If Bernie wins NV then is Hillary done?

He's ahead by 19, I worry that my be the case.

link please r1. Thanks.

Will you Bernbots give it a rest for at least a couple of days?

Still waiting for that link!

The poll out of NV that had them tied was horseshit, Maddow looked into it

He's NOT going to win Saturday, although it will be somewhat close.

Besides WHY would it over for her? She's ahead of him in South Carolina by more than 50 points.

Now I get to start a Las Vegas style grease for you OP for thinking she's going to drop out because YOU said so. I already have the gunpowder and the lighter fluid just for an idiot like you. The vat's waiting for you.

Coming from a nursing home rapist such as yourself r6, that's rich.

No, OP... she'll still be way ahead in the delegate count. And she'll be taking South Carolina easily.

This isn't going to be over anytime soon.

Nevada means little in the final tally. The big contest is coming up on Super Tuesday. That's when the vote goes on in several states all on the same day. If Hillary gets swept then, she will be in trouble. Otherwise she can continue on.

Who is Maddow rooting for? I haven't seen her show in a long time.

R7 I'm hurt by YOUR words.

Let me stop bullshitting. Grease are specifically made for rancid cunts like you. Your horrific and well deserved death can't come soon enough.

That's sweet, r11. You must be fun at parties. Hopefully you and your family will be in a plane crash soon.

What do the Nevada polls say at present!

No way Bernie will catch her in Nevade. This will be the beginning of the end for Bernie's campaign

Seriously, what do the Nevada polls indicate at present?

r15 Looks like nobody knows - Very little polling has been done in NV - Democrats are able to register at their caucus location on the day of which would seem to favor younger voter participation - I live in Las Vegas and have been contacted by both campaigns - The Sanders Campaign has even been emailing me asking me if I plan to caucus for Bernie on Saturday - I replied today that I would be caucusing for Hillary and received the following response "Good luck, you'll need it!" - Both Hillary and Bernie held rallies today in Las Vegas - The NV Democratic Party is also holding caucuses on The Strip Saturday so that casino workers can participate - This move benefits Hillary as she has the endorsement of the Las Vegas Culinary Union, a very influential and powerful group of people in Southern Nevada - We will see how it all shakes out on Saturday

Super Tuesday is probably going to close the door on one of them. Speaking realistically, it will probably be when Bernie gets shut out of the running. So far the states have been small and democrats in them are mostly college kids and white liberals. Once the primary opens up to the big states it gets very, very hard for Bernie.

I honestly don't see how he can do it. I think people hoping for a miracle are like Christie hoping for a third place showing in NH.

Do you trust the Inquisitr?

Do you have a link to the Culinary Union endorsement, r16? Last I heard, they weren't endorsing anyone until after the Nevada caucus. There's certainly no love lost between the old-guard Culinary members and the Clinton campaign after the 2008 election.

Thanks, R16. That was a bit flippant of the Sanders volunteer to say that, considering they'll need your vote if their candidate wins the primary.

Even at this time of maximum momentum for the Sanders campaign, Clinton is up between 16 and 40 points in California, New York, Florida and Texas. How can Bernie possibly surmount that?

I think the sanders people have to focus on what's really important in 2016 and that is not hating Hillary.

Nevada's caucus system is reportedly Byzantine and difficult to poll, so there's little information available. That said, Hillary's campaign manager Robby Mook managed her campaign in Nevada in 2008.

It's not over for Hillary until Super Tuesday, but it's over for Bernie if he doesn't win in Nevada *and* South Carolina. If he wants to prove that his followers are serious, let's see him tell them to protest and demonstrate until the Senate advises and consents to Obama's SCOTUS nomination. It's the best chance we have of seeing any if Bernie's proposals come to fruition given the makeup of the House, regardless of whether he wins or not. A Constitutional amendment is extraordinarily difficult for a reason, and the best chance we have is for another case to be brought before a newly-oriented Court to reverse Citizens United.

[quote]It's not over for Hillary until Super Tuesday, but it's over for Bernie if he doesn't win in Nevada *and* South Carolina.

Agree. The really big states are all solidly behind Clinton so Bernie has to win everywhere else to make any kind of showing at the convention.

My guess is that Hillary wins South Carolina; Bernie wins Nevada.

Super Tuesday — which is March 1, 2016 — will give the indication of who wins the nomination. M

R21,

Iowa and New Hampshire begin the national trends for both parties.

You’re not informed with those likely outdated numbers.

Rhode Island is the most important state, though, isn't it?

R25, Iowa and New Hampshire have the first scheduled primaries. They do not "begin the trends". Cite your sources or I'll give you a C-, millennial bernbot.

As Delaware goes, so goes the nation!

[quote]Iowa and New Hampshire begin the national trends for both parties.

No, not for the democrats they don't. Not at all.

Nevada leads the nation in foreclosures. Bernie has been speaking out against the crooked banks for years.

He will slaughter Hillary in Nevada.

Hillary's fave Goldman Sachs has yet another scandal.

Bill Clinton is sabotaging his wife as usual. He did it in 2008 too.

The statement linked below is going to hurt Hillary in NV and SC.

Yes, she will drop out immediately to satisfy neocon Bernie Bro!

The only way Hillary's narrative of taking it all ends is if he wins SC, and then makes huge gains on Super Tuesday, and that's not going to happen.

Your boy's day in the sun is almost over, thank god.

[quote]Rhode Island is the most important state, though, isn't it?

No. North Dakota is. Then Montana, Wyoming, and South Dakota.

[quote]"Good luck, you'll need it!"

Tacky

Why can't whomever wins name the other one as running mate?

Here's a good article and table on what each campaign is targeting for each contest.

Cue another meltdown over superdelegates in 1...2...3...

If Bernie continues to do well Obama will nominate Hillary for the Supreme Court, this gives her a graceful out.

[quote]No. North Dakota is. Then Montana, Wyoming, and South Dakota.

Actually the decisive battlegrounds are American Samoa, Guam and the Virgin Islands.

R33 is bitter.

Sad.

R36, Hillary & Bernie won't name each other as VP because ....

It might be considered a step down from Senator/Sec of State. Politicians rarely take a lower position, unless there's been a scandal (S. Carolina Governor Mark Sanford; NY Governor Eliot Spitzer).

Also, they're both at the same political end of the spectrum, they need a more conservative person to balance out. It would also help if that person was Latino from a swing state, too. Florida, Texas, Virginia maybe.

Also, who knows if they can even stand each other? Neither is willing to give up the top spot just yet.

r36 because socialist.

[quote] Even at this time of maximum momentum for the Sanders campaign, Clinton is up between 16 and 40 points in California, New York, Florida and Texas. How can Bernie possibly surmount that?

Citing polls that were done months ago or even weeks ago is irrelevant. There were polls in the fall that had Hillary ahead by 40 points in Iowa. Until we get more recent polls and the candidates start actively campaigning in other states we don't know where the race really stands in those states.

OP, ask yourself, If Hillary wins NV then is Bernie done? It is unlikely either of these candidates are done until it is mathematically impossible for them to win the nomination.

[quote] Do you have a link to the Culinary Union endorsement, [R16]? Last I heard, they weren't endorsing anyone until after the Nevada caucus.

You're correct. The Culinary Union isn't endorsing. Either R16 is just making shit up, or in his/her delusional mind, everyone is endorsing Hillary.

Republicans have run a really nasty push-poll with completely bogus results to make Bernie look good and Hillary look like she's having real trouble in the state.

Republicans are doing a LOT of funding of Bernie campaigns.

That should tell you something: They're terrified of a Hillary presidency, and think they can beat Bernie in a walk.

The CU is NOT endorsing Hillary, as of yet, or perhaps at all. What's really interesting is the lack of polling after her stunning defeat in NH, and before the foaming at the mouth bot boys run in with their digital pitchforks to refute, it WAS a stunning loss, one her campaign did not expect, no matter what you read.

The culinary union, which was surreptitiously invaded by Sanders campaign workers, is not endorsing anyone before the caucuses this year.

Its membership has overwhelmingly endorsed Nevada State Sen. Ruben Kihuen in the current Democratic primary for the 4th Congressional District. He is a superdelegate pledged to, and campaigning for, Clinton.

His opponent, Lucy Flores, was not endorsed by the members of the culinary union. She is supporting Sanders.

Her defeat in NH wasn't "stunning" it was expected. And he had approximately the same exact percentage support back in 2008 when she WON.

Sorry. You're wrong in your assertion. The campaign DID expect it, no matter what you say. I actually followed the campaign and the polling, so your attempt to rewrite history here is pretty obvious to me.

Nevada State Senator Ruben Kihuen at a Las Vegas Marriage Equality rally.

Looking like more cracks in her structures.

Nevada State Senator Ruben Kihuen's ice-bucket thing.

I’m looking forward to the general election if Donald Trump vs. Bernie Sanders.

It sounds like it's going to be much like Iowa. A near tie. So, Hillary is still the most likely nominee in the end.

When will it EVER end with you BernBros?

By now even you have to know the GOP are sharpening their knives to stab Bernie Caesar Style.

Their cheerleading on his behalf is VERY creepy. Whatever movement Sanders is trying to push will burst into flames. The Republicans will see to that.

For the umpteenth time, the GOP wants you fighting. They want you to stay at home if HRC gets the nod. That's the whole point.

What's telling is the BernBros ignore the half of the country that isn't liberal or liberal leaning. Have fun with that. The Right is not ignoring YOU at all. Thanks to Scalia's, EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN WILL VOTE NOVEMBER no matter WHO their nominee is. I can guarantee it.

[quote]polls that were done months ago or even weeks ago

No they are the current RCP poll numbers which include polls from after Iowa and NH.

Wow, Ruben's hot. Any more info on him?

I like Bernie, but I think Bernie as the nominee = Trump win.

Has Celine Dion endorsed anyone yet? She carries a lot of weight in Vegas.

Me too, R58. I guess when one has more than student loans to worry about, and a decent knowledge of recent history, Bernie is great, but we have a Supreme Court seat, which can make all of the difference in our country, is up for grabs I don't think a socialist will beat the ultimate symbol of the 1%,

R59, no one in the US cares what a Canadian pop diva has to say about the potential president.

[Quote] no one in the US cares what a Canadian pop diva has to say about the potential president.

I believe r59 was joking. Sheeeesh.

Cher sent water to Flint, so maybe we should listen to the pop divas.

[quote]Has Celine Dion endorsed anyone yet? She carries a lot of weight in Vegas.

Well, about 220 pounds less than she used to.

Bern Bros and Bern Hos'

Your thrill and zeal don't go over so well with black ministers and church ladies. Heard it yesterday from the pulpit.

No. Bernie does not have the troops to win Super Tuesday.

...........

I think he will win in Nevada ,but Hillary will win in South Carolina.

Bernbots -

Please learn how the nomination process actually works before posting your uninformed and silly questions.

The nomination process to identify a candidate is not a general election won by popular vote, nor should it be. It is a process which allows the party to identify the potential candidate with the strongest overall support within the party itself behind whom it can put all of its resources in the general election against the opposing party's candidate.

Super delegates, which Bernbots whinge as a flaw in the system, is actually a feature of it to ensure that we don't end up with a Trump-type candidate.

[quote]Super delegates, which Bernbots whinge as a flaw in the system, is actually a feature of it to ensure that we don't end up with a Trump-type candidate.

Well, actually, a Saunders-type candidate, truth be told.

The DNC changed the whole superdelegate process in the 80s out of fear when Jesse Jackson actually looked like he might go somewhere. The guilt over this is what made the DNC & superdelegates become Clinton turncoats and pledge Obama in 08.

She is running the worst campaign in recent history, even more clueless than her 2008 debacle, I mean really...

R71, Politico? Sheesh, as clueless as the idiot quoting the NY Post...

I live in Nevada and have had two Bernie Sanders people call me so far. Both sounded pretty old (interesting), both offered zero arguments as to why I should vote for Bernie and both immediately hung up when I said I supported Hillary. I kind of expected some type of argument in favor of Bernie, but nothing. Absolutely no comments from them at all, which was weird.

Hillary's group called once, it was a younger woman that spent a long time discussing Hillary with me. She seemed to be fairly well informed, but defensive.

I don't know of anyone here who blames "the big banks" for the housing industry falling apart, as much as they blame extreme overbuilding of cheap houses which were then sold at sky high prices. When the market crashed, there were a lot of crappy overpriced houses underwater and people just dumped them and went back to Okefenokee.

A lot of people in Las Vegas are from somewhere else and they went back there. Virtually every house built in the last two years before the crash ended up underwater. My house doubled in price in two years, so you can't say that pace was going to last.

The issue here was loss of construction jobs, and loss of tourism due to economic recession elsewhere. For a few years, you could literally drive down the street near my home and one strip mall after another was completely vacant. The big box stores were all out of business, dragging down everything else. It looked like a modern day Great Depression. Nevada was one of the hardest hit states in the country.

I'm not saying banks didn't have their hand in that, I'm just saying that Las Vegas was extremely real estate powered and not diverse, too much wild speculation in the housing market with too much risk. Builders were extremely reckless. Everything that was in progress when the Great Recession happened was either put on hold, downgraded in size, or stopped in the middle. Near the Strip, builders were continuing to build with absolutely no buyers in sight.

How does that translate to votes? I'm not sure it's quite as simple as, "if the banks had been fine there never would have been a housing bubble." Construction firms were putting out cardboard shacks, charging a fortune and that couldn't have been sustained forever. But maybe others don't think of it like that.

How could Trump win? Who would ever vote for him and why?

Hillary will WIN NV right after her win in SC...don't worry!

r73 you are doing this wrong. It's KILL THE WALL STREET OVERLORDS! RAPE THEIR WIVES AND HUSBANDS! MAKE THEM PAY FOR YOUR STUDENT DEBT AND DAY CARE!

[quote] Hillary will WIN NV right after her win in SC...don't worry!

That'll be hard, considering that the Nevada caucus comes a week before the SC primary.

R76, I will try that method:

I'm so mistreated! Free stuff! If Bernie says so, it will happen, even if there isn't a single Republican Congress member that will vote for it! Old women are ugly and disgusting! And not hip!!!!!1!!!!!11!

Feel the BERN!

R77 thought SC was first then NV oooooops still she's gonna WIN both states!

The world is more about those over 40 then those clueless millennials that are under 40 they have no idea what socialism is about....their parents should advise them properly to NOT vote for Bernie...Come on Mommy & Daddy you know better and that Bernie will not win the election! The USA will not become a Socialist Country!

Hillary is on track to lose NV! Total collapse on the way!!!!!!!!

R81, your definition of "total collapse" is ... amusing.

So if Hillary wins South Carolina by a large margin, will you be predicting Bernie's "Total Collapse"?

Or are you just horribly biased and spinning your little wheels off?

Her health is falling apart as well, serious serious health issues, second manic coughing fit in less than a month, very troubling.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Speaking as much as she has and does has to take a toll on anyone.

And Bernie isn't any healthier, and he IS a lot older.

So fuck off with that shit.

Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina are really among the least representative states in the union. Why do we care what their voters think?

Hillary is narrowly ahead in Nevada. How is that going to work out for Bernie?

link, r87. Thanks.

[quote]Who is Maddow rooting for? I haven't seen her show in a long time.

She seems to be playing it right down the middle, which is what I'd expect from a pro.

[Quote] She seems to be playing it right down the middle, which is what I'd expect from a pro.

[Bold] SHE HATES HILLARY AND IS CLEARLY A BERNBOT! LAST NIGHTS SHOW WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF IT!

Relaxing, deep breaths, R90.

The last time I saw Rachel, Bernie's dick was so far down her throat I thought she'd gone straight.

I was angry talking to some people about this election. These were people who said they wanted Hillary but they were going to vote for Sanders to force her to move to the left.

I was telling them they were playing a reckless game because they know that Sanders can't win in the General and they are really doing the work of the republicans without even realizing it.

OP, it ain't over, till it's over.

R93 they don't need to help the Repugs. You just know that enormous amounts of the funding to Bernie is coming from the Koch Bros funnelled through the "little people" who are also no doubt paying plenty of trolls on social media to fake being BernieBots.

The Clintons are always the GOP's biggest nightmare.

Koch money funded through others - isn't this illegal?

Maddow may love Bernie but I would like to think that she is smart enough to realize that his promises of pixies and fairies may not be reality.

Hillary is ahead by nearly 20 points, so I don't think it's an issue.

Nate Silver upped Hillary's chances of winning to 69%- up from 50% yesterday.

Why don't you bitches ever include links?

People are voting wrong! Get out there and stop them! Voters can not be allowed to decide for themselves!

OK I'll bite. It's called a discussion and opinions R101. Maybe you didn't take that course in school yet. Take it in your sophomore year.

Hillary COUGHED! She must be dying of lung cancer! MUST BE!

HILLARY!

COUGH!

CANCER!

CONSUMPTION!

PANTS SUIT!

BENGHAZI!

FEEL THE BERN!

She's gonna need a bigger cough...

That post nasal drip can kill!

She's probably coughing from dry throat from talking in overheated rooms for days on end. Bernie could barely croak out a few words after New Hampshire. It's the dry heat from being in cold places with the heat on high.

In addition the AFL-CIO decides to withhold any endorsements, big plus for Bernie, it's really feeling like 2008 implosion. Expect a shocking turn shortly, if it's a squeak win or loss in NV it's done.

WAIT! There's a death watch on Hillary?

Good. Now I can pick out drapery.

[quote] Hillary is ahead by nearly 20 points, so I don't think it's an issue.

Nope. The new CNN poll has her ahead by only 1 point in Nevada.

I was lampooning these threads which are trying to get voters to switch their votes.

"[R36] because socialist."

English, please.

112 reasons (and counting!) Hillary Clinton should be our next president and she will be!

It's really nearing an end.

The town hall meeting just showed how stupid the millennials are.

Millennial: We young people just don't trust politicians. Hillary: Sanders has been in office longer than I have been.

I know what you mean, R115!

Sanders: in the Senate 25 years.

Hillary: in the Senate 8 years.

Millennials: we want an outsider, from outside Washington, like Bernie!

Reality: *rolls eyes*

The Empress has no clothes.. never did.

Millennial: I don't want to listen to a pro-war, career criminal establishment elite for four years as she sells us out at every turn.

You sound like a Republican, R118.

The only cunt is you.

Bernie's favorite dish is Korean Puppy Flambé. He's a monster.

No cunt for you, R118? Now why would that be, is it because every woman on earth is nothing but a set of genitals to you, instead of a human being, or because you're gay?

If you're gay and a millennial, I'd just like to explain, since you probably don't know, we're voting for President, nobody actually expects you to have sex with any of them, thank god. You couldn't pay me to have sex with Bernie.

If you're one of those BernieBros that constantly has to refer to every woman in sight as a cunt, because you're a sniggering little frat boy that hates women, then go collect your 25 cents for the post.

Coffin. Nails.

Bullshit Bernie is 75 more like 85. Way to old.

Hillary is gravely ill, more like hungry zombie. Cunts.

and?

Hillary probably has bronchitis from hanging around in cold New Hampshire. She's not dying. I've had it a million times and I'm still alive.

If you can't shake off bronchitis pretty quickly, it can settle in and become chronic, and drag on for months. She needs to go to some hot place and burn it out, but she can't because she's in the campaign trail. Antibiotics don't always work, especially if you can't stay indoors where it's warm.

Believe me, I know. I've had it from February to August, with six antibiotic refills. I've been going through this most years since my twenties. Being tired and working when you're sick just drags it out. Oddly, you feel absolutely fine though. The coughing upsets others more than the person themselves. Nothing cures it like laying out in the sun.

So don't be surprised if she keeps right in coughing for a while. Eventually she has to go to colder states and that's not going to help.

[quote] Nothing cures it like laying out in the sun.

You've just proved that, for you, bronchitis is purely psychosomatic.

Perspective from a layman Canadian millennial:

Sanders may win Nevada. Or Clinton still may. Its a toss up, but possibly leaning more Sanders this time compared to Iowa. Clinton will likely win South Carolina. But Sanders may succeed in getting within 10-15 points if he gets any sort of significant boost in the next week, especially if he wins Nevada.

So: Worst case for Sanders this month: He loses Nevada and loses South Carolina big. This doesn't take him out of the race but it does put too much pressure on him for Super Tuesday and he may break then. Neutral or bad news for Sanders, good news for Clinton. Best case for Sanders this month: He wins Nevada and loses South Carolina. This probably keeps him either stable or on his continued (slight to bigger bumps) upward trajectory. Good news for Sanders, bad news for Clinton.

Conversely: Worst case for Clinton this month: She loses Nevada and wins South Carolina. To be clear, I said win, not 'win big'. This will be devastating to her campaign and she'll be scrambling afterwards. Best case for Clinton this month: She wins Nevada and wins South Carolina big. This will stall or hurt Sanders and only help Clinton as it'll finally boost her Winner narrative at long last.

Basic prediction: Sanders wins Nevada and Clinton wins South Carolina big. Both present themselves strongly but I don't think SC will slow down Sanders much. This race may be much more decided next month. Clinton has been pretty consistently losing support (Biden 'drop out' ping doesn't count, and December slight bump is nearly nothing), while Sanders has been pretty consistently (albeit to small to large degrees) gaining support, so it'll be interesting to see if any SC win clearly helps her out or whether it just stops her from losing harder nationally.

Unlikely outcomes: -Sanders or Clinton win big in Nevada (especially Clinton?). It seems like it'll be at least fairly close. -Sanders wins South Carolina big (maybe if this went on for another month, but not now; unless polling is soooo off) -Either lose either state hugely; the race itself is tight now, like it or not. Even in terms of the supposed Clinton-winning super delegates, these are declared, but they're NOT secured and can and may change at any point until securing at the convention.

Oh I forgot to add: Summary - No, Hillary is not done. However, her inevitability narrative would all but end (it'd really end in a lackluster or worse performance next month), at least if added to a strong, albeit losing performance in SC by Sanders. It'd add to a possible extended fight between establishment and grassroots, both getting louder and/or more active in attempts to win.

[quote] She needs to go to some hot place and burn it out, but she can't because she's in the campaign trail.

How do the candidates do it? Hillary and Bernie are both old, and they have to maintain a grueling schedule for months on end with no days off. When they're on the campaign trail, they're eating crappy food and exposed to all sorts of germs, and they have to talk all day long. They appear on the morning news shows and the evening news shows too. They can't be getting more than 4 or 5 hours of sleep at night. What would happen if one of them got very ill and had to miss a whole week or two of campaigning and debates? Do they have access to some special top-secret miracle drugs that keep them going?

Oh and in terms of any similarities to the Republican fight, what they're going through seems both more open and politically violent, but they also seem like they'd more easily bow down once Trump shows clear enough superiority - unless a Cruz or Rubio or whatever ends up collecting all the support from everyone else and Trump simultaneously drops in polling soon. But Trump seems likely to win both NV and SC so...

Any opposition to Sanders will overall be both less open and less violent, yet possibly even more entrenched than the RNC deal. There's a good, at least 1/4-1/3 of the party that DOES NOT WANT SANDERS AT ANY COST (at least any closed cost; openly its 'lalala we'll take any good candidate!'). Sanders now has the ears and support of 1/4-1/3 of the party himself. So its up to convincing the remaining 1/3-1/2 and Sanders is still on the upwards about that. I fully admit this could change and could change soon, and Clinton would be the winner.

caucuses need to be stopped. it's just mob mentality. we all know it.

R130 Sanders was up during Iowa until past 4am due to watching the super tight process there, then a couple days later (tops) had Town Hall then Debate then New Hampshire. If he looked tired that week he damn well was tired. For example. I'm sure Clinton was lacking sleep too, I just know that there's proof Sanders was up that specifically late. I'm 26 and I am already screwed for at least 1, maybe 2 days if I stay up that late, even if sleeping until maybe noon afterwards.

She's slated to get the popular vote too, according to Nate Silver, R132.

Wow. I've only ever blocked posters on this thread for misogyny, not for being Sanders supporters. Yet I can't see any posts from 127 to 131. That says something.

i don't care about who wins when it comes to the idea of caucuses . i hate them in general. they're bullshit.

[quote] Wow. I've only ever blocked posters on this thread for misogyny, not for being Sanders supporters. Yet I can't see any posts from 127 to 131. That says something.

Yeah, it says something. It says that you define "misogyny" as anything that is even remotely critical of Hillary or the way she has run her campaign. (I don't know why I'm replying since you won't see this reply.)

New York City offered free college tuition to its brightest pupils beginning in 1847, it was gradually expanded until in 1970 they made it free to all high school graduates. The city's finances then crashed owing to recession and the feds made them get rid of it in 1976. But for over 120 non-socialist years, six generations, it was a source of competitive advantage for New York City and upward mobility for immigrants. If you want to know why Jews are so educated and wealthy today as a group, the reason is most got free education at CCNY.

R137, there are none so blind as those who will not see. And I'm looking at you. If you have any legitimate criticisms of Hillary, you can couch them in non-sexist, non-misogynistic terms you know. Well, apparently you DON'T know.

What r139 said.

[quote] If you have any legitimate criticisms of Hillary, you can couch them in non-sexist, non-misogynistic terms you know.

Which is exactly what I've done.

If Bernie wins Nevada he puts off his presidential death knell for a little while longer. If he loses, he's dead.

I'm glad Bernie has lots of young progressives excited, and has older white liberals fired up. But I'm afraid they're just setting themselves up for disappointment.

r130 is just asking for a friend;) (cough, cough,)

You forgot EAT THE RICH!, r76. But not the help. Mexican gives me heartburn.

[quote] [R137], there are none so blind as those who will not see. And I'm looking at you. If you have any legitimate criticisms of Hillary, you can couch them in non-sexist, non-misogynistic terms you know. Well, apparently you DON'T know.

OK, here are all of my posts. perhaps you can tell me which ones are misogynistic and why.

[quote] Citing polls that were done months ago or even weeks ago is irrelevant. There were polls in the fall that had Hillary ahead by 40 points in Iowa. Until we get more recent polls and the candidates start actively campaigning in other states we don't know where the race really stands in those states.

[quote] You're correct. The Culinary Union isn't endorsing. Either [R16] is just making shit up, or in his/her delusional mind, everyone is endorsing Hillary.

[quote] That'll be hard, considering that the Nevada caucus comes a week before the SC primary.

[quote] Nope. The new CNN poll has her ahead by only 1 point in Nevada.

[quote] How do the candidates do it? Hillary and Bernie are both old, and they have to maintain a grueling schedule for months on end with no days off. When they're on the campaign trail, they're eating crappy food and exposed to all sorts of germs, and they have to talk all day long. They appear on the morning news shows and the evening news shows too. They can't be getting more than 4 or 5 hours of sleep at night. What would happen if one of them got very ill and had to miss a whole week or two of campaigning and debates? Do they have access to some special top-secret miracle drugs that keep them going?

I predict Hillary will win Nevada. But it will be close. Nevada is a caucus state so both of them will walk away with a healthy share of Delegates. (Like Iowa.)

Salon strikes now...

r147 = freeper fundie cunt

DLs will be out on the streets perpetrating ageist hate crimes against Millennials.

It's looking like Bernie won't win NV.

link please, r150.

Not me, r149. I will be right there with them tamping down my sorrow with a pipeful of 420 and oodles of Cheez Doodles. And maybe some Ho Ho's.

Yes, R151, link please!

You first, r153.

There's not a lot of reporting about Nevada because it's going to be a blow-out.

Link, R155?

Link to the link, r156?

Aye, yi, yi. Get a room you two!

Chloe Grace Moretz is in Nevada campaigning for Hillary. Her victory is assured now!

By the way, the linked article says Chloe is most famous for the romantic movie "If I Stay" but we all know what she's REALLY most famous for....

Bernie is going to do better than expected in caucus states because his supporters are more willing to take the time - it's one thing to cast a ballot; it takes a lot more effort to caucus. But that same fervor does not mean more votes in other states. Clinton is doing fine - if she starts to slip, Obama will endorse. And then that's game-set-match.

[Quote] Bernie is going to do better than expected in caucus states

Yes because because mob rules.

^^^^^^because of the wonderful things he does!!!!

"Weeeee're ... off the see the lizard ..."

R161 That would come off as incredibly desperate of her, honestly. Presidents 'don't' endorse.

Bernie's brother is also an asshole.

Yep r163. You're right.

He's sooooo wonderful, he put his 1st wife's name down as the mother of his child on the child's birth certificate.

Now let's see, how does this go? Oh that's right. HE DIVORCED HIS FIRST WIFE IN '64. His son was born in '69.

He's great. A pillar of the community that one.

[quote] Not me, [R149]. I will be right there with them tamping down my sorrow with a pipeful of 420 and oodles of Cheez Doodles. And maybe some Ho Ho's.

No, you won't, honey, because polls do not show a Clinton advantage, which is awful because all primary polls so far have overestimated Clinton's performance. She's gonna lose, and lose badly. Make sure not to let get in the way of how you treat Millennials in your life; they're people, too.

Bernie's support base is millennials. They are notorious for not bothering to get themselves to the polls. Hillary will win.

"I love the smell of fear in the morning".. Bernie Sanders

HILLARY is going nowhere but straight to the win!

Las Vegaso pleaso voto foro Bernieo Sanderso.

Honesto

integrito

Progressivo

Marchedo witho Martin Luther Kingo

The latest from Nate Silver: 72% chance of a Clinton win in Nevada today.

Hillary is the only one for gay rights/marriage. All the others, including that asshole Rubio, are for marriage between a man and a woman only.

Is Nevada today (Saturday), for both parties?

Yes it is r175, apparently the republicans plan to vote today AND Tuesday their actual caucus.

Bernie's ancient death-cough spasms tend to come on live television debates with Hillary.

And the social-media world notices, even if some of his supporters do not.

R126, R127, I have stayed in bed this entire week and I still can't shake my hacking cough. It's given me a bad case of laryngitis so it's not just the cold weather that causes the problem. I always get a flu shot but that doesn't prevent all strains of viral infections. So many others who live in warm climates are also fighting the same symptoms.

[quote][R161] That would come off as incredibly desperate of her, honestly. Presidents 'don't' endorse.

You, perhaps, are too young to remember President Bill Clinton endorsing Al Gore in December 1999, over Bill Bradley, during the 2000 Democratic primaries. Or, perhaps, you are just talking out of your ass again.

FYI, sometimes a sitting President will endorse a primary leader once a delegate win is locked up.

R177 that is known as the "campaign death rattle".

R175, Only the Democratic Caucus is today between 10 am and noon. The very Orthodox Jewish owner of the Venetian and Palazzo casinos fought to avoid having the Republican Caucus held on Saturday, even donating the facilities of a private school in Summerlin. Republican hospitality, restaurant, and retail business owners saw the practicality of a caucus on a different day and time. How many wealthy and/or retired solid Republicans want to get up early on a Sat morning just to go to a Caucus? That takes real dedication especially from lawyers and doctors who work more than 40 hours a week.

R181 what about those working 40 hours +++ millennials LOL

HILLARY's gonna WIN NV

[quote]The very Orthodox Jewish owner of the Venetian and Palazzo casinos

Not words one reads often.

OP, question for you: If Hillary wins NV, then is Bernie done?

Last night I was watching MSNBC. Chris Hayes who is such an annoying little pipsqueak was interviewing a Hispanic Congressman who is supporting Hillary. He interrupted him continually, trying to spin anything positive the guy said about Hillary into a negative. Then he interviewed generic Hispanic woman supporting Bernie. He let her ramble on and on, encouraging her every step of the way.

MSNBC is in the bag for Bernie Sanders and you have to wonder why. Millennials may not have the sense to know Bernie could never win a general election, but the higher ups do. Why are they Bernie's campaign managers? Do they want the Dems to be defeated? Maybe it would help their appallingly low ratings to be the voice of the opposition.

"Generic voters" are of no concern to moi.

[quote]was interviewing a Hispanic Congressman

That guy was hot

[Bold] TONS OF FREEPER FUNDIE CUNTS TROLLING AS BERNIEBROS HERE. PLEASE SEE PAST THESE ANTI - HILLARY POSTS, PEOPLE!!! FFC'S WANT YOU TO DO THEIR DIRTY WORK FOR THE REPUBLICKCUNTS!!!!!!!

I plan on caucusing for Hillary today - I am also going to attend her rally at Caesars Palace - Hillary and Bill both be in attendance - Event begins at 1:30PM

CAPS = SHE'S GONNA LOSE AGAIN

[Bold] r191 = FREEPER FUNDIE CUNT BI-POLAR MENTAL CASE WHO TAKE AFTER HIS TJ DONKEY SHOW WHORE MOTHER.

I don't understand why we are having this conversation . . . the exact same one we had 8 years, except against a much weaker opponent this time. Has she learned nothing from her last run?

She's running against a Jewish, socialist, atheistic, geriatric, and yet she still can't seal the deal. Is no one asking why?

I want to drive to Nevada so I can meet Hillary and Bill

R181, Yes Sherman Adelson who owns the Veneitian and Palazzo Casinos is a very observant Orthodox Jew. Mr. Steve Wynn who owns Wynn and Encore Casinos is well-know to be a secular Jew and usually backs a completely different Republican candidate from Adelson. The competition and dislike between the two are legendary in Vegas. Then there is the active Republican stronghold that is the LDS Church and their members who are always urged to actively participate in the electoral process.

Of course there are also the wealthy Republican business leaders and donors who are more practical in their choices as their goal has always been a very strong US economy with steady growth. Siding with Mr. Steve Wynn they would not want to back anyone who might possibly negatively affect the tourist dependent economy by being too far to the Right.

R193... dunno. Maybe it's because she's a woman and we've only had, like, 3 or 4 woman Presidents so far so people obviously prefer men in the job. Those women just aren't qualified.

If anti-female animus is the only thing holding Clinton back, let's hope it gets cleared up in time for the general, R196.

[quote]She's running against a Jewish, socialist, atheistic, geriatric, and yet she still can't seal the deal.

There have been a total of TWO primaries, one of which she won. What "deal" is she supposed to be "sealing" this early in the process?

Don't play coy, R198, even her campaign is surprised at the state of the race. He's nearly caught her in national polls. Will she win? Yes, but the campaign never imagined they would have to spend the time, money, and political capital at this stage in the game to beat back Sanders.

[quote]Don't play coy, [R198], even her campaign is surprised at the state of the race. He's nearly caught her in national polls. Will she win? Yes, but the campaign never imagined they would have to spend the time, money, and political capital at this stage in the game to beat back Sanders.

That is an entirely different sentiment from "WHY CAN'T SHE SEAL THE DEAL?!?" which is an utterly ludicrous thing to say right at the start of the primary season. No one, on either side of the aisle, will be "sealing the deal" for several months.

[quote]She's running against a Jewish, socialist, atheistic, geriatric, and yet she still can't seal the deal.

This is a primary, dear. Not a general. Dems aren't anti-Socialist or Atheist, etc. You're pretty dumb.

[quote] Dems aren't anti-Socialist

They most certainly are. Why do you think the Clintons started the DLC in the first place? And while I won't be so classless as to call you "dumb," you're incredibly smug for someone so woefully uneducated.

[quote]There have been a total of TWO primaries, one of which she won. What "deal" is she supposed to be "sealing" this early in the process?

She's actually won both of the delegate contests in IA and NH, which is the purpose of primaries.

People are getting excited that Free Guevara is doing better than he was when he first announced and was as unknown nationally as Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb, and Lincoln Chafee.

"He's gained 30 points since no one had ever heard of him!" Well, duh. His rise in the polls is not some big surprise or sign of defeat. It's been long expected, and is pretty welcome.

The only " problem "with Hillary Clinton's campaign is Hillary Clinton.

[Bold] That's sweet r204. Now back to your "FREE CANDY" little white van, dear.

[quote] His rise in the polls is not some big surprise or sign of defeat. It's been long expected, and is pretty welcome.

Oh, please. You know damn well that's not true. Clinton's own advisers have been quoted as saying that they underestimated Sanders' strength. During the summer and fall, Nate Silver was insisting that Bernie was no threat at all. Stop pretending that everything is going exactly as Hillary had planned it all along. Her campaign had never expected Iowa to be such a tight race or for her to lose NH by such a huge margin. Will Hillary still win the nomination? Probably. But not as quickly or as smoothly as she had expected. Bernie's rise in the polls has been a surprise to nearly everyone -- maybe even to Bernie himself.

I still think 50% of Sanders' support and 80% of his funding is courtesy of the Koch Bros.

These Bernie fans are cute how they think this old ass elderly man has a chance becoming president.

Since Hillary is going to win Nevada, does that mean Bernie is done?

Well she won. And she'll win in SC.

What does Bernie do now?

I guarantee the media will say "Hillary barely wins!" MARK MY WORDS!

What will Bernie do?

Scream about how it's unfair, and how the oligarchy bought the votes for Hillary.

When she wins a few other states and a pattern forms, get ready for the ungracious and accusatory claims of Bernie and Larry Sanders as they try to smear Hillary in favor of Republicans.

Bernie Sander's campaign will need to re-double efforts in South Carolina in the next week. A Hillary win 2 weeks in a row going into Super Tuesday will leave him in a bad delegate count position come March 2nd.

You'll never know.

Mate Siver was right --

Clinton 52

Sanders 48

They're in meltdown mode tonight at Democratic Underground!!!

R185, "pip squeak" Chris Hayes is 6'0" and buff. FYI.

[Quote]Still waiting for that link!

Keep waiting, R4. Keep waiting.

I'm not sure why you misread my post as mockery r168 but I support Bernie, do not look down on Millenials, and although I am disappointed that he couldn't pull off an upset I will continue to support him and his campaign. I meant what I said. I plan on self-medicating with weed, snaks and Magic Mike XXL;)

MSNBC is furious Hillary won. That old crone Mrs. Alan Greenspan was bitching about it and Rachel Maddow was suggesting Repugs had registered to vote for Hillary as Dems. Sure, Rachel. The GOP is dying to run against Hillary and not against former Stalinist and atheist, Jewish, 75 year old Bernie. Sure.

Is Maddow an idiot or what? Stupid cow. She just reinforces my belief that women hate other powerful women. Rachel may be a lesbian, but when it comes to this she's just your typical jealous woman.

R219, the parts of Nevada Bernie carried are Republican parts of the state. Northern Nevada is heavily Republican, southern Nevada is where most Democrats live. Hillary won the south.

So it appears that Republicans may have registered as Democrats to vote for Bernie.

R220 tell Maddow. She's an idiot. Mrs. Alan Greenspan was claiming that the union leaders forced their poor little underlings to vote for Hillary.

[Quote] So it appears that Republicans may have registered as Democrats to vote for Bernie.

[Bold] EXACTLY!!!!!!! THE REPUBLICKCUNT TRICK!!!!!

The last I heard, the union leadership was endorsing Hillary, but many of the young blue collar union workers were voting for Bernie.

There are some years where the union leadership will have a lot of influence, this year not as much. A lot of union workers in Las Vegas are Mexican American or Mexican.

Picture it. Nevada, 2008.

Dark blue is Obama. Light blue is Clinton.

Look familiar?

2008 general election Nevada:

HA HA HA socialist Sander lovers!!!

[quote] Is Maddow an idiot or what? Stupid cow. She just reinforces my belief that women hate other powerful women.

Nothing sexist about that! I guess it's OK to call a woman a "cow," as long as it's Rachel Maddow. It's not like Rachel has ever done anything good. Let's throw Rachel under the bus.

Rachel is throwing herself under the bus with her recent reporting about the Clintons.

Talk to the hand with assigning blame to others.

[Bold] Maddow is a fucking asshole who HATES other powerful women. TRUTH!!!

My mom, a die-hard Faux News fan has been telling me daily she's voting for Bernie, joking of course but acting like she's serious. I think that repubs think he is the perfect candidate for them to beat in November. And somehow Faux has sublimally put this talking point into their viewers heads.

r230, wow you think Dems are stupid

Hillary is an upstanding, principled leader who has survived the most intrusive, invasive, aggressive and unending vetting process in political history. Time and again, she has emerged with her integrity intact.

To the BernBros: If you're mad now, are your heads gonna explode next Saturday when HRC wins by double digits?

Face it: He will bow out by this time next month when her DELEGATE COUNT is insurmountable. The superdelegates are not moving one inch towards Sanders.

Obviously not since thee is now an official with Obama, Warren and Castro standing Obama and warren are endorsing her.

There is a reason Warren hasn't endorsed anyone. Can you think what it might be?

She and Bernie are alike with the income inequality and fighting wall street and she doesn't want to upset his supporters but she knows that because of the issues of foreign policy she is behind Clinton. So she is going to wait for him to suspend campaign and then she will work with the democrats to get them to move towards Clinton.

I don't know. What do you think it is. I'm sorry everyone but I haven't slept in about 50 hours my typing is atrocious and can I am barely functioning. I am a life long insomniac and then the second night I got all into this election and forgot to go to bed. Now i am just trying to stay awake long enough so I don't get my sleeping schedule off. I usually use weed for it but lately have been using copious amounts and am taking a tolerance break.

So winning 7 out of 7 in a tie breaker is normal right? RIGHT?

winning 7 out of 7 what?

WILBURRRRR! GET THE AXE!!!!!

I am not sleeping I can only post after I leave the page and come back. I'm not a paid member.

It's amusing that the Hill Shills are crowing about these pathetically small "landslide" margins of their candidate. All it demonstrates to any savy politico is how bloody weak a candidate Hillary is. She has spent the last seven years polling, researching,triangulating,fund - raising millions of dollars, lining up establishment endorsements and 5.3 points is the best she can do? This is Hill's best shot? Good luck she'll need it.

(rolling eyes at R242)

Spin, little Berniebro, Spin!

for r242 who brought up a term previously unused anywhere, please enjoy!

Trump will never beat her. After they start campaigning he will mess up and the everyone will turn. All Dean had to do was yell and make a funny face. Their are a lot of middle of the road voters that wouldn't vote for a far left or far right candidate. There are 7 swing states that will vote either way and mostly a little right of center. Trump will never win.

who ever get the individual swing state that candidate will take those states delegates. So if Hills will say 4 states she will win those delegates. He would win the rest.

Holy shit did I really just type that mess. Thank you for your patience but I need to stop typing. Have a good night everyone.

Nighty night, R247! Go to bed!

R245 Trump has been "messing up" for the last months it doesn't appear to have hurt him . It actually appears to have garnered him more votes. Trump knows his base and wins it easily. Hill's "base" is senior citizens with net worth over 200K. Which means in Nov Trump will be POTUS and Mrs Clinton will be mayor of Boca Raton.

Trump is actually pretty much unstoppable.

Yup. The people on board with Trump are all idiots who will follow him no matter what he does and will jump on every little thing Hillary does.

If Trump has kept this following this long, with all the stupid shit he's said and done, it's obvious that he can't fuck up big enough to be stopped.

The wings of Icarus will melt.

Trumps followers don't care about facts. I saw part of his speech. The crowd was cheering various statements he made. He said, "and who's going to pay for the wall?" They screamed as one, "Mexico!"

Don't got wings.. got a world class 737 turbo jet with wet bar an jaccuzzi, Got my name on the side. Ya LOSER

Trump just won Republican veterans after (correctly) calling the Iraq war a total waste that GWB lied about to enter. He head on challenged Republican orthodoxy, not to mention the Pope, Fox News, and Apple. He attacks sacred cows and gets away with it. I think he will do very well in the rust belt as well as the south.

Trump = emotional, messy and a bully, Clinton = robotic, plodding, an old biddy, who do YOU think is right for the madness of 2016???????????

No straight white male over thirty will touch Hillary with a ten foot poll. Trust me.

[quote]Trump just won Republican veterans after (correctly) calling the Iraq war a total waste that GWB lied about to enter.

Except he didn't win them. 64% of S.C. Republican veterans voted for not-Trump.

R242 a win is a win...1st place is 1 place not second or third fucker...it just doesn't matter you HILLARY Hater just watch her win the nomination and election!

R249 so not true...and btw, who are you voting for? As for tonight, SHE WON!

In a FPTP system, "won" means got the most votes. Don't be pedantic, R258.

Oh, he won the primary, no doubt, r261. But, you were making a point about veterans that is not supported by the data, so I just wanted to point that out.

She's pretty much unstoppable now but Sanders will run it out as far as he can because, well, ego.

Another interesting phenomenon may be bubbling up. Sanders' supports are getting very nasty and engaging in their own form of the shenanigans they deplore. Some of my older friends on Facebook have pulled back. They are having trouble swallowing some of Senator Sanders' proposals. They are disturbed by the mob rule fanaticism. They are realizing that "Democratic socialism" is really "Socialism". And they all want to reduce income inequality. But if you probe a bit, you'll find that they are not for wealth or income redistribution. It's finally dawning on them that, yeah, basically, that's what this is all about. Everyone says they want change but...well, you get the drift.

[quote] Another interesting phenomenon may be bubbling up. Sanders' supports are getting very nasty and engaging in their own form of the shenanigans they deplore. Some of my older friends on Facebook have pulled back.

.I'm always amazed at DataLoungers who spend all their time in their parents' basements posting on DataLounge but think they can identify "political phenomena" and take the pulse of the electorate based on reading a few of their friends' posts on Facebook.

Here's the thing: Bernie's whole candidacy is predicated on the notion that he's exciting new voters and his ideas are driving turnout. That's been the media narrative... all the pictures of massive rallies and how so many people are turning to Bernie. His entire claim to "electability" rests on this... because GOP voters ALWAYS turn out, he's saying he'll re-invigorate Democrats and get TONS of young people to the polls, and that's how he'll beat Hillary in the primaries and the GOP in the general.

There's just one problem.

Turnout is down compared to 2008. Democratic turnout is DOWN, not up. There is no sign of these new waves of voters, or massive amounts of people that are supposed to be turning out for him. And he's lost 2 of 3 contests so far, and isn't really forecast to win any others at this point.

Where's the "revolution"? Where's the massive wave of voters whose turnout will not only sweep him into power but sweep the Republicans FROM power in Congress? It's nowhere to be seen so far...

And Bernie supporters online are just getting nastier and nastier... some overtly racist, many overtly misogynist, all attacking and shouting down and bullying anyone who doesn't share their zeal for Bernie. It's kind of disgusting.

But it really does seem like the media whipped up a narrative that has no real basis in fact... there is no real "revolution" going on. Just the same old bunch of angry people completely unwilling to put their time and effort where their mouth is.

Someone said Sanders will win Minnesota and Vermont. How many states will vote before either one of those states again?

Like Rubio, he looks good on paper. But when people go to the polls, they want someone who will stick it to the other party plain and simple. And what either one of them is selling won't work.

here we go...

"I'm always amazed at DataLoungers who spend all their time in their parents' basements posting on DataLounge but think they can identify "political phenomena" and take the pulse of the electorate based on reading a few of their friends' posts on Facebook."

Of course it couldn't possible be a phenomenon.

[quote]Like Rubio, he looks good on paper.

No, he looks terrible both in the flesh and on paper. Any traction he has is ALL hype. There is no revolution--just a few loud mouthed SJW's screeching on social media. The economic outlook is bright. Young people, the ones who are ambitious and hardworking, are finding jobs out of college (pent up demand). And most of the SJW slacker grads who are still unemployed are willfully so (not unlike their hero Bernie, who didn't even have a real job until he was 40). Last nail in the coffin....history shows young people are far too lazy and ambivalent to actually vote.

[quote] R250: Trump is actually pretty much unstoppable.

Again with the reference to his incontenance! Enough! I think Trump has proved that he is perfectly capable of making an hour-long speach or debate performance without shitting himself onstage. It remains to be seen how much stamina he has and if he can go all day. But for now, he is perfectly stopped-up.

Bernie's challenge has been good for Hillary. She can't be seen as having a coronation. She's also been able to stay in the center, which is where she'll need to be when the primary is over, and it's her or Trump in the general.

Trump has a loyal following of truly stupid people. Maybe 20% of the population. He'll get another 10% that hate Hillary. That leaves a landslide voting for Hillary in the general.

Trump has that Olestra problem, though, which is why he always wears a jacket, to cover the Depends bulge.

Well, R272, maybe it's time to elect someone whose pooper is defunct. Our politicians should be more representative of the populous in general. This could be a good thing for incontinent people everywhere.

At my caucus location yesterday in Las Vegas a representative from National Nurses United was working the very long lines informing everyone that even if they were registered Republican they could still register as Democrat and vote for Bernie. I was truly disgusted.

During the actual caucus I was shouted down by two representatives from National Nurses United and approx 15 Bernie supporters when I questioned why the only precinct captains present represented Bernie. I was concerned that the votes would only be counted by Bernie's reps. I was screamed at and told, "You're asking stupid questions, shut up" and "You're full of shit, sit down!". I was gobsmacked by their rude behavior. All of the things I'd been reading about Bernie supporters on DL were present at the caucus yesterday.

To add insult to injury, after the votes were counted and delegates were awarded, Bernie reps attempted to take one of the Hillary's delegates from my precinct and add it on to their total. I once again spoke up and stated that if they tried to change the final tally I would be contacting the media and an attorney. Again they shouted and screamed and me and stated, "You might not want to walk to your car alone after this!".

What I witnessed yesterday left me appalled. Granted I support Hillary but if the caucus had gone Bernie's way I would have accepted it. The fact that Bernie's supporters were trying to game the system and circumvent the process left me completely turned off. After what I saw yesterday I cannot in good conscious support Bernie if he becomes the nominee. The actions I saw taken on Bernie's behalf yesterday were truly despicable and fly in the face of democracy and the principles and values he and his supporters claim to represent.

Jesus, r274, what a nightmare. Isn't there some kind of referee at these?

[Quote] Bernie's reps. I was screamed at and told, "You're asking stupid questions, shut up" and "You're full of shit, sit down!".

They've been doing that here for a year now.

r275 There was a representative from the Nevada Democratic Party but she was a very frail overweight old lady that had trouble speaking. She had to use a walker to get around and was using an oxygen tank. At one point during the process Bernie supporters crowded around her and attempted to change the delegate count as I stated above. I intervened and told them they all needed to take a step back. The poor woman was almost in tears and obviously overwhelmed. After the caucus was over she thanked me for my help and said she appreciated that I was looking out for her. The fact that Bernie supporters attempted to strong-arm a frail elderly woman was beyond me. I just don't get this "win at any cost" mentality. If you are willing to step over anyone and everyone to secure a victory is it really worth it? I'm baffled by Bernie's supporters.

r274 / r277 = NEVER HAPPENED.

I think a lot of them are either Republicans or first time voters that lean Conservative/Independent but support Bernie.

It's pretty obvious they're Republican, but Bernie is their one exception. And Bernie seems to know it, he's using Republican talking points to attack Hillary. It's very jarring if you're used to Democratic in-party lines of attack.

I feel sorry for that elderly lady. Isn't there some Nevada election commission you can complain to?

r278 It most certainly did happen - Believe what you want I was there. Bernie and his followers are a disgusting bunch. I wouldn't have believed what happened had I not experienced it for myself. I live in Precinct 6735.

r278 You could also ask ther Bernie supporters for their videos - 3 Bernie supporters in my precinct recorded the entire process - More likely than not they will not be releasing these videos because they don't cast a negative light on Hillary

r279 I'm not sure if complaining is even worth it at this point. The elderly woman overseeing my precinct suggested I volunteer next time. I truly felt sorry for her, imagine if 15+ people surrounded you and were attempting to alter delegate counts after everything has been decided. I was shocked. I stepped in because if it had been my mother or grandmother in that position I would want someone to do the same.

My precinct elected me as one of the delegates to the Clark County Democratic Convention. Hopefully that process is slightly more civil but I won't rule anything out with the Bernie supporters also participating.

Good for you, r274. That poor lady.

Now we know not to let Independents run on the Democratic ticket ever again. Their values lean too strong-arm Republican.

People mistakenly believed an Independent would lean Democratic in values because he voted with a Democratic bloc. Instead, he's trying to tear the party's credibility apart from the inside. It's like being attacked from within by a parastite.

[quote] Now we know not to let Independents run on the Democratic ticket ever again. Their values lean too strong-arm Republican.

So now Bernie is too Republican? I thought he was too left-wing socialist? Now he's also too Republican? I can't keep up with it all. All I know is that based on DL posts, Bernie is truly the most vile, horrible man to ever walk the earth. Right up there with Hitler. Same for all of his supporters.

r285 = The dumbest of dumb.

No, I won't spell it out for you. I'm sure your Mommy and Daddy will clue you in. DUH!

[quote] I'm sure your Mommy and Daddy will clue you in. DUH!

Well, I guess I can't be a genius like you. After all, I'm a Bernie supporter, so I must be a 20-year-old Republican idiot.

r287 = fucktard

r274=What a story! Everything but the hounds snappin at her rear end. Talk some more r274. We don't get too many good talkers here.

R274 that is some story and it is really true...get an attorney and share it with the local-network news...this is newsworthy!!! Fuck Bernnie BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!

R274 You should also share your story with the Sanders Campaign, I can not imagine that is the behavior they want.

After the way the BernBros treated the legendary Delores Huerta -English only my ass Trump wannabes- this behavior doesn't surprise me. These so called Democrats are animals. Symone and Tad can't dance on a pinhead fast enough.

BTW notice Bernie has already written South Carolina off. Keep this in mind March 1st.

[quote] It's amusing that the Hill Shills are crowing about these pathetically small "landslide" margins of their candidate. All it demonstrates to any savy politico is how bloody weak a candidate Hillary is. She has spent the last seven years polling, researching,triangulating,fund - - raising millions of dollars, lining up establishment endorsements and 5.3 points is the best she can do? This is Hill's best shot? Good luck she'll need it.

Haha. Don't you look stupid a week later.

NYTimes is throwing massive power against Hillary, she's toast. Over.

HILLARY won NV and this Tuesday will really show Bernie who's the boss lady....then...Feel the BURN Bern! NY Times Eh who cares about that powerless threat!

The Hillary hate is about as rational and well founded as the Obama Hate.

As in, "not at all".

Hillary will clean up on Super-Tuesday. But Bernie will soldier on, convinced that he's best chances for winning are in later contests. The only question is how much longer past Super-Tuesday he'll last. Will he go to the end, like Hillary did in 2008? Or will he concede prior to that?

I hope he shows more class in his speech at the Convention than he did in his speech after losing South Carolina.

He will lose, but I suspect he will try to continue as you suggest, but the real question is, how quickly the money an effort will dry up once the Millennials realize they are not going to get their way. They are selfish and fickle, just watch, they will drop him like yesterdays abercrombie and fitch t-shirt. He wont have the money to go all the way.

[quote] how quickly the money an effort will dry up once the Millennials realize they are not going to get their way.

Are you crazy? That's not going to happen. Ever. Bernie has masterfully got Milennials where he wants them. He'll just convince them that it's never over and he can still wrangle the nom AND the Presidency.. all they have to do is just send in a few more dollars!

Why is the NYT hitting Clinton so hard when they endorsed her? They know something we don't. They just can't prove it. Yet. Somewhere out there is a recording of one of those Goldman Sachs talks and it's only a matter of time before it is made public. An October surprise in March? I think Bernie is going to go as long as he can without looking like a sore loser. The longer he stays in the race the longer he keeps her honest. She's made a lot of promises and compromises to left leaning progressives and she's going to be held to her word.

Link please. I didn't see anything bad about Hillary today. Just an article about how she's getting all the endorsements and Bernie isn't.

Also, another about polls being inaccurate, but I don't have a subscription so what's that about?

Tomorrow is super Tuesday ... and Hillary is poised to leave Bernie in the dust.

R301, Are you referring to this article from the NYT about the Mid East mess?

The article I saw particularly had the word "endorsements" in the title. It was about political endorsements, specifically which candidate Senators were endorsing. Hillary.

I don't know what article the earlier poster, R300 is referring to.

R294 explain...how?

R305 there's no explanation. That person was posting the same shit over and over in every thread but wouldn't/couldn't link to anything. Just someone pathetically trying to start something.

r303 posted to the articles r294 was referring to. I read them as well. Why are you trying so hard to discredit posters who don't believe she walks on water, r306? She's set to clean Bernie's clock according to most polls. Yet her followers are hell bent on alienating his supporters. When Trump wins due to low voter turn-out you jerks will blame Bernie.

The only people hell-bent on alienating supporters are the BernieBots. Holy crap.

And yeah, if trump wins due to low voter turnout, I WILL blame Bernie Voters... because THEY are the ones saying they won't vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. There reverse simply isn't true... there aren't any Hillary supporters saying they'll refuse to vote for Bernie. There's no #HillaryOrBust hashtag on twitter. Just a #BernieOrBust.

It's amazing how completely backwards and wrong and oblivious so many Bernie supporters are to their own behavior and their own side's behavior.

Hillary supporters want to beat Republicans.

Bernie supporters only want to beat Hillary, and as long as they do that, they don't give a rats ass if Republicans actually take over everything. In fact, their attitude is "IT'LL SERVE YOU RIGHT FOR NOT BELIEVING EXACTLY AS I DO". Such childish, petulant, selfish, self-destructive people.

We need adults in the room, and BernieBots are not it.

But wait. I thought r294 was just talking shit. Did any of you even bother to read the NYT articles in r303's link? Or is it just deflect, misdirect and when all else fails blame that vast right-wing conspiracy. And now you have a new villain to blame. The Democratic Socialist! and his Millenial Minions who won't get with the program. She took that victory lap waaay too soon, Sid Blumenthal. And now she's going to be president and she's going to have to deal head-on with the mess she helped to create. Or do you think Trump is just going to focus on Bill's doggery and her looks? Be careful what you wish for bitches.

These old threads have gems like R71. Unfortunately they were always maligned and called names and demeaned.

This is hilarious in hindsight.

Hillary won Nevada and Bernie withheld support and MI, WI, OH and PA voted for Trump by the thinnest of threads.

Bernie got his revenge.

He needs to go away.

25% of Bernie's supporters didn't vote for her in the general. I look forward to joining them in spirit should Bernie get the nomination.