SHOOTING IN GUN-FREE AUSTRALIA LEAVES ‘AT LEAST TWO DEAD’

Amateurs.

Will the tears ever stop?

USA gun deaths per year: 33,169 (2013). Australia: 40 (2012)

When Australia moved to buy back 650,000 private guns in 1997-1998, the primary drop was not on homocide rate but on the suicide rate.

OP, if it were America there would be way more mass shootings. And you know it.

Two people dead doesn't even make the U.S. national news anymore.

I wondered how long it would be before some clown used this one incident - where the two dead were "just" the gunman (actually a 15 year old boy, shot by a cop) and the victim - to start screaming, "see, gun control doesn't work!!!" Nope, this situation is not even close to that in the U.S., but keep reaching, OP!

Stuff happens mate.

Everybody here is trying to work out how this 15 year old boy got a hand gun.

It has been labelled a terrorist attack by a young, disenfranchised Muslim boy.

[quote]Everybody here is trying to work out how this 15 year old boy got a hand gun.

Because when people are committed to the idea of gunning OTHER people down in cold blood...they WILL find a way.

Yeah that's a good comparison, OP.

God, you're an idiot.

"Because when people are committed to the idea of gunning OTHER people down in cold blood...they WILL find a way."

Apparently not, since the number of gun deaths in Australia is so small. And you are making an incorrect assumption that all murders involve a great deal of planning and premeditation. That is NOT true

If you look up the dictionary definition of "false equivalence", this thread pops up.

You can't end mass shootings in America because then the Iraq or Syria will get first place.

OP are you hiding your cache of guns from the gubmint anti-freedom division even as you type?

It takes a special kind of stupid to extrapolate one isolated incident into "well lookee here, seems like your fancy schmancy gun laws don't work boy hur dur herp derp"

There are more people shot in the US per DAY (approx. 7 per hour in fact) than in Australia in a whole YEAR. This is not something to be proud of.

Australia isn't gun free. You just need to have police checks before purchasing, have a valid reason for a weapon (being a member of a hunting or shooting club for instance) and have someone from law enforcement visit your property to ensure you have a gun safe for storage. If so, you can buy a gun - just not an automatic or semi automatic gun.

Wait, this kid was a muzzie?

[quote]Wait, this kid was a muzzie?

Do try and keep up dearie.

Australia is very tiny population wise, it has a very tiny area which isn't desert and is extremely isolated. Indeed the only large western city Perth is closer to Jakarta than Sydney. Only the East coast and south east coast and a small area around Perth, in the west is livable.

The fact that Obama doesn't realize this is very disturbing. He should know things like this. You can easily isolate guns in Australia but not in the US with its porous borders. Not to mention the fact how overwhelmingly similar everyone in Australia is.

"The fact that Obama doesn't realize this is very disturbing"

The fact that you don't understand statistics is disturbing. Homicides and suicides WENT DOWN after the news gun laws - if it was just a matter of being "isolated" the rate of gun deaths would stay the same

Bogans will be bogans

Australia isn't gun free, you just have to get a licence first. There are over 5m legally-held guns in a population of 25m.

Aside from that, Obama is very simplistic when he suggests gun control legislation will stop gun crime. It may have an effect (especially on suicides and rare "going postal" events) but even if the US adopted one of the strictest systems in the world, for example the UK system, firstly most of the people that currently have guns would still have them (the British system is actually far more liberal than Americans tend to assume, with 10m legally held guns in a population of 64m), and secondly the only people that obey laws are the law-abiding, and they're not the ones going around shooting people.

America's problem is gun culture, and that's well documented. Even back in the days when Europe (including the UK) had gun control laws that made Texas look effeminate, the US still had the highest gun crime in the developed world and they had the least. In the modern era, take a look at Norway and Sweden, which have massive rates of gun ownership yet very little gun crime. But no lacklustre politician looking or an easy soundbite to sell to the press is going to stand up and say the US a seachange in its culture that could take generations to mature.

Backing out a certain subset of gun crimes (black on black in urban centers) presents a different view.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. It has had 2,300+ shootings this year. Nearly 3 shootings per hour.

Banning guns will not fix this. Conceal carry by the majority will.

"Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country."

Texas has weak gun laws and Houston has a ton of crime. So there. If guns are hard to get in one state or city, people can just go to a nearby one....that's why we need to ban guns everywhere in America.

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You ignored the part about black on black urban crime.

If you exclude those numbers, America is one of the safest countries in the world.

Compare crime rates in cities with +1M people to the rest of the country.

The drug war, the welfare state and public schools have destroyed inner city black households, and are the source of most violent crime.

End the drug war, welfare and public schools and replace the latter two with community based assistance and education and the problems would quickly abate.

"The drug war, the welfare state and public schools have destroyed inner city black households"

The welfare state? Um, no. Pretty much every first world country has a safety net and yet it doesn't lead to mass shootings in those countries. And as for public schools, I don't think most of the kids attending Beverly Hills High School will grow up to be criminals - so maybe the real reason for crime is poverty, not public schools. Poor kids are not motivated to do well in school the way rich kids are, it's not about public schools but of course freepers have no ability to use logic. Oh, and plenty of rural, predominantly white areas have tons of welfare recipients.

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Don't be obtuse.

Typical socialist denial.

I thought that people all stood in a circle, held hands, and sang "Kumbaya" once the government confiscated all guys.