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That rumour about Charlie Sheen fucking Corey Haim on the set of "Lucas"

...is pretty much confirmed as fact by now, isn't it?

When you combine this quote from Corey Feldman's memoir:

[quote]Within hours of our first meeting, we found ourselves talking about "Lucas", the film he made in the summer of 1985, the role I had wanted for myself. At some point during the filming, he explained an adult male convinced him that it was perfectly normal for older men and younger boys in the business to have sexual relations, that it was what all "guys do". So they walked off to a secluded area between two trailers, during a lunch break for the cast and crew, and Haim, innocent and ambitious as he was, allowed himself to be sodomized. [...] [That man] [bold]walks around, one of the most successful people in the entertainment industry, still making money hand over fist[/bold]

with this older quote from him:

[quote]Well I have to be completely honest and say, I'm not a huge fan of Charlie Sheen. I don't make it my goal to ever talk badly in the press, we're all in it together, that's the way I look at it, but Charlie in particular, [bold]especially the way that he's affected other people that I know — point blank, Charlie and Corey started their careers pretty much together, and Corey fought for his entire life to recover from those early experiences and to get his life together[/bold]

and with the fact that the rumour was already around years before either of those quotes, I'd say there isn't much room for debate.

by Anonymousreply 20406/03/2017

Sheen would fuck his own mother.

by Anonymousreply 104/05/2014

[quote]So they walked off to a secluded area between two trailers, during a lunch break for the cast and crew, and Haim, innocent and ambitious as he was, allowed himself to be sodomized.

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 204/05/2014

Think he ever raped Emilio?

by Anonymousreply 304/05/2014

Charlie Sheen fucked Corey?

This is one crazy with him and the Franco stories!

by Anonymousreply 404/05/2014

I thought the same.

And really, datalounge is not too bad gossip wise. No idea where that rumor came from exactly, but it was there.

by Anonymousreply 504/05/2014

Translating both of Feldman's statements:

"Why didn't he want to fuck me?"

by Anonymousreply 604/05/2014

So when CS is around young actors, one can expect popped cherries?

by Anonymousreply 704/05/2014

Corey Feldman: always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

by Anonymousreply 804/05/2014

Sheen was 6 years older than Haim. Haim was 15 in 1986 and Sheen was 21. Feldman said that Haim and Sheen started their careers out together but then he says that Haim let Sheen fuck him because he was naive and ambitious. This doesn't add up. Haim was savvy enough to understand that sex with men would advance his career. He was ambitious enough to let his costar fuck him. If both of those statements are true, why would he allow his 21 year old costar who had no more of a career than he did to fuck him. It's not like Sheen was an established actor or powerful director. Sheen just his 21 year old costar and there was no power differential. Feldman's account describes consensual sex between peers of equal power.

by Anonymousreply 904/05/2014

When I first read that rumor here I assumed it was just made up gossip...then when I read Haim's account I wondered if it was true.

Btw, Didn't Denise Richards say something about Charlie looking at child porn during their marriage?

by Anonymousreply 1004/05/2014

[quote]Feldman's account describes consensual sex between peers of equal power.

True. But Feldman, for whatever reasons, insists on forcing it into a not-so-subtly homophobic narrative of Haim being "seduced to the dark side".

The contortions he has to perform to make it fit manifest themselves in his ridiculous language. "Innocent and ambitious as he was" - doesn't he realize how self-contradictory that is?

by Anonymousreply 1104/05/2014

Sheen and Haim were not "peers of equal power." Sheen was incredibly well-connected in Hollywood due to his family. If anything, that makes the supposed promises of career advancement more plausible.

by Anonymousreply 1204/05/2014

I have a terrible memory in general but I remember when I first was active on the internet I frequented the Is He/She Gay bulletin board and Sheen stories were frequent and detailed, and involved both sexes.

Now in his defense, the stuff on that board back then was so crazy it could've been all fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 1304/05/2014

Just because the OP has put those two statements together doesn't make them linked. Someone older and more powerful took advantage of Haim, but I'm guessing they're not famous. Maybe a director or producer or agent. Someone who was able to convince a young guy that having sex with minors was all part of the business and he better keep his mouth shut about it.

Charlie Sheen was a 21 year old guy with no career at that stage. Charlie Sheen however liked drugs and I'm guessing probably came across as wild and fun so "cool" Charlie may have introduced naive Corey to drugs. Corey Haim always said he first tried pot when he was on the set of Lucas. That's what I think Feldman is alluding to in the second paragraph. An older more street wise Charlie Sheen introduced teenaged Haim to drugs and he spent the rest of life being consumed by them.

by Anonymousreply 1404/05/2014

[quote] when when I read Haim's account I wondered if it was true.

What did Haim say?

by Anonymousreply 1504/05/2014

more DL lies . OP needs a LIFE

by Anonymousreply 1604/05/2014

I think it was Courtney Thorne-Smith who sodomized Haim.

by Anonymousreply 1704/05/2014

R12 Wouldn't be obvious to Haim that Sheen's great connections hadn't taken him any further than Haim's own lack of connections had taken him. Sheen would have been promising something that he obviously wasn't at that point able to do for himself. Either way Feldman's statements don't describe rape; which I thought the rumor was that Haim had experienced a traumatic rape. This account doesn't sound very traumatic. Perhaps Feldman chose the wrong words. Based upon this account, I'm not sure why Haim would spend the rest of his life getting over this. Was the sex with 21 year old Sheen that bad. Obviously, I'm being a bit inappropriate here. I certainly don't condone sex with 15 year old boys.

by Anonymousreply 1804/05/2014

Sheen had the looks and the name to get pussy. Granted, he's a sex addict, but that wouldn't account for fucking Haim. If this happened, then I think that Sheen took a dislike to Haim on set, and Haim may have realized too late that what he thought was going to be a consensual romp that might open some Hollywood doors was actually going to be a pain-filled hate fuck.

by Anonymousreply 1904/05/2014

[quote]Btw, Didn't Denise Richards say something about Charlie looking at child porn during their marriage?

Yes she did, after divorce during the drawn out fight over custody and support. He fired back quickly, trotting out his Brooke Muller and his PR people, painting her as overly emotional and lacking judgement.

by Anonymousreply 2004/05/2014

"Sheen had the looks and the name to get pussy."

What does this have to do with getting pussy?! You can "get pussy" and still rape someone.

by Anonymousreply 2104/05/2014

[quote]which I thought the rumor was that Haim had experienced a traumatic rape.

No, I think that was people misinterpteting the rumors. First I heard about Sheen and Haim it was something about a first blowjob on the set of Lucas.

When Haim said on TV that Feldman knew he was raped at 14 "so to speak" people were guessing Sheen because of the former rumors. So that's how the word rape got in. Anyway, Haim was definitely not talking about anyone from the Lucas set that quote. Feldman talks a lot about the guy in question in his book. Apparently it's a fat actor from "Friday the 13th" and quite a good friend of Feldman (as Haim pointed out on the show). Feldman doesn't give his real name, but it should be easy to find out. No one famous though, so no one cares.

I think the OP got it right in that Sheen might have been the first one in the industry to have sex with an underaged Haim, as far as Feldman knows. Btw it's not fucking homophibic to be against the abuse of child/teen actors. Unless you openly support sexual abuse of female child/teen actors at the same time, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 2204/05/2014

Haim didn't have a sucessful career to protect before he died in 2010. Feldman certainly doesn't have a career to protect now.

If it's true - why all the secrecy. Why stand by and let some guy walk around and rape 15 year old boys today?

More believable explanation Haim was fucked up. He'd lied to rationalize his own problems.

Feldman found a way to make some money - and jumped on it.

Like that cliched advice given to medical students.

When you hear hoof-beats think horses not zebras.

by Anonymousreply 2304/05/2014

Sexual exploitation of young actors in Hollywood, legal or not, IS "horses" and you are an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 2404/05/2014

And lying about being sexually abused to get attention and sympathy IS zebras. Zebras exist, but...

I can't even fathom how stupid a person would have to be to turn this in its head like r23 and with such confidence. Like common sense obviously suggests that no one would ever take advantage of a young teeanger, least of all in the entertainment industry!

by Anonymousreply 2504/05/2014

R24 R25 - if you know so much about this why are you sitting on your asses and not doing anything about it?

I have confidence because the story comes with no credible evidence.

For example evidence that it is more common for teenage actors to be sexually abused than not?

by Anonymousreply 2604/05/2014

"If it's true - why all the secrecy. Why stand by and let some guy walk around and rape 15 year old boys today?"

Most sex crimes are never reported - whether the perp is famous or not.

by Anonymousreply 2704/05/2014

Feldman clearly says "adult male". Sheen would not have been consider that, seeing that he was playing a high school student with Haim. Apparently, it was some adult on the production, who took Haim behind the trailers and blew him,(Sheen would have had his own trailer, why would he bring someone behind them?). It was oral, do you think some adult would have fucked the star kid of the movie during the day during the production?

Feldman states more than once that Haim made passes at him through the years and even said he had sex with guys in the next room while Feldman waited for him. Haim was gay but Feldman alludes that it was the molestation, and wouldn't admit to himself that his best friend was just plain old gay.

There are straight guys and there are pussyhounds and Sheen is a card carrying pussyhound.

by Anonymousreply 2804/05/2014

"There are straight guys and there are pussyhounds and Sheen is a card carrying pussyhound"

Marlon Brando was a "pussyhound" but he fucked guys, too.

by Anonymousreply 2904/05/2014

[bold]Is R28 for real

by Anonymousreply 3004/05/2014

Feldman said he believes Haim was bi. He wasn't plain gay, at least he didn't act this way. He had lots of sex with girls, had girlfriends, tried to marry. There is little reason to just accept that he was plain gay.

Anyway, gay, bi or straight, people, especially kids, can be taken advantage of. HAIM claimed (at least some of) it was molestation when he was an adult.

The guy who had this fucked up relationship with Haim that Haim later described as "rape, so to speak"(which he claimed to have already told Feldman back when it was happening, trying to get help) wasn't old, he was in his 20s, I believe. Same with the guy, his PA, Feldman says molested him for months. You don't have to be 50+ to take advantage of a teen.

I know that there can be legitimate relationships between 20 somethings and teens too. The difference is whether the teen is truly willing. Plus if we are talking about 14 yo's it's kind of iffy most of the time.

by Anonymousreply 3104/06/2014

[quote]For example evidence that it is more common for teenage actors to be sexually abused than not?

Sadly this might actually be the case, but what I was saying is that if a teenage actor claims to have been abused it's a thousand more times likely that they are speaking the truth than lying. It's much more likely when any men makes such a claim, really any person, but in Hollywood there is especially little reason to doubt.

One of the people Feldman accuses of having sex with young Haim is Martin Weiss, who spent his entire career managing child actors and is now in prison for child molestation. He was Feldman's on set guardian during The Lost Boys in stead of a parent.

It's really more likely that Feldman is holding back sordid facts than that he is making them up.

There also was this article asking ex-child stars about Feldman's claims, and that woman from "Little House in the Praerie" said that everybody was talking about how everyone had the Coreys, when they were still underaged.

by Anonymousreply 3204/06/2014

Gee...some boys have all the luck.

by Anonymousreply 3304/06/2014

Pedo Martin Weiss:

by Anonymousreply 3404/06/2014

Didn't Charlie fuck Michael J Fox behind the bushes at a Hollywood party.

by Anonymousreply 3504/06/2014

That's a bold statement.

by Anonymousreply 3604/06/2014

Is it wrong to think that's kinda hot?

by Anonymousreply 3704/06/2014

Darling, you can't rape a townie.

by Anonymousreply 3804/06/2014

[quote]Btw it's not fucking homophibic to be against the abuse of child/teen actors. Unless you openly support sexual abuse of female child/teen actors at the same time, I guess.

Read Feldman's statements in context. He says that the "abuse" on the set of "Lucas" is the reason why Haim later wanted to have sex with Feldman, and with other guys. The way he presents it, "allowing himself to be sodomized" by Sheen(?) turned Haim into an oversexed gay/bi kid - when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that he's confusing cause and effect here.

If that's not a perpetuation of the ancient, homophobic seduction theory of homosexuality, I don't know what is.

by Anonymousreply 3904/06/2014

[/bold](This should end the bold.)

by Anonymousreply 4004/06/2014

There was a rumor that Charlie Sheen was pursuing that nerdy (but supposedly hung) Ben Salisbury from that old show "The Nanny" until Fran Drescher's ex-husband stepped in and banned Charlie from dropping by the set. Being a gay himself he probably saw through Charlie wanting to "mentor" and pal around with the much younger actor.... at that time Charlie would have been almost 30, so maybe he had developed a lasting taste for teen boy cherries.

by Anonymousreply 4104/06/2014

Sheen has one child after the next, he never actually takes care of them, probably a pedo.

But it was probably a well known producer, who had sex with Corey.

by Anonymousreply 4204/06/2014

Didn't Feldman say on a talk show that it was a casting director?

by Anonymousreply 4304/06/2014

R41, I want to hear more about Ben Salisbury being hung.

by Anonymousreply 4404/06/2014

[b]AIDS was rampant then, no one would fuck an obvious AIDS boy back then [b]

by Anonymousreply 4504/06/2014

Can you imagine that?

Sheen) Let's fuck

Corey) OK

Sheen) I meant the good looking Cory

Corey) I'm good looking

Sheen) No, um, you're awful

Corey) I want a career

Sheen) Fuck Michael Jackson

Corey) He threw me over once I got pubes

Sheen) Yeah well go fuck Madam's nose

Corey) He has AIdS

Sheen) Fuck off ugly Corey, I want hot Corey

Haim) Yeah come on Charlie, let's get Emilio and go off to the back lot and walk around without our shirts on

Corey) Drat.

by Anonymousreply 4604/06/2014

What's this about Charlie Sheen and the kid from The Nanny?

by Anonymousreply 4704/06/2014

oi

by Anonymousreply 4804/06/2014

former porn "actress" who was one of Sheen's goddesses during his Tiger Blood phase has said that Sheen is poz.

From his current appearance, that doesn't seem far fetched. If anyone is interested

www.DiaryofAHollywoodStreetKing.com

It is the lead thread.

by Anonymousreply 4904/06/2014

Martin Weiss is a great example.

One man who was arrested and convicted when two of his victims came forward. Contradicting a theory which involves influential people covering up child abuse in the entertainment industry.

No one has presented any evidence that sexual abuse of underage actors is pervasive.

The Roman Catholic Church couldn't keep their pedophile scandal a secret. As powerful and influential as you might think the entertainment industry is - it's nothing compared to the Roman Catholic Church.

I have no doubt that Haim and Feldman had difficult lives - they both clearly struggled with addiction. They both might have been sexually abused as children.

Let's put it in context.

This all comes to the light of day on a reality TV show. Which was a last ditch effort by two grown-up child actors whose careers were in the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 5004/06/2014

"It's not like Sheen was an established actor or powerful director. Sheen just his 21 year old costar and there was no power differential."

Sheen was from Hollywood royalty. It's the same reason Catherine Zeta-Jones married Michael Douglas. Connecting with Hollywood royalty can boost your career.

by Anonymousreply 5104/06/2014

Feldman also said that Haim was sexualy abused when he was 11. He said it a few times during the promotion for his book. I think he's holding back on some details.

When the 2 Coreys aired on TV, people in the Haim's imdb board were claiming that the BJ story on the set of Lucas was true and that Haim was abused by two different people. I think Feldman wrote in his book about things that were already out there but kept out of it things that Haim told only him. He still slipped in interviews, which makes it confusing.

by Anonymousreply 5204/06/2014

It makes one wonder if there's more behind Angus' bitter statements about Two and a Half Men wallowing in sleazy sex and him jumping on the fundamentalist religion bandwagon.

by Anonymousreply 5304/06/2014

[quote]Apparently it's a fat actor from "Friday the 13th" and quite a good friend of Feldman (as Haim pointed out on the show). Feldman doesn't give his real name, but it should be easy to find out. No one famous though, so no one cares.

That's the guy who me that Feldman told him that Haim was "molested" by Sheen while filming "Lucas".

by Anonymousreply 5404/06/2014

Sheen is not a molester nor a 'mo.

As Luke Perry told Peter from the Family Guy

"I'm not gay, but if I was I could get a lot hotter gay guy than you."

by Anonymousreply 5504/06/2014

R50 wrote: [quote]Martin Weiss was... one man who was arrested and convicted when two of his victims came forward. Contradicting a theory which involves influential people covering up child abuse in the entertainment industry.

You're joking, right? His victim came forward after he turned 18 to report Weiss's molestation when he was 11. That's eleven. And Weiss claimed the child "wanted it".

That's just one example. Jason James (see link in story below) is another. These guys operated with impunity for years. You think that's possible without massive collusion?

You can't be that idiotic, so the real question is why you're so invested in defending these scumbags.

by Anonymousreply 5604/06/2014

Is there anyone who was involved in the production of "Lucas" who could be described as "one of the most successful people in the entertainment industry, still making money hand over fist", apart from Sheen?

by Anonymousreply 5704/06/2014

"That's just one example. Jason James (see link in story below) is another. These guys operated with impunity for years. You think that's possible without massive collusion?"

Wow, you really don't know much about child abuse and sex crimes. Most molesters, whether they are in showbiz or not, get away with it for years not because of "collusion" but because most victims don't tell.

by Anonymousreply 5804/06/2014

It was probably some old dude but Feldman leaves it open and probably wants people to speculate that it's Sheen because he's such a stunt queen.

by Anonymousreply 5904/06/2014

Correction, R8, about Corey Feldman.

Always a brahs-maid, never a brah.

by Anonymousreply 6004/06/2014

"It was probably some old dude but Feldman leaves it open and probably wants people to speculate that it's Sheen because he's such a stunt queen."

Unless you have heard the rumors about Sheen you wouldn't guess that it was him.

by Anonymousreply 6104/06/2014

Haim was very hot when he was younger. Such a tragedy.

by Anonymousreply 6204/06/2014

Sheen is one very sick motherfucker...but I'm still guessing a chickenhawk producer.

by Anonymousreply 6304/06/2014

I agree - Feldman hates Sheen because Sheen is the one who turned Haim on to drugs - but it was a producer or director or someone in power who fucked Haim.

by Anonymousreply 6404/06/2014

The Sheen defenses here are amazing. Apparently the rigid homophobia among some posters can't get them past the fact that Charlie is as infamous a fucker (of everything, but especially minds and spirits) as one can find in Hollywood, outside the boy users in hip-hop and related environs.

Quit questioning the Sheen-Haim shit. And Corey got passed around after this more than once. No, Sheen's not gay. He is (or was, when he had a working penis) a sadistic bastard who wanted to take anyone he could get, so long as it expressed macho power.

by Anonymousreply 6504/06/2014

Before he was a sadistic bastard, he was a gay pretty boy. Quit defending that old homo!

by Anonymousreply 6608/26/2015

When I was fifteen, I would have loved to have been ass fucked by the 1985 version of Charlie Sheen.

by Anonymousreply 6708/26/2015

[quote]It makes one wonder if there's more behind Angus' bitter statements about Two and a Half Men wallowing in sleazy sex and him jumping on the fundamentalist religion bandwagon.

That's an interesting theory.

by Anonymousreply 6808/26/2015

You don't suppose Joel Schumacher had sex with Haim, do you?

by Anonymousreply 6908/26/2015

R69, If I were a betting man, I'd lay my odds on "Yes".

by Anonymousreply 7008/26/2015

Corey Haim age 22.

by Anonymousreply 7108/26/2015

[quote] The Sheen defenses here are amazing. Apparently the rigid homophobia among some posters can't get them past the fact that Charlie is as infamous a fucker (of everything, but especially minds and spirits) as one can find in Hollywood, outside the boy users in hip-hop and related environs.

So anyone who doesn't accept this rumor as fact is homophobic? Yeah that makes perfect sense.

by Anonymousreply 7208/26/2015

Feldman needs to name names or shut up.

by Anonymousreply 7308/26/2015

Woody Allen is a sick perverted rapist but Haim and Sheen had a consensual affair? Ham was under the age of consent,Sheen broke the law. For him and other child molesters like ephebophile priests there should be one option: jail.

by Anonymousreply 7408/26/2015

Sheen would fuck a squirrel if he were high enough, and I don't doubt that he's sucked a cock or two, but his life is also such a train wreck that if he had a string of underage male conquests in his past that news would have come out by now. He's written so many checks to keep the females in his life happy that surely we would have heard about some he wrote to males.

I think the blind item is talking about a producer or a studio exec.

by Anonymousreply 7508/26/2015

Feldman would only know what Haim told him and its not uncommon for rape victims to downplay their experiences. Anyway not surprised child exploitation is rife in the entertainment industry; look how many pedophile scandals the UK has had recently.

by Anonymousreply 7608/26/2015

"but his life is also such a train wreck that if he had a string of underage male conquests in his past that news would have come out by now."

Not necessarily. Cosby's rapes were kept under wraps for 40 years

by Anonymousreply 7708/26/2015

Jimmy Savile's crimes didn't come to light until after his death and he was a serial and very brazen child molester/rapist.

by Anonymousreply 7808/26/2015

Feldman is lying dirtbag.

Throws these parties at his house with half naked girls and charges older men cash to party with them.

Also, a somewhat popular 18 year old vine star told me when he first moved to LA about six months ago, he met Corey about a week after arriving. He invited him to his house. He ended up spending the night. At 8am, a girl bursts into the room and demands the vine star come in Corey's room. Corey is there and Corey's wife is naked on the bed. He demands the vine star fuck his wife. Being 18, str8 and horny, he does. Corey films it on his phone.

by Anonymousreply 7908/26/2015

[quote] Also, a somewhat popular 18 year old vine star told me when he first moved to LA about six months ago, he met Corey about a week after arriving. He invited him to his house. He ended up spending the night. At 8am, a girl bursts into the room and demands the vine star come in Corey's room. Corey is there and Corey's wife is naked on the bed. He demands the vine star fuck his wife. Being 18, str8 and horny, he does. Corey films it on his phone.

Feldman divorced his wife in 2014.

by Anonymousreply 8008/26/2015

R9 Sheen had major connections. His father was a major big deal. Who knows..

by Anonymousreply 8108/26/2015

[quote] If that's not a perpetuation of the ancient, homophobic seduction theory of homosexuality, I don't know what is.

It's not myth, though. Almost all of my gay male friends were sexually molested as minors and suffered into adulthood because of its presumed connection to their adult homosexuality. I don't know that childhood molestation is at all connected to homosexuality but it's an unsettling statistic that the great majority of gay men were victims of childhood sex abuse.

by Anonymousreply 8208/26/2015

R82, I was never sexually molested.

My mother and her sisters grew up being sexually abused, some of them as young as age 5, by their stepfather. My mom basically lost her virginity when she was 7 years old. None of them grew up to be gay.

By comparison, when my sister was 4, one time when our uncle was visiting, he penetrated her with his finger. Nobody in our family believes that that had anything to do with her growing up to like women. She had always been an extreme tomboy, always being mistaken for a boy, etc.

by Anonymousreply 8308/26/2015

[quote] Almost all of my gay male friends were sexually molested as minors and suffered into adulthood because of its presumed connection to their adult homosexuality.

What r82 means is they were sexually active as teenagers. Again, he's confusing cause and effect, leading to homophobic conclusions.

by Anonymousreply 8408/27/2015

[quote] What [R82] means is they were sexually active as teenagers. Again, he's confusing cause and effect, leading to homophobic conclusions.

That's not what I meant. I was sexually molested by a older teenage male for 2 years starting when I was 5. I am a gay male. I'd always assumed I was gay because I was molested. I've sought help for my childhood trauma and understand that there may be no causal link between my molestation and my homosexuality. I was also a sexually active teenager and I know the difference.

I have more than a dozen gay male friends, who I've encountered as an adult (yes, some in childhood trauma support group settings) who were also molested by men as children -- not teenagers -- at a time when they would not have been sexually active. Not trying to promote homophobia but it happens more than we're likely to admit. The truth can be more inconvenient for some than others.

by Anonymousreply 8508/27/2015

R82 you are the exception, then. Almost none of my gay male acquaintances were molested as children.

The males that I know that HAVE been molested as children are 1). straight-identified and 2). the ones that are deeply and overtly homophobic.

You've met these men through a support group, so of course your perspective is skewed. But you and your demographic are hardly the norm - so please don't perpetuate the stereotype.

by Anonymousreply 8608/27/2015

I thought Corey Haim was open about his bisexuality?

by Anonymousreply 8708/27/2015

That makes a lot of sense, R68. Also puts the firing of TigerBlood in context.

by Anonymousreply 8808/27/2015

[quote] Sheen was incredibly well-connected in Hollywood due to his family.

He was connected but at the time the connection only went from Martin Sheen down to his sons not backward.

Charlie and Emilio couldn't boast all they want about their family but they had no say. In other words Martin could use his influence to help Charlie and Emilio but Charlie and Emilio didn't have enough influence to get Martin a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

by Anonymousreply 8908/27/2015

R82, there are no legit statistics showing that the great majority of gay men were molested. If you want anecdotes none of the Jerry Sandusky victims or Michael Jackson victims are gay.

I'll never understand why people think a guy who is hardwired to find women attractive will magically morph into a Kinsey 6 because an old guy groped him

by Anonymousreply 9008/27/2015

Is R82 for real? I can't believe he got away unscathed. This site must be changing a lot.

by Anonymousreply 9108/27/2015

Too bad all that fucking did nothing for Haim's career ...

by Anonymousreply 9208/27/2015

bump

by Anonymousreply 9308/27/2015

I guess this wat all the drama is about R92. He got fucked to further his career, and his career went down the shitter.

by Anonymousreply 9408/27/2015

He gave me the AIDS

by Anonymousreply 9511/03/2015

Do you think that Feldman still feels like it was rape? Because by social standards, it was rape. And Corey is fucking dead and there is no one to see about that.

by Anonymousreply 9611/03/2015

[quote] Quit questioning the Sheen-Haim shit. And Corey got passed around after this more than once.

[quote] He says that the "abuse" on the set of "Lucas" is the reason why Haim later wanted to have sex with Feldman, and with other guys. The way he presents it, "allowing himself to be sodomized" by Sheen(?) turned Haim into an oversexed gay/bi kid - when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that he's confusing cause and effect here.

I had to search for this thread, after watching "The Lost Boys" this past weekend.

The chemistry between Corey Haim and Jason Patric is insane. They play brothers, but they are very touchy feely with each other, and at one point while they're talking to each other, their faces are so close to each other that it looks like they're going to kiss!

I'm actually starting to wonder if Corey carried on with more than just Charlie Sheen?

Corey acted in movies with quite a few hot guys who were slightly older than he was. And many of these stars are still *single* - like Jason Patric.

Charlie Sheen, Kiefer Sutherland, Matthew Broderick, Jason Patric, Andrew McCarthy and many other hot young actors from the 80's have always had some type of gay rumors surrounding them.

The fact that Charlie just happened to prefer them younger, doesn't surprise me one bit.

Keep in mind, Charlie and Jason were both only five years older than Corey, so it's not beyond the pale of imagination that if they were into younger guys, that Corey Haim would fit the bill.

by Anonymousreply 9711/03/2015

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 9811/03/2015

Hell, I would have let Sheen fuck me when I was 14.

by Anonymousreply 9911/03/2015

Is this scene from Lucas?

by Anonymousreply 10011/03/2015

Bump

by Anonymousreply 10111/16/2015

It isn't uncommon at all for sex offenders to target a gay kid or a kid uncertain of his sexuality. Sex offenders seek out vulnerable or marginalized children and adolescents. It isn't that being a victim of sexual abuse somehow made these children gay-- it's that a sick predator deliberately exploited a kid who was gay to begin with.

If the victims feel shame in the aftermath of this abuse, they may conflate the shame triggered by their sexual exploitation with their natural sexual development; hence the confusing and mistaken notion that experiencing abuse created or reinforced their sexual identity. Any shame of course belongs solely to the perpetrators of the abuse. And if you don't believe that a man who is capable of the sort of extreme and violent abuse that Charlie Sheen has doled out to his female partners over the years isn't capable of assaulting a teenaged boy, you are painfully naive.

by Anonymousreply 10211/16/2015

R102 nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 10311/17/2015

Denise Richards claimed that she saw Charlie Sheen looking at gay porn, and the performers MAY have been underage.

The point is, Charlie is like Bryan Singer, he likes them barely legal.

But he's not a pedophile in the sense that he's into prepubescent children.

by Anonymousreply 10411/23/2015

[quote] At some point during the filming, he explained an adult male convinced him that it was perfectly normal for older men and younger boys in the business to have sexual relations, that it was what all "guys do". So they walked off to a secluded area between two trailers, during a lunch break for the cast and crew, and Haim, innocent and ambitious as he was, allowed himself to be sodomized.

What a story. Everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at her rear end...

by Anonymousreply 10511/24/2015

In The Lost Boys, it's fairly obvious that Haim's character is supposed to be gay. He dresses differently than the other boys, and you can clearly see a Rob Lowe poster on his bedroom wall. The scene where he takes a bath and sings showtunes(perhaps? That's how I'm remembering it, but haven't seen it in awhile) is a bit creepy, considering Schumacher's reputation.

by Anonymousreply 10611/24/2015

[quote]The chemistry between Corey Haim and Jason Patric is insane. They play brothers, but they are very touchy feely with each other, and at one point while they're talking to each other, their faces are so close to each other that it looks like they're going to kiss!

You do realize their faces are so close is because there is someone on the set called a director who told them be get so close. That director would be one flaming Joel Schumacher who single handedly killed the Batman franchise by over gaying it with bat nipples and such. So don't put too much into Corey and Jason being so close.

by Anonymousreply 10711/24/2015

[quote]Quit questioning the Sheen-Haim shit. And Corey got passed around after this more than once.

My, you sound like a big ole bag of damaged goods.

by Anonymousreply 10811/24/2015

Dunno. Sheen was only 21 and just starting his career, so I'm getting hung up on the "older men" bit. Sounds more like it was someone over 30

by Anonymousreply 10911/24/2015

A 21 year old fucking a 15 year old makes the 21 year old guilty of statutory rape. It doesn't matter who was top.

by Anonymousreply 11011/24/2015

Interesting client list. Look how bad C. Thomas Howell looks.

by Anonymousreply 11111/24/2015

I wonder how many jobs Ballard is getting Dick Van Patten thes days...

by Anonymousreply 11211/24/2015

"It isn't uncommon at all for sex offenders to target a gay kid or a kid uncertain of his sexuality."

I don't understand what you are talking about

by Anonymousreply 11311/24/2015

Did this really happen?

by Anonymousreply 11403/08/2016

So lucky! to have charlie at his hottest

by Anonymousreply 11503/08/2016

Um he was raped/sexually abused 115, if it actually did happen.

by Anonymousreply 11603/08/2016

What are those gay rumors about Kiefer?

by Anonymousreply 11703/08/2016

What does happen is that people who are molested/raped often feel the need to have similar sex, recreate the experience to give themselves the illusion of control over their body and sex life by slutty and high risk behavior. Pretty much telling themselves and the world they wanted and initiated it all along. Therefore it would make sense that some Kinsey 1 or 2s could have been turned into Kinsey 3 or 4s. It's not the hard-wiring that chances but the behavior. For someone like Haim that is absolutely a possibility with everything you hear about his abuse and his later self destructive "pass around bottom at drug parties" lifestyle. Those are not healthy choices based on natural desires.

by Anonymousreply 11803/09/2016

R118, that is not true. A guy who is raped doesn't magically turn gay or bi because he was raped. And he won't start seeking out gay sex unless he was into it before the rape. I know straight guys who were abused by men....they are still straight and have no interest in the homosex.

by Anonymousreply 11903/09/2016

R118's assumptions are not backed by science or statistics

by Anonymousreply 12003/09/2016

r118 r119 Did it ever occur to you that you may both be right? Sexuality is fluid. The way sexual abuse as a child plays into your sexuality as an adult is even more nuanced. There are no absolutes where this is concerned. My BF was sexually abused by a man for 7 years of his childhood. The fact that my bf is gay and got sexual gratification from his abuse has led to some very serious guilt issues surrounding sex as an adult. When he first went to a counselor he said to me, somewhat in jest, "what if I am not really gay?" He obviously felt that his abuse somewhat shaped his sexuality, but to be honest, when he opens his mouth a purse falls out. Due to my having to deal with his issues, it opened up a lot of dialogue with a very good straight friend of mine. He is married. Identifies as straight. Was abused for about the same amount of time as a child. He has admitted to me that he has sought out sex with men, but it has always been a power thing for him. He never had sexual desires towards men before his abuse. Two examples. Two of the closest people in my life. Two very different outcomes. Let's stop talking in absolutes.

by Anonymousreply 12103/09/2016

Sexuality is not fluid for many people. Especially men. If your "straight" friend wants dick, it's probably because he can't admit that he is gay or bi. Maybe it's just easier to blame the abuse than to admit the truth about himself. But I guess relying on anecdotes (which might not even be truthful) and spreading myths is more important than checking the facts. Some people confuse correlation with causation, just because you are gay or bi doesn't mean your abuse caused your desires.

by Anonymousreply 12203/09/2016

To the people out there who have said a lot of horrible things about Corey haim you should all be ashamed off ur selfs. It makes me sick to hear all the hurtful comments u have put up on here. Some people need to have a heart instead of being heartless basterds. Corey haim r.i.p victory will come. Miss you and you will never be forgotten.

by Anonymousreply 12303/31/2016

Rape is about power, more than about sex. 15 and 21 - a HUGE power differential. Lots of pedo attitudes here

by Anonymousreply 12403/31/2016

Sheen is a malignant narcissist !!! Not a good man at all. And now HIV POZ. How many men and women did he infect is the ?

by Anonymousreply 12503/31/2016

COREY IAN HAIM love you and miss you so much. Rest in peace beautiful angel you will never be forgotten always in my heart ❤️

by Anonymousreply 12604/04/2016

Is Charlie also the reason why Kerri Green left the biz and why Winona Ryder is batshit crazy?

by Anonymousreply 12704/04/2016

Winona had crazy parents to begin with, hadn't she? And Charlie is not the only creep in the biz.

by Anonymousreply 12804/04/2016

I don't like Charlie Sheen, I think he is worse than a piece of scum, but until Haim comes right out and says it happened, no alluding to the facts, no innuendos just an honest statement of fact, as far as I am concerned it never happened.

by Anonymousreply 12904/04/2016

*Feldman you mean? Otherwise your request is rather unreasonable.

by Anonymousreply 13004/04/2016

I meant Haim! Now somebody pick me up a pack of Marlboros!

by Anonymousreply 13104/04/2016

131 - Corey HAim is dead dipshit - you're going to be a long time waiting on that statment

by Anonymousreply 13204/13/2016

In 1986, Charlie would have just finished his best picture, Platoon. He was not only connected in Hollywood by family, he was considered a legit actor at the beginning of a promising career.

by Anonymousreply 13304/13/2016

Corey Haim is dead and Charlie Sheen has such a rich history of confabulation, it's doubtful he even knows when he's lying.

Given those two facts, how do you think you'll ever know the truth, R129.

by Anonymousreply 13404/13/2016

So is Sylvia, dipshit r132.

by Anonymousreply 13504/13/2016

Bump since the thread about Radar claiming to have identified the pedo was closed.

----- agcblinditems is using te speculation in thread as proof of Radar's claims, but the claim is that the guy has a"family-man facade" but that description doesn't square with Charlie Sheen's image.

by Anonymousreply 13609/19/2016

It's crystal clear that Sheen took advantage of Haim. Yes it was consensual . It is clear that Haim was doing it for the benefit of his career. Sheen was very well connected, family in the business and appeared as someone who could "help" Haim.

That's why we have laws about statutory rape -- it is presumed that a younger person lacks the mental capacity to consent . I'm not saying Sheen should've been prosecuted and yes there are many instances where a 17 year old gives what would be considered valid consent.

In the case of Haim --NO. And I don't think feldmans comment that Haim was seduced to the dark side was homophobic at all.

Feldman makes the point that after this encounter, he witnessed his friend go through awful times.

by Anonymousreply 13709/19/2016

Wait, what exactly did Radar claim?

by Anonymousreply 13809/20/2016

This is what radar claimed:

by Anonymousreply 13909/20/2016

Another Haim thread gone. Very active, and soundly deleted. No duplication as the culprit, but getting into some meat. Now toast

by Anonymousreply 14009/20/2016

someone is pulling some strings, R140, no doubt about it

by Anonymousreply 14109/20/2016

How long until this thread gets deleted??

by Anonymousreply 14209/20/2016

I've got it on my watch list. The aforementioned Haim thread is now gone from my watch list.

by Anonymousreply 14309/20/2016

Wish they'd talk about the Brad stuff here instead of the divorce thread.

by Anonymousreply 14409/20/2016

How would you like it if someone led you on to expect friendship with him, then used you sexually in a humiliating way that gave you no pleasure at all, and then dropped you and pretended it had never happened? And you had to pretend it never happened for the rest of your life for fear of being retaliated against? Then imagine you were a kid when that happened. Oh, no, that wouldn't mess you up at all. Right.

by Anonymousreply 14509/20/2016

R145 Feldman??

by Anonymousreply 14609/20/2016

R145 maybe that type of manipulation of young victims, along with houseboy "duties", was BP's entry requirements into Hwood. Would anything you hear these days really surprise you? After all we've read here on our own DL

by Anonymousreply 14709/20/2016

So....I still have the Perez article in an open tab and it was just about word for word also posted on Blind Items, which is still up. The comments are there too. Sheen is the favorite with Robert Downey Jr as the dark horse.

by Anonymousreply 14809/20/2016

Does anybody think the other threads were deleted because of the mention of $ p i e l b e r g? Whatever the reason, I'm tired of the censorship on what R147 just called "our own DL." Needs to stop.

by Anonymousreply 14909/20/2016

[quote]Sheen is the favorite with Robert Downey Jr as the dark horse.

Sheen is not [bold]"revered worldwide"[/bold] as the Radar article states and he is not a "family man" either.

[quote][quote]“Just take a look at Bill Cosby . Some stars aren’t the perfect family-friendly individuals that the industry portrays them to be.”

[quote]He was the “kingpin” of a child sex ring that ensnared Haim and Corey Feldman,

Neither Downey nor Sheen have ever had the image of "perfect" and were not in positions of power to be a "kingpin" in the 80s, nepotism doesn't factor in in this situation. Yesterday on Snapchat, a Radar editor flat out denied that the perpetrator is Martin Sheen.

Note the title of the article:

[quote]Superstar Actor Raped Child Star Corey Haim

The person mentioned by R149 is not and has never been a "superstar actor."

by Anonymousreply 15009/20/2016

Superstar actor? But who could it be?

by Anonymousreply 15109/20/2016

I hope this scandal isn't a big push from Radar for publicity, and they let the story drag out, then disappear. Please don't be a repeat of the Fappening.

by Anonymousreply 15209/20/2016

Dylan Howard at Radar Online is the author of this story and the reporter who broke the Charlie Sheen, HIV story, he even chronicled how he went about doing it:

[quote]Charlie Sheen, HIV, a Tabloid and My Insane 2-Year Hunt for a Story

There was even a thread about this on DL.

by Anonymousreply 15309/20/2016

R153 given the Radar article about Haim cites a four-year investigation, one wonders if they didn't stumble across the Sheen HIV story during their digging

by Anonymousreply 15409/20/2016

This thread is better than the other one.

by Anonymousreply 15509/20/2016

I hope its Chris Pratt. Love him.

by Anonymousreply 15609/20/2016

Unlike Charlie Sheen, I've never heard anybody utter anything about about Robert Downey, Jr, except maybe RDJ himself. Even at his lowest people were always pulling for him. And, timeline-wise, he would have served his drug stint in prison after the alleged rape, and before Haim's death, so why not have revealed it then if it were Downey, Jr. ?

by Anonymousreply 15709/20/2016

This story is hot.

by Anonymousreply 15809/20/2016

RDJ was a pass around bottom. I don't see him as a sexual aggressor with anybody.

by Anonymousreply 15909/20/2016

Exactly 159. Jessica probably even had to lube the dildo up. Sheen gets off on powerplay and being the aggressor.

by Anonymousreply 16009/20/2016

Notice how this thread stays up because it implicates Sheen, but the other thread got shut down because it implicates Bruce Willis?

Just sayin'.

It's the powers that be, people.

Charlie Sheen is a red herring.

by Anonymousreply 16109/20/2016

Dylan Howard's Hollywood Reporter article, posted by R153, references Sheen hiring Brian Peck as a dialect coach. This 2015 National Enquirer blind item is obviously a precursor to the one Radar ran yesterday, minus the language about a "family man."

There's no doubt that Charlie Sheen is the supposed kingpin of this child porn story.

--What’s more, The ENQUIRER has learned that Peck was allegedly hired by the Tinseltown kingpin at the center of the Haim sex scandal! Haim – who died in March 2010 at 38 after a long battle with drug addiction – made his explosive molestation charges public on the reality show “The Two Coreys.”--

by Anonymousreply 16209/20/2016

R161 Actually it was when TH & BP were mentioned. Bruce being sus has been mentioned many times on here without fuss.

by Anonymousreply 16309/20/2016

Charlie Sheen would fuck a goat. He probably has fucked animals, wouldn't surprise me, and he's an animal himself. He's a sociopath, a sex-addicted one at that. It's no wonder he's HIV+. He's a has-been.

by Anonymousreply 16409/20/2016

You're right, R163. Tom Hanks' name came up a lot on that thread too.

Who's BP?

by Anonymousreply 16509/20/2016

Please don't start with Pitt in this thread too, let it go already.

by Anonymousreply 16609/20/2016

Failing' marriage' R165. I don't necessarily think it was him but I did think it was weird to have two threads closed.

R166 Not starting just correcting the poster. I'd put my money on the other one if I had to.

by Anonymousreply 16709/20/2016

We don't know who it is but "family man" is the clincher. It doesn't strike me as CS

by Anonymousreply 16809/20/2016

Me neither r168

by Anonymousreply 16909/20/2016

R169 Quit your bitching Denise. You certainly got more than your pound of flesh and it definitely wasn't his AIDS ridden cock.

by Anonymousreply 17009/20/2016

I don't think it means family man in the sense that he is the fatherly type, I think it alludes to the fact that his family is in the business.

by Anonymousreply 17109/20/2016

Update on latest DL speculations of this "race":

Emma: C Sheen Natalie: RDJ Viola: Hanks Amy: born in Italy - so a Coppola, why not Streep: SS

by Anonymousreply 17209/20/2016

Sick and sad

by Anonymousreply 17309/21/2016

The Radar article can not possibly describe Charlie Sheen. Come the hell on! Now he is personified scandal, standing for sex, porn, drugs; HIV and all around insanity. Before he was a handsome young actor/star to watch. Never was he anything like a universially respected family man, who would completely shock the planet by showing himself to be a pervert. Not even the slightest bit.

If that article is about him it's complete bs.

by Anonymousreply 17409/21/2016

[quote]-What’s more, The ENQUIRER has learned that Peck was allegedly hired by the Tinseltown kingpin at the center of the Haim sex scandal! Haim – who died in March 2010 at 38 after a long battle with drug addiction – made his explosive molestation charges public on the reality show “The Two Coreys.”

What? It is known who they were talking about on "The two Coreys". Feldman was molested by his own PA, and Haim by a no name actor and good buddy of Feldman. That's all that was to that conversation. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Feldman and Haim were not friends when Haim did "Lucas". Feldman only learned about that abuse long after the fact.

Of course someone might have gotten worried what other tales the two Coreys might tell after that particular conversation, but I don't think you have your facts straight.

by Anonymousreply 17509/21/2016

Lucas was released in 1986 and Lost Boys in 1987. They probably did know each other. For what it's worth, I agree with 149. Every time $-berg or TH is mentioned, poof goes the thread. Hate to say it, but many down thread from various sites covering the J-P divorce carnival are dredging up BP again. Gotta admit the timing of the revelation / divorce is a bit suspect.

by Anonymousreply 17609/21/2016

We are talking about someone who apparently was sombody in the mid-80s, right? Bigger than Corey Haim, anyway.

Brad P. got his first bit of fame shaking his magnificent ass in Thelma and Luise in the mid-90s. So I don't really get this speculation at all.

by Anonymousreply 17709/21/2016

Swore to myself I wouldn't comment on any of these gossip threads despite the constant troll baiting claiming otherwise but I must add that repeated comments online elsewhere have verified Corey Feldman has repeatedly stated the abuser was NOT SS.

by Anonymousreply 17809/21/2016

Has he said that, r178? Do you have a quote, link?

by Anonymousreply 17909/21/2016

Also having met one of Pitt's former frat bros, and free from the conservative restrictions of home life he was known for his taste in wilder girls and getting the best weed, I was told he got his start in entertainment when he won a trip to NY to appear in an ad campaign. The NY company was looking for the stereotypical Mid Western look.

Returning to his frat bros he said he now wanted to move to LA and pursue a different path rather than being an architect. I don't think wearing a chicken costume to promote a new non-fried fast food chicken place and driving around strippers was what he had in mind when he landed in the City of Dreams.

by Anonymousreply 18009/21/2016

I think "family Man" is just referring to the fact CS has fathered kids. The general public are naive enough to be shocked that he has fucked guys, let alone kids.

by Anonymousreply 18109/22/2016

If Corey Feldman is afraid of being sued for slander, and since the statute of llimitations is up anyway, and the guy can't be prosecuted, why doesn't he just expose the guy anonymously, in a way that it reaches the public? If he disclosd enough facts, it would not seem to be just another rumour.

by Anonymousreply 18209/23/2016

Every time these kinds of stories pop up there are anonymous "reveals" all over the internet about various stars and their proclivities and past occurrences. Of course one never knows what's true or not. I almost wonder if that's why the subject matter is continually brought up. That is there are those out there who wish someone would intervene to finally put a stop to all of it. Since no one does and realistically it would probably be almost impossible to do so the innuendo and lurid tales will continue.

by Anonymousreply 18309/23/2016

Maybe Haim had the AIDS?

by Anonymousreply 18404/25/2017

I believe him. Sheen is an ogre; he takes what he wants from people. A user, drug addled with a sense of entitlement. Not used to anyone saying no. Hair was underage-Sheen was 21. I can totally see him doing that. Deplorable man who doesn't deserve to breathe our air.

by Anonymousreply 18504/25/2017

Did Charlie have his first gay sex with Oliver Stone? And what was the real reason that Charlie got the role that was already Keanu's? Did Keanu reject Oliver? Or were there too many drugs on set, so Keanu's manager said, NO!

by Anonymousreply 18604/25/2017

Sheen has every single one of the signs and symptoms of NPD/Narcissism. Every. Single. One.

by Anonymousreply 18704/25/2017

Now that we know all we know about Charlie, isn't it obvious that he molested Haim?

by Anonymousreply 18804/25/2017

^ It should be. And it sure is to me.

by Anonymousreply 18904/25/2017

Charlie Sheen with Oliver Stone when Martin Sheen was filming Apocalypse would explain a lot of things around how Charlie has turned out.

by Anonymousreply 19004/29/2017

Oliver Stone s son has been caught with child porn

by Anonymousreply 19104/29/2017

R153 Radar online did not break the "Charlie Sheen is HIV+" at all. As was stated earlier upthread, Jacky Jasper of Hollywood Street King broke the story in 2014.

This was officially noted by the New York Times when it finally came out in the mainstream media. I read the piece in 2014 on HSK and reported it here. But it got zero traction and response. Then when it was finally confirmed years later, it was a big deal here for about a week.

by Anonymousreply 19204/29/2017

r191, details please!

by Anonymousreply 19304/29/2017

O.M.G.

by Anonymousreply 19405/25/2017

Blind items are known for fudging details to further anonymity. I think the misdirect in the Blind Gossip story is the reference to an "actor" and not a "family man." SS seems to be the most likely candidate. If the world-renowned creator of entertainment targeted at young boys was exposed for these allegations, it would cause an international scandal that would have far reaching effects on the entertainment industry.

I think the key was in the interview Feldman gave to THR where he said two Hollywood moguls abused Haim but he wouldn't reveal their names. Halfway through the interview, the reporter asked Feldman two seemingly random and unrelated questions about what it was like working with SS and Joel S, who is widely rumored to be the other name. This came across as a subtle confrontation to those familiar with the rumors.

R178's post reads like that of a shill or someone trying to deflect attention. Notice how they never provided any receipts of Feldman's supposed exoneration of SS.

by Anonymousreply 19505/25/2017

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by Anonymousreply 19605/25/2017

^^What in the world...?

by Anonymousreply 19705/26/2017

From CS's Little Black Book...

by Anonymousreply 19805/26/2017

[quote]Didn't Denise Richards say something about Charlie looking at child porn during their marriage?

When they split up I remember a lot of people online siding with Charlie and calling Denise a dumb slut. But I always figured him for a dirtbag and she was right about him.

by Anonymousreply 19905/26/2017

I feel for the Cories, but they were both fucked up LONG before Hollywood came calling.

by Anonymousreply 20005/26/2017

I think it was one of the producers, who did the fucking...an actual pedophile.

by Anonymousreply 20105/26/2017

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