Shannen Doherty isn't going to make it, is she?

She's on Chelsea Handler's Netflix show tomorrow; she's still doing ok.

Nice girls don't get cancer.

No, OP, she's not going to make it and that's been clear for quite a while. She was an awful person her entire life and now she has a terrible disease. The two aren't necessarily linked but sucking on public sympathy is a stretch for this girl.

R3, my god.

I hope she does. Love Shannen. Tough cookie.

Maybe she's not very nice, I don't know. I never followed her much. But this just sounds so awful. Nobody deserves this.

R4, I have zero sympathy for Shannen fucking Doherty beyond some sort of generalized, Gee that's too bad, which is only for form's sake.

She's been a terrible person her entire life. Terrible.

How do we know Shannen is a horrible person?

[quote]She's been a terrible person her entire life.

Unless you're a family member who's been with her since birth, how the fuck do you know?

Did she hurt you at recess?

R7= Tori Spelling

WHO?

Okay, assholes, she's been a terrible person since she was on 90210.

She kicked Jason Priestley -physically ran after him and kept kicking him - across the lot until he went into his trailer and locked it to protect himself. He never fought back and she knew he wouldn't. He doesn't hit girls. She's a cunt. A violent, drug-addled, nasty cunt.

I am definitely not Tori. Tori's another piece of work for totally different reasons.

So having one unjust physical altercation makes you a horrible person for life>

Metastasized breast cancer sucks, it just does. The treatments for it have gotten a bit better, but once it's spread, it keeps coming back and the treatment's are nearly as bad as the disease.

Eventually, your body just kind of wears out.

Yeah, Shannen Doherty was said to be a real piece of work when she was younger, but I still feel for anyone going through what she is. She's dying inch by inch while other people her age are in the midst of their lives and families.

It's one example, obviously, R13. There were hundreds more and quite a few of them made the papers. You could google it if you have an interest in knowing about Shannen Doherty.

Wouldn't it be hillarious if Zsa Zsa outlived her?!

OK, so let's all make R15 happy by hoping Shannen Doherty dies a horrible death.

I'm still laughing because of r16 and I'm not even sure why. It was so unexpected.

Oh, it's you again POO @R17. Okay. Please continue.

Well she has done other things to people other than Jason. She was mean to boyfriends and husbands. She was nasty to co-stars on her TV shows; this has been well-documented. But I do feel bad for her; the chemo is beating her ass. I think she is ornery enough to survive.

Those 90210 co-stars seem like a bunch of hypocrites. Fame went to all of their heads.

Shannen may have indulged in cunty behaviour but it doesn't make her a horrible person.

r3 sounds like Jennie Garth, still bitter all these years later.

She'll pull through and probably get a reality show.

I think she's taking that Feek woman,s example . I find living out something so intensely personal on instagram or whatever distasteful at best.Sad and needy at the worst. I bet Valerie Harper is twisting with jealousy.

I thought Brenda was bad and Shannen was an actress...

I just got an email with a link to a fundraising site for my friend's sister. She has inoperable cancer and she is a homeopath who only believes in woo woo. She did one round of chemo, which shrunk the tumors. She attributed the shrinkage to her alternative treatments.

The fundraising is for alternative therapies which are not covered by insurance. This woman is wasting $1,000 a month on vitamin treatments and other stuff.

Her family is beside themselves because of her refusal to accept that she need chemo to survive. She really thinks she's going to cure inoperable stage IV cancer with herbs, vitamins, acupuncture, meditation, etc.

And I have to give her money or I'll look really bad.

She gets to decide how she wants to live and die, no matter how stupid everyone else thinks it is.

Send a donation to her fund. Whatever she's doing, that's what she wants to be doing until she dies.

r26 Bitch if I gave money to a stage IV cancer patient just for them to eat some fucking leaves I think I would ask for my money back.

[quote]I just got an email with a link to a fundraising site for my friend's sister. She has inoperable cancer and she is a homeopath who only believes in woo woo. She did one round of chemo, which shrunk the tumors. She attributed the shrinkage to her alternative treatments. The fundraising is for alternative therapies which are not covered by insurance. This woman is wasting $1,000 a month on vitamin treatments and other stuff. Her family is beside themselves because of her refusal to accept that she need chemo to survive. She really thinks she's going to cure inoperable stage IV cancer with herbs, vitamins, acupuncture, meditation, etc. And I have to give her money or I'll look really bad.

Has she tried weed yet?

You're that upset that a celebrity you've never looked at in person who is a cunt has cancer? You need therapy bitch. Lots.

We have to keep in mind that we are all only on this Earth for a short time, some longer that others. But, ultimately one day we will be home with the Lord and that is for eternity.

R29 = Rosie O'Donnell

Who cares if she was a bitch sometimes, we've all had bad moments and you have no idea what she went through as a child that formed her personality. She was in showbiz since she was a little girl on the prairie, I'm sure it wasn't an easy life despite money and fame. If you can look at this pic and not feel some sympathy for another human then you deserve what she has.

[quote]She was in showbiz since she was a little girl on the prairie

Me too. Your point?

I feel sad for her. :(

[R33] Your character was the worst. And that's saying something

[quote] Has she tried weed yet?

Of course.

To the poster upthread with the homeopathic friend - if she's stage IV and its inoperable, this may be her way of living her last months relatively peacefully, while still trying to placate her parents.

If it was any other stage, I'd agree with you.

Agree with R37.

Afaik, Stage IV is virtually completely untreatable, isn't it? And even if it is "successfully" treated, you'll probably only have a few months until it comes back.

If that's the case, I'd rather use homeopathy than chemo, too. If you're gonna die anyway, why spend your last months sick and hurting?

She's no me

Whatever her issues have been with certain people, Shannen has had the same set of close friends for decades. I think that says something about her character (if she hits it off with you she's probably very loyal) and its a lot better than most of these for convenience formed PR cliques that dominate most of Hollywood - Reese and Chelsea Handler, J Law and Amy Schumer, whomever Taylor Swift is hanging out with these days, etc.

This is just a disgusting thread.

I think it's telling that there's been no discussion of her prognosis. It had already spread to her lymph nodes by the time it was diagnosed. That's not good.

[Quote] I find living out something so intensely personal on instagram or whatever distasteful at best.Sad and needy at the worst.

It's her choice and i'm sure she's not the first person with cancer to do it on instagram.

[quote] Afaik, Stage IV is virtually completely untreatable, isn't it?

No. It's treatable, but not curable. It's colon cancer.

Thing is, it's rough on her family because she is constantly being admitted to the hospital where the hated western medicine takes care of her temporary problems, so they take her there, visit and take her back. She needed a permanent stent but refused to have one put in because she didn't want a foreign body permanently in her body. So she has to have a plastic one replaced every 4 weeks, which again means she has to be accompanied by family. They have jobs and it's a precarious economy.

The chemo would shrink the tumors and make things more bearable, at least for a few years. She has a sister who's a "western medicine" NP on whom the burden of care has fallen because no one else can deal.

I feel bad for her family, who wish she would stick around for a while. Plus they have the hope that a new treatment may come along while she's still alive, if she extends her lifespan. They're also helping to pay for her alternative therapy, but they can only spend so much.

The weird thing is that she's been an all-natural, organic only, herbs, vitamins, acupuncture, yoga person all of her life. Hiking, swimming, running. And she's the one who gets inoperable digestive cancer. Just goes to show you -- life is a crap shoot.

^^^^^^

Oh, I forgot. She wouldn't have needed the stent if she'd had more chemo. One of the tumors got bigger and is pressing on things.

She'll be fine. Awful people with cancer can hang on forever.

I'd never wish someone's death or someone getting cancer. It just brings bad karma to oneself. I'd go that far not even enjoy someone's misery. Shannen Doherty never hurt me personally or something like that. Her victims maybe have the right to feel some kind of satisfaction or schadenfreude about her current situation, but me? No. Cancer sucks.

So how long do we think she has? A year? Two years?

She's fine! She sends her love!

She's a Republican.

That sucks, R25. When my mother got cancer my supervisor told me that all she had to do was "megadose on Vitamin C" which means no chemo and radiation, which meant I wouldn't have to miss work to take my mother to those appointments, so she wouldn't approve my FMLA request.

It wasn't her call to approve it, thankfully.

Some people are just stupid. You can't fix it. I hope you can find a way out of that mess. Her poor family.

R44, I know someone that did the whole chemo route. She had breast cancer, it spread and she ended up having tumors everywhere. They didn't catch it soon enough.

She went through absolute hell. Looked worse than Shannon, and she was younger. Excruciating pain as tumors spread to her spine,lymph nodes and eventually her brain. She fought to continue getting chemo even after the insurance didn't want to cover it any more because it was hopeless. She just wanted to eek out a few more days or weeks. In the end, she was on a morphine drip and was in such pain it barely helped at all. They couldn't give her enough or it would have stopped her breathing.

Her caretaker said she would have about 15-20 minutes of relative comfort, then stare at the clock in agony waiting for her next fix, screaming at people and begging them to let her have more. How would you like to be the caretaker being screamed at and blamed for someone's agony? It was horrible for her.

Her husband freaked out and pretty much stopped coming home. Even his boss told him to stay home with her in her final days but he couldn't stand to be around her. They were a happy couple beforehand. Right after her death he moved in with his "new" girlfriend.

This took about two years. At the end, when the caretaker would bathe her, she had so many timors she couldn't be lifted out of the tub without touching one of them. She would scream in agony, and curse at her caretaker, but it had to be done. This hard to be a happy, gregarious woman. She blamed everything on people around her due to the pain.

My guess is the lady you know has already checked out. She knows she's going to die and doesn't want to go through the above. She's just trying to make her death as comfortable as possible, but she knows it can't be stopped. Her family is in denial and they think chemo can cure anything. It can't. As far as the stents go, she's right not to want anything permanent.

Once any form of life support goes in you pretty much have to have a court order to get it out, especially if your family doesn't approve of removing it. Hospitals often don't respect patients' wishes and will brainwash your family to do more than you agree to, even if you've got a living will. They pretty much tell your family they're murderers if they don't agree to more than the patient wants.

I had a half dozen nurses tell me not to agree while every doctor was pushing for permanent intubation. Once it's all in, the patient lives through a horror of being tied down, doped up and covered in tubes until their heart gives out. This can go on for months. Both parents lived through this. Then your family has to make choice after choice: should we deny a feeding tube? Fluids? Treatment for the family inevitable pnuemonia? Crisis after crisis, over and over. It's agonizing. There's usually some busybody on staff trying to high pressure you to drag it out. Claiming God wants you to drag it out.

This lady is just trying to ensure herself a reasonably peaceful death while making family feel like she's doing something and trying to keep the pain to a minimum. After seeing both parents go through this, all I can say is, she's got the right idea. She's keeping control. Tell her to get a living will, drawn up by a lawyer, and initialed on every page, stamped by a notary, and have it put in her patients' file.

Then have a meeting with her doctor and next of kin and * read it out loud* to them. My dad's doctor refused to read it even though he knew he was legally obligated to follow it. I had to read it out loud to him at the nurses station so there would be witnesses, then read it again to the specialist. He kept trying to get away and say he didn't have time but I forced him. Your family have to be very firm or they will put you on life support and you will never get off. They must fight for you to die and few have the balls for that.

That's why this lady is trying to keep medical intervention at a minimum. She's right.

Sorry for the long post.

I think another thing that is never talked about is that some people want to die. They figure they've lived long enough and this is God or the universe's way of saying it's time to go. They're okay with letting nature take its course.

Doctors and family are not, and the patient doesn't want to fight them, so you get these half assed vitamin therapies and the like. You aren't even allowed to say you're ready to die, everyone fights it and denies it.

People have to go to their deathbed pretending they're still fighting because that's what you're supposed to do, "fight a heroic battle with cancer." Some people don't want to. They're fatalists. That should be okay, but the people who aren't suffering think they know better.

[quote] My guess is the lady you know has already checked out. She knows she's going to die and doesn't want to go through the above. She's just trying to make her death as comfortable as possible

Nope.

Her fundraising site makes it clear. She's going to kill the cancer. She knows better than western medicine, which "just makes you sick." The reason why she wouldn't have a permanent stent put in was because she would "have to have something foreign permanently in her body" and that wasn't acceptable. In her mind, the plastic stents are a temporary thing, until her cancer is cured.

According to western medicine, she has to be on chemo for the rest of her life. According to her, the doctors are wrong, she has a lifetime of healthy living ahead of her and being damaged from chemo is not in the cards. She only went through one round of chemo to "shake the consciousness" of the cancer.

She's used weed for years before she had cancer. She continues to use it -- but not medical marijuana. Only organic weed. Because it's healthy.

When my friend told me about the beliefs she had, I thought it was an exaggeration. It sounded so juvenile. "I'm a magical thinker, therefore magic will work for me. If I don't let the cancer win, then I won't die. It's all up to me."

She's got a ton of friends who think the same way. Then I think -- well, how can we blame them? The "establishment" doesn't believe that medical care is a human right. They think it's a privilege and only certain people qualify for it. This belief is rooted in nasty 17th-18th century British Protestantism, which served to affirm a strict class system.

We make it hard for young people to afford health care. We tell them taxes are a horrible thing. A candidate for the presidency says only stupid people pay taxes, and close to half of America agrees with him. "You don't deserve health care, you didn't work hard enough, it's your fault that you're sick.You need to heal yourself."

So they don't get health insurance and they believe they can heal themselves, because other people on the internet say they can. Positive thinking, apple cider vinegar, tea tree oil, magic berries, quinoa, yogurt, raw food. Like Popeye downing a can of spinach, magical recipes will make them strong again.

But I still feel bad for her family. She thinks she's going to live and be healthy; they know she's going to die and are grieving. It's such a sad predicament.

[quote]The weird thing is that she's been an all-natural, organic only, herbs, vitamins, acupuncture, yoga person all of her life. Hiking, swimming, running. And she's the one who gets inoperable digestive cancer. Just goes to show you -- life is a crap shoot.

I bet she tells people her cancer came from the Diet Cokes she drank in college. They always do.

Is this just another Valerie Harper situation? It's hard to trust a celebrity, they will milk anything for attention.

Shannen also had breast implants. I wonder if that that kept her from feeling lumps, or them picking them up in a mammogram.

As cunty as she's been in the past at times, she doesn't deserve something this bad.

R3 is a heinous, smelly, stench and disease filled cunt.

[quote] Diet cokes she drank in college

No, she was organic in college. In fact, she was organic in high school. She's only 39. She worked on an organic farm right after college. Her parents, who are immigrants, were just thrilled they paid tens of thousands of dollars for her education so that she could become a farm worker.

She ran a food coop and then went back to school for homeopathy. She only ate organic food growing up because that's all her parents used. They never used processed American food. Her brothers and sisters grew up with the same parents but only one sister of hers became as fixated on food as she did. Their mother is an excellent cook. Maybe that's why food became such an influence. But it goes beyond food. Only cotton or wool clothing, blankets, rugs, etc. Only natural things like wood, stone, slate in the home and no plastic.

I had a neighbor whose daughter was like that. Everything has to be "healthy." It seems to be more of a female thing, although I'm sure there are men like that, too. It seems to be a control issue. And I see it can be an age issue too -- a lot of aging boomers seem to get all organic when they retire. But the oldsters have the time and effort to do so. They don't have to spend 8-12 hours a day outside the home.

One can be as organic as one wants, but colonoscopies are what detect colon cancer.

[Quote] Shannen also had breast implants.

She did??

Yeah but if you're under 50 your chances of getting a colonoscopy are nil unless you are having digestive issues.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I need to say something to address those on this thread who are claiming that Shannen was/is a horrible person.

I have an ex that I was with for 4.5 years. His interior designer became a very close friend of ours, and she, in turn, was very close to Shannen.

We got to know Shannen and she was nothing but very nice to us and all of us who regularly gathered at each other's homes for dinner, or hit the LA social scene. This was about 15 years ago.

I no longer keep in touch with this group, since my ex and I broke up, and he no longer keeps in touch either because he eventually moved back to Manhattan. However, we spent plenty of evenings socializing and she was nothing but a sweetheart.

I really do wish her the best and I hope she will beat this and have a full remission.

Every time i see the name Valerie Harper my brain changes it to Valerie Malone.

R61 Yes, she got them while she was still on BH 90210. One of the tabloids said she wanted a more adult image and showed off her (then) new implants in the movie "Blindfold: Acts of Obsession".

I've heard about that movie but never seen it.

Actually she and Garth made peace awhile back. Not to mention the male cast members. It is Spelling that she is still on the outs with.

Garth and Spelling were no angels themselves. They were very cold and bitchy to new female cast members they felt threatened by. Tiffani Theissen, Emma Caulfield and Vanessa Marcil have publicly commented on this. Kathleen Robertson was rumored by have been treated badly as well, but I don't think she has ever talked about it publicly.

[quote] I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I need to say something to address those on this thread who are claiming that Shannen was/is a horrible person.

I'd like to second that, a good friend of mine is close to her current husband and has said numerous times that she's not a bad egg at all.

Why don't Tori and Shannen get along?

[quote] Garth and Spelling were no angels themselves.

I've always thought that despite Shannen's problems on 90210, that Garth was really the bigger bitch.

Nobody hates like a bitter gay man.

Isn't that right r3 ?

I had a boss who was a lunatic. He screamed and yelled at everyone and was allowed to get away with it because he brought a lot of wealthy patients into the hospital. He would humiliate interns, residents and nurses in front of patients and visitors. He gave people ulcers, he was so verbally abusive. We all used to joke and say things like, "He's going to give himself a heart attack and I'll step over him and keep on walking." Then someone would say, "Forget it, only the good die young." He also cheated on his sick wife with two or three women at a time.

His wife died and he dropped his old girlfriends and took up with a new, young girlfriend who was from the same socioeconomic and religious background. He married her and started a new family. He became a different person. He was happy, jovial, encouraging to others

And then, as we say on datalounge, he died.

He was diagnosed with cancer and died within a week of his diagnosis. He died in our hospital, with some of the nurses he'd humiliated at his bedside, trying to save him until it was too late.

None of us felt happy about it. He left behind a wife with two small kids. We knew she'd marry again and that the kids wouldn't really remember him because they were so young. But still. It was a shock and we didn't feel vindicated or anything. It was just sad.

She has been close with Holly Marie Combs for decades and no one ever has anything bad to say about her.

R73, I think being under such stress as he was putting himself under literally ate him up inside. Stress lowers the immune system. If you're screaming at people all the time you're creating stress for yourself.

I knew a woman who got cancer at age 40. She came from an incredibly traumatic background, her brother murdered their mother. Many other family members were very screwed up and she ended up separated from her family because every single one was a criminal or a lowlife. She was the only one that wasn't, but she was angry about it.

She tried very hard to come back from that background. She married but wouldn't have kids because of her background. After such a bad background, the last fifteen years or so were good until the cancer. She really remade herself, tried very hard to have good manners and act classy. But she still had a bad temper that would flash at inappropriate times. She was holding in a lot of anger most people knew nothing about, but I was a close friend and I knew.

I thought a few of the actors who guest starred implied that all 3 of them could be assholes and not just Shannen.

It's pretty common for guest stars and replacement cast members to feel a little dissed by the original cast. I've seen this come up with a lot of shows. The cast was together when the show became a hit, they all got famous and rich at the same time. Even if they don't always like each other, they have a bond because of that shared experience. It's hard for the new kids at school to fit in.

It's gross to see people implying she deserves it . My mom died of cancer and it's a horrible , messy ending.

Sure we all heard Shannen was a bitch back in the day , but she seemed to have mellowed out years ago . And I don't remember ever hearing she did anything just downright evil. I've heard numerous stories of Jennie Garth being a mega bitch , and some of those stories are fairly recent too!

I really hope Shannen can beat this .

Shannon and Tori. I believe they made up as well. Shannon showed up as "herself" in Tori's "Notorious". Then they worked together again in an episode of the 90210 reboot. Shannon has made up with most of the people she had fallings-out with. The only one she hasn't made up with (as far as I know) is Alyssa Milano.

No they didn't. Shannen and Jenny did the 90210 remake together but Tori didn't film any scenes with Shannen. Alyssa Milano said she has reached out to her.

Ugh, this thread just sent me into a panic attack. I just finished 6 months of chemo for colon cancer, Stage IIIB. In the back of my mind, I know it's going to come back at some point, but I'm trying my very best to not dwell on that otherwise I'll just be paralyzed. I'm very upset for and saddened by Shannen's condition. It's a really rough thing to go through.

As for the woman who wants to discontinue chemo and go holistic, it may sound crazy, but chemo is a really horrible thing and you really can't understand it until you've been through it. Not only the physical side effects, which are plentiful and worse than you think they'll be, but it does a number on your mental state. You become "Caner Person' and your life just stops and revolves around your disease and treatment. It's no way to live. If/when my cancer recurs, I would think twice about about going through chemo again. I'm certainly not sorry nor do I regret doing it, but my guess is that if the cancer comes back, it's only a matter of time, and I'd rather take that time and live as well as possible. But, of course, it's a very personal decision.

My father was terminally ill with no chance of getting better. One day a doctor pulled me aside and said the hospital could help him pass quietly and painlessly. I spoke with my dad (who still had all his marbles) about it and he was happy the pain would end so he was hooked up to a morphine drip and 12 hours later he passed quietly after being in a nice, deep sleep. Not a bad way to go. But I had no idea hospitals could do that sort of thing without getting sued up the ass.

At least she doesn't have fucking anal cancer!!

Have some of these people learned nothing from Steve Jobs's refusal to treat his cancer with actual medicine?

R81 I wish you well!!

r82 Yep, they sure can, they did it for my brother when he was dying of Cystic Fibrosis, he had asked to basically not wake up from this hospital stay as he was getting very ill so they turned up his morphine and he smiled and was gone soon after. My friend's 84 year old mother took a bad fall and was going to be paralyzed so she spoke with her GP about doing the same thing and the nurses gave her morphine all day for two days and when her son flew in, they upped the dose and that was that, very peaceful. I always wondered why I see some of these end of life/euthanasia things play out publicly, it's very easy to help your loved one along and not alert the media, most doctors are willing to help.

Don't count her out. CNN's Jill Dougherty went public with her breast cancer experience 15 years ago and she's just fine. The cancer had spread to some lymph nodes as well.

Thank you, R85 : )

Shannon has cancer cells that have been found outside the lymph nodes. She discussed this on one of the morning shows. She said that she doesn't want to know what stage her cancer is in because it would frighten her too much. So she is at least a stage 3, perhaps further.

Thanks for your long, informative and frightening post R52. We all have decisions to make for ourselves and sometimes others. You sharing your difficult experience will help someone else I promise you. You did your parents a great service, more than they could know. Your post helped me today too.

R81. Hugs and best wishes to you.

[quote] Shannon has cancer cells that have been found outside the lymph nodes. She discussed this on one of the morning shows. She said that she doesn't want to know what stage her cancer is in because it would frighten her too much. So she is at least a stage 3, perhaps further.

I would think she was Stage 4, as Stage 3 usually involves cancer in lymph nodes near the tumor, but I also thought it had already been determined that it had spread, but perhaps I was reading misinformation. I'm Stage 3B because my cancer spread to nearby lymph nodes (3 out of 20 tested).

R81 😘

I'm so scared of cancer. My mother died a horrible cancer death when I was a little girl. I always hope treatmemts are better now but it just sounds the same. Three cheers for morphine, though.

Stage 0 cancer

Often referred to as ‘in-situ’ cancer means the cancer cells are still in the place where they started and have not spread at all.

Stage 1 cancer

Is small and has only spread a little into nearby tissues. It has not spread to any lymph nodes or other body areas.

Stage 2 and 3 cancer

Means it is larger or has spread into nearby tissues or lymph nodes.

Stage 4 cancer

Has spread to other areas of the body. Stage 4 cancer is also called metastatic cancer or advanced cancer. See definition of metastasis.

I should have also mentioned, if you are terminal and expected to die within six months, if you refuse further hospital treatment you will be discharged and can go to hospice. They just need documentation from the hospital that you're dying and refuse further lifesaving treatment.

Anyone who's had a family member or friend in hospice would recommend it. You are made comfortable with painkillers and constant care, but the point of view there is completely different and they stop trying to push futile treatments on you. You can ask for more painkillers and they won't be stingy.

The nurses also tell you the truth there. When I went with my dad, they told me according to his medical records, he had been showing signs of irreversible dying since the first day he was in the hospital. The doctors lied for six weeks and put him through futile operations and treatments. Those nurses know dying when they see it.

If you think you may be terminal in the future, be reassured these people will respect your wishes and take good care of you. This spares your family from bearing the whole burden of your care on their own. I hope this reassures some people.

Hugs to R81.

The doctors were not lying R52. They were exploring other options and trying their best not to destroy the patient's or family's hope. That is part of their job. When a patient goes to hospice they are already dead, the disillusionment process has already begun. This is why you believed the hospice nurses to be more truthful.

No, they were lying. It turns out my dad was in total organ failure and his organs couldn't be saved, it was all of his major organs shutting down. He was in his eighties and was admitted to the hospital with a serious infection he'd gotten from another hospital the day before.

They tried to tell me putting in a pacemaker would cure him and he would be fine. Lie. He had many other pre-existing conditions and if you knew all the issues he had, you'd agree. His kidneys were failing before any of this. It was just his time.

I asked another doctor what the cause of death meant later. He said sometimes this just happens to old people, they get an illness and everything fails and nothing can be done. He called it "dying of old age."

[quote]Garth and Spelling were no angels themselves. They were very cold and bitchy to new female cast members they felt threatened by. Tiffani Theissen, Emma Caulfield and Vanessa Marcil have publicly commented on this. Kathleen Robertson was rumored by have been treated badly as well, but I don't think she has ever talked about it publicly.

I remember hearing about those actresses talking about that. I also wonder if Hilary Swank, Rebecca Gayheart or the actress who played Steve's wife were ever treated badly by Garth and Spelling.

[quote]No, she was organic in college. In fact, she was organic in high school. She's only 39. She worked on an organic farm right after college.

As everyone in the world (except your friend) already knows, "organic" produce provides zero added health benefits to anyone, even true believers. It's demonstrably worse for the soil and water table with the polluted run off water. with all the manure and sanctioned "organic" petroleum products which have been traditional pesticides/fertilizer for centuries. Does she ever think all that may have caused her cancer?

Sadly, she's just another magic thinker who will truly be shocked to keep getting sicker. Pseudoscience is deadly, or at least very disappointing.

[quote] But I had no idea hospitals could do that sort of thing without getting sued up the ass.

They simply put him on a morphine drip. He just happened to die 12 hours later. They didn't OD him. Morphine drips are strictly regulated. They are documented in a locked med cabinet, in a computer, in the drip device itself, in doctor's orders and in nurses notes. Any attempt to OD someone would be immediately stopped. No nurse would ever sign off on a drip that would purposely kill someone.

[Quote] I also wonder if Hilary Swank, Rebecca Gayheart or the actress who played Steve's wife were ever treated badly by Garth and Spelling.

Hilary Swank was fired from 90210 and Emma Caufield who played Brandon's girlfriend didn't seem to enjoy her time on the show either.

Have Phoebe go see if there's anything in the Book of Shadows.

No, OP. She's not going to make it. None of us are.

We all end up in a box in a hole in the ground. Get ready for it.

Before Shannen got sick her former Little House co-star Melissa Gilbert said if she ever saw Shannen again she would knock her lights out. Punch her in the face.

[R102] - Bullshit. Some end up in gorgeous cloisonne urns.

LOL R101.

[quote]Before Shannen got sick her former Little House co-star Melissa Gilbert said if she ever saw Shannen again she would knock her lights out. Punch her in the face.

Well at least, Shannen's financial problems didn't get as bad Melissa Shitbra's. Poor Melissa has to live in Michigan in a cabin.

[quote] Well at least, Shannen's financial problems didn't get as bad Melissa

Shannen was a smart businesswoman. when Aaron Spelling approached her to do Charmed, she was not about to get screwed over a second time from profit participation like she did on 90210. She negotiated to own a piece of the franchise. Everything from merchandising to DVD sales to royalties from repeats

Definitely a smart move on her part R107.

I actually watched "Charmed" for a few years. Dumbest show ever, but I enjoyed it.

I guess some gals just don't have what it takes.

My sister died of metastatic breast cancer in 2006. She didn't have any health insurance, so ignored symptoms. It burned through her like a wildfire. You tend to forgive, or at least ignore past actions. You see how they really aren't important and they don't justify such pain and horror and sadness.

[Quote] I actually watched "Charmed" for a few years. Dumbest show ever, but I enjoyed it.

You could say that about a lot of shows on the cw. I'll take it over some of the crap that comes out now. Though i do miss some of the ridiculous outfits Phoebe wore on the show lol.

Shannen has gone on records numerous times and insisted that she wasn't fired from 90210 but went to the producers and begged to be left out of her contract because "I didn't want to be on a soap opera anymore "

She was unhappy with the shows change from a family drama focusing on the Walsh family to a 90s ensemble nighttime soap opera .

R113 it didn't help matters she was constantly late holding up production. The entire cast went to Aaron Spelling in a block saying either she goes, or we go.

I'm glad the show went the soap opera route instead of being an after school special like season 1 was.

R51, your supervisor sounds like a complete. I hope she fucking gets cancer and shoves the mega doses of Vitamin C up her fat ass.

Nobody should have to endure a long painful dying process.

You won't make it either OP. No one does. The only question is when. I hope Shannen has some good years ahead.

I feel bad for anyone who is suffering from Cancer. But I firmly believe that people who thrive on drama are more likely to get cancer. Literally the body produces enzymes from stress and emotion that feed cancer cells. This is a fact, not my opinion.

R119 ,you speak truth . A dear friend of mine recently passed away from lung cancer (2 months from diagnosis to death) and she was one of the sweetest,most loving people you'd ever want to meet. BUT, her kids were a source of never ending drama and conflict and more than once I secretly suspected she thrived on it,though she swore she hated it all.

My father was dying of multiple ailments at age 77,and he wanted to die at home,so the hospice loaded us up with morphine and showed us how to inject him. The nurse stressed over and over that to give him more than x amount every few hours would lead to his death. Im convinced she told us that deliberately to let us know there could be a peaceful end to his suffering. After a day of his endless moaning and obvious deep pain,my mother was a basket case as were the rest of us,so we gave him an "extra" shot and a few hours later he went peacefully and pain free. I will forever be grateful to that nurse for letting us know there was an alternative,otherwise we'd have followed instructions to the letter like most people and he'd have had God knows how much more suffering to endure.

There is PAIN management, and there is also ANXIETY management. Two different things.

Why can't more be done for sick people in the area of anxiety meds? I've had nitrous oxide at the dentist's and it helps me not to mind any pain I might feel. It makes you high as a kite, but so what? if you had to deal with a life-threatening illness, why couldn't you get anxiety meds as an added tool?

If she were really financially stable would she have done those shitty for profit online college ads? I mean, come on.

My sociopath uncle got cancer and died. I was like YAY! Shanon would probably give someone else her cancer if it was possible. If god or whatever put most people in a room and said look you will get this cancer it's yours or you can make someone else suffer your cancer. Most people would have someone else be infected with their cancer if they had the choice. She probably got titty fucked by a guy with genital warts or something.

[quote]Shanon would probably give someone else her cancer if it was possible.

Any you wouldn't, asshole?

r103 You tell little cunt on the prairie I'm ready when she is!

It would if Melissa Gilbert died before Shannen and Val Harper.

I wish we all could be held accountable to way we acted 20-25 years ago. People evolve and people change.

No people generally don't change IMO.

"Shannen would probably give someone else her cancer if it was possible."

I would just place an ad on Craigslist under "free stuff". You'd be surprised how much of a response you can get.

[Quote] No people generally don't change IMO.

Or they do but only for a short period of time.

Shannen Doherty had debt issues several years back and had to go court. That said, she probably has better financial management skills than Tori Spelling and her fugly husband.

[Quote] That said, she probably has better financial management skills than Tori Spelling and her fugly husband.

That's a fact.

Please join the prayer circle tonight at 7:00. Check your local cable listings. God Bless !!

R133????

It's terrible and even if you survive the chemo, that in itself does so much damage. I think if I got a terrible cancer I wouldn't be a big heroic fighter, I would let it run it's course hopefully as painlessly as possible.

Too bad she's sick, but she is a nasty cunt. She rented my house in LA, stiffed me for a year, then claimed I hit on her ad sexually harassed her. Which pissed the hell out of my boyfriend. I say you get what you give.

Did anyone watch see Doherty on Chelsea Handler?

I really like her as an actress.

No i didn't. Was she funny?? I like Chelsea Handler but she doesn't seem to be everyone's cup of tea.

Almost the whole show was dedicated to a subdued interview with Shannen Doherty and her oncologist, who looked like a gay with a little too much work done and a haircut that better suited a millennial.

That distraction aside, it was a fairly solid show: all cancer talk with limited levity.

Lol at the description for the oncologist.

This site encourages bitchiness, but some of you people are...well, deplorable. I am so glad I don't know most of you. No one on Earth deserves to be ridiculed when she is fighting for her life. Your time is coming, too, and you're in for a bitter end if you treat people this way. For fuck's sake.

While this thread has some terrible comments. I'd say it's quite tame compared to some of the others.

R141 That's like defending a Trump speech in which he calls black women desperate whores because he didn't also say that David Duke should execute them. There aren't really incremental levels of soullessness.

Is Shannen simply Valerie Harper with a social media account?

What has she been up to lately?

What have Kelly Taylor and Donna Martin tweeted? Dylan?

I don't understand how she had a lawsuit against her managers for letting her healthcare lapse. She said that delayed her treatment.

Wouldn't you just be able to sign up for a new one under the ACA? I thought it elimanted pre existing conditions.

They have an enrollment period. There are some health care plans that are non ACA that you can probably sign up for at other times, but they don't cover pre-existing conditions. Basically, from around February or so until October you're screwed.

Baldy

Shannon had a very nice run, and we will all remember her many performances with great fondness. So don't be too sad! She's going to a better place now.

Still alive bitches! Thank God

She has stage IV breast cancer, which is incurable. She is terminally ill.

It was danced around at the time of her initial revelation, and was actually reported by one outlet (like People mag) as stage IV, but has since been hushed up.

She seems fine now in 2019

Marin Mazzie seemed fine in 2017.

Olivia Newton John seemed fine last year.

Death comes quickly with Stage IV breast/ovarian.

Olivia died?

Olivia will be dead in 6 months.

R155 God forbid!

I am surprised she outlived Luke Perry.

Jennie Garth has a heart condition. Yikes