Is there a way we can combine the forces of Black Lives Matter and Gay Equal Rights?

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Some dumb queen will include the word "hung". African Americans don't have fond memories of that word.

No. Im a black gay guy and Ive experienced the most direct racism from other gay guys and the most direct homophobia from other black guys. Let both sides fight for their own merit.

"Black AND Gay Lives Matter" would be a cool slogan that everyone would embrace.

What a goodlooking couple in OP's pic.

The majority of blacks are severe homophobes. Heterosexual African-Americans would rather be shot in the head by racist cops than align themselves with anything involving equal rights for gays.

[R6] right because its the straight black people who enact and sign off on anti-gay laws. Go away racist!

What do we have in common? If you look at our political goals, we have no shared interests that unite us, unless you go so broad to say that cranky old white people don't like either of us, and that's not enough. This doesn't mean that the movements are opposed to one another, but it would be like if PETA and NOW joined forces; they'd just start fighting over whether they should fight animal testing or the patriarchy first, and accomplish even less than they actually do now.

The whole LGBTQXPIALADOCIOUS hybrid shows just how harmful it is to start combining groups that don't identify with one another. Why on earth would be do it again? Gays and lesbians always need more allies, but the last thing we need is more concrete alliances.

Do Black Lives Matter to other black people?

In the Chicago ghetto, not so much.

R3 is right. There's a time and place to focus on each--combining them at this moment will weaken both messages. As a white man, I vote for "Black Lives Matter." Gay rights are important, but the fight for rights isn't quite equivalent to the movement to stop police violence against black people. Yes, there's plenty of violence agaianst gay people--but less focus on the most common and public shame of the disregard for black lives right now.

[quote] right because its the straight black people who enact and sign off on anti-gay laws. Go away racist!

I don't think R6 said anything racist. The Mormons, the Roman Catholic church, and the black population were the greatest forces supporting Prop. 8 in California.

What r11 said.

Shhh R9, you're not supposed to mention that stuff...... but since you already did....

FBI murder statistics for 2013:

[quote]Race of victim - Black or African American

[quote]Total 2,491

[quote]Race of offender - Black or African American

[quote]Total 2,245

If the white gay racists who keep bringing up "black-on-black violence" and "black homophobia" had a brain they might be able to understand that black men have been brutalized by centuries of white supremacy. Brutalized men tend to take out their anger on those who they see as vulnerable - other black men, black women, gays. Black men feel emasculated by white domination and so feel especially threatened by male homosexuality (because gay = unmanly to most men). White supremacy is the root of all violence in the world today. Even the allegedly "Islamic" violence of ISIS would not exist without the illegal Western invasion of Iraq and the West's protection of the Saudi kingdom.

OP, if you want to unite Black Lives Matter and gay liberation, start by reading the revolutionary speech Huey P. Newton (of the Black Panthers) gave in 1970 in support of Women's Liberation and Gay Rights.

[quote]Is there a way we can combine the forces of Black Lives Matter and Gay Equal Rights ?

Certainly. Get enough black gays to acknowledge what they are. Let me know how it turns out.

OP, Black Lives Matter does not have common cause with gay rights. I can't think of anything short of aligning with the KKK that would be more damaging.

r16, the KKK and gay rights align every time you look in the mirror.

The post at r14 explains why blacks find it harder to come out and double their oppression in a racist homophobic society, and then right on cue, the ditzy KKKween at r15 chimes in "Why don't blacks come out?" In fact, the founders of Black Lives Matter like Darnell Moore and Deray McKesson are almost all openly gay.

We have a good thing going the last 20 years, let's not fuck it up with the shitshow that is #BLM.

NEWSFLASH!! most straight black people do NOT want to be associated with gays at all. Trust me on this.

Most blacks get very angry if you compare gay rights to the civil rights movement, Many are violently opposed to gays.

r19, correction. Most straight black people do not want to be associated with white gays because a lot of white gays are racist as fuck. Black people know that most of the founders of Black Lives Matter are openly gay/queer and respect that struggle.

[quote]OP, if you want to unite Black Lives Matter and gay liberation, start by reading the revolutionary speech Huey P. Newton (of the Black Panthers) gave in 1970 in support of Women's Liberation and Gay Rights.

Firstly, R14, thank you so much for this^. I'd honestly never heard of Huey P. Newton. What a powerful speech - and to think it was given in 1970 while the Civil Rights Movement was, in reality, still taking place. Amazing generosity of spirit from Newton.

Secondly, yes, homosexuality is still considered a negative in good deal of the African American community. But, let's not mess around here. In multiple surveys of potential voters both before and after the passage of Prop 8, disapproval of homosexuality was shown to be directly connected to religiosity - regardless of race. The more religious a person was, the more likely s/he was to oppose homosexuality. And, as we all probably know, the African American community has a higher degree of religiosity than the white community. In fact, African Americans are considered the most religious population of all major ethnic groups in the country - just check out Pew surveys if you don't believe me. And a large portion of those African Americans belong to Baptist churches which are especially vehement in their condemnation of homosexuality. This is not some ingrown prejudice that's somehow natural to black people; it's a product of religious hatred, drilled into generations upon generations of church goers. And if you have any black friends - especially black friends from the south - you know that even for those people who don't really consider themselves religious, the views of their families and social circles can be heavily influential.

And you can look back to the age of slavery in this country for why so many black people turned to the church for hope and salvation. It was one of the few institutions that was theirs. And in a country in which they were treated like second class citizens - if they were even treated as citizens at all, a place of acceptance to call your own can be a powerful thing.

which porn is the photo in OP from? they're hot i wanna see them fuck.

No fank you. Black Lives Matter is often an embarrassment.

r14, thanks for the video.

r22, great post.

r22, in my experience, the statistics which show African Americans to be the most religious population can be misleading because religiosity among African Americans is more cultural than doctrinal - attending church on Sunday, singing uplifting gospel songs. White church attendance is more seriously scripture-based and fundamentalist, with bible study etc. In the Huey P. Newton speech, he mentions that he is not bothered by female homosexuality, but male homosexuality is a threat to his masculinity. That is the root of homophobia amongst men in general, and the black community in particular where black men have been emasculated by enslavement and white domination. It is not religious dogma but the fear of unmanliness/effeminacy that drives homophobia in men, especially men of color who already feel vulnerable in a white-controlled world.

[quote]In fact, the founders of Black Lives Matter like Darnell Moore and Deray McKesson are almost all openly gay.

Link to this?

If it weren't for the white male, this world of ours would be one of mile and honey. White men are the root of all evil.

The only time I have ever been involved in a verbal beat down by my close circle of mostly black friends was when I naively stated that I would think that they would have a greater sense of empathy for L&Gs and their struggle for equal rights. Honestly, had I walked in with a David Duke for president button I doubt it would have caused such a ruckus. I learned my lesson FAST.

Last I checked, a lot of the BLM platform has already been co-opted by a push for trans rights exclusively when it comes to LGBT issues. If 'white gays' or gays at all turn up they'll react like an angry cobra.

We could at least organize a march together or a rally.

R26 - religiosity is defined by more than regular church attendance, but you do make a good point - that homophobia in the African American community is not solely a product of religious indoctrination. All that said, if most people - including the African American community - was freed from the tyranny of organized religion, overt homophobia would not thrive. Or, you know, at least let the Unitarian Universalists become the dominant church in the country. Yeah, we'd all be eating more granola and spending our weekends composting and discussing identity politics, but it would be a hell of a lot better than Catholics, baptists, methodists, evangelicals, muslim fundamentalists, Orthodox Judaism etc.

Don't let the gorgeous gospel music fool you, there is PLENTY of literal scriptural interpretations and fundamentalism in black churches, too.

Their agendas are as similar as gays & trans !! OP is ridiculous

Without having seen it, I'm willing to bet any amount of money that the black guy is the top in the video depicted in the original post.

Actually, R2, the word blacks don't have fond memories of is "hanged."

huh?

R3, my black bi and gay friends told me the exact same thing when I asked them how they feel about black lives matter, and LGBT rights, etc. They did say how they experienced a lot of homophobia biphobia and even racism not from white LGBT people or white heterosexuals, but from Asian and even other black people both heterosexual and gay.

R28, no it would not, that's revisionist history. Or are you trolling? Even before European and Arabic colonialism in sub-saharan African countries there was still a lot of fighting between tribes, and tribes would enslave each other. Even during the slave trade-which still happens today as Arabs still enslave people who are black from African and even Asian countries to go work in Middle Eastern countries where they basically have no rights compared to the rich insanely wealthy Arabs-you had black tribes enslaving other tribes and giving them to Europeans to be brought over to South America, the Carribean, and North America as slaves.

BLM attacked Democratic candidates only.

They are rightwing covert shills.