Poll: Sanders gaining on Clinton in California

Bernie Sanders is going to be the next president of the United States.

Is California winner take all? No. Essentially splitting the delegates is not enough! Do u need thread for every new poll?

Not *every* new poll, R2, but I am the Poll Troll.

It's my job to post a lot of polls. ;)

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Meanwhile, the new Emerson poll shows Clinton ahead of Sanders by 18 points in New York, instead of 48 earlier in the year.

So both polls show Sanders narrowing the gap.

However, these polls were taken before Sanders' "Hillary is not qualified" controversy, so it's possible he could lose momentum.

I hope he is not. He has no more idea than Trump how to be President. He just has more or less the right views on the issues, if not an idea or a plan on how to achieve any of them.

I'm voting for Hillary, but I am disappointed at how LITTLE grassroots outreach her campaign is doing.

Just in the last week, I've been called twice by the Sanders campaign, from people phone-banking, and have seen their volunteers set-up booths at public events to try and woo voters. Nothing from Hillary (yet)....

Unless Sanders is up by double digits nothing really changes.

Let's wait to see how NYS does.

I live in San Diego, and I've seen about 50 Sanders bumper stickers and only 1 Hilary sticker so far this year. It seems like the Sanders supporters have more enthusiasm.

I think they are more vocal about their support, R9. That's been the case since the beginning.

But you know that saying: "Still waters run deep". That's why Clinton overwhelmingly leads Sanders in popular vote.

R2... Don't screw with the poll troll or the wrath of DL will come down upon you.

Thank you, poll troll. Was this before or after the disastrous Sanders Daily News interview? Also, polls narrow the closer you get to an election.

[quote]I live in San Diego, and I've seen about 50 Sanders bumper stickers

I live in LA and I've only seen two, three Sanders stickers. And I drive a lot.

[quote]Was this before or after the disastrous Sanders Daily News interview?

The Field Poll for California was conducted between March 24 & April 4, so it was completed before the Daily News interview, and before the recent Sanders controversy that "Hillary is not qualified" to be President.

Perhaps we will see a new poll next week for California (& New York) that measures whether Sanders has a lost any momentum as a result of this week's events.

Hillary is bought and paid for. If that's not a deal breaker, then I don't know what is.

Still voting for the DEMOCRAT on the ballot in November !

Not into the in party fighting AT ALL.

Really R12-- where in LA? The westside is a sea of Sanders stickers as are east side neighborhoods like Loz Feliz and Silver Lake.

A travesty really. The idiots who vote for Sanders deserve President Trump or Cruz.

Sanders easily beats both Trump and Cruz in every poll, r17. Like, by a lot. By more than Hillary. But you knew that.

But if she loses, R18, then I don't get hear them say "Madame President" and that would be tragic.

[quote] Sanders easily beats both Trump and Cruz in every poll, [R17]. Like, by a lot. By more than Hillary. But you knew that.

Sanders has not been touched by the Republican smear machine. Like, at all. Unlike Hillary. But you knew that.

What r20 said. But you knew that.

All I knew is that I needed more sun.

If all it takes to ruffle Sanders feathers is a New York Daily News interview, then R18 should be worried that he's never been tested. Hillary has put up with a couple of decades of attacks plus the ones coming from Sander's babies who have no idea about context and she's still standing. One flubbed interview has Sander's reeling for a week. Bad sign how he would hold up against the GOP attacks. I'd rather take my chances with Clinton any day.

A slight narrowing is to be expected in these "I'm crazy mad" times, but Sanders' determination to commit political suicide by insulting Clinton, lying over and over about her statements, misstating his own positions, showing his lack of knowledge of the system and how government works, lying about the Vatican "inviting me" to speak - he's gone over the edge and the polls will catch that up by the time he gets his nasty, sweaty head handed to him in New York.

Anyone else notice that the Hillbots hatred of Bernie on DL seems to rise in proportion to how well he's doing with the general public? Winning 7 of the last 8 primaries has certainly raised the level.

A friend of mine thinks it's because DL's Hillbots have social media peer groups who are all Bernie supporters and so they're embarrassed to post about her on Facebook or Twitter because they get shut down on there. So they come to DL where they find other Hillbots and can let their Hilla-rage out anonymously.

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Here's what you need to know. Hillary needs to get 36% of the votes in the rest of the primaries & caucuses to win enough delegates to secure the nomination. Bernie needs 77%. That's all you need to know. She is leading in the popular vote by a margin of 2.6 million. Trump is in second place with the popular vote. Bernie is third.

Right now, She needs less than 700 delegates to secure the nomination. Bernie needs more than 1,000.

The people of California need to take a closer look... and realize Bernie is not Presidential, does not have the coattails necessary to win back Congress, and has no real plans for implementing his grand vision, no real idea how, nor any idea of the consequences.

After his disastrous NY Daily News interview, his support should be going DOWN.

HIllary needs to do better with women and with latinos. She is getting the majority, but she needs a wider margin within those demographics.

It's so cute to watch the Hillbots defend their special snowflake.

It will be even cuter to watch the Bernie supporters implode when he doesn't get the nomination, R30.

Bernie supporters really do live in a delusional bubble, just like tea-party types do... divorced from reality and from even the most basic facts.

I can't wait for this primary season to be over. Bernie has money and he gets attention, so even if he loses the delegate contests he will keep campaigning and playing the tease making his people believe that he might challenge Hillary at the convention. Trust me. Bernie will be a trouble maker right until the last minute threatening an insurgency at the convention, then threatening third party unless they meet his demands. He will absolutely NOT relinquish the spotlight. Letting go will be as hard for him as for his supporters. Just wait.

He's the guy who invites himself t your party, then stays until you shut the lights, put on your PJs and hand him his hat.

[quote]Not into the in party fighting AT ALL.

Blame the independent candidate who decided to use the democratic party for his own selfish interests, only to trash it to boost his own profile. The same one who wanted to primary a democratic president in 2012.

Staunch democrats have every right to be disgusted that he's calling Clinton not qualified and dragging her through the mud, but treating Trump and the Republicans with kid gloves.

[quote]Blame the independent candidate who decided to use the democratic party for his own selfish interests, only to trash it to boost his own profile. The same one who wanted to primary a democratic president in 2012.

Why would you blame the man who is the only Democratic candidate running a clean campaign? He is bringing awareness to the DNC and massively increasing voter turnout. Not only that he has contributed significant amounts of cash to downticket Democratic races!

Because Bernie ISN'T a Democrat, he never HAS been, and she shouldn't be running as one.

And why Bernie supporters know it's Bros B4 Hos, Trump B4 Chump, Cruz B4 Flooz

Because once Bernie is out of the race, it's just 3 Rethugs and we'll go for the ones who are honest about who they are.

[quote]Anyone else notice that the Hillbots hatred of Bernie on DL seems to rise in proportion to how well he's doing with the general public?

I wouldn't use the word hatred, but I certainly get incredibly frustrated that so many people are so enthusiastic about a candidate who is wholly unable to implement any part of his campaign platform. He may as well be offering everyone a free house.

The latest thing from the Sanders crowd is that incremental change is a bad thing. This is stupidity of the highest order and I have a low tolerance for stupidity when it's what got us President Bush.

Wasn't that Obama's theme as well, R38, you know Hope and Change. Or did you not like Obama either?

I don't think 60% of her supporters view him favorably anymore. Lost me.

Bernie is a fraud and I really get a kick out of these fools who want to canonize him. Did you know his wife is making money off the toxic waste dump in Texas where Bernie legislated Vermont's toxic nuclear waste be sent? You know he voted against immigration reform then went on Lou Dobbs to rant about protecting American jobs and American workers. Except two years later when he had the chance to protect American workers he voted against the Auto industry rescue package. He tried to sabotage the Affordable Care Act and he'll scrap it it he's elected. He voted FOR Wall Street deregulation and for the Iraq War. Anyone with half a brain working can see he is mentally unstable. You know he told reporters today that "Of course Hillary is qualified!" then he laughed as if it was a ridiculous question and lectured the reporters about not talking issues. He's nuts.

And 82% of Wisconsin Democratic primary voters under 30 supported him.

She's lost an entire generation for the Democrats. They are all going to vote for Trump.

She will win them over in time for the general election, and she will be a wonderful President and they will love her. Hillary will do everything she can to reach out to them YOu watch. She is a very inclusive person and she will work hard to prove herself.

Sorry R43. Nothing she can say will win us over. Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire and all that.

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[quote]Hillary is bought and paid for. If that's not a deal breaker, then I don't know what is.

Which of her Senate votes were paid for? During her years in the Senate, Clinton's and Sanders' votes were identical 93% of the time, yet 40 of Bernie's fellow Senators refuse to endorse him, and have endorsed Hillary! Hillary has been raising money for fellow Democrats for 20+ years and Bernie has announced to his "fellow" Democrats that he "will see" about supporting any Democrat other than himself. Hmmmm? I wonder who will be going out on a limb for a President Sanders? No one. Own the facts magical thinkers.

She's losing Latinos by 30%

She's a DINO

Repressive Arab regimes LOVE her and donate millions to her campaign

See what I mean? R35 actually believes Bernie is running a clean campaign.

I just have to shake my head and laugh at these naïve assholes.

This relentless "Hillary's whole campaign is supported by Wall Street!" is a tiresome lie. Hillary also has millions of small money donors. The Bernie people are so happy to all be walking on water and turning water into wine! Why bother talking about facts. Buncha smarmy assholes. Mary Poppins, I mean Bernie Sanders- Practically perfect in every way!

A regular Betsy Ross

She loves her some Henry K

[quote]Which of her Senate votes were paid for? During her years in the Senate, Clinton's and Sanders' votes were identical 93% of the time

Duh! The other 7%.

Henry K was her mentor

[quote]She's losing Latinos by 30%

R53, Hillary is leading with Latinos, although her lead has narrowed.

Henry K was her mentor

Weapons dealer

[quote]Anyone else notice that the Hillbots hatred of Bernie on DL seems to rise in proportion to how well he's doing with the general public?

I thought of him as a harmless nuisance until the NY Daily News interview and the speech when he called Clinton "unqualified". I was shocked by the interview - never in a million years would I have expected such lack of information and knowledge on his part - and disgusted by the slimy way in which he and his team (his wife included) dealt with the fact that they were caught lying.

Not according to Marist poll, Poll Troll R62: "Sanders also has a wide lead, about 30 points, over Clinton among Latino voters"

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So authentic!!!

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Entitled

Pope jokes already

Why is the BernieBro spamming this thread? The Pope meme is especially funny considering he didn't actually invite Sanders and won't even be meeting with him.

An atheist and a Pope walk into a bar room.....

Most polling shows Hillary & Bernie very close among Latino voters.

The 30-point lead for Sanders in the one above seems at odds with all the others.

To explain to you, in simple words and pictures, why he is gaining on her and why she is such a flawed candidate, R73

And because this R73

[quote] The Field Poll for California was conducted between March 24 & April 4, so it was completed before the Daily News interview, and before the recent Sanders controversy that "Hillary is not qualified" to be President. Perhaps we will see a new poll next week for California (& New York) that measures whether Sanders has a lost any momentum as a result of this week's events.

The problem is that the Slandernistas -- like the Trump supporters -- don't really care about any of that. La la la la la. He may be a lunatic, but he's their lunatic, and the facts be damned.

Someone sounds VERY worried.

Millions of voters want something very different from the past 12 years. George Bush got us into the war, and Obama was too far to the left. People are looking for something beyond politics as usual. So, there's an extreme on the Democrat side, and an extreme on the Republican side, both of whom are doing well. No surprise. Except to pundits and other people who have been ignoring middle class Americans.

The vetting on that old fossil is just beginning.

Tax returns please. It won't matter by the June when California votes. She will be the nominee by then. After tomorrow, all he has is Oregon in over a month!

Unqualified? More like unhinged.

Ah yes. By the June.... that time every four years when California votes. I remember it fondly... But the June.

^ By the June (not But the June).

I hate autocorrect to deeply.

^so deeply

It's really messing with me now.

That spell check is doing a number tonight!

I just know it thatl HILLARY will WIN CA no matter what!

It is so funny to see the Freepers and Kochpuppets masquerading as Sanders spin doctors.

Jesus could part the clouds, descend from Heaven and say,"This is Hillary, with whom I am well pleased," and Bernistas would call her elitist...

I love that the Bernbros are so politically naive that they don't even understand the simple fact that polling ALWAYS narrows as it gets closer to primary day. I also love how they act like no one in the country had any idea who Bernie Sanders was before they discovered him. He's been a fixture on liberal radio stations for 20 years, morons.

[quote] Most polling shows Hillary & Bernie very close among Latino voters. The 30-point lead for Sanders in the one above seems at odds with all the others.

Outlier:

In statistics, an outlier is an observation point that is distant from other observations. An outlier may be due to variability in the measurement or it may indicate experimental error; the latter are sometimes excluded from the data set.

You're sweet, R85.

A larger poll that concluded on the day before had Hillary ahead by 14 points.

But hey, let's assume Bennie sweeps California, the nations most populous state. In fact, let's assume NO ONE in California votes for Hillary. Even then she's still ahead 300 delegates.

Is the end still unclear to anyone? Hillary won this on Super Tuesday.

Bennie lol!

R91 I agree...we know that...but the story goes on with all of these fuckers!

Hillary will WIN CA by 5-9 points!

Yes, Bernie is gaining on Clinton, and to win the nomination he would have to win the next 49 states.

It's all a vast, right-wing conspiracy against me!

[quote]Obama was too far to the left

Really???

So fucking bored with this and the Berniebots.

One more month till Hillary reaches the unassailable number of delegates.

She will clinch the nomination and millions of white male sphincters will clinch in response.

It's not her first time at the Rodeo, boys.

Get used to it.

well bernbots this poll has more recent margins than the field poll indicating a different result

[quote] In the Democratic presidential race in California, Hillary Clinton leads Bernie Sanders 53 percent to 39 percent.

Tres tiresome. We will win the primary. We will be crowned at the convention. We will be beheaded in November. C'est la vie et mort.

Qu'ils mangent du jambon!

r101

R54 = idiot.

She's a solid democrat:

[quote] Is California winner take all? No. Essentially splitting the delegates is not enough! Do u need thread for every new poll?

Now the Hillary fanatics have turned on the Poll Troll. Watch out. These days, the mere act of posting a link to a poll is likely to get you labeled by the Hillary fanatics as the spawn of Satan.

[quote]These days, the mere act of posting a link to a poll is likely to get you labeled by the Hillary fanatics as the spawn of Satan.

You are basing that on one poster's opinion out of 100 replies?

[quote] You are basing that on one poster's opinion out of 100 replies?

No, I'm basing it on a pattern that is emerging in all of the Hillary/Bernie threads. It's not the first time that someone has posted a link to a poll and been ripped to shreds by the Hillary fanatics for doing so.

And yes. The latest poll linked @ r100 shows Clinton regaining. Her strong margins over Sanders.

Note this polls date range are more recent than the SF field poll.

The vetting of Sanders is just now beginning and will have impact.

I so hope he gets the nomination!

[quote] No, I'm basing it on a pattern that is emerging in all of the Hillary/Bernie threads. It's not the first time that someone has posted a link to a poll and been ripped to shreds by the Hillary fanatics for doing so.

How many times do you think it has happened? If you say it's systematic, it must be quite frequent.

I'm a die-hard Clintonian and I've been offering to smoke the Poll Troll's pole for years. His polls/posts are always above-board and trustworthy.

Keep bringing us the polls, baby, we love 'em (and you).

[quote] And yes. The latest poll linked @ [R100] shows Clinton regaining. Her strong margins over Sanders. Note this polls date range are more recent than the SF field poll.

No, the SurveyUSA poll was conducted 3/30-4/3. The Field Poll was conducted 3/24-4/4. The SurveyUSA poll is not more recent. But yes, things could change. We'll have to wait and see what next week's polls show.

I try to remain objective by posting both good & bad polls for all the candidates.

I have my own personal views, but usually try to keep them to myself so that they don't interfere with reporting the polls.

As for the California polling, the Field Poll is usually considered a reliable California pollster. It has a pretty good track record.

But it's also possible that one of the other pollsters could be right, too.

[quote] How many times do you think it has happened? If you say it's systematic, it must be quite frequent.

Well, it's happened twice to me alone in the past few days. I was called a clueless BernieBro just for linking to a poll showing a dead heat nationally between Hillary and Bernie. And I never used the word "systematic." I used the word "pattern." I didn't say it was frequent. But it certainly isn't isolated.

[quote]Well, it's happened twice to me alone in the past few days. I was called a clueless BernieBro just for linking to a poll showing a dead heat nationally between Hillary and Bernie. And I never used the word "systematic." I used the word "pattern." I didn't say it was frequent. But it certainly isn't isolated.

I blocked a couple of BernieBros or repubs for overusing the word 'cunt' (when talking about Clinton), and all of a sudden those kinds of posts disappeared entirelly. It's very likely, R113, that those comments you came across are from one or two people. Since hundreds of people post here every day, I'd say that's not so bad.

The survey poll IS more recent in that it BEGAN a week or so after the field poll. Meaning if the trend is away from a sanders uptick, the earliest polling on the field poll would show stronger Sanders support that wanes at the end of poll but averaged out gives sanders a closer lead.

Would have to see all data to tell but in polls you look at trends as much as percentages

But the general polling trend, both at the state level and Nationally, has been a narrowing of the race between Clinton & Sanders.

However, Sanders is coming off what has been one of the roughest weeks of his campaign, and he has just been named as having the 'Worst Week in Washington' by a couple of publications.

So it will be interesting to see whether the Sanders momentum is stalled in the next series of polling that takes places entirely after this week.

Bernie's tally is higher than reported.

So many republican trolls, one dumber than the next...

to the LA poster upstream, bernie's campaign is very different than those in the past. one of the reasons that you may haven't seen campaign signs is that the bernie campaign concentrates on their canvassing efforts.

unless you go to to his local campaign HQ, it is hard to get signs and flyers. volunteers are pretty much designing, printing and handing out their own flyers.

The Reddit local bernie forums actually update faster than bernie's website to find events and volunteer opportunities. people upload their flyer and poster designs that people can print out.

there is a big block party at bernie's harlem HQ going on all day but it is raining now.

There is a big push for his rally at Washington Square Park on Wed, Feb 13 at 6 pm.

Bernie was in Central Park yesterday with his security staff. Perhaps there will be an event scheduled there soon.

California Reddit people are communicating with NYC Reddit people about their campaign efforts.

Bernie's got a lot of support and Hillary and her people are freaking out.

The only Trump supporters to whom I have talked o Manhattan streets are foreign; Mexican and Russian.

It seemed really strange to me considering his stance on immigration but then I read some comments of Trump supporters in our street tabloids. They are afraid of losing their jobs to the new influx of immigrants coming in through the Texas & AZ borders.

Trump also appeals to the Orthodox Jews and other Jews who don't like Muslims and think Trump will get Muslims kicked out or stopped from entering the US.

typo: on Manhattan streets

That's because you are a moron, R113. You're whining all over these threads.

As long as DNC folks are counting the votes, Hillary will win California and NY just like she won Iowa. Doesnt matter if she has the most votes or not. Young folks will be told to leave the lines. It has been happening since election season started.

Bernie bots rally in Coney Island tomorrow. I hope there's a tsunami to clear their brains out.

bernie just won wyoming!

[quote] Bernie's got a lot of support and Hillary and her people are freaking out.

I'm curious about this. Can you elaborate? Do you mean Clinton supporters or her team? Where did the information come from?

R123

there really will be a revolution if the DNC continues to rig the nomination in Hillary's favor.

voters are angry, especially college students who are being jerked around over their registration and inability to vote in the primary.

the political pundits and pollsters are truly underestimating bernie's power and appeal.

the Independents and Greens who support bernie are shut out in NY's primary from voting for him over hillary.

College students are not being "jerked around."

They just can't understand why Twitter isn't sending their votes through.

[quote] Hillary and her people are freaking out

I seriously doubt this is even remotely accurate. Why would they? The math and the calendar are on her side. This flight of fantasy that there will be a brokered Democratic convention is absurd. She will pick up a sufficient number of delegates before the primary season is over to secure the nomination. And, Sanders and his people can kiss goodbye any notion of "flipping" superdelegates -- especially after this week, when he (1) proved that his hasn't a clue as to how to accomplish the platform he is running on, and (2) said that Hillary was unqualified -- which he later walked back.

That has more to do,with the young'uns not knowing how it all works, R127. There's a reason why Greens and independents can't vote in the NY primary. Even your god, Bernie, understood and switched his affiliation to democrat.

cranky oldsters, stop putting the youngs down.

R127, you can't possibly say they were created to help Clinton win the nomination since she lost to Obama in 2008 by those same rules (unlike Sanders she had the popular vote on her side). These rules were not created last year.

The way I see it, you want the rules changed to help Sanders, who is trailing Clinton by 2.5 million votes, win the nomination.

May people would say that a caucus does not reflect the will of the people, since it includes a much smaller proportion of voters.

[quote] the Independents and Greens who support bernie are shut out in NY's primary from voting for him over hillary.

Oh, what a shame. Perhaps those restrictions are in place because it is the DEMOCRATIC Party's primary and is designed for DEMOCRATS to pick their nominee.

Yes, the DNC is corrupt! Bernie and his supporters don't like the rules!

Then tell me again... why the fuck did Bernie decide to run within a corrupt party that he was never a part of before?

[quote]Hillary and her people are freaking out

[quote]I seriously doubt this is even remotely accurate. Why would they?

I would like to give a chance to R119 to respond and give us some quotes or links.

R119, will you please respond?

i would like to the see the unedited transcript of the NY Daily News interview w/ Bernie.

He most certainly knows his platform and has not been bought by billionaires like Hillary to mold her platform to conform with their agenda.

Hillary is a fracker!

Who fucking cares, Bernie Sanders is a cockroach trying to emulate Barack Obama. It's not working. He is no Barack Obama. He will not win the nomination He WILL support Hillary Clinton after the appropriate overtures are made. Hillary Clinton WILL win the presidency.

Mark MY words.

Exactly R136! Bernie was tricked! And there are so many other interviews that show Bernie going in depth about what his plans and policies are!!!!

And yes, as Bernie knows, Fracking is BAD!!!

R137

You are right. Bernie is no Obama. Thank God Almighty!

Obama is owned by the banks just like Hillary. He threw away a chance at making things right.

That was unedited, R136. The also released the audio and he sounds dumb.

[quote]the Independents and Greens who support bernie are shut out in NY's primary from voting for him over hillary.

Lol. It's a Democratic primary, you idiot. Why should Green Party voters be allowed to vote in the primary for another political party?

Bernie supporters are really dumb.

The audio was edited R140!!!!!

The best part of all this will be watching the Hillbots have their little tantrums here when their special snowflake loses the general election to the Republican machine.

R135

Links? I speak to voters on the street. am i supposed to be live-streaming and blogging for you?

get off your ass and do something.

R136, you guys routinely tell the Clinton supporters that they never admit any of her flaws (I don't agree with that, but...). At the same time, EVERY Sanders blunder is someone else's fault. Why is that?

R140 is right, by the way.

Please, for once, come back and respond? (If I can say that there is one thing that Sanders supporters do really well is to avoid responding to reasonable requests for links and quotes. I find that cowardly.)

link to "cowardly" please...

google for "hillary panic." can you handle it?

here. i did the first one for you. let me hold your hand.

[quote] Links? I speak to voters on the street. am i supposed to be live-streaming and blogging for you?

I will vote in my primary. I have donated to the Clinton campaign several times. And if she needs help in California I will happily provide it.

As far as speaking to people on the street... do you really think that the people you talk to are the exact reflection of what the rest of the country feels or think? I do not.

the closet kills.

Well, Clinton has good taste, R148.

R145...R140 is not correct. CNN got caught editing the transcript. The Daily News released UNEDITED transcripts and AUDIO.

R141

well, dear. there are states that have open primaries. there are voters other than democrats who support bernie.

why should the corrupt debbie wasserman s. DNC hillary lovefest control the nomination?

the superdelegates were only enacted to keep a black man from winning the democratic nomination (Rev. Jesse Jackson). it is time to toss out archaic, corrupt procedural messes.

Why bother worrying about Sanders at all? Or do you not know that the Hillary nomination is predetermined and secured by the superdelegates?

R149

yeah but Weiner's weiner has been there.

[R140] is not correct

I thought R140 was referring to the NY Daily News transcript. My bad.

R151 your post makes perfect sense. Yes, why should the DNC control the process that handles the DEMOCRATIC candidate!

[quote]the superdelegates were only enacted to keep a black man from winning the democratic nomination (Rev. Jesse Jackson). it is time to toss out archaic, corrupt procedural messes.

Preach! Who was it that was instrumental in creating that archaic, corrupt, procedural process again?

[quote] it is time to toss out archaic, corrupt procedural messes.

It won't happen during this election. It would be, in fact, criminal to change the rules mid election to help out the candidate who is losing. Sorry, but I disagree with you on this one.

r151, snowflake, yes there are states that have an open primary. NY is not one of them. You want to vote cross parties then I suggest you move to a state that has voting rules that are more to your liking.

[quote]NY is not one of them. You want to vote cross parties then I suggest you move to a state that has voting rules that are more to your liking.

Or find a candidate that runs within his own party. Maybe that could be a solution?

Wyoming results:

Clinton Delegates: 11

Sanders Delegates: 7

Total Delegates 18, all precincts counted.

The interview in the Daily News didn't diminish his popularity in NY. He gets cheers everywhere he goes. He got a standing ovation at Hamilton. And he's getting big crowds at his rallies. Especially in the Bronx and Brooklyn. No one but the media cares particularly if she's here or not. I think Bernie's punch drunk. All that traveling, meetings, visits to the field offices, 2 to 3 rallies in a day, where he is expected to be high energy, the interviews, the conference calls, the debates, the secret service hovering at all times, the body man fussing over his tie or suit. Getting his hair just right:) It's punishing. On her as well. Sometimes she looks like she just wants to do a Rick Grimes and rip someone's throat out if they ask her one more fucking question about ANYTHING. Plus the tremendous tension within the campaigns. Look at how it is affecting Bill. He's as ornery, contentious, and downright cranky as Bernie on his worst day. And he can stay the fuck home.

I think Bernie's win in Wyoming is a sign of things to come. It shows momentum.

sorry. not leaving NYC. i love it.

i am not party loyal. why should i be when it is not loyal to me with corruption in albany and politicians who masquerade as progressives (like de Blasio) but are found to be owned by developers?

if bernie doesn't win the rigged democratic nomination, i think that there will be a mass exodus from the party.

it will be time to explore whether he can run in one of these parties:

1. Independent Party

2. Green Party (Jill Stein has not be nominated yet)

3. Peace and Freedom Party

4. Working Families Party (The NY party endorsed Bernie. i don't know about other states)

5. write-in candidate

I'm sure nobody in New York likes Hillary or thought she did a good job. Since nobody voted to re-elect her after her first term as Senator there.

Puerto Rico is a better harbinger of the country than Wyoming is.

R161

Hillary berating the Greenpeace girl was a very stupid move that showed the real Hillary.

Bill Clinton is sabotaging his wife again (Black Lives matter tirade, etc). Can DL shrinks weigh in on why he does this at the most critical times? is it narcissism? competition?

Hillary won more delegates in Wyoming than Bernie.

How is this described as "momentum for Bernie"?

R164

unless you wanted to vote for republican spencer, there wasn't a choice.

Such thin skin. I didn't write that no one liked her. It's just that she's old news in New York. Nothing exciting about her or her rallies. Unless you live in Harlem;) Bernie is the main attraction. He's a fucking rock star. And part of the reason is that he's a born and raised New Yorker. Home town Brooklyn boy makes good. Blah, blah. THIS SHIT is historic. Never going to see a candidate like him again. At least not in my life-time. Let him enjoy it. Let the people who like him enjoy it. What's the harm? She's got it in the bag, right?

R163, your god, Bernie, abandoned you. He WAS an independent and SWITCHED to run as a democrat. Blame him for you not being able to cast your vote in New York. The rules in New York have not changed this year because Bernie is running. They are what they were in the last election, the election before that...yet YOU still made your choice to be an independent and Bernie made his to run as a democrat.

So stop with the waa waa waaing because your candidate is losing in a system that hasn't changed since HE decided to join it. He should have joined the republican clown car instead.

R169. Sarah Palin was a rock star too.

R170

i am a registered Democrat not Independent.

Sandernistas are so tiresome.

He's a male Sarah Palin. Only worse, because he's been in government for decades and has nothing to show for it. Other than bad hair.

If there were ever a candidate that is far, far away from the Republican platform, it is Bernie Sanders.

It is time for a current day FDR and Bernie Sanders is that candidate.

[quote]Never going to see a candidate like him again. At least not in my life-time. Let him enjoy it.

Don't be so dramatic. That's exactly what people said about Obama.

Unless you are 75 years old and you may not live long enough to experience the next election.

Sorry, R172, I thought you were R127. You whine just like her.

R173

Don't embarrass yourself. Sanders is nothing like Sarah Palin.

i have posted this link before. read it if you dare. it sounds like you just want to keep robo-posting bullshit.

"Bernie Gets it Done."

You are right, R177. He is nothing like her. At least Palin dressed better and had better hair.

" We resent being characterized as something so populist as a common cunt. "... Hillary the people's Cuntessa

Since some of you think the primary is a beauty contest and about Bernie's unruly hair, check out Hillary's recent ragged looks on Meet the Press (the unborn persom fiasco).

We are seeing her without her perfectly coiffed wig.

[quote]Don't embarrass yourself.

Pot compétition bouilloire, Sandernista!

[quote]Sanders is nothing like Sarah Palin.

But he is, Blanche!

[quote]read it if you dare.

I better before you double dog dare me!

[quote]"Bernie Gets it Done."

I'm sure to believe anything with such an illustrious title. Was "Bernie is so rad!" taken?

Posted on the other thread, but this one seems to be more active.

My uncle is a big Clinton supporter in NYC. He told me today that Bernie is definitely drawing bigger crowds and getting more press than Hillary, but her team is assuming that many of those people turning out for his rallies either can't or won't vote in the primary.

Their real fear is upstate, where a couple of the unions have come out in favour of Sanders-- they do get the vote out and he has been doing well with white men in economically depressed areas.

The problem is, R177, that his record pales when compared to the one of Elizabeth Warren. And whatever you may think of Clinton, she is also way ahead of Sanders is pushing for reforms and getting things done.

The other issue is in Sanders' character and his supposed inability to work WITH others. You can't go through life expecting people to agree with you all the time and dismissing those who don't. Life is about compromise. Maybe you are too young to know that.

E180 Her hair is combed. No contest.

And speaking of cankles, how big do you think Jane Sanders are with those tree trunk legs? You could probably make another foot out of them.

R183 Too many big words, dude!

You expect me to like talk back to that?

Clinton supporter here.

Sanders is nothing like Palin.

But Jane must have mighty cankles.

I get that people are pissed off at Wall Street greed. I get that they want a higher minimum wage. But what I don't get is all this phony anger out here.The Republicans are extemely negative. They've been angry for the past eight years. So what. But Bernie? Criticizing Obama? WTF. We have a stable economy, people are finding work, more people have healthcare, there's a lot to be happy about. This is something we can build on.

Obama brought us back from the brink of disaster. And he did it all in spite of the Republican majority in Congress. So if people want to articulate anger they need to focus on the fucking Republicans in the Senate and the House who have obstructed everything they could get away with. Hillary is running a positive campaign and talks about her plans and proposals. She sets her priorities.

But Bernie is just completely full of shit. No one is ever completely happy. We need a higher minimum wage. We have problems we need to address that the Repubican Congress has blocked. Things are not perfect by any means. But why agitate and focus on negativity and exploiit anger and dissatisfaction? Why not offer a blueprint for progress and offer hope. This anger is really disgusting to me and it is not justified.

Why resort to name-calling and cankle-baiting?

As many have said before, politics is just Hollywood for ugly people.

R182, ABC NY local news interviewed a bunch of BernieBots at one of his rallies. They said they have been following Bernie around from rally to rally. I would say his rallies also have a lot of groupies too.

[qutoe]Why resort to name-calling and cankle-baiting?

Agree. Let's not stoop to the level of Berniebros.

[quote]I think Bernie's win in Wyoming is a sign of things to come. It shows momentum.

I think it's a bit troubling for Sanders. I'm surprised it wasn't a blowout, considering it's a caucus in a western state. She even managed to win a few counties.

But we won more DELEGATES! Which means we WON AGAIN! Do the math Berinbots! In November we will WIN by over 30 million SUPER DELEGATES! That's how our Madam Secretary Hilz rolls.

And there were quite a few ties according to the NYT site.

[quote]I think Bernie's win in Wyoming is a sign of things to come. It shows momentum.

I think the opposite is true. Everything was on his side; the fact that it was a caucus, that was a fairly white state; and yet they pretty much split the delegates.

Because there are a lot of people who feel like no one is listening to them, R187

They feel like they are just holding it together, scraping by from paycheck to paycheck, even when the paycheck is what should be a sizable one-- the recession of '08 hit hard and a lot of people don't see the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, Silicon Valley is booming and Wall Street is booming, but they are not getting raises and if they get laid off a new job is not easy to find-- we see many threads about that right here on DL.

They feel like everyone, in both parties, is acting like everything is alright, and it isn't, and they're scared and angry. They don't want to hear about "incremental change" and "keeping things as they are." They don't care about bringing Jesus back into politics and (outside the South) scapegoating gays-- we are not a problem for them, but immigrants are.

That's why you have Trump and Sanders-- people want someone to blow things up. It may not be a rational response, but it's how people feel.

It wasn't the cakewalk for Bernie that was expected. Scroll down to the county map,and note the number of ties. Not sure how Wyoming decides ties, but other states use a coin toss.

Shame on all the Clinton supporters for letting the Bern-bots get the best of them on here. So many of them are clearly trolling you and you are taking their bait and running with it.

I get that it's hard to be an online Clinton supporter, but you are just feeding the trolls.

You are right, R197.

We are better than that. I do hate the Berniebro who posts several anti-Clinton threads every day, with outrageous thread titles. I wish we could ban posters like that. They do not bring anything to the conversation.

Really R197? Says the person who wrote:

[quote]Wow! Mrs. Clinton certainly has the ElderGay vote sewn up, judging by the threads on DL.

Who do you think you're fooling?

It's not hard to be an online Clinton supporter. She's the one that's actually winning.

No one R199. That was my first impression when I was scrolling through the thread titles.

As I dove deeper into them, the trolling-and-response pattern became clearer.

Nice work though Sherlock.

If you don't respond to those posts R198, then they sink down the scroll and no one sees them. But when people take the bait and get into shouting battles, they stay up top.

The thread about Hillary's world "collapsing around her" is a good example. Someone posted a link to a ridiculous article and the more people comment on it, the more people see it.

Sanders got the electorate excited again. You should give him credit for doing that. Hillary Clinton is as exciting as watching a bucket of urine coagulate.

R195, I'm not entirely convinced by that reasoning. It seems to me that the the bulk of people who are genuinely screwed by the system are trending towards Clinton. Certainly voters from former industrial areas seem very drawn to Sanders, but it's not a clean sweep. Clinton is winning because she's drawing a higher proportion of black and minority voters.

To my mind, Sanders is appealing to a large contingent of people who are in a more privileged position to embrace ideology over practicalities - primarily young, while and well-educated people who aren't (and likely will never be) below the poverty line.

R204 - Sanders is actually appealing to white male blue collar voters, the same people Trump is reaching. They're the ones who feel abused by a system they spent so many years defending. They see the bosses getting richer and everyone else getting poorer. It's why communism and fascism were so popular in the 1930

Younger voters are turned off by Clinton because she's not someone who is comfortable putting hopes and dreams out there (she's way too practical) and so what they hear is "No We Can't"-- for instance, on universal health care, rather than saying that "we tried it and it's not going to work" she could have said she's willing to try it again, that she still believes in it and you know what, maybe we can get it passed this time. A little false hope goes a long way, so long as it sounds believable.

Millennials are responding to Sanders because he's talking about changing the world and they are an idealistic generation (their parents are Boomers) who want to change the world too.

R181

I recognize you. Are you in a steno pool? You quote and dissect my every sentence in various threads. Do you do this with other poster? It must be so time-consuming for you.

[quote](their parents are Boomers)

No that would most likely be their Grandparents.

R204

You aren't seeing the NYC people who are supporting Bernie. They are all ages, colors, religions, economic status.

Many are broke due to the banksters stealing homes, savings, and murdering the world economy through their organized crime.

the only people in NYC who have money work in finance, or are doctors, dentists, lawyers. or tourists.

[quote]Millennials are responding to Sanders because he's talking about changing the world and they are an idealistic generation

It's beyond being idealistic. Every generation, at least since the 60s, has been idealistic when they were young.

This generation seems far more satisfied with superficial ideology.

R181

I made a typo. make sure you got that down. Correction: other posters?

I just got back from a Clinton rally at Industry City in Brooklyn. It was well attended, but I'm horrible at estimating numbers. Mostly a young crowd. Some Latinos and a few blacks. Industry City is in Sunset Park which is a gentrifying Latino neighborhood. She got a nice introduction from Rep. Nydia Velazquez. Hillary mostly focused on domestic policy: immigration, the Dreamer Act, education, student loans, marriage equality, women's health rights, gun control. I was standing way back, but she was wearing yellow and she looked great. The crowd was very enthusiastic.

Jane Sanders is overweight like many Americans. Hillary is overweight.

Jane is a real person. Hillary is bought and paid for by Wall St and billionaires. Why doesn't she release the transcripts from her Goldman Sachs speeches?

Is it because she promises a cabinet position to a Goldman Sachs bankster?

Hillary talks gun control but takes money from the NRA.

You're in danger of becoming a grumpy old man R209

They are no more or less idealistic than other generations. The main difference is that everything they say and do is public, thanks to social media and the interwebs.

Free college is not idealistic, the fucking French have free college meanwhile, the leader of the Free World doesn't ...

Why won't Bernie release his taxes R212? Is there something that he doesn't want the public to know?

[quote] Why doesn't she release the transcripts from her Goldman Sachs speeches?

Why doesn't Bernie release his full tax returns, instead of the short two-page summaries? What is it that he doesn't want us to see?

[quote]Jane is a real person. Hillary is bought and paid for by Wall St and billionaires. Why doesn't she release the transcripts from her Goldman Sachs speeches?

Hillary is paid by banks and Jane rips them off!

They're idealistic R215 in that they want a world that's better than the one we have today. That includes free college.

The Clinton team severely underestimated how her whole "No We Can't" messaging would sound to younger voters. And that's not Sanders propaganda, that's a real thing--younger voters are mostly turned off by her inability to articulate a vision of how her presidency would make things better. That's partly because of who she is-- she is a hardened realist, but also because her people did not push her to find one issue-- free college, universal health care, free national broadand-- something that sounded like "here's how things are going to get better" that they could grab onto.

Sunset Park is Bernie territory. Nice try with the "I can't guess crowd size". Smorgasbord and the Brooklyn Flea are still at Industry Park until May. Many of those people probably had no idea she was going to be there. They were there to spend a rainy Saturday thrift shopping and eating. And when Smorgasbord and BF leave for greener streets in Dumbo and Williamsburg, Sunset will go back to being a mostly Latino and Chinese nabe with a few Norwegian-American stragglers and the entrenched refugees from twenty-plus years of being pushed out of affordable neighborhoods in every other part of Brooklyn. You would have better luck trying to gentrify Borough Park.

"Jane Sanders is overweight like many Americans. Hillary is overweight."

Neither Jane or Hillary's weight has anything to do with who should be President.

"Jane is a real person."

What is Hillary, a mandroid?

"Hillary is bought and paid for by Wall St and billionaires. Why doesn't she release the transcripts from her Goldman Sachs speeches?"

Point to the votes she made that were "paid for by Wall Street." What are they?

Why doesn't she release the transcripts? Why doesn't Bernie release his taxes? Same reason. Because every single thing will be picked apart and propagandized. The difference is that no one else is being asked for speech transcripts, or producing them, and it is customary for all candidates in every election to release taxes. Didn't Bernie say he was going to release them a few primaries ago?

"Is it because she promises a cabinet position to a Goldman Sachs bankster?"

I don't know and neither do you. You are guessing based on no information.

What arguments do you actually have about why someone should vote for Hillary or not? She's not a human, she's overweight, she will take imaginary actions that haven't happened?

If you don't want to vote for Hillary, fine, but "she's a fat non-human" is not an argument.

Americans don't like politicians to be too good looking or in shape. Trust me if Crossfit King Paul Ryan runs, his health consciousness will be cited as a turnoff by some voters.

Oh no, you're wrong about that, R220. Sunset Park is going to be a very hot neighborhood. I would love to buy a place there as an investment, but there's not a lot available. I have a friend who is a real estate agent and he says many of the places get snatched up by Chinese buyers before they're even on the market. And I can't guess crowd size, sorry, bro! I guess you're a typical paranoid Bernie supporter.

[quote]Didn't Bernie say he was going to release them a few primaries ago?

And he also said he already did!

I doubt he takes a big charity write off. His knickname in Vermont was El Cheapo.

R220

good lord! hillary's weight is the least of her problems and has zero do with why i will never vote for her.

there are people who attended hillary's goldman sachs speeches who say she sounded like a managing director of GS.

hillary needs to release the transcripts.

[quote]there are people who attended hillary's goldman sachs speeches who say she sounded like a managing director of GS.

I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Links?

Thanks R211.

What is your problem R220? Believe it or not Clinton has supporters. 2.5 million more than Sanders.

R218 read your own link; mudslinging by a republican...

"In a statement, a spokesman for Senator Bernie Sanders called this nothing more than mud slinging in a presidential election year. 'This recycled, discredited garbage is the handiwork of Brady Toensing, the Vice Chairman of the Vermont Republican Party. These kinds of attacks on family members of candidates are one of the reasons why the American people are so disgusted with politics in America today,' the statement said."

Jane Sanders told them she had PLEDGES not SECURED DONATIONS.

"Channel 3 has previously reported that Sanders told the bank she had 'pledges' for more than two million dollars, not 'secured donations,' as Toensing calls them."

Great response, R221.

R227

i am not your damn secretary. google the links.

I'dd be interested in seeing Sanders' tax returns too, r226/R227. Especially with the allegations of fraud hanging over his tax preparer's, I mean wife's, head.

[quote] i am not your damn secretary. google the links.

It was a fair question. I would also like to know where you got the info.

That's what I thought, R231. Thanks!

i am not your damn secretary. google the links = they don't exist

I think the not qualified remark and NYTimes interview has done real damage for Sanders with older voters and women. I think he will still surprise though, and win alot of counties in NY State

By not releasing the GS transcripts and by acting so defensively about them, she has made them into a much bigger issue than they deserve to be.

If she had just said "look, I signed a document saying I wouldn't release them" or "here they are-- they hired me, I didn't go to them, they wanted to tell their clients they had the former secretary of state at one of their dinners, so I was the one with the power here, pretty run of the mill speech"-- something to downplay them.

Instead, she stonewalls, says "no one else is ever asked to release their transcripts" and thus people conclude she does indeed have something to hide.

Again, like "No We Can't" it's another misstep from her campaign and Mook and Co. should know better.

R237 just like it's suspicious that Sanders won't release his Taxes and his excuse is that he didn't prepare them and as far as he knows there's nothing to see! And he's been kinda busy!

If Bernie wants to kill Hillary during the New York debate, he should peg her as the Big Money New Yorker-beholden to Wall Street and wealthy real estate developers ( a term worse than murderer for New Yorkers). He can also possibly win over black voters if he ties the Clinton HQ to the gentrification of Harlem.

The problem is, R239, that Sanders has to show HOW have any of Clinton's decisions let to the problems you list. But he won't do that, won't he? He'll just say that everything wrong with NYC is Clinton's fault.

That is EXACTLY how Republicans play their game.

let = led

Actually it's not equivalent R237

Politicians not releasing their taxes is pretty common and while definitely shady, no one thinks Bernie is running an offshore gambling empire he forgot to mention.

The Goldman Sachs speeches are unique and seem shady on the surface to people unfamiliar with how companies like that operate, e.g. a goodly % of the voting public.

[quote]Politicians not releasing their taxes is pretty common

It's common for Presidential candidates to not release their tax returns?

Okay then!

I don't like Hillary or her faulty foreign policies one bit, but I am glad she's around to keep the looney Bernie supporters at bay.

Yes R243, there were issues with Rubio and Trump not releasing theirs earlier this year. It's not the first time voters have heard that line of attack.

Goldman Sachs speeches on the other hand, are pretty unique

R233

Google has been in operation for over 15 years.

you simply could have searched " Hillary Clinton Goldman Sachs managing director" and found multiple links.

Rubio did release his and there has been just as much questioning about why Trump hasn't released his. While you can say another candidate hasn't released theirs you cannot say that it is "common" for a Presidential hopeful to not release their tax returns.

[quote]“It was mostly basic stuff, small talk, chit-chat,” one person who attended that speech said. “But in this environment, it could be made to look really bad.”

Trump cannot release his tax returns because they show his dealings with the mob through the construction firm S&A Concrete.

Sorry to post anything from booger eating psycho, Ted Cruz, but he is the one who brought it up.

I have provided a link since there are so many big babies here who want people to wait on them. They can't seem to conduct Google by themselves.

Why do all the Clinton supporters post in the same scripted voice and than less than 2 seconds later a "yes that is so true" "oh you are so right"response chimes in. Me thinks the Hillary Lounge is as unreal as a Potemkin Village.

The vitriolic Hillary supporters that I have encountered in Manhattan remind me of Rosemarie on the Dick Van Dyke Show only anorexic and tanorexic. The raspy voice is the same.

The Morey Amsterdams always go for Bernie.

The New Yorkers I know aren't as concerned about the big money wall street boogie man.

The only two that have not released their taxes in this race are Sanders and Trump. And both are coming across shady. In sanders case there are things to be concerned about. His wife's creative accounting and the massive deductions relative to income. So he MIGHT be running an offshore gambling outfit for all you know, R242.

Google SHADY : DO YOU MEAN HILLARY CLINTON?

There won't be a bombshell in Bernie's tax returns.

Nope, shady applies to anyone who says there is nothing to see in his tax returns but won't let the public decide.

The Goldman Sachs speeches are unique and seem shady on the surface to people unfamiliar with how companies like that operate, e.g. a goodly % of the voting public.

the goodly % of the voting public ?... thank god I've got super delegates to vote for me in November. R242

Right?

R229, if you're referring to Mrs Sanders' loan documents for the college, banks don't take unsecured "pledges" as collateral. You either have collateral or you don't. I can't imagine anyone saying, people promise to give me money later, and a bank saying, well, a promise is just as good as having real money. In reality, she did not get the pledged amounts. Which is exactly why a bank wouldn't take her word for it. Especially when they knew it was a small college with not much money. The loan she wanted was more than they could ever pay back out of their operating funds, even in payments. Banks check on things like that before they give a loan.

I'm not R218, but I did look around about this a few weeks ago. The end result was that the college couldn't make loan payments and the Catholic diocese that owned the property lost a bunch of money in interest payments. Bottom line, they lost money. I don't see how you can dispute that, they know if they did or not. That must be why they're suing.

Jane Sanders has made some other dubious statements about this, like saying the college is fine now (never mind that the damage they suffered is her fault). She refuses to acknowledge responsibility and even refuses to admit she was forced to resign. She's not been honest. She lawyered up and won't discuss it. She has tried to blame others, when it's nobody's fault but her own. It doesn't surprise me that they're calling it a "Republican smear." The fact is, it happened and it damaged the college badly financially. Republicans didn't do that.

While Hillary is no prize, Bernie has never really accomplished anything. I just do not get the appeal of Bernie. Yes he has a good message but no clue on how to execute his ideas.

Shady might also be defined as earning $205,617, claiming$56,377 in itemized deductions, and paying$27,653 in taxes. That’s an effective tax rate of 13.4 percent.

Rubio's tax returns would show his loans from the car dealer, deductions for foam parties, porn related expenses and that he deducts two families as dependents (mistress and love child plus his family with his wife).

We are all just prisoners here, of our own device.

R258

Bernie has accomplished a lot. He has served VT well and it is why 84% voted for him in the primary.

We stab it with our steely knives but we just can't kill the beast.

LMAO - yes Vermont is in terrific shape.

Vermont is a poor state. Bernie has done a good job considering the difficult circumstances.

[quote] Bernie has done a good job considering the difficult circumstances.

What does that mean? What is it that he has done specifically for Vermont that merits this accolade of "good job in difficult circumstances"?

Doesn't Vermont have a high rate of heroin and fentanyl abuse?

R266 I'm pretty sure he's done a lot of good like shipping off toxic waste to Texas maybe?

Vermont is a lovely state, and Bernie will be back home to enjoy it very soon

R266 read his websites and stop baiting.

what specifically has hillary done for new york exactly?

she is not even a new yorker. the clintons moved to westchester county so they they could mine the rich people up there.

they established the clinton foundation treasure chest in harlem to look all PC but then moved it to midtown.

bill looked for his own apt in the city so he could fuck around. our building was turned down by his security team because it has fire escapes.

R270 read her website and stop baiting.

Essentially, Clinton doesn't have a dick, and Bernie can't get his up. Tough choice for Democrats.

R271

I was being facetious, tool.

[quote]Bernie can't get his up

You're wrong

[quote][R266] read his websites and stop baiting.

[quote]what specifically has hillary done for new york exactly?

Why don't you take your own advice and read about H. Clinton's accomplishments.

I mean really...

She's more of a NYer than he is. He abandoned NY while she adopted it.

R275 didn't you read.. he was being facetious!

No, really!

R274 Susan would know. She's been sucking on that thing for months to keep it up.

Don't forget about me, R278, and I do it better! Susan's a cunt!

Let's not do that, R278.

R275

come into the new age. lowercase is fine and accepted these days.

r272, nice to see you've updated your she doesn't have a dick, and he's black meme.

Do as you wish, R281. I am not your mommy.

R276 has abandonment issues.

Hillary only came to NY for political reasons and MONEY.

Now her homely spawn has her eye set on the NYC council. Yet another Clinton being foist upon us.

I accept it.

The fact is, Hillary should be running as a Republican, because her nor Bill have ever been Democrats. Now she would be a moderate Republican, something they need...moderate and intelligent.

I am a democrat so I really don't want to vote for her.

R23 No you aren't, thank God. Now put your red pencil away.

[quote]Hillary only came to NY for political reasons and MONEY.

Most people come to NYC for money and to make something of themselves. What is your point?

R283

^^^^^^^^^ not R23

[quote][R23] No you aren't, thank God.

We agree on that. Phew.

Abandonment issues? No, I think Sanders is a hypocrite when he calls NY home. He left a long time ago. Whatever Clinton's motive was, she's still here.

R287

Well, I would hope that most of us aren't crooks like the Clintons.

R290 so lame.

Most people continue to think of their birthplace as their home or a home.

[quote][R287]Well, I would hope that most of us aren't crooks like the Clintons.

Sorry you are poor, hon.

r285, are you some Kochpuppet repeating that untruth?

How could she vote with Bernie 93% of the time and even remotely be considered a Republican.

The truth will set you free.

FDR would have been a billionaire by today's standard and HE was the greatest Democratic President of the 20th Century. Don't confuse being rich with being Republican.

Asshole

R293 Are there actually rich people posting on DL? If there are, how do you live with yourself! :P

Well, Bernie's wife, Jane, certainly is, R291.

Paul Ryan's fitness wasn't the turnoff. It was those dorky barbell lifting photos. Wasn't he wearing a headband? It was like Staying Alive redux. The widow's peak didn't help either.

After Wyoming's lame Caucus (they both got 7 delegates), the numbers are now:

HRC 1763 BS 1075 PS he got no superdelegates.

If he keeps up at this rate, he'll get the nomination on Inauguration Day!

R293

Read all about how Wall Street wiped out everyone's wealth (except theirs).

Matt Taibbi and Bernie Sanders are just 2 of the people to bring awareness to Wall Street's crimes.

[quote]Bernie Sanders are just 2 of the people to bring awareness to Wall Street's crimes.

You nailed it. Sanders is the bring awareness candidate. Not the one who will make the changes necessary.

I will borrow this phrase from you use it from now on.

Thanks!

r298, all he has to do is win the next 45 states.

R300

you are twisting it. Sanders brought awareness through his congressional hearings about Wall Street's crimes. it is where i first saw him in action and knew he must be president.

hillary is corrupt and has been bought by the wall street gangsters.

it is like there are 2 hillary robo-posters and a handful of freeper nuts.

why can't we get trollbar back?

trolldar

R300 loves the corruption (Hillary).

What is your definition of a robo-poster, R303? Cause using the poor man's trolldar shows you are pretty close to being one yourself.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz @ R298,

Give us the pledged delegates count.

You mean the one that has her 250 over him?

R306 nah... i'm just trying to combat the lies about bernie.

pretty useless here anyway. hillary shrills aren't worth our time they tell us. it is true.

we are after the new voters, bernie supporters and undecided. i talk to those people as part of my volunteer efforts and it is inspiring.

the best conversation was with a chinese grandmother and black mathematician.

your bitterness and badgering won't stop me or the hundreds of thousands of bernie supporters.

R309 Shift is your friend.

R309, you may be too much of a delicate flower for DL.

Oh, and I haven't learned anything of substance from your posts.

You ARE a robo-poster, r309, and as big a hypocrite as the candidate that you support. You are robo-posting to combat the lies about Bernie" yet anyone standing up for Clinton get labled a robo-poster by you.

You belong back on Reddit with the other low information voters.

This is such a genius strategy.

Calling each other liars and robo-posters is sure to change hearts and minds on DL.

So is debating who has bigger cankles-- Hillary or Jane.

What a great strategy.

It's not a strategy on my part, R313. I'm not on DL campaigning for anyone nor am I trying to change the hearts and minds of DL. But I do resent when someone openly admits to campaigning on DL and calls other posters robo-posters because they don't agree with her.

So what do you hope to accomplish by calling him out on it? Making yourself feel better is a valid response, but I'm just curious

Oh you Hillary angerballs!

I have been on DL since the days of Blue Agave.

I'm not in school. This is an internet forum --- i don't have to use shift all of the time.

Yesterday, I had a nice conversation with a ten yr old boy who was really bothered by the unfairness of the Superdelegate scheme. If even a child can see the unfairness, there's a big problem.

To the anal quote master, I say, I have not been enlightened by anything you have posted. I find you a dull contrarian.

R314, I am talking about the "Poor me. I don't know how to Google... Link please" Troll.

It gets old.

[quote]Yesterday, I had a nice conversation with a ten yr old boy who was really bothered by the unfairness of the Superdelegate scheme. If even a child can see the unfairness, there's a big problem.

Right on! It's totally unfair! Who was responsible for coming up with the Supderdelegate system? Whoever it is should not be trusted or hired by anyone! And I hate the Superdelegates. It's cheating. Someone should have told Bernie about this before he joined the DNC and ran under it's cheating rules.

There is no campaigning. Only the sincere effort for the BernieBros to realize that Bernie will not be the Democratic candidate. But that's OK. They will have to come to that decision themselves and either support ALL Democrats or figure out which conspiracy meme they will espouse to vindicate their losing choice.

[quote]Yesterday, I had a nice conversation with a ten yr old boy who was really bothered by the unfairness of the Superdelegate scheme. If even a child can see the unfairness, there's a big problem.

If the superdelegates were interested in giving their votes to Sanders you'd be saying it's the most democratic system in the world.

When Sanders catches up with Clinton in popular vote, then you can come here and bitch.

The fucking Bernie on a cross shit that some of you spew is unreal.

r318, he has not joined the DNC, he has conscripted it. He remains a Social Democratic Independent from Vermont. The Super Delegates are mostly ex oficio delegates who are also elected Democratic public officials. They are not some random bunch of appointed DNC goons, contrary to some people's perceptions.

Seriously, R315. Why don't we just say becaue I can and leave it at that.

But R321 it's corrupt! And someone should have told Bernie about them before he did the DNC a favor and ran under their party. Who created the Superdelegate system anyway? Whoever it was is a crook.

Superdelegates sorry history...

Sometimes you don't know how deep the muck is until you take a step in it.

[Quote] I have been on DL since the days of Blue Agave.

Fucking newbie.

Hey Robo-bernie shill @r324 / R325, considering Superdelegates are a product of your man's right hand man, Tad Devine....if old man Bernie didn't know what he was getting into then he is even less smart han the Daily News transcript showed him to be.

Or R327 it just makes him a hypocrite.

ok, methuselah.

This election cycle has been so crazy. I would not be surprised if a Communist Party candidate rises the ranks the next time around.

I was an Obama fan last go around. I'm for Hillary now. She'll win the nomination. Bernie can't catch up. Hillary will win the Presidency as well. The mess on the Republican side is amazing to watch. Even today's news that Trump isn't getting any of his chosen delegates in state after state. They're headed for disaster.

R331 exactly thank you someone other than myself that gets it...HILLARY will be POTUS enough said!

Prediction: one day soon after the Republican convention Rancid Precum will announce a NATIONAL WRITE IN CAMPAIGN!

Do the FUCKING Math fuckers!

I honestly think that if Bernie, by some miraculous feat, won the nomination and the actual election he would be right on target with where his campaign wanted to go. He talks about a "political revolution" and since he has practically zero supporters in the house or the senate he would obviously get nothing done, I think he would start to complain to his young voters to protest (revolt), they would start to protest and they would try (most likely in vain) to over throw the "oppressive democracy" that prevents Sanders from enacting his socialist utopian plans. I feel like sanders thinks he's a reformer but he's just an annoying old fuck.

If that were true r335, them possibly he could get them to flip the congress during a midterm.

Now that would be a revolution.

Bernie claimed he would over-turn laws like North Carolina's anti-LGBT law.

This is what seriously bothers me about him. He HAS to know that Presidents have no such power... in which case he's both lying and pandering. Or maybe he doesn't really understand that the President has no such power... which is just fucking scary. Given the clueless answers he gave to some pretty straight-forward questions in that NYDailyNews interview, I can't discount this as a possibility. He's said equally clueless things when answering questions or making statements about other issues, like one about the Supreme Court just a month or two ago.

I really think he doesn't understand how things work. I really don't. And I'm hoping that more and more people start to see this cluelessness when it comes to actually DOING things, and back off supporting him for President. I mean, yeah, he's pretty good at pointing out the things that are bad and need changing (basically, he's a good complainer whose complaints are mostly on-target)... but when it comes to actually FIXING those issues, he's kind of at a loss. He makes sweeping statements that really just aren't feasible in the real world. Or he suggests things without even remotely considering the ramifications ore repercussions ...

In short, he fails to think things through. Sorta like how he read a bad/misleading/wrong headline the other day, and launched into Hillary over something she never said. We don't need a President who acts with knee-jerks and who never thinks things through or fails to read beyond the headline to see what's really going on... that's the LAST thing we need in fact.

I'm hoping the good people of California wake up from the euphoria of having a guy angrily shouting at the establishment, and recognize that the same person who is good at pointing out the problems isn't always the right person to fix them.

r337, maybe they are. I knew a couple of Bernie supporters that in Feb. were hissing to me to feel the Bern and vigorously defending Sanders and in his corner determined to vote for him. Today not so much. Didn't even want to talk politics and I was not even rubbing in the Daily News bit, I sincerely wanted to know what they thought of a jewish man so enamored with our Pope. The were distancing themselves from him already.

The difference between Bernie and Obama, the constitutional law scholar, is that if a voter or reporter asked Obama about the new anti-lgbt laws, Obama would calmly explain that these are states rights issues and the President can do nothing. Eventually this stuff will end up in the Supreme Court. Which means we need liberal justices.

I hope if anything comes out of this mess, somebody decides to put some money on civics classes. It's inexcusable that young people have no idea how the government works and no idea when they're been lied to. And if Bernie doesn't know how the government works after twenty five years in Congress, he's unfit for any office, period.

Governorships and state legislatures are more powerful than the executive branch and Congress when it comes to domestic issues. It is a shame the public does not understand this. Most Americans can not even name the governors of their states.

340, most high schoolers can't even name the vice president.

That article is from January of this year, R146. Can you post anything more dated than that, please?

And one dated article hardly means Clinton is panicking. What a joke.

Never gonna happen

Kate McKinnon on SNL last night, skewering Her

r337, it doesn't matter to Millennials. They believe everything he says. EVERYTHING!

It's true, R345. They even defend his lies and false statements.

R346 and then they volunteer for his campaign and swarm the Internet like locus, spreading BernieBro propaganda. One admitted as much unthread to coming here to change the hearts and mind of DLers to vote for Bernie.

Gays can think for themselves.

[quote] I live in San Diego, and I've seen about 50 Sanders bumper stickers and only 1 Hilary sticker so far this year. It seems like the Sanders supporters have more enthusiasm.

I would not dare putting a Clinton sticker on my car. I don't want my car keyed by some idiot Berniebro.

Clinton supporters are the silent majority. They don't need bumper stickers or use of insults.

Or worse R348. Be aggressively lectured on how Bernie is better.

Lol... Kate did a good job of capturing Hillary's smarminess, vapidness and douchebaggery.

Except even Kate supports Hillary

I've seen more Obama stickers than I've seen Hillary or Sanders stickers in LA.

R338 that is true of friends of ours as well!!!

R353 not in NYC

R345 scary but true...they are so stuck on his plan for tuition free education....IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN MILLENNIALS ~ SO WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

Lots of college kids in NYC, many of which are ineligible to vote. So things like bumper stickers, signs and rally attendance have little correlation to the election.

Look at other cities with lots of colleges. Bernie was holding plenty of packed, enthusiastic rallies that didn't reflect in the election results. He did well with caucuses and two open primaries. Not many of either going forward.

I said the same a few days ago, R535. Glad you noticed it too.

This is all you need to know.

The photo from this article is as good a reason as any not to vote for Her.

And this article from today's Daily News lists every reason not to vote for Bernie...

Kids don't read news papers. They don't care about the NYDN or the NYT or the pinnocchios Bernie got from the Washington Post.

But show them a picture of Lens in a Hillary dress and you might as well put up a cross draped in garlic....

Tuition-free college? Pipe dream!

R362 not just kids ....who reads newspapers....nobody we know....we read and get our news online for the last 5 years or so!

You realize the links posted above are to online news and not actual hardcopy news papers? Cause R362 and R365 seems to think those links are to hard copy papers.

I hope the poster wasn't referring to me when they said that I came here to "win the hearts and minds" of DLers. How ridiculous.

Take a look at this video I found last night when looking for NYC political updates. Some of the titles really made me laugh.

R342

Ah, yes. Hillary has lost 7 in a row out of the last 8 primaries. She is perfectly calm and not panicked. Eyeroll.

Not worried at all, R368

[quote]Ah, yes. Hillary has lost 7 in a row out of the last 8 primaries.

No, she didn't.

primaries and/or caucuses. sheesh.

When they need to resort to drawing distinctions like that R371, that's when you know they're in trouble.

Just to address what R368 said, I really doubt that Hillary is that worried about it considering that she didn't seem so concerned since you know, she barely campaigned in any of those states.

And R372 if you don't think that there's a valid point in distinguishing between a caucus and a primary? Well then...

What do you make of this? The RNC sounds just like the DNC...

Hillary is not worried because the road from here on out is rough for Bernie. And as the candidate who is losing in both the popular vote and delegates, he will eventually have to step aside and support her.

R375 She would have to give him some sugar or else he might just go independent. He's never been much of a party man to begin with.

Politico, which usually is quite pro-Clinton, dropped this bomb today.

If you squint really hard you can see where they edited out "OMFG How Big A Dyke Is She!!"

Bernie isn't losing. He's winning. The problem is the DNC machine that is steamrolling Bernie voters.

No, R367, I was not referring to you. There was a poster upthread who said she was a Bernie volunteer who was here to refute the lies told about Bernie and to win the hearts and minds of those Hillary supporters and undecided. She also said people told her not to bother with DL.

So, in effect, she confirmed there are shills among us.

Never been much of a party man? His whole career has been sitting on his fat ass writing amendments. And where are his tax returns? He doesn't want people to see his corporate ties and shady tax deductions. Fuck him

She's just so horrible.

Why would Sanders have to step aside and support Hillary? The whole point is fighting against the corruption of the Democratic Party, and Hillary is the poster child of that corruption.

HillBots have gone from "I like Sanders but his ideas aren't practical" to "Fuck him and his drooling old-man, no-idea-having ass!" in no time flat.

Will not do Dems any good this fall to have that kind of division.

Bernie is not winning, he is behind in delegates and popular vote

R377 She would have my vote if she really is a lesbian.

Bernie has been on the dole his whole career, so please don't paint him as some revoltionary

r367 is the robo-poster who accused everyone else as being a robo-poster. She is also Bernie campaign volunteer here to refute the lies.

Is she getting paid $15/hour?

"Ha! Good one! You know that $15/hout minimum wage is another one of Bernie's ideas I stole! I am whatever you want me to be, so on DL, I am a bitchy gay man. Bernie should die in a Mary Grease Fire!! Kill him! Kill him with Caftans!"

No, moron at R389. Apparently, there's a lot you don't understand. First of all, because it has to be explained to you the $15/hour was in reference to Bernie soliciting people to go to Trump and Clinton rallies to protest and paying them $15/hour to do so. I'm not surprised that went over your head.

Second, Hillary has for years been in for a higher minimum wage and has been fighting for one at at the Federal level. I know, I know, you don't understand the difference between a state and a federal minimum wage and which is more practical and you know, has a better chance of actually passing.

R389 should die in a grease fire! I love this place!!

This is a new one. Love it

And a classic

Even more classic

I am so going after that Tweeter when I am elected. We are going to shut them down!!

R379 You were referring to my post. That was me! I guess my post wasn't clear.

i said this:

[R306] nah... i'm just trying to combat the lies about bernie.

pretty useless here anyway. hillary shrills aren't worth our time they tell us. it is true.

we are after the new voters, bernie supporters and undecided. i talk to those people as part of my volunteer efforts and it is inspiring.

the best conversation was with a chinese grandmother and black mathematician.

your bitterness and badgering won't stop me or the hundreds of thousands of bernie supporters.

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I have been on DL forever. I wasn't sent here by the Sanders campaign. LOL.

I was just reiterating what they announced at the Bernie Manhattan event about canvassing - don't argue with Hillary people. it is not worth the time and effort.

How that turned into "winning the hearts & minds" of datalounge, I cannot answer anything other than "The horror. The horror."

shit. forgot to format my quote.

I Don't think of the states Hillary has lost, many of them will be voting Denocratic in the general. Utah? Wyoming? Alaska? Now Wisconsin & Hawaii and Michigan are Blue but the rest are not.

I meant talking to people on the street NOT datalounge. Everyone here knows DLers are prickly bastards & bitches. LOL

Bernie and Bernie supporters lie about Hillary nonstop.

I think Sanders will be VP.

New poll today shows Hillary up in NY by 16.

R399, You are splitting hairs. It's quite obvious from your posts that your volunteering extends to DL..

Sanders will not be VP.

He'll go back to the Senate.

HIllary is going to be President.

There. I said it.

R402 as much as your post are campaigning for Hillary.

posts.

I'm not a campaign volunteer. I just like to fuck with BernieBots on DL. The snowflake is an admitted Bernie volunteer..

Then you are a psycho R407

Feel bigger now, little man?

HILLARY will be POTUS

Someone posted this on the other thread. It is worth the read.

Hillary cannot and will not win the general election.

You're wrong, r411. So wrong.

R412 ssssh. They believe if they say it enough it will become true.

Bernie cannot win the nomination. Wyoming pretty much sealed it. He went BACKWARDS in delegates... the gap got wider (Hillary took 11 to his 7).

Hillary will win NY, PA, and CA. And there's no math that allows him to win the nomination. In fact, if he were to win EVERY SINGLE STATE LEFT by ten whole points (20-30 point swings), he'd STILL lose.

I feel just great, R408. Thanks for asking!

Sanders is toast.

Nate Silver is nearly always correct. Here's his current take.

Rr10, and someone also posted this article from today. It is also worth reading.

Sanders will be a bellboy at the White House.

Jane will be busy in the White House kitchen.

Nate Silver said Trump didn't have a chance.

Bernie won Wyoming and still lost delegates. He's truly one step forward two steps back.

I still don't get the appeal of Sanders.

R421 let me sum it up for you:

Breakup the banks! Free college! Revolution! Not Hillary!

It's not free college. Taxes will go up and then this doesn't pass congress.

I'm not conservative and a states right person by any means but let the states handle their public colleges.

What does semi-open primary mean?

Because NY, PA and MD are all closed and no win for Sanders

His only wins are open primaries and caucuses. But I need to know what semi is about. And I live in California. No one is telling me anything. I see no advertisements, lawn signs or bumper stickers for anyone. No one gives a damn yet.

Semi-Closed Primaries In a semi-closed primary, unaffiliated voters may choose which party primary to vote in, while voters registered with a party may only vote in that party's primary. Representing a middle ground between the exclusion of independent voters in a closed primary and the free-for-all of open primaries, the semi-closed primary eliminates concerns about voters registered in other parties from "raiding" another party's nominating contest.

People who align with a given party may theoretically still vote in another party's primary if they are registered as independent. The potential for such tactical party registration is also present in the strictest of closed primaries.

R420, do yo realize that you make up over 20% of all posts on this thread. I'm not the psycho...you are.

California has semi-closed primaries, R424.

R401, if you're interested, Google around and see how previous presidential candidates picked their VPs. Then you'll know Bernie has less chance of being VP than you do.

Hillary is identified with New York. Bernie is identified with Vermont. Presidential candidates never pick a running mate from the same part of the country. The point of VP, besides being the constitutional spare, is to fill in the holes as far as the weaknesses of the Presidential candidate. So, if the Presidential candidate is from the East, the VP will be from the West.

If the Presidential candidate is young and inexperienced, like Obama, the VP is older and experienced, like Biden. If the Presidential Candidate is a governor, the VP will be from Congress. If the President is not a lawyer, the VP will be. If the Presidential candidate is a draft dodger, the VP will have served honorably (Clinton and Gore). If they're from the northeast, the VP will be from the west (JFK and LBJ).

Hillary and Bernie are too alike in many ways. Both older, both white, both from Congress, both from the northeast. Hillary will have to compensate for her weaknesses by picking someone who is: young; brings enthusiasm; male because she is female and that's too much change for some people; able to run for President in their own right when her term(s) are over.

Ideally, an inoffensive, white-ish minority (Mexican-American), but if she thinks that's too controversial and is trying to pry away some non-Trump Republicans, she might go for a white, handsome young guy. Cute young family, pretty wife. Whether the VP is white or other, they will have to be charming and photogenic to make up for Bill and Chelsea. Somebody known as very sincere and personally liked. All these compensate for her weaknesses. It has to be someone who can run in 2020 or 2024, so heavily vetted. (Bernie would be 79 in 2020).

She needs to put a future potential Presidential candidate in the State Department, and campaign like mad for Democrats in Congress in 2016 and 2018. I'm sure she will, she understands what's at stake.

More info at the link R424:

Sorry, R424, I think that links to the Republican primary schedule!

I don't want Bernis as VP. He is senile and should not be in the White House

Hillary will win NY, PA, and CA. And there's no math that allows him to win the nomination. In fact, if he were to win EVERY SINGLE STATE LEFT by ten whole points (20-30 point swings), he'd STILL lose. She will also WIN Maryland, NJ and Puerto Rico!

Dem primary schedule:

God, that pic of Debbie at R432 is frightening! It should have been posted with a NSFW warning. Now, I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

r428 - your post is wrong. Gore and Clinton were from the same part of the country. Gore did serve in the US Army. His service has never been used to forward his own career. (It was used unsuccessfully to forward his father's.)

Which of your categories did Cheney bring to the ticket? He only military record was five deferments and Bush's record was suspect. Neither were attorneys. You can argue they were from different parts of the country - but Cheney's residency brought nothing to the ticket.

There are hundreds of reasons you pick a VP.

In my opinion the best thing HRC could do right now is make peace with Sanders. If that means the VP slot - then so be it.

My own hunch is behind closed doors the Republican Party is working very hard to get Kasich or Ryan to be the nominee. Remember right now Kasich is the only Republican who consistently beats Clinton in national polls. If a brokered Republican convention means a moderate emerges as the candidate. Good luck to the Democrats.

R432 - read some history. Carter was 700 delegates ahead of Kennedy in 1980. But have no doubt the primary season and convention killed his chances of winning.

[quote] In my opinion the best thing HRC could do right now is make peace with Sanders. If that means the VP slot - then so be it.

Sanders is thought of as someone who is not a team player. He is not VP material.

Why would you say that R437?

If he wasn't a team player why would he have so many endorsements from his fellow Senators?

You did read the part where I said HRC needs to make peace?

True, but Sanders has to make peace as well, the way Clinton made peace with Obama in 2008.

Why on earth would Hillary choose Bernie when he has been using the desperate loser strategy of saying she is unqualified?

Bush was able to break some rules because his daddy was President. Bush picked up a lot of staffers from Poppy's reign. He was trying to give the impression that he was a surrounded by expert, steady hands from his dad's administration. Bushes are very loyal and insular people.

The point of Cheney was that Bush was a Texas governor that didn't seem too smart. He was a privileged daddy's boy. People back then were actually naive enough to think that Cheney's relationship with Poppy meant that he was a reliable, expert guide for junior. He was supposed to be the Republican Joe Biden to W's Obama, a young guy without much experience.

Gore was compensating for Bill's crap family life. The Gotes were a happily married, wholesome couple with goodlooking kids. He was very respectable. Bill wasn't. He was also the sort of person that was going to be eligible to run for President after Clinton had his two turns.

r436, your comparison make no sense. Carter won the nomination. It was a second term challenge to a sitting President.

A lesson to us all TO SUPPORT A SITTING PRESIDENT. Remember this in 2020.

R442 - exactly you are making my point. There are hundreds of reasons to select a VP not the short list you provided.

R433 - read some history. Kennedy, the 1980 primary season and the convention doomed Carter. It had nothing to do with him being a second term president. It was the internal strife within his own party that caused the problem. Just like what might happen in 2016.

I think Joaquin Castro is a good VP pick... a great guy, and puts Texas in play.

But R445... don't we want someone attractive?

R446, Castro has a nice smile and a friendly, outgoing demeanor. He's like a puppy dog. That's a good counterbalance to Hillary's reserved, nerdy manner.

I have to agree with R444. I was still a kid then, but studied that election in college and have been talking to older friends and relatives about it lately and there are a lot of similarities to 2016.

People didn't feel good about Carter and Kennedy did not throw his full support behind him.

People were freaked out by Reagan and thought he'd start a nuclear war with Russia but they voted for his "Morning In America" message over Carter's pragmatic "No We Can't"

On the other hand, Reagan came off as a kindly old grandpa whereas Trump does not. So there's that.

R445 R447 I believe you mean Julian Castro.

I'm more fascinated by who Trump will choose.

Who will say "yes" to him?

Will the GOP try and force an establishment guy on him, maybe even Kasich? A Trump-Kasich ticket would be a lot stronger than Trump-Palin or Trump-Omarosa.

I doubt Kasich would run with Trump.

[quote]I'm more fascinated by who Trump will choose. Who will say "yes" to him?

Why, isn't it obvious? Eric or Don, Jr!

As I think about it, they might give it to Rubio, who is currently unemployed.

He's young so if he runs and loses or runs and wins, he'll be well positioned for next time

Rubio is done and over.

I thought Rubiio said he was done with politics?

The chance of Hillary winning in November is absolutely zero. She does not have enough popular support and she does NOT have the independents.

Exactly, R456! That's what all the numbers say!

[quote] Hillary needs to make peace with Sanders. If that means the VP slot - then so be it.

That is hilarious and you are insane. Exactly what planet are you from?

First of all Bernie brings nothing to the ticket in a general election. Second, Bernie would make a terrible VP. Absolutely terrible.

Forget Bernie's backing. He'll do some half hearted support and that's it. His gung ho acolytes are too far gone to expect they will move to support Hillary en masse. I'm sure some will come to their senses by November but that has nothing to do with Hillary giving anything to Bernie.

Having said that I'm sure Hillary will be as gracious as possible.

I think a VP slot would be a poor choice, but Clinton definitely needs to make some effort to reach out to Bernie and his supporters. You can't just write off someone who has won 17 states and counting. And you can't write off young voters entirely. Let's not forget that if it were up to the 45 and older crowd, we'd currently have President Romney. The Democratic Party needs to find a way to harness the enthusiasm of the Bernie supporters.

[quote] The chance of Hillary winning in November is absolutely zero. She does not have enough popular support and she does NOT have the independents.

Only 25% of Sanders' supporters say they won't vote for Clinton if she's the nominee. That leaves 75% of Sanders voters who will voter for Clinton in the general.

I'd say Clinton's changes are pretty good.

Hillary can't win the electoral count. She's too weak in the battleground states and too weak with independents. Both are required to win. This is really why she's panicking. Not over any threat from Sanders. He's not a factor. The nomination was a done deal before any vote was cast. The superdelegates were bought. Hillary will get the nomination. But she has no chance of getting 270 or more electoral votes in November. Independents will not vote for her. That's become apparent in these primaries. That's the real problem for her.

It would be nice if Mr. Doom and Gloom at R461 could post some links to back up his claims, but that will never happen, will it?

Over and Over you all keep saying negatives about HILLARY but she will be POTUS! Enough said!

R462 that might require bursting the magical thinking bubble. Just remember if you repeat a thing long enough maybe just maybe it will be true.

[quote]Independents will not vote for her. That's become apparent in these primaries. That's the real problem for her.

LOL. And just what about "these primaries" has made that apparent, you dumb shit?

R465 I guess that fucker meant caucus...big difference fool!

[quote][R462] that might require bursting the magical thinking bubble. Just remember if you repeat a thing long enough maybe just maybe it will be true.

Look, you posted a theory, that, as far as I know, currently exists only in your head.

Post some factual links or let it go.

R467 you might want to reread that post. I'm not the one that posted that theory.

Here's a hin R461 is the magical thinker.

Sorry, R464, I thought it was R461 again.

Well, if 25% of Bernie voters won't vote for Hillary, and 30% of Republicans won't vote for Trump, then what? Extremist Independents from both sides just stay home?

Clinton and Sanders both appeal to different kinds of independents - I think they both negate each other in terms of impacts on the general election. When you think about independents, you think about those who are't fans of establishment politics (and gravitate to a candidate like Sanders) and there are those who are very centrist (who gravitate towards Clinton who, although not particularly centrist, is not as extreme as Sanders (or Trump...))

For VP, if it's Trump I bet she goes for her own kind of Gore - younger, white, solid family, good-ole-boy type to offset the almost certain attacks on her likability, age and her family history. The Trump effect would suggest that there is a strong undercurrent view in the US that whites are being sidelined, and even if that's not a valid argument, it still bears political consideration. Opting for a Latino could possibly alienate white independents who will see it as tokenistic. But if it's Cruz she'll opt for a Latino VP, just to close off any impact on the Latino vote - Latinos won't vote for Trump, but they might for Cruz.

Sanders is too old to be VP - it's not good for campaigning when both candidates have a reasonable chance of not seeing out the next four years. Plus Bernie is too outspoken to be VP, which as the first ever VP said is "the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived." It doesn't sound like he has the people skills for Cabinet either. I think he may be happiest being a loud, outspoken Independent Senator from Vermont.

Sherrod Brown for HIllary, gets her Ohio

R472 not gonna be her choice for VP!

why not? r473

If the President is not a lawyer, the VP will be.

This sounds really vain, but Hillary really is gaining too much weight. You would think she was the surrogate for Chelsea. Perhaps she needs to take running for office a bit more literally.

I really feel if Bernie got the nomination, he could win...but could he get congress to work with him?

I fear Trump-Kasich will win the election.

HRC needs to leave the Democratic Party convention as the leader of the party. Even better she goes in as the leader of the party.

If you want to lead the party you have to either decimate your opponent - which she hasn't been able to do - or make peace with him.

If it takes the VP slot to shut Sanders up - then do it.

I promise you the last thing HRC wants is to win the nomination based upon super-delegate votes.

R47 If Americans vote-in members of congress who will work with him, yes.

It's up to us to vote them in.

NO fucking way should Sanders be the VP that is too old a ticket. He would be the worst to work with in my opinion. She needs a young man.

[quote] This sounds really vain, but Hillary really is gaining too much weight. You would think she was the surrogate for Chelsea. Perhaps she needs to take running for office a bit more literally.

Silly as it sounds, I was actually thinking today if Clinton can do one of those delivered meals plans that keep you fed on an optimal number of calories. But I suppose that's be difficult since she's on the road.

r478, Kasich is not going to run with Trump. He would just be governor of Ohio.

Sanders is not any more of a whack job than Biden. She can place him as VP. She is probably going to have to put him on the ticket in order to get his supporters to vote for her. They will vote Trump if Bernie is left in the mud. Hillary already has more than enough connections and coalitions in Congress already to get things done. We all know Bill will be the real VP anyway. And yes, Bernie actually can give her good advice, and encourage her better impulses. Lord knows Hillary always needs someone to push her to go left. You are fooled if you think Mr. Big Shot Sanders (with his newfound fame) wants to return to Congress next year.

Fuck Sanders and the Independents that will stay home. They aren't voting for Trump or Cruz. He must not be on the ticket. Just as bad a thought as Leiberman was. No to socialists already. Get outta here with that garbage. She'd have to worry him trying to kill her to get her job.

FUCK NO to Sanders. He doesn't belong in her cabinet, he needs to just retire in Vermont and leave America alone.

I imagine if Clinton picked Sanders as her VP, every time she wanted to work on an issue she'd have to pull him aside to explain, point by point, what the issue is about. Or she may just accept that he would embarrass her if he happened to publicly speak about it, or if he's interviewed by... let's say, NY Daily News.

In regard to independent voters, they are seventy percent for Sanders last time I checked.

For years we have been told elections are decided by the Independent vote. If Madam Secretary is the candidate, I sure hope that's not the case.

R485 - elections are won in swing districts. Do you know what that means?

R486 - your premise is that she has won? What's the problem?

r485, regardless Sanders does not belong on her tickets. Only 25% of independents are not going to vote for her not all of them just the white older men. So yeah Fuck them.

She will not run him as VP, never ever going to happen.

He has shown no loyalty to the democrats and Hillary IS establishment. She does not need another old man telling her what to do, she will have that in Bill. Next.

sorry, I referenced myself. That was for r488.

..........R486

r491, she would see that wagging finger all the time and she would kill him. We don't need that.

[quote][R486] - your premise is that she has won? What's the problem?

He'd be a dead weight. An old dead weight.

[quote] In regard to independent voters, they are seventy percent for Sanders last time I checked.

Only 1 in 4 Sanders voters said they would not vote for Clinton in the general. Last time I checked, that is.

r479, Sanders gets his big speech at the convention and then releases his delegates. Hillary will be a slam dunk leader of the party.

Ha ha! And maybe Bill might bang another intern in the White House. Oh my! How amusing that would be,

I'm not sure independents will play much of a role in November. Cruz and Trump are certainly not candidates who appeal to the bulk of independents. If they stay home for Clinton, they'll stay home for Trump/Cruz at similar rates.

To my dearest r449:

Sorry Charmaine, they were correct the first time. JOAQUIN NOT JULIAN.

You see there's this little thing called dealing with The Speaker of the House and stealth candidate Ayn Ryan. JOAQUIN has to deal with that nut job on a daily basis. Julian has a cushy job in the administration and doesn't deal with those sharks in congress.

Sisters and Brothers -

New York has enthusiastically welcomed Bernie back to his childhood home with open arms. Well, most of New York. There’s one very small part of the state that isn’t so excited to see him return.

Can you guess where?

An article titled "Jamie Dimon’s not-so-subtle warning for Bernie Sanders" welcomed our campaign to New York with this message from the Wall Street CEO: "Jamie Dimon waved a placard at Bernie Sanders in his annual shareholders letter on Wednesday. It says, in effect: 'Don’t Bite the Hand That Feeds Us.'"

Here’s the truth: from day one, Wall Street has contributed more than $21 million to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and super PACs, and they are going to do everything they can to stop us in New York. Because if we can win there, we’re going to win everywhere. The stakes are high in these next two weeks, and that’s why we have to ask:

Contribute $2.70 to our campaign today. If everyone who has signed up to support this campaign renewed their commitment with a contribution, we will have the resources we need to beat Wall Street in the New York primary.

In less than one year, our campaign has received more individual contributions than Barack Obama did during the entirety of his historic 2008 campaign — almost 7 million so far! But we cannot afford to stop now, and it is how we respond in this moment that could be the difference between victory and defeat for our political revolution. That’s why your contribution is so important.

In solidarity,

Jeff Weaver Campaign Manager Bernie 2016

$2.70? Is Bernie on sale now?

For the low low price of just $2.70 a person you too can own your very own nickel-plated slice of history!

(batteries not included)

Enough of Bernie!

Is that Bernie hailing a cab after not being able to figure out how to fit a NYC token in a Metrocard reader, R502?

If she cannot beat him in California, she truly does not deserve to be President

If he cannot give details to his platform hits, then he does not deserve to be President

"If she cannot beat him in California, she truly does not deserve to be President"

Meaningless...not only because Clinton will win California but also because there is absolutely no reason why beating your party opponent in any state means anything bigger than you beat your party opponent in that state.

If he can't do something as simple as releasing his taxes, then he doesn't deserve to be president.

Hillary will win NY. We don't buy Bernies nonsense here.

You have no idea. You say Bernie is no more a whack job than Biden, but you hav no idea. No one respected Bernie in the Senate. No one.They can't stand to have to deal with him. He's the guy they run the other way when he approaches.. He's a pain in the ass. He lectures people instead of listening. He never wants to cooperate. If you approach him to support something he'll tell you his better idea to do it different. It eats up a lot of time to convince him to vote for something.

When Obamacare was struggling to survive he sabotaged it, undermined it, introduced shit to add to it from the floor, disrupting things, every chance he got. He even tried to get his own "better " version introduced. Jonathan Alter has said on the record that Bernie was regularly slamming Obama and maligning him to the press directly, often "off the record" starting back in 2009, his first year as POTUS. He could do nothing right to satisfy Bernie.

Joe Biden has a long memory and can itemize the many many instances when he had to deal with Bernie. Cajoling him, spending hours discussing things, etc. to get a fucking vote out of him, or to tell him to back the fuck off. With all Joe's "unscripted moments" there is one thing you need to know about Biden. He is respected in the Senate. He is the consummate politician. You tell Joe what you need and he will figure out how to get there.

And he had very powerful friends that had his back. Guys like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, etc. Those guys were tight. Between they they got a lot done. Joe eearned their respect & their friendship because he worked for it. He didn't just rant & rave and talk down to everyone. They were far from saints, and they had missteps, but just from a purely political perspective that's who Joe is. Bernie has no friends. That's a fact. He might get along great with a few crazy assed professors arguing political theory on some campus in Vermont, but in the Halls of the Senate,Bernie and Joe have nothing in common.

We literally draw straws when someone has to talk with him. And the farts!

Julian Castro looks like Schlitzie the pinhead.

Oh god now I will never unsee that, r511. Well I guess he can make combating the Zika virus his pet project and get ahead of that!

Latest polls show she would not win against Kasich , so let's hope they don't broker it for him.

She's really not as popular in the democratic party as the hype creates her to be.

Any poll showing H losing to any Repub is ridiculous.

Bernie hasn't been vetted nationally, neither has Kasich. Both will have their assess spanked in a general election. Bernie seems like he has more skeletons in his closet than Kasich. If Bernie wins the nomination, it will end in tears for him.

Kasich is very conservative. He's so busy trying to seem reasonable compared to the nut jobs he's running against, people don't realize there isn't much space between him and the others. Just a better personality. Wait until they vett him.

[quote] Bernie seems like he has more skeletons in his closet than Kasich.

Why would you even say that? It's ridiculous. And even if Bernie had something to hide all he'd have to do is tell the Media that those questions are off-limits. You know, like his voting record and his taxes. Like his wife's bank fraud. Like him funneling campaign money to his family members. Like his wife's running a college into the ground.

He's been allowed to do it so far!

R515 you're right. Interesting Joy Reid was on Chris Matthews and said essentially the same thing I believe. Hillary & her campaign are handicapped by the fact they don't want to alienate Bernie voters so they tip toe around attacking him. Joy said Hillary needs to attack him if she's going to attack him, and quit trying to come at it sideways. I do feel she is limiting herself, while he doesn't give a fuck about alienating her voters, and he will lie and say anything. The media never fact checks him the just run with his smears. He knows that so it's part of his strategy. "Don't look at my record or my proposals, go after Hillary!" It works. Personally I want to see Hillary go after him at their debate and then I want her to stop debating. This debate shit is over. I'm tired of it.

R516 I think you've got something there. He really is rather extreme. He's just the least insane-sounding R.

r518, Hillary wanted to go after Trump and the Republicans not still be fighting with her primary opponent. They should both talk about their accomplishments, what they want to do for us and go on the attack against the REPUBLICANS. Every attack they make on each other is an Ad for the republican in the General.

R520 how has Hillary been attacking Sanders?

By having a coherent policy platform and a plan to implement it, R521. She's triggering him!

Thank you R521. Hillary has been careful even when criticizing him not to get personal. While he attacks her, smears her reputaion, impunes her character, etc. she says stuff like "his answers were troubling." She is civil. The Diplomat. He's an asshole. I think you have to deal with him and his supporters the way a mother deals with a very badly behaved, very spoiled 8 year old. That would be my strategy.

She's probably going to get stuck with one more debate in California. At least that's where I would debate him. Otherwise she needs to shut his shit down. These weekly or bi-weekly debates are dumb and I'm tired of them. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple more Town Halls. I think they would both be willing to do that. Bernie loves to go on TV. Loves it. He has been on more Sunday Talk shows than any other candidate except Trump.

[quote]He has been on more Sunday Talk shows than any other candidate except Trump.

That's a lie! It's impossible! How can that be when the Media has been ignoring him????

I am posting the same post on primary threads.

the bernies have been menaced, harassed and threatened by hillary bitches on the upper westside of manhattan.

they are trying to find out who we are, even sending a woman in wheelchair, to chat us up and get our identities in order to harass us.

there is a bull dyke, and a handful of mommy sycophants. if you know them ,stop them.

we will have the NY ACLU deal with them if they continue to hassle us.

the closet kills, people.

hillary had another coughing hack attack on a radio broadcast today.

she is coughing on her lies.

Louise Hay. we love her. she supported men w/ AIDS before anyone cared. ask her what the coughing means.

This is a California thread, why are you here r526

R526 is lost in the ether. Hey, 526, it can't be 4:20 all the time.

I'm gonna play Carnac.

Unofficially it's over April 26.

Officially it's over May 17. So say l.

It's over now.

R530 what is?

the polls are tightening by the minute in Pennsylvania and Maryland. It's really down to the wire, it's anyone's bet, Bernie's surging wildly, there's a lot of movement, the sky is falling, mass hysteria everywhere!

Bernie doesn't stand a chance, but he has brought major issues to the front which Hillary would have been all to happy to ignore if she was allowed to glide into her coronation. Love or hate Trump/Bernie this year has gotten people more energized about politics and the morons running our country.

And, R533, even more about the morons (Trump/Bernie) who WANT to run our country

Sanders has MOMENTUM! All he has to do is win the next 45 states.

Has Bernie dropped out yet? What's he running for at this point? Judas

Bernie can take California by 20 points and it wouldn't matter. And he's not doing that. So....

It's all over except for the crying admission of defeat

Looks like the young kids have changed their minds. . . . .

R539 how do you mean?

Meaning they have lost all momentum. He should just announce he is suspending his campaign. that would probably help to move on dot org

I saw the first bumper sticker on a car in California. It did say Feel the Burn. So he might have one vote here.

Why would anyone ruin their care with a bumper sticker?

R542 maybe it was a pro-Hillary bumper sticker; Sanders supporters spell it 'Fell the Bern."

Fell?

No it would be Feel the Bern. I think it was a Sanders bumpersticker, maybe it was for a hemorrhoid cream.

Bernie is a fruit cake. Thinks he can have a contested convention without the delegates to support it. The party is about to cut him off.

Rubio would run with Trump. They are all on the dark side

[quote]Nothing she can say will win us over. Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire and all that.

And nothing that idiotic, egomaniacal old man can say will win me over. He's the biggest fraud that's ever been perpetrated on the American electorate - and that's saying a lot.

Bernie Sanders’s Fund-Raising Plunges Amid Campaign Woes

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised just $25.8 million for his campaign in April, down by more than 40 percent from the previous month, as he faces an increasingly narrow path in the race for the Democratic nomination for president.

CLINTON will still take CA and WIN it!

Is Bern going to drop out after he loses Indiana?

He won Indiana. Barely.

SHE STILL GOT ONE MORE DELEGATE THAN HE DID!

It's OVER BernBitches! Give up!

Bernie net +6 delegates over Clinton in Indiana. That puts her at the horrifically advantaged position of still being THREE HUNDRED elected delegates ahead of Sanders.

By the numbers alone, 300 pledged delegates is a lot.

472 more superdelegates is a lot.

3 million more popular votes is a lot.

I hate to pull the woman card here, but isn't it a little suspicious that Hillary was beating Obama in the popular vote, and he had a lead of only 69 pledged delegates, but everyone insisted she was being petty and should drop out for the good of the party?

Meanwhile, math says she is killing Bernie on the numbers, and all we hear is "he should have the right to go on right up to the convention," party be damned, because he is a MAN and men's precious egos have to be babied and pampered, because their manly masculinity just can't be thwarted or stopped. Because, peen.

In 2008 Hillary was a defeated Democrat. She understood party unity.

In 2016 Sanders is a defeated Independent running as a Democrat who is more invested in HIS revolution, whatever that is, than actually moving legislation.

Once defeated he needs to be neutralized.

He is neutralizing himself, R554. The only thing he brings to the table are supporters. The longer he keeps this up the more that will abandon him because they don't want Trump as President. And those that remain won't vote ffor HRC anyway...so he is fast running out of his only currency.

[553] Yes, a common experience for women not just in politics. Men feel no compunction against challenging women's status in circumstances where they would defer to male colleagues. Of course, they deny it has anything to do with sex, but when the same pattern is repeated time and again, we know better.

What is Bern running for now? Old Guy who can't admit he is losing to a woman? Disgruntled freak who thinks there will be a revolution? Fame whore? Tax return hider?

If CA has an open primary, then GOPers can now crash the Dem election.

California has a Modified Closed Primary. Democrats and UNAFFILIATED voters may request a Democratic Primary ticket.

Sorry GOPers.

But again it is a PROPORTIONAL delegate distribution election.

Truth is Hillary may very well lose California, it's a "semi-closed" aka open primary. We all know what happened in Indiana. But in the end it doesn't matter, he has to win by double digits to even make a difference. And the chances of him doing that are slim to none.

R560 she statistically does better than Bernie does in Open Primaries.

I probably could have just left it at, "statistically does better," period.

Except in IN, R561.

The score so far:

HRC the nominee: 2201

BS who's full of BS: 1402

Just 181 to go! BYE BernCunts!

I would say it was fun but those Dawson and Sarandon Bitches put a kabosh to that.

The Vermont senator's aides see a path to the nomination through a convention battle in Philadelphia.

Is he going to try hypnosis?

I was on a high level Sanders conference call and this is the secret path to the nomination for Bernie in Philadelphia:

Picture yourself in a boat on a river

With tangerine trees and marmalade skies

Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly

A girl with kaleidoscope eyes

Cellophane flowers of yellow and green

Towering over your head

Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes

And she's gone

And VOILA! Hillary is gone!!!

Bernie would likely be booed at the convention by the visible demons. He has no path but he has his certainty! We are on our way! Delegates schmelegates. See you in the White House.

Sanders is no longer gaining... Hillary has a double-digit lead on him in the latest polling, and is expanding her lead over him.

R562, do you understand what "statistically" means?

Republicans will vote for Verbie in Cslifornia so Hillary better be camping out here soon.

Four years too early, R1.

Who's the troll bumping old political threads?

Who's the troll bumping old political threads?

Don't know but just block the Bernie troll bumping these threads.

It must wound him Bernie won't be the nominee despite Russian aid.