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ISIS throw 4 more gay men to their deaths

Executions were carried out in two Iraqi cities over the weekend

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by Anonymousreply 150May 17, 2020 3:59 AM

" ISIS has branded LGBTI people ‘the worst of all creatures.’

The jihadist group executed nine men and a boy accused of being gay in Syria last month and claimed responsibility for the killings of at least 30 other gay men. "

by Anonymousreply 1October 5, 2015 3:51 PM

And those are only the ones they are able to report about. Wonder how many gay executions go unreported?

by Anonymousreply 2October 5, 2015 3:52 PM

Isn't it that Russia is already attacking ISIS?

How come they are still doing this?

by Anonymousreply 3October 5, 2015 3:57 PM

It should be noted that in the Middle East, accusing someone of being "gay" is sometimes used as an excuse to get rid of rival clan members as well as settling personal and power disputes.

by Anonymousreply 4October 5, 2015 3:58 PM

When did they start using i at the end of LGBT?

by Anonymousreply 5October 5, 2015 4:00 PM

R3 Russia is not attacking DAESH. Russia is attacking those who are a direct threat to al Assad.

by Anonymousreply 6October 5, 2015 4:02 PM

Religion will cause the WW III.

Islam and Christianity on the same boat since both promote inequality and the supremacy of their religion.

by Anonymousreply 7October 5, 2015 4:04 PM

R7 No dear... Islam and Christianity are not in the same boat.

Take a look at the state human rights in every Muslim majority country in the world. Look at the rights of women and gays for starters.

THAT is Islam.

by Anonymousreply 8October 5, 2015 4:09 PM

They were just following their conscience.

by Anonymousreply 9October 5, 2015 4:16 PM

Yes, R6 is right. Russia is attacking the western-backed rebels.

Because of its support for Israel the US cannot support the Assad regime. But if course it also can't support DAESH. So it supports the very marginal non-Fundie rebel groups who stand virtually no chance of defeating either Assad or DAESH.

And of course the rest of the West follows suit.

The Russians sensed weakness and struck. In doing so they support an ally, embarrass the USA and reassert themselves as an international military presence. Win-win-win.

The only way for the west to retaliate would be to bomb Assad and that would be idiotic -- threatening to escalate conflict with Russia, but more importantly, allowing DAESH to gain more ground. The Russians realize this.

It's really the stupid policy of the US that we are suffering from right now, thanks to the stranglehold that supporters of Israel have on US foreign policy.

by Anonymousreply 10October 5, 2015 4:23 PM

[quote]Religion will cause the WW III.

Yes, the religion known as Mammonism, the worship of money and power.

by Anonymousreply 11October 5, 2015 4:30 PM

[quote]Because of its support for Israel the US cannot support the Assad regime.

Rubbish! The US had no problem supporting Hafez al Assad and his brutal aspirations for decades.

The West has been supporting the rebels who started the civil war 5 years ago, not Assad. Russia is looking to make nice with Iran and its old ally and Iran client Syria, therefore Russia is more interested in bombing the rebels threatening Assad than DAESH.

by Anonymousreply 12October 5, 2015 4:37 PM

Funny how Putin did more to smash ISIS in one week than the US military has done in over a year. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you actually want to accomplish something.

by Anonymousreply 13October 5, 2015 4:40 PM

R13 Putin is not hintered by democratic processes or Gulf politics. He's a dictator, doing whatever the fuck he wants; ergo, more effective.

by Anonymousreply 14October 5, 2015 4:45 PM

[quote]Rubbish! The US had no problem supporting Hafez al Assad and his brutal aspirations for decades.

That's complete nonsense, of course. The US has in fact lent support to Israeli military operations against Assad and has never given Syria a penny in support.

by Anonymousreply 15October 5, 2015 5:09 PM

[quote]Putin is not hintered by democratic processes or Gulf politics. He's a dictator, doing whatever the fuck he wants; ergo, more effective.

Putin is demonstrating the same Shock and Awe tactics in Syria that the USA unleashed in Iraq. We could smash ISIS in Syria if we wanted to. That we have not done so is evidence that we do not wish to do so. We could have eradicated the poppy crop/heroin trade in Afghanistan twelve years ago if we really wanted to fight a War on Drugs.

by Anonymousreply 16October 5, 2015 5:12 PM

BOTH Assads in fact.

The US gave enormous logistical aid to Israel in 1973, and gave intelligence support to Israel for its airstrike in 2007.

by Anonymousreply 17October 5, 2015 5:12 PM

R8 Are you aware that it is because of christianity and christians that LGBT people have been oppressed, denied rights and persecuted to death in the West, right?

Both Islam and Christianity are incompatible with an egalitarian society.

by Anonymousreply 18October 5, 2015 5:13 PM

[quote]Funny how Putin did more to smash ISIS in one week than the US military has done in over a year.

What's the evidence of that? The Russian air strikes aren't even aimed primarily at DAESH.

The western air strikes have not destroyed DAESH but they have struck a major blow against them both militarily and economically.

by Anonymousreply 19October 5, 2015 5:15 PM

Jesus Christ (he says ironically) what the hell does DAESH mean and when did it become the new name?

by Anonymousreply 20October 5, 2015 5:28 PM

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by Anonymousreply 21October 5, 2015 5:39 PM

They did not execute gay men - they murdered them.

by Anonymousreply 22October 5, 2015 5:46 PM

I thought it meant "Douchebag Arabs Exterminating Sensible Humans"

by Anonymousreply 23October 5, 2015 5:52 PM

Kind of like the way the USAF murdered 19 or more people, including three children, in a hospital in Afghanistan last week.

by Anonymousreply 24October 5, 2015 5:53 PM

Yeah R24, it is just exactly like that.

by Anonymousreply 25October 5, 2015 6:00 PM

Its like when there's no more Ben & Jerry's Karamel Sutra at the mini-mart and I want to cut a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 26October 5, 2015 6:03 PM

Obama and his red line will cost us for decades. He's a sad boy trying to do a man's job.

by Anonymousreply 27October 5, 2015 6:22 PM

What was the adult thing to do then, R27? Enlighten us.

by Anonymousreply 28October 5, 2015 6:53 PM

Maybe should have stayed out of it completely and forced mighty and rich mid-eastern countries to figure it the fuck out, or not. Their problem. However I suppose the Mid-east powers just see it as a Russian and American problem.

by Anonymousreply 29October 5, 2015 6:56 PM

R29 are you also R27?

by Anonymousreply 30October 5, 2015 7:02 PM

no i am not 27

by Anonymousreply 31October 5, 2015 7:05 PM

No proof that any of these gen were gay, this is a propaganda war also and executing gay men will appeal to the arab masses. They threw men off a building they had in custody, who knows if they were gay or not.

by Anonymousreply 32October 5, 2015 7:11 PM

True, R32. The state of Oklahoma is on the verge of executing a man in spite of evidence that came to light years after his conviction that may exonerate him. The "mass appeal" of the death penalty in the USA makes it painfully hard to push for clemency in cases where guilt is not clearly proven.

by Anonymousreply 33October 5, 2015 7:16 PM

Op is just a plant..trying to get people all riled up and calling for war. Don't fall for it.

by Anonymousreply 34October 5, 2015 7:23 PM

How does Ilsam operate to create psychopaths?

by Anonymousreply 35October 5, 2015 8:12 PM

And yet some retards on here will still defend these disgusting Mooslims and call you racist if you don't like them, even after all the gays they've murdered.

by Anonymousreply 36October 5, 2015 10:21 PM

From the quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

by Anonymousreply 37October 5, 2015 10:38 PM

Frankly, I think it's just convenient to call these men gay I doubt most of them were. Just psychos trying to create fear.

R36, that's "Muslims", dear. Are you some hillbilly? IS doesn't really care about religion they are just homicidal, power hungry psychos like all would be dictators. They attract disenfranchised young men. I was reading the other day that a lot of the kids are getting there and wanting to leave but can't. Too bad they were not smarter.

by Anonymousreply 38October 5, 2015 10:41 PM

R38 = Retarded MOOSLIM apologist

by Anonymousreply 39October 5, 2015 10:44 PM

R38 has seized the raging idiot prize.

by Anonymousreply 40October 5, 2015 10:44 PM

ISIS DOES care about their religion. They are destroying all pagan monuments and reliques because they were not built for Allah.

by Anonymousreply 41October 5, 2015 10:49 PM

They may care a bit R41 but they care more about power and being feared. Unfortunately, the only really successful way to do that is to crush the religious zealots like Hussein did.

by Anonymousreply 42October 5, 2015 10:55 PM

Turn the whole fucking region to glass. Kill them all, fucking useless eaters.

by Anonymousreply 43October 5, 2015 11:55 PM

[quote]The US has in fact lent support to Israeli military operations against Assad and has never given Syria a penny in support.

WRONG! Syria was obligated a total of $107M from the United States government in 2012, an increase of 75% from last year's aid ($26.8M).

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by Anonymousreply 44October 6, 2015 4:26 AM

If Islam is a religion of peace why aren't muslims extremely peaceful?

by Anonymousreply 45October 6, 2015 4:28 AM

For the same reason that half the Christians in the USA own guns, R45, and for the same reason that "God's Chosen People" in the Holy Land think they need nuclear weapons to defend their "Promised Land" just in case God doesn't really care if they live there or not.

by Anonymousreply 46October 6, 2015 4:33 AM

R46 I haven't seen any Christians doing things like this.

by Anonymousreply 47October 6, 2015 4:47 AM

The point, R47, is that Christ presumably would not have instructed his followers to stockpile weapons that kill. Christians are to forgive their enemies and turn the other cheek and to love all mankind as their brethren.

by Anonymousreply 48October 6, 2015 4:54 AM

Stuff happens.

by Anonymousreply 49October 6, 2015 5:01 AM

Mike huckleberry and Rick Santorum would do the exact same thing to gays if they could.

by Anonymousreply 50October 6, 2015 5:05 AM

That's all well and good, r48, but nothing in Christianity demands that you not defend yourself against those that would harm you or your family.

You can argue about whether a "stockpile" of weapons is necessary for that purpose, but owning weapons capable of killing people is not the same as actually doing it.

You can murder someone by tossing them off a building. No weapon necessary.

by Anonymousreply 51October 6, 2015 5:05 AM

What fuckwits like R46 and others comparing US Xtians to Islam are ignorant of is that in the US, there still exists the rule of law, and there are laws and legal mechanisms protecting the individual. In tribal Muslim societies, the individual has no protection, and the only rule of law is the one with the gun.

by Anonymousreply 52October 6, 2015 5:14 AM

Remember the inquisition?

That's what happens when Abrahamic religions take over.

by Anonymousreply 53October 6, 2015 5:33 AM

[quote] Are you aware that it is because of christianity and christians that LGBT people have been oppressed, denied rights and persecuted to death in the West, right? Both Islam and Christianity are incompatible with an egalitarian society.

R18 What on earth are you babbling about? In the end, the countries with THE MOST egalitarian societies, the most gay rights are those with majority Christian populations and leaders who identify as Christian. Separation of Church and state is NOT an Islamic concept.

by Anonymousreply 54October 6, 2015 10:45 AM

This is what would happen if we had gun control in America.

by Anonymousreply 55October 6, 2015 11:17 AM

[quote] Remember the inquisition? That's what happens when Abrahamic religions take over.

Wrong! That's what happened when the CATHOLIC CHURCH took over.

by Anonymousreply 56October 6, 2015 11:24 AM

The catholic church is a branch of Abrahamic religions, R56

by Anonymousreply 57October 6, 2015 12:34 PM

Actually r19 they've have factored western attacks into their plans and one of those plans is to flood Europe with "migrants" in their plans to conquer Europe before moving on to America.

by Anonymousreply 58October 6, 2015 1:05 PM

R57 The ONLY Abrahamic religion that started and perpetuated the Inquisition for 500 years was the Catholic Church.

by Anonymousreply 59October 6, 2015 1:09 PM

R58 DAESH does not need "migrants" to conquer Europe. There are thousands of European Muslims pursuing jihad, fighting for DAESH in Syria and Iraq.

by Anonymousreply 60October 6, 2015 1:11 PM

[quote] Frankly, I think it's just convenient to call these men gay I doubt most of them were.

Right r38, they were bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 61October 6, 2015 1:43 PM

What is Daesh briefly explained?

by Anonymousreply 62October 6, 2015 1:47 PM

Iraq. Yet, America gets the most hate by the morons on these boards.

Peace, love and understanding! "Religion of peace"!

by Anonymousreply 63October 6, 2015 2:59 PM

If the CIA ever decides to show us someone actually hitting the ground or actually dying hanging, then we might believe their pathetic propaganda crap.

by Anonymousreply 64October 6, 2015 3:40 PM

R64 Are you serious? These news sites show clips because of the sensitivity of their audience. The full videos are everywhere, online if you can stomach them. Yes, this is real.

by Anonymousreply 65October 6, 2015 3:56 PM

where are they? Please show us!

by Anonymousreply 66October 6, 2015 4:41 PM

I hate Fuckabee and Santorum with the heat of a thousand suns, but I do not believe that they would KILL gay men if they could. Neither do I believe that Xtian fundies would destroy ancient historical artifacts because they contradict the teachings and history of Xtianity.

Face it, the Islamic extremists, particularly those from SA and its geographical neighbors are worse than Xtians.

by Anonymousreply 67October 6, 2015 4:54 PM

R67 Speaks sanity. There's "obnoxiously opinionated, with opinions that I disagree with" and there's "trying to kill me and annihilate my people's culture". They are not the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 68October 6, 2015 4:55 PM

R67 Thank you! That's all I wanted to see on here, for a moment: Some honesty. Yes, there are obnoxious, superior Christians out there with a superiority complex. But Islamists want to murder gay people. These are not the same things.

Speak truth to power, even if that power is an activist who is tongue-tied by PC limitations.

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by Anonymousreply 69October 6, 2015 4:58 PM

Deniers on here have been so numbed by PC, SJW indoctrination that they'd rather pretend these videos don't really exist, even though tons of Islamic leaders have personally declared that The Quran does call for the death of homosexuals.

by Anonymousreply 70October 6, 2015 5:00 PM

How about the US evangelical church behind the promotion of death penalty for homosexual people in Uganda and other places in Africa?

Do you doubt that if Christianity had total control of a country it would be hard to pass laws to kill LGBT people?

by Anonymousreply 71October 6, 2015 5:33 PM

[quote]Do you doubt that if Christianity had total control of a country it would be hard to pass laws to kill LGBT people?

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 72October 6, 2015 5:38 PM

R71 No, a handful of independent crazies that are in no way representative of any, Christian doctrine -- while they should be shunned and publicly condemned -- are not responsible for people in Africa finding excuses to kill gay people. Unless, of course, you consider Africans mindless, sub-humans.

Islam demands this, The Quran does, The Islamic Clerics that are the head of Islamic theocracies and The Muslim Brotherhood (the one always calling Israel evil) demand this and some Muslims follow religious law while others do not.

by Anonymousreply 73October 6, 2015 5:40 PM

R71 Stop fabricating false equivalencies, to get Islamists off the hook for killing gay people for being gay.

by Anonymousreply 74October 6, 2015 5:42 PM

Inquisition. That word says it all.

Abrahamic religions create people with superiority complex. They despise you all, homosexuals. Open your eyes.

by Anonymousreply 75October 6, 2015 5:47 PM

R75 To what? The "glory" of Islam?

No religion, in The World, is like Islam nor produces followers like Islam does.

by Anonymousreply 76October 6, 2015 5:48 PM

R8, the rights of women and gays are better in countries with Christian populations solely because liberal democracies were created as a reaction against Christian law.

Islam never went through an enlightenment period like Christianity did-- during which there was a mass rejection of the strict tenets of the religion.

by Anonymousreply 77October 6, 2015 5:49 PM

R76 "Abrahamic relgions" includes Islam because Muhammad invented islam based on the former branches.

by Anonymousreply 78October 6, 2015 5:51 PM

R73, the Christian bible also demands the killing of gays. We have just learned to reject that absurdity.

These people aren't muslims; they are conservative fanatics.

Do you think for a second that if the US didn't criminalize murder, the right wing evangelicals wouldn't do the same thing to gays?

by Anonymousreply 79October 6, 2015 5:51 PM

Yes, it's the three main Abrahamic religions and their spreading around the world via British, French, and Portuguese imperialism that has caused this crazy animosity towards gays.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, etc preach no such hatred.

by Anonymousreply 80October 6, 2015 5:54 PM

R78 "Allah" is not the God of Abraham, he is the Lord of Sirius; Moon god. The Islamic Calander is based on moon cycles. Look at the imagery and learn:

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by Anonymousreply 81October 6, 2015 5:55 PM

R81 Christianity is actually strongly against occult astrology.

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by Anonymousreply 82October 6, 2015 5:56 PM

R82 This is not just a statement on God being master of everything. Read the Quran.

by Anonymousreply 83October 6, 2015 5:57 PM

R80 Really? Amazing, how the Catholic priest who outed himself as gay wasn't immediately hanged for it. Or that this is allowed to happen, without a death penalty, in Israel:

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by Anonymousreply 84October 6, 2015 5:59 PM

Stop being a bunch of fucking cowards and call Islam out.

by Anonymousreply 85October 6, 2015 5:59 PM

R81 [calendar]

by Anonymousreply 86October 6, 2015 6:00 PM

Hmm, Buddhism doesn't seem to speak much about homosexuality, but still buddhism and hinduism have some episodes of violence of some sort.

Shintoism, on the other hand, seems to be the most peaceful of the three. As far as I know, it doesn't mention homosexuality and sexuality in general. Ancient Japanese like most ancient cultures were very tolerant of homsoexuality. It just wasn't an issue.

by Anonymousreply 87October 6, 2015 6:01 PM

R87 I am willing to include Islam alongside other, mainstream religions, even with what I consider their inadequate position on homosexuality if Islam will go through a reformation like the others, where it condemns the murder of gay people because they are gay, as immoral: Under a "thou shalt not kill" type directive.

by Anonymousreply 88October 6, 2015 6:03 PM

Could someone please post the passages of the quran that speak against us?

by Anonymousreply 89October 6, 2015 6:06 PM

I bumped into this news but there is a little pic of another news about ISIS killing people and the picture is too explicit. I can't believe what is happening in the world.

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by Anonymousreply 90October 6, 2015 6:55 PM

R80

[quote]Yes, it's the three main Abrahamic religions and their spreading around the world via British, French, and Portuguese imperialism that has caused this crazy animosity towards gays.

Funny isn't it: all of the countries with legalized gay marriage are majority (by a WIDE margin) Christian. And the majority also happen to be majority Catholic.

So where's the prosecution?

Now tell us about the majority Muslim countries....

by Anonymousreply 91October 6, 2015 7:10 PM

R91 The inconvenient truth.

by Anonymousreply 92October 6, 2015 7:21 PM

With one little though BIG detail, R91 Most of those countries have separated religion from the state. You wouldn't be telling the same story if those countries were passing laws according to the bible (theocracry).

by Anonymousreply 93October 6, 2015 7:21 PM

R93 Answer his question. You are purposefully avoiding the massive, Islamic elephant in this conversation. This is enabling.

by Anonymousreply 94October 6, 2015 7:24 PM

R94 My position is that all Abrahamic religions (that includes Islam) are backwards, totally incompatible with a more peaceful and egalitarian society based on rational thinking that learns from facts (science) and not giving mythology the status of "truth".

by Anonymousreply 95October 6, 2015 7:31 PM

R95 It is a foolish position because as R91 pointed out, all of the most advanced countries with the most human rights protections, are full of Christians and/or Jews and unofficial, National values are based on these value and morality systems; they ALLOWED there to be that separation. That is impossible, if you are truly following The Quran.

by Anonymousreply 96October 6, 2015 7:41 PM

No one is denying that there are some extreme kooks in Xtianity. There are plenty. BUT, they truly are in the margins. That is the primary difference between them and Islam. Nowhere in the bible does anyone call for the extermination of gay men. And no matter how socially retarded and backwards Xtians may be, very very few believe in killing abortion doctors and even fewer would support killing gay men. I cannot believe that I am writing anything which smacks of a defensive posture of Xtianity, but god dammit, the truth is the truth. Compared to radical Islam, 99% of the Xtian fundies in this country seem sane in comparison. I'll give you a crude example: I had an old racist backwards ass grandmother who hated everyone and everything which did not conform to her limited world view socially and politically. But even SHE conceded that without gay men and black people our culture and arts would suffer terribly. Have you ever heard a Mullah or Imam say such a thing about great artists/musicians/thinkers who were gay?

by Anonymousreply 97October 6, 2015 7:41 PM

R96 Please, read my answer ---> R93

by Anonymousreply 98October 6, 2015 7:47 PM

With the exception of Leviticus 20:13, R97

If christians were the state things would be very similar to how things are in the Middle East for homosexual people. They would certainly pass laws based on Leviticus to kill two men or two women who have slept together. Following this direction, any display of same-sex affection would be banned and punished in some way if observed. That would mean that you would have to stay in the closet for safety purposes making all those arounD you believe you are heterosexual denying and repressing your natural need for affection and sexual bonding with someone of your own sex. No sex, no boyfriend.

Do you really think you would live a fulfilling life with christians in power? The homophobia that still remains in western societies it is because of Judeo-christianity and the same about the Middle East since Islam stems from Judeo-christianity.

Do you really think you would live a fulfilling life with christians in power?

by Anonymousreply 99October 6, 2015 8:03 PM

R99 WTF?

[quote]Do you really think you would live a fulfilling life with christians in power?

Uh...99.9% of the leaders in the US and Europe are Christian.

Are you able to understand that Christians ALLOWED ...demanded....fought for ....separation of church and state.

Got it?

by Anonymousreply 100October 6, 2015 8:34 PM

Just as we thought - there is no proof that Towels murder sisters.

by Anonymousreply 101October 6, 2015 8:41 PM

R100 Please, stop making up stories.

There's no room for gays in christianity except if you renounce to live your same-sex attraction (repression) or turn heterosexual because male and female god created them. Be fruitful and multiply.

by Anonymousreply 102October 6, 2015 8:42 PM

There are Christian denominations that conduct same-sex marriages today, R102, and there will be more in the future. Mainstream Christianity is evolving to be more inclusive -- and the day when Christian bigots suffer socially and economically for their anti-gay views is not too far away.

The same is not true of Islam.

by Anonymousreply 103October 6, 2015 8:51 PM

R102Really? And what are the consequences if you don't renounce to live your same-sex attraction (repression) or turn heterosexual?

by Anonymousreply 104October 6, 2015 8:56 PM

To those defending Christianity: you do understand that Christian culture went through a period called the Enlightenment, where it was decided that separating religious doctrine from government was a more humane way of governing? And that Islam has not gone through such a period and thus its fundamentalist crazy wing is allowed to take a horrific route that the fundamentalist crazy Christians aren't allowed to?

by Anonymousreply 105October 6, 2015 9:01 PM

R103 Yes. My parents attend a very upmarket Presbyterian church in a Northeastern city and their Minister recently married another man in the clergy. I'm not going to say that the congregation was 100% elated, but no one called for him to resign.

And, who turned this thread into a discussion of how great Xtians are or society? I thought the point was how abominable fundamental Islam is to personal freedoms? I'm no cheerleader for anything which is tied in anyway to Pat Robertson and Puke-A-Bee. But I'll take them any day of the week over the likes of the mullahs of Iran and Saudi Arabia.

by Anonymousreply 106October 6, 2015 9:02 PM

R100- to call European leaders "christian" is a misnomer, American christian leaders would consider them to be atheists. European Christianity has pretty much only the name in common with American Christianity.

by Anonymousreply 107October 6, 2015 9:17 PM

[quote]the Christian bible also demands the killing of gays.

That is the Jewish Old Testament.

The Christian New Testament doesn't instruct people to kill anyone for any reason.

by Anonymousreply 108October 6, 2015 11:45 PM

R10, US support of Israel is NOT the main reason for refusing to support Assad. He's a brutal dictator who's led to the growth of ISIS by gassing and indiscriminately murdering countless civilians. Many other Western and Mid East countries are also opposed to his continued rule.

The US gains nothing by continuing to spend huge amounts of money trying to combat ISIS. Let the Russians deal with the inevitable repercussions.

by Anonymousreply 109October 7, 2015 1:08 AM

R110 I refuse to use any sacred terms or terms of respect for Islam, either. I have no respect for this horrible religion and I absolutely will not pretend to. As an adult living in a free country, nobody is going to force me to do otherwise. It does not deserve such reverence. I will defend the humanity of Muslims but never defend this terrible religion.

by Anonymousreply 111October 7, 2015 2:45 AM

Amen R111!

by Anonymousreply 112October 7, 2015 3:04 AM

Russia is currently coordinating armed attacks on Syria and specifically on ISIS WITH Israel.

Many are questioning WHY Russia appears to be weakening ISIS so quickly, compared to long-term US efforts that have had minimal results. There have been stories the US has even indirectly supplied ISIS with food. Yes Putin doesn't care about "collateral damage." Wonder how many Syrians have "gotten out of harms' way" after reading about the coming bombing raids dropped from Russian planes. Supposedly rebels who surrendered were promised food and aid at border check points. Wonder if they dared to take the risk.

by Anonymousreply 113October 7, 2015 3:09 AM

China along with Russia appear to be the new world powers. Goodbye ISIS.

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by Anonymousreply 114October 7, 2015 3:36 AM

R104, You would not be treated as an equal, you would be seen as a threat to christian values and laws would be passed to ensure the supremacy of christianity dictating the way society must be conducted.

Seriously, it is not hard to tell that LGBT people would have it even harder if we live in a christian theocracy. The bible reinforces heterosexism; not inclusion of non-heterosexual people.

Even today when religion has lost a lot of its influence on society we still see how christians try to exert their power and refuse to treat LGBT as equals: service has been denied to gay couples such as baking wedding cakes. Kim Davis, the most recent case denying marriage licence to a gay couple. Schools doing nothing to stop bullying against LGBT students, etc and etc.

The nature of all Abrahamic religions (read Islam here too) is like this. Just read the OT. The is a constant vengeful attitude from god because Hebrews were trying to build a strong identity they deemed superior to the other surrounded cultures.

by Anonymousreply 115October 7, 2015 3:58 AM

[quote]The nature of all Abrahamic religions (read Islam here too) is like this. Just read the OT. The is a constant vengeful attitude from god because Hebrews were trying to build a strong identity they deemed superior to the other surrounded cultures.

Lemme guess. You neither read nor understand Hebrew.

by Anonymousreply 116October 7, 2015 4:02 AM

R116 Let me guess. You still believe the bible is true.

by Anonymousreply 117October 7, 2015 6:39 AM

I'm reading news about ISIS being already attacked by Russians.

by Anonymousreply 118October 7, 2015 6:23 PM

It will be interesting to see how the Western world will react if Russia and China team up to defeat ISIS, when the U.S. and its allies couldn't. I presume Russia and China will feel even less hampered by human rights and world opinion matters than we were, so they actually could do it. Just flatten them.

by Anonymousreply 119October 7, 2015 6:29 PM

Islam creates organizations like ISIS. They may destroy ISIS, but then another group may form and this will go on and on.

You need to abolish Islam.

by Anonymousreply 120October 7, 2015 6:38 PM

This year's annual DL Fall Fun and Frolic Tour to the Middle-Eastern countries has been cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 121October 7, 2015 6:47 PM

[quote]You need to abolish Islam.

And just how do you propose to do that? Another Holocaust? A Holocaust multiplied by a thousand?

by Anonymousreply 122October 7, 2015 9:23 PM

Not proposing any methods to do that, R122 Just acknowledging the root of the whole problem. ISIS may be defeated, but then other groups will rise because what gives birth to these groups still exists and has tremendous power.

Abolishing Islam is certainly much more complex than defeating ISIS and I don't think anybody has come up with an idea to do that. The Middle East will continue to be problematic for a very very long time.

by Anonymousreply 123October 7, 2015 9:38 PM

Golly, R123, wouldn't it be more cost-effective to eradicate Israel? I am not advocating the eradication of Israel, but since you seem to think we need to eliminate entire religious populations from the planet, wouldn't it take far less time and effort to get rid of one little nation and its small population of millions than the whole host of Islamic nations and their over one billion followers? After all, the USA had no enemies in the Middle East until Israel was founded.

by Anonymousreply 124October 7, 2015 9:52 PM

You misunderstand, R124

I am talking about abolishing the ideology; not muslims.

What does Israel have to do with this? ISIS want to convert the whole world to Islam.

by Anonymousreply 125October 7, 2015 9:59 PM

R124 Brilliant. Eliminate the only Middle Eastern country where gays have the right to live without being murdered or bashed to appease a bunch of woman-beating, child-raping, gay-killing camel jockeys.

by Anonymousreply 126October 8, 2015 3:19 AM

The Likudniks in Israel helped the Neocons do 9/11, R126. The evidence is overwhelming.

by Anonymousreply 127October 8, 2015 4:30 AM

R127's tin hat is on way too tight.

by Anonymousreply 128October 8, 2015 4:32 AM

Let me guess, R128, you studied propaganda arts and disinformation strategies in college.

Math and science are on the side of 9/11 truth. A bunch of war-mongering insider traders are on R128's side.

by Anonymousreply 129October 8, 2015 4:38 AM

R129 Actually, I studied logical thinking. Which provided the tools to recognize a disturbed moron.

by Anonymousreply 130October 8, 2015 4:42 AM

For a mere $2.50 you can download this well-made, thorough, and easy-to-understand fifty-page pamphlet in which the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth lays out the irrefutable case for 9/11 being an "inside job."

My hat is off to you, R130, if you can identify and explain the errors in logic presented therein. I wouldn't want to go up against this many experts in all the relevant fields.

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by Anonymousreply 131October 8, 2015 4:48 AM

[quote]I am talking about abolishing the ideology; not muslims.

You can't "abolish" the ideology without "abolishing" the people, since they are one and the same. Islam re-enforced tribal social structures and was therefore readily integrated into what already existed. The ideology confirmed to its followers that they could be hate-filled, misogynist, homo-hating, and blood thirsty and Allah would be with them.

by Anonymousreply 132October 8, 2015 4:51 AM

R131 You're a raving lunatic, who does not need yet another poster to disprove what has been disproven on the many other threads on which you've posted the exact same horseshit.

by Anonymousreply 133October 8, 2015 4:52 AM

Some christians are very similar to ISIS.

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by Anonymousreply 134October 8, 2015 10:06 AM

There is something really grotesque about refusing to acknowledge how fundamentally anti-social Islam is, by bringing up some random crackpot pretending to be Christian to deflect blame from the actual culprits in this scenario, even though Christianity specifically condemns such hate and violence and Christian leaders and the overwhelming majority of global Christians condemn and protest it.

Face it. There is something wrong with Islam. This thread is not about searching for obscure crazies who call themselves Christian, this is about what is wrong with the core tenets of Islam, Islamic leadership around The World and the, either, approval or complacency of Muslims around the globe who look the other way or try to justify what's happening in Islam's name.

This is a global epidemic of collapsing, Islamic legitimacy -- everywhere -- based on, both, the terrible values of the religion and the terrible actions of its adherents; values that are fundamentally incompatible with humanity.

by Anonymousreply 135October 8, 2015 11:14 AM

Judeo-christianity and that includes Islam are problematic.

by Anonymousreply 136October 8, 2015 4:52 PM

If you live in the "West," Judeo-Christianity is at the foundation of all its values, regardless of whether they have become secularized over time. Among those are respect for one's individual worth and his or her own responsibility before the Almighty.

Islam approaches the question of the proper relationship of humans to the Supreme Deity from a whole different angle. You either follow the dictates of the Koran and Surahs to the letter or you are subject to enslavement or death.

by Anonymousreply 137October 8, 2015 6:18 PM

R137 "Free Will" is huge in Christianity. Islam means "submission".

by Anonymousreply 138October 8, 2015 6:19 PM

Thank you R135. and R137.

Glad to see some truthful, intellectually honest and sensible posts around here.

by Anonymousreply 139October 8, 2015 9:01 PM

[quote]You're a raving lunatic,

And you are a deliberate bonehead who couldn't pass a high school physics class.

by Anonymousreply 140October 8, 2015 9:05 PM

They seem to have a shocking amount of disrespect for gay men. I wonder why.

by Anonymousreply 141May 17, 2020 2:22 AM

The only good thing about the Trump administration was their going after our leaky borders. Though, like the rest of their policies, it was mostly a fail. Either do it right or don't do it at all.

by Anonymousreply 142May 17, 2020 3:05 AM

2015? Really? What's with this troll?

by Anonymousreply 143May 17, 2020 3:12 AM

They probably deserved it.

by Anonymousreply 144May 17, 2020 3:31 AM

BARBARIC CREATURES

by Anonymousreply 145May 17, 2020 3:35 AM

It's kinda like white vigilantes and sociopathic cops killing black people without repercussions in America, amirite?

by Anonymousreply 146May 17, 2020 3:40 AM

He's been in prison for the last five years, R143.

by Anonymousreply 147May 17, 2020 3:43 AM

For the love of Allah, r141, stop bumping all these fucking 2015 threads.

by Anonymousreply 148May 17, 2020 3:48 AM

[quote]amirite?

Uh, no R146 you're wrong. There are laws protecting the individual in the US. There are no laws protecting homosexuals in Muslim countries.

by Anonymousreply 149May 17, 2020 3:56 AM

Thread is from 2015. Why? Anti-Muslim sentiment from a troll looking to stir up trouble?

Please don’t respond to this.

by Anonymousreply 150May 17, 2020 3:59 AM
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