed Dena up and told the ptb that all of audience agrees with her and Dena and that they want the show to kill Wil off.

by Anonymousreply 26301/23/2017

Was this April 2015 Blind Item about Vaughan or Martsolf? At that point in time, they were about the only two actors on Days at that time who would fit the clues.

[quote] DAYTIME EMMY AWARDS: NBC. This very good looking closeted actor who has been on other things besides soaps is married with kid(s)but he hooked up with a guy last night at an after party and they were not shy about being into each other

by Anonymousreply 26401/23/2017

[quote]I tuned into ATWT its last few years and thought I was watching Port Charles.

That's another thing: the shows started to become indistinguishable from one another. ATWT's post-1990s themes were tuneless messes compared to the original, 1980s and 1990s theme songs, and all the shows' opening sequences started becoming generic and interchangeable with practically everyone getting a pivot shot over a tuneless theme song.

by Anonymousreply 26501/23/2017

[quote][R254] there was also a woman with one of the soap sites who got to speak to tptb at Days and backed Dena up and told the ptb that all of audience agrees with her and Dena and that they want the show to kill Wil off.

Dena's been fired, so don't expect her to be able to do any more damage than she already has.

by Anonymousreply 26601/23/2017

Does this mean that raspy voiced actor who played a gay is going to be found alive on Melaswen?

by Anonymousreply 26701/23/2017

R264, Vaughan had been divorced for a year by the time that BI appeared.

by Anonymousreply 26801/24/2017

I wasn't a lesbian I was just old

by Anonymousreply 26901/24/2017

DOOL Has New Writer

by Anonymousreply 27001/24/2017

It is amazing in the last ten or 15 (or maybe 20) years all of the recycling they have done with writers and producers. They just kept to the small pool hoping to hit gold, even though most of these people have now been fired multiple times. I think the refusal for the most part to bring in new blood has helped keep the soaps stagnant and prevented them to evolve in a way that might have kept them around longer.

by Anonymousreply 27101/24/2017

r271, because no one new wants to touch the HW jobs, especially with the lack of creative control.

by Anonymousreply 27201/24/2017

KellyAnne Conway reminds me of Tamara Clatterbuck

by Anonymousreply 27301/24/2017

R232 Even more amazing is how Martha Byrne got Segante in real life. She must have given the best blow jobs in the business or have been a sexual acrobat in the sack. How did that white ethnic from Jersey even come close to fucking Segante? She was not even remotely in his league.

by Anonymousreply 27401/24/2017

Maybe that's why she has that gum problem.

by Anonymousreply 27501/24/2017

R273 I can see the resemblance between them. Clatterbuck has a hard look and voice but is more attractive and less haggard looking than Con-way.

I stopped watching Y&R regularly by the time Clatterbuck came up, and had a good laugh when I first seen her on there because I recognized her from the movie Vice Academy, which was shown often on USA Up All Night. She played a hooker and really looked and sounded the part. I'm sure she leaves that movie off her resume. Here's a clip from that.

by Anonymousreply 27601/24/2017

[quote]because no one new wants to touch the HW jobs, especially with the lack of creative control.

I agree. The current system is not going to produce another Slezar. Anyone writing for the current soaps has about 10 people hanging over his or her shoulder, and all 10 of those people will rewrite the material to suit themselves.

by Anonymousreply 27701/24/2017

I imagine with budgeting it is a nightmare to try to write when you have to keep certain characters from appearing more than a couple times a week too.

by Anonymousreply 27801/24/2017

Clatterbuck and Sharon Case remain BFF's in real life. Those two along with Jennifer Gareis (Grace) and Lauren Woodland (Brittany) still do things together all the time.

by Anonymousreply 27901/24/2017

Jennifer Gareis looks like she's made of plastic.

by Anonymousreply 28001/24/2017

"KellyAnne Conway reminds me of Tamara Clatterbuck"

Thank you! I have been trying to figure out who Conway reminded me of for months!

by Anonymousreply 28101/24/2017

R277 Do you mean Slesar? Or a variation of Slezak?! Slesar was a real writer who wrote outside of the soap opera ghetto. His CV was tremendous when compared to a regular soap writer.

by Anonymousreply 28201/24/2017

Carvilati is coming to Days????? That is the death knell for sure. He will probably turn it into another Passions!

by Anonymousreply 28301/24/2017

R272 Oh please. Ryan Quan would have given Corday daily blowjobs to get the sole headwriter position but Quan just doesn't have the chops for it. Carlivati does. There are no newbies out there who can do the job. That included fat Jamey Giddens.

by Anonymousreply 28401/24/2017

R283 No JER Part 3 done wrong! Passions was JER's companion piece to Days but RC will make Days into the 90s version again. Tony DiMera tries to marry Kristen again, tries to kill himself and blame John and Marlena is again the devil. Much better than what we are getting now.

by Anonymousreply 28501/24/2017

R284 Queen Giddens is going orgasmic. He had to have an emergency podcast. .. LOL! He probably dreams that RC will now hire him as a "Creative Consultant," which is what Quan was bumped to and what Sheri Anderson Thomas will be. I can see him Fedexing Ron that "bible" he put up for Days last week. He wrote that was just the first part of several he has for the soap.

by Anonymousreply 28601/24/2017

R282, I meant Henry Slesar. Sorry, that was a typo.

I have no idea what his work outside of soaps has to do with my post.

by Anonymousreply 28701/24/2017

R286 Doesn't queen Jamey realize that his association with Rowell will not give him any ins with a Sony Production? How dumb is that fat slob? Have his hemmorhoids eaten his brain?

by Anonymousreply 28801/24/2017

How soon will it take Carlivati to come up with a lost child/paternity storyline?

by Anonymousreply 28901/24/2017

Go to hell. Ron is a genius. He is going to be Days savior. If GH under Jelly is SmartTV, then Days under Ron will be CompellingTV.

by Anonymousreply 29001/24/2017

Best/worst Marland soap name: Hutch Hutchinson.

by Anonymousreply 29101/24/2017

Any info on Tamara Braun? I got the lez vibe when she was on GH.

by Anonymousreply 29201/24/2017

Me too, R292. She went to several industry events with cast member Alicia Leigh Willis as her date, even after she left GH.

by Anonymousreply 29301/24/2017

I was the only lez on the GH set.

by Anonymousreply 29401/24/2017

Amy Vining tried to steal my kidneys.

by Anonymousreply 29501/24/2017

R293, ALW did a few episodes of The L Word. She was one of the many who hooked up with Shane.

by Anonymousreply 29601/24/2017

There was quite a bit of speculation about them while they were working together.

ALWhy is married to a man and they have a child, last I heard anything about her. I saw a picture of her with her child and she is no longer built like the Incredible Hulk, which was interesting. She must have given up the body building.

by Anonymousreply 29701/24/2017

No one had as much homosexual heat as Coltin and Jacob.

by Anonymousreply 29801/24/2017

Agreed, r298.

by Anonymousreply 29901/24/2017

You mean the straight and married with children Colton and Jacob whose "homosexual heat," as you put it, was merely an urban myth THAT NEVER HAPPENED except in the minds of gay superfans?

by Anonymousreply 30001/24/2017

Clatterbuck's a doll; I think Alice was one of Bill Bell's last great characters.

The actress said once: embrace your type and you'll work, it's why I've played five crack whores for Steven Bochco.

by Anonymousreply 30101/24/2017

R289, not long, I'm hoping!

by Anonymousreply 30201/24/2017

Giddens is a mess, in his news item about Carlivati's hiring he proceeded to post 10 pages of how he would repair the show.

by Anonymousreply 30301/25/2017

R292 I get a bi vibe from Tamara Braun. When she was on Days for the third time she seemed quite heterosexual. Then again the role called for her to be obsessed with a man and she must be a good actress.

by Anonymousreply 30401/25/2017

I know for certain that Tamara Braun has dated guys. However that doesn't mean that she hasn't dated girls either. She's 45 and has never been married.

by Anonymousreply 30501/25/2017

[quote] Best/worst Marland soap name: Hutch Hutchinson.

He must have thought of it on a trip to Hetch Hetchy.

by Anonymousreply 30601/25/2017

Knowing Ron, the whole Kristen./Susan/Lady Penelope story line will resurface and it will become The Eileen Davidson Show like it was in The 90s. John will find out he is Andre DiMera's twin and that Carrie Brady is the new hellspawn. Marlena will become a nun.

by Anonymousreply 30701/25/2017

Can the current cast at Days pull off camp? Cause that's what Ron likes to write. And he writes stories that go way too long and gives poor pay off. He likes to make fun of with his stories of those cast members he doesn't like. And he makes fans pay if they complain on twitter. He's a sick puppy.

by Anonymousreply 30801/25/2017

Ron is dying to have someone snatch Maggie's wig.

by Anonymousreply 30901/25/2017

R273 Yessssssssss. I've been thinking that since Cunty Anne's first reappearance last year.

by Anonymousreply 31001/25/2017

[quote]Best/worst Marland soap name: Hutch Hutchinson.

Worst. His real name was Alexander. "Alex" would have been two entire shitloads better than "Hutch."

by Anonymousreply 31101/25/2017

Wasn't Hutch a Pat Falken-Smith character? I thing Doug was long-gone by the time Hutch came on the scene.

by Anonymousreply 31201/25/2017

Hutch the hitman on GH was a PFS character, yes,

Hutch Hutchinson, one of the Oakdale hunks in ATWT circa early 90s was a Marland creation.

by Anonymousreply 31301/25/2017

Who was talking about "Hutch the hitman"? And who or what is "PFS"?

by Anonymousreply 31401/25/2017

Mal Young is a weak producer. Why isn't he helping Y&R get better ratings?

by Anonymousreply 31501/25/2017

r304, now that you mention it, she did have rather good chemistry with Thorsten Kaye on AMC. But she is an actress though.

r305, thanks for the info. I've been visiting the DL for years asking about any new info on her and nothing really comes up.

by Anonymousreply 31601/25/2017

What about some of the old broads like Eileen Herlie, Kathleen Widdoes, Lois KIbbee, Juliana McCarthy? They all seemed rather lezzy. Any stories?

by Anonymousreply 31701/25/2017

[qupte]now that you mention it, she did have rather good chemistry with Thorsten Kaye on AMC. But she is an actress though

Sadly it was supposed to be the story line celebrating a gay wedding (at the time it might have been the first one for a soap) and the producers felt that was not enough.

by Anonymousreply 31801/25/2017

R318 I found that story highly offensive. Instead of Bianca's fiancee being attracted to another woman, which would be the case, they had to hetero it up by having TB's character (can't remember the name) get the hots for Zach, Bianca's brother-in-law. Daytime TV is still so homophobic.

by Anonymousreply 31901/25/2017

It might have been an interesting twist if they had at least done some serious story lines with Bianca in a gay relationship, but they always found a way to avoid it -- first crush is murdered before they can deal with their attraction (crush had just slept with a boy as a way to prove she was not gay); in relationship with someone who had been sleeping with Michael Cambius -- character not around long after they are a couple, gets raped and then spends the next year single dealing with rape, pregnancy, and stolen baby;involved with Zarf a biological man who decides he is a woman - I believe their kiss might have been when he was a man.

Her coming out was well down (as were previous plots with Michael Delany and Kevin Sheffield a few years earlier), but AMC always dropped the ball on what to do once the coming out was completed.

Just saw this picture on a story talking about the upcoming AMC reunion. Really shows how the budgets have gone down when you see how many extras were in some of the scenes.

by Anonymousreply 32001/25/2017

R319 That was Chuck Pratt. What do you expect? He's the one who said he wouldn't do a gay storyline on Y&R unless it was unique, yet was more than willing to churn out trite and overdone stories for all the straight characters. And what's even funnier is, he was under the impression that his lesbian goes for a man story on AMC was somehow different. He even used it in his answer when addressing the situation on Y&R.

[quote] PRATT: We shouldn't do a gay storyline [on Y&R] because we're the only ones who don't have one. I would look for the story that's never been done. Lord knows, I did that on All My Children with a lesbian story that got me in nothing but trouble with everybody. But it was a fun story. [Laughs] And it sure hadn't been done before.

by Anonymousreply 32101/25/2017

Wow - does Pratt really sound arrogant (and clueless) at R321 . No wonder he is the one writer that Lucci actually called out.

by Anonymousreply 32201/25/2017

I haven't watched Y&R in ages; was SO happy to see, recently, that Judith Chapman is back!! (not sure if recurring or principal; does anyone know? TIA.) Looked her up on IMDB; cannot BELIEVE IRL she's only 7 years younger then Christian LeBlanc!!!

by Anonymousreply 32301/25/2017

R323 here, shamefully Oh, DEAR!ing myself; meant, of course, to say, only 7 years OLDER then CLB (who plays her son, for anyone who doesn't know.)


by Anonymousreply 32401/25/2017

Delightful, R324.

by Anonymousreply 32501/25/2017

R323 Per the screen credits, Judith Chapman is recurring on Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 32601/25/2017

I'm guessing Ted Shackelford isn't going to be back. He looked very sickly at an event last June. Hope he's not seriously ill.

by Anonymousreply 32701/25/2017

Julianna Mccarthy is active on FB and is in Norway a lesbian. She was married to Michael Constantine from Rm. 222.

by Anonymousreply 32801/25/2017

R321 the funny thing is that Chuck Pratt was one of the top writers on Melrose Place and he wrote a lot of storylines for gay Matt on that nighttime soap and even did a lesbian, Connie played by future General Hospital actress Megan Ward, tried to break up a straight couple ( the insuffereable Billy and Samantha) because she's in love with the woman, before their wedding story on Melrose

by Anonymousreply 32901/25/2017

They should have made Phoebe Tyler and Geraldine Whitney college friends. They could have visited each other occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 33001/25/2017

And just would Phoebe and Geraldine have done at these visits? What type of behavior would they have engaged in? Specifics, PL:EASE!!!!

by Anonymousreply 33101/25/2017

Trashing your divorcee mother you carpet muncher.

by Anonymousreply 33201/25/2017

Raven used to let Geraldine munch on her carpet, while Sky was out of the house getting DP-ed by Miles and Derek in Monticello Park.

by Anonymousreply 33301/25/2017


by Anonymousreply 33401/25/2017

Kathleen Widdoes seemed ANYTHING but "lezzy" to me, r317. God, the way she would kiss her "sons" on the lips and hang all over them on ATWT... Still, great actress. Love the Snyders despite their rather icky incestuous... "thing."

by Anonymousreply 33501/25/2017

Lily and the Snyders ate the show alive. It was never the same after Marland brought them on. Of course he always brought on poor families with the same recycled characters: the Dancys on The Doctors, the Reardons on GL,and Spencers on GH. If he had lived to become AW HW, as many had hoped, that show would've gotten another one of these other side of the tracks families, which is not what the show needed after years of Frame stories.

by Anonymousreply 33601/25/2017

So, I was on Julianna McCarthy's FB page and... look what's become of the once-beautiful Roberta Leighton (Casey)! Her mouth is now on the side of her face and the rest of her face is unrecognizable!!! Why???

by Anonymousreply 33701/25/2017

I'm intrigued that Roberta is FB friends with Nancy Valen, who is Eileen Davidson's sister-in-law, but NOT with Eileen. Anyone remember Nancy as Melinda on Ryan's Hope when that show was on its last legs?

by Anonymousreply 33801/25/2017

Something wrong with Elm Street?

by Anonymousreply 33901/25/2017

The actor who played the unfortunately named Hutch Hutchinson, Judson Mills, was always seen with actor Chris Bruno, who played gay Michael Delaney on AMC. Bruno dated Debbie Gibson for awhile, who said that two of her ex-boyfriends turned out to be gay. Hmmm.....

by Anonymousreply 34001/25/2017

r337 she was so beautiful. It's so sad. She looks even worse than Hunter Tylo.

And the comments are hilarious: "Cutie!" "Beautiful as ever".

by Anonymousreply 34101/25/2017

R266 when Dena started getting word that the show was starting to get backlash over the murder of Will. Dena being the snake that she is slithered her way to other ptb at Days and Ken then lied and claimed that everything going wrong with the show and the decision to kill Will was all Josh Griffith idea and that it's his fault and that was she "innocent".

by Anonymousreply 34201/25/2017

Fun fact. Gail Ramsey, who played Susan Moore, is a long time best friend of Meryl Streep.

by Anonymousreply 34301/25/2017

No wonder she hasn't come back

by Anonymousreply 34401/25/2017

340, alas wishful thinking; Judson's been married 3 x; has I think 3 kids.

by Anonymousreply 34501/25/2017

Emma seemed rather fond of Seth; always kissing and hugging him.

by Anonymousreply 34601/25/2017

She was just as bad with Caleb, r346.

by Anonymousreply 34701/25/2017

the casting breakdown for Caleb called for Holden to feel intimidated by him; a tall order, given how smoldering Jon Hensley was.

They missed the boat.

by Anonymousreply 34801/25/2017

Holden was really hot, but Seth had BDF for days.

by Anonymousreply 34901/25/2017

Oh God, here we go again. Let's have yet another thread about those show eating Snyders. Can we please just stick to the Hughes or the Stewarts, please.

by Anonymousreply 35001/25/2017

ATWT missed the boat by not SORAS-ing Annie Stewart Ward's quads and bringing them on to re-establish the Stewart family in the 1990s-2000s. Fuck those Snyders. They were boring.

by Anonymousreply 35101/25/2017

R351, I agree;

Tho the names...Maria, Lowell, Greg and Nancy ...Maria and Greg are fine, but Lowell? Nancy?

by Anonymousreply 35201/25/2017

Did Benjamin Hendrickson travel the hershey highway?

by Anonymousreply 35301/25/2017

R353, questions like that are why people stay private.

by Anonymousreply 35401/25/2017

"the casting breakdown for Caleb called for Holden to feel intimidated by him; a tall order, given how smoldering Jon Hensley was. They missed the boat."

Are you kidding? Michael David Morrison was the sexiest man on that show. And Scott Bryce was the most romantic. I'm not putting Hensley down; yes, he was VERY handsome and a much better actor (right off the bat) than he's given credit for. But he wasn't the end all and be all on ATWT.

by Anonymousreply 35501/25/2017

Fat Mel Scott said that she misses Roberta Leighton. If Ed Scott was still at Y&R, we'd see Roberta back with her stretched out wierd face. Thank god Mel has no power at Y&R anymore. She's a wacko.

by Anonymousreply 35601/25/2017

R328 here I mean to say but my tablet would not let me - Julianna McCarthy is no NO WAY a lesbian, not just one when she's in Norway.

by Anonymousreply 35701/26/2017

That old cunt Juliana McCarthy is still alive? Dear god in heaven.

by Anonymousreply 35801/26/2017

Kim Zimmer should play Nikki's sister Dr Casey.

by Anonymousreply 35901/26/2017

Zimmer would be a better fit to play Genoa City Town Square.

by Anonymousreply 36001/26/2017

It would be a boon for any of the remaining soaps to have Zimmer on it, even better if she could portray Reva, but anyway you slice it, she was one of the finest actors in the history of the medium.

by Anonymousreply 36101/26/2017

Zimmer could never play Reva on another show. Some characters are synonymous with their shows of origin. You'd never see Erica Kane on another ABC soap.

by Anonymousreply 36201/26/2017

Zimmer baptizes herself the slut of Genoa City whilst little Faith plays chess. Look for it during May sleeps - I mean sweeps.

by Anonymousreply 36301/26/2017

Zimmer could bring that hefty slut pig Echo Di Savoy over to Genoa City to seduce Victor just like she did Chuckles.

by Anonymousreply 36401/26/2017

Tracie meets Reva in Overeaters Anonymous, and they become fat, er, fast, friends. Reva, money hungry now that Josh has left her, learns that Tracie is an Abbott and uses her new friendship to try and cozy up to her next target, Jack. Reva goes as far as to seduce a very needy Tracie to secure their friendship. A whole episode in May Sweeps will be devoted to Reva and Tracie trying to find the other's snatch through all those folds. Crystal Chappell will make a cameo appearance, as Reva calls Olivia to get advice on lez-lez action.

by Anonymousreply 36501/26/2017

R365 That's certainly far more interesting than anything we've seen from Boring Sally Sussman.

by Anonymousreply 36601/26/2017

[quote][R271], because no one new wants to touch the HW jobs, especially with the lack of creative control.

On HBO or Netflix, you can write without advertisers breathing down your neck. On CBS or ABC, you are at their mercy. Lena Dunham would be even more miserable than she already is if she had to work as a staff writer on DAYS or B&B.

by Anonymousreply 36701/26/2017

R314 I thought that Hutch was created by Oat Falken Smith. The Marland Foot fetishers can't keep their mind straight about him. They blame him for GH becoming a Bnd/sci-fi show. The fact Pat Falken smith made both GH and Days into a Bondian action/adevnture type of show.

Rick Moses was great as Hutch. I'm surprised that Ron Carlivati didn't bring him back. Even though Rick Moses looks like Moses now!

by Anonymousreply 36801/26/2017

R308 Many of those same people were on Days when JER reigned supreme. So yes they can do camp. JER walked a fine line but it was the ultimate manifestation of soap camp. Much like John Waters he knew that he was doing camp.

by Anonymousreply 36901/26/2017

r368 The "Hutch" we're talking about is the ATWT character played by Judson Mills in the early '90s.

by Anonymousreply 37001/26/2017

Carlivati should borrow directly from John Waters and integrate it into soapy situations. For instance, he could write a scene where a troublemaker does some "shopping for other people" with condoms, or pregnancy tests, etc. The victim will be buried in their iPhone trying to mitigate some other crisis, and too distracted to notice at the checkout counter.

Then someone else finds the items and jumps to conclusions, and then spills the tea to someone else.

by Anonymousreply 37101/26/2017

[quote]Carlivati should borrow directly from John Waters and integrate it into soapy situations.

Maybe GL should have ended with Kim Zimmer eating the script for Dolly's death.

by Anonymousreply 37201/26/2017

R370 I know. The other Hutch on GH was much cooler and in a much better story line AKA "Love On The Run." I wonder if Mad Man Star, Rose Kelly, actually fucked Rick Moses or not?

by Anonymousreply 37301/26/2017
by Anonymousreply 37401/26/2017

R367 Though at HBO if the ratings are not there you are cancelled. Vinyl being the prime example of a show that was renewed for a season 2 BUT didn't make it past season 1 because of the blah ratings.

by Anonymousreply 37501/26/2017

HBO also takes in income from subscription fees; CBS does not.

by Anonymousreply 37601/26/2017

Did Michael Louden ever partake of the cock with Hutch?

by Anonymousreply 37701/26/2017

Except for Luke/Noah/Hank, all of the characters on ATWT were straight. You have no evidence that they were gay. None at all. For heavens's sake, top rewriting storyline history to accomodate you gay fantasies. Got it? Good!

by Anonymousreply 37801/26/2017

R378 Ahem

by Anonymousreply 37901/26/2017

[quote]For heavens's sake, top rewriting storyline history to accomodate you gay fantasies.

Then I wouldn't say "top" if I were you, R378.

by Anonymousreply 38001/26/2017

I love it when the P & G queens go preening on and on about their long gone lamented soaps. Did Holden ever partake of the cock? He didn't fuck Martha Byrne now did he? However Segante did.

by Anonymousreply 38101/26/2017

R379 I forgot how hot Dr. Oliver was. The show really revealed how homophobic they were, when after Luke, who had his tongue practically hanging out everytime he was around Reid, then wanted to take their love life "slow" when they finally became a couple for around 2 minutes before Reid ran into the locomotive! I also remember that embarrassing and offensive scene of Luke and Noah jumping on the bed instead of making use of it onscreen.

by Anonymousreply 38201/26/2017

Remember when Van Hansis claimed that he was straight???? lol. He was kidding no one.

by Anonymousreply 38301/26/2017

Van Hansis IS straight, dear one. Your confusing Van with the gay character he PORTRAYED on ATWT, dear.

by Anonymousreply 38401/26/2017

Yeah, right, R384.

by Anonymousreply 38501/26/2017

Somebody's getting blo-ocked!

by Anonymousreply 38601/26/2017

Yeah, Van's straight. Straight to Tyler's cock!

by Anonymousreply 38701/26/2017

You mean just like John Wesley Shipp played str8 for however many years he was on GL, and then barely even tried while stanning that singer as Douglas Cummings on ATWT? And do we even need to reiterate those tales from backstage on [italic]Dawson's Creek[/italic] that explain why he didn't do a guest starring role on [italic]Don't Trust the B…[/italic]?

by Anonymousreply 38801/26/2017

JWS used to date his GL costar Marsha Clark from what I remember. They were one of the IT soap couples for a while. There were articles about their romance in SOD at the time. Not why they broke it off, but gay men don't date women and then flaunt it.

by Anonymousreply 38901/26/2017

A gay man dating a lesbian. Typical beard situation. JWS is a big homo and Clark is a lez.

by Anonymousreply 39001/26/2017

Some people are just a waste of space.

by Anonymousreply 39101/26/2017

[quote]Not why they broke it off, but gay men don't date women and then flaunt it.

But closet queens do.

by Anonymousreply 39201/26/2017

Why do you even acknowledge this troll? It's not even entertaining.

The worst thing a troll can be is B O R I N G

by Anonymousreply 39301/26/2017

R382 homophobes had been complaining a lot to CBS, ATWT and P&G about "the gays" taking over the show and spreading their "gay agenda" and "gay vibes" on tv. The later on ice cream with grandma after offscreen sex was thought to be a way of trying to appease both sides.

by Anonymousreply 39401/26/2017

Van has come out and he has been in a long-term relationship with Tyler Hanes (spelling?) for many years.

by Anonymousreply 39501/26/2017

My God, R394, they talk about gays more than gays do.

by Anonymousreply 39601/26/2017

They do R396 and complained to ABC about "the gays" on OLTL and once ATWT and OLTL were off the air they blamed "the gays" for getting those shows cancelled. Then homophobes also moved on to NBC and Days to complain about "the gays" there and when Will and Sonny started raising Ari together they got even madder but once Will and Sonny got married they erupted in anger and outrage and stepped up their complaints to NBC, Sony and Days because they felt the show had crossed the line by having Will and Sonny get married.

by Anonymousreply 39701/26/2017

In the Sony WikiLeaks, NBC lurved Gays of Our Lives and were crowing about the boost they brought to the young female demo comparing it to the same phenomenon that occurred with Queer As Folk and its rabid young female viewers.

by Anonymousreply 39801/26/2017

Yes r398 but that didn't stop them from giving into homophobia because homophobia is part of the reason why Will and Sonny were ended as a couple to appease those viewers who were angry at seeing a happy gay couple on their tv screens "ruining" their tv show and homophobia also played a role in killing off Will. Some of these homophobic Days viewers have since outed themselves as being Trumpets.

by Anonymousreply 39901/26/2017

What they need to do next is pair Sonny with Donnie, who must be the next actor to play Stefano.

by Anonymousreply 40001/26/2017

Robin Wright outed Mark Arnold in a German interview a few years back, saying the replacement SANTA BARBARA found for her boyfriend-cum-husband Dane Whitherspoon in the role of Joe Perkins didn't work because the actor was gay.

by Anonymousreply 40101/26/2017

r389, are you for fucking real? What a naive little thing you are.

by Anonymousreply 40201/26/2017

John Wesley Shipp and Marcia Clark did date for soap functions but I always got a lezzie vibe from Clark. She used to run a fan club for Gerald Gordon in the 70's and would write endlessly to him to get her a part on The Doctors. Apparently he DID send her to Betty Rea who cast her on Guiding Light. Her wit and sarcasm as Hillary was a great contrast to the boring actresses (Morgan, Amanda etc) but GL did not do right by her. Some say she was fired for being a Marland loyalist. I'd heard Gail Kobe said she could not understand any man being interested in her and that the romance between Jim and Hillary was hard to pen for Pam Long.

by Anonymousreply 40301/27/2017

And yet Mark Arnold is still closeted thirty years later...

He's SO gay!

by Anonymousreply 40401/27/2017

DOOL hasn't been the same since Andrea Barber left.

by Anonymousreply 40501/27/2017

Who the fuck is Andrea Barber?

by Anonymousreply 40601/27/2017

Why isn't Dee Dee Halls top billed at Days instead of that old bag with the dead Irish setter on her head?

by Anonymousreply 40701/27/2017

I thought the show started off, before the hour glass as DEIDRE HALL starring as Dr. Marlena Evans in....

by Anonymousreply 40801/27/2017

r407, because NBC does not want a dyke getting top billing.

by Anonymousreply 40901/27/2017

I honestly don't think the young female viewers were the problems for gays. I think the old bible thumping bats hated them. I remember Noah/Luke and then Luke/Reid having a big female fan base because the young girls liked the actors and seem to be the demographic they appealed to.

by Anonymousreply 41001/27/2017

The problem was always the inability to integrate the gay characters. It worked on ATWT because Luke was part of the core and served other purposes than just being the token gay. On the flip side, the Kyle/Fish thing on OLTL was so isolated and detached from the rest of the show that it made them a target. Of course, apparently all minorities were a target during the OLTL purge.

by Anonymousreply 41101/27/2017

Wasn't there talk of doing a tastefully done nude pictorial with the actresses portraying Dr. Lynn Carson and Devon McFaddon in order to promote their groundbreaking storyline on AMC back in the day? I seem to remember one of the actresses being open to it, but the other not so much.

by Anonymousreply 41201/27/2017

What's Frank Valentini's story?

by Anonymousreply 41301/27/2017

R429 Deeva Hall is at least bi. Totally gay? Not with all that young virile cock throwing themselves at her feet.

by Anonymousreply 41401/27/2017

[quote] They do [R396] and complained to ABC about "the gays" on OLTL and once ATWT and OLTL were off the air they blamed "the gays" for getting those shows cancelled. Then homophobes also moved on to NBC and Days to complain about "the gays" there and when Will and Sonny started raising Ari together they got even madder but once Will and Sonny got married they erupted in anger and outrage and stepped up their complaints to NBC, Sony and Days because they felt the show had crossed the line by having Will and Sonny get married.

Networks need to grow a pair and stop pandering to bigots. Nonpeople like that don't even deserve to live, never mind having their tastes catered to. I can't wait for a mass uprising to purge scum like that from society.

by Anonymousreply 41501/27/2017

R411, Lucas on GH is part of a core family. You'd think with his on-screen mother appearing on GH again and his job at the hospital, GH's gay EP could spare some air time for Lucas. Apparently not.

by Anonymousreply 41601/27/2017

What was the story with MEK and James Scott? MEK is bi, right? I think Scott is straight, but I get the vibe that he wouldn't be averse to some man on man action to get a role.

by Anonymousreply 41701/27/2017

R417 I recall there was discussion about all that on the other thread. (What male soap actors are gay.)

by Anonymousreply 41801/27/2017

The SON board is down again. I swear that website crashes every other day.

by Anonymousreply 41901/27/2017

R413 Hot Daddy owns a 17th floor penthouse condo in the heart of Boys Town.

by Anonymousreply 42001/27/2017

Has anyone ever heard Frank V. speak? I never have. Just curious. I think he's so handsome and masculine looking, and it would kill the fantasy if were to open his mouth and a ton of clutch purses fall out.

by Anonymousreply 42101/27/2017

Who's MEK?

by Anonymousreply 42201/27/2017

Michael Knight - Tad the Cad Martin.

by Anonymousreply 42301/27/2017

R421 There are videos of him being interviewed on youtube. I don't hear purses. Here is talking to Little Queen Fairman. (Of course, he makes most men sound masculine .. lol!) Check the sidebar for other videos featuring Frank.

by Anonymousreply 42401/27/2017

MEK=Mary Elizabeth Kennicott

by Anonymousreply 42501/27/2017

Luke and Noah getting together was a historic soap moment. The trouble is the stories they gave them afterwards were horrible. Remember Ameera, Noah's homicidal dad, the Z Twins, etc? Most soaps get the most bang for their buck by keeping their lovers apart as long as possible. They should have made Noah bisexual, have him impregnate Maddie, and they could have gotten two years of story out of it.

On the other hand, the Luke/Reid story looked promising because Reid's whole story didn't revolve around being gay. He was an asshole doctor who just happened to like guys.

by Anonymousreply 42601/27/2017

[quote[The problem was always the inability to integrate the gay characters.

I don't agree. I think the problem was that they were afraid to write gay characters as real people with flaws. What did Days do, they took a 19 year just coming out of the closet twink and all of a sudden he is in love and wanting to get married. What if Will was on Salem's version of Grindr?

What if Will had a one-sided crush on EJ and started sabotaging his mother's relationship. EJ wouldn't have to be gay or bi, just unaware of Will's crush. And here he was totally undermining his mother and trying to set up situations for him and EJ to be alone. It's soap and it's been done before, but different because of the gay angle.

What about a gay Brooke Logan or a gay Kristen Blake?

All I'm saying is stop writing these characters as saints, make them soapy and flawed.

But it won't happen because major gay organizations would cry foul at negative portrayals of gays on soaps.

Black people went through the same thing. It wasn't until Generations that we really saw a black bitch character or a black character who was hungry for power and money. Drucilla on Y&R started as a stereotype, but became interesting.

by Anonymousreply 42701/27/2017

Gay characters like that end up punished or dead r427 due to bury your gays.

by Anonymousreply 42801/27/2017

R428 "Bury your gays." Yeah, that's it.

by Anonymousreply 42901/27/2017

[quote]But it won't happen because major gay organizations would cry foul at negative portrayals of gays on soaps.

As if the ones they approve of weren't problematic for different reasons (poor writing, miscasting, anything else that makes bad movies and TV shows bad with or without gay people in them)?

[quote]I don't agree. I think the problem was that they were afraid to write gay characters as real people with flaws. What did Days do, they took a 19 year just coming out of the closet twink and all of a sudden he is in love and wanting to get married. What if Will was on Salem's version of Grindr?

I don't see what's so wrong with a story about a lovestruck gay teenager. But since you mentioned Grindr, why not have a gay character fall for a guy who's not ready for a commitment? There isn't a gay man alive who can't relate to that on some level. Most of us are neither sluts nor prudes, and we are neither hypermasculine nor hyperfeminine. But part of the reason the soaps lost their way is because in casting they started to value looks more than talent, and that mentality appears to be the same with both str8 and gay characters. A gay male character who's an average guy looking for another average guy to spend the rest of his life with is someone I can relate to and care about. A muscular white pretty boy with no concept of commitment is not. Unless he was also a golddigger who grew up poor and used his looks to seduce powerful men and gain control over them and their business assets. Anything that would provide the opportunity for great bitchy drama. Why not show two gay men fighting over the same man? We never stopped wanting gay characters. We just wanted well-written ones. Don't make being gay the story of every gay character in and of itself, but don't shy away from it either. Once in awhile, throw in something socially relevant like the effects of anti-gay discrimination or bullying. Show how the community would react to a gay bashing, but don't use that as an excuse to bury the gays: a recovery storyline might be even more interesting because then you could give him.

Remember Jodie from [italic]Soap[/italic]? He angered both the Religious Wrong and some gay activists, but he actually did things. He was a gay man living in a homophobic yet sex-obsessed world, and he kept trying to be what he thought everyone else wanted him to be, and it cost him the love of his life. 40 years later we actually have rights, we actually have openly gay people in positions of power in the private and public sectors. We need characters that reflect a wider spectrum of gay lives the way we really are.

And it wouldn't hurt if some of the gays were of color.

by Anonymousreply 43001/27/2017

It's not that difficult. Just watch Hollyoaks. There, we expect the gays to be just as flawed as the straight characters. It's a given. And the current crop of five gay men in the village aren't just connected core families somehow, but they're all interconnected to one another as well (i.e. as lovers, ex-lovers, married-divorced, former student-teacher, dated, took money for sex, rivals, etc.) And the audience goes into the story knowing anyone could die, because half of all the the characters who exit this soap end up six-feet under. Great fun!

by Anonymousreply 43101/27/2017

ffsdsf sdafdsf

by Anonymousreply 43201/27/2017

James Wlcek, as Ben Shelby, was the Robert Tyler/Trucker of Ryan's Hope. He didn't own any shirts either.

by Anonymousreply 43301/27/2017

I don't see why CBS All Access doesn't do a merge of GL and ATWT. The Good Fight and the new Star Trek series are obvious signs they mean business.

by Anonymousreply 43401/27/2017

Except Link Lafferty wasn't nearly as goodlooking as Barry Kaufmann.

by Anonymousreply 43501/27/2017

Ken Corday was allegedly paying Dena a lot of money to write for Days.

by Anonymousreply 43601/27/2017

R433 That clip (and the actors) looks like it's right out of a late 80s/early 90s porn movie.

by Anonymousreply 43701/27/2017

the girls titties in the r433 clip are so sad.

by Anonymousreply 43801/27/2017

Now Dena's money will go to ReRon! JER is dead,long live JER Jr.

by Anonymousreply 43901/28/2017

R438, yet the man's pecs are magnificent.

Even a show like Ryan's Hope -- known for its writing -- knew to have beefcake.

I did find both of the players in that scene to be good actors. Nancy Don didn't do likable things, but fans loved her.

Jim Wlceck is a cop in LA now.

I hope to run a red light someday and have him pull me over. I'd love to meet him.

by Anonymousreply 44001/28/2017

There were lots of women in soaps who had non existent titties. Look up Marcia McCabe - very tiny little itty bitty titties. Kelly Ripa - the same.

by Anonymousreply 44101/28/2017

I wonder whether Tim O'Tay would have been on a soap had the NY soaps survived. I could see him playing Jake and Vicky's son, or maybe Matt and someone's, as Rachel would have been a terrific grandma for him.

by Anonymousreply 44201/28/2017

who is that R442?

by Anonymousreply 44301/28/2017

Bury the gays and we will bury you. It's not 1983 anymore.

by Anonymousreply 44401/28/2017

Obviously R444 hasn't read the Muslim threads. Datalounge gays love to be buried.

by Anonymousreply 44501/28/2017

Think I'll leave this John Loprieno pic here.

by Anonymousreply 44601/28/2017

Oh look a picture of fake Dorian.

by Anonymousreply 44701/28/2017

John Loprieno -- a dreamboat!

by Anonymousreply 44801/28/2017

John Lopeeno.

by Anonymousreply 44901/28/2017

I think in its early and best days Ryan's Hope didn't do the gratuitous bare chest. I think it was in its later years when the writing started to suck. It broke my heart. RH was the best soap around in its prime. It was the only show that had working class people as well as the rich. OLTL did at the beginning but quickly that was gone.

by Anonymousreply 45001/28/2017

[quote]It was the only show that had working class people as well as the rich.

Excuse me?

by Anonymousreply 45101/28/2017

John Loprieno was just OK. Definitely not a beauty. Leonard Staab was. So terrible what happened to him.

by Anonymousreply 45201/28/2017

Not sure what you mean, r450

by Anonymousreply 45301/28/2017

Yeah, you've got us a little confused too, r450.

by Anonymousreply 45401/28/2017

I watched Ryan's Hope from the beginning to its agonizing end. The only thing that kept me watching towards the end was Cali Timmins. She used to light up the screen whenever she was on. The only time she wasn't compelling to watch was when they tried to turn her into a good girl. She was only good as a bitch. Except for Loving, which was still at the top of its game, all the other soaps went out the same way. It was embarrassing to watch.

by Anonymousreply 45501/28/2017

She was gorgeous in an offbeat sort of way. When Ryan's Hope gasped it's last breath I actually followed her to another soap. Then they shortly replaced her with some fat frau jr. and that was that for that show.

by Anonymousreply 45601/28/2017

Judi Evans may have been a fat frau but she became a big soap superstar. And we do mean big. Did you know she came from a circus family?

by Anonymousreply 45701/28/2017

I just can't understand how you could replace someone like Cali Timmins with that fat girl. Immediately the character changed and was a big bore.

by Anonymousreply 45801/28/2017

AW made a big mistake when they recast Paulina with Judi Evans. Cali was everything as Paulina. She and Jake were hot hot hot. Judi turned Paulina into something else.

by Anonymousreply 45901/28/2017

I agree; Cali Timmins was sexy. Loved Judi as Beth and Bonnie and Adrienne, but Paulina wasn't hers.

by Anonymousreply 46001/28/2017

I much preferred Judi Evans as Paulina. I prayed to the Red Swan to remove the first one, and he did. Thank you, Red Swan.

by Anonymousreply 46101/28/2017

I thought Cali was a big bore as Paulina. Evans and Eplin were great together. Timmons could never have gone toe to toe with Eplin.

by Anonymousreply 46201/28/2017

That actor who played Cutter on OLTL was a dreamboat.

Get it?


by Anonymousreply 46301/28/2017

For R443:

by Anonymousreply 46401/28/2017

Cali Timmins was great. Beautiful. She's the sister of Margo Timmins from The Cowboy Junkies.

by Anonymousreply 46501/28/2017

Wasn't Cali Timmons set to be a recast Tina in 2003?

by Anonymousreply 46601/28/2017

From 2001-2003 there were constant rumors of a Tina recast coming to OLTL. I remember Sarah Buxton was another name that came up besides Timmons. Ultimately I think TPTB decided it was Andrea Evans or no one.

by Anonymousreply 46701/28/2017

I had never heard of Cali playing Tina but she probably would have been great.

by Anonymousreply 46801/28/2017

Ugh, all this "sexy woman" discussion - blech!

Men, men, men!!!!

by Anonymousreply 46901/29/2017

So did Andrea Evans just retire? I remember when I was a kid in the '80s reading about all her stalker problems, but as I grew and stopped following OLTL (which I only really followed partially because it came on right after my fave AMC and because of Evans' Tina), but I seem to recall she came back.

by Anonymousreply 47001/29/2017

She returned several times, even in the 2000s on Ron Carlivati's OLTL campfest.

Google is your friend... As is IMDB...

by Anonymousreply 47101/29/2017

I ran into Judi Evans at an awards show about 15 years ago. She was as nice as can be and tiny. She let me take her picture as long as I let her hide her cig.

by Anonymousreply 47201/29/2017

There was actually talk of bringing back Andrea Evans as early as the JFP years.

It was Gary Tomlin who considered Sarah Buxton as Tina in 2001.

They had indeed begun the process of recasting Tina in 2003 when Malone came back and wrote Sarah's return. And yes, Cali Timmons was very close to being cast, which I think was even reported here by Dan Wolek or Ivan Kipling. However, as all of you know, Frons blocked anything and everything at that time. Most of Malone/Griffith's plans fell apart.

by Anonymousreply 47301/29/2017

R471 thanks for your smug response. I realize I can look it up on Google and IMDB, but perhaps the reason I posted the question on a thread titled 'Truly Behind the Scenes Soap Opera Dirt' was because I wanted to know if there was, you know: 'any behind the scenes dirt' about what happened to her.

by Anonymousreply 47401/29/2017

r471 fails to comprehend "having a conversation."

by Anonymousreply 47501/29/2017

R474 Evans fled to California in 1990 to get away from her totally unhinged stalker. The laws against stalkers were ridiculous back then (there basically weren't any) so she didn't have much of a choice. The guy even accosted her in the lobby of the studio and sent her death threats written in his own blood. She kept a low profile for several years before slowly returning to acting. She was reluctant to return to NY and OLTL, but eventually did in 2008 because her stalker was elderly at this point.

by Anonymousreply 47601/29/2017

Patsy Pease had her gay-faced musician husband, Robert Martin, stolen from her in 1996 by Cybill Shepherd! Poor PP!

Here he is in all his queeny glory in 1989:

by Anonymousreply 47701/29/2017

How come I never had an obsessed stalker?

by Anonymousreply 47801/29/2017

Is Ken Corday a big One Life to Live fan?

I know soaps have a lot of actors and behind the scenes people involved but the link between OLTL and DAYS is crazy

Behind the scenes you have Christopher Whitesell, Gary Tomlin, Dena Higley, Josh Griffin and now Ron Carlivati, who've all exec produced or were headwriters on both OLTL and DAYS

I was watching a OLTL episode from 2008 when Carlivati was headwriter yesterday and a majority of the actors shown were on Days at one time or another as well (Kassie DePaiva, Melissa Archer, Michael Easton, John Paul Lavosier, Farrah Fath, Roscoe Bourne, Camilla Banus) it was like a bizarre alternate universe.

I'm expecting Viki Slezak to take over the role of Dr. Sandy Horton on Days, effective immediately, after Carlivati gets in there!

by Anonymousreply 47901/29/2017

Yes, watch for Seponski to be back. It will be a big story as it's revealed that Victor is not his real father and he will go on a quest to find out which man fucked Kate to spawn him.

by Anonymousreply 48001/29/2017

R480, Philip was an IVF baby, carried by Vivian Alamain, in one of the most fun plots of the mid-90s.

by Anonymousreply 48101/29/2017

R479 NO. I see your point though. You could play that game with Evans and Irrizarry. Is Corday a GL obsessive because they are on Days? A GH obsessive because Thaao Penghlis was brought over from GH to basically play Victor Cassadine in the guise of Count Tony DiMera?Oh Pat flaken smith made Days into a baby GH at one time. Is Corday a Passions fan because Martsolf and Gering are rejects from Passions?

The Carlivati decision might have been influenced by NBC. They saw GH's resurrection and probably thought he could do the same for Days. One no brainer is to bring back Kristen. Ron will repackage the nutty Kristen storylines from The 90s. ED is game and so will NBC and Sony.

by Anonymousreply 48201/29/2017

No, Ron LOVED Todd and Blair and that awful Alderson.

He was not "forced" to do anything with those horrible characters on GH: he chose to.

by Anonymousreply 48301/29/2017

I am looking forward to Ron on Days. I can't think of a better fit between a writer and a show. I just wish we could get right to it and skip over Dena's mess.

by Anonymousreply 48401/29/2017

Love this thread. I used to frequent the SOC board just for RavenBeauty's scoops.

So much fun to read and then this crazy faction who thinks they are personal friends with these actors had to rise up and drive good dish out. Coggie, etc. the only "media" left is the ass kissing sort.

by Anonymousreply 48501/29/2017

Ron wanted to make Starr the troublemaker/bitch that she should have been. Turning that character into a teen heroine/Disney princess was one of the worst decisions the show made at the time.

by Anonymousreply 48601/29/2017

So today I saw THE BODYGUARD musical (terrible, by the way) and The Bodyguard was played by none other than Judson Mills, aka "Hutch" Hutcherson from this very thread. I thought of you bitches as soon as he appeared. I wasn't sitting up close, but he looked pretty good and had a brief shirtless scene. The ladies I was with thought he was hot, but he never really did it for me.

by Anonymousreply 48701/29/2017

I never liked him as Hutch nor as his "Walker Texas Ranger" character, filmed here in Dallas.

I DID see him up close at a WTR filming in a nearby park and he looked very hot in person. But on television, he has never done it for me.

by Anonymousreply 48801/29/2017

the early 90s were an interesting time in Oakdale.

Marland's best stuff was his first few years on the show: Dougie Cumanski, Iva Snyder vs. Lucinda, Simply Barbara. "Hello, Barbara." Holden.

I was less enthralled with later creations Rosanna, Hutch and Tess.

Of course, the Susan/Bob affair in 90 was fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 48901/29/2017

Susan from ATWT struck me as a prettier version of Dr. Laura.

by Anonymousreply 49001/29/2017

I need some scoop on the following AMC relationships. What happened between Sam Page and Jonathan Bennett? Is it true they were fucking when they were on the show? How about Cam Mathison and Josh Duhamel? They were golfing buds and had a nice little bromance going. Did Cam really try to maneuver Josh into a threesome, thereby killing their bromance? Was Michael E. Knight really stalking Mr. 13x8.5 James Scott?

by Anonymousreply 49101/29/2017

Hmm, never heard that about Page and Bennett. I'm sure Bennett WANTED a piece of hottie Page, but I've always assumed he was straight.

by Anonymousreply 49201/29/2017

From wikipedia: In 2014, Page wed fiancée Cassidy Boesch at a villa just outside Santa Barbara, California. Among Page's groomsmen was Mean Girls star and recent Dancing With the Stars cast-off Jonathan Bennett.[5] On September 27, 2016, Sam announced the birth of their son, Logan.

by Anonymousreply 49301/29/2017

There were definitely rumors about Page and Bennett. I could swear there was a BI about two male East coast co-stars fucking, and someone walking in on them in the dressing room, and many people thought that the item hinted at these two. Wasn't Bennett kind of slutty when he was on AMC? Though I think he was romantically linked to Liz Hendrickson, everyone's favorite go-to beard.

by Anonymousreply 49401/29/2017

I know Sam. The Bennett rumor isn't true. They are good friends, and I suspect Johnathan wouldn't have minded some intimate time with Sam, but, it never happened.

by Anonymousreply 49501/29/2017

Sam is gorgeous. His wife is one lucky woman.

by Anonymousreply 49601/29/2017

[quote] Marland's best stuff was his first few years on the show: Dougie Cumanski, Iva Snyder vs. Lucinda, Simply Barbara. "Hello, Barbara." Holden. I was less enthralled with later creations Rosanna, Hutch and Tess.

Agreed, but part of that was that Marland was given freer reign in the beginning. The network started to interfere more starting in 1988, with the loss of a few of the leads, the writer's strike, and the loss of Bob Calhoun as producer. Marland almost quit at one point. He stayed, but there was a constant push and pull for a few years.

[quote] Was Michael E. Knight really stalking Mr. 13x8.5 James Scott?

This has been discussed a billion times here, but from the top: MEK wasn't just "stalking" him. James Scott did some sort of mindfuck with Michael when he realized Michael found him attractive. He led Michael on and basically had him fall in love with him, then confronted him, cruelly. MEK was devastated and supposedly, James was fired from AMC as a result.

by Anonymousreply 49701/30/2017

Well, that and Thorsten Kaye hated his character having such an old son.

by Anonymousreply 49801/30/2017

What an ass to do that to someone you know has feelings for you. It's a psychotic thing to do, actually.

by Anonymousreply 49901/30/2017

R497, I wonder if that's when Michael Brockman left and Lucy Johnson came in?

Maybe Caso was interfering.

I loved, loved, loved Marland, but once Lily's parentage came out it wasn't the same. Of course, that's when Bryce left the show.

late 1985 to mid 1987 was an exceptional time for ATWT; I would say 1986 was the best year of its 54 year run.

by Anonymousreply 50001/30/2017

1986 was an excellent year for both ATWT and AMC.

by Anonymousreply 50101/30/2017

alas, it was not a great year for GL -- or Search.

by Anonymousreply 50201/30/2017

Marland never should have put Lily and Holden together after the reveal of her parentage, and he never should have put Josh and Meg together. Both stories made the Snyder family extremely creepy and self-righteous to me-they were always acting SHOCKED and APPALLED by Lucinda's behavior.

And the Snyders all dated the same people. Why didn't he just have them fuck each other? Also, he should have made Sabrina a spoiled and slutty, that would have allowed them to get more mileage out of the character as she matured.

Exactly what happened between Agnes Nixon and Doug Marland at Loving?

by Anonymousreply 50301/30/2017

[quote]He led Michael on and basically had him fall in love with him

Michael sounds like a teen boy here. I had no idea JS had so much power, leading MEK around by the dick like that. This story makes MEK look far worse than JS, especially the getting JS fired part.

by Anonymousreply 50401/30/2017

Mikey Knight slobbered on Darnell's big black chocolate stick.

by Anonymousreply 50501/30/2017

I used to work as bg on AMC during the Jenny/Jesse/Greg years and Darnell Williams would often talk about his friend Basil (pronounced Bah-SEEL).

by Anonymousreply 50601/31/2017

R506, Jesse pronounced that girl Yvonne as "Why-VON"

Brilliant, actually.

by Anonymousreply 50701/31/2017

R504, I don't think MEK got JS fired; if anyone did it was the guy playing his dad who felt threatened by someone taller, hotter, darker and more British.

Maybe MEK doesn't come off strong, but we've all fallen for someone we don't really know and we learn later that they're a real shit.

by Anonymousreply 50801/31/2017

I don't think that MEK had the power to get Scott fired. MEK has said that he, himself, was on the chopping block in the mid/late 2000s, along with Ray MacDonnell and David Canary. Frons wanted them gone. Someone ruled against Frons or intervened on their behalfs, but they had to negotiate drastically reduced salaries. Lucci took a cut as well.

by Anonymousreply 50901/31/2017

[quote]I used to work as bg on AMC

What is "bg," r506?

by Anonymousreply 51001/31/2017

That fat ugly bastard Frons wanted all the vets gone on each show.

by Anonymousreply 51101/31/2017

R509 The biggest reason they moved the show to LA in late 2009 was to get rid of as many vets as they could. They figured few would want to relocate. It worked with David Canary (who was suffering from early stage Alzheimer's at that point) and Ray MacDonnell (who was in his 80s but in good overall health but didn't want to make that big of a move at his age). Lucci opted to stay and commute. Other vets like Knight, Larson, Morgan and Williams opted to move to LA.

by Anonymousreply 51201/31/2017

R510, bg = background aka extra work.

by Anonymousreply 51301/31/2017

"...and he never should have put Josh and Meg together."

Agreed. The character of Meg had so much potential and the actress was so good. But shackling her to her sister's rapist could mean nothing but an exit from the show. I just don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 51401/31/2017

R514, yes, Jennifer Ashe could act circle around all the other young girls in her age range; Meg's journey was amazing to watch.

I didn't care how many times Josh saved Emma who'd passed out on the farm, changed Betsy's flat tire (that's not a metaphor) or felt really really badly that Uncle Henry beat him, I just wouldn't feel comfortable around him.

Go and have a good life, but just go.

Here's a clip of Meg's return. This young girl holds her own with Kathleen Widdoes and Lisa Brown.

by Anonymousreply 51501/31/2017

go to 1:36 to watch Lucinda deal with Josh

don't get me wrong, the guy's a great actor, Bill Fitchner, but Rod/Josh is a rapist.

by Anonymousreply 51601/31/2017

R503, two strong personalities and only room for one clear vision. I heard Aggie was a nightmare to Doug, didn't treat him well; maybe something will come out in her memoir.

I saw the first year; loved Lorna and Ava, true Marland girls.

by Anonymousreply 51701/31/2017

Doug and Aggie were just two different types of writers. There was an interview on We Love Soaps with Ag's co-HW for many years at AMC, Wisner Washam. He said that their collaboration was successful because he's a realist and Ag is a dreamer, and they balanced each other out. I have a feeling that Ag the dreamer clashed with Doug, more of a realist for control, and they just never had a clear vision. I loved the first year of Loving with Marland writing. Most soaps at the time, thanks to the Luke and Laura phenon, were awash in action adventure stories and severely backburnered its vets, and along came this little show called Loving that was refreshingly centered around intergenerational and domestic drama. Several years later when Ag became HW, she tried to turn it into a clone of more old school AMC, but it just never really worked.

by Anonymousreply 51801/31/2017

Wasn't it revealed when AMC was cancelled that they made the decision shortly after moving to LA or even knew it would not be on long after the move? They let all of these people relocate and they knew there was a good chance that they were moving across the country for a short time of employment.

by Anonymousreply 51901/31/2017

Please don't attack me but I could never get into Marland because of Lily.

by Anonymousreply 52001/31/2017

The move was definitely a cost saver, since it allowed them to drop costly vets and well as have permanent sets. In NY, the sets needed to be taken down every day, which added to production costs. Ratings were still decent and comparable to GH and OLTL as the time. The network had every intention of keeping AMC going in LA indefinitely and cancelling OLTL. Then, with Kreizman/Swajeski writing, the unexpected happened and the bottom fell out of the show and it just crashed. ABC, already poised to cancel OLTL, couldn't justify keeping the now-lower rated AMC on the air. It's a business.

by Anonymousreply 52101/31/2017

as the world turned around Lily.

I'm in the minority, but I liked Heather Rattray in the role; tho Byrne's a good egg and did (does?) great work for St. Jude's

by Anonymousreply 52201/31/2017

Marie Wilson was so much better as Meg than that whiny annoying Ashe. Ashe just wanted to make you slit your wrists, she was such a downer. Wilson and Howarth were gold together.

by Anonymousreply 52301/31/2017

R426, who were the Z Twins?

by Anonymousreply 52401/31/2017

[quote]I'm in the minority, but I liked Heather Rattray in the role

So did I. I wish she had stayed in the role.

by Anonymousreply 52501/31/2017

Martha Byrne was the first actress from ATWT to win a Lead Actress Emmy. (She had already one a previous supporting Emmy). She became one-half of the show's signature couple, Lily and Holden. She had charisma out the wazoo with all her co-stars, including Paolo Seganti, Jon Hensley and Elizabeth Hubbard. Aside from David Canary, she was probably the most successful daytime performer to play a dual role. And you thought Heather Rattray was better???? On what planet?

by Anonymousreply 52601/31/2017

[quote]And you thought Heather Rattray was better???? On what planet?

On my planet, asshole.

by Anonymousreply 52701/31/2017


by Anonymousreply 52801/31/2017

ATWT's Meg and Paul sucked. He had more chemistry with Cady and Martha and even some young girl that ended up being buried on a hill or something. I couldn't stand Meg. However, apparently in RL Howarth did as it was strongly rumored he cheated on his wife with her. People who knew the crew at that time discovered it was true. They would leave together on Friday with suitcases and head into a car together and had lots of noisy sessions in dressing rooms. They didn't exactly try to keep it a secret. I always thought he had one of the great marriages in the soap world. Guess they had some problems and MW was there to "comfort" Rog.

by Anonymousreply 52901/31/2017

I liked Heather Rattray, too...but Martha was such a fan favorite, Heather didn't have a chance.

by Anonymousreply 53001/31/2017

Martha Byrne was frautastic. The fraus who watched the show were plain and homely just like her, and they loved her. They could live vicariously through Lily as hottie after hottie unrealistically tripped over their feet to fuck her.

by Anonymousreply 53101/31/2017

I know ATWT was known as "As Lily's World Turns", but the same could be said about Gwen for awhile. Jennifer Landon's character was EVERYWHERE for awhile, and was the patron saint of Oakdale. And who had more storylines than Carly, for God's sake?

by Anonymousreply 53201/31/2017

r532, I called it "As the World Turns around Carly Tenney" after Marland died. She was the ruination of the show.

by Anonymousreply 53301/31/2017

Moving AMC to LA had very little to do with the vets. It was designed as a way to "save" it, as the target had been on OLTL's back. But even before the move, AMC was not performing and they knew it. OLTL was doing very well - there was a point in 2011 when it was even beating GH. So there were some major egos involved in justifying pulling OLTL's plug. It was never fair.

by Anonymousreply 53401/31/2017

I couldn't stand Lily no matter who played her. She was mousy, and you can't build a soap around a mouse.

She might have worked as a "Honey" type character from "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?", forever surrendering her husband's dick to older, sexier, vampish women.

Lily was NEVER sexual.

by Anonymousreply 53501/31/2017

Looking at old credits sequences on YouTube I discovered that Jenny O'Hara was on ATWT in the 1990s. I wonder if she ever did a scene with Scott Bryce; that would have brought the first and last seasons of [italic]the Facts of Life[/italic] full circle.

by Anonymousreply 53601/31/2017

Jenny O'Hara's character worked for Lucinda, didn't she? So she might've been in scenes with Scott Bryce.

by Anonymousreply 53701/31/2017

I liked Heather Rattray too. I also like Martha and had no problem with it when she reclaimed the role but I enjoyed Heather for the three years she played Lily.

by Anonymousreply 53801/31/2017

How many of you bitches have done Michael Park?

by Anonymousreply 53902/01/2017

Michael Park is a straight, family man. He is pretty devoted to his wife and kids, so I know in my gut that he has no sexual/romantic interest in men. This plays into a larger issue of gay men thinking every attractive soap actor is gay. That's simply not true. Sure there have been gay actors on soaps throughout the ages, but not as many as you might think. There's no reason to believe that the percentage is not similar to that of society in general, approximately 2-3%. Sorry, just needed to vent.

by Anonymousreply 54002/01/2017

I agree, r540. I hate also that some of them insinuate that Doug Marland was a big homosexual. He seemed like he loved all things pussy.

by Anonymousreply 54102/01/2017

And what about people insinuating that Chrissy LeBlanc is gay. He just hasn't found the right woman yet. Plus, he's too busy focusing on his career to date.

by Anonymousreply 54202/01/2017

r542, I know you're being facetious, but there's no proof that Christian is gay. He spends a lot of time doing great work for the New Orleans recovery effort and he seems pretty deep, so I can imagine it must be tough to find a non-superficial woman in LA. I can imagine he's looking for certain qualities in a woman that cannot be measured by breast size or monthly number of botox injections. It's possible he has a gf down in the New Orleans that he wants to keep away from the spotlight. We don't know. Oh and please don't call him Chrissy. That's insulting, and even on the remote chance that he is homosexual, you're conflating being a woman with being gay, and they're not the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 54302/01/2017

And please don't get me started on all the assumptions about Greg Rikaart. Since when does being married to a man and having a baby together mean someone is a homosexual?

by Anonymousreply 54402/01/2017

Miss LeBlanc misses his dear friend Charles Nelson Reilly. Remember when Chrissy mentioned Charles during one of his emmy wins. Charles was a big pussy hound. Chrissy must have loved tagging pussy with Charles.

by Anonymousreply 54502/01/2017

Don't forget that when he first joined ATWT, Van Hansis told Out magazine that he's straight. So please do not start any stories about him.

by Anonymousreply 54602/01/2017

R506 Lau didn't seem so gay on AMC. Delaney has a baby dykish vibe but Lau not so much. It was when he was paired with the stunning beauty,Joanna Going, that he seemed to have purses falling out of his mouth,ass,ears and everywhere else! She probably asked why hasn't Larry tried to fuck me yet?

by Anonymousreply 54702/01/2017

R541 Yes Ms Marland loved men's feets. That makes him uber straight.

by Anonymousreply 54802/01/2017

R538 Heather reminded of Stephanie Cameron when she took over for Missy Reeves on Days after Missy's " caught in the act" scandal at Days. Like Stephanie she seemed like an ersatz version of the previous actress. Noelle Beck was probably the hottest Lily and she was OK. HR seemed like a lesser version of Martha Byrne who is plain looking but has a lot of pizzazz.

by Anonymousreply 54902/01/2017

[quote] Marie Wilson was so much better as Meg than that whiny annoying Ashe.

Uh, no. Ashe was a million times the actress Wilson was or is.

by Anonymousreply 55002/01/2017

[quote] alas, [1986] was not a great year for GL -- or Search.

It was a bit better for one than for the other.

by Anonymousreply 55102/01/2017

Robert Reed had the aids when he was on Search. He looked ill.

by Anonymousreply 55202/01/2017

How many AIDS did he have, R552?

by Anonymousreply 55302/01/2017

Remember Michael Corbett? He played a bad guy on, I'm not sure but I thing, EVERY FUCKING SOAP! I had a big crush on him. Did he like the hole or the pole?

by Anonymousreply 55402/01/2017

Miss Corbett has been out for YEARS.

by Anonymousreply 55502/01/2017

Any kin to the not-gay-put-played-the-father-of-a-gay-son John Corbett?

by Anonymousreply 55602/01/2017

R540 = Are you Chrissy's mom?

by Anonymousreply 55702/01/2017

Who is that guy in the pictures at R469 & what was the soap/show?

by Anonymousreply 55802/01/2017

James Wlcek played Linc Lafferty on ATWT. He was on another show, too.

by Anonymousreply 55902/01/2017

James Wlcek, a god, was on Ryan's Hope. He seldom wore a shirt and his jeans were tight, thank goodness.

by Anonymousreply 56002/01/2017

R523, yours is definitely a minority opinion. Marie Wilson would have been an OK Ellie Snyder but she was horrible casting as Meg. Not a bad actress but completely wrong for the role.

by Anonymousreply 56102/01/2017

R554 Corbett hangs out in Palm Springs a lot. And these days he's producing gay twink Tyler Henry's "Hollywood Medium" TV show on E!

by Anonymousreply 56202/01/2017

Corbett's a power bottom.

by Anonymousreply 56302/01/2017

Saw Corbett naked in the NYU gym locker room around 1980. Very nice tight bod.

by Anonymousreply 56402/02/2017

Lily and Holden were just a third rate Bo and Hope. Everybody knows that. People trying to make Martha Byrne a 'name' in daytime are deluded. Kristian Alfonso is a NAME.

by Anonymousreply 56502/02/2017

I wonder if the "spirits" ever told Tyler Henry that he'd have to suck old soap star cock to get a tv show.

by Anonymousreply 56602/02/2017

Corbett has a nice long cock.

by Anonymousreply 56702/02/2017

James Wlcek still looks good these days.

I assume he has Czech lineage.....whatever it is, he's a beautiful man.

by Anonymousreply 56802/02/2017

[quote]Lily and Holden were just a third rate Bo and Hope. Everybody knows that. People trying to make Martha Byrne a 'name' in daytime are deluded. Kristian Alfonso is a NAME.

Yes, and her name is SHIT.

A "third-rate Bo and Hope"? Would that be ninth-rate, because Bope were a sixth-rate version of every other couple in the world who ever existed, going back to Adam and Eve?

by Anonymousreply 56902/02/2017

Bo and Hope were and are tired.

Lily and Holden were first.

by Anonymousreply 57002/02/2017

R569 What a bitchy DOOL FOOL hater you are. KA is a soap diva how dare you rip her a new one dreary. She has more talent in her clit than you have in your entire body.

Bo and Hope tired? Perhaps it ran its course BUT RAPE is such an ugly pairing. Holden and Lily? Can anyone say EWWWWW. Damian and Lily was much hotter. Byrne and Segante looked like they were fucking. Holden and Lily looked like a fag and his hag.

by Anonymousreply 57102/02/2017

[quote]BUT RAPE

Did this really happen to Christopher Reeve's character on [italic]Love of Life[/italic]?

by Anonymousreply 57202/02/2017

RAPE is an actual couple on Days! Rafe and Hope.

by Anonymousreply 57302/02/2017

Ignore R571. He's the weirdo who keeps making up lame nicknames for people.

by Anonymousreply 57402/02/2017

I just put him on ignore, R574. Astonishing how many idiot posts went away. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 57502/02/2017

People actually call them RAPE? No wonder soaps are in the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 57602/02/2017

R572 By the time Christopher Reeve's Love of Life character "Ben Harper" was in prison, Ben was being played by Chandler Hill Harben (the shirtless guy holding the basketball) . The story was definitely about prison rape. The innuendo was heavy. But right before the attack was going to happen, the guilty guard (who'd left Ben's cell door unlocked for his attackers) got nervous and had a cigarette that started a fire. Ben ended up saving several inmates in the cell block, including "Duke," the guy who was going to rape him. Prior to this incident, Ben had been beaten up before, so there was already a pending parole hearing. His heroism played in his favor, and he was released.

by Anonymousreply 57702/02/2017

So were any Dark Shadows actors gay? I think Louis Edmonds was.

by Anonymousreply 57802/02/2017

R578 Nope! None at all. Ever. All straight.

by Anonymousreply 57902/02/2017

OK, thanks r579. I could've sworn I read somewhere that Louis Edmonds was gay. Maybe I just assumed that because he tended to play flamboyant characters. The dangers of stereotyping, I guess. I just got into watching it after hearing about it for many years. I think David Selby is dreamy on the show. He's my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 58002/02/2017

Where have I seen the rapist before? Andy Norris on GL?

by Anonymousreply 58102/02/2017

The guy behind him is Bob the Goon from the Michael Keaton Batman movie.

Is the rapist maybe Jennifer's handsome boyfriend on WKRP?

by Anonymousreply 58202/02/2017

R526, Byrne won an Ingenue Emmy -- not Supt. Actress.

Kathy Hays and Hubbard should have tied in 1986 for Best Actress at the Emmys.

by Anonymousreply 58302/02/2017

R578 Your leg is being pulled. There is another thread that I can't find that discusses the gays on DS and other soaps.

by Anonymousreply 58402/02/2017

R581 R582 Looks that way. Because the actor who played rapist "Duke" is Tom (Thomas) Callaway whose IMDb profile shows that he appeared on "WKRP" in an episode entitled "Jennifer Falls in Love." btw - His role on "Love of Life" is not listed among his credits there.

But you can see the names of all of the actors who played the prison inmates in this clipping from SOD at the time.

by Anonymousreply 58502/02/2017

^^^ Just to add - Tom Callaway gave up acting in the 90s to concentrate on his Interior Design business, which is located in Santa Monica, CA.

by Anonymousreply 58602/02/2017

"Byrne won an Ingenue Emmy -- not Supt. Actress."

She won Best Actress for playing Lily/Rose. I don't know what year it was; 2002 or something.

by Anonymousreply 58702/02/2017

I am drawing a blank on the name of the actress who was portraying Lilly at the end of the show; but I thought she was far superior in the part. More physically attractive, but she bought a certain maturity to Lily that had been missing. She seemed to stop all that whining and demanding.

by Anonymousreply 58802/02/2017

R588 That was Noelle Beck. She was best known as Trisha on Loving.

Both Martha and Noelle both showed a lot of class, given the situation. Martha sent Noelle flowers on her first day and Noelle offered to leave the show after her contract expired so Martha could return for the last few months of the show, the powers that be didn't want Martha back though, so Noelle stayed under recurring status until the last episode.

by Anonymousreply 58902/02/2017

That prick Goutman said no to Byrne coming back. He held a grudge against her leaving.

by Anonymousreply 59002/02/2017

Sorry, but 'Trisha from Loving' sucked as Lily. The actress wasn't even that good looking without tonnes of hair extensions and troweled on foundation. I know this site will never be a love fest for Byrne but she was truly awesome as Lily from her teenage years into her 30s.

by Anonymousreply 59102/02/2017

They should've brought back Lucy Deakins.

by Anonymousreply 59202/02/2017

Or her look-alike Bonnie Bedelia.

by Anonymousreply 59302/02/2017

it is interesting that they didn't try for Deakins or Rattray, but I guess they needed someone who could walk in and Beck had the most daytime experience, having played Trisha on Loving.

I did get a chuckle out of one columnist in the soap press who kept saying: It's Holden and TRISHA!!!

Such a dick move on Goutman's part not to put his differences aside with Byrne and let her come back and finish out the role.

She had a tough part; Lily was always having breakdowns in 1986 over being lied to. She was a teen trying to find her way; if she wasn't so delicate and needy, then the drama between Lucinda and Iva wouldn't have been so powerful, and boy was it ever. It was great fun watching those two women go at it over Lily. Once the secret came out and the aftermath had settled a bit, the show lost a lot.

by Anonymousreply 59402/02/2017

I loved Martha and thought that what Goutman did to her was too shitty for words...especially after what she'd done for the show in the years before her departure.

But I have to say, Noelle Beck was a really nice Lily. I agree that she brought a quiet reserve to the role. She had nice chemistry with Hubbard and Hensley, better than Rattray. She was handed a few really dumb storylines at the end, and there were some scenes at the very end where Martha would have made viewers much happier.

by Anonymousreply 59502/02/2017

New thread bitches

by Anonymousreply 59602/02/2017


by Anonymousreply 59702/02/2017

I'm gayer than a sack of glitterballs being shot out of Pete Cooney's ass.

by Anonymousreply 59802/02/2017

R595 I agree.

by Anonymousreply 59902/02/2017


What he said.

Gayer than Alma Rudder lapping on my ladyham.

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