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Country Music Gossip

This is based on another thread. There must be some Nashville insiders out there. Tell us who's gay, who is sleeping with whom, who is a bigot, who's marriage is fake, who is hated and loved, and which new country singer could come out of the closet. We all know about Randy Travis and Kenny Chesney. I want to know if Dolly's husband is gay? Who is hiding their deep Republican beliefs so that they can have fame? Who is a secret drunk or an addict? Is it true that Tammy's husband killed her? Are Luke Bryan and Jason Aldean as stupid as they appear? Who slept their way to the charts. I mean Florida Georgia Line must have slept with somebody. Spill!

by Anonymousreply 600April 26, 2016 6:02 PM

Umm, they would not have to hide their Republican beliefs.

by Anonymousreply 1February 4, 2016 9:47 PM

There was a singer in the 90s with huge hair, wore the tightest jeans that showed off an amazing, protruding bubble ass. I don't remember his name but he majorly pinged.

by Anonymousreply 2February 4, 2016 11:48 PM

R2, I wonder if you're referring to Ty Herndon, who was eventually outed. I don't know if I count as a Nashville insider, but I am a former songwriter, have a lot of friends in the industry, and know or have met pretty much everyone. To answer your questions. Dolly. I spent the day with her and her "assistant" who was clearly her lover. Dolly is a hoot. Very racy, very bawdy, and a total delight. SHe's also not as top-heavy as you'd think. Her outfits are made in such a way as to accentuate her boobs. Her husband? I have no clue. I don't even know if he lives in Nashville, but he is never a presence on the scene here, ever. And although people don't want to believe it, I promise you that Kenny Chesney is straight. He flirts with men and women something fierce, but it's more to get what he wants. I've spent time with him, and can tell if it's an act or not, but he is straight straight straight. He also used to date a girl who worked for a friend of mine. That's not to say that he's not one of those narcissistic straight men who would let a guy blow him, but i kinda doubt it. Randy Travis. The guys from Florida Georgia Line are douchebags, although I think the one with the short hair is hot. They didn't sleep with anyone. They were signed as writes to one of the biggest publishing houses in Nashville, which is owned by probably the most successful country writer in his day, Craig Wiseman, who is crazy talented, and, also an asshole alpha male. He's successful and powerful enough that he managed to get FGA a record deal. NO ONE expected them to blow up the way they did, and I think --at least i hope -- their days are dwindling. As for Luke Bryan, I've know him for years, and used to write with him. He is not at all how he is portrayed. he is very sweet, smart, and kind. He has that stupid party boy personna more because it was a niche he and his manager saw needed filling than because it really fits him, because it doesn't. I've never met Jason Aldean, but I have friends who know him, and he is redneck white trash to the core. His producer -- Michael Knox -- is hot as a motherfucker. Handsome, and a great muscled body. As far as who is gay singing? Well, Brandy Clark. I've written with her, and she's a sweetheart. And, believe it or not, I can't think of any other gay singer who is relevant right now. I WISH Sam Hunt were, but I haven't heard anything one way or the other. I'm a little surprised, but there is no dish on any other current singer.

by Anonymousreply 3February 5, 2016 1:44 AM

R3, what have you heard about Marty Stuart?

by Anonymousreply 4February 5, 2016 1:46 AM

R2 here. I always thought Marty Stuart pinged, until I met him. He looks effeminate in photos, what with the hair and clothes, but not so much in person. He comes across more as just a redneck who thinks the flamboyant clothes and pouffy hair are "elegant". He's been married to a singer who is much older than he is for ages. Damn, I forget his name. Connie something or other. It seems like a real marriage.

by Anonymousreply 5February 5, 2016 2:43 AM

R5, so how would you describe his butt?

by Anonymousreply 6February 5, 2016 2:49 AM

Marty Stuarts? Ewww. He's hideous. Why would I look at his butt?

by Anonymousreply 7February 5, 2016 3:23 AM

Chesney is straight, and a douche-bro asshole that needs a good ass-kicking. My partner came close to delivering said ass-kicking a few years ago. People (well, women) on St John loathe him.

Sam Hunt is too pretty to be straight, but no rumors.

by Anonymousreply 8February 5, 2016 3:31 AM

Please tell me Dierks lets his gay fans service him!

by Anonymousreply 9February 5, 2016 3:42 AM

HA! Dierks is very nice, VERY down to earth, and much more handsome in person than in photos.

by Anonymousreply 10February 5, 2016 3:43 AM

Then he must be one good lookin' man cause he's handsome in his pix and videos.

by Anonymousreply 11February 5, 2016 3:54 AM

R3 thank you. I have wondered about Chris Young and Hunter Hayes. I think Chris Young is very talented. But there is something there. I love Dierks. Not because he is handsome- although that helps- but because his talent is so overwhelming. What about Luke's boy Cole Swindell? And aren't Luke and Jason Aldean business partners. Who do you think is a great song writer. Brandy Clark is very much at the top of my list. Why did Tim McGraw start singing trash music? What happened to Faith Hill's career? And why did Jake Owen's marriage break up?

And Marty Stuart is married to Connie Smith- one of the most talented people I have ever heard in any genre of music.

by Anonymousreply 12February 5, 2016 5:56 PM

[quote] And Marty Stuart is married to Connie Smith

But is his ass womanly?

by Anonymousreply 13February 5, 2016 6:22 PM

I don't know anything about Chris Young. I thought Hunter Hayes pinged, but he's straight. A friend of mine dated him for a little bit. Apparently, he has a pretty short temper. I didn't ask if he had a short penis, too, but my guess is he does; the dude is tiny! Dierks really is handsome, but he has pointy features in person, but he's still better-looking in person. He has that regular guy thing going for him. I don't love Brandy's writing -- although we did write a few good songs together -- but she is a great person, and I wish her a lot of success. Her new cd just came out or is about to come out. I'll listen to it , for sure. Why did McGraw start singing crap? He always did! There was a brief moment when his songs had some meat on them, but he always had stupid ditties on his albums. Now, though, that's what radio plays, so they're the songs more likely to be the singles. His albums still have some good songs, but they aren't likely to be the singles, not with radio the way it is right now. Faith? She has recorded TONS of songs. She could probably release three cd's at this point. They've sent song after song out to radio, and nothing has worked. None of the songs have been getting any traction, so the label hasn't released any albums. Plus, this is just not a good time for women in country music: they're rarely played, and, outside or Miranda -- who is really lovely, btw -- no female gets a lot of play. I don't know Faith -- I've met her, though, and she's nice - but my guess is that if the cd isnt going to be huge, she would rather not release it. Better to be MIA than to deliver a bomb. She doesn't really need new music to tour; she and Tim will always manage to fill stadiums, at least for a while. I don't know anything about Cole. I think he and Luke went to school together, and he's been in his band. I think he's a musical lightweight. He might have brief success, but it won't last. And I don't know why Jake Owen's marriage broke up. Marriages do, especially with the demands put on the singers, and how often they're away from home.

by Anonymousreply 14February 5, 2016 7:11 PM

Paragraphs, R14.

by Anonymousreply 15February 5, 2016 7:37 PM

Terri Clark?

by Anonymousreply 16February 5, 2016 7:57 PM

So what happened with Kenny Chesney and Renee Zellweger, then? I assumed they divorced because she didn't realized he was gay.

by Anonymousreply 17February 5, 2016 8:43 PM

R14 is that why Patty Loveless stopped putting cds as well- no airplay? If they can play Thomas Rhett- who is horrible - why not a good singer like Patty?

by Anonymousreply 18February 5, 2016 9:34 PM

Matraca Berg?

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by Anonymousreply 19February 5, 2016 9:52 PM

R19 you inspired this post

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by Anonymousreply 20February 6, 2016 12:31 AM

Quote from Spin magazine regarding Marty Stuart's ass:

[quote] "Equipped with a crocodile smile, a shock of spiky black hair and a butt high enough to hold a tray of drinks"

by Anonymousreply 21February 6, 2016 1:37 AM

Hunter Hayes is such a cute little pocket gay

by Anonymousreply 22February 6, 2016 1:56 AM

Blake Shelton is the Spencer Pratt of country music.

by Anonymousreply 23February 6, 2016 2:12 AM

This may be old news, but Minnie Pearl was rumored to be involved in the S&M community. The sweet, matronly image was mostly an inside joke.

She could be very dominant, and an absolute terror in the bedroom.

by Anonymousreply 24February 6, 2016 2:22 AM

Amy Grant named one of her daughters after Minnie Pearl (her real name --Sarah Cannon). Did she know that side of her?!

by Anonymousreply 25February 6, 2016 3:26 AM

Lee Ann Womack?

by Anonymousreply 26February 6, 2016 2:52 PM

Bump.

by Anonymousreply 27February 6, 2016 4:05 PM

KT Oslin always screamed "dyke" to me.

by Anonymousreply 28February 6, 2016 4:20 PM

R3 - I feel like this is What's My Line. Is your name Shane?

If so, was Stay a Little Longer written for the movie Shelter or just based on the scene where tshirts are pulled off?

by Anonymousreply 29February 6, 2016 4:27 PM

Deanna Carter?

by Anonymousreply 30February 6, 2016 5:02 PM

To R8, Kenny Chesney does like the mens;he can pretend to be str8 all he wants. I had him(and he had me)several times in St Johns when I was on vacation a few yrs back.SOOOOOOOO worried about his image, I explained to Miss Chesney,no one believes you are str8 after Renee sued you for fraud in your divorce 25 days later. He likes his alcohol,pretty good fuck!

by Anonymousreply 31February 6, 2016 5:17 PM

Your full of shit R31 . A friend of mine stayed in the same hotel with him , and he said there was literally a line of women outside his door . He also said he later saw him in the hotel bar , had a few drinks with him and tried his damndest to get Kenny to go up to his room with him . My friend is very good looking and can get anybody he wants , but he said he didn't get the feeling that Kenny was anything other than straight . My friend said he stared at women , never a man . . He said Kenny was very flirty but all talk , no action .

by Anonymousreply 32February 6, 2016 5:30 PM

To R32, Your friend is a ugly Fagola and got mad when he got turned down. Miss Chesney's whole entourage in St.Johns is Fag Central.

by Anonymousreply 33February 6, 2016 5:36 PM

Hank Williams, Jr.?

by Anonymousreply 34February 6, 2016 6:44 PM

As I said, Kenny does flirt with men, but it's not sexual. He just uses it to get what he wants. He is straight.

To answer some other questions...No, I'm not Shane. I'm not active anymore. I stopped writing few years ago. Lee Ann Womack? She actually recorded one of my songs. She's got a lovely voice, and was nice enough when I met her. As for why Matraca or Terri Clark or Patty Loveless stopped recorded...careers are short. Very few artists have long careers these days. They had a decent run, but their time was up, and the labels were looking for the next thing, trying to stay ahead of the curve. I don't follow their careers, but most of them probably still put out independent releases, but they just don't get press or radio play once the labels stop supporting them. Matraca is still a writer, though, and continues to have some success. She had a Kenny Chesney hit a year or two ago.

I don't care for the current state of country music. I prefer the 90's folk-influenced music, such as Nanci Griffith, Suzzy Boggus, Kathy Mattea. They all had a good run, though.

by Anonymousreply 35February 6, 2016 7:15 PM

But the critical question you haven't answered is whether Marty Stuart's butt was/is womanly? What do people say about his butt?

by Anonymousreply 36February 6, 2016 7:18 PM

Emmylou Harris?

by Anonymousreply 37February 6, 2016 7:19 PM

Do you know Allison Krauss, R35?

by Anonymousreply 38February 6, 2016 7:28 PM

John Cowan from New Grass Revival - straight but teeny weenie.

Vince Gill and Amy Grant were screwing around while both were still married.

Mary Chapin Carpenter - unpleasant. Has mental issues and not an easy person to deal with.

Brad Paisley - genuinely nice guy.

Tanya Tucker - major fucking mess. Likes men and women.

by Anonymousreply 39February 6, 2016 7:43 PM

[quote] Brad Paisley - genuinely nice guy.

He seems like a nice guy but his skin color looks like he's made out of plastic.

by Anonymousreply 40February 6, 2016 8:02 PM

SheDaisy?

by Anonymousreply 41February 6, 2016 8:22 PM

Lorrie Morgan?

by Anonymousreply 42February 6, 2016 10:04 PM

R39 - just curious about NGR.

"John Cowan from New Grass Revival - straight but teeny weenie."

I heard it took a lot of money for Garth Brooks to get them to reunite back in the early 90s. John Cowan is one of the most under appreciated singers alive today. Sam Bush is also really good. John's weight changed dramatically. He went from massively huge in the mid-70s to really thin when John, Pat, Sam and Bela were recording in the mid to late 80s. Later pictures go from heavy to average.

Just curious how you know his is teeny weenie. I have to admit it was mostly John's clothing that made him seem gay. Although I'm not sure a gay guy would wear that awful olive suit.

by Anonymousreply 43February 6, 2016 10:12 PM

John in the sleeveless shirt

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by Anonymousreply 44February 6, 2016 10:19 PM

A picture from the 70s showing a heavier John Cowan with glasses.

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by Anonymousreply 45February 6, 2016 10:22 PM

Beth Nielsen Chapman

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by Anonymousreply 46February 6, 2016 10:29 PM

John in the famous olive suit

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by Anonymousreply 47February 6, 2016 10:38 PM

R43 A trustworthy friend that got around town had a little fling with him. He was drinking a lot at the time. She said he was nice, though.

by Anonymousreply 48February 6, 2016 11:06 PM

R48 - the other guys in NGR were really nice. I never met John, but I met Bela in the early 80s before NGR. I met Sam around that time too. Pat Flynn is one of the nicest guys you could meet. I spent lots of time picking his brain when he taught at the National Guitar Summer Workshop. At that point, he was doing loads of session work.

As a horny high schooler in the late 70s/early 80s, I had the biggest crush on Bela Fleck. When I finally met him, I couldn't say anything other than hi. He probably thought I was an idiot. I said hi and quickly ran away.

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by Anonymousreply 49February 6, 2016 11:42 PM

R35 are you Skip Ewing?

by Anonymousreply 50February 6, 2016 11:57 PM

No, I'm not Skip. He's an ass, by the way. When he would co-write, he would count how many words were his, and how many were his co-writer's. He was not a well-liked man. He might have become more humble when his career slowed down, but I always think that success and money are what let your true colors show.

by Anonymousreply 51February 7, 2016 5:36 AM

Country music is filled with sin.

by Anonymousreply 52February 7, 2016 5:39 AM

If country music was filled with enough sin, it would sound better.

by Anonymousreply 53February 7, 2016 6:21 AM

[quote]Vince Gill and Amy Grant were screwing around while both were still married.

If by "screwing around" you mean "emotional affair," then yes, you're right, because Vince and Amy declared on national tv that he didn't put his pee-pee in her coot-coot until they were both divorced.

by Anonymousreply 54February 7, 2016 7:02 AM

"Pee-pee, "coot-coot"?! What are you, in kindergarten?!

by Anonymousreply 55February 7, 2016 7:06 AM

R55, what's your point? Have you no sense of humor? Don't hate--participate!

by Anonymousreply 56February 7, 2016 7:37 AM

You're boocoo uptight up the yingyang there, R55

by Anonymousreply 57February 7, 2016 12:43 PM

Mel Tillis?

by Anonymousreply 58February 7, 2016 3:40 PM

R54 riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttt

And Narvel Blackstock wasn't a cokehead.

by Anonymousreply 59February 7, 2016 3:47 PM

Faith Hill?

by Anonymousreply 60February 7, 2016 4:11 PM

R51-two more questions: I love Wade Hayes - I know about his cancer- but is he straight. 2. Rascal Flatts if they aren't gay I'll eat my hat- especially the lead singer. I also think that Dan+Shay are lovers and that Swon brothers are gay. Thank you

by Anonymousreply 61February 7, 2016 6:20 PM

Wade Hayes?!?!? Man, I haven't thought about him in ages. He hasn't been active in quite a while, and I don't know a thing about him. Rascal Flatts. Hmm. I really don't know. I've met the lead singer, and he doesn't so much ping as give off the vibe of a white trash hillbilly who thinks the pouffy hair and all is "elegant," in the same way as Marty Stuart. I haven't heard anything one way or another. I've written with one of the other members, and he is very nice and humble and down to earth. I would say Gary - the lead singers -- is straight. But I could be wrong. I haven't been around Dan and Shay or the Swon brothers, and haven't heard anything about them.

by Anonymousreply 62February 7, 2016 7:06 PM

What have you heard about Marty Stuart's ass? Have you seen it in person? Details please.

by Anonymousreply 63February 7, 2016 7:18 PM

I've read here numerous times before that George Strait loves him some twinks.

by Anonymousreply 64February 7, 2016 7:20 PM

Posted in another thread on this subject, but Randy Travis used to date Stephanie Shippae, a popular drag/tranny entertainer in Tampa who, incidentally, looks like Lil' Kim. His closetedness and drinking ruined their relationship, but for a time they were deeply in love and supposedly they still keep in contact.

A year ago, she posted this comment under the YouTube video for "On the Other Hand" at the link:

THANK YOU MY HERO!! XOXO

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by Anonymousreply 65February 7, 2016 7:36 PM

Are there any country stars that are particularly hard to get along with or just assholes in general besides Florida Georgia Line?

Country stars have a persona of being down to earth. Is anyone the opposite of this - extremely arrogant and full of themselves?

by Anonymousreply 66February 7, 2016 7:55 PM

[quote] s anyone the opposite of this - extremely arrogant and full of themselves?

Dolly Parton. Duh!

by Anonymousreply 67February 7, 2016 7:59 PM

Alabama?

by Anonymousreply 68February 7, 2016 8:41 PM

Both Randy Travis and Tim McGraw were street hustlers. Garth Brooks pays lots and lots of money for Rentboy dick.

by Anonymousreply 69February 7, 2016 10:22 PM

R61 - Wade was straight last I knew.

by Anonymousreply 70February 7, 2016 10:24 PM

Barbara Mandrell?

by Anonymousreply 71February 7, 2016 10:43 PM

Hi!!

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by Anonymousreply 72February 7, 2016 10:48 PM

From a friend who works in Nashville: Taylor Swift - lez and a control freak

Tim McGraw and Faith Hill - open marriage

Carrie Underwood - bitch on wheels

Dolly Parton - lez with imaginary "husband"

Kenny Chesney - gay gay gay

Luke Bryan - bi, open marriage with his wife

Miranda Lambert - is not the innocent party in the breakup of her marriage, did her fair share of cheating

Blake Shelton - into kinky sex/s&m

by Anonymousreply 73February 7, 2016 11:57 PM

R71 - Barbara is supposed to be a hard nut to crack. I do not know what she was like pre-car accident. Never heard any lez or drug rumors but she always had decent handlers. She was nice to me, but it was icy-nice and just in passing. No real warmth, no chit chat. Her sister Irlene is a sweetheart.

by Anonymousreply 74February 8, 2016 1:21 AM

Another thing about Barbara Mandrell...she and Jessica Savitch could have been sisters.

by Anonymousreply 75February 8, 2016 1:25 AM

I had Mark Herndon from Alabama at he NOLA French Quarter bath house about fifteen years ago

by Anonymousreply 76February 8, 2016 1:39 AM

R73 is the one who has the true dish. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 77February 8, 2016 2:05 AM

Blake Shelton has the AIDS.

by Anonymousreply 78February 8, 2016 2:10 AM

Disappointed to hear Skip Ewing is an ass. Always liked his writing.

Luke Bryan can park his boots under my bed anytime he likes. Dayum!!!

by Anonymousreply 79February 8, 2016 2:11 AM

Hunter Hayes may have dated women but he is not straight

Someone on another thread claimed to have fucked one of the Oak Ridge Boys (!). They are big fundies.

by Anonymousreply 80February 8, 2016 2:12 AM

Not surprised to hear that about CU.

by Anonymousreply 81February 8, 2016 3:09 AM

R77

If you think R73 has any inside info then you haven't read the rest of the thread. Anyone who says that Chesney is "gay gay gay" is just making up shit.

Listen to the REAL insiders, not the basement dwellers.

by Anonymousreply 82February 8, 2016 3:35 AM

No real insider would think that queen is straight, r82. Just ask the ex-wife who sued him for fraud....

by Anonymousreply 83February 8, 2016 3:48 AM

R3, thanks for the info. What can you tell us about the Dixie Chicks?

A friend of mine used to go to Dollywood frequently and became friends with some of Dolly Parton's siblings. Not everyone in that family is straight.

by Anonymousreply 84February 8, 2016 4:35 AM

R82 = Kenny Chesney

by Anonymousreply 85February 8, 2016 4:44 AM

Which thread and which Oak Ridge Boy R80? William Lee Golden used to be good-looking.

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by Anonymousreply 86February 8, 2016 4:46 AM

I had heard that Chesney is into black girls. he lives on St John for a reason then......

by Anonymousreply 87February 8, 2016 4:54 AM

At one time it seemed to me Garth Brooks was literally insane. The answers he gave in interviews had little to with the questions and reeked of meglomania. I mean like he was referring to himself as the second coming with this dazed look on his face. The Charlie Rose interview seemed to get shut down early because he was losing it so badly. And that pop record where he is wearing an emo wig and full makeup.

So did he stop everything because he could not maintain? Did someone step in and help him? Sham marriage to Trisha Yearwood? A great talent who also stopped performing.

by Anonymousreply 88February 8, 2016 5:12 AM

That whole Chris Gaines character was a Prince ripoff. I wonder if he bottomed like Prince has all these years......

by Anonymousreply 89February 8, 2016 5:14 AM

At least Prince owns his madness. A lot of great music came out of it. Brooks reminds me of Tom Cruise in some ways.

by Anonymousreply 90February 8, 2016 5:17 AM

The NYT had a piece on Alison Krauss a few years ago. They interviewed her in her home. It all but explicitly said she was gay.

by Anonymousreply 91February 8, 2016 5:20 AM

Rodney Atkins seems to me to have a tiny peen. He NEVER has a substantial bulge.

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by Anonymousreply 92February 8, 2016 5:23 AM

Billy Currington has to be gay. His mannerisms scream it.

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by Anonymousreply 93February 8, 2016 5:25 AM

Luke Bryan posing for the.... ladies?

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by Anonymousreply 94February 8, 2016 6:07 AM

What happened to Faith Hill? She was everywhere. Then one day she turned up looking like she was 70 years old then she disappeared. Garth's whispery interview voice always cracked me up.

by Anonymousreply 95February 8, 2016 10:53 AM

[quote]Barbara is supposed to be a hard nut to crack. I do not know what she was like pre-car accident. Never heard any lez or drug rumors but she always had decent handlers. She was nice to me, but it was icy-nice and just in passing. No real warmth, no chit chat. Her sister Irlene is a sweetheart.

Interesting.

Cathy O'Brien wrote in her book that Barbara and her sisters were CIA controlled MK Ultra slaves.

Did you witness any proof of this?

by Anonymousreply 96February 8, 2016 11:22 AM

Barbara is such a amazing multi-instrumentalist. A really talented woman. She does seem like her personality is put on. Her whole family seem like a bunch of Stepford Wives.

by Anonymousreply 97February 8, 2016 11:31 AM

I agree with R93- Billy Currington gives off a vibe. He is confusing in interviews. I believe he was sexually abused as a child and it messed with his head. I also hear that Rhett Atkins and Rick Trevino dabbled.

by Anonymousreply 98February 8, 2016 12:14 PM

Here's the Nashville guy again. I know Rodney Atkins, have written with him. He's very sweet, handsome enough, straight -- married to a friend, actually -- and I've never notice even the slightest bit of a bulge. Here's hoping he's a grower. McGraw was never a rent boy. Ever. He's Tug McGraw's song, for crying out loud. If he ever needed money, I'm sure Tug would have helped. He also had a publishing deal very early in his career -- long before he had a record deal -- so he would have had income. Chesney is straight. Get over it. Billy Currington? I wrote with him a few times. He would hang out with this girls who looked like total porn stars, but I still got the feeling he was at least bi. We used to work out at the same gym, and I always always always thought he pinged. He's nice, a little dumb, SHORT, and has a fucking amazing body. There is something a little off about him, though. I don't know him well enough to know his background, and if he was abused, though. Garth? I've heard rumors of his bisexuality for years, but never from anyone in Nashville. It's all been speculation on here. I've met him a few times, and he's always been nice, but there is something megalomaniacal about him, but that could be a result of his massive success. It's hard to be that rich and famous and influential and NOT have it go to your head in some ways. He remains a kind person, though, so there's something to be said for that. Taylor is a little controlling -- a friend was in her band for years -- but she is a very sweet, kind, and generous person. She would HAVE to be controlling, given how intrusive the media is on her life. She;s not unkind, but , damn, I would be controlling, too, if every single thing I did was as scrutinized as her. I don't know about her sexuality. Liz Rose, one of her early main writers, is gay, however. Luke Bryan.? Straight, And he has his wife do not have an open relationship. He's a handsome man, and very nice. He's not the party boy his persona would lead you to believe he is.

by Anonymousreply 99February 8, 2016 8:21 PM

R99 what about Rhett Aktins and Rick Tervino? Bi or straight?

by Anonymousreply 100February 8, 2016 8:40 PM

r86, I believe the Oak Ridge Boy was Joe Bonsall

by Anonymousreply 101February 8, 2016 8:43 PM

Who are these has-beens that you keep dragging up? Rhett Atkins? Rick Travino? Have you ever listened to the radio in 20 years? Both are straight. I don't think Rick is active anymore, or at least not in Nashville. He might still be plugging away in Texas in the tex-mex circuit, but I don't know. Even at the height of his fame, he didn't spend much time here in Nashville, but he is straight, I believe. Rhett is a straight redneck. His song, Thomas Rhett, is having a pretty good career right now. He's CLOSE to being handsome, but he just misses the mark. And he's a straight bro.

by Anonymousreply 102February 8, 2016 9:20 PM

I was recently in Taos doing research on a book that I hope to publish about Mexicans, when I was weedling away an afternoon at a local antique shop. I was looking at an old pair of leopard print pajamas that, allegedly, belonged to Sybill Jason (aka the skullery girl in "The Little Princess" 1939) when who should traipse in the door but Miss D herself. She was gorgeous, all cotton candy hair and succulent breasts. I couldn't help but fix my gaze on the bounty that was Dolly. She must have caught me staring at her because she sashayed on over in her red cowboy boots and tight Sergio Valenti's and said, "Hi, I'm Dolly!". I responded that, of course, I knew who she was. I told her that she looked amazing for a woman of her age or any age for that matter and she said, "Well, my granny always told me that it's easier to pick cotton with your teeth than to dance a reel with Marshall McCluhan". I agreed. Dolly asked me what I was doing and I told her about the alleged Sybil Jason socks and she said that she was a huge fan of her work. We continued talking for about a half an hour when finally Dolly asked if I would like her to buy the pajamas for me. I told her that she didn't have to, but she said that it would be her pleasure and that she would love to see me try them on. At that moment, I became very excited. My girl mayo flew out of my HAM faster than you can say "I wanna finger fuck a hick singer".

by Anonymousreply 103February 8, 2016 9:27 PM

That should have read Rhett Atkins SON Thomas Rhett.

by Anonymousreply 104February 8, 2016 9:51 PM

I used to deliver hay with a crew to Reba's ranch during the summer when I was a kid. She insisted one of the people on our crew be fired because he looked he in the eye during a delivery.

by Anonymousreply 105February 8, 2016 11:02 PM

The keyboardist in this band used to have sex with Troy Aikman

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by Anonymousreply 106February 8, 2016 11:34 PM

R103 I know Dolly looks like a cheap tart but I'd fuck her. There is something hot about her. I would have made a move. Even if you were a guy or girl she probably wouldn't care. However her girlfriend might have cared.......

by Anonymousreply 107February 8, 2016 11:56 PM

Going straight for Dolly?! Oh, please. She's a 70-year-old woman.

by Anonymousreply 108February 9, 2016 12:03 AM

No inside knowledge, but it would not surprise me if Dolly has never been with a man.

by Anonymousreply 109February 9, 2016 12:05 AM

R103

I met TS shortly after "Tim McGraw" and was impressed with her intelligence and self-assured persona. Nice, a bit perfunct, but laser focused. Just from that one interaction I was pretty sure she would have a long career. Her level of success today is a little overwhelming (possibly bigger than SHE imagined, based on that single wide-ranging conversation...unless she was being modest) and I don't begrudge her protective shell.

Since I'm not in the biz I think she was relieved to talk about unrelated fun stuff.

I'm pretty sure that she would also score pretty high on the Levenson Scale, but in a very benign way. More Mariah than Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 110February 9, 2016 12:20 AM

I agree R109

I totally get that vibe from her. Plus if you read her book, it sounds like she figured out her sexuality young and wasn't going to let herself be persuaded otherwise. She's also always looked uncomfortably awkward when she's had to play opposite male love interests.

Good for her, anyway. Wish she'd come out once and for all. She's adorable and could be our queen.

by Anonymousreply 111February 9, 2016 1:26 AM

I cream my jeans when I hear Josh Turner sing.

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by Anonymousreply 112February 9, 2016 1:31 AM

R96 - that's a new one. Maybe they worked with Chuck Barris?

by Anonymousreply 113February 9, 2016 1:49 AM

Billy Currington has a huge and I mean huge cock. Clint Black is married (or was I dunno anymore) to Lisa Hartman a notorious muff diver - Clint is said to like the men as well.

by Anonymousreply 114February 9, 2016 1:50 AM

Billy Currington is a drunken sociopath. But he probably has the best mugshot in mugshot history.

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by Anonymousreply 115February 9, 2016 1:54 AM

Check out Our Lady of High Standards at R115 .

by Anonymousreply 116February 9, 2016 1:56 AM

On other gossip sites guys have said they turned tricks with Dolly's husband. No idea if it's true but they're definitely out there. At least one said he got him from the back of a magazine and met him at Dolly's old 5th Ave apartment. She's definitely a lady lover.

Barbara Mandrell had a rep for being rude and cheap.

by Anonymousreply 117February 9, 2016 9:21 AM

Why did Reba and Narvel divorce?

by Anonymousreply 118February 9, 2016 11:40 AM

Does anyone know anything about Bryan White? He was the gayest looking twinkie when he first hit the country scene but is now evidently married with children.

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by Anonymousreply 119February 9, 2016 11:54 AM

R112- Josh Turner has an excellent voice. But he is the father of three boys, his wife tours with him, and he is so devoutly Christian it has kept him from singing better songs. He probably thinks gays are the Devil's own. I hear Clint Black, Buck Owens, Roy Clark, Ricky Skaggs, and George Strait all wandered to the other side. Always wondered about Bryan White. A lot of these new guys don't care if gay men like them. They don't play to them, but they don't ignore them either. Luke Bryan isn't shaking his ass on stage for all the fat, homely girls at his concerts. Look at The Band Perry- those two boys are so gay.

Sad to hear that Reba and Barbara weren't nice- I love them both. Dolly is a queen. There is no other female songwriter in the 20th century who is equal to Dylan, The Beatles, or Rodgers and Hammerstein.

by Anonymousreply 120February 9, 2016 12:58 PM

[quote] I used to deliver hay with a crew to Reba's ranch during the summer when I was a kid. She insisted one of the people on our crew be fired because he looked he in the eye during a delivery.

I don't believe this for a moment, not about any celebrity, let alone Reba.

by Anonymousreply 121February 9, 2016 1:27 PM

Ahem, OP / R120.

by Anonymousreply 122February 9, 2016 1:31 PM

R122 I forgot about the great Joni Mitchell - my sin

by Anonymousreply 123February 9, 2016 1:35 PM

The band perry guys really do seem very gay. I ill owed one on twitter a long time ago and I even got gay vibes from the tweets.

by Anonymousreply 124February 9, 2016 1:52 PM

Loretta Lynn is a better songwriter than Dolly, IMHO.

Dolly, Joni and Loretta (and perhaps Carole and Cyndi) are the top female writers.

by Anonymousreply 125February 9, 2016 2:08 PM

Those freaks on the Band Perry just scream twincest ! I like their music okay , but I cant bear to watch them . They give me the weirdest vibes .

by Anonymousreply 126February 9, 2016 2:43 PM

Keith Urban? I've heard, time and again, that he's a nice guy who's bi.

by Anonymousreply 127February 9, 2016 2:52 PM

Posts like R103 are why I can't quit this place. Dying! W/W to you.

by Anonymousreply 128February 9, 2016 2:58 PM

I laugh at people who think Kenny Chesney likes pussy. JFC, are you stupid?

Dolly is mostly bi, but back in the 80's there was a publicized story where she befriended a poor hillbilly boy (12 y.o.), made him tie her up and use vibrators on her, etc. It's been scrubbed, this story. But it is true. She's a freak. As are most country musicians. They've been fucked and sucked since childhood, most of these twits. Truly sick shit.

But don't let the facts get in your way. Just spout the media-induced PR stories about how Kenny loves vag, etc. Stupid cunts.

by Anonymousreply 129February 9, 2016 3:08 PM

Have Nashville forgotten about Chely Wright? I know she came out with a book and a CD almost six years ago when she announced to the public that she was a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 130February 9, 2016 3:33 PM

The Opry did R130. Once she came out they and the Country Music Hall of Fame stopped inviting her to sing.

by Anonymousreply 131February 9, 2016 3:43 PM

Don't believe the story about Reba wanting to fire someone for looking her in the eye. I've met Reba a million times. The first time was when I was new to Nashville, and was invited to a party for a friend. I didn't know anyone at the party, and, when my friend left my side, Reba must have noticed that I felt awkward and uncomfortable, and she walked right up to me, shook my hand, and introduced herself. She is a very kind, down to earth person. She and Narvel broke up because she found out he had been cheating on her.

by Anonymousreply 132February 9, 2016 4:40 PM

Thanks for the info, OP.

by Anonymousreply 133February 9, 2016 5:48 PM

The Wilkinsons

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by Anonymousreply 134February 9, 2016 7:21 PM

JUDY GARLAND SHOW, DICK VAN DYKE AND THE OTHER WOMAN, MERV GRIFFIN SHOW ON GETTV DINAH SHORE ON JLTV MAMA'S FAMILY ON METV

by Anonymousreply 135February 9, 2016 7:22 PM

[quote] I've read here numerous times before that George Strait loves him some twinks.

So then it must be true.

by Anonymousreply 136February 9, 2016 8:19 PM

Anyone see Tanya Tucker on Dan Rather's show last week? A great talent, but boy she looks older than her age!

by Anonymousreply 137February 9, 2016 8:20 PM

Both the guys from Lady Antebellum have gayface - I think they're straight, though

by Anonymousreply 138February 9, 2016 8:22 PM

Both of the guys from Lady A are, indeed, straight.

by Anonymousreply 139February 9, 2016 8:28 PM

Listen , cunt at R129 . I have zero skin in the game of wether Kenny Chesney is straight or gay , and as I stated upthread my friend who is hotter than hell tried everything he could to pick him up and it was no go . And Kenny was drunk ! My friend said he flirted and teased ,but any time he stared at anyone it was a female . My friend isn't a liar ,and Im not either ,so piss off !

by Anonymousreply 140February 9, 2016 8:37 PM

Michelle Wright?

by Anonymousreply 141February 9, 2016 11:21 PM

The Judds?

by Anonymousreply 142February 9, 2016 11:38 PM

Why are people just posting names with a question mark after them?!? How about typing a full sentence? I don't know anything about Michelle Wright. SHe's always been a Canadian artist who just had a few good songs here, LONG ago. The Judds? Wynona is as lovely as can be. I've never met Naomi, but she is not very well liked.

by Anonymousreply 143February 9, 2016 11:42 PM

After RZ divorce I always thought KC was gay. Then I met him, and please Jesus he's straight. Fucking obnoxious asshole.

by Anonymousreply 144February 9, 2016 11:48 PM

Wynonna Judd pings

by Anonymousreply 145February 9, 2016 11:54 PM

Was Amy Grant's first husband , Gary Chapman gay? Is that why she turned to Vince Gill? How about Mark Wills? I saw Little Big Town do a interview. I love them just hate that they won fame for stupid song outside of " Girl Crush". Karen Fairchild has an excellent voice. What ever happened to Tracy Byrd ? He had the best eyes. Heard Tracy Lawrence walked on the wild side side before he became famous, just like Randy Travis.

by Anonymousreply 146February 9, 2016 11:55 PM

Remember the Ty H. rumors? LOL

by Anonymousreply 147February 10, 2016 12:52 AM

^ Rumors? More like facts!

by Anonymousreply 148February 10, 2016 12:53 AM

That's why I added the LOL

by Anonymousreply 149February 10, 2016 1:21 AM

Another vote for Reba. She's a good businesswoman and has always been very nice to her fans. Her son is cute.

A friend of mine became friends with Jeannie C. Riley while she was on a religious kick. She tried to anoint everyone in her house one night. I met her and she was wearing a fur coat and giant sunglasses, even though it was dusk. I love a hot mess so bless her, it was fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 150February 10, 2016 1:31 AM

A friend slept with Ty Herndon in 1991-2 and was in love.

He's still handsome.

by Anonymousreply 151February 10, 2016 2:27 AM

TRACY BYRD! I kept wondering who Ted Cruz reminded me of, and it's him!!!

And -- Gary Chapman is straight. He used to be handsome, but hasn't aged well. I've heard he's had a problem with coke, but it might have just been a rumor. He's remarried. Tracy Lawrence? Where are you digging these names up from? I actually liked some of his music, and think his "Paint me a Birmingham" was one of the last great, well-written country songs, before it started to go downhill.

And -- I've known the Little Big Town guys for years, although I don't see them at all anymore. We used to be represented by the same people. They've been around for years and years, and I'm glad they're still doing well. There were years when nothing was happening to their career, and most others would have given up. The men are both very nice -- and dear god Jimi is hotter than fuck -- but the girls always left me cold. THey're not the friendliest in the world.

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by Anonymousreply 152February 10, 2016 3:02 AM

I always got the feeling Wynonna is bisexual. I agree with the poster who said she pings. Wynonna was/is also a big Xena fan. That alone is enough to make me question her sexuality. I know it is a cliche, but I just do not know too many straight women fans of that show. She seems to really love her husband, though.

by Anonymousreply 153February 10, 2016 3:40 AM

I never got the idea Wynonna was bisexual. Not ever. LOL

by Anonymousreply 154February 10, 2016 3:46 AM

Wynonna was on a cooking show a while back, and I got the feeling she was far more interested in the beautiful cook than she was the food. I also lived in Nashville in the late 80s and heard rumors about her being gay.

by Anonymousreply 155February 10, 2016 3:50 AM

R152

"Time Marches On" by Tracy Lawrence is his best song.

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by Anonymousreply 156February 10, 2016 3:57 AM

Time Marches On is, indeed, a great song. it was written by the same guy who wrote "He Stopped Loving Her Today," another great country song.

by Anonymousreply 157February 10, 2016 4:10 AM

Ultimately most country singers - gay or straight - are assholes, sucking up to the "god bless america which means country" crowd. Shallow limited fucks.

by Anonymousreply 158February 10, 2016 4:13 AM

What about Allison Moorer?

by Anonymousreply 159February 10, 2016 12:00 PM

Allison Moorer?!? I didn't think anyone knew about her. We were also represented by the same people for a while, so I would see her fairly often. She's Shelby Lynne's younger sister. A little grumpy and arrogant, and not overly friendly. She wouldn't do or write or sing what she needed to do to have a better career; she was very stubborn. The last I heard, she was living in NYC, and married to Steve Earle.

by Anonymousreply 160February 10, 2016 3:34 PM

Allison Moorer is now divorced from Steve Earle and raising their son in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 161February 10, 2016 4:21 PM

Did Sara Evans' first husband's scandal hurt her career at all?

by Anonymousreply 162February 10, 2016 4:57 PM

What did the Nashville establishment thought of Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings during the "Outlaw Country" era in the 1970's? What did the people in Nashville thought about hippies with long hair?

by Anonymousreply 163February 10, 2016 9:07 PM

This

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by Anonymousreply 164February 10, 2016 10:45 PM

Speaking of Shelby Lynne, WEHT her?

by Anonymousreply 165February 10, 2016 11:29 PM

r99 You certainly don't burn any bridges with your "gossip", everybody is straight and normal; okay. r145 She pongs.

by Anonymousreply 166February 10, 2016 11:42 PM

After what happened to Shelby Lynne and Allison Moorer when they were kids, it's a wonder they're both not alcoholic or addicted to dope or in an institution. Or dead themselves.

by Anonymousreply 167February 11, 2016 4:07 AM

He looked Reba in the eye, R105? Which eye?

by Anonymousreply 168February 11, 2016 4:43 AM

As a kid, I had a crush on Buck Owens while watching "Hee Haw." And now to read that he swung both ways... Lordy me!

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by Anonymousreply 169February 11, 2016 5:00 AM

What about Charley Pride?

by Anonymousreply 170February 11, 2016 11:36 AM

Somewhere on the Internet it was posted that the guys from Alabama could be not so nice to waitresses, workers, etc. ONe story said they tripped a waitress carrying a tray of drinks and that she had to pay for the drinks out of her pocket, that they refused. Does this sound like something they would do? What are they really like?

by Anonymousreply 171February 11, 2016 2:14 PM

R169 I love Buck Owens. I love " Who's Gonna Mown Your Lawn"- and I always thought his singing partner- Don something- was hot and his lover.

by Anonymousreply 172February 11, 2016 3:21 PM

Shelby Lynne is doing Americana music these days.

by Anonymousreply 173February 11, 2016 3:26 PM

Americana just means country music by artists who are no longer popular.

by Anonymousreply 174February 11, 2016 3:40 PM

Any gossip on Gretchen Wilson?

by Anonymousreply 175February 11, 2016 5:01 PM

Gary Chapman was/is a drunk and druggie. He's on his third marriage. Possibly bi-polar. Has anger management issues since before he was married.

by Anonymousreply 176February 11, 2016 6:04 PM

Im the Nashville guy again. Gretchen Wilson. I hadn't thought of her in years. I knew her LONG before she recorded her first album. In fact, I was one of the first to hear the original demo of Redneck Woman, and I thought it was either going to be the biggest hit of the year or a huge bomb. I had no clue how the public would respond. First of all -- that girl can SING. She same a bunch of demos for me, and they almost all sound better than the actual records. She's not the friendliest person on earth, though. it's not that she's unkind, but she is white trash and redneck and ROUGH. SHe's also a lot prettier in person than in photos. She could have had a HUGE career is she weren't as stubborn as she is. I was friendly with her A and R man, and he would play me all these incredible songs that she passed on, because she wanted to do it her way. And, her way was wrong. She never evolved past being that angry redneck woman, and she became a one trick pony. If she had stretched a little bit and listened to some sound advice, she would probably still have a career.

by Anonymousreply 177February 11, 2016 7:43 PM

Wilson really has a hard on for classic rock. She even did that classic rock covers album. She seems very defiant that's for sure. white Trash? Not a surprise at all. Bisexual or gay? I have always had the impression that she's cock crazy. Unlike Taylor Swift.......

by Anonymousreply 178February 11, 2016 7:55 PM

Country music used to have some great women singers, from Patsy Cline to Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton and Reba McEntire. Now the Country charts are dominated by bro country acts and the only women you see are Carrie Underwood and Miranda Lambert.

by Anonymousreply 179February 11, 2016 8:01 PM

I want to hear some Carrie Underwood stories. About what a bitch she can be.

by Anonymousreply 180February 11, 2016 8:11 PM

r179, country has always been male dominated. Patsy, Loretta, et al were the exceptions to the rule

by Anonymousreply 181February 11, 2016 8:12 PM

I love to hear Gretchen Wilson sing" I Don't Feel Like Loving You Today"- a great song. But she brings me to John Rich. I have heard he is an asshole. I have heard that he has a past he would like to keep quiet about. And what about tiny Justin Moore and Brantley Gilbert. Justin Moore has a good voice but sings stupid songs, and Gilbert is just ugly and wrong minded in all of his songs. And why doesn't Josh Thompson have a bigger career? Also why is Gary Allen always shut out. I love a great deal of his music.

by Anonymousreply 182February 11, 2016 8:32 PM

Chely Wright called out John Rich for being a homophobe.

by Anonymousreply 183February 11, 2016 8:34 PM

I always thought John Rich was a closet case. Anyone who is that macho is hiding something.

by Anonymousreply 184February 11, 2016 8:45 PM

Me again. I didn't realize I knew as many people as I do until I started reading the thread. Gretchen is straight. And really sexy in person. I don't know if she's a homophobe -- even though we have spent a lot of time together, she didn't know I was gay, and I didn't bring it up because I could just sense that she wouldn't be exactly open about it. I could be wrong, though. Gary Allen has had a very very long career. He's done ok for himself, so I wouldn't say he's been "shut out." He had his moment, and it was longer than most. He currently co-owns a clothing store in nashville called The Label. Carrie is really a bitch. She's awful. I was once in the studio where she was recording -- Starstruck, Reba's studio, which is absolutely state of the art -- and her monster of a dog ran across the lobby and bit someone. She started yelling "what did you do to my dog?!?" SHe's nasty. I was in the studio a lot while she was recording one of her cds -- the studio is attached to writing rooms I used -- and she would do ANYTHING to look at people. The other people in the office used to make it a joke by trying to catch her eye and say hello, but she would always look away so she wouldn't have to talk to people. She's unfriendly and a total bitch. John Rich? Please. he's a first class redneck ass. I don't know if he's a homophobe, though. His parter -- Kenny -- is not, and is actually a nice guy, if a bit of an egomaniac. I think Chely's problem was that she tried to stay at the party long after her invitation was valid, and blamed her lack of success of homophobia. She had a great voice and had some nice songs, and she should have been more successful than she was, but I don't think one bit of it was because of homophobia. Sometimes acts stake a chord with the public, and sometimes they don't., and who knows why?

by Anonymousreply 185February 11, 2016 8:47 PM

John Rich may be an asshole ,but he is HOT . Something about his voice gives me tingles in my naughty bits .

by Anonymousreply 186February 11, 2016 9:13 PM

I know this may sound silly. What did the country singers think of Rhythm & Blues singers like Aretha Franklin, Joe Simon, Joe Tex, etc?

by Anonymousreply 187February 11, 2016 10:00 PM

R185 - what was the story with the split between Dwight Yoakham and Pete Anderson? Dwight seemed to really lose focus until he found Eugene Edwards. Eugene is an awesome guitarist who seems to play like Don Rich and Pete Anderson crossed with Ricky Skaggs and Marty Stuart.

I'm also curious if you've heard anything about some guys (Steve Forbert, John Eddie) who are on the fringes of the Nashville scene.

by Anonymousreply 188February 11, 2016 11:07 PM

Gretchen Wilson is one of the most underappreciated singers ever. I hate her during her red hot phase. Then I went deeper into her catalog and her live performances on YouTube. Her pipes are fucking incredible.

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by Anonymousreply 189February 11, 2016 11:12 PM

That was great, R185. Thanks for the insider's view.

by Anonymousreply 190February 11, 2016 11:24 PM

Chely's biggest problem was her shit taste in material.

by Anonymousreply 191February 11, 2016 11:33 PM

"I think Chely's problem was that she tried to stay at the party long after her invitation was valid, and blamed her lack of success of homophobia. She had a great voice and had some nice songs, and she should have been more successful than she was, but I don't think one bit of it was because of homophobia."

Oh, please. I love it how people pretend homophobia doesn't exist. John Rich is a VOCAL homophobe, as are many other country singers like Trace Adkins. Yet you are going to pretend that no one is homophobic?

by Anonymousreply 192February 11, 2016 11:37 PM

Well which Chely CD did you buy R192?

by Anonymousreply 193February 11, 2016 11:38 PM

When did I say I bought her CDs? I was pointing out that it is stupid to pretend homophobia doesn't exist. Why do you think so may people in showbiz are closeted? Just for the hell of it?

by Anonymousreply 194February 11, 2016 11:44 PM

R189-

That was amazing. I love Alice in Chains, and Heart, and Barracuda- but Gretchen OWNED that song. I had no idea she had that much power and control.

by Anonymousreply 195February 11, 2016 11:47 PM

Gretchen's best song. Midnight Oil on the Barbara Mandrell tribute CD. She takes it down a few notches and sings a song exactly as the writers meant it to be sung. Really a good song.

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by Anonymousreply 196February 11, 2016 11:55 PM

and here's Barbara doing Midnight Oil live when she was in her early 20s. She left all of her cute like me like me gimmicks at home and it's really something. Maybe it's something about the song that brings out the best in some singers.

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by Anonymousreply 197February 11, 2016 11:59 PM

it helps that eyebrows behind Barbara is hot as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 198February 12, 2016 12:02 AM

Can we have some more tea on Dolly, Cool Country Insider?

How gay is she? Does she say anything to hint / confirm at it? What's Judy like? What's the word on her lesbianism round Nashville?

I'll take anything you got. Please and thank you.

by Anonymousreply 199February 12, 2016 12:15 AM

Me again. I didn't say John Rich was a homophobe, I just don't have any first-hand knowledge about it. Yes, homophobia does exist in the music industry. A lot. Most of the office workers -- and many of the singers, like Paisley, Yearwood, et al -- went to a local christian college, Belmont. And, yes, there are an awful lot of small minded , bigoted, homophobic people running the industry. I would never deny that. In fact, it's one of the main reasons I stopped writing and moved on. (That, and I just stopped enjoying it, and don't care for what's out there now.) BUT: homophobia can't be blamed for everything, including the lack of Chely's career. She just didn't click with the public, despite having a few very very huge songs. Some people click, some don't. She just didn't, and it had nothing to do with her being gay. AND -- yes, Gretchen can sing. I used her on a lot of demos, and she could nail pretty much anything. She is an amazing singer. If she weren't as ornery and stubborn, she would still be a big star. She was also pretty closely tied in to Big and Rich, and a lot of that crowd developed a hipper than thou attitude which did them no favors. As far as Dolly is concerned: Judy is obviously devoted to Dolly, but very very quiet. She barely said a word, this despite spending hours and hours with the two of them. She is loved her by all, and, although she has an office here, she really doesnt spent much time here at all. Oh, ok, one quick Dolly story that I heard, but I don't know if it's apocryphal. She was at a restaurant here, and the waitress was nervous, and told her so. Dolly replied, don't worry, honey, just don't fuck anything up, in a very loving, playful way.

by Anonymousreply 200February 12, 2016 1:22 AM

If you haven't read Dolly's autobiography you really should. I read it before I was a fan. It's what actually made me a fan. A friend lent it to me and begged me to read it. I promised I would try. I started the book about 8pm one night and called in sick the next day because I couldn't put the book down.

by Anonymousreply 201February 12, 2016 1:28 AM

Garth Brooks is not homophobic. I will always remember his statements in support of his lesbian sister, who I think was in his band? Barbra Black Widow Walters asked him if he wasn't afraid of losing his country fanbase for being pro gay and he famously responded " I have more money than my children's grandchildren can ever spend, if I lose some fans I will survive." Crass yeah, but let's' not be too picky. I loved Trisha Yearwood as a singer and I would like to think that she too is not homophobic, married to Brooks. Plus Garth had all that phat ASS.

by Anonymousreply 202February 12, 2016 1:35 AM

R200-

Perhaps you can help with another apocryphal story about Dolly and "9 to 5" The Musical! on Broadway.

Allegedly Dolly started with the janitorial staff, ushers, props people, etc., before finally introducing herself to the production leads and making a point of emphasizing the importance of the janitors in the show?

I'm from her part of the woods, and her reputation is messianic. I'm a believer.

I've met some very famous people, but I've never met her, and it would take all of my willpower not to be intimidated and become a fanboy geek.

by Anonymousreply 203February 12, 2016 1:47 AM

Me again. Another Dolly story. I used to work for a company that had some business in Pigeon Forge area, where she is from. She would give everyone who graduated high school money -- I don't remember how much -- but she didn't want it publicized. That, alone, made me love her. I wish I had more Dolly stories, but I don't. But I can't imagine there's a single person on earth who doesn't appreciate her in some way.

by Anonymousreply 204February 12, 2016 1:56 AM

R204

Graduates in Sevier country have scholarships paid for by Dolly. If you graduate, she pays for college.

by Anonymousreply 205February 12, 2016 2:01 AM

Thanks, Cool Country Insider!

She is special, undoubtedly. And complex. A true original.

But it would make my little lesbian heart if I could definitely know she's gay. I think she's the only celebrity I've ever really crushed on and she's got about 35 years on me. But it would just warm my soul to know she's family.

by Anonymousreply 206February 12, 2016 2:02 AM

I can't imagine Dolly being crass and filthy. What sort of things was she saying?

by Anonymousreply 207February 12, 2016 2:05 AM

The insider doesn't know Dolly Parton at all. He has met her. When did she ever need some low level co-writer? Never. I am sure Dolly loves the janitors, her reputation is messianic everywhere. I get weary of the lesbian stories, not because they sound false, but Dolly is such a damn fine person and heroic talent, I don't care. She has never claimed to be faithful or celibate. She has denied being gay. No woman has ever publicly claimed to have dollied with Dolly. Who knows, who cares. Dolly is not Stevie Nicks. Parton mostly tells the truth and her talent never ran dry. Even Ronnie Milsap can see that Dolly is a good person no matter how she succeeds, or what she wants to keep to herself.

by Anonymousreply 208February 12, 2016 2:08 AM

Lord, I could rant for an hour.

Dollywood employs a LOT of people. The surrounding business depends on Dolly, especially since ski slopes are rarely open.

Unlike Trump, she could literally murder someone on live TV and walk away a free woman.

I'm not in entertainment, so meeting her would be unlikely unless it happened randomly at some event. Of the few celebrities that I've met most were normal adjacent. The only actively evil one that I used to love was Her Madgesty. It made me actively avoid meeting celebrities.

by Anonymousreply 209February 12, 2016 2:09 AM

Whoa, R208-

WTF? Dolly, trashy? She wrote the book!

I'm from her part of the world, but it takes money for her to look that cheap!

by Anonymousreply 210February 12, 2016 2:12 AM

What, r210 ??

Anyone who thinks that Loretta Lynn is a better songwriter that Dolly Parton is intimate with trashy. Some of us know more about music, the business and how it works. No one gets to where Parton is without having some skills. You sound very naive.

Rant for an hour. What you got?

by Anonymousreply 211February 12, 2016 2:22 AM

R208, respectfully, you clearly don't know shiz.

I checked out the L Chat thread on her recommended on here (it's good - they've pulled together a lot of evidence and it's still good natured and fun). I don't think anyone's read the entire thread and not been convinced. There's not only hundreds of independent and credible sources collated about her lesbianism over 50 years, but also astonishing proof of how often she lies. Links to multiple interviews, including onscreen ones, where she tells completely contradictory stories. Crazy levels of lying, provable and undeniable. From big things to little, pointless things - it's pathological. Anyone else would have been called out on it years ago.

I like Dolly a lot. But just because you don't care if she's gay, doesn't mean others don't. I do care. I think she's had a good run playing the heterosexual card and of course she's looked after her TN people well. But the gay community is her community to and she should grow a pair. Well, a different pair. She'd make a big difference. I don't believe in outing, but frankly most of the world knows anyway, at least out of the backwaters. I'd like to see her do it of her own volition.

If she doesn't, the story that won't go away after she's died is the accusation about her abuse of that boy. Which she's handled badly from the start. She could nix having that nasty legacy by just telling the truth now that she's always been a girl's girl.

by Anonymousreply 212February 12, 2016 2:23 AM

I am in show biz you fool. I will leave it at that. I have never worked with Dolly. C'est tout.

by Anonymousreply 213February 12, 2016 2:29 AM

Has anyone got a R213 to English dictionary?

by Anonymousreply 214February 12, 2016 2:33 AM

I so want to hear stories about Emerson Drive. Please indulge me.

by Anonymousreply 215February 12, 2016 2:40 AM

EMERSON DRIVE?!?!? You remember them? It's me again, and we were also represented by the same people for a time. They are very nice guys from canada. I didn't think they were particularly talented, and they didn't have a long career. I suspect they might have moved back to Canada . I haven't heard anything about them for a very long time. And I never claimed I knew Dolly, but I spent a day with her. Her jokes are ribald and bawdy and full of innuendos, which surprised me. And after the insult and the asinine comment, I suspect I will leave this thread.

by Anonymousreply 216February 12, 2016 2:50 AM

No! Stay, R216.

Don't let one insensible asshat drive you away. Your knowledge is appreciated by others here.

by Anonymousreply 217February 12, 2016 2:52 AM

Agree 1,000 percent with R217.

And R208? I've just now ignited a grease fire with your name on it.

by Anonymousreply 218February 12, 2016 5:02 AM

Dolly telling that crowd in Washington that she did not want to look like a bulldyke makes her either a bigot or someone struggling with the closet. I don't think she is a bigot.

by Anonymousreply 219February 12, 2016 5:24 AM

Dolly Parton's brother called me one time, about 20 years ago. He owned a fireworks store in Pigeon Forge. I'm in a closely related business so he wanted to "talk shop." He was great fun, I liked him and we chatted for about 30 minutes. Nothing about Dolly though. I would have like to become friends with him, but sadly I never heard from him again after that call.

Didn't Dollly once say in an interview, "If I were a man, I'd be a drag queen" because she enjoys putting on all the costumes and makeup?

by Anonymousreply 220February 12, 2016 5:33 AM

Are we all convinced Dolly Rebecca ISN'T a drag queen?

by Anonymousreply 221February 12, 2016 5:42 AM

[quote]And I never claimed I knew Dolly, but I spent a day with her. Her jokes are ribald and bawdy and full of innuendos, which surprised me. And after the insult and the asinine comment, I suspect I will leave this thread.

This type of naive statement is common of people who claim to be in the business, but are not. My grandmother knows that Dolly is ribald and bawdy and full of innuendos. And she don't run from someone who questions her veracity.

As for me, MISTER R208, I have read my post again and there is nothing wrong or negative about it. I stated that the insider writer had never worked with Parton and he subsequently agreed. If he found that to be such an insult that he ran, ask yourself why. Nothing assinie about the truth.

I am not primarily involved with country music, so will not likely to die in a grease fire. I have worked with Reba and Kelly Clarkson and Shelton. I had no problem believing that the "insider" was a songwriter, his gossip was innocuous. Who pings, has a bulge, and a strange affection for Gretchen Wilson? Harmless accounts about people he said he worked closely with, but never revealed his sexuality to. Business is like that. So what the fuck does he know when he had zero gossip? He knew more about indistinct or long forgotten performers, which is sometimes when people will talk. But he was asked too many questions about real people and performers outside his purview. So he started lying or getting nervous. Or he lied from the start. He sure is gone.

The golden goose couldn't help illiterate loons like R212 with her multiple posts about how Dolly Parton tied up a 12 year old boy, so why not her! I intervened and your insider went away. Sorry ladyboy. I hear L Chat has a lot of information on Dolly's Part In.

I recognize your nomenclature R212. Don't fuck with me no more. You are the only twat here. You got a dick tho.

by Anonymousreply 222February 12, 2016 5:48 AM

Tell us about thick, buff hottie Keith Anderson. He's married to a black woman and they have a kid. He once was on the cusp of at least a Big & Rich level of fame, but when Bro Country became all the rage, he sort of disappeared.

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by Anonymousreply 223February 12, 2016 5:54 AM

Let's discuss sexy Joe Nichols. He was once a bigger deal in Country than Blake Shelton. He had some substance abuse issues, but has leaned up his act and gotten married, had a kid, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 224February 12, 2016 5:59 AM

That's "cleaned" up his act.

by Anonymousreply 225February 12, 2016 6:00 AM

Hunter Hayes was fucked by Jason Mraz right?

by Anonymousreply 226February 12, 2016 6:36 AM

holy shit Keith Anderson is hot!

by Anonymousreply 227February 12, 2016 7:00 AM

well...not in all pics

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by Anonymousreply 228February 12, 2016 7:01 AM

Oh please, R228. That's a still from one of his videos where he's in mid-sentence of singing a line.

by Anonymousreply 229February 12, 2016 7:26 AM

Nurse?! R222's out of bed again...

by Anonymousreply 230February 12, 2016 8:29 AM

I went through a short period of enjoying country and bluegrass music... the songwriting was better than pop music, I could understand the lyrics, some of the men were hot (Clint Black - jesus, I had a thing for him and yes. the bulge in his jeans).

Anyway, this thread got me thinking and I suddenly remembered Chris Cagle... God I thought he was hot and he'd have a long career, but his personal like seemed to implode, there were rumors that he was a heavy drinker, etc...

So I googled him and he's retired from the music scene, is married with kids. I really thought he was gay... anyone have the scoop on what happened to his career and if all of the rumors of his drinking and digging men were true?

by Anonymousreply 231February 12, 2016 10:33 AM

What about SheDaisy?

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by Anonymousreply 232February 12, 2016 11:10 AM

I loved She Daisy LOL then they just seemed to fade into oblivion. That seems to happen in country music more than any other genre.

by Anonymousreply 233February 12, 2016 3:04 PM

Clint Black is a midget

by Anonymousreply 234February 12, 2016 3:35 PM

R222 -- You really are an ass. And the reason why a lot of people, I'm sure, don't bother posting anything real on here anymore.

by Anonymousreply 235February 12, 2016 3:42 PM

What about Terri Clark?

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by Anonymousreply 236February 12, 2016 5:03 PM

The lesbians have claimed her as their own from all rumors I've heard, R236.

by Anonymousreply 237February 12, 2016 5:47 PM

There is enough dirt about the late Tammy Wynette or the late Dottie West to fill their own threads.

by Anonymousreply 238February 12, 2016 6:16 PM

Let's hear some Tammy tales.

by Anonymousreply 239February 12, 2016 6:21 PM

Country music is terrible.

by Anonymousreply 240February 12, 2016 6:42 PM

I agree with you, r240. Country music is like pop tart music these days. I love the old country music from the 1970's.

by Anonymousreply 241February 12, 2016 7:06 PM

Keith Anderson was sex on a stick.

by Anonymousreply 242February 12, 2016 7:11 PM

Why did Sheryl Crow jumped from rock music to country music in the last several years? I know she moved to Nashville years ago.

by Anonymousreply 243February 12, 2016 7:32 PM

What did the country music community in Nashville thought of Olivia Newton-John way back in the 1970's? Yes, she was from Australia. I was just wondering what did the country music community thought of her back then.

by Anonymousreply 244February 12, 2016 9:21 PM

R234 - one thing I'll say about Clint is he still is great in concert. He was smart enough to realize that his career is actually a duo - Clint and his co-writer/guitarist Hayden Nicholas. Their new songs are just as good as the old hits. It's just they get zero AirPlay. He goes all out playing for 1,000 people instead of 15,000 in the past.

by Anonymousreply 245February 12, 2016 10:47 PM

She got a fair amount of kickback, R244. Mainly once she started winning awards. Dolly, if memory serves, was one of her few vocal defenders.

But then she knew ONJ from *ahem* other circles. Plus she's nice. But others didn't want this interloper who they thought wasn't "real country" (and I'd agree) stepping over their territory, diluting with pop.

by Anonymousreply 246February 12, 2016 11:23 PM

Thanks for the info, r246.

by Anonymousreply 247February 12, 2016 11:29 PM

I just found this thread.

I've lived in Nashville my whole life. I'm not in the biz but I do have some gossip.

Garth and his first wife rented the house next door to my aunt. This was shortly before he hit it big. My aunt adored Garth and his sister. They were very friendly and he was very "gentlemanly" to my aunt. His wife on the other hand was a raging cunt. Rude to every one. She would scream and rage at him, throwing stuff. Their fights would spill out into the yard. My aunt's neighborhood was a quite little street so this was completely out of the realm My aunt said she knew that marriage was doomed.

My aunt's best friend was Barbara Mandrell's long time maid. She did not have anything nice to say about Barbara. She was a bitch, CHEAP, and never satisfied. Her husband was very nice and was always apologizing for BM's bad behavior.

I became friends with Amy Grant in my late teens. Very sweet girl. Her dad was a doctor but her mother's side comes from great wealth. Amy's first husband got a nice payout during the divorce.

My sister went to the same manicurist that Tanya Tucker went to way back in the day. During her affair with Campbell she'd show up covered in bruises. She even showed up once with stitches on both wrists after a suicide attempt. They had a truly toxic relationship.

I lived in the same Green Hills neighborhood with Keith Urban and Nicole. This was prior to their moving on their farm. Neither one pinged at all. They are very demonstrative with each other. They were also both very friendly and engaging to be around. I'd always heard about Nicole having a cool and aloof persona but she's nothing like that. She is shy but very warm and nice. To look at them you'd think they shouldn't fit but they actually do. .

by Anonymousreply 248February 13, 2016 12:11 AM

Do you know Ty Herndon?

by Anonymousreply 249February 13, 2016 12:15 AM

Adding to r249 - is Ty as big of a ho as everyone says?

by Anonymousreply 250February 13, 2016 12:53 AM

Thanks for the info on Barbara Mandrell, r248. She always seemed like a bitch to me when I watched her interviews or looked at her performances on television. She acted like her crap didn't stink.

by Anonymousreply 251February 13, 2016 10:16 AM

VPL master Aaron Tippin looks like he stepped right off the set of a '70s gay porno. Any stories?

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by Anonymousreply 252February 13, 2016 3:34 PM

That big dicked daddy STILL looks hot ! I had forgotten about him ,R252 !

by Anonymousreply 253February 13, 2016 4:24 PM

I know it's irrelevant but this stopped me dead:

[quote]I started the book about 8pm one night and called in sick the next day because I couldn't put the book down.

You called in sick to finish reading a book? Is this an example of that millennial work ethic I keep hearing about?

Anyway, I'd like to know more about Aaron Tippin too. Straight guys don't generally work out that much.

by Anonymousreply 254February 13, 2016 4:46 PM

THAT! My friends!

Is a DONG!

by Anonymousreply 255February 13, 2016 4:57 PM

"Is this an example of that millennial work ethic I keep hearing about?"

Weird that some dataloungers will use any thread as an excuse to recite talking points about millennials (the age group most likely to be pro-gay)

by Anonymousreply 256February 13, 2016 4:59 PM

More on Allison Krauss please. I love her.

by Anonymousreply 257February 13, 2016 5:26 PM

Did Alison Krauss go straight for Robert Plant? Seeing them on stage together it seems like they were fucking.

by Anonymousreply 258February 13, 2016 5:29 PM

I used to hate myself for finding Aaron Tippen HOT!

Thank you R252

by Anonymousreply 259February 14, 2016 3:03 AM

I always thought Clint Black and Roy Rogers resembled each other. My parents used to joke around that Clint must be Roy's son but I never heard any rumors that could be true.

R248 that doesn't surprise me about Garth's wife. She always gave off a hateful vibe at awards shows

I love Amy Grant and love her voice. Do you have any stories about her? I always got the feeling she had a little bit of a wild streak. Was she a Christian singer yet when you were friends with her?

Thanks for the rest of the info. All gossip is appreciated here. Ignore the hateful posters.

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by Anonymousreply 260February 14, 2016 4:34 AM

So finally we know why Clint Black has the constant smile on his face.

by Anonymousreply 261February 14, 2016 5:56 AM

Rogers and Black look positively Asian in that pic.

by Anonymousreply 262February 14, 2016 7:33 AM

What about Martina McBride?

by Anonymousreply 263February 14, 2016 12:59 PM

R189 she just sounds like a carbon copy of Ann Wilson there. She's got a great voice but I hate all her songs I could find. Trashy. Has she ever done any pretty ballads?

by Anonymousreply 264February 14, 2016 1:33 PM

Didn't Clint Black's wife, the fabulous Lisa Hartman from "Knots Landing", attempt a country music career?

by Anonymousreply 265February 14, 2016 3:23 PM

If you're looking for an insult carbon copy of Ann Wilson isn't gonna do.

by Anonymousreply 266February 14, 2016 3:31 PM

I hate Country music.

The only country music I ever slightly enjoyed was Rosanne Cash's album Seven Year Ache.

She always seemed like a really cool lady and not so "country".

by Anonymousreply 267February 14, 2016 6:25 PM

R260

Amy was the complete antithesis of "wild child".

She was never into drinking,drugs or sex in high school or college.

She wasn't all judgey either.

She was just a real sweet and assuming girl.

Her parents funded her first album.

I always felt bad that her first husband was rewarded with their home. The home was on a huge family owned farm that belonged to Amy's maternal grandmother. Chapman (IMO) had no right to that but he vindictively wanted it as opposed to Amy giving him the cash value.

by Anonymousreply 268February 14, 2016 6:37 PM

What about the Oak Ridge Boys?

by Anonymousreply 269February 14, 2016 7:19 PM

Everyone knows Dolly is a smart businesswoman, but few give her the credit of being one of the first country performers to successfully market herself as a brand. The big wigs, tight revealing outfits and sexy sassy repartee all helped to sell herself not only to country audiences but to the general public as well. Even if people only know one or two songs of hers, they still know of Dolly Parton.

by Anonymousreply 270February 14, 2016 11:55 PM

R270

I would become a business nerd fanboy so hard in Dolly's presence. Her business acumen is unparalleled.

Not so much with Madonna. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 271February 15, 2016 1:00 AM

Love Dolly but her face is busted big time after bad plastic surgeries.

by Anonymousreply 272February 15, 2016 1:05 AM

"A parade of prominent—and extremely closeted—gay Nashvillians reportedly came to Juanita’s to seek refuge from the straight world. Riley says the head of a large retail chain (“a household name”) frequently dropped by. Wilson remembers seeing a legendary country crooner make several visits to Juanita’s. Another famous name from the Grand Ole Opry, he says, would sneak in from the Ryman after showtime. " Any thoughts as to who these people would be?

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by Anonymousreply 273February 16, 2016 8:30 AM

[quote]Not so much with Madonna. Ugh.

Can someone explain to me why threads that have absolutely no connection to Madonna always end up either referencing her or becoming all about her?

What is this phenomena?

by Anonymousreply 274February 16, 2016 8:37 AM

I have been wondering if Dolly's husband. Is a real person or just bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 275February 16, 2016 8:49 AM

R273, the crooner could have been Johnny Ray. No idea about the others. I thought some of those older guys who ran the old Opry were pervs but not gay.

by Anonymousreply 276February 16, 2016 8:50 AM

He's real, R275. But by most accounts, including what she's told others, they were always best friends but strictly platonic. She wouldn't even let good friends meet him in the early days because the fear was, the gig would be up once they did. He's only been rolled out once or twice for blurry photos, like when she signed on with Sandy, to deflect when the lesbian rumors got out of control. As she became more powerful she didn't need to do this to the same extent and she learned how to control the press, pretty much as well as anyone.

by Anonymousreply 277February 16, 2016 11:57 AM

[quote]What is this phenomena?

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 278February 16, 2016 12:08 PM

"Wilson remembers seeing a legendary country crooner make several visits to Juanita’s. Another famous name from the Grand Ole Opry, he says, would sneak in from the Ryman after showtime."

legendary crooner = George Strait?

Another famous name = Randy Travis?

by Anonymousreply 279February 16, 2016 8:29 PM

Thanks for the info on Amy Grant, R268. While I'm sure she's no more perfect than the rest of us, I've always been amazed at how down to earth she has been about her success.

Even though she stuck by Chapman through some of his worst years of drug addiction, I also heard that he was very bitter about the divorce. And it was probably especially hard since it was known that Amy had fallen in love with Vince Gill. I give Amy credit for giving up the family land and the house - that must have been a tough thing to do under those circumstances.

I'm constantly amazed that if Amy's name comes up - the first thing people mention is that she's a hypocrite or that she "cheated" with Vince Gill (although I think she was open about having fallen for Vince, and I don't think anyone on the outside can know all of the details of a marriage or divorce). Oddly, no one seems to harbor any ill-will toward Vince on that score - it's like he gets a pass but Amy will forever be known as the "cheater".

by Anonymousreply 280February 16, 2016 10:25 PM

Her husband was a hot piece of queer ass when he was younger

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by Anonymousreply 281February 16, 2016 10:30 PM

Whatever happened to Alecia Elliott?

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by Anonymousreply 282February 16, 2016 10:57 PM

OK, R273, so the business mogul is pretty obviously the late Sam Walton or one of his Wal-Martian spawn.

But the singers? C'mon, throw us a bone or two!

by Anonymousreply 283February 16, 2016 11:07 PM

R280, I'll never understand why people drag Amy through the mud, yet won't say anything negative about Gary C., who was verbally/emotionally abusive while married to Amy, and was addicted to cocaine (and probably alcohol). It takes two to make a marriage work, and two to cause a marriage to fail. Gary and his fans seem to think that he alone was responsible for Amy's success, and she treated him horribly. They won't admit that he was and is an asshole hiding behind religion. It's a shame she had to give up that family land, especially to that obnoxious, bitter jerk.

by Anonymousreply 284February 17, 2016 1:05 AM

I have a story about Michelle Wright, for R141.

Back in the mid-'90s when I was in grad school at UCONN, she came to one of those damn country fairs those nutmeggers have every weekend in (I think it's) October. Well. Not only dd I love her music, but I thought she was the hottest thing I'd ever seen on an album cover, so I made it a point to go see her at that fair.

She was hotter in person than she was on the album cover, and that catsuit...need I say more? And she was signing autographs of her poster, so I bought one and got in line.

I must have looked like the ultimate star-struck lesbian, because when it was my turn, not only did she give me her autograph and pose for a photo (with me) that my gf took, but she grabbed both sides of my face and quickly kissed me on the mouth! I couldn't believe it. I was hoping she was a lesbian, but DAMN! I honestly swooned.

But that's not the best part. The following summer, I went to Ann Arbor for a UM summer program, and I got to know a few lesbians from Ypsilanti. One of them told me (this is how you know it's true, 'cause this is how we lesbians talk) that her ex's ex's ex had been Michelle Wright's gf. I didn't know at the time that Michelle Wright was Canadian, but it turns out she had been in a band that had performed in that area before she got to be famous, and people there knew her.

And I'll never forget that kiss.

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by Anonymousreply 285February 17, 2016 1:13 AM

It's not right but Amy probably gets more backlash because she originally started her career as a Christian singer and she constantly referred to living her life 'for Christ'.

If she'd been just a regular country or pop singer who divorced and remarried it would have blown over.

Vince didn't get as much backlash because he wasn't involved in that type of music.

If you paint yourself as perfect judgmental assholes will rip you when you fail.

by Anonymousreply 286February 17, 2016 1:25 AM

Amy Grant was fucking Carter Oosterhouse.

by Anonymousreply 287February 17, 2016 1:31 AM

^^^^^

When?

by Anonymousreply 288February 17, 2016 1:53 AM

R285-

That is the sweetest story I've read on this site.

You are now banished!!!

by Anonymousreply 289February 17, 2016 3:16 AM

I had no idea that Amy Grant had a Reality TV show called Three Wishes in 2005. And Carter Oosterhouse was on it. Really R287?

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by Anonymousreply 290February 17, 2016 3:53 AM

This is the Nashville guy who swore he wouldn't post on here anymore because of dismissive and rude comments. I don't know what happened to Alecia Elliot, and I wish she had been a bigger star! She had a Saturday morning tv show, and everyone thought she was going to be the next big thing. She actually recorded one my songs that was featured on the show -- and it was produced by Tony Brown and Phil Ramone, no less! -- but the show went nowhere, and her songs just didn't catch on. As I've said before, some acts click with the public, and some don't. She didn't. I don't believe she is active in the music or acting at all anymore.

by Anonymousreply 291February 17, 2016 6:29 PM

R291- What do you know about Jimmy Wayne- always thought his story screamed gay hustler - born again Christian. And what about Justin Moore- he seems like a little guy who wants to be tough but can't make it.

by Anonymousreply 292February 17, 2016 6:34 PM

Dammit. I swore that I wouldn't post on here anymore because of the assholes that are just dismissive and rude, but I can't pass up that last questions. I don't Justin Moore, although I've met him. He is polite and kind, and MUCH better looking in person. JIMMY WAYNE?!?! He should have been a bigger star. He and I were very good friends for a long time. We wrote together, hung out together, worked out together. (He at the time had the most ridiculously hot body.) And, he was straight, or so incredibly suppressed that it would never be an issue for him. He had one of the most difficult childhoods of anyone I know. Just horrible. Why he didn't end up being homeless or in prison is a testament to his will . He is kind, but he is also a liar. You can never quite tell when he is telling the truth, but I suppose that is a result of having to hustle for his entire life. And if he's a born-again christian, I didn't know that. Perhaps because he knew I don't have tolerance for religion, he never brought it up. I also think that he really might not be -- he wrote a few songs with christian themes, but I suspect that was more just to give the public what they want, and not what is really in his heart. I haven't seen him in a few years, and I wish he were still active. He is a great singer, and a phenomenal guitar player. He can also be stubborn as a motherfucker, which might have hurt him; not a lot of people could put up with it. He has an aching soul, and I think success could have been a good balm.

by Anonymousreply 293February 17, 2016 7:11 PM

Thanks for the info, r291.

by Anonymousreply 294February 17, 2016 7:13 PM

Somebody please spill about the walking sex magnet that is Kip Moore. He can't be more than 5'9", but damn does he have a sick bod and an ass you could eat breakfast off of.

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by Anonymousreply 295February 17, 2016 8:38 PM

Alecia Elliott married Rodney Fisher in 2004. They have two daughters.

by Anonymousreply 296February 17, 2016 10:19 PM

How about Jennifer Nettles? Married now with a kid I know but I'd read gossip before about college girlfriends...

by Anonymousreply 297February 17, 2016 11:47 PM

I'm going to Nashville in the summer, any suggest on what I should do? Need at least 2 good restaurants and haven't been to gay bar in forever... gay male here. I'd like to check out one or two... Preferably ones that have an earlier scene. Not 2am thanks

tia

by Anonymousreply 298February 18, 2016 12:33 AM

R298 you should try the Blakeford.

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by Anonymousreply 299February 18, 2016 12:42 AM

R298. Me again, the Nashville guy some dickhead slammed on here. I will respond to your post. I don't know if you're aware of it, but Nashville has become a foodie destination. The number and quality of restaurants that have opened here in the last few years is astounding. I don't know what you like or what you're looking for, but here's a list of some of the more noteworthy ones: Husk (southern food, very upscale, probably the best restaurant in all of Nashville.); 5th & Taylor (it's fucking beautiful. The menu changes all the time, but it's your basic upscale restaurant. One of my favorites.) City House. (one of the first good local restaurants that opened in Nashville, paving the way for others to follow. Although I don't like it at all, I am in the minority. It's heavy on pork and pasta.) Josephine (A really nice, smallish upscale casual place.) Adeles. (One of my favorites. Jonathan Waxman is the chef, he of Barbuda and Michaels in NY and Santa Monica. It's huge and noisy and a lot of people don't like it -- it can be inconsistent -- but I love it and go there all the time.) Little Octopus (very out of the way in East Nashville, but it is inventive, fresh , fusion, and out of this world. If you have a car, it's worth a trip.) Pinewood Social, (Only if you're a hipster, though. It's ultra groovy -- and I mean that in a bad way -- with a bowling alley in back that is all too hip. The food is glorified bar food, but the scene is why people go there. It is hipster paradise.) Rotiers (If you're looking for a greasy dive that has the best burger and milkshakes in town,) Arnolds. (Classic meat and three, which is Nashville's version of a diner. A You pick one meat, and three side vegetable. It is as unhealthy as can possible be.) Rolf and Daughters. (I don't love it, but, again, I'm in the minority. 5th and Taylor is around the corner, and much better.) Some I don't think are good, regardless of the press: 404 Kitchen (overrated), Sinema (the food is really quite good, but the prices are ridiculous, especially for Nashville, which is not a very expensive town.) Pancake Pantry (who the fuck wants to wait in line for PANCAKES?!?!?). Capital Grille. (Definition of meh. Overpriced, small portions, looks like a wedding banquet hall.) Loveless Cafe. (it used to be good, but now it's too aware that is a white trash diner, so the charm seems more manufactured. It's also too long a drive to make it worth it.)

As for bars? Damn, I haven't been to one in years. There is a stretch on Church Street, just behind West End Ave in Midtown that has a few, all lined up in a row -- Play, Tribe, Canvas, et al -- but I can't tell you one single thing about them. Nashville is an early town, though, so I doubt any of them are open that late, nor get their groove that late. Enjoy your visit.

by Anonymousreply 300February 18, 2016 2:03 AM

R300 - can you look at R188 and let me know if you have any info?

R215 - I split my time between NJ and Montreal. I was up there when it was announced that Patrick Bourque committed suicide. I think everyone was shocked although he left Emerson Drive with little notice. Honestly I haven't thought about Emerson Drive in a long time. With the Canadian content rules on SiriusXM you would think they would get played more.

by Anonymousreply 301February 18, 2016 3:37 AM

Dolly's husband's name is Carl Thomas Dean. May 30th of this year will be their 50th wedding anniversary. No children. He is almost never seen in public with her. He runs an asphalt paving business in Nashville. Dolly says he has only seen her perform once.

by Anonymousreply 302February 18, 2016 4:05 AM

OH NO! I actually wrote with him many times, but had no idea he died. I'm sorry to hear that. He was a kind, goofy, nice guy.

I wonder if Canadian content rules didn't apply to Emerson Drive, because they co wrote mostly with Americans, were managed by Americans, and recorded here, as well. So maybe their albums didn't comply?

As far as Yoakum, no I know absolutely nothing. He was never considered a Nashville artist. He never spent time here, nor, I believe, did he even record here.

by Anonymousreply 303February 18, 2016 4:07 AM

R303, is Nashville hot chicken worth the hype?

by Anonymousreply 304February 18, 2016 4:10 AM

Whoops -- I meant R300

by Anonymousreply 305February 18, 2016 4:11 AM

I can't believe it is getting attention outside of Nashville. Just add Frank's Hot Sauce to any chicken, and there you have it. The answer: no. It's all hype, and bragging rights about eating something so hot.

by Anonymousreply 306February 18, 2016 4:12 AM

Have there been any country singers who lived normal, unremarkable lives?

by Anonymousreply 307February 18, 2016 4:27 AM

R300 - was David Schnaufer gay? All I know was he was an amazing dulcimer player. I remember seeing the Cactus Brothers video for Fishers Hornpipe, and was in lust with David and Tramp. David's been dead about 10 years now. in the early 90s I had a job where I could listen to Katie Haas and Al do the morning show on TNN. They showed the video one morning and I was blown away.

by Anonymousreply 308February 18, 2016 4:41 AM

Kelly Clarkson's husband, does he run around on her?

by Anonymousreply 309February 18, 2016 4:41 AM

Hey Nashville guy, I had posted a question about Chris Cagle, had hoped you'd reply. He's retired from the biz... when i first saw him in videos i thought he was incredibly good looking. I also thought he was gay. A number of years ago his personal life seemed to implode, but he's now married with kids... and inside information?

by Anonymousreply 310February 18, 2016 9:06 AM

More Dolly please!

And good to have you back, Nashville guy. Haters gonna hate. But the rest of us are loving your work.

by Anonymousreply 311February 18, 2016 9:18 AM

What does Crystal Gayle think about today's country music?

by Anonymousreply 312February 18, 2016 2:01 PM

Thank you r300. I'm going to check out Husk per your suggestion. And at least one of your other suggestions.

Will probably head over and check out a couple of those bars too!

It's a few months away but I'm already excited!

by Anonymousreply 313February 18, 2016 2:31 PM

It makes my brown eyes blue.

by Anonymousreply 314February 18, 2016 8:13 PM

Does anyone think that Shania Twain was a great country artist in the 1990's even though she was from Timmins, Canada?

by Anonymousreply 315February 18, 2016 8:58 PM

Waylon called her " an expensive lap dance"

by Anonymousreply 316February 18, 2016 9:09 PM

Waylon called Shania that, R316?

It's a little hard to be sure who you mean.

by Anonymousreply 317February 18, 2016 9:12 PM

I believe Alan Jackson and Toby Keith thought the same when it came to Shania Twain as well.

by Anonymousreply 318February 18, 2016 10:32 PM

They were probably just jealous of Twain's massive success.

by Anonymousreply 319February 18, 2016 10:33 PM

Why did the Dixie Chicks just give up? Do the other two hate Natalie for ruining their careers? Their story, or lack of it, fascinates me.

by Anonymousreply 320February 18, 2016 10:39 PM

[R308] David Schnaufer was a sweet guy. I knew several members of the Cactus Brothers, but never heard anything about David being gay.

Tramp is well. He's a coal miner in Kentucky, and still plays the fiddle. He's aged quite well.

by Anonymousreply 321February 18, 2016 10:47 PM

No gossip about Kelly Clarkson and her husband?

by Anonymousreply 322February 19, 2016 4:37 AM

I wished that Mindy McCready would have found peace three years ago instead of committing suicide.

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by Anonymousreply 323February 19, 2016 2:02 PM

r315: She didn't impress me much.

by Anonymousreply 324February 19, 2016 2:12 PM

Has Faith Hill retired from the business?

by Anonymousreply 325February 19, 2016 9:00 PM

I really enjoyed Mindy's music. I don't think it was high art but I enjoyed. Especially Guys Do it all the Time.

by Anonymousreply 326February 19, 2016 10:27 PM

Good God, Chris Cagle was hot to death.

I never heard any rumors.

by Anonymousreply 327February 19, 2016 11:57 PM

Chris Cagle announced late last year that he was retiring from the music business.

He was arrested a few years ago for DWI and for assaulting a fan and beating up his girlfriend before that.

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by Anonymousreply 328February 20, 2016 12:20 AM

He's retiring and staying at home? Does he have a sugar mama?

by Anonymousreply 329February 20, 2016 1:05 AM

I also would like to hear about Kelly Clarkson and her husband, he looks gay. Poor thing her little girl is homely like her husband.

by Anonymousreply 330February 20, 2016 3:08 AM

The rumors about Kelly's husband are that he cheats on her with women. Never head that he was gay.

by Anonymousreply 331February 20, 2016 2:54 PM

What about Darius Rucker? Is he well liked in Nashville?

by Anonymousreply 332February 20, 2016 6:02 PM

R332

Darius is well liked but is sort of an outsider because he doesn't like there.

He and his family live in Charleston.

by Anonymousreply 333February 20, 2016 7:17 PM

Thanks for the info, r333.

by Anonymousreply 334February 20, 2016 8:38 PM

FoaF of Rucker, and he is well-liked.

by Anonymousreply 335February 21, 2016 12:11 AM

Why didn't country music fully embrace Debby Boone?

by Anonymousreply 336February 21, 2016 12:13 AM

Because her father was A GREAT BIG FREAK-A-ZOID, even by C & W standards!

by Anonymousreply 337February 21, 2016 1:02 AM

Dolly's got at least one gay sibling. A friend of mine and her GF would go to Dollywood and hang out with one of Dolly's sisters and her GF. Her sister never outed her to my friends.

by Anonymousreply 338February 21, 2016 1:40 AM

Her sister, Freida, has lived pretty openly with a woman, R338. I think she is bisexual as opposed to gay.

Some of her other siblings have outed Dolly as a lesbian though, to various people over the years.

by Anonymousreply 339February 21, 2016 7:58 AM

Love this thread.

by Anonymousreply 340February 22, 2016 2:23 AM

Mr Nashville guy - anything on Jennifer Nettles/Sugarland?

by Anonymousreply 341February 24, 2016 7:04 PM

NashvilleGuy, a million thanks for your gossip. I grew up on C&W but my God, what's marketed today as Country music sucks ass. Glad you wrote previously.

What is your perspective on the genre's nosedive? Are the execs just going for the short-term bucks? Different target market?

I'm sincerely shocked at how bad it is these days--badly warmed-over Southern Rock. The lyrics are so self-referential--have to include "boots," "truck" or "sweet tea" rather than painting a real story. So lazy.

Which brings me to the vocalists--WTH?? Who decides who gets production or AirPlay? Yikes. Awful.

Finally, who do you think are the real deal right now?

Thanks again for your insights, and contributions you've made over the years.

by Anonymousreply 342February 24, 2016 8:21 PM

R342, you're spot on. I remember the great "story" songs (for me, mostly by female singers in the 90s). I miss those ladies and their voices -- Patty Loveless, Kathy Mattea, Trisha Yearwood, Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Pam Tillis, and Suzy Bogguss were among my faves, as well as the classics -- Dolly, Loretta and Tammy -- and of course Patsy. Was never a manic Reba fan, but I like some of her music. And Matraca Berg -- it was a shame she didn't get more recognition and success as a singer (but what an awesome songwriter). As a result of their departure from mainstream radio -- as well as the male singers I liked (George, Garth, Clint, etc.), I haven't listened to country music in years.

by Anonymousreply 343February 25, 2016 4:58 AM

The Nashville Guy is my new favorite poster.

by Anonymousreply 344February 25, 2016 5:14 AM

I've always had a love-hate thing for Reba McEntire. Loved a lot of her music in the 80s and 90s but I remember she gave a very Barbara Bush response to a question about gay rights once. It was the early 90s and there was a boycott of Colorado tourism due to an anti-gay amendment the state had passed. McEntire was on a ski holiday there and asked about the controversy. Her response was basically, "Well it doesn't affect me at all so I don't see why I should ruin my vacation." I know she's made gay supportive statements in years since but that one still sticks in my craw.

by Anonymousreply 345February 25, 2016 6:02 AM

I've never been a fan of Country but I've always thought Vince Gill had such a pure voice.

I'm surprised he's been pushed aside and replaced by far inferior hacks,

He always seemed like a sweet guy so it pisses me off that his longstanding gig of hosting the CMAs was taken over by the team of Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood.

They seem so smarmy and her bitchiness is undeniable.

I've never liked Paisley ever since Chelly Wright wrote about his homophobic comment to her.

by Anonymousreply 346February 25, 2016 6:18 AM

Nashville guy here again. I swore I wouldn't post again -- I fucking hate the flamers who just criticize for no reason. I, too miss the country of the 80's and 90's, when there was real poetry and beauty in the songs. Gary Allan has a great quote: country music used to be about what happened during the week, but now it's about what happens on the weekend. That's brilliant. I no longer write it or listen to it, because I don't like what it's become. I'm not a redneck. I'm not from the south originally. And i don't want to celebrate the redneck, rural culture that the genre seems hellbent on celebrating. I don't want to know those people who sing about trucks and backwoods roads, etc. It's insipid, and preys upon the same "things used to be great but now they suck" sentiment that someone like a Trump preys on. I think the whole thing started with Luke Bryan. I've know him for years -- we wrote together, were at the same publishing company for a while, and , I'm convinced, he even stole a song of mine and rewrote it slightly and it became a big hit for him. He is a reasonably intelligent, decent guy, and not that party frat boy he is presented as. He and his manager -- and his publisher at the time, to some degree -- saw a niche , and filled it. Others saw how successful it was, and followed suit. And now everything has been dumbed down. I don't like it, but I can't argue against it. I think every generation thinks the music that follows what they grew up with is inferior to what they love. And they're partly right. Music continually gets dumbed down. Another thing that's happening right now is that, because of streaming and downloading, songwriters just don't make the money they used to me. You used to be able to make a living at it, but you can't any more; very very few can support themselves on royalties. So, a lot of people who are smarter and able to do something different are no longer songwriters. They can't afford to be. What's happening now is songs are being written more often just by the artist, or with the artist's friends, or guitar players, etc, and the previous generation of songwriters just isn't there anymore. The sad thing is, it doesn't seem to matter: country music is more popular now than it ever was. I think that's partly because hip hop rules top 40 radio, so people who don't care for that are finding themselves listening to country. I don't think it's any grand scheme on radio or label exec's part: they're just giving people what they want to hear. And some other random answers: Reba might have made some anti gay comments in the past, but she is a good person, and I think we should all be allowed to evolve. She's probably still right of center, but she is a kind, considerate, generous person. (Just a or instance: a friend of mine is in her band, and, when her tv show was still taping, she flew the whole band and their family to a taping, and an all expense paid weekend in LA. She is thoughtful an generous. So, no, she's not the most liberal person on earth, but, for crying out loud, she's from OK and she's older. I wouldn't expect her to be a flaming lib.) Jennifer Nettles. She doesn't spend any time here at all, so there aren't many stories. She is, however, outspokenly liberal, and I give her credit for that. As far as Gill being pushed aside ? Well, he had one hell of a run. A tv show has to pull in as many viewers as they can, so I don't begrudge them for going with someone more current. Paisley is a decent guy. Underwood is fucking, unfriendly, cold bitch.

by Anonymousreply 347February 25, 2016 7:49 PM

How many times are you going to promise not to post again? Why is someone who called you out upthread a flamer? Did you have a breakdown in Nashville? You write very much like the Herb Ross Troll. If your past experiences with celebrity are not revered and fawned over (even though most of them were tangential) y'all drop your quaint writing style and start calling people cunts and flamers.

Get a Grip Girl @ R347. Nashville is a creative spot, but is still a nasty provincial town. Did you leave or are you still in the closet?

by Anonymousreply 348February 25, 2016 9:46 PM

To answer your questions, 348. I still live here, although I might end up leaving soon, or I might stay. Nashville is not all about the music industry, and it is an easy, comfortable place to live, so...I might stay for a while. No, did not have a breakdown, thank you very much. I just stopped enjoying the music that was being produced, and didn't want to do it any more. It's that simple. And I called the flamer a flamer because he was insulting and needlessly rude. If people are posting their stories and anecdotes on here, I see no reason to be mean-spirited. Mean-spirit is something I don't tolerate in real life or on here. There's just never eve reason to be that critical of someone, especially someone you don't even know. And am I still in the closet? I'm not sure I ever was. I would never deny it, but I also didn't broadcast it to people I only new casually, because I knew that is all they would see and think about, and I didn't want to be thought of as a stereotype. I also knew that if a producer were deciding between my song and someone else's, I didn't want his views of my sexuality to enter into the equation, and I'm sure it did, many times. And, yes, it bothered me tremendously to not be completely honest and open about it, and, now that I'm not writing anymore, I'm much more open. I haven't read any of the Herbert Ross posts, so I can't comment on the writing similarity. And I've never called anyone a cunt, and I only called one person a flamer, and just once. There might be some posts on here that you think I am responsible for. And I don't expect to be fawned over and revered. Someone asks a question about something I might know something about it, so I feel compelled to answer it.

by Anonymousreply 349February 25, 2016 10:13 PM

R349 says & I quote "Mean-spirit is something I don't tolerate in real life or on here."

Yet he calls known homophobe Brad Paisley "a decent guy".

R349 is a long winded hypocrite with issues.

by Anonymousreply 350February 25, 2016 10:24 PM

I appreciate your response R349. Thanks. I can't say much more without being disrespectful. Thanks for sharing your impressions and experiences on this thread. Try not to be so touchy. Skeletons in every closet.

by Anonymousreply 351February 25, 2016 10:40 PM

Nashville Guy an info on Kelly Clarkson and her marriage? She has been going country.

by Anonymousreply 352February 25, 2016 10:53 PM

Is it true that Rosanne Cash is a big bitch?

by Anonymousreply 353February 25, 2016 10:58 PM

So does Marty Stuart indeed have a womanly ass?

by Anonymousreply 354February 25, 2016 11:06 PM

stop being ass to the Nashville guy. I thought we've learned that lesson on here already. Grown up.

by Anonymousreply 355February 25, 2016 11:45 PM

Mr Nashville, I'm looking forward to you answering the 'real deal' question, among others.

by Anonymousreply 356February 25, 2016 11:51 PM

Any info on Timberlake?

by Anonymousreply 357February 25, 2016 11:52 PM

R347

That Gary Allan quote is true.

"Watching Airplanes" is a fave of mine.

by Anonymousreply 358February 25, 2016 11:54 PM

I have been listening to country music since I was 4 years old ( 50 now). Back then and up until the early the early 2000's country music-at various points-was a unique and beautiful genre. It was American storytelling at it's finest. And it combined so many cultures: Irish, Scottish, Black, Hispanic. But video killed the radio star. The new generation of listeners were more more visual and stupid. They were also more middle class; safer and secure in the cul-de-sac. They had no real life experience so they were attracted to the obvious things of country music. They also loved beautiful shiny objects. Video started that. Luke Bryan may be great many things but ugly he ain't. It didn't matter if you could sing or put words together in a great way. You needed to look good, act your part, and country radio rewarded you with hits. And of course then everything was a party. When you are young and dumb all you want to do is party. Now country music is a child that won't grow up. And even though some return to their roots it will never be the same. It has been damaged beyond true repair.

by Anonymousreply 359February 26, 2016 8:56 PM

Nashville guy, did you ever work with Kim Carnes? She moved to Nashville in the 90s and has written and recorded for a lot of country stars.

by Anonymousreply 360February 26, 2016 9:58 PM

Does Taylor Swift's camp have an exit strategy from the "awe shucks, I'm so shocked I won another award. I'm just a dorky young girl like you." branding/image or is she planning to play perpetually 17 forever?

by Anonymousreply 361March 3, 2016 5:39 AM

Q: What do you think of today's country music?

Emmylou Harris: I don't have time to listen to today's country music.

Tres diplomatic, and almost as good as the Gary Allan quote (God, that guy is a stud!)

by Anonymousreply 362March 3, 2016 6:00 AM

R362 - I love Emmylou, but her quote is a bit snarky. Not all current country music is bad. Certainly the country rock genre has changed significantly since Gram Parsons started recording 45 years ago. Emmylou was on the verge of breaking big time in the early 80s with her Hot Band. Right around the time of Last Date, she had problems (polyps?), and had to completely change her singing style and musically direction. She went in the direction of Trio but also did the bluegrass stuff with the Nash Ramblers. Maybe she feels that Gram's vision was never realized. Who knows. Don't blame the whole country genre because no one is playing music of the 60s/70s.

Country music, like rock and top 40, is all about trying to sell more while breaking in new performers. No one cares about the old acts. You are considered to have a shelf life of 2 to 3 CDs. There are a lot of great musicians without contracts. There are also a lot of people who have long term contracts that you wonder why do they still record. For example, no one goes to see ZZ Top to hear new songs. You go to hear I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide, Legs, and other hits. Clint Black realizes this and probably 99% of his show features old hits. If anything his shows have become more relaxed letting Hayden and Clint play more guitar.

by Anonymousreply 363March 3, 2016 11:52 AM

The only thing I liked about country music was the storytelling aspect of the lyrics. The lyrics were far superior to those of rock music which I usually listen to. But the storytelling style seems to have dried up and blown away. Modern pop music of all genres seems completely empty to me.

by Anonymousreply 364March 3, 2016 6:37 PM

Is Janie Frickie a dyke? I remember vaguely that I like one of her songs when I was a kid. I thought she was barely a blip in the country music history. Then I researched on the internet. That gal had a great run. I had know idea? She looks like a lesbian Blanche.

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by Anonymousreply 365March 3, 2016 6:40 PM

[quote] Country music, like rock and top 40, is all about trying to sell more while breaking in new performers. No one cares about the old acts. You are considered to have a shelf life of 2 to 3 CDs.

I never understood this. If an act is still selling and having hit singles why do they suddenly seem to just drop off the face of the earth? Why do the record companies abandon the support? The very exceptions to this are George Strait and Reba who managed to keep being relevant on the charts for decades.

by Anonymousreply 366March 3, 2016 6:46 PM

Tim McGraw is a d-bag. Back in 2009, I went with my sister and baby niece to her work picnic at County Thunder (WI). Someone random lady had a VIP pass and took us to watch a singer from the side stage. During the set, Tim's RV pulled up. One of his guys walked over to us and told us not to speak or make eye contact with Tim. We all rolled our eyes. As we walked back to the picnic I yelled, "later Mrs. Faith Hill".

by Anonymousreply 367March 3, 2016 7:00 PM

R367. I've worked at enough concerts and been backstage enough to know that what a singer's advance teem requests -- no eye contact, etc -- is not being asked at the request of the singer. Sometimes, singer's crews go overboard and start asking for things that the singer has no idea is being asked. I was once working a concert for Donna Summer, and her list of demands was beyond the pale. We were all hating her before she even stepped foot in to the theater, but, when she got there, she was lovely. And, when we told her what we had done in response to her crew's request, she had no idea that most of what we did was even asked for. So...never assume that the performer knows what their crew is requesting. And -- that is not McGraw's style at all. You see him all around town here, with his girls at the movies, etc, and he is very approachable.

by Anonymousreply 368March 4, 2016 9:55 PM

[quote]No one cares about the old acts.

And yet last year, for the first time in history, "old" music outsold new.

Nashville guy, what kind of work do you today? Still writing in some capacity, or something completely different?

by Anonymousreply 369March 5, 2016 2:25 PM

R366 - blame the A&R culture at the labels. They are essentially commissioned sales agents. You can make more commission from new unknown artists who will have contracts beneficial to the label rather than the artist.

R369 - the labels don't necessarily care about older artists. The majority of fans don't either although some acts like Kenny Chesney and Jason Aldean still sell a lot of tickets. The trend to track the decline of a career is concert venues which seem to transition from football stadiums, arenas, county fairs, regional theaters, and much smaller venues.

by Anonymousreply 370March 5, 2016 3:35 PM

Older acts might still get on the radio because people like to hear what they're familiar with, but they don't sell records. Labels don't make a penny from airplay; they only make it from record sales, and, in very rare cases, a percentage of concert grosses.

by Anonymousreply 371March 5, 2016 6:36 PM

[quote]Older acts might still get on the radio because people like to hear what they're familiar with, but they don't sell records.

Again, old "records" sold better than new ones last year.

by Anonymousreply 372March 5, 2016 7:20 PM

I have to say that it use to be that the country industry always shifted to being more modern , but respectful for the past. The new country only knows the past when they clumsily name drop them in their songs. These new singers are picked for looks, and then some attractive talent and then marketability. No link to the past. This is the first generation who are so uncivil with their Orpy membership. Country isn't evolving as a sound anymore. It has become a place to just stay young. That people are no longer adults. They are your frat buddy- you're all about the weekend guy. They don't sell adult feelings anymore. One of the reasons women have had a hard time in country is because women don't tend to support female acts in the same way they will a guy. And female singers of any talent are more mature in their song choices. That is why we have a Taylor Swift - one of the few female singers that was talking about young things. And men don't buy female artists. It is the only part of the industry that is fueled by mainly women. And now they are marketing to us - meaning gays. We are an added unforeseen market. They like their gay fan's money. I doubt if Merle or Roger Miller or Glen Campbell cared about the gay buyers. But now we are courted.

by Anonymousreply 373March 6, 2016 4:14 PM

R373 - are you or were you in the industry? Your comments are spot on. And you're right about the current crop of singers and listeners knowing nothing about their forbears, other than knowing which name to drop. I would love to ask all these douchebags with Cash or Waylon or Merle t shirts to name a single song of theirs. It's all a pose.

by Anonymousreply 374March 6, 2016 9:54 PM

No R374-I have been in love with country since I was four. The first song I could sing completely was "King of the Road". So I have been watching something I love destroyed by vain, greedy corporate types who don't see the beauty in it but see dollars.

by Anonymousreply 375March 6, 2016 11:14 PM

Ha! Me, too r375. That song really said something the little tiny me. And it was amazing that something like that could lead to a career like Miller's, when he had his own tv show, etc. Same with Cash, who also had his own show for a while. They didn't need to compromise their vision or integrity in order to achieve mainstream success, but that doesn't happen with today's country, who aim their music to the lowest common denominator. I think the last great true country song is probably "Paint Me a Birmingham," which is just a beautifully-written classic country song. You just don't hear that anymore. I understand that genres evolve and change, and today's generation is more than happy with today's country, but I do wish there were a market for more intelligible and thoughtful songs.

by Anonymousreply 376March 6, 2016 11:41 PM

Today's episode of "Trisha's Kitchen" featured Trisha Yearwood's good friend Reba McEntire. Reba accompanied Trisha to the latter's exhibit at the Country Music Hall of Fame and then the two women cooked at meatloaf and brussels sprouts in Trisha's kitchen.

by Anonymousreply 377March 7, 2016 12:50 AM

R376

Most acts think "...rooms to let, fifty cents..." Is gibberish today.

Watching The Band Perry perform is always a treat.

I've been listening to "Mr Misunderstood" this week, and fallen back in love with Eric Church.

by Anonymousreply 378March 7, 2016 2:17 AM

Eric Church is a first class ass who completely screwed and backstabbed a friend of mine. I won't tell you the details, because it would be obvious who my friend is and who I am -- to those who are in Nashville, that is -- but i can't listen to Church any more. His ethics are questionable. Put on a difference cd, r378.

by Anonymousreply 379March 7, 2016 2:39 AM

As as bars go in Nashville: Tribe, go after 10:30 on Friday and Saturday Show tunes around 6:00 on Sunday Big Happy Hour on Wednesday Play, Drag Bar... Not sure , but earlyish Play, the Dance Bar, not before midnight Canvas, guessing after 10:00 The other bars, not sure, but the above bars are the main bars in Nashville

by Anonymousreply 380March 7, 2016 2:55 AM

Yikes! Don't sugar-coat it, Nashville Guy at R379!

by Anonymousreply 381March 7, 2016 3:10 AM

Hey Nashville guy are you Shawn Camp?

by Anonymousreply 382March 7, 2016 3:36 AM

I know first hand angle about Dolly ---there is a sole animal shelter in Pigeon Forge/Sevierville where Dolly is from and has her Dollywood empire ---anyway this animal shelter is a real dump and it's really sad . Ands it's right in her backyard so -to-speak . And the poor overrun shelter been trying to raise money for a new reliable transportation vehicle for the animals to go to the vet and events , and also trying to raise money for a new building for years and years and Dolly has never donated to the shelter . I was told by local staff there that just education is her thing and literacy causes ..., she never gives any money to the animals. I personally lost respect for her when I was told that . And of course you've heard that she is secretly covered in tattoos . Did you see that TV special on her childhood recently ? It pretty much showed between the lines what her intense relationship is to Judy.

Garth Brooks --the lady who colors my hair is from the same small town as Garth . She said he was known in the small town to be quite the cheater on his original wife .

Amy Grant --a friend of mine photographed Amy and her boys for a Christmas session . He said she was extremely nice and down to earth .

Vince Gill--I've eaten next to him twice at Pancake Pantry in Nashville . He is super low key and easy going .

by Anonymousreply 383March 7, 2016 3:43 AM

I've spent some time with Judy and Dolly, and it's hard to tell if they're lovers, or if Judy's doting and touching and watching over Dolly is more because she realizes that's where her bread is buttered and Dolly is the star that needs to be catered to. I don't know. Dolly seemed, not necessarily dismissive to Judy, but most of the attention was from Judy to Dolly. My guess is that they are, indeed, lovers, but I didn't see anything concrete.

by Anonymousreply 384March 7, 2016 4:28 AM

Let's talk more about pocket gay Hunter Hayes!

by Anonymousreply 385March 7, 2016 5:10 AM

[quote](Dolly) never gives any money to the animals. I personally lost respect for her when I was told that .

How dare she have different charitable interests than you do!

by Anonymousreply 386March 7, 2016 2:03 PM

R383, how much have you donated to the animal shelter? Do you volunteer to exercise the animals or clean the cages? Please tell us.

by Anonymousreply 387March 7, 2016 10:27 PM

R379-

I've been accused of screwing people before, and it's ugly and sometimes jealousy driven.

Unfortunately, I don't doubt your story. Church seemed to be a good guy, passionate about his music, but getting to that level probably required compromises.

by Anonymousreply 388March 7, 2016 11:23 PM

R383-

Given her circumstances, and the choice between education of children and helping animals, she chooses the former. A dollar spent helping animals means a dollar NOT spent helping children. People have different values, and any time or money spent on one cause cannot be spent on another. Basic economics.

Personally, I refuse to support the no kill shelter in my town.

My personal opinion- while I'm here I will help people as I see fit. When I die 90% of it goes to spay and neuter pets.

by Anonymousreply 389March 7, 2016 11:32 PM

R385 what makes you think he is gay? I just see him as a teen idol.

by Anonymousreply 390March 7, 2016 11:33 PM

Not all "teen idols" are totally flaming

by Anonymousreply 391March 8, 2016 12:13 AM

Was there any jealousy between Crystal Gayle and Loretta Lynn? I know they are sisters.

by Anonymousreply 392March 10, 2016 5:04 PM

Crystal had longer hair.

by Anonymousreply 393March 10, 2016 5:40 PM

Fair enough, r393.

by Anonymousreply 394March 10, 2016 6:10 PM

WEHT Rebecca Lynn Howard..loved her -

ps - Billy Currington must be short..that mug shot says 63 inches - so 5' 3?? - any stories of him and his big cock?

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by Anonymousreply 395March 11, 2016 11:59 PM

WEHT Deana Carter?

by Anonymousreply 396March 12, 2016 12:00 AM

Aaron Tippin is still fucking hot and still has that buldge....

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by Anonymousreply 397March 12, 2016 12:35 AM

[quote] ps - Billy Currington must be short..that mug shot says 63 inches - so 5' 3?? - any stories of him and his big cock?

Various sites on the internet have him as being 5'9", bit of difference from the mug shot, and having seen him in person I'd say his height is closer to the former. On a different note, George Strait is about 5'10" although he always appears to be short in photos, etc.

by Anonymousreply 398March 12, 2016 1:00 AM

Any dirt on Big & Rich?

by Anonymousreply 399March 12, 2016 1:03 AM

One is Big and the other is Rich

*rimshot*

by Anonymousreply 400March 12, 2016 2:04 AM

^ One is Big and the other is a homophobic prick.

by Anonymousreply 401March 12, 2016 12:09 PM

R396

Last I heard of Deana Carter was that she had an affair with the previous coach of the Tennessee Titans.

His name was Jeff Fisher. It broke up his marriage.

Rumors went around that he fathered her kid but I don't know if that part's true or not.

by Anonymousreply 402March 12, 2016 7:50 PM

Well, even if Deana Carter is a homewrecking whore, I love "Strawberry Wine."

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by Anonymousreply 403March 12, 2016 7:54 PM

Read about you in a Faulkner novel

Met you once in a Williams' play

Heard about you in a country love song

Summer night beauty took my breath away

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by Anonymousreply 404March 12, 2016 8:03 PM

I don't follow country music but I watch PBS American Masters this week.

Loretta Lynn was the subject. What an absolutely delightful woman she appears to be.

It was a very interesting and entertaining profile.

by Anonymousreply 405March 12, 2016 8:12 PM

I loved Pam Tillis. She guest judged on RuPaul's Drag Race, as did Wynonna, Tanya Tucker and Leanne Rhymes. Not everyone in country music is a bigot. Now come through to Faith, Reba and Dolly. You know they want to, ha.

Leanne has one of the best voices around. Whatever happened to her career?

by Anonymousreply 406March 12, 2016 8:14 PM

When LeAnn first hit it big, I was at a convention in Dallas and met her mom in the revolving nightclub in the Reunion Tower. She was drunk as fuck and kept hollering at the DJ to play "How Do I Live?" I got drunk too and we ended up dancing.

by Anonymousreply 407March 12, 2016 8:20 PM

Well yes R407. I am damned embarrassed that I spelled LeAnn Rimes name wrong both ways, but here is my question. Does she have a drug and alcohol problem? I know her career took a big hit for the big cheating scandal, so shocking to the good christians of country music. Still, she has been rumored to be a bit erratic. Witness this performance of the Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah. Her voice is gorgeous and fluid and heartfelt, but she is not quite in control. Looks a mess. I credit her for including some of the darker verses though. I am NOT a fan of her country music, but I am a big fan of her voice. She should have had greater success in pop music.

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by Anonymousreply 408March 12, 2016 8:45 PM

Leann can sing, but these days she is more known for being a famewhore than for being a singer

by Anonymousreply 409March 13, 2016 12:11 AM

R408

Jeff Buckley is still the definitive version for me (I literally sobbed when I found out he was dead) but that was a mostly good and in spots amazing version. Yes, I cried. Again. Her tremulous/powerful octave jump was chillingly good.

by Anonymousreply 410March 13, 2016 12:44 AM

George Strait. Usually seen in stage drag (Wranglers, cowboy hat, etc) that it's a bit strange to see him out of it. usually wears just sweatpants and polo/tee in private. Always wore a hat when performing, some people thought he may be bald/ing but actually has a nice head of hair. Keeps fit by working on his ranch and also a home gym which he would hit frequently before going on tour. Not as right wing as might be thought, but was never political in his music.

by Anonymousreply 411March 13, 2016 7:24 PM

Did anyone watch Loretta Lynn on " American Masters"- she was great. And so is her new recording" Full Circle"

by Anonymousreply 412March 24, 2016 11:24 PM

R412

I mentioned upthread about Loretta's American Masters.

I'm not a country fan but Loretta was delightful.

One of her daughters was a dead ringer for Jennifer Nettles.

by Anonymousreply 413March 25, 2016 1:52 AM

Kim Carnes?

by Anonymousreply 414March 31, 2016 8:51 PM

Charley Pride?

by Anonymousreply 415April 2, 2016 11:26 PM

Is Wynona still fat?

by Anonymousreply 416April 2, 2016 11:38 PM

LeAnne's voice is fantastic but she was too famous too young and must have had horrid parents. Clearly she is needy, insecure, narcissistic and will do almost anything to stay famous.

by Anonymousreply 417April 3, 2016 1:22 AM

You have to be republican to get the support of the industry, see dixie chick. If you vocalize your real republican worldviews, you lose your mass appeal, see Kelley Clarkson and Hilary duff.

by Anonymousreply 418April 3, 2016 1:37 AM

yes r416 I just saw her interviewed

by Anonymousreply 419April 3, 2016 1:45 AM

RE Billy Currington. I used to write with him, and we used to work out at the same gym. He's short. I would guess that he is 5'8 or maybe even shorter. I never saw his dick , but I've seen him shirtless and in shorts, and he has an incredible body. He's not very smart, and I don't think he's the most honest guy in the room, but he does have a wonderful voice. I don't know if he's gay. I got a vibe from him, but it's hard to know when a performer is flirting with you, or just trying to get as much attention as he can. He doesn't live in Nashville anymore, but when he was, I would see him out with these girls who were super slutty looking. They would be dressed like they just came from a porno shoot or something. He and the girls were always super sexual, but maybe he's the kind of guy who just loves to have sex?

As far as Rebecca Lynn Howard. The label wanted her to sing commercial songs, but she wanted to sing more hardcore country and bluegrass. She ended up getting dropped from the major label -- I forget which one she was on -- and picked up by an indie. Steve Fishell produced some bluegrass stuff on her, but none of it was commercially successful, and she just faded away. She is probably singing demos at this point.

I've seen it time and again, when singers have some success, then fight their labels on what to sing. The labels always want more commercial songs, while the singers want songs with, they say, more integrity. The label always wins. If the act isn't cooperative , they lose radio play, and get dropped. It's that simple. I've seen so many artists get stubborn and lose whatever momentum they have because they won't record what the label wants them to. The only artist Ive seen listen to her label and start recording more commercial songs is Sara Evans. Her career was going nowhere fast, and she realized she would be dropped if she didn't have a big hit. She bit the bullet and recorded a very commercial album. Although her career has cooled a lot lately, she was able to have many years of success because she realized what had to be done, and did it. I wish more talented singers would follow her lead.

by Anonymousreply 420April 3, 2016 3:02 AM

Billy Currington best mugshot ever.

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by Anonymousreply 421April 3, 2016 3:20 AM

RE George Strait. NO WAY is he 5'10. I've stood next to him several times. I would say he's 5'8. He's also not nearly as handsome in person as he is in photos. DOn't get me wrong, he's a good looking guy, but he looks incredibly hot in photos. The camera loves him, and his country drag presents a good image. He's still handsome, but nothing like the photos.

Also -- liberal vs conservative. Conservative values are rewarded. Liberal values are not. Toby Keith, who sings the most inane patriotic shit, but he's a Democrat. He knew what would sell, and it did.

by Anonymousreply 422April 3, 2016 3:49 AM

I always assumed that Billy Currington and Jimmy Wayne were molested as children. Currington's behavior- including his arrest- signal a mental instability. He also use to have this My Space account that use to have a few pictures of a guy who was a member of his crew for but got special attention.

by Anonymousreply 423April 3, 2016 2:21 PM

What did the Nashville community thought of George Straitt appearing in a movie with Lesley-Ann Warren in the 1990's?

by Anonymousreply 424April 3, 2016 2:26 PM

Same guy here. I know Jimmy Wayne very well, or at least I used to. I haven't seen him in a few years, but we used to hang out a lot, and used to write a lot. He is one strange duck. He's had one of the hardest upbringings you can imagine. Just awful, like not even having a car to live in kind of awful; one step above homelessness. I also got the feeling that he might have been molested, too, or maybe hustled for money before he made money from writing and performing. He knew I was gay -- unlike Currington, whom I was never that open with -- and was fine about it. He is definitely tortured about something, though, but he works harder than anyone I know. I wish he had a bigger career than he did. He deserved it. (By the way, his body was ridiculous. He never flaunted it the way some like Currington and Chesney do, but he was way more muscular than they are.)

by Anonymousreply 425April 3, 2016 4:07 PM

All three men, R425, are in their early or late forties and not married. Currington- from his My Space photos-has the saddest eyes and likes to get hammered. Wayne's sorrow was in his voice. And Chesney , as we learned, is not gay but a redneck fame whore who treats woman like cocktails and flirting like a stick in love with its carrot. But they were all molested. I have represented -as a lawyer- many molested men. They are molested in different ways, but always insecure about their manliness which manifest itself in different ways.

by Anonymousreply 426April 3, 2016 9:33 PM

Holy shit!!!! I always thought Currington had the look and problems of a sexual abuse victim but I didn't want to type it . I didn't want to get attacked.....Wow....

by Anonymousreply 427April 3, 2016 9:41 PM

Currington's song "Walk a Little Straighter" is about his tough upbringing.

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by Anonymousreply 428April 3, 2016 11:44 PM

I know this is datalounge but it seems pretty irresponsible to be making assumptions about people being molested as kids.

by Anonymousreply 429April 3, 2016 11:50 PM

I'm not sure how being troubled makes someone an abuse victim. I've known victims who were average, decent people and people who were never abused but are fucked up anyway.

by Anonymousreply 430April 3, 2016 11:55 PM

R429 there is no shame in being molested. The person who is molested shares no guilt or conspiracy. It is a violation against person. It is not irresponsible to state what you perceive. Only a person who sees the victim as damaged goods in some way would be bothered by it. And there is more sexual molestation, human trafficking, and daily incest going on in America than we will ever admit.

by Anonymousreply 431April 4, 2016 12:07 AM

Wow, just read about Billy's 2013 arrest for making terroristic threats to the elderly captain of a ship. He could've gotten 5 years in prison, but he ended up with a fine and 5 years probation, and he was ordered to have no contact with the elderly man. He's so soft-spoken that it's hard to imagine him threatening an old man.

by Anonymousreply 432April 4, 2016 12:10 AM

It's not irresponsible to state your opinions, but it is a bit presumptuous to assume so many country stars were molested just because they don't act the way they think you should act.

by Anonymousreply 433April 4, 2016 12:18 AM

I would like to engage in some mutual, consensual molestation. He needs me. I can help him. I love trouble.

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by Anonymousreply 434April 4, 2016 12:19 AM

Three is not many R433.

by Anonymousreply 435April 4, 2016 12:21 AM

Anybody watching the ACMs? I was just imagining a Luke Bryan/Blake Shelton/Deirks Bentley threesome when they were bro-ing it up onstage.

by Anonymousreply 436April 4, 2016 12:24 AM

New York magazine just interviewed Eric Church and he had a great assessment.

Just like Jason Aldean -he thinks that contemporary country music is dominated by frat boy children and vapid women. Real emotion, real adult problems- that is Country Music. The songs about teenage bullshit done on the weekend while wasted on beer or Jack Daniels is just derivative pseudo pop with a twang.

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by Anonymousreply 437April 4, 2016 3:02 AM

R431

Preach on brother.

Trying to convince survivors of sexual abuse that they are innocent is heartbreakingly difficult.

by Anonymousreply 438April 4, 2016 3:09 AM

I've seen Eric play about 4 concerts. After seeing him live and listening to all his CDs, I think he is more related to rock, especially Springsteen, than Country music. That being said, my favorite songs are Livin Part of Life, Talledaga, and Springsteen.

by Anonymousreply 439April 4, 2016 3:09 AM

I've said it before. Eric Church is an ass. He completely screwed one of my friends. He has no morals or qualms about using people. I won't get into the specifics, but trust me on this. I won't ever listen to him again. His wife, however, is great.

by Anonymousreply 440April 4, 2016 3:51 AM

R425, Jimmy Wayne is still recording, isn't he? The guy has a wonderful voice and could definitely do more than country. Luke Bryan, to me is a sad case of someone who has sold out to the whole party/bro bit. The days of killer songs like DO I seem to be long gone, at least as far as being released as singles. And that's a damn shame. The thing that made country so good is being lost. Put on some vintage Tammy, George, Loretta, or Dolly and the arrangements and production may sometimes not be as slick, but by God you're gonna FEEL something!

by Anonymousreply 441April 4, 2016 4:13 AM

R440 What's your point? Eric Church may or may not be an asshole, but that doesn't negate his point. And who really gives a shit about his wife.

by Anonymousreply 442April 4, 2016 4:16 AM

So is this new ENTERTAINER of the YEAR Jason Aldean as trashy as some on Twitter allege?

by Anonymousreply 443April 4, 2016 5:04 AM

The shit hit the fan for Aldean a few years back when he was seen publicly cheating on his then wife. I don't know what else has happened since.

by Anonymousreply 444April 4, 2016 5:16 AM

He wore blackface for Halloween.

by Anonymousreply 445April 4, 2016 10:38 AM

Sadly true line from the Washington Post about Aldean and last night's ACM Awards:

The new reigning entertainer of the year debuted his new single, “Lights Come On”… and it sounds exactly like the last five songs he’s released.

by Anonymousreply 446April 4, 2016 4:56 PM

R431 = Lorna Luft

by Anonymousreply 447April 4, 2016 5:00 PM

"Trying to convince survivors of sexual abuse that they are innocent is heartbreakingly difficult."

Assuming that someone was abused with zero evidence is apparently not heartbreakingly difficult.

by Anonymousreply 448April 4, 2016 8:18 PM

R441, have you ever listened to any Gene Watson songs? He may be too country for you. The old country music focused on the song and the voice. Now you're lucky if you can hear the voice and very few voices are distinctive enough to identify the singer. I was listening rather than watching last night's show and at one point thought the channel had been changed to the I heart radio awards show. We had a good laugh imagining some of the songs being played at the Opry.

by Anonymousreply 449April 4, 2016 8:49 PM

Absolutely, R449. Gene Watson is another one of those classic country singers who can't get anything played unless it's on a country oldies station. Wonderful, smooth voice.

by Anonymousreply 450April 4, 2016 9:42 PM

Gene Watson search initiated...

by Anonymousreply 451April 4, 2016 11:00 PM

I was molested by Shania Twain's father.

by Anonymousreply 452April 4, 2016 11:03 PM

Here you go, r298. Enjoy!

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by Anonymousreply 453April 4, 2016 11:30 PM

Why did The Nashville Network changed their name to the Country Music Television channel? They had lots of programming for country music lovers.

by Anonymousreply 454April 5, 2016 12:01 AM

I've never heard that Billy Currington was sexually molested as a child, but I do know that he was physically and emotionally abused by his step father until he escaped. He grew up poor, very poor, and now suffers from extreme anger management problems that have required him to have at least 2 stints in rehab. His rehab had nothing to do with drugs or alcohol. It was strictly or anger management.

by Anonymousreply 455April 5, 2016 1:16 AM

But everyone who has any problems at all in their lives MUST have sexually abused! It couldn't possibly be physical abuse, emotional abuse, or anything else!

by Anonymousreply 456April 5, 2016 1:18 AM

Aaron Tippin MUST be gay. Straight men DO NOT generally walk around with that much basket displayed so proudly and loudly. The man is practically an exhibitionist. And have you seen his mannerisms when he's on stage. How many straight male country performers literally vogue when they're on stage? None, that's how many.

by Anonymousreply 457April 5, 2016 1:40 AM

I'd suck that thing till his head caved in.

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by Anonymousreply 458April 5, 2016 1:44 AM

Aaron Tippen pings so hard he pongs.

by Anonymousreply 459April 5, 2016 2:02 AM

Nashville guy here. You would just assume that Aaron Tippin is gay, what with the way he looks and his muscles and the way he dresses, but I have never heard one single rumor, and he's been married to the same woman for ages. My guess is he's straight, but sure as hell looks gay.

by Anonymousreply 460April 5, 2016 5:01 PM

OK, I've asked a couple of times, will ask again... what happened with Chris Cagle? Good looking guy, definitely some hits, and then trouble in his personal life which (I think) rolled over into his professional life. If memory serves he was dumped by his fiance and later had a drinking problem

I admit, I think he's gay, and deep in the closet, but he's retired from the music biz which seems like either a) an extreme step to not be outed or b) the smartest thing he could do for his own sanity and family.

Nashville Guy, any insights?

by Anonymousreply 461April 5, 2016 10:24 PM

Didn't someone upthread say that Chris is bus married and retired? I think there's a link to an article or something.

by Anonymousreply 462April 6, 2016 5:56 PM

*ignore bus

by Anonymousreply 463April 6, 2016 5:57 PM

Aaron's tippin' the Kinsey scale toward totally gay!

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by Anonymousreply 464April 6, 2016 5:59 PM

Now that Merle Haggard is dead, can there be more dish on him?

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by Anonymousreply 465April 6, 2016 6:04 PM

Has Nashville guy actually stated that anyone is gay? It seems like everyone is someone you think would be gay but really isn't, or just likes to flirt with men but isn't gay, like Chesney. So has he named anyone who is gay?

by Anonymousreply 466April 6, 2016 6:22 PM

I don't know Cagle personally, and never met him. I always wondered about him, too. He disappeared for a while, then came back with a big hit -- that a friend of mine wrote, actually -- then, boom, he was gone again. I think that although the song did well on radio, it didn't sell any records, so his label dropped him. I don't think he had enough name recognition or big enough hits to keep going for a little bit on the touring circuit, so he just pulled up stakes and left the industry.

And, no, I haven't mentioned anyone who is gay. So? Although I'm fairly certain there must be some, I don't know of any current performer -- other than Brandi Clark -- who is gay. If there are any, they do a great job of hiding it and staying in the closet. It's not a very gay-friendly industry, so those who want to succeed will hide it all costs.

by Anonymousreply 467April 6, 2016 10:44 PM

Is Terri Clark still married to that nelly guy?

by Anonymousreply 468April 6, 2016 11:31 PM

What is Lorrie Morgan doing these days?

by Anonymousreply 469April 7, 2016 5:29 PM

What about Lila McCann? She had a song called "Down Came A Blackbird" in the mid to late 1990's.

by Anonymousreply 470April 7, 2016 10:58 PM

Shania Twain is a lezzy.

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by Anonymousreply 471April 8, 2016 12:57 AM

They're like Orcs. Orcs.

by Anonymousreply 472April 8, 2016 12:59 AM

Shania Twain and her bullshit Indian story LOL

by Anonymousreply 473April 8, 2016 1:00 AM

It seems that the great majority of posters here have asked about singers who are long past their prime. Shania Twain, Chris Cagle, Lorrie Morgan, et al. I wonder why that is. Is it because the time when they were popular was when country music at its best, and now the genre is producing singers that no one really cares about? Or is it because you listened to it at that point in your life and don't listen to it anymore? Or is it age thing? Are most of the posters older, so they relate more to the singers from when they were younger, the way a lot of people still like singers from when they were in their 20's -- like Fleetwood Mac, Cyndi Lauper for a lot of people. I'm just surprised that anyone even cares or remembers the likes of Terri Clark. Or Lila McCann.

by Anonymousreply 474April 8, 2016 2:26 AM

I have a question for the former Nashville songwriter who is responding. How does the whole royalty payment system work. I remember hearing Radney Foster complain years ago that it is against the artist and songwriter. I think he said he made around $35,000 after selling a million copies of his Del Rio, TX 1959 CD.

by Anonymousreply 475April 8, 2016 4:00 AM

I'm not the "Nashville Guy," but it's pretty common knowledge that hardly any artist makes any money from the sales of their singles and albums.

If you're a Goliath like a Fleetwood Mac, or a Paul Simon, or a Linda Ronstadt, or a Garth Brooks, and you sell a gazillion copies of your debut or early albums, and THEN renegotiate the terms of your record deal, then yeah, the royalties can really add up.

Gail Davies had six or seven Top 10 country singles in the Seventies, and a bunch of albums that did OK. She wrote in her autobiography that she's never seen a dime from her record sales.

So - you wanna be a rock 'n' roll star?

by Anonymousreply 476April 8, 2016 4:45 AM

What actually happened between Miranda and Blake that caused the divorce?

by Anonymousreply 477April 8, 2016 4:51 AM

Nashville writer here, r475. Royalties are different based on how the product was consumed. Here is a general answer... If a song is played on the radio -- NOT satellite radio or a streaming service -- the writer gets ALL the royalties, unless they've sold their publishing rights, but it's rare that they do. That's what ASCAP and BMI do: they collect radio royalties on behalf of the writer, and then distribute them. This is a little tricky, however, because there's no set rate on how much the writer makes per play; rather, ASCAP and BMI just divvy up the money to all their members, and how they calculate how much each writer gets paid is anyone's guess. Sometimes they send more money to writers that they want to make happy, because they're afraid the top writers will defect. Because of that, once you're a big writer, you generally make more than what you really earned, at the expense of the writer who might just have one hit. If a song is played on satellite or streaming service, the royalties are paid to the LABEL, who then decides how to divvy it up between the writer and performer. Because they want to keep their artist happy, the lion's share of the royalties usually goes to the artist. So, next time you hear someone like a Pharell Williams complain that he only made, say, $100 in writer royalties for "Happy," ask him how much he made for performing it. Performers are being disingenuous when they complain about low writer royalties, although, in truth, no one really makes as much money from streaming services or satellite, and that, honestly, is what's killing music: good professional writers who don't perform are leaving the industry because the money just isn't there anymore. Now here's where Radney's complaint comes in. Royalties from record SALES -- as compared to airplay -- go directly to the writer's publishing company, NOT to the writer. The writer only gets money from that IF he is recouped. Let's say Radney had a publishing deal that paid him 40,000 a year, and he racked up 20,000 in demo costs. If he went two years in between producing a record, then, he would be 120,00 in debt to the publishing company. Ergo, the publisher would keep the first 120,000 of royalties from record sales -- this is called "mechanicals" -- before he sees a dime. That's why it's possible for someone to sell a million copies of a record, but not make much in royalties. It's surprisingly common. I hope that answers the question. It can be convoluted, but I hope I made it understandable to someone who isn't in the industry.

by Anonymousreply 478April 8, 2016 5:01 AM

R478 - thanks for that excellent answer. That makes lots of sense.

by Anonymousreply 479April 8, 2016 5:11 AM

It is disgusting to think of an artist being fucked over because he is not a bigger name. R478 is it true that there is still a payola system- covert- that keeps some asshole like Jason Aldean in number one records while good songs die on the vine?

by Anonymousreply 480April 8, 2016 3:48 PM

R 480 -- top tier writers will get more than their share form ASCAP and BMI, but the difference isn't so huge that you would consider the lesser-names getting fucked over. If they have a hit, they will still make decent money, although I've had top 40 songs and made so litter money from them, and I know that bigger writers made a lot more from songs with the same chart position.

As far as payola: it's not as blatant as it used to be -- when radio stations literally were paid to play a record -- but it exists in subtler forms. It's the promise of, say, Jason Aldean, playing at your company's christmas party. Or a cruise vacation with Florida Georgia Line as the weekend's entertainment. Or backstage passes to meet Luke Bryan. Of course programmers will be swayed by the gifts and attention, but it's a far cry from payola. Stuff like that happens in every single industry -- free trips, free dinners, junkets to movie premieres, etc -- but maybe it seems worse here because we're talking about access to celebrities, and we'd like to think that radio programming is based solely on what song is the best. But it's not, and never has been.

by Anonymousreply 481April 8, 2016 10:41 PM

Bump.

by Anonymousreply 482April 9, 2016 4:46 PM

R478, Does Taylor Swift write most of her songs herself, or does she just contribute a few lines?

What's the word in Nashville about her?

by Anonymousreply 483April 9, 2016 6:20 PM

How was Sheryl Crow received in Nashville when she released "Feels Like Home" three years ago? It was a country album.

by Anonymousreply 484April 9, 2016 7:07 PM

[quote]Mary Chapin Carpenter - unpleasant. Has mental issues and not an easy person to deal with.

:( I can sort of give her a pass because she's suffered a lot with depression.

by Anonymousreply 485April 9, 2016 7:11 PM

No matter what I say, the haters are not going to believe me, but Taylor Swift is an incredible writer. She's written a number of songs alone -- one of her albums, I forget which one , was predominantly self-penned songs -- but she does mostly co write. But I know people who have written with her, and they swear she does most of the heavy lifting. And here is where the haters start criticizing her. She might not be what you like, but she really is a gifted writer. She also is -- or at least was -- a generous and kind person. A friend of mine was in her band for years -- not anymore though, now that she has a pop band and not a country band -- and the stories I've heard of Swift's generosity and kindness are moving. The level of fame she's achieved has , no doubt, changed her, and she is probably less open and more calculated, but that is a natural result of having everyone follow and dissect your every move. There's no way someone can go through what she's gone through without changing, but , yes, she is a kind an incredibly talented writer, and everyone here has respected her skills.

I don't know how much of the pop stuff she writes. I know her country writers, but not the pop writers. I think it's probably that someone like a Max Martin is going to have a song mostly written in hopes of interesting Swift into finishing it. It's possible that he even has the WHOLE song written, and pretends to finish it with Swift in the room, in order to make her feel that she's contributing. Is that her fault? Not at all. Someone like Martin will do what they can to get on her records, even if it's pretending that Swift is contributing more than she really is. I'm sure that happens all the time, but just with Swift, but with every artist. REMember the big fuss about Lady gaga contributing just a few lines to the Diane Warren song? That happens all the time. It's possible Gaga didn't even know the song was almost completed; Warren could have pretended to write the song with her, even though it had, in reality, already been mostly written.

As far as Sheryl Crow. SHe's lived here for a long time, even when she was still doing pop. People here have an odd relationship to pop singers who decide to do country. Even though they feel like someone like Crow -- and, say, Steven Tyler -- might be a carpetbagger by jumping on the country bandwagon after their pop career cools down, they're also gratified and flattered when the go country. So, although they're not fully embraced as one of their own, the industry is still kind of starstruck and in awe of them. It's interesting, though, that very few of the older pop singers who try to cross over to country do well. Darius Rucker is one of the few who has managed to succeed in country, but he was smart by cowriting a lot of his early songs with very visible, successful country writers, whereas Crow's circle was a little smaller, so she didn't have the same groundswell of support.

by Anonymousreply 486April 9, 2016 9:14 PM

Thanks for the info, r486.

by Anonymousreply 487April 9, 2016 9:21 PM

I miss Pam Tillis. What is up with her? She's another country music milk carton case. She was on the top of the charts with hit after hit than gone.

by Anonymousreply 488April 9, 2016 11:32 PM

"It's possible Gaga didn't even know the song was almost completed; Warren could have pretended to write the song with her, even though it had, in reality, already been mostly written."

You act as if the artists are being victimized by the writers. Bull. Most of them want the "cred" and songwriting $$$$ that comes from "writing your won stuff" without actually doing the work of writing a song

by Anonymousreply 489April 9, 2016 11:46 PM

I meant "your own stuff"

by Anonymousreply 490April 9, 2016 11:50 PM

R486, What's the deal with Little Big Town? Do they have a freaky reputation? I bet Nashville was mortified by their hit single "Girl Crush."

Have you heard any gossip on Sam Hunt?

by Anonymousreply 491April 10, 2016 3:58 AM

R485-

MCC "Stones in the Road" is a favorite of mine. "John Doe #24" is one of the best songs ever.

Here mental problems are probably inherited from her dad.

by Anonymousreply 492April 10, 2016 4:02 AM

What's the word on Justin Timberlake trying to go country?

by Anonymousreply 493April 10, 2016 4:32 AM

I've written with Little Big Town, and have known them casually since long before they got a record deal. They're not freaky at all, and people love them. I think the boys -- Phillip and Jimi --are kind and wonderful, but I always thought the girls were a little hard and cold. They work hard, and are respected. Girl Crush? That whole faux controversy was completely fabricated but the label to get publicity. It was written by three successful an incredibly loved songwriters. No one here was shocked or mortified by the song.

To answer another question: everyone here seems to love Timberlake. I don't get it. I never cared for his music. He's always kept Nashville roots -- NYSNC's vocal coach was a popular vocal coach here, they recorded some Nashville-Written songs, etc -- so people have always felt he was one of theirs. But a country career? I really don't think radio or the industry will embrace it, in much the way they somewhat eschewed Steven Tyler's and even Jessica Sampson's and Sheryl Crow. If he does it -- and I bet it will never be released -- he's not really trying to become a member of the community here, and that will hurt him.

I have heard no rumors about Sam Hunt. I don't know him, but know plenty of people who do. They say he is charming and kind. I think he is the sexiest country singer who has ever existed.

by Anonymousreply 494April 10, 2016 1:18 PM

[quote]MCC "Stones in the Road" is a favorite of mine. "John Doe #24" is one of the best songs ever.

MCC, Rosanne Cash, Shawn Colvin ... I love 'em all and I've heard they can all be difficult to deal with due to depression and other issues.

by Anonymousreply 495April 10, 2016 2:21 PM

I love Little Big Town. They all seem nice, and I've never gotten a cold vibe from the girls. I do wonder if Kimberly sometimes wishes they'd put out a single where she's the lead singer instead of Karen. Jimi is such a hottie. I always figured it was a matter of time before he got together with Karen. Kimberly had a great cooking show on The Cooking Channel, I believe.

by Anonymousreply 496April 10, 2016 2:28 PM

Shawn and RC have made some great songs out of depression and self-pity; otoh, they are MCC's Achilles Heel. She loves her long, droning, tuneless songs when in fact they're her weakest.

by Anonymousreply 497April 10, 2016 2:39 PM

Steven Tyler - Love Is Your Name

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by Anonymousreply 498April 10, 2016 2:43 PM

Shut Up & Sing (2007) Official Trailer #1 - Dixie Chicks Documentary HD

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by Anonymousreply 499April 10, 2016 7:10 PM

N Sync recorded a song with Alabama so that's a small country tie in for Timberlake

by Anonymousreply 500April 10, 2016 7:33 PM

I thought Chris Cagle's main problem was the fact that he was a drunkard and a woman beater.

by Anonymousreply 501April 11, 2016 12:35 AM

This is Cagle's mug shot from his 2013 DUI arrest. Clearly he lost his good looks long ago.

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by Anonymousreply 502April 11, 2016 12:41 AM

Country music stars are just as sleazy and fucked up as rock stars, although they seem to be more into pills and booze than cocaine and heroin. But people like Willie Nelson do love their pot.

Country music gossip? Well, the habits of country music stars are pretty well known, so there's not a whole lot of "gossip." Everybody knew Johnny Cash was addicted to pills, that George Jones was an incredibly alcoholic, that Hank Williams was addicted to pills and booze in no small part because he was in chronic pain due to back and spine problems. Country music singers wrote songs that talked about their cheating and boozing. Their behavior has always been "out there."

But there were the lesbian rumors about Dolly Parton. Oprah Winfrey mentioned the gay rumors on her show, and Dolly just said "I'm not", despite having a husband that nobody sees or hears about.

Tammy Wynette's death was "suspicious." Her last husbmd (her fifth) was a truly awful man named George Richey; her daughters thought he and her doctor hastened her death. Although in poor health, they may well have contributed to her death by the "care" they gave her in her final months. But no one was ever arrested or convicted of any wrongdoing.

Buck Owens was a strange one. He married for a third time to a pretty country fiddler named Jana Jae, a few hours later, as her two young children from an earlier marriage were preparing to move into his 150-acre Bakersfield, Calif. ranch, he suddenly filed for annulment. He cited "unsound mind" (without saying whose) as grounds. . A few days later Owens dropped the legal action and took out a series of newspaper ads begging forgiveness. She later claimed that he didn't love her, he just wanted to control her and quoted him as saying "now I own you, lock, stock and barrel." I don't think they got back together.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Randy Travis yet. Long rumored to be gay, he had a very "close" relationship with his platinum-haired old lady manager Lib Hatcher. They stayed married 19 years, the divorced, ending both their personal and professional relationship. In recent years Travis has been on a downward slide, due to his alcoholism, getting DUIs and behaving like a lunatic (he once walked naked into a Tiger Mart convenience store naked, demanding cigarettes from the cashier). In 2013 he had a massive stroke that rendered him unable to sing or speak, and left him unable to walk without using a cane. In 2015 he married a woman named Mary Davis. Will he ever perform again? It seems doubtful. He's only 56 years old, but it seems as though his career is over. Somebody should write a book about him; it's quite a story, full of triumph and tragedy.

by Anonymousreply 503April 11, 2016 2:19 AM

Cagle is 5'7"!!!

Hard pass.

by Anonymousreply 504April 11, 2016 2:28 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 505April 11, 2016 6:18 PM

Randy Travis and Hank Williams Jr. are two artists who belong in the Country Music Hall of Fame. Are they being blacklisted? If only angels could get in, the Hall of Fame would be empty.

by Anonymousreply 506April 11, 2016 6:44 PM

R502, that photo of Cagle is H A R S H. Damn man, is that what drink and some undefined unhappiness can do to a person?

Really, I'm not going to mock him, it's too sad, based on that image.

Hopefully he's working at getting his act together now that he's out of the biz.

And yea, I'm the guy who's been asking about him in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 507April 11, 2016 9:35 PM

He was definitely a long way past his glory days when that mug shot was taken.

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by Anonymousreply 508April 12, 2016 12:27 AM

Chris Cagle is sad because, like Mindy McCready, he couldn't navigate his life and pain into his music. That is what a real artist does- and why Justin Timberlake will never be one, nor Florida Georgia Line, nor that closest case Nick Jonas. But country use to be the Mecca of real life and loss.

by Anonymousreply 509April 12, 2016 12:35 AM

So does Marty Stuart actually have a womanly ass?

by Anonymousreply 510April 12, 2016 12:36 AM

No, but he has gayface

by Anonymousreply 511April 12, 2016 12:37 AM

R503, see R65.

Lib Hatcher reminds me of a John Waters character.

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by Anonymousreply 512April 12, 2016 12:40 AM

Lib looked like a drag queen dressed up as Peggy Lee

by Anonymousreply 513April 12, 2016 12:47 AM

Dwight Yoakam briefly dated Sharon Stone. She said some uncomplimentary things about him; I think she said a "dirt sandwich" would be preferable to him. I seen some of his music videos; he looks sexy...with his hat on and in cowboy drag. Without the hat and the cowboy get up he looks like an very ordinary, balding man.

by Anonymousreply 514April 12, 2016 1:06 AM

"he looks sexy...with his hat on and in cowboy drag. Without the hat and the cowboy get up he looks like an very ordinary, balding man."

Kenny Chesney syndrome

by Anonymousreply 515April 12, 2016 1:08 AM

If the guy has on the right hat and the right cowboy drag, they look hot. George Strait, for instance. He's not a bad looking man without the drag, but, damn, WITH it, he looks incredible. Same with Chesney. I see him all the time wearing street clothes and no cap. Less than ordinary. Same with Cagle. He really isnt even good looking in that photo with the hat, but you don't notice it because of the outfit. THere's just something sexy about a man in cowboy clothes.

by Anonymousreply 516April 12, 2016 2:12 AM

R512 that's "Sunset Boulevard " - Nashville Style

by Anonymousreply 517April 12, 2016 11:06 PM

More of the wig-wearing wondrousness that is Lib Hatcher

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by Anonymousreply 518April 12, 2016 11:08 PM

It was nice of Randy Travis to take an 80-year-old Ginger Rogers to the CMA Awards

by Anonymousreply 519April 12, 2016 11:15 PM

For the CM oldies lovers....heard an oldie today that I liked a long time ago. It was Lee Roy Parnell's The Rock. I haven't searched for it yet but it should be on You Tube. I also heard Lily's White Lies by Martin Delray and Gene Watson's Love in The Hot Afternoon. Good songs.

by Anonymousreply 520April 14, 2016 4:48 AM

One negative about George Strait -- he has no ass! Seriously, one of the flattest butts you have ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 521April 14, 2016 3:56 PM

George Strait has one hot son- Bubba!

by Anonymousreply 522April 14, 2016 4:10 PM

Yes indeed, R522!

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by Anonymousreply 523April 14, 2016 6:25 PM

George Strait has had a jaw-droppingly impressive run on the charts, but what explains the non existent airplay for his latest cd?

by Anonymousreply 524April 14, 2016 8:51 PM

His age and he usually doesn't have loud, rock-style guitars backing him. I've noticed more and more of that in the current country music. It sounds like they're frustrated rock wannabes.

by Anonymousreply 525April 14, 2016 9:03 PM

Here's a question for Nashville Guy, maybe those of you who live in and around the city... what's the opinion about the TV show "Nashville"? Is much of it filmed in and around the city? What do people think of the music that's performed on the show? Many scenes focus two different record labels or take place in studio recording sessions... is there any accuracy?

Personally, I'm impressed with the number of songs performed on the show, think many of the actors have good voices and have read that the show's music sells well, which probably benefits ABC and a few others.

One last question... Dee Johnson is one of the executive producers... he played with Elton John for years... is he a regular in Nashville? i think he's lived there for many years.

TIA.

by Anonymousreply 526April 14, 2016 9:33 PM

Nashville guy here. I think the general consensus of Nashville is that we love and hate it. We recognize it for the soap opera it is, but we're also kind of thrilled that our city is shown in such a positive light. They film here, and choose locations that make the city look beautiful. The absurdity of some of the locations is extreme -- the characters just wouldn't go to that part of town etc -- but it does look like one great town. The Bluebird is authentic. The exterior scenes are, indeed, the Bluebird, although they've built a replica on a soundstage so they can film without disturbing the going-ons of the club. But damn if I can tell the difference; they got it exactly right. The person who announces the bands to the stage is actually the person who books the bands and is the CEO of the club or whatever her title is.. The importance of the club, however, is completely overblown. People like to play there, but there are a bunch of other clubs that are just as good. Is it a good club? Hell, yeah. Is it the only one, and do things really happen by playing there? No, never.

The scenes in the studio and label are simplified, although sometimes they have some semblance of reality, but not often. I was particularly amused by the scene when Rayna and the label first heard the exes cd. There is no way on earth that that would be the first time they heard it. They would have chosen every single song, would have heard rough mixes while it was being recorded, and would have spent a great deal of time in the studio while it was being recorded. Singers do not have that much independence. Pretty much everything is simplified, which is a shame, because there is nothing at all like the feeling you get when you're in a studio, and the musicians are playing your song and fleshing it out for the first time. Words can't describe what a rush it is.

As for the music. It varies. It is fantastic and appropriate in some shows, and others it sounds like the song was inserted because someone owed someone else a favor. But for the most part, they use good songs by excellent, respected writers. The problem is, almost none of the songs would get played on radio or really get recorded. Most of the music sounds like what might have been recorded maybe 15 years ago, but not now. They're what a lot of us call "Bluebird Songs", which are songs we're proud of and will play ourselves if/when we play out, but we don't expect them to reach an audience outside of the club.

As for hating the show...It has helped increase tourist traffic in ways that can't even be exaggerated. We didn't used to get a lot of tourists outside of the FanFair, but, damn, now the whole city is filled with tourists. Downtown doesnt resemble the downtown of just five years ago, and you see bridal parties all over the place, all the time. Yes, it's wonderful that they're bringing in tourist dollars and a lot of great restaurants have opened to serve them, but it really has changed the town from what it was -- a small town where everyone seemed to know each other -- to something more akin to New Orleans and Bourbon Street than anything else.

I hope that answers your questions

by Anonymousreply 527April 14, 2016 10:17 PM

Nashville Guy, it sounds like you attended recording sessions. Who decides which instruments are used in a song? When you wrote a song did you think of that? I'm thinking of Alan Jackson's Remember When and Brooks and Dunn's Neon Moon?

by Anonymousreply 528April 14, 2016 10:50 PM

R528 -great pick -" Neon Moon". I love Ronnie Dunn's voice.

by Anonymousreply 529April 15, 2016 1:06 AM

Nashville Guy, I asked the questions about the TV show, thanks for your answers... surprised to read that the Bluebird's an actual spot that the producers replicated... also nice to read that the kind of music that will not get airplay is still written and performed within the city.

If you've got any info on Dee Johnson (or is it Johnston?) pass along...

by Anonymousreply 530April 15, 2016 10:52 AM

Nashville guy here. I wrote a long response to 528, but, for some reason it didn't post. I'll give a shorter answer here.

The answer is it depends. Most of the time, however, it's the songwriter. When a writer has, say, four or five songs that they want to record demos of, they book the studio, the musicians, and the demo singers. The musicians tend to be people that the songwriters have worked with before, so there's a sense of familiarity and comfort. No, writers generally don't think of what instruments will play what part when they write a song, but it does happen sometimes, particularly if there's a riff that's integral to the song, instead of just something that happens in the studio. Once all the musicians are in the studio, the writer plays a rough work tape for the musicians, and they look at a chart that has been written beforehand. They talk amongst themselves, deciding who plays what, what instrument to use, etc. Then they go in to the studio to flesh the song out. They generally run through the song two of three times before it's taped. Sessions last for three hours, and you can usually record five songs in that time. Sometimes you have other musicians come in after the session to overdub, but that doesn't happen much, because demo budgets have gotten tight because the income stream has been reduced because of streaming and satellite radio. After the instruments have been recorded, the demo singers come in to record the vocals. They take, roughly, and hour to sing a song. When a song is ultimately recorded by a singer, the producer usually just copies the demo. Sure, some producers shake things up and change the arrangement and the instruments used, but they really just tend to copy the demo. (I've actually had a producer ask me for the demo tapes of a few songs, and I'm 1000% certain he just lifted parts of what I recorded and put it on the finished record, completely without credit to either me or the original musician.) Because they have more time and a bigger budget, producers might add instruments -- like an extra guitar, strings, horns, etc -- but the blueprint for the song has already been laid out. I hope that answers your questions. But, seriously, there really is no feeling on earth like hearing a rough work tape transformed into a full-blown song. I can't even begin to tell you how incredible the musicians here are. They have an amazing gift.

by Anonymousreply 531April 15, 2016 4:31 PM

Nashville guy I have a question about David Kersh? What happened to him? What do you know about Wade Hayes, besides his cancer, and what happened to Patty Loveless. What an excellent voice she has. I could listen to her all day.

by Anonymousreply 532April 15, 2016 7:55 PM

R58 here--Thank you for the explanation. I am surprised because I never realized that singers/producers would duplicate the demo for a released song. That must mean they hear what the writer heard in his/her head. Congrats on having songs that were recorded. Are you still writing? I apologize if you've answered this upthread but don't want to have to reread 500 posts.

Did you ever have contact with Janie Fricke? I believe she got her start singing demos, hit the big time, quit and went back to demos.

I second you on Patty, R532. I'm a big fan of hers.

by Anonymousreply 533April 15, 2016 8:14 PM

No, I am not still writing. I have some friends who are singers with record deals, and they still me to write with them, but I really lost my desire for it and won't. The actual act of writing is fantastic: you get to hang in a room with a friend for a few hours, talking about life and wiring a song. That, the show Nashville gets right. It generally takes about 4 hours to write a song. I had one main co-writer, and she and I were so simpatico, that we could often finish a song in an hour. I stopped writing for several reasons. Mostly, because I stopped enjoying what happens AFTER you write a song. There is so much hustling and ass kissing and networking that you have to do in order to get a song recorded, and I just lost the desire. When I was nominated for a major writing nomination, I really didn't care, and I know that I would have been over the moon a few years prior, and that was a clue my heart wasn't in it anymore. I am also an extreme liberal and gay, and got tired of tampering both down in order to fit in with the community, which you really have to do, unless you're Shane MacAnally, who, somehow, has managed to rise above that, and, for which, I give him immense credit and respect. I also don't like the music that's getting recorded now. I don't want to write anyone that celebrates trucks and beer and women with sundresses and daisy dukes. I don't have that background, nor do I want to write about it. So...I stopped. Also, you won't believe how little money there is for people who just write. Streaming services like Pandora and Spotify have really killed writers. It is near impossible to make a living from it these days, unless you are one of the very lucky ones. I was lucky to have had some pretty significant cuts and to be fairly well known, but not lucky enough to be in the top tier, of which there are very few. Also -- the narcissism of most writers and performers is appalling, and I no longer wanted to be around that kind of energy. 90% of conversation with writers and performers consists of "you're great", "no, you're great." "man that song of yours is killer." "Dude, you sing great." It gets old fast.

by Anonymousreply 534April 15, 2016 9:36 PM

I agree. Patty Loveless rocks! Talk about someone that can sing!

by Anonymousreply 535April 15, 2016 10:05 PM

I love me some Patty Loveless. There is a woman who has both soul and mountain sound, bluegrass and rhythm and blues in her voice. She nails a swing song to the wall or can break your heart with a ballad. It isn't always about having the biggest or most powerful voice. She just was the real deal.

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by Anonymousreply 536April 15, 2016 10:43 PM

I am thoroughly impressed with Nashville Guy.

by Anonymousreply 537April 15, 2016 11:39 PM

I'm R533 and R528, not R58. Sorry for the error. Nashville guy, I wish we could know which are your songs but it's dangerous to put your name on DL. We'll settle for knowing we had a conversation with you. Or, I will. One final question for you. How do the streaming services get around paying for playing songs? If you own the rights to the song, how can they legally use it?

R529, I don't think I've heard any Ronnie Dunn song that I didn't like but there's something special about that one.

by Anonymousreply 538April 15, 2016 11:59 PM

Didn't Patty Loveless have throat problems many years back? I seem to recall that she had to take a break because of that, but she came back after a time. Now she's gone again. Maybe she's too traditional to get any airplay now.

by Anonymousreply 539April 16, 2016 12:24 AM

R539 - she's also in her early 60s and her husband, Emory Gordy Jr, is in his early 70s. I'm sure they have more than enough money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives. She still performs at the Grand Ole Opry a number of times throughout the year.

by Anonymousreply 540April 16, 2016 12:32 AM

Hey Nashville Guy - I have two questions.

1. How do record producers such as Tony Brown, Tim DuBois or Emory Gordy Jr get compensated?

2. Who chooses the sesson musicians? For years, it seemed like Pat Flynn's acoustic guitar showed up on a lot of songs. Brent Mason and Paul Franklin also show up on many number 1 hits.

by Anonymousreply 541April 16, 2016 12:44 AM

Nashville guy here. Thanks for the compliments. I got flamed a bit upstream because I didn't out anyone, and people were pretty critical of me. I don't profess to know everything and every one, but I write what I do know. To answer the last few questions. As I mentioned in a previous post, ASCAP and BMI collect money for songwriters when their song is played on the radio. Pandora and Spotify et al ONLY play songs that have been provided to them from the labels or directly from the artist, and they have agreements with the labels on royalties, etc. Once your song has been included on an album, anyone can play it, you have absolutely no control, unless it's something like a political rally that you disapprove of, but, then again, they can play, but they generally will stop if you ask them to. So..the streaming services pay the royalties to the record label, who then divvies it up between the performer and the writer. Even though the writer makes next to nothing from it, I can't imagine any writer would tell them no! And you tube etc has killed income streams, too. I had a song that, in various versions, was streamed on youtube over 750,000 times. Because most of the videos were "fan" videos and not the officially-released one, I actually made NO money from it at all. None. It seems absurd that three-quarters of a million people would watch a video of my song, yet I didn't make any money from it, but that is the reality of the music industry now. Songwriters scream up and down that things have to change, but they won't. If someone doesn't have to pay for something, why would they?

How do producers get paid? There's no one answer for that. Sometimes they get paid, say, $5,000 and up for each song they produce. Some just get a percentage point of sales. Some can get a hell of a lot more than 5,000. It really depends. I produced a track on a pop act, and split $5,000 between me and the other producer, and that had to include all expenses. Fortunately, the other producer plays just about every instrument, so between me and him, we didn't have to hire any other musicians. Tony Brown and Emory Gordy etc are way past their peak and hardly work. I don't know Emory, but I had a conversation with Tony recently, and he acknowledged that he was yesterday's news and is no longer sought after or hired as much as he was. His sound is very much old school country, and no one wants that anymore.

Who picks the musicians? The musicians on the record are almost never the singer's band, with the exception of Tim McGraw, who often uses his own band in the studio. Part of that is just economics: playing on the road is different than playing in a studio, and it's a lot harder to come up with the arrangement than it is to just mimic what's already been recorded. When the clock is ticking -- and good studios aren't cheap -- it's better to have musicians in there who are the best in town, and they're usually not the ones who have to go on the road to make their living. But who picks them? Mostly the producer. Almost always the producer. And once you've broken into the top tier -- i.e. Paul Franklin, et al -- you just keep getting hired over and over. People are afraid to take chances, so they tend to hire the most famous and busiest musicians.

by Anonymousreply 542April 16, 2016 1:05 AM

You are correct r539. She had the same throat issues as Kathy Mattea. Both had surgery and had to take time off for their throats to recover. I always thought Patty's voice sounded richer and stronger post surgery.

by Anonymousreply 543April 16, 2016 1:12 AM

What about Lee Ann Womack?

by Anonymousreply 544April 16, 2016 8:25 PM

This is possibly my favorite Patty Loveless song (and I love most of 'em). She didn't write many of her own songs, with a voice and soul like that, she made them hers.

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by Anonymousreply 545April 16, 2016 8:57 PM

What about Cleve Francis?

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by Anonymousreply 546April 17, 2016 3:45 PM

Why would you even want to know about Cleve Francis?!?

by Anonymousreply 547April 18, 2016 2:52 AM

I gave up on Nashville when it was clear they didn't know what to do with Mandy Barnett. With Owen Bradley producing her, no less!

by Anonymousreply 548April 18, 2016 3:21 AM

I knew Mandy when she was just a kid starting out. She could be very sweet, but she could also be very stubborn. She has a glorious voice, but, yes, she was promoted badly. Once she starred in that Always Patsy Cline play, she was pigeonholed as a retro singer, when she was really capable of so much more. Pairing her with Owen Bradley was a huge mistake, because the ensuing record seemed more like a gimmick than the work of a real artist. The era of someone who could sing the type of songs Patsy sang and get on radio was long gone, even then, and to base an entire career on that genre was misguided. Bradley also hadn't been in the studio in a very long time, and he was well past his prime. This might be heresy to say, but I never thought Owen Bradley was ever that great of a producer. He just happened to be at the right place at the right time, and connected-enough to record some singers at their peak. I'm not sure what he brought to the table. And the songs he recorded with Mandy were all instantly forgettable. She should have had a bigger career, and it's a crime that she didn't.

by Anonymousreply 549April 18, 2016 4:13 AM

r549 here again. I was curious what Mandy was up to -- I haven't spoken to her in years -- and she seems to be touring a lot, although it seems like it's mostly low-level clubs she plays in. And she's still doing the retro stuff. How can she sing Crazy for the eight millionth time, especially since she's just copying someone else's phrasing and performance? That must be the worst kind of hell for a performer. She looks better than I expected. When I knew her, she was prone to chubbiness and didn't put much effort into her appearance. I always wondered if she was gay, even though she would tell me when she slept with a guy. I hope she is happy doing what she's doing, but I do wish she were doing more.

by Anonymousreply 550April 18, 2016 4:34 AM

All right, I have to disagree with "instantly forgettable." For me, all of the songs he produced on I've Got A Right To Cry are just great - "Don't Forget to Cry" is just beautiful, and no one else in Nashville at the time could have sung it as well.

He invented that sound - those strings and the rest - and it's true that it largely sounds retro now. But there should be a place in Nashville for singers who'll never have big hits but do have great talent and simply work a niche, and low-level clubs is not that place. I hope she at least gets to sing at the Opry. I feel sorry for her. I'm sure she was stubborn because she knew she was talented and deserved to be treated well.

Thanks for your comments though.

by Anonymousreply 551April 18, 2016 4:55 AM

Are the Ronnie Dunn fangurls on this thread aware of just how big a homophobic, ultra-right-wing-Looney-Toon he is? Puke.

by Anonymousreply 552April 18, 2016 5:19 AM

I find it hard to believe that Carrie Underwood is a stealth bitch. She just seem so...blank and bland. Like some pre-programmed country music doll.

by Anonymousreply 553April 18, 2016 5:39 AM

R553 I agree. She's so vanilla and married to a big, dumb looking ice hockey player who thanks God in every post-game interview. I remember she supported marriage equality publicly a few years ago, too, so I've (sort of) had a soft spot for her ever since.

Maybe she was just having a bad day, Nashville Guy?

by Anonymousreply 554April 18, 2016 6:12 AM

Nope, 553. She's just an unfriendly bitch. It wasn't just a bad day. And I wasn't the only one who felt that way. Writing room were attached to the studio where she was recording, and we all used to hang out in the kitchen to take a break. When she would go in to the kitchen, we had to leave. I know she supported marriage equality and her politics and beliefs are great -- she's also a vegan -- but she's still not a nice person.

by Anonymousreply 555April 18, 2016 2:52 PM

Any gossip or info on Sturgill Sumpson, one of the more interesting Country "trad mavericks"?

by Anonymousreply 556April 18, 2016 3:03 PM

No, none of Sturgill or anyone like him. I know is music, for sure, but know nothing about him. Guys like that tend to live and work outside the mainstream commercial industry.

by Anonymousreply 557April 18, 2016 3:30 PM

Re Mandy. She really could sing and has an incredible presence, but I think she could have picked better songs. Her first record was on Asylum, and, at the time, the head of a and r and the president seemed hell-bent of going against mainstream radio, and would sign artists just so they could walk around town saying "aren't we cool, we signed this singer ever other label was afraid to touch!" and then went on to record songs that, wile maybe good, just didn't have what it takes to get played on radio. Their intentions were good, but they just didn't know that sometimes radio -- and listeners -- need candy. Or maybe they knew, but just refused to give it to them, because they were the self-appointed keepers of , ahem, good country. The label didn't last long, and I don't believe anyone from their stable had a career of note. I don't remember if mandy's second album was on asylum. For some reason, I think it was on Sire. The problem is, Sire had no infrastructure for breaking into country radio. No promotions people, no connections to the industry, so that project was doomed from the start. Also, why would we need someone like Mandy to channel Patsy, when we could just get the original? She should have found a producer to take what was great about her voice, and found a way to make it more contemporary and more unique, instead of just aping something whose time had come and gone. It is a shame, because she really has an amazing voice.

by Anonymousreply 558April 18, 2016 3:37 PM

What about Lady Antebellum?

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by Anonymousreply 559April 18, 2016 4:38 PM

What about Trick Pony?

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by Anonymousreply 560April 18, 2016 6:09 PM

I always thought the guy in Trick Pony- not Ira- the one with the beard- might be gay.

by Anonymousreply 561April 18, 2016 6:25 PM

May I stop and say something about country music videos: they suck. The guys always wear crosses as if just the wearing of a cross means you are a real Christian. The women are always dressed- at least now- in sexy outfits that never really fit their character. And it is my belief that if video killed the radio star it also invented the handsome boy toy that can't sing, can't act but looks good on camera. I get sick of watching a plot that never has anything to really do with the song, and unplugged electric guitars. Darius Rucker had a video were the plot involved two white people- does that make sense? The great country music stars would never have survived the makeup and lighting of a country video. And country videos lack any vision or artistic spirit which is an insult to the artist and the viewer. But I guess when all you want is to see Jake Owen's ass it doesn't really matter.

by Anonymousreply 562April 18, 2016 6:39 PM

R562, we demand to see a photo of Jake Owen's ass.

by Anonymousreply 563April 18, 2016 7:34 PM

As requested-almost

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by Anonymousreply 564April 19, 2016 12:43 AM

WTF its that Trick Pony video. Yes, a previous poster was right. Videos have nothing whatsoever to do with the actual song. Do they think people won't notice?

by Anonymousreply 565April 19, 2016 10:26 PM

Trick Pony - Pour Me

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by Anonymousreply 566April 21, 2016 4:41 PM

Good. From about 8th grade to a senior in High School it was non stop Patty Loveless where I lived. Then she just disappeared. She had a really good run. My favorite is The Trouble With the Truth. Cause the lyrics are so fucking real and true. "It has ruined the taste of the sweetest lies......"

by Anonymousreply 567April 21, 2016 10:21 PM

R567 - my favorite song by Patty is You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive. She has amazing range

by Anonymousreply 568April 21, 2016 10:39 PM

Nashville Guy: Was it genuine co-writing with Shania Twain and Mutt Lange? Her first album, before they got together, was so blah. Once she was with him it was albums full of hits. I figure if she really had that much writing talent, some of it would have shown in the first album. I've operated off the assumption that her writing credits were Beyoncé style. Maybe not though? Maybe she just needed him to bring out her best?

by Anonymousreply 569April 23, 2016 2:03 AM

R568-excellent song. And R569-she had one song on her first album called " Dance With The One That Brought You" that could have been a hit if packaged with the songs on her second album. Don't know who wrote it though.

by Anonymousreply 570April 23, 2016 2:41 AM

Nashville guy here. Re Shania. I really don't know the answer to that question. I think she only cowrote one song on her first cd, so the mediocrity of the songs on that one had more to do with the label picking bad songs than it did with her writing talent. I might have the minority opinion, but I don't think even her hit songs with Mutt were very good songs; they just SOUNDED good, and they were the right songs for the right time. She was also one of the first country artist to market herself based on sex and attractiveness . It's difficult to remember that she was the pioneer there. I haven't heard any songs of hers in a very long time, and not sure how well they would hold up. My guess is that they wouldn't.

by Anonymousreply 571April 23, 2016 5:07 AM

Why did Faith Hill disappear? Why did Trisha Yearwood just give up and go to a cooking show?

by Anonymousreply 572April 23, 2016 6:15 PM

Faith Hill didn't disappear. She's recorded a shit ton of music since her last cd, and a bunch of songs have been released to radio, but not a single one has done well. Some haven't even charted. I suspect that she is still looking for the right song to bring her back, but she's not about to release an album and have it fail. She doesn't really need new music to continue to be a concert draw, so better she go out on top. As for Trisha, I don't know her, but I suspect she just got lazy now that she's married to one of the richest men in the world. Even though she has the tv show, that's not as much work as touring and putting out new music. She never was a writer, so it's not like she felt she had anything she needed to express, so being in the public eye with her tv show is probably satisfactory to her. I don't know Trisha, but that would be my guess.

by Anonymousreply 573April 23, 2016 8:11 PM

Years ago I read that Mutt took what was an average looking woman with an average voice and created the sexual Shania. The article also talked about Mutt having to put a lot of work into creating her hits, reworking to refine her voice, more than the normal. There was some question whether she could sing live and sound like Shania. I remembered all this when they split and she claimed she couldn't sing because of all the stress from the divorce. I know she did Vegas but her voice was different.

Faith was also marketed based on sex and attractiveness. She had some good songs but not necessarily an outstanding voice you could identify if you didn't know it was her song.

Sad for us, Patty and Trisha have aged out.

by Anonymousreply 574April 23, 2016 9:25 PM

Crystal Gayle, Olivia Newton-John, Dolly Parton, Barbara Mandrell, Charly McClain...all very sexy female country singers in the 70s and 80s. Way sexier than that styrofoam creation, Shania.

by Anonymousreply 575April 23, 2016 9:34 PM

I love Trisha. I think she has one of the best voices ever to make a record. Country or otherwise. I just hate seeing her relegated to a fucking fried twinkie show.

by Anonymousreply 576April 23, 2016 11:30 PM

^^Her show is a success and she obviously loves doing it and loves to cook. She was inducted into the Nashville HOF and released a greatest hits package not long ago.

by Anonymousreply 577April 23, 2016 11:39 PM

Favorite Trisha

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by Anonymousreply 578April 23, 2016 11:56 PM

I heard Faith sing a gospel song on Oprah once- she was outstanding .

by Anonymousreply 579April 24, 2016 8:32 PM

Though I barely like most of Faith's stuff I will agree that she has an amazing voice. I just could never get over what she did to Piece of My Heart.

by Anonymousreply 580April 24, 2016 8:40 PM

Believe it or not, but Faith had never heard Joplin's version of Piece of My Heart when she recorded it, and wasn't even aware of it. Wouldn't you think that SOMEONE -- the label, her background singer, her band, her producer, ANYONE -- would have told her about it? True, it is much easier to call up any song on the internet now than it was down then, but it's hard to believe that none of them had Joplin's record at home. Also, Tower was about four blocks from where they recorded it. Couldn't they have taken a quick trip? Yes, Faith's voice is much better than you'd expect it to be, but I still think she's a lightweight because of that.

by Anonymousreply 581April 24, 2016 9:10 PM

It's funny. Faith has her YouTube channel and she posts her song's videos. You comment comment on all of them except Piece of My Heart. It's just so fucking horrible. That being said her voice, to me anyway, is an A-. I just can't get over to what she did to that song. I'm not a purist either. I probably enjoy covers more than anyone but this was just unacceptable.

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by Anonymousreply 582April 24, 2016 9:13 PM

Thanks for the Shania response Nashville Guy. I think you are correct as far as her "hits" not really standing the test of time. I loved her 2nd and, particularly, 3rd albums when they came out but when they come up on my shuffle now, I usually skip over them. Thanks again. I love reading your tidbits.

by Anonymousreply 583April 24, 2016 10:24 PM

Any info on Amy Grant pal Michael W. Smith? I've always thought he pings.

And yes, I know he's married with kids and is a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 584April 24, 2016 11:40 PM

I swear I remember reading one of the songwriters of "Piece of my Heart" stated they preferred Faith Hill's version to Janis Joplin's. I wish I could find it - might have been in an old Entertainment Weekly. It was at the time Hill's version was a huge hit. He said something like it was written as a simple pop song and somehow it got recorded as this tortured, soul-shattering power ballad, first by Erma Franklin and then by Janis Joplin's band. Of course, it would have been in his best interest to support whatever version was a hit since he was reaping the songwriter royalties.

by Anonymousreply 585April 25, 2016 1:21 AM

And I'm not so beholden to Janis Joplin's version that I can't enjoy Faith Hill's take. It's fun, it's poppy, it's lightweight but I actually prefer a take like this to all the ponderous, plodding, funereal versions of pop songs popular in recent years which seem to get more respect. Yes, "Mad World" was good but now every hipster singer thinks slowing down some 80s hit into a dirge is brilliant artistry.

by Anonymousreply 586April 25, 2016 1:32 AM

Why does country music seem to chew them up and then spit them out in much greater numbers than other genres? I'm not just talking one hit wonders. Acts that had a long string of hits and then it's like they are intentionally exiled by country music establishments. Another huge favorite of mine was Holly Dunn. Loved her. String of hit. Then gone.

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by Anonymousreply 587April 25, 2016 10:29 PM

Austin City Limits Hall of Fame 2015 - lots of great performers. Ray Benson/Asleep at the Wheel, Vince Gill, Patty Loveless, Dwight Yoakham, and many others. They are singing White Freighliner Blues written by Townes Van Zant.

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by Anonymousreply 588April 25, 2016 10:59 PM

Every single genre of music has a group of artists that do well for a few years, and then just disappears. It's not just country, R587. You just might think it happens more often in country than in other genres because you just might prefer those artists. They used to say that people had longer careers in country, but I never believed that was true. Other than a hallowed few -- Waylon, Willie, et al -- acts had relatively short recording careers. They were, however, able to sustain a career by touring on the festival and county fair circuit -- who have always tended to hire more family-friendly artists -- so it just APPEARED that they had longer shelf-lives, but the truth is, very very few had long recording careers.

by Anonymousreply 589April 25, 2016 11:18 PM

Nashville Guy, this is probably before your time but do you know anything about Deborah Allen? She had a hit in the mid 80s with "Baby, I Lied," which crossed over into the pop charts. Her music might have been country-lite, maybe similar to Sylvia from a few years before, but what possessed her label to have her release a synth-rock album in 1987 with a track written and produced by Prince?! She says the label moved her from the country to pop division but it was still an extreme makeover - even Olivia Newton-John had a more subtle transition from lite-country to pop. It looks like they were trying to turn Deborah into Stacey Q.

She speaks fondly of working with Prince and making the album but after it flopped and she was no longer with the label she returned to country music permanently. I'd just love to know who thought she could transition seamlessly to rock at that point!

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by Anonymousreply 590April 26, 2016 2:12 AM

"Baby I Lied" was, indeed, before my time, but I sure as hell remember it. It was a great song. I also knew Allen slightly; we had some good friends in common. I don't like to speak ill of anyone, but...well, she isn't the easiest person to get along with. Almost every singer I've met has been on the narcissistic side, but she is probably the worst I've seen. There was something sad about her desperation to be a star and to be noticed --at least there was, I haven't seen her in years -- and her talent just didn't match her ambition. I strongly suspect that it was she -- not the label -- who pushed for the pop makeover, since she would have been "adored" by a larger audience. Don't get me wrong, she was always very nice, but seeing that kind of hunger and ambition that was greater than the talent is just a little sad.

by Anonymousreply 591April 26, 2016 2:57 AM

Nashville Guy, did you know Janie Fricke? If you answered before, I missed it.

by Anonymousreply 592April 26, 2016 3:32 AM

No, I did not now Janie Fricke. She was WAY before my time. And regarding my comments on Deborah Allen, I hadn't read the link to the Rolling Stone article until after I posted it, but her chiming in and trying to get attention for a relationship that never was is somewhat typical of her doing anything to get the spotlight on her. As I've said before, almost all artists I've know have been extreme narcissists, but I find it sad when their career is brief and they no longer get the attention that they crave.

by Anonymousreply 593April 26, 2016 4:04 AM

R587 - sometimes you wonder what the rational is for some "orders from above." Way back in 1990, Tejano music was looking like it would explode. Nashville rushed out to get crossover stars. Then it quickly disappeared. Caught in the crossfire was a immensity talented singer songwriter from Texas named Tish Hinojosa. Her first album on A&M had a well known song called "West Side of Town." The second album was called Culture Swing, and the label threw lots of money behind the advertising of the album. The Nashville Network was totally onboard. Tish appeared on some shows, and the network featured a concert of songs from her soon to be released album. The first single seemed to be the song "In the Real West" which was being featured during many of these appearances. Then the rug was pulled out for no apparent reason. The label cancelled the release and dropped Tish one week before it was due in the stores. She persevered and rerecorded it a few years later for release on Rounder. It is an awesome record, but could have been a top seller on a major label. You have to wonder if Nashville was so afraid of Tejano music.

Any insight Nashville guy?

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by Anonymousreply 594April 26, 2016 4:21 AM

Tish doing "West Side of Town" on Austin City Limits in 1990. Tejano accordionist Flaco Jiménez is featured on this track.

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by Anonymousreply 595April 26, 2016 4:30 AM

Thanks for the insight on Deborah Allen, Nashville Guy. Someone on one of the Prince threads posted her "Telepathy" video and I was shocked it was the same artist so I've been trying to find out how it came about. She did seem a bit desperate in the Rolling Stone article to make more of her experience with Prince than there probably was. And since she doesn't disavow the album or blame the record company for forcing her to do it, you may be right that it was her idea. Still, you'd think they could have talked her out of it or at least tried to make it more of a soft pop album that might still have some crossover appeal for her country fans. It's just odd!

by Anonymousreply 596April 26, 2016 4:47 AM

Anything on Lorrie Morgan? An old friend filmed a behind the scenes video of her cutting a classic country song a few years back. The vid and her version of the song were wonderful, but I'm not sure it was ever released. She's another who finds it hard to get any current airplay.

by Anonymousreply 597April 26, 2016 5:20 AM

We're almost full here, so I've set up a second thread. See link below...

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by Anonymousreply 598April 26, 2016 5:40 AM

Thank you,R598. I like Lorrie's voice, R597, and loved to listen to Keith Whitley.

by Anonymousreply 599April 26, 2016 7:05 AM

Keith Whitley- he was one of the greatest singers of all time!!!

by Anonymousreply 600April 26, 2016 6:02 PM
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