Couldn't Rosemary's Baby be a midnight cult film?

There is an under taste. Nobody has used that word before or since. Why would a naive Midwestern girl use such a word?

A chalky under taste.

I think I hear the Trent sisters chewing.

Pain, be gone. I will have no more of thee.

Tannis, anyone?

I love this movie. It never ages or feels dated. A beautiful slice of mid-20th century life in NYC.

I'm beginning to believe that Drumpf IS Rosemary's Baby.

[quote]I think I hear the Trent sisters chewing.

Trench sisters, you lummox.

[quote] A beautiful slice of mid-20th century life in NYC.

God, you're weird.

I thought the creepiest part of the film was when she returned home with that book and in the kitchen, you could hear a tap dripping - then she pulls out that Scrabble box and uses the tiles to unscramble the names.

No, because Rosemary's Baby is a great film, not camp.

[quote]I thought the creepiest part of the film was when she returned home with that book and in the kitchen, you could hear a tap dripping - then she pulls out that Scrabble box and uses the tiles to unscramble the names.

The name is an anagram!

Rosemary: What have you done to him? What have you done to his eyes, you maniacs!

"She must have been cleaning windows and lost her hold".

He has his father's eyes!

Be quiet, you're in Dubrovnik, I can't hear you!

“Roman, bring me some root beer when ya come!"

"Awful things happen in every apartment house."

RB came out in '68. Sharon Tate was savagely murdered the following year. Coincidence? I think not.

The paint!

Also, why did Guy and Rosemary need to have such a production in order to have baby-making sex? I know why they had to for plot reasons, but she's the one who had to make all that shit. Same result if she'd tripped and landed on his dick.

Vodka Blush, anyone?

It was a bit of a midnight cult film....on TV. As a younger person, we always got together to watch it, with weed and beer, and pizza.

OP's picture represents most women's reaction to being hit on by Donald Trump.

Mia used to live near the Dakota. She and Woody could practically wave to each other across the park. And then she found . . . the pictures.

" As long as she ate the mouse, she can't see nor hear. Now sing."

Guy: What the hell is that?

Rosemary: I've been to Vidal Sassoon.

Guy: You mean you actually paid for it?

[quote]RB came out in '68. Sharon Tate was savagely murdered the following year. Coincidence? I think not.

Speaking of the Tate murder, one very creepy coincidence in the film is the scene where Rosmary's lying in bed half-asleep, and Minnie's voice penetrates her dream: as the camera pans across the bed, a book on the nightstand looks exactly like the paperback edition of "Helter Skelter",

Coincidentally I'll be seeing this on the big screen in less than a couple of weeks

people use the word undertaste all the time in my world, r1.

r3, agreed. It an excellent film. Its not really scary, though it has some tense moments but its haunting. And it just very well paced, directed, and acted.

There's always been a rumor that Sharon is in the young people party scene.

This is Julianne Moore's all time favorite movie. Seriously.

no OP, but that crap remake miniseries with zoe zaldana could be.

Mia is bitch.

Young Mia Farrow was truly beautiful btw.

Rosemary's Baby really didn't age that well. Sort of boring I think ...

"Oh, shut up with your 'Oh, God...' or we'll kill ya right now, milk or no milk!"

"He sounds like a sadistic nut!"

"All of them witches..."

"Unspeakable, unspeakable!"

"There's nothin' in it, just plain ordinary Lipton's tea. Now, drink it."

Mia has sort of an affected way of speaking in this film. Did she talk like that in all her films of that time?

Why isn't this movie on TV more often? It's not even on Netflix.

"Unspeakable." The definitive word for that which is so terrible it cannot be uttered. Use it a lot during this election.

"They're not coming within 50 feet of the baby." Don't know why but I always wait for this. Maybe because after this Guy becomes more and more of an asshole defending them without seeming like he's defending them. Rosemary should have noticed this sooner.

"It was kjnd of fun in a necrophile sort of way." How did he know THAT?! Ew.

R34, I know it's only an animated film, but she speaks the exact same way in THE LAST UNICORN.

I blame the mold / fungus in her charm. There was no Satan, no devil spawn. It's all a matter of her losing her mind (like Terry did) because of the mold / fungus in the charm.

R23 I always noticed that too - creepy!

“I told Sister Veronica about the windows and she withdrew the school from the competition…”.

R31 Young Mia truly beautiful? My god, whatever.. she was hella ugly and always has been

[quote]Mia has sort of an affected way of speaking in this film. Did she talk like that in all her films of that time?

Mia went to school in England, not many years earlier. The English accent hadn't worn off yet.

[quote] Young Mia truly beautiful? My god, whatever.. she was hella ugly and always has been

I think she was very pretty too. Many do.

On top of that she's a MAJOR- DL fave. MAJOR.

[quote]she was hella ugly and always has been

Nonsense.

Rosemary's Lullaby

R8 Why not? "The Exorcist" ran midnight shows for years in the 1970s and 1980s, and I don't consider that film camp.

Sometimes when I come into my own apartment, I do the whole Ruth Gordon routine, especially the walk, that she does when she sees Rosemary's remodeled apartment. I do it more often than I care to admit, in fact.

What did you pay for a chair like that, R48?

This is no dream!

I could definitely see it as a midnight cult film:

1) People dressed as Rosemary and Minnie.

2) Throwing fireball candy at the screen every time the words "devil" or "satan" are mentioned.

3) Scratch and sniff cards for tannis root.

Feel free to add your own.

[quote]One of those call-and-response things like Rocky Horror, where you yell out the lines and dress-up like the characters?

No because Rocky Horror was a musical which forced people out of their seats to dance and sing along.

In order to get what you describe, a show has to have a certain tone. Rosemary's Baby is too earnest in tone and there's no "camp" value that you can latch on to that would make it worth creating an audience responsive showing.

Now on the other hand, if you had two or three witty gay, you could really make a campfest out of The Exorcist.

Also, I thought the "Sing Along" genre would pick up more speed than it did. "Sing A Long Sound of Music" could be fun in that campy responsive way. I really think one of those movie theaters in Chelsea should start a musical midnight showing with the intention of audience participation.

[quote]Mia used to live near the Dakota. She and Woody could practically wave to each other across the park.

I know they used to tell this lie, but it's impossible to make out who a person is if you're on Central Park West and looking towards Fifth Avenue. Maybe Mia thought she was waving to Woody all those years, but it was probably Mai Fuk.

The Bad Seed would make a terrific midnight movie.

The obvious "Mommie Dearest" would really make a great audience response midnight movie.

I think Mommie Dearest already had one. I seem to remember that once Paramount saw the reaction it was getting, they started advertising the camp value.

I really think one of those movie theaters in Chelsea...

There's only one movie theater in Chelsea, r52, albeit with nine screens...

[quote]There's only one movie theater in Chelsea, [R52], albeit with nine screens...

Did they close that one west of 8th Avenue on 23rd Street? I can't remember the name of it.

I definitely feel it is campy.

I saw it 40 years after it was released, after being told what a terrifying classic it was.

I laughed my ass off.

"Hail Satan!"

[quote]I laughed my ass off. "Hail Satan!"

But those scenes are the only things that's campy. You can get some comedy out of Ruth Gordon's performance, but there's not a lot in between. Believe me, I've tried.

I used to sit around with friends and we'd watch movies and make stupid comments. Ro's Baby was always a difficult one, even with Mia Farrow being comedy gold.

This also brings up another point.

In the 1980s and prior, movie theaters used to run campy stuff like midnight showings. Was that because the managers were gay? I know the Waverly on 6th Avenue in NYC was run by a gay manager for a long time. I have a friend who worked there and had some funny stories.

I guess what I'm wondering is if AIDS knocked out all the gay men who would participate in this or are today's gays just not interested in a midnight audience participation campfest?

[quote]I guess what I'm wondering is if AIDS knocked out all the gay men who would participate in this or are today's gays just not interested in a midnight audience participation campfest?

There's also the immediacy of being able to stream movies. The only recent movie that has developed a culture of audience participation is The Room.

What amazes me is how many Dataloungers watched this film so many times and totally missed the part where you find out Terry was murdered by Laura Louise in a pre planned killing.

"Sometimes I wonder how come you're the leader of anything. Don't tell me what Laura Louise said. [bold] If you'd listened, we wouldn't have had to do this. [/bold]. We'd be all set to go now instead of starting from scratch. I told you not to tell her in advance! I told you she wouldn't be open minded. "

[quote]There's also the immediacy of being able to stream movies.

I think this has taken off more because it seems like audience members have become more rude and disinterested. I now wait and watch most movies at home because people don't seem to know how to behave at the movies. But I miss enjoying a film with a group of people who are there to watch the film and not sit in a dark room and text their friends.

Mia Farrow had a beautiful face, wonderfully symmetrical, reminds me a bit of Christy Turlington.

As a former actor, I always loved the fact that the man who gave his child to the devil for professional success was an actor, because it is totally true.

If they remake it (God, I hope not), Rosemary should be married to a politician.

A film that's very similar to Rosemary's Baby is Il Profumo Della Signora in Nero/The Perfume of the Lady in Black (1974)

No they don't r25. She should have said , "It tastes chalky," or "It tastes funny," not "There is an under taste." Nobody talks like that.

Maybe that's just how they talk in Omaha.

It's a fine city.

R8 I agree it was not camp.There was an aspect to it that was rather unsettling. Then again Clockwork Orange and 2001 weren't camp and became Midnight Movies. Barbarella became one and it was a tremendous campfest.

[quote] There is an under taste." Nobody talks like that.

I've said it. My mother said it. Just because you don't know the word doesn't mean other people don't. An undertaste is a very specific thing. It tastes ok at first, but then you detect something that seems off about it. You take another bite and it tastes ok -- then there it is again.

A chalky taste is just something that tastes like chalk. Nobody would swallow it, or at least not more than once.

[quote]An undertaste is a very specific thing. It tastes ok at first, but then you detect something that seems off about it. You take another bite and it tastes ok -- then there it is again.

I understand what you're saying r71. I've heard the term when people talk about diet soda. There's that sweetness followed by a metallic taste.

He was in LUTHER and NOBODY LOVES AN ALBATROSS.

Something that doesn't translate to people seeing it for the first time 40 years later --when Dr Saperstein tells Rosemary he will put her in a mental hospital, that was very true. In those days, a doctor could commit you, especially if your husband wanted to be rid of you. Many menopausal women were institutionalised by their husbands. The husband would tell the dr the wife is crazy, imagining it's very hot, taking her clothes off, being short tempered, refusing to have sex because it hurt. The dr would ask, "Do you take your clothes off because you imagine you are very hot? Do you feel very hot right now? Does sex hurt you so much that you won't perform your wifely duties?" Answer yes and bye bye.

And there was the suspense throughout the movie -- is she imagining it? Hutch wrote boys adventure books and was melodramatic. Maybe he put ideas into her head (as Guy later claims). Guy says, "For Christ's sake Ro, they're a bunch of lonely old people and you think what, they're devil worshippers?"

It does sound crazy. Plus she loses weight instead of gaining it during pregnancy. Could be psychosomatic. She gets up in the middle of the night to eat raw meat. That's weird. It could be that it is all in Rosemary's head. Dr Saperstein is a well respected dr and Rosemary runs to Dr Charles Grodin and tells him that she's being stalked by people who want to hurt her baby, and Dr Saperstein is the cult leader.

Back then, you really weren't sure if she was imagining things. Women were not yet liberated. Even 10 years after this film was made, women were being given Valium prescriptions for everything. Lots of women became addicted to tranquillisers that were given to them for real illnesses. Drs thought it was hysteria. In a book about infectious diseases written in the 80s, there was a story of a woman with labyrinthitus in the early 1960s who was referred first to a gynaecologist. The gynaecologist then referred her to a psychiatrist. They really believed she was imagining her crippling dizziness. It was a case of "hysteria" (a word meaning that imaginary illnesses were cause by a uterus).

Rosemary could have been crazy all along. It's not until the end that we find out she isn't crazy after all, but what good does it do her?

[quote]It's not until the end that we find out she isn't crazy after all

Oh, is that your take on the ending?

I feel like thrillers or suspense movies back then had a way of building it up. Like they start off as well crafted ordinary movies and thats what them even more haunting. Nowadays genre movies let you know what they are from the very beginning, with over the top antics and lazing writing. Its also the reason Sixth Sense works so well.

Rosemary's Baby seems like the prequel to Eyes Wide Shut.

[quote]Dr Saperstein is a well respected dr and Rosemary runs to Dr Charles Grodin and tells him that she's being stalked by people who want to hurt her baby, and Dr Saperstein is the cult leader.

Don't say that. It's not fair to Saperstein. Grodin is Charlie Nobody.

Dr Grodin should have been a little more Jew-wise.

As is usual in movies, Ro has no friends - I mean apart from the rent-a-crowd that turn up to her party and then disappear again & BTW, Ro does not seem to me to be the type of gurl who hangs with the kids from 'The Warhol Factory'.

So of course when things get difficult >>> NO ONE <<< not even a brother or sister - apart from creepy Hutch and we all know what happens to him.

[quote]Dr Grodin should have been a little more Jew-wise.

What does that mean? Do you even know?

>>>>>

I love the way in those days that they sent someone to the set to make a short promo documentary.

[quote]So of course when things get difficult >>> NO ONE <<< not even a brother or sister - apart from creepy Hutch and we all know what happens to him.

I know, right? When I was dating Aidan, there was nobody there for me to turn to when it all went tits up.

r82, this type of satanic activity is very real, even if the devil isn't. The founder of the Church of Satan was a Jew, as was the author of the novel Rosemary's Baby, which was written 1 year after the founding of Church of Satan. As was the director of Rosemary's Baby, Roman Polanski, who hung around with a satanic crowd in London and LA.

Jewish mysticism is basically Jewish satanism.

Poo Shoes has entered the building

Anyone who loves this era and movies from this time should see Petulia.

In Eyes Wide Shut the ringleader was Victor Zeigler, a German Jew played by Sydney Pollack, the Jewish director who was an Israeli spy/operative in real life.

In the book Rosemary has a sister who calls her somewhat regularly and who has a premonition that something is wrong. Her two roommates who rented from Hutch played more of a part in the book as well. She goes to the theatre with Elise, one of her former roommates who shows up briefly in the party scene in the film and who Rosemary attempts to reach before being caught by Saperstein in the film. She and Guy socialize with and have dinner with friends their own age IIRC

Rosemary is from a large catholic family in the book and there is some resentment that she has married a Protestant. The family doesn't like Guy for being Protestant and he dislikes them and seeks to alienate Rosemary even more from her family.

In the McMartin Preschool case, it was a Jewish prosecutor who decided to basically shut down the investigation, refusing to press charges against the wider circle of abusers, despite dozens of the children having physical evidence of sexual abuse and even STDs.

Tell me this doesn't sound like Rosemary's Baby type stuff:

"The CIA created a front group called The False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) to debunk, ridicule, and defame victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse, pedophilic sexual abuse, and CIA cult mind control activities. The board members of FMSF reads like a Who’s Who of CIA contractors and “consultants”."

"The following excerpt is a letter concerning the McMartin investigation. It was written by Sergeant Beth Dickerson of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and sent to Agent Kenneth Lanning at the FBI Academy’s Behavioral Sciences Unit in Quantico, Virginia, dated February 10, 1985:

In all, the victims named seven teachers (six women and one male) at the preschool as having molested them. Also named are about 30 other individuals still uncharged, as well as numerous unidentified ‘strangers.’

Most children state they were photographed in the nude… They mention drinking a red or pink liquid that made them sleepy… Children disclose animal sacrificing (bunnies, ponies, turtles, etc.) and some of this occurred in churches. Victims describe sticks put in their vaginas and rectums and also being ‘pooped’ and ‘peed’ on. Children say that the adults sometimes dressed in black robes, formed a circle around them and chanted.

These children talk of strangers coming to the school and molesting them, being taken off campus and molested, being photographed nude and some talk of animals being abused. The children talk of being hit with sticks and of being ‘peed’ and ‘pooped’ on…"

She says "Shut up!" not "Be quiet", R13. I always thought it was funny that the ever polite Rosemary is telling folks to shut up by the end of the film.

Ok, time to FF the Jew hating troll. She won't ruin this thread with her insanity.

McMartin Jew, one of many key witnesses to die right before trial:

"The suspect known by the children as “Wolfman”, was Robert Winkler. The kids described Winkler as being a frequent visitor to the school, who oftentimes delivered drugs for use in abusive rituals, which were sometimes conducted in churches, a cemetery, or a crematorium. The “Wolfman” turned up dead on the eve of his trial, allegedly of a drug overdose."

Jimmy Savile was all wrapped up in the satanic ritual abuse stuff:

Arch Paedophile Jimmy Savile was a devout Zionist and an Israel supporter

Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies.

Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada.

Hmmmm, is the anti-Semite in here for real??? Good Lord. Give it a rest, will ya?

John Lennon was so enchanted by Rosemary's Baby that he immediately took Mia Farrow's sister to India, and wrote a song about her, Dear Prudence. Then he and Yoko moved right into the Dakota.

I bet Yoko is a real witch.

[quote]John Lennon was so enchanted by Rosemary's Baby that he immediately took Mia Farrow's sister to India, and wrote a song about her, Dear Prudence. Then he and Yoko moved right into the Dakota.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The film hadn't even been released yet.

& they had already been there two weeks when the Beatles arrived.

footage recorded from outside of the skull and bones society at yale.

The CIA was created mostly with Skull and Bones men. A secret society based on the occult.

Bohemian Grove (Human Sacrifice) caught on tape

Here's the scene in The Good Shephard where Matt Damon gets ritually pissed on in his Skull and Bones initiation, just like the children of McMartin and elsewhere.

Come on, I need more support for "under taste." That line almost ruined the movie.

[quote]As is usual in movies, Ro has no friends - I mean apart from the rent-a-crowd that turn up to her party and then disappear again

Thank you R90 for pointing out that ROSEMARY did have more support in the book and the Elise character played by EMMALINE HENRY in the film was about 15 years older. HENRY is best remembered for playing Mrs. Bellows ('Amanda') on tv's I DREAM OF JEANNIE.

In fact in the scene where the cult has broken into the apartment and are about to induce the baby to be born it's Elise who calls while their holding down Rosemary. Guy lies and tells Elise that he'll have Rosemary cal her back.

[quote]that Sharon Tate is shown in the party scene

Apparently, SHARON was present in the scene while it was filmed but she is NOT in any of the shown footage. SHARON did visit ROMAN in NYC during filming in the summer of '67. There are photographs of her visiting. She also did a pictorial shoot for ESQUIRE MAGAZINE while there that we featured in their December 1967 issue.

Some say the film is antisemitic because most of the devil worshippers are Jewish.

POLANSKI is a jew

[quote]Some say the film is antisemitic because most of the devil worshippers are Jewish.

Clara was Jewish? Did Andy know?

Another problem I had with RB was the casting of John Cassavetes as a struggling young actor. He should have been cast as a thoroughly pretentious filmmaker enamored by the New York Times who ground out insulting versions of "The Emperor's New Clothes. "

[quote]Another problem I had with RB was the casting of John Cassavetes as a struggling young actor.

Who can afford to rent that great big place and tart it up from top to toe.

The girl that Rosemary befriends in the laundry room, the former junkie the Castevets take in.. Terry Gionoffrio? Her committing suicide by throwing herself off the building. Nice first ominous touch there.

[quote]Who can afford to rent that great big place and tart it up from top to toe.

Rent control, dahling.

[quote]Another problem I had with RB was the casting of John Cassavetes as a struggling young actor.

POLANSKI had envisioned TUESDAY WELD & ROBERT REDFORD for Rosemary and Guy.

Fun pic of Mia at the London premiere....you'll need to click on it to see it properly. Sharon's just behind her etc..

R115

That's also PETER SELLERS on the far right. IAN QUARRIER who played the platinum blond gay vampire in THE FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS is next to SHARON and the black lady is the late DONYALE who was a big model back then (in Europe). IAN & DONYALE dated for some time.

That photo was actually at the showing at The Cannes Film Festival - as was this>>

Who is that in the row behind wearing the sunglasses?

r114, I thought it was Jane Fonda.

[quote]and the black lady is the late DONYALE who was a big model back then (in Europe). IAN & DONYALE dated for some time

Donyale Luna - the first black woman to be on the cover of Vogue, in 1966.

Ruth Gordon wins the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress. I love the way she sashays up to the podium.

[quote]Ruth Gordon wins the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress.

Right. & Mia didn't even get nominated. Weird. Wonder if it had anything to do with her divorce from Frank Sinatra.

Mia, Cassavetes and Sidney Blackmer should all have been nominated.

Most of all, Mia - others weren't THAT special.

[quote] Tannis, anyone?

Did someone call me?

I' no Mia fan, but I think she is well cast in this role, esp as the film progresses. After she cuts her hair, she looks like a little baby duckling, tottering around in that little dress. She had a perfect 60s look. She has no boobs, and that waiflike look underscores Rosemary's suspicion, fear and physical illness. I like Tuesday Weld a lot, but she's so luscious and sexy--she'd be a different Rosemary altogether.

Cassavetes I love. LOVE. That sinister and devilish face. He's perfect. Redford, I think, would have been creepier in a different way, esp given his golden boy looks at the time.

The whole film holds up well too, IMO. Like THE GRADUATE, it has such an interesting look...great interiors, authentic outdoor sequences.

Stay where you are; it hurts less when I move.

[quote]I like Tuesday Weld a lot, but she's so luscious and sexy--she'd be a different Rosemary altogether.

Yeah, but in the book, Rosemary is this cornfed Midwestern woman. She's not waif-y Mia.

Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine anyone else in the role.

I knew them. At least, out of the five people killed in the Tate house that night, I knew four of them. I’d met Sharon Tate at the Cannes Film Festival. Jay Sebring cut my hair a couple of times. I’d had lunch once in San Francisco with Abigail Folger and her boyfriend, Frykowski. In other words, I’d known them independently of each other. And yet one night there they were, all gathered together in the same house waiting for your friends to arrive. Quite a coincidence.

I was there too! In the party scene. I gave the camera my best satanic look.

This is an especially good documentary about Polanski from 2011. A friend of his interviewing him about his life. I've bookmarked at Rosemary's Baby - but the whole thing is worth watching.

...oops, no, that's the part about Sharon Tate's murder - sorry. I felt sure there's more about Rosemary's Baby in that documentary, but I can't find it. As I said, the whole thing's worth watching.

IT WAS THE MOLD IN THE CHARM, I TELLS YA...............................

Her poor friend Hutch...he was gay, wasn't he? And the devil worshippers killed him because...why? They were afraid he'd find them out? What did they think he could do about it? Go to the police and say "there's a young friend of mine who is being menaced by some devil worshippers who intend to impregnant her with Satan's spawn?" If he'd done that then HE was the one who would have been carted off to the insane asylum. I really didn't see a really good reason for the killing of poor Hutch.

[quote] ergot kernels are really obvious when you look at pictures of them. They're usually larger than the grains they infect and they're black. But they were so common in rye that, until the 17th Century, they were even included in botanical drawings of the rye plant because people thought they were a part of rye. That's how common they were.

Well, if they were so common that people thought they were part of the plant, then why wasn't everybody up until the 17th century tripping?

R135, really? Hutch would have removed Rosemary from the clutches of the satanists if he'd been allowed to live. Rosemary trusted Hutch.

Roman was immediately aware that Hutch was smart and well read -- Hutch never heard of tannis root and showed that he was very familiar with botany. The tannis smelled like a fungus to hutch. He became suspicious of these elderly people plying Rosemary with herbal drinks and having her wear a smelly fungus around her neck. Hutch noticed that Roman had pierced ears. Hutch knew the apartment house's colorful history.

Roman saw that Hutch was suspicious. That's why he called Guy away from the set Guy was working on.

They'd already had to kill Terry when she found out what they were up to. Roman didn't want anything to interfere with this plan - Rosemary was already pregnant with the devil's spawn. They couldn't let anyone or anything get in their way.

R136 Remember Hutch smelt the fungus, and he soon died. Rosemary and Terry were the other two who came in contact with the fungus - Rosemary loses her mind (which gets even worse when she doesn't take her medication, and Terry jump out of a window).

Hutch's role in the film is to flag that it is a fungus, rather than merely being a 'herb'.

Mia was positively beautiful on Peyton Place with her long blonde hair. When she cut is all off, yeah not so much.

The Rosemary's Baby blu ray is worth getting. Criterion.

And here OP is the answer to your question. RB can't be a midnight cult classic because too many people want to be Siskel and Roeper.

Terry didn't jump out of a window. The coven threw her out the window.

Devil worshippers wouldn't throw a street urchin out a window.

I thought Terry jumped out the window when she found out she was supposed to be Satan's bride. There was something like that on the old soap opera "Dark Shadows." Josette DuPres was in love with Barnabas Collins. The jealous witch had him turned into a vampire. He still loved her and wanted her for his bride but when she found out what she would be if she married him (a blood sucking vampire) she threw herself off Widow's Hill, committing suicide rather than being transformed into a vampire.

R141 Are we sure they did? I just like putting the alternative spin onto accepted plots. It's interesting rewatching films with a different plot in mind. I think the mold theory does make sense if you accept she is losing her mind. The notion of what is a dream and what is life is a strong theme in the movie - that's why I think the dream sequence of her being on the boat doesn't fit in with the witchcraft theme. It seems to be rather out of step with the witchy element. But if you put that dream sequence in the perspective of the mold theory, it makes sense. Anyhow.

Terry wasn't open-minded, as Minnie later complained. She jumped.

One of my favorite small touches in this movie is when we see the smoke suggestive of hell fire curling around the corner from where Roman is giving his pitch to Guy.

Another is when Rosemary uses the kitchen knife to stop the motion and noise of the rocking lace covered cradle.

What I didn't understand is how the hell Guy could afford that apartment when he was a struggling out of work actor. That place was huge. And they must have spent a fortune redecorating it. Rosemary said that chair cost $300 if I remember correctly. If you put that into an inflation calculator, in today's terms that would be about $2,000. For 1 chair. How could he afford all of that if he was just doing commercials??

R147 New York apartments were still relatively affordable in 1967. And that place was supposed to be something of a dump, even though it was partly filmed at the high-end Dakota.

"Is God dead?

The Death Of Composer Krzysztof Komeda:

Hurry- only two left.

"As a former actor, I always loved the fact that the man who gave his child to the devil for professional success was an actor, because it is totally true."

He wasn't the baby's father, unless you're going with the mold insanity theory.

Another "undertaste" supporter here. It was a common term when and where I grew up (70s and 80s, rural Ohio).

The poet Rainer Maria Rilke said this:

"Once there was a God. Now there is no God. Someday there will be a God again."

I interpreted this to mean that God only exists as a belief. If you believe, then God exists. If you don't, then there is no God. That made sense to me. God is only "dead" if you don't believe in Him.

I just watched it again. When Rosemary is sitting in Dr. Saperstein's office waiting to see him - reading "Is God Dead" Time magazine - it looks like one of the other patients who smiles at her is Penny Marshall. But I didn't see her name in the credits.

And her reading "Yes, I Can." FRom her choice of words it's clear she rarely reads anything besides The New Yorker.

Any behind the scenes gossip?

I always felt so sorry for her poor gay friend Hutch. He tried to warn her about the devil worshippers and ends up getting killed by them. I always found his death to be the most disturbing thing in the film.

R157 I had no idea Hutch was gay, am I the only one who didn't catch that? And yes, I also felt bad for him.

Must I bring up the undertaste again? I notice "undertaste" currently has a red underline.

I'd like to see it remade as "Rose#MeToo's Baby",

"He has his Father Harvey's eyes."

[italic]It never ages or dated[/italic]

I agree.

R160 r161 thanks for making me laugh ,I have had a shit week

R160 great idea! Rose can be the star, with a shaved head rather than a pixie cut. Her nemesis Alyssa Milano can play a member of the wicked coven. Meryl Streep for Ruth Gordon role (even though I still love Meryl ) . Now who will be Guy?

[quote]I always felt so sorry for her poor gay friend Hutch. He tried to warn her about the devil worshippers and ends up getting killed by them. I always found his death to be the most disturbing thing in the film.

Hutch was kind of queeny, but he had a ladyfriend. She's the one who gives Rosemary the book after his funeral.

[quote]Hutch was kind of queeny, but he had a ladyfriend

Fag hag.

James Franco as Guy.

Yes, I agree, OP.

I found the movie to be campy and hilarious. Especially the boisterous chants of "Hail Satan!" in high-key lighting.

I saw this movie for the first time in the 21st century; long after it could have disturbed anyone.

[quote]I've heard the term when people talk about diet soda. There's that sweetness followed by a metallic taste.

No you haven't r72. What you've heard people say is what you wrote: "This Diet Pepsi has a metallic taste." You've never heard anyone sayd: "This Diet Pepsi has an undertaste." I'm a motherfucking lyrical wordsmith, and I should know.

Maybe it was in the Levin novel, and Polanski picked it up in the screenplay.

One of the weird things about the Guy character is he wasn't actively malicious. He really just didn't see the big deal about what he did.

R71...I have said 'aftertaste'...to me though, these are two separate things...an aftertaste appears moments after tasting something, while an undertaste would suggest something that someone is trying to mask with another flavor...totally on point with the plot of RB.

Cum has an aftertaste. Ass has an undertaste.

If you're eating ass with a chalky undertaste, you have bigger problems.

[quote]Maybe it was in the Levin novel, and Polanski picked it up in the screenplay.

If it's in the screenplay, it's from the novel. Polanski didn't realize he could change the story, so a lot of it is lifted straight out of the book.

r148, Rosemary and Guy move into the Brahm in either late August or early September 1965.

Monsters

Not. fair. ...TO SAPERSTEIN?!

You’re pregnant! (love the sense of wonder and happiness in her voice)

Your neighbor Minnie has a herb garden. I’m going to have her make you a daily shake that will be more nutritious than any store bought vitamin...(the candor of his voice is so salesman slick)

God bless Dr Hill (again, her hopeful naïveté gets me. This part of the movie makes me so tense. You can sense dread and it’s so crushing when he betrays her).

Yer eeyvil! Yer weitches! Yer WEEITCHEZ!!!(I could play this on repeat to some of my co-workers)

Girls only. No men allowed!

What’s in it?

Oh, snips and snails and puppy dog’s tails.

And tannis root?

Yeah, a little of that...

I’m going to throw s party. Nobody over the age of 60 is allowed!

Whatarya havin’ a party or sumpin?

Sort of. A get together with some old friends we haven’t seen in ages.

I’ll help.

Thank you, but I can manage and we’re hiring a caterer.

Well at least let me help you clean up the place.

Now Minnie, I’ll have no more of this. You’re acting like a mother hen, now scoot!

John Cassevettes was so hot.

I was bitten by a mouse.

R176 wasn't there some friction between him and Polanski on set? I vaguely recall Polanski making derogatory remarks about him years later.

"Hello, Dr. Sapierstein . . . "

I wonder if John and Mia had an onset affair, I think she divorced after filming

Was Casavettes into the gay sex?

Isn't it spelled "Sapirstein?"

"aftertaste" is the right word; it's in Webster's

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My advice is------John Cassavetes's Fices!

R185 supposedly Polanski thought Casdavetes was a terrible director. I don't know why but there was some sort of rivalry between them. I believe both were talented although they made very different types of films.

They were living off Guy's Honda commercial residuals. In the book I think Guy was a regular on a soap opera.

r185, bully for Polanski! Cassavetes's movies were horribly pretentious, loved by the critics and hated by the public. I wish they had cast him in RB as a pretentious director instead of an actor.

R188 hmm I had heard good things about them from critics and was thinking of blind buying a criterion collection .

R188 though I do agree that the character would have made FAR more sense as an aspiring director or playwright. He just has that "vibe ". I believe both leads were perfectly cast but I would have changed that one thing .

"When I think what they spend on robes and jewels!!!"

Was cassavetes gay bi or straight?

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