The 90s Rocker Chick

That 'fuck Oscar Mayer, this world is bullshit,' chick.

Julianna Hatfield, Liz Phair, P.J. Harvey, Kim Deal, Kelly Deal...

Britney Spears happened.....

Fiona Apple and Gwen Stefani are the last of their kind, who made it throughout the 90's and seemed to have stayed just as popular.

Now "pop" has paved the way for manufactured acts.

[quote]I don't recall Celine sliding down a stripper pole.

That's because you would've had a hard time differentiating between the two.

Gwen Stefani was the beginning of the end, she was just as untalented as Britney Spears. She was like a bland version of Cyndi Lauper. Don't even get me started on the music of No Doubt.

I used to make fun of those VH1 "singer/songwriters" back in the 90s but the likes of Colbie Caillat and Sara Bareilles, to take two painfully mediocre examples, make Sarah McLachlan or Jewel look like Bob Dylan in comparison.

To the OP, I think the 90's was the best period since the 70's for assertive women in music. Aside from Kate Bush and a few others, the 80's was a much worse time for women who didn't just want to make pop fluff. Liz Phair, PJ Harvey, The Breeders, Hole, Fiona Apple, Bikini Kill, etc. All of these artists are way better than any of the current female singer-songwriters or rock artists that are prominent today.

Madonna started the white stripper act. The black stripper act has always been with us. Only Madonna called it "art". Yeah right.

All those artists were talented but sadly had short careers. The climate changed and stars like the Breeders and Fiona Apple were volatile and lacked a Madonna-style strategy and persistence.

I too used to mock the pop stars of the 90s but they look like Dame Redgrave next to the idiots of today. With an exception or two.

[quote]Britney Spears happened.....

Correct. That was when mainstream music really went straight to shit.

R9, that's because those chicks never, ever wanted to be anything like Madonna. There is no reason to compare them to her.

We're talking about real musicians who play rock and roll, which hasn't been in vogue (no pun intended) for some time. It doesn't matter. Most of the ones listed are still at it. And Madonna is still not a real musician or songwriter.

Sad...

Sad, the music industry is now convinced that the money is in hoochies who can't sing a note.

Bump.

Women don’t seem interested in joining bands anymore. Actually bands in general seem kind of dead.

The 90s saw a lot of unpredictable, difficult to control musicians. Labels didn’t like that and so Britney Spears and boy bands became the rage. It hasn’t changed much since then.

I agree, r15.

Gwen Sefani is is hardly untalented.

Britney is largely to blame, because the sea change happened when she arrived, but Madonna planted a lot of the seeds over a decade earlier. Hip hop also played a role, by objectifying women so blatently along with misogynist lyrics.

I agree, r17.

Britney was a product and not the evil genius actor in this change of tastes. Why "blame Britney"?

Blame sound engineering and business suits. Mostly men. Same thing happened to movies by the way. Jacked up, bright, fast, empty, successful. Rinse repeat.

There are only so many CDs you can sell to cheap lesbians.

You got something against Connie Francis? Shelley Fabares?

Juliana Hatfield?