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Which singer raped a young girl?

This happened decades ago. He's still alive and in his 70s.

Any guesses?

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by Anonymousreply 98November 30, 2017 2:03 AM

All of them?

by Anonymousreply 1March 1, 2016 8:26 PM

All of them?

by Anonymousreply 2March 1, 2016 8:26 PM

Jinx! One of you bitches owes me a Coke.

by Anonymousreply 3March 1, 2016 8:29 PM

Rich Clifford?

by Anonymousreply 4March 1, 2016 8:30 PM

r4, it said "girl"

by Anonymousreply 5March 1, 2016 8:34 PM

I'm trying to think of the usual suspects in their 70s. Tom Jones, Rod Stewart in their 70s?

by Anonymousreply 6March 1, 2016 8:37 PM

Here's a list of possibilities...

[quote]So, who could it be? Here is a list of all the TOTP episodes from the start of '71 up until Claire's death at the end of March that year :

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by Anonymousreply 7March 1, 2016 8:43 PM

Is it an American?

by Anonymousreply 8March 1, 2016 8:48 PM

I'm looking at r7's list....maybe Tom Jones? Neil Diamond? Smokey Robinson?

by Anonymousreply 9March 1, 2016 8:52 PM

Doesn't R7's link include an article where the person says it is an American?

by Anonymousreply 10March 1, 2016 8:54 PM

[quote] ‘He’s an American singer and is still around today. He is still going and has had a “wonderful” career.’

Smokey Robinson (Your Wonderful, Sweet, Sweet Love and he won a "Mr. Wonderful" award)

Frankie Valli (covered What a Wonderful World)

Stevie Wonder ("isn't she lovely/isn't she wonderful")

Neil Diamond

The rest would be members of groups. If they're still performing, they couldn't really be considered to have wonderful careers.

by Anonymousreply 11March 1, 2016 8:59 PM

Oops. I forgot the link with the quote at r11.

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by Anonymousreply 12March 1, 2016 9:01 PM

It's Richard Carpenter

by Anonymousreply 13March 1, 2016 9:06 PM

Well, t wasn't me.

by Anonymousreply 14March 1, 2016 9:12 PM

Or me

by Anonymousreply 15March 1, 2016 9:12 PM

[quote](37) THE CARPENTERS – We’ve Only Just Begun (danced to by Pan’s People)

The Carpenters didn't appear; only their music.

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by Anonymousreply 16March 1, 2016 9:17 PM

Smokey Robinson still tours, I believe.....ugh, I hope it's not him. I'm a big fan.

by Anonymousreply 17March 1, 2016 11:45 PM

bump

by Anonymousreply 18March 2, 2016 8:12 PM

Gary glitter

by Anonymousreply 19March 2, 2016 8:14 PM

Probably Michael Jackson experimenting ...

by Anonymousreply 20March 2, 2016 8:20 PM

David Bowie. He's dead now so might as well rake up some muck.

by Anonymousreply 21March 2, 2016 8:26 PM

r20, Michael was a child himself at the time. Not that he had any interest in females, anyway. And Bowie loved him some underage groupies, that's the truth not "muck"

by Anonymousreply 22March 2, 2016 8:31 PM

It wasn't rape-rape.

by Anonymousreply 23March 2, 2016 11:41 PM

The lead singer of Led Zeppelin

by Anonymousreply 24March 3, 2016 12:02 AM

Whoever it is is American, according to the item. Not British. So not Rod Stewart, Robert Plant, Tom Jones, Gary Glitter. Somebody American, still alive and touring, and in his 70's.

by Anonymousreply 25March 3, 2016 12:28 AM

Franki Valli

by Anonymousreply 26March 3, 2016 12:28 AM

Bob Dylan?

by Anonymousreply 27March 3, 2016 12:57 AM

when was Dylan ever on TOTP?

Please Robert Plant never raped a teen. Page is another thing though...I don't think he ever appeared on TOTP either, when in LZ.

by Anonymousreply 28March 3, 2016 1:03 AM

I was just reading an article in the Times about the sale of his archive. So I threw his name out there. What do I know about early 70s Brit telly?

by Anonymousreply 29March 3, 2016 1:09 AM

Wonder is supposed to be a clue - Stevie Wonder was 20 and BLIND, so one would have thought she could have gotten away from a blind man.

by Anonymousreply 30March 3, 2016 1:11 AM

Not Stevie Wonder. He is 65, not in his 70's.

by Anonymousreply 31March 3, 2016 1:25 AM

Smokey is 76

by Anonymousreply 32March 3, 2016 1:29 AM

Aren't the surviving original Beach Boys all in their 70s?

by Anonymousreply 33March 3, 2016 1:30 AM

[quote]The world famous singer accused of having sex with 15-year-old [bold]Top of the Pops[bold] dancer Claire McAlpine is [bold]an American who is still touring today,[/bold]

[quote]committed suicide shortly after the alleged incident in 1971

[quote]In her last entry, in March 1971, she said: ‘I am just a dreamer and none of my dreams will ever come true and I just can’t face reality…. A month later, Miss McAlpine took an overdose of sleeping tablets.

[quote]‘He’s an American singer and is still around today. [bold]He is still going and has had a “wonderful” career.’[/bold]

So an American who performed on TOTP between January and March 1971 who is still performing today.

I think R7/R11 is on to something with the word, "wonderful"

R7's link:

[quote]Here is a list of all the TOTP episodes from the start of '71 up until Claire's death at the end of March that year

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by Anonymousreply 34March 3, 2016 2:29 AM

damn, sorry about the bold formatting

by Anonymousreply 35March 3, 2016 2:30 AM

Gilbert O'Sullivan! Who cares if he was Irish! You ever heard that song Clair?

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by Anonymousreply 36March 3, 2016 2:47 AM

Burt Bacharach

Lou Christie

Glen Campbell

James Taylor

Alice Cooper

Neil Sedaka

Billy Joel

by Anonymousreply 37March 3, 2016 3:50 AM

Al Bowlly

Justin Beiber

Billy Fury

Bradley Kincaid

Acker Hilk

Sam Collins

Carl T. Sprague

Harry Styles

Nat Gonella

Blind Lemon Jefferson

Emmett Miller

Chick Henderson

Luke Hemmings

Vernon Dalhart

by Anonymousreply 38March 3, 2016 4:18 AM

Also, Justin Bieber

by Anonymousreply 39March 3, 2016 4:20 AM

Donny Osmond, Jermaine Jackson, Tony Bennett, David Cassidy, Willie Nelson, Neil Young

by Anonymousreply 40March 3, 2016 4:32 AM

[quote]an American who is still touring today

Neil Diamond's tour just ended a couple months ago.

Ray Stevens in touring right now.

Fleetwood Mac still tours.

That's about it, unless I missed someone. I'm thinking the implication that it's Diamond is pretty obvious here, but I watched the performances on YouTube and didn't see Claire in the audience.

by Anonymousreply 41March 3, 2016 4:40 AM

sadly it could be almost anyone in the 60s or 70s. I don't think anybody gave a shit. really. I think Roman Polanski was honestly shocked that anybody gave a shit that he raped some underage girl, because in general nobody cared then. sad but true. (and yes I know, movies versus rock music, but same thing. celebrities were supposed to fuck anyone they wanted, at any age.)

by Anonymousreply 42March 3, 2016 4:43 AM

I take back what I said about Neil Diamond, at least a little, because the article quoted in R7 refers to the singer's "wonderful career" -- "wonderful" is in quotes.

Stevie Wonder, then? Did they just change the age a little bit to give them some legal wiggle room?

by Anonymousreply 43March 3, 2016 11:22 AM

Maybe, it is a singer who has 'wonderful' as part of the title of one of his songs. Any ideas?

by Anonymousreply 44March 3, 2016 11:28 AM

R44, see R11.

by Anonymousreply 45March 3, 2016 11:41 AM

Frankie Valli's in his eighties.

Not Lou Christie. GIRL, remember?

I would have to go with "all of them that aren't gay because they raped boys, obviously."

I was surprised by that Bowie fucked little girls, but I shouldn't be. Twelve-year-old girls with borderline personality disorder and not very attentive parents were probably pretty much all you could get when you were out touring the provinces so I think they developed a taste for them.

Roman Polanski is a predatory piece of shit who required all his actresses to worship his tiny todger. My guess is that the thirteen-year-old's mother knew damn well what was up and figured pimping her out to influential men was just the way you move your kid up the Hollywood ladder, but she panicked when the daughter came back sobbing that the dirty fuck had actually drugged and anally raped her. She probably turned him in because she was afraid the daughter would talk and implicate HER.

by Anonymousreply 46March 3, 2016 11:43 AM

It's Wonderful - The Young Rascals

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by Anonymousreply 47March 3, 2016 11:45 AM

*blushes

Thanks, R45. I was a bit lazy before.

by Anonymousreply 48March 3, 2016 11:45 AM

Smokey Robinson and Frankie Valli have both been mentioned, and Valli DID have a woman claim she was "taken" by him at 16. I linked to that article. But he's in his 80s.

Richard Carpenter is another decent guess, and the Carpenters had a song called "Your Wonderful Parade."

Lindsey Buckingham might qualify -- he's not in his 70s but he's a year older than Stevie Wonder and Fleetwood Mac had an album called "Mr. Wonderful."

No "wonderful" Neil Diamond songs that I can find. (No pun intended.)

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by Anonymousreply 49March 3, 2016 11:45 AM

Wonderful - the Beach Boys

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by Anonymousreply 50March 3, 2016 11:49 AM

The Beach Boys were never on TOTP, see list of performers @ R7.

The Carpenters didn't appear in person, R7's list says their music was played & the crowd was shown dancing.

Fleetwood Mac was a music video, not a live performance.

by Anonymousreply 51March 3, 2016 11:55 AM

Good catch, R51.

Valli seems to be the best guess given the story that went around about him last year, but he's 81. The "wonderful" clue seems to point straight to Stevie Wonder but he's only 65. "Heartthrob" and most of the other clues fit for Diamond, but "wonderful" doesn't. "Wonderful" fits for Smokey Robinson, but heartthrob DEFINITELY doesn't.

Typical blind item adding in things to completely obscure who they mean. And it seems the one thing from the girl's diary that was leaked has been judged as "probably an invention" so this very likely could be, too.

by Anonymousreply 52March 3, 2016 12:08 PM

'has been judged as "probably an invention" so this very likely could be, too.'

The people who considered Claire' diary entries ' an invention' were the coppers who didn't bother investigating in the 1970's.

Endemic sexual abuse of kids took place in British public institutions such as the BBC, where TOTP was filmed in the 1960's , 1970's and 80's. The TOTP presenters were BBC employees, DJ's at BBC Radio One. They and the acts were treated like gods, and blind eyes turned by management and police to sexual assaults that took place even on camera. Jimmy Savile raped an 8 year old boy in his TOTP dressing room. The on set photographer used his dressing room to take porn shots of underage girls.

It means nothing that the police rubbished this kid's diary entries as 'fantasies'. Many police were bent at that time and could be bought off for a few quid and some tickets to a show.

by Anonymousreply 53March 3, 2016 12:43 PM

Still alive…..

Elvis?

Oh, "70s."

He'd be 80.

And he didn't rape Pris. She gave him blow jobs until they married, she said.

by Anonymousreply 54March 3, 2016 12:43 PM

Elvis would never rape a girl. He loved too much of his mother. That says it all.

by Anonymousreply 55March 3, 2016 12:48 PM

In the 70s those girls wanted it. It's not rape if the girl says yes.

by Anonymousreply 56March 3, 2016 2:18 PM

I agree with that R56.

by Anonymousreply 57March 3, 2016 4:32 PM

Don't look at me. I only do boys.

by Anonymousreply 58March 3, 2016 4:41 PM

The diary apparently says that a string of celebrities "used" her (her words) and her mom reported the contents of the diary to the BBC, which did include stuff like being taken away and given drugs. The jury is out on whether it was consensual or not.

by Anonymousreply 59March 3, 2016 4:47 PM

I don't think the word "wonderful" is a clue. That is a person speaking, not a columnist writing a blind item and putting hints in sentence. A normal person saying "wonderful" i.e. they had a very nice, profitable career in contrast to the young person she knew committed suicide.

by Anonymousreply 60March 3, 2016 5:16 PM

r60 is on point.

by Anonymousreply 61March 3, 2016 5:19 PM

The word just doesn't happen to be in quotes for whatever reason, though. If the woman said "wonderful" with a certain inflection or with air quotes, then it becomes either sarcastic or a pun.

Anyway, I thought this was pretty interesting: the girl's death made the papers back in 1971. Apparently there was a family fight on March 29, 1971, and she killed herself that night. (I linked to copies of that article but the site is a Defend Jimmy Savile site so take the commentary with a grain of salt. The article seems to be real though.)

Per the friend quoted in the Mirror, she was with the famous star about two weeks before she died:

[quote]She told me she was going for a drink with this star. ... “After the recording she came to me and asked, ‘Can I stay at yours tonight?’ I said yes, and she said I’ve got to tell my mum where I am. ... Over the years I’ve thought about the alibi I gave her for that night and I wish I hadn’t. Within a couple of weeks she was dead.”

If we take that at face value and add in everything else we were told in the Daily Fail, there's really only one person it could be -- conveniently, it's the one person who the "wonderful" quote doesn't make any sense about, not unless it's "Oh he's soooo wonderful" kind of sarcasm.

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by Anonymousreply 62March 3, 2016 6:37 PM

It's Bieber. there are people younger than him.

by Anonymousreply 63March 3, 2016 6:39 PM

I most certainly do not, r57.

by Anonymousreply 64March 4, 2016 12:30 PM

Who does r62 think the person allegedly may be? I cannot figure it out.

by Anonymousreply 65March 5, 2016 3:08 PM

I agree with all of them.

by Anonymousreply 66March 5, 2016 3:19 PM

There are defend Jimmy Savile sites? Jesus fucking christ. I had no idea, I thought everyone pretty much knew what a scumbag he was and wouldn't bother defending him. Is it his family or something?

[quote] Please Robert Plant never raped a teen. Page is another thing though...I don't think he ever appeared on TOTP either, when in LZ.

Nope, it's not Jimmy Page, R28. There are too many stories from women he chased around hotel rooms and let go when they didn't want to fuck him. He's not a rapist. Led Zep were wild but they were actually decent guys. Page had a relationship with a teenage groupie named Lori Maddox that was characterized as statutory rape because of her age. It was consensual and Maddox has recently gotten some attention talking about how the late, great David Bowie took her virginity (before her relationship with Jimmy Page). She was one of the groupies with Pamela des Barres.

by Anonymousreply 67March 5, 2016 3:38 PM

Diamond, R65. International singing star who's in his 70s, American, still touring, former "heartthrob," and performed on TOTP two weeks before Claire killed herself. But the "wonderful" hint doesn't fit him at all.

I dunno, I suspect the details have been a little fudged in this news story, because it's almost like a blind item rather than actual news. And I can't get past the fact that Frankie Valli also fits except he's 81, but he was recently outed as someone who boffed teens back in the 1970s.

by Anonymousreply 68March 5, 2016 4:05 PM

[quote]ANNE MURRAY – Snowbird

Anne Murray with a strap on.

by Anonymousreply 69March 5, 2016 4:45 PM

OK, thank you r68!

Still, I googled pics of Neil Diamond - he was one hot Jew when he was younger. I realize that does not mean anything, but I find it difficult to think he raped a girl.

by Anonymousreply 70March 7, 2016 10:20 PM

The law about minors begs to differ, r56 and r57.

by Anonymousreply 71March 7, 2016 10:41 PM

Who was that BBC DJ that got sacked last week in conjunction with this girl's suicude, and is now suing the BBC? Maybe some of the names above match up with names he was connected with (the committee didn't believe his story and he was summarily sacked by the BBC over this).

by Anonymousreply 72March 7, 2016 10:47 PM

That was Tony Blackburn, r72, but you can probably find pictures of him with everyone on the list.

With Smokey Robinson...

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by Anonymousreply 73March 7, 2016 10:51 PM

With Neil Diamond, perhaps from the period of time in question...

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by Anonymousreply 74March 7, 2016 10:52 PM

r73/74, good finds

by Anonymousreply 75March 7, 2016 11:48 PM

I vote for Smokey. He has always been quite the scoundrel.

by Anonymousreply 76March 7, 2016 11:49 PM

I vote for Stevie Wonder. After all, it's a blind item!

by Anonymousreply 77March 8, 2016 4:59 AM

[quote] Wonder is supposed to be a clue - Stevie Wonder was 20 and BLIND, so one would have thought she could have gotten away from a blind man.

Unless she was blind too...

by Anonymousreply 78March 8, 2016 5:02 AM

I bet it was Johnny Mathis, who sang "Wonderful! Wonderful!"

He can't keep his hands off young girls!

by Anonymousreply 79March 8, 2016 5:07 AM

Those are great pics of Blackburn.

The Neil Diamond one is from the mid 1970s, after Diamond went completely fucko bazoo for a while and wore suit jackets and sunglasses 24/7. I agree with the guy upthread, in 1971 he was hot. Not so much a few years later.

(I was looking for the larger version of that picture and for some reason pictures of Terry-Thomas kept popping up in my search results. That's weird.)

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by Anonymousreply 80March 8, 2016 10:15 AM

Rape is about violence, it's not about changing your mind, or being drunk or make stupid decision nor is it about being underage. It is wrong to have sex with underage but it's not rape.

by Anonymousreply 81March 8, 2016 11:29 AM

Art Garfunkel

by Anonymousreply 82March 8, 2016 11:56 AM

r81, are you deliberately being obtuse (Read: Immeasurably stupid)? Google "Statutory RAPE."

by Anonymousreply 83March 8, 2016 2:40 PM

DM is purposely blurring the lines between consensual statutory rape and violent rape. Claire apparently told people she was 23 (per The Mirror articles), she looked older than her age, and she had sex with this singer willingly, so I doubt there's going to be much outrage in this instance.

Not saying there shouldn't be outrage but this is kind of an iffy case. It's all rape, but society doesn't think "having sex 45 years ago with a willing 15-year-old who lied about her age and looked older than she was" is a huge deal.

by Anonymousreply 84March 8, 2016 2:55 PM

"Claire apparently told people she was 23 (per The Mirror articles), she looked older than her age, and she had sex with this singer willingly, so I doubt there's going to be much outrage in this instance."

How do you know what happened if you weren't there? Funny how some people here will shit on an 18-year-old who hooked up with a 15-year-old he thought was 18 on grindr....but straight men who do things that are much worse get a free pass

by Anonymousreply 85March 8, 2016 8:37 PM

I have no idea what 18-year-old you're talking about, and I'm not giving anyone a pass. We don't even know who it is!

And no, even with the friend's salacious Daily Mail version of the story, it's not "much worse" than any other instance of a 15-year-old having consensual sex 10 months before they're legally able to consent.

by Anonymousreply 86March 9, 2016 11:21 AM

r86, there was a thread here about several guys (one of whom was only 18, I think another was 20) who were arrested for hooking up with a 15-year-old on grindr. The 15-year-old claimed to be 18.

by Anonymousreply 87March 9, 2016 11:57 PM

Didn't Ted Nugent brag about how many underage girls he deflowered back in the day? It was sport with him.

by Anonymousreply 88March 10, 2016 12:18 AM

Wasn't he the one that "adopted" a young girl so he could fuck her r88?

by Anonymousreply 89March 10, 2016 12:22 AM

I remember watching a B-Movie on USA's Up All Night, starring Rock Hudson as a gym coach, and he went around boinking all the high school cheerleaders. I forget the name but I recall thinking, I guess they didn't care in the 70s if old guys fucked young chicks

by Anonymousreply 90March 10, 2016 12:23 AM

r88, the worst thing about that is that Ted likes to attack gays for their "immorality" - get off your high horse, dude

Steven Tyler is another one who banged underage groupies without really getting called out for it, but at least he's not a freeper turd like Nugent

by Anonymousreply 91March 10, 2016 12:27 AM

The Nuge and Jimmy Page were the worst two offenders in the underage girl area. BOTH were particularly fond of 13 year old girls and were not attempting to hide their obsession back in the early 70s. I know, I was there.

by Anonymousreply 92March 10, 2016 12:41 AM

It's Tom Jones. There are links online to the court documents filed in South Africa against him that available online.

by Anonymousreply 93July 2, 2017 1:35 AM

Tom Jones ain't American.

by Anonymousreply 94July 2, 2017 1:45 AM

Stevie Wonder. He didn't see anything wrong with it.

by Anonymousreply 95July 2, 2017 2:23 AM

So who was it?

by Anonymousreply 96November 29, 2017 10:40 PM

james taylor

by Anonymousreply 97November 29, 2017 10:58 PM

Ted Nugent

by Anonymousreply 98November 30, 2017 2:03 AM
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