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Cheyenne Jackson's New Fiancee Jason Landau, Is a Recruiter For Alleged “Self-Help” Cult

Queerty Reporting

The pair were reportedly dating as early as last July when, according to a source close to the couple who spoke exclusively to Queerty, “they met in AA and were kicked out of the chapter for breaking the no-dating rules.” This was around the same time Jackson shaved his head, got a few interesting tattoos and grew a mustache amid his “mutual” split from Lapka. Speculation that Jackson switched coasts and began dating a younger man in order to “start fresh” began, and today, our source clears up come misconceptions about Jackson’s fiance: Jason Landau is NOT an actor, he’s an instructor with The Landmark Forum, a controversial offshoot of EST that’s been under investigation many, many times by state and fed gov’t for cult like activities and ponzi-scheme-like activity.

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by Anonymousreply 600April 5, 2014 3:18 PM

of course Cheyenne is in a cult now. What else will get his name in the press

by Anonymousreply 1February 6, 2014 10:43 PM

EST?! I love when DL crops up in the real world.

by Anonymousreply 2February 6, 2014 10:49 PM

Cheyenne has totally moved into the Liberace / Richard Simmons Realm

by Anonymousreply 3February 7, 2014 1:35 AM

Jason Landau, actor, was on "Will and Grace." In a scene where Will was getting on an elevator, he stepped to the side as Jason Landau got off the elevator.

by Anonymousreply 4February 7, 2014 1:41 AM

No, that Martin Landau. He used to be on TV.

by Anonymousreply 5February 7, 2014 2:07 AM

Is Jason Landau related to Martin Landau?

by Anonymousreply 6February 7, 2014 2:18 AM

Well, this does help explain the "creepy" factor in this relationship.

by Anonymousreply 7February 10, 2014 2:22 AM

This is all rather sad to me. It's obvious Cheyenne is searching for some deeper meaning to life. But Landmark and other groups like it prey on vulnerable people going through rough times in their lives. It might not be a cult, and I know some people who have attended who got some benefit. But, It certainly is a pyramid scam and he will be suckered out of money. I’m starting to believe Cheyenne may actually be crazy, who may need a medical intervention. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.But his continued behavior is downright bizarre.

Now he’s already engaged and getting married? Is his divorce even finalized? I’ve been divorced in NY. It can take up to a year for it to be granted. Does anyone else think he could still be using drugs?

I wish him luck, but as R7 said the creepy factor of the Jason is becoming more evident .

by Anonymousreply 8February 10, 2014 3:13 PM

There is no "no-dating rule" in AA, and there's no chapter in LA that would kick you out for dating someone else in group. This article is silly, I'm not surprised though, Queerty has been all over this relationship since the beginning. It's a bad rebound, nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 9February 10, 2014 3:18 PM

this will last 6 months at the most.

by Anonymousreply 10February 10, 2014 3:25 PM

I think Queerty got the AA thing wrong. While You can't be kicked out of AA. I have heard that one or both of them were dropped by their AA sponsors for not following the guidelines. That is something that could happened.

The nuts and bolts of this story seem correct as Jason tried to get a friend of mine to go LF Meetings.

by Anonymousreply 11February 10, 2014 3:45 PM

R12 what guidelines? If their sponsors not only dropped them for getting into a relationship, but then also talked about it publicly, they are really awful sponsors. But Cheyenne is still in AA so this is false.

Queerty has had this story completely wrong from the start. It began as Cheyenne dating a very young porn star who everyone saw him with at a party. Turns out he's with a 30-something man who owns some sort of company. It's obviously not a good relationship or one that will last, but Queerty has been weird and wrong about it from the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 12February 10, 2014 3:51 PM

I can't believe that Landmark Forum bullshit is still around. It got recommended to me back in the '90s so I tried it. I made it through a couple of days but it was so patently ridiculous, I stopped going. That's when the harassing phone calls started. "You made a commitment, blah blah blah." They just really want you to give them names of people they can recruit to do the series and then sign you up for additional ones. The only people I knew who bought into it were the ones who were totally fucked up, and they did NOT get any better.

by Anonymousreply 13February 10, 2014 4:12 PM

This isn't even the tiniest bit entertaining--just sad and sick.

Have any of his family or friends staged an intervention yet?

He said in an interview how his parents loved Jason, but what else was he going to say?

by Anonymousreply 14February 10, 2014 4:46 PM

I had a friend do Landmark. She harassed the hell out of me to join and sign up for classes and when I told her in no uncertain terms that I would not join our friendship ended. I think she's moved on to something even more crazy but I could be wrong.

by Anonymousreply 15February 10, 2014 4:54 PM

I enjoyed Landmark. It saved me from my limiting Scientology paradigm I viewed the world through at the time.

It's a much more benign cult.

by Anonymousreply 16February 10, 2014 5:08 PM

This guy's not well.It reminds me of when Spamalot took about the joke making fun of how crazy Britney Spears was. I wish him well and hope he gets the help he needs (and also hope Monte is getting some kind of therapy after all of this.)

by Anonymousreply 17February 10, 2014 5:08 PM

R13 Jason Landau is taht you?

by Anonymousreply 18February 10, 2014 5:33 PM

Regarding all of these posters saying there are no rules or guidelines to AA, you are correct. However, you’re making a semantic argument, and are looking for a loop hole.

AA just calls the “no dating in Year 1” a suggestion or a recommendation.

There is a very good reason for this suggestion/ recommendation and its very standard part of The Program or and 12 step

Love addiction becomes a very real concern when infatuation replaces the ‘high’ of drug or alcohol use,” “Whether the object of the addiction is drugs, alcohol, or an unhealthy attachment to another person, the individual is searching for something outside themselves to fill an emotional void within.”

The “rush” of a new relationship can be emotionally damaging and can derail even the most valiant recovery effort. In most cases, individuals who can’t refrain from having a relationship in Year 1 of recovery will not address the core issues underlying their addictions, and are more likely to relapse

Any Drug & Alcohol Recovery professional will tell you mental health issues, compulsions and cross-addictions need to be addressed for anyone to stay sober. New romantic relationships Year 1 are not a good idea.

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by Anonymousreply 19February 10, 2014 6:49 PM

They've both been pretty silent (for them) on social media lately. Wonder if they're keeping a low profile.

by Anonymousreply 20February 10, 2014 7:06 PM

R20 I don't think anyone is suggesting it was a good idea that they get together, especially so quickly after Cheyenne's last relationship fell apart. Just that the story was bogus because they wouldn't have been "kicked out" of AA.

Cheyenne tries way too hard to make it seem like he's happy and healthy in this relationship. It's over the top, which is always a good sign that something isn't right. But it's a rebound relationship, of course it'll end badly and probably quickly.

by Anonymousreply 21February 10, 2014 7:26 PM

And the hundreds of "likes" and comments on how they are the Cutest Couple Ever he gets whenever he posts a photo just validates and justifies this.

I doubt any of those "likers" are personal friends or relatives.

by Anonymousreply 22February 10, 2014 7:32 PM

R22 So you’re saying one element or sentence of a story makes the entire story bogus? Hell, every news article ever written is bogus then.

With a quick Google search you can find entries referencing Jason Landau on Landmark Education pages. I don't think the entire story is bogus, I think there is some truth to this.

Why would they not sue to have this taken down? Agree with previous posters, these two nutcases are oddly silent from their constant chirping on social media. It’s very similar to when Cheyenne’s sex tape came out. They both went off grid or on a bender.

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by Anonymousreply 23February 10, 2014 8:40 PM

This makes me feel icky and sad. Cheyenne get your sh*t together! Why are you engaged at this pointt? date the dude for awhile. Maybe y'all are right , maybe Cheyenne is nuts!

by Anonymousreply 24February 10, 2014 9:25 PM

The new boyfriend seems to be a bit of a fame whore

by Anonymousreply 25February 10, 2014 10:00 PM

Cheyenne last night at the GLSEN awards in Atlanta? Is he sick? He looks terrible.

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by Anonymousreply 26February 11, 2014 2:07 AM

[quote] they met in AA and were kicked out of the chapter for breaking the no-dating rules.” This was around the same time Jackson shaved his head, got a few interesting tattoos and grew a mustache amid his “mutual” split from Lapka

OMG. He's like the gay version of a late 1990's Charlie Sheen

by Anonymousreply 27February 11, 2014 2:23 AM

Very funny R28

by Anonymousreply 28February 11, 2014 1:03 PM

Queerity is so lame. No AA group has a no-dating "RULE." And you cant get kicked out of AA.

The ignorance about AA on here is staggering.

by Anonymousreply 29February 11, 2014 1:11 PM

If it wasn't true, they would have had the story taken down (as Cheyenne's people have been known to do with stories that ARE true.), but considering Jason's name and photo are on the site, of course it's true.

by Anonymousreply 30February 11, 2014 2:00 PM

It's probably something that is useful or harmless for some people, but when you think about Cheyenne's major life changes/bizarre behavior/substance abuse problems/divorce...I think this is very scary and explains a lot.

Let's hope his family is clued in to all of this by now.

by Anonymousreply 31February 11, 2014 2:03 PM

This actually all does make me sad.

by Anonymousreply 32February 11, 2014 2:42 PM

This site makes it sound like Jason works there, but it's pretty old. Maybe he's not there anymore?

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by Anonymousreply 33February 11, 2014 3:25 PM

R32 agreed his family does seems clueless. How many things does he have to do before someone sits him down and tells him he's gone off the rails.

I remember reading an interview where Cheyenne said his parents were fundamentalist Christians, so maybe they're praying about it. While they're waiting for Jesus to step in, they need to get him some good psychiatric help and get him away from self-help groups like Landmark or Scientology quick.

Those programs can help some people. But, when you’re dealing with the kind of real crazy Jackson seems to have, he should be seeing a doctor.

by Anonymousreply 34February 11, 2014 4:20 PM

A while ago, I was actually hopeful this all wasn't as bad as it seemed/as the gossip made it out to be (since the 19-year-old porn star story apparently wasn't true.)

However, I think it's actually all even worse as it seems. I really do hope he gets some help soon.

by Anonymousreply 35February 11, 2014 4:30 PM

There were photos of Jason with the fam on Christmas Day, posing like one of the family, but I don't think that means anything...it's not like they were going to throw them out or take photos of everyone staring at him cautiously.

by Anonymousreply 36February 11, 2014 4:32 PM

I'm weirdly intrigued with this now.

Highlight: "No honesty, logic or sympathy for others."

"It is a brainwashing session and can ruin your life. The least that it would do in waste your time, and money. I know several people who have embraced this cult and they have no honesty, logic or sympathy for others. It is all about them. And if the people in their lives don't like it, so what! There is no accountability, the pressure is incredible in the sessions , you are trapped for 3 days 12 hours a day and told what to do. If you question anything you are publicly ridiculed and chastised. I know that many people go there in search of a way to solve serious problems in their lives. The answers are not there. Please run from this place. They are secretive, controlling and deceitful. Very rude."

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by Anonymousreply 37February 11, 2014 4:47 PM

A Landmark recruiter attached himself to a group of my friends. It was interesting that he was selective about who he tried to recruit. He said flat out that I was not a candidate for the program. In other words, I would not put up with the bull shit. They must be coached as to who is vulnerable and who is not.

by Anonymousreply 38February 11, 2014 5:07 PM

I feel a little sick reading all of this and I don't even know the man. I hope Cheyenne's parents have Google alerts set for his name or something and has heard about this.

by Anonymousreply 39February 11, 2014 5:14 PM

If this is Jason's job and his way of life, why feel the need to "keep a low profile" about the story? Shouldn't he want to do just the opposite, as in some kind of a PSA about how great Landmark is and how misunderstood?

It's all strange.

by Anonymousreply 40February 11, 2014 5:55 PM

It's all basically the same BS. Landmark is often referred to as Scientology light (lite). Many sites list Jason Landau as an instructor. I assume Jason didn’t want this information public since there is a perceived negative connotation with this group.

Cheyenne has always been a bit of a dimwit, and unfortunately organizations like this and the people who work for them take full advantage of dumb people.

Like Scientology,LF doesn’t tolerate Suppressive Person (SP). I’m assuming anyone who has tried to speak to Jackson about this or question it was quickly gotten rid of.

by Anonymousreply 41February 11, 2014 6:17 PM

These stories are really sad and alarming.

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by Anonymousreply 42February 11, 2014 7:01 PM

I can't believe I never heard of all of this.

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by Anonymousreply 43February 11, 2014 8:42 PM

I always knew Cheyenne was an idiot, so of course he'd get snatched up by some Landmark Forum loony.

Lord knows what kind of nonsense the boyfriend has been feeding him. it's all just so sad and sick at this point. Cheyenne wake up before it's too late, your a hot mess!

by Anonymousreply 44February 11, 2014 10:03 PM

"I have been told to do this Landmark Forum for self-development by my supervisor in my last performance review. I had a brief encounter with it many years ago as some co-workers did it. One of whom left her fiancé and married a Forum leader in the short space of three weeks."

Wow.

by Anonymousreply 45February 11, 2014 10:22 PM

A guy my husband worked with was OBSESSED with this and demanded my husband go to one of the seminars one night. It was very much not for him. It was a whole bunch of perky, earnest people asking you to share your traumas and innermost thoughts and thoughtfully tilting their heads and going, "I get that, I GET that."

The guy spent SO MUCH MONEY on these damn things and meanwhile foreclosed on his house and declared bankruptcy.

by Anonymousreply 46February 11, 2014 11:38 PM

I am pretty sure there was a L&O storyline inspired by Landmark.

For the most part, I think everybody wishes this guy well and hope he can come out of all of this in better shape. It might be a good sign they're not broadcasting everything on Instagram for the time being.

And maybe his parents are scared of alienating him if they say something.

by Anonymousreply 47February 13, 2014 3:27 AM

"And maybe his parents are scared of alienating him if they say something."

So they'd rather just sit by and watch? I don't think that would be the sign of truly caring parents. Truly caring parents would do anything to keep their child out of danger, even if it meant never seeing/hearing from them again.

by Anonymousreply 48February 13, 2014 3:38 AM

What's Landmark's take on tattoos? I'm still mystified at why Cheyenne got all those weird tattoos - especially the Big Daddy Boots (or whatever it was called) lyrics on his upper arm. He said it was a "gift" for his dad - which is the strangest thing EVER.

Just curious if there's any connection to Landmark...

by Anonymousreply 49February 13, 2014 3:43 AM

Do Landmark devotees shut out friends and family who actively disagree with them?

by Anonymousreply 50February 13, 2014 3:47 AM

Wait - I just answered my own question. I Googled "Landmark Forum Tattoo" and guess what?

Tattooathon! Brought to you by your good friends at the Landmark Forum

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by Anonymousreply 51February 13, 2014 3:49 AM

Landmark is less a cult than it is a pyramid scheme.

by Anonymousreply 52February 13, 2014 4:04 AM

If this true, I feel even worse for Monte. Think of. Ends up in a "celebrity" marriage, even though he clearly didn't want the spotlight, alcoholic spouse, cheating, public divorce, gets accused of leaking that tape, and I wouldn't be surprised if he found out about the engagement the same way we all did. And now he might have lost the guy he loved and supported for all those years to a cult? WTF.

It's been the Cheyenne and Jason show for so long, I feel like Monte been forgotten. I don't know how Jason can have that beaming smile in all his photos knowing how much another person's life has been screwed up.

While I hope Cheyenne does have concerned friends and family who intervene and get him help, even more so, I hope Monte has a good support system and therapist. Can you imagine what that guy has gone through? Horrible.

by Anonymousreply 53February 13, 2014 1:11 PM

R54 His good friend Bomer should honestly have a word with him.

by Anonymousreply 54February 13, 2014 1:20 PM

Read that as "Boner". I thought we were making Growing Pains jokes.

by Anonymousreply 55February 13, 2014 1:28 PM

R51 Yes, they do! I know from firsthand experience. They do it subtlety, like poisoning the well, and then one day, when the planted enough seeds of doubt about your family and friends, you wake up and find everyone has been replaced by LF leeches I feel Jackson is just ridiculous now. It’s hard to have sympathy for someone who has obviously brought this upon themselves.

Granted he's not that bright and he's probably been brain-washed by the new BF.

But, even he can’t be so dumb to think that a big press release about your engagement was a good idea when you’ve been dating the person a fraction of a second. He just seems untethered by any sense of reality. Again this is another Landmark tell-tale sign.

by Anonymousreply 56February 13, 2014 3:32 PM

We had a mutual friend in the city. I know they used to talk all the time, I wonder if they still do. I'll ask her the next time I talk to her. Maybe he's disconnected from his entire Broadway related life.

by Anonymousreply 57February 13, 2014 3:52 PM

Jason's brother was a "senior staff member" for almost 10 years at the LA Landmark as well.

by Anonymousreply 58February 13, 2014 4:16 PM

Just because his parents post smiley pictures doesn't mean they're not worried. We don't know what's going on with them.

by Anonymousreply 59February 13, 2014 4:35 PM

This blog follows one guy's breakdown while taking the Forum. The comments are unnerving.

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by Anonymousreply 60February 14, 2014 1:07 AM

From all I've read here and elsewhere, the Landmark Forum sounds very scary in terms of mind control, but I don't understand why some people refer to it as a "pyramid scheme" or a "Ponzi scheme." Those schemes involve people paying money so that they will eventually get even more money than their original investment, from the people who come after them. Eventually, all of these schemes collapse because that sort of thing can't go on indefinitely.

As far as I understand, people who join Landmark don't receive or expect to receive any monetary returns from the organization, so how can it be a pyramid scheme?

by Anonymousreply 61February 14, 2014 1:57 AM

Yeah, I don't think it's quote a pyramid scheme in that they are making any money for recruiting new members. Do they just do all this relentless recruiting because they now believe Landmark is the only way?

by Anonymousreply 62February 14, 2014 2:18 PM

People keep saying the guy is not too bright, but that is the part that actually does make me feel bad for him and like he's a sympathetic and pathetic character in all of this. I remember somebody saying in one of the older threads about him that in all his photos, even when he's smiling, he looked like a lost soul surrounded by people who are using him. This all just confirms it.

by Anonymousreply 63February 14, 2014 2:27 PM

It's funny how a lot of the stories in the links end with the teller of the story literally RUNNING away from the meeting.

by Anonymousreply 64February 14, 2014 2:37 PM

Things are starting to come into focus and this story is just sad, weird, and depressing. Does anyone think Jason could be behind all of this? including leaking Cheyenne's sex tape? It was sent to him after all. Could this be a way to destabilize Jackson before they further indoctrinated him.

Sadly, for Cheyenne it's too late, He's been conditioned and I feel there is no turning back. I also did some research and Marc Landau (jason's Brother) is a sr staffer at Landmark.

It also interesting to note that Cheyenne's twitter and instagram have been stripped of previous posts and pictures of Cheyenne with Marc Landau .

They did a good job of scrubbing his site . The images are gone but the twitter posts still remain in cached memory.

The posts where of Jason, Marc, and Cheyenne at some retreat. Cheyenne kept referring to them as the "Legendary Landau Brothers"

The deleted posts and pics coincide or are closet dates of the big annual LandMark Forum meeting in San Francisco in October 2013.

Ill post a link to the screen shot next time

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by Anonymousreply 65February 14, 2014 2:45 PM

Screen Grabs of deleted posts

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by Anonymousreply 66February 14, 2014 2:48 PM

And nobody else commented that the "source" to US Weekly about how they were already planning the wedding and whoever emailed around the sex tape are likely the same person? Gee, I wonder.

by Anonymousreply 67February 14, 2014 2:51 PM

Interesting detective work, but doesn't he realize his future brother-in-law is probably the least of his problems?

by Anonymousreply 68February 14, 2014 2:54 PM

"Sad, weird and depressing" is pretty spot-on.

by Anonymousreply 69February 14, 2014 3:17 PM

This thing sounds so friggin creepy.

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by Anonymousreply 70February 14, 2014 3:54 PM

Interesting link, R61. I dated a guy who tried to get me into the LF too. I signed up for a weekend, but skipped out after the first day and was refunded. Took me quite a bit of time and effort to get the refund though - those bitches fought it. Seems from your link that I didn't miss out on much, not going back after Friday.

I don't think the people who go to LF are evil, but the people who run it certainly are. Super culty and money hungry. Manipulative - they pressure emotionally vulnerable people to have these "breakthroughs" that involve confessing horrible moments into a microphone, under the premise that it will be somehow cleansing. A big ass, MANDATORY pity party, that the participants pay well for. Continuing and evolving in this new group you've bared yourself naked to requires more of your time, money, and the names of potential recruits. Weirdness.

by Anonymousreply 71February 14, 2014 4:45 PM

C posted a V-Day greeting with Jason today.

by Anonymousreply 72February 14, 2014 4:50 PM

I took a job once with a small tech company. About 20 employees. About a week into it, my manager began talking to me about Landmark. It didn't take long to realize she had forced everyone there to do it, and it was the kook-aid everyone was drinking every day. It was scary and strange, and everyone was seriously dishonest with themselves. I left by the fourth week. The place went out of business a year later.

by Anonymousreply 73February 14, 2014 4:54 PM

The fact that he erased all signs of socializing with Marc, but doesn't care about anything else that is out there is weird. What's the point?

by Anonymousreply 74February 14, 2014 4:57 PM

There's even a theatrical play about it!

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by Anonymousreply 75February 14, 2014 5:50 PM

"Take it from a fifty year old, well educated, open minded woman: DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH LANDMARK EDUCATION. AT BEST YOU WILL SPEND MANY MISERABLE HOURS IN THEIR UNPLEASANT COMPANY AND CUT YOUR LOSSES.

If you think you would enjoy making reservations at an exclusive, expensive restaurant and then sitting down to be served cockroaches sauteed in cat urine, while the waiter smiles & convinces you it is Strawberries Jubilee, then go ahead and PAY LANDMARK YOUR $400 PLUS and bon appetit!

I participated in one of LANDMARK'S DISGUSTING WEEKENDS and the result so far has been fPOST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER.

THESE PEOPLE ARE CROOKS AND THEY SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS FOR PERSONAL HARM AND DECEPTIVE TRADE PRACTICES! SPEND YOUR MONEY ON SOMETHING FUN AND BENEFICIAL - FLY TO CANCUN & DRINK PINA COLADAS IN THE SUN -- IT WILL COST ABOUT THE SAME AND BELIEVE ME YOU WILL GET A LOT MORE OUT OF IT!"

by Anonymousreply 76February 14, 2014 5:59 PM

How do you even qualify to be an instructor there? Do they have their own training programs or do you need to be actually certified? I never heard of Landmark before. Crazy stuff.

by Anonymousreply 77February 14, 2014 8:34 PM

R75 really? Your not dealing with someone who is playing with a full deck of cards. Add drugs, booze, mental illness, and now a new religion, were lucky Jackson can somewhat function publicly.

Maybe his parents do know, and maybe there is nothing they can do about it.

by Anonymousreply 78February 14, 2014 9:24 PM

I think he just meant why would photos with Marc be the one thing he takes off the Internet, when nothing else that's out there seems to bother him.

by Anonymousreply 79February 14, 2014 9:47 PM

Someone should tweet a link to this thread with a Cheyenne hashtag. All the "what a beautiful couple!" And "love you guys!" comments make me sick to my stomach.

by Anonymousreply 80February 14, 2014 11:06 PM

OMG. Somebody needs to rescue him. This is scary. He's in a cult.

I feel like Jason is not nearly as bad as his brother though. Maybe he needs to be rescued as well. I glanced at some of his brother's stuff and I am literally getting Manson cult vibes from him.

So is Landmark okay with gays then? Because isn't Scientology anti-gay?

by Anonymousreply 81February 14, 2014 11:38 PM

R75 I think there is a very good reason for scrubbing CJ's social media sites of references of Marc Landau. Especially, of Cheyenne referring to Marc as legendary.

Slate PR is probably already in the process of cleaning this up. Having Jackson attending retreats with a Sr. Landmark official and then tweeting about, with photos gives SLATE less room to characterize Jackson's involvement in the cult as benign. I'm surprised this DL thread has lasted this long. Im sure they're trying to kill it a we speak.

All that can really be proven of Jason's involvement with Landmark is that he is an instructor and speaker. Although, you can not rise to those positions without recruiting, and having those you recruited, recruit themselves.

Therein lies the Ponzi / Pyramid nature of this organization. Advancement is built on recruitment, yet your recruits can never hope to advance to the same top level.

The Queerty article would be taken down if not true ( at least the cult part) . Jason and Cheyenne would be suing for libel or defamation. Cheyenne and Slate PR have had completely true stories taken down from sites which were far less damaging when dealing with Cheyenne's "crazy factor".

Marc Landau come across as a real Landmark zealot and therefore probably harder for Slate to fix if they're gonna sell the next round of lies. They're excuses for Cheyenne's bizarre public behavior are becoming more comical, and at some point the limited public who cares about Cheyenne will no longer believe this BS they spin. Lindsay Lohan / Amanda Bynes anyone?

by Anonymousreply 82February 15, 2014 1:33 AM

Very disturbing stuff

by Anonymousreply 83February 15, 2014 11:55 AM

The video on this site seems to be taken down, but then there is comment after comment about how Landmark has ruined lives.

I think this is all scary and sad, and if this guy's parents and family ARE worried, there isn't much they can do. He's an adult.

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by Anonymousreply 84February 15, 2014 1:39 PM

R85, I'm surprised at how dated the blog you link to is... the last post was in 2010. I wonder what happened to the author and why the site isn't maintained.

Is there anything available that's more recent? If Landmark is so awful, there must be other blogs and website.

by Anonymousreply 85February 15, 2014 3:22 PM

I don't know any of the players, but this makes me sick. They're both despicable and I have no sympathy for Cheyenne, even if he is the gullible idiot everyone says he is.

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by Anonymousreply 86February 15, 2014 10:04 PM

Drew Barrymore used to be way into Landmark Forum. I hope it was just a phase and that she's out now, because I always have liked her, and while I know she's a bit flaky, it was a good flaky, not a bad flaky, like Landmark.

by Anonymousreply 87February 15, 2014 11:24 PM

"Therein lies the Ponzi / Pyramid nature of this organization. Advancement is built on recruitment, yet your recruits can never hope to advance to the same top level."

That's not the traditional definition of a Ponzi/pyramid scheme. And anyway, why do you say the recruits can never hope to advance to the same level as their recruiters?

I'm fully prepared to believe that Landmark is a very destructive organization, but unless I'm not understanding correctly, I don't think it's a pyramid scheme.

by Anonymousreply 88February 15, 2014 11:30 PM

If you think people are sort of dim-witted, ask them about "The Forum". It's like a test, if they call it "Landmark Education", you know theyre freaking morons!

by Anonymousreply 89February 16, 2014 5:42 AM

The Jason and Marc Landau thing is very creepy. In Marc's Linkedin profile under his Education Section he says he received his Masters in "Listening" from Landmark Education. Listening?

It also states Marc Landau is the Operations Director for something called Valfre. If you search Cheyenne's twitter feed there are many old and new tweets where Cheyenne hashtags #Valfre or @valfre

Marc seems like a poor man's version of David Miscavige.

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by Anonymousreply 90February 16, 2014 10:51 PM

Pretty sure Valfre is just some kind of company that Jason and Marc run together that doesn't have anything to do with Landmark.

by Anonymousreply 91February 16, 2014 11:37 PM

Yeah I looked it up.

"Valfré is apparel, accessories and artwork designed by Ilse Valfré. T-Shirts, Prints , Journals, Tote Bags, iPhone cases, and more."

It has the same logo of a woman with green hair that I've seen on Jason's instagram.

by Anonymousreply 92February 16, 2014 11:39 PM

I'm intrigued by r83's post but have some questions: Do you think Slate PR brought up the Marc Landau concerns to Cheyenne and suggested the site be scrubbed or just went in there and scrubbed it? If they did discuss it with Cheyenne, wouldn't that be some kind of red flag to him that there's a major problem with the organization? I would think that suggesting he distance himself from his future brother-in-law might be offensive to Cheyenne if he's genuinely into Landmark - why be ashamed if it's something you truly believe in?

Don't get me wrong, I think Landmark is a scam and the people at Slate are clearly smarter than Cheyenne in wanting to distance him from it, but there's a disconnect in there somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 93February 17, 2014 7:04 PM

And if Jason and his brother are close (which it seems like they are), I would think Jason would be upset/offended that he's marrying somebody that can't be photographed with his brother.

by Anonymousreply 94February 17, 2014 7:43 PM

I guess it brings up the bigger question: are the people at Landmark true believers in what they do or do they know it's all a scam? Or maybe the question is -at what level do they know it's a scam?

by Anonymousreply 95February 17, 2014 7:58 PM

R96 Maybe the bigger question is why does every half-wit who moves to California get sucked into these things?

I have no sympathy for Mr. Jackson. He's not taking responsibility for his own behavior, which is pretty disgusting. He comes a cross as a low class jerk.

Some of you act as if he's mentally retarded. He's a 38 year old man who's a self absorbed flake. Jason is an opportunist, and the brother in law is duping people out of their hard earned money.

These are bad people doing bad things, do we always need to find excuses?

by Anonymousreply 96February 17, 2014 9:22 PM

I don't think flake covers it. I think he has genuine mental health issues.

by Anonymousreply 97February 17, 2014 9:36 PM

Dog lady tell us more that you know, please.

by Anonymousreply 98February 17, 2014 9:50 PM

Dog Lady! We've been wondering where you were! I'm guessing there's some info behind your post at r98 that you may not be able to share, but can you tell us how Monte is doing? I don't know why because I don't know him personally, but I really do hope that he's doing well and that he has a good support system.

by Anonymousreply 99February 17, 2014 10:12 PM

I hope Monte and Brillo are doing well, too.

It's very scary how those organizations run and thrive.

by Anonymousreply 100February 17, 2014 10:53 PM

I would think Monte got all of their couple/New York friends in the break-up. I'm sure he has a good support system, considering how sympathetic everyone on here is towards him. The people who actually know and care about him are probably helping him out a lot.

by Anonymousreply 101February 17, 2014 11:42 PM

Were there a lot of photos of Jason's brother on Cheyenne's page that were taken down, or was it just one?

by Anonymousreply 102February 17, 2014 11:45 PM

Monte accompanied Alan Cumming to an event at Lincoln Center awhile back. It was black-tie, he looked great and seemed to be in good spirits that evening. I was at the next table eavsdropping. They were both talking with Sigourney Weaver and I overheard Alan say that his husband wasn't feeling we'll so Monte was his stand in. Then Alan gave me a dirty look so I stopped leaning into their conversation. I work for a Talent Agency in NY, most industry people here think Cheyenne has lost his marbles.

by Anonymousreply 103February 18, 2014 12:08 AM

He's handled himself very well. I'm sure some gossip rags would have paid him for a tell all interview.

by Anonymousreply 104February 18, 2014 12:15 AM

I would think with organizations like Landmark, the people at the very top (which it sounds like Marc might be) clearly understand what a lucrative, money making scam it is.

by Anonymousreply 105February 18, 2014 12:22 AM

Finally! Some good gossip. I just Googled "Alan Cumming Monte Lapka" and these pictures came up. The event was on 10/30/13 - after the divorce.

r104 is right - I don't think Monte ever looked this good in the pictures Cheyenne posted. (and I'm digging the funky tux)

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by Anonymousreply 106February 18, 2014 12:24 AM

He could pass as Jared Leto's brother in that picture.

by Anonymousreply 107February 18, 2014 12:27 AM

[quote]Queerity is so lame. No AA group has a no-dating "RULE." And you cant get kicked out of AA. The ignorance about AA on here is staggering.

For AA as a whole, this is true. However, there are meetings/groups that are "culty" and impose all sorts of ridiculous rules on members and violate the traditions left, right and center. The Pacific Group led by the guru "Clancy" is one of them. The have rules and enforce them through the sponsors who are devoted to Clancy. (e.g. cannot take psychiatric medications like antidepressants, among many.) Sponsors will drop sponsees sometimes effectively cutting them off from that particular meeting/group. There are offshoots of the PG all over the place.

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by Anonymousreply 108February 18, 2014 12:59 AM

Knowing how culty Jason is they probably did meet at one of those kinds of groups R109!

by Anonymousreply 109February 18, 2014 1:06 AM

Why is Monte treated like a Boy Scout? Maybe he was emotionally abusive.

by Anonymousreply 110February 18, 2014 1:09 AM

I meant add, that while people aren't "kicked out" officially, there is ostracism and shunning. They're apostates, after all.

by Anonymousreply 111February 18, 2014 1:13 AM

r111 - That might be true, but the picture Cheyenne painted of him was that of a very supportive husband, not an emotionally abusive one. If he's guilty of anything, it's probably being an enabler.

by Anonymousreply 112February 18, 2014 1:18 AM

Monte is awesome- he really is.

by Anonymousreply 113February 18, 2014 1:23 AM

Do you know him, r114?

by Anonymousreply 114February 18, 2014 2:06 AM

I don't think Monte is a saint. But, it's obvious to everyone that Jackson's life has spun wildly out of control since he moved to weho. Left to his own devices most people now realize how crazy Chey-anne actually is.

Dont even get me started on the culty new BF.

by Anonymousreply 115February 18, 2014 2:07 AM

R112, STFU.

No one is ever kicked out of AA, that's ludicrous.

by Anonymousreply 116February 18, 2014 2:09 AM

If Cheyenne really did get wrapped up in a cult, then I feel sorry for him. I hope someone helps him get out.

by Anonymousreply 117February 18, 2014 2:13 AM

R117 did you even read their post about the culty sects of AA.

Having been in a non-cult AA myself for over a year, I can tell you that AA itself is almost a cult. They would not take no for an answer for me not believing in God. They would humor me while making it obvious that they were sure I would eventually start believing. I have zero trouble believing that some people have created a cult wing of AA that violates the principles of AA. It would be weird if there wasn't one.

by Anonymousreply 118February 18, 2014 2:16 AM

Do you bother with reading, R117? People leave when they're shunned and ostracized or generally treated like shit. Is it an official getting kicked out? No. It's de facto and it happens. The culty AA groups don't want dissenters or disagreement and treat theme like pariahs.

Have you spent your Saturdays doing housework and yard work for Clancy, R117? Because that's a "requirement" in Pacific Group.

"STFU"? You must be working your program...

by Anonymousreply 119February 18, 2014 2:20 AM

Some are saying that Cheyenne had mental problems before he and Monte broke up and that the divorce and subsequent events just exposed it.

If this is true, I'm wondering why Monte would have stuck around?

by Anonymousreply 120February 18, 2014 2:29 AM

I thought this guy kinda explained it all right to the point.

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by Anonymousreply 121February 18, 2014 2:58 AM

Interesting video at r122. (Not a very funny comedian, though)

His final comments about Landmark devotees having no conscience does make Cheyenne's behavior with Jason more understandable - particularly the engagement. Everyone else is asking "how could he?" but if he's feeling no guilt for cheating and destroying his marriage, then he wouldn't have any concerns about getting engaged so quickly.

by Anonymousreply 122February 18, 2014 3:52 AM

[quote]Having been in a non-cult AA myself for over a year, I can tell you that AA itself is almost a cult. They would not take no for an answer for me not believing in God.

HUH? I've been sober in AA for over 25 years and an Atheist the whole time. I know tons of non0deists, what are you talking about? You must listen to only a very few people who suit your argument.

by Anonymousreply 123February 18, 2014 4:49 AM

R124 nope, I was in AA in Boulder, Colorado and while I came across quite a few other people with frustrations such as mine, all of us were annoyed by how we were treated as atheists in AA there. It caused a lot of people to lose interest in the program or leave. There were a lot of good people and I managed to find a good sponsor but the majority were as I described.

by Anonymousreply 124February 18, 2014 4:59 AM

R124 also I want to add that the religion thing was an annoyance for me but everybody I met in AA was very serious about adhering to the traditions, I'm just saying that I ran into a lot of people who seemed to have a cult mentality and I am not surprised that some people would break off and make an AA group that is not in the spirit of the program.

by Anonymousreply 125February 18, 2014 5:01 AM

Somebody said they'd like to tweet this thread to Cheyenne, but I'd actually prefer to send it to his family.Yes, he's a grown man making his own decisions, but I hope they're not clueless to all of this. I think it's really scary and upsetting.

by Anonymousreply 126February 18, 2014 1:39 PM

When he did that radio interview right after his separation was announced, he said that his mom and sister had called him all upset when they heard he shaved his head and went crazy or something.

I think that shows at least his mom and sister do pay attention to what's said about him on gossip sites (and believe it and get upset by it.) I'm sure they know about all of this, and are very upset and concerned, but as others have already said, what can they really do about it?

by Anonymousreply 127February 18, 2014 1:44 PM

Nobody is saying Monte's a saint, and nobody knows what was going on in that marriage, but this all had to be just be insanely hard on him. Perez blaming him for the tape leaking was bad enough. At least Monte's not in the public eye and can grieve his marriage in private.

by Anonymousreply 128February 18, 2014 2:09 PM

I hope this doesn't age his evergreen mother.

by Anonymousreply 129February 18, 2014 2:14 PM

His family can't exactly lock him up or force him to do anything.

by Anonymousreply 130February 18, 2014 2:35 PM

It seemed like he was hanging out with his family a lot for while a couple of months ago. There haven't been any photos of them since Christmas.

by Anonymousreply 131February 18, 2014 3:45 PM

I think the family is probably concerned that they could be "cut out" of Cheyenne's life like Monte was and are trying to maintain ties. He appeared to end his marriage rather easily - I remember the interview with Frank DeCaro that r128 references. Cheyenne said his divorce was a "sad thing" but he was very upbeat about it. And then he moved on to the next topic.

If he can end a 13-year relationship as quickly and effortlessly as it appeared he did, then it's not a huge leap to think he could do the same with his family if Landmark deems them a threat.

by Anonymousreply 132February 18, 2014 3:50 PM

It's unlikely Jackson would change his behavior even if a family member spoke to him. He is behaving as if everything he does is normal. This is someone profoundly out of touch with reality acting on impulse. Now I’m getting divorced, Now I’m getting married, Now I’m getting tattoos, etc. He’s doing things simply because he can.This sort of acting out is indicative of someone struggling with sobriety/drug addiction. He is replacing the drug and alcohol high by keeping the volatility of his life at a constant heightened level.

Landmark’s no guilt policy only works if you’re dealing with a mentally stable person. Applying no guilt to impulse behavior is a recipe for disaster, and in Jackson’s case it’s creating someone who is borderline sociopathic. The most dangerous part of this is, Landmark is providing a type of psychological treatment which is being administired by non-medical professionals. There is a real danger of them doing more damage than good here.

I would love NY Magazine or some legit press to take this story on. I know most people outside of the Gay world have no idea who Jackson is, but it’s a fascinating story nonetheless. Marc Landau scares the shit out of me.

by Anonymousreply 133February 18, 2014 3:50 PM

Apologies if this posts twice.

I think Cheyenne's family may be concerned that they're the next to be "cut out" of his life. When I heard the interview that r128 refers to, I remember how upbeat he was when he said the end of his marriage was a "sad thing." That's all he's really said about it - it's a sad thing. Clearly, he's not sad about it and had little trouble ending a 13-year relationship.

If Landmark considers his family any kind of threat, I think they might begin distancing him from his family as well - he's clearly easily to manipulate.

by Anonymousreply 134February 18, 2014 3:57 PM

If this was my brother or my son, I'd be sick.

by Anonymousreply 135February 18, 2014 4:02 PM

Landmark also doesn't "let you in" if you're already in therapy of any sort.

by Anonymousreply 136February 18, 2014 4:06 PM

That's why I wonder what Jason was doing at that AA meeting. It seems pretty clear to me that Landmark follows the Sciento script and sends people out to recruit through seduction. Jason was probably at those meetings waiting to pounce on someone.

R125, in my experience, it's just an excuse some people give to justify not doing the work of the program. There are atheists in AA who are incredibly successful in recovery. AA only asks that you have something you can see as greater than yourself, because addicts have big egos. I have a friend who goes to the ocean, and uses its beauty as his higher power. The fact that you got fixated on the religion thing says something about your commitment, frankly. 'Take what you need and leave the rest'. AA doesn't ask that you buy everything that's said by everyone. But the ego is a powerful thing, and it's easy to justify.

by Anonymousreply 137February 18, 2014 4:36 PM

So there's a chance Jason was never even an addict?

This keeps getting weirder.

by Anonymousreply 138February 18, 2014 4:39 PM

[quote]Landmark also doesn't "let you in" if you're already in therapy of any sort.

Unless you have $600 R137

by Anonymousreply 139February 18, 2014 5:09 PM

I can't help it...I feel sorry for him.

by Anonymousreply 140February 18, 2014 5:13 PM

Looks like Landmark or Jackson's people got to Queerty.

Queerty has rewritten the article taking out any mention of the word CULT or that Landmark has been under investigation by Federal and State gov. It now refers to Landmark as a self-help organization.

Interesting to note, the article still leaves in the following:

“they met in AA and were kicked out of the chapter for breaking the no-dating rules.”

Landau, an instructor with the self help, EST-offshoot group Landmark Forum, in order to “start fresh.”

This seems to confirm the validity of the story, if these two items were left in

How long until this thread is killed?

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by Anonymousreply 141February 18, 2014 5:24 PM

I feel the information is out there and the damage is done so it doesn't even matter.

I hope Cheyenne gets help.

by Anonymousreply 142February 18, 2014 5:39 PM

R141, and you are what we call, "an enabler".

by Anonymousreply 143February 18, 2014 5:44 PM

This relationship will have a very dramatic end. It'll be interesting

by Anonymousreply 144February 18, 2014 5:46 PM

R142, it's despicable that Queerty would kowtow to Landmark that way, but not surprising, I guess. It will be interesting to see what happens to this thread. :)Don't give in, mod!!

R143, the irony is that he thinks he is getting help.

by Anonymousreply 145February 18, 2014 5:47 PM

They've both barely been posting on social media.

by Anonymousreply 146February 18, 2014 7:03 PM

Landau mightn't be an addict? Does that mean that those things aren't dentures?

by Anonymousreply 147February 18, 2014 8:16 PM

R138 K well you can believe what you want about me. I used space as my higher power. As I said, there were a lot of good people but there WERE also a lot of annoying people who were irritating about my lack of religion and crossed boundaries about it. It depended on what meeting it was. I met amazing people there and I know that for them AA was and still is completely life-saving but it's not without fault in my opinion. Also keep in mind I was 19 at the time.

by Anonymousreply 148February 18, 2014 8:38 PM

R142 I wonder if it's only Cheyenne's people doing damage control or if perhaps Landmark's people are getting involved as well.

Cheyenne's people aren't doing him any favors by covering up the cult aspect of this situation. Exposure may be the best to get him out of it.

by Anonymousreply 149February 18, 2014 8:43 PM

I think he is an addict. This is pre-Cheyenne.

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by Anonymousreply 150February 18, 2014 8:48 PM

I was thinking the same thing, that it might be a good thing for Cheyenne's mental health if all of this is exposed and he can have no choice but to get help.

by Anonymousreply 151February 18, 2014 8:49 PM

I do notice that he never said anything about his one year though and should have been after he met Cheyenne..........

by Anonymousreply 152February 18, 2014 8:56 PM

Ohe wait yes he did nevermind.

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by Anonymousreply 153February 18, 2014 8:58 PM

This is kinda interesting...Landmark is banned in France.

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by Anonymousreply 154February 18, 2014 9:42 PM

R154 Maybe Jason, but there is no way in hell Cheyenne has been sober 1 year

by Anonymousreply 155February 19, 2014 1:23 AM

Well, did Jason join Landmark so he could justify drinking and drugging again? I mean, I'm sure Scientology is full of active addicts!

by Anonymousreply 156February 19, 2014 1:33 AM

Not to derail the conversation, but just what is it about this country that makes us so prime for cults? Lack of critical thinking capacity? Superstitious people who prefer magic to science?

by Anonymousreply 157February 19, 2014 2:13 AM

Does anyone else wonder if Cheyenne is bipolar? I have a close friend who is, and he became manic once and did something very similar. Walked out on his long term partner, drew almost all the money out of their bank account, flew to California and immediately hooked up with some guy. Eventually my friend crashed and flew home because he'd gone through all their money. this whole scenario seems so bipolar to me, and the Landmark creep seems like someone who would have pounced on a sick person.

by Anonymousreply 158February 19, 2014 2:16 AM

wow - this thread hasn't been deleted yet. That's cool.

We've heard about all the Scienos but Cheyenne is the first "celebrity" that I've heard about being involved with Landmark. Are there any others out there?

by Anonymousreply 159February 19, 2014 5:15 AM

these two are still together? I am surprised...

by Anonymousreply 160February 19, 2014 5:21 AM

I think everyone is surprised it's lasted this long.

by Anonymousreply 161February 19, 2014 5:23 AM

R150 Cheyenne's people? lol, if he has "people", maybe they/he/she should help him get some real projects.

by Anonymousreply 162February 19, 2014 5:38 AM

R133 someone I know has been friends with Cheyenne since he came to NYC. She's worried if she says anything, he'll cut her off and lose one more tie to before. I'm sure his family feels the same way.

by Anonymousreply 163February 19, 2014 6:00 AM

[quote]nope, I was in AA in Boulder, Colorado...

Isn't that part of Colorado one of the biggest "Christian" hotspots in America? Of course the God and religio-loons are aggressive there! I honestly haven't ever even had anyone roll their eyes at me for not believing in "Supernatural Gods and Monsters"! I don't shy from being as fervent as "people of faith", even though I know they won't change their minds.

by Anonymousreply 164February 19, 2014 6:42 AM

Not at all R165, it's extremely liberal and it's a college town (CU). The gay pride event was a big thing there, and they have an openly gay representative (or did when I was there, Jared Polis) You're probably thinking of Colorado Springs, which is known for things like Ted Haggard's old church before his downfall.

by Anonymousreply 165February 19, 2014 6:50 AM

Does Landmark share the same views on medication as Scientology does? Maybe that explains a lot if he's gone off of medication since becoming involved?

This is pretty sad. His family must be so upset and worried.

by Anonymousreply 166February 19, 2014 10:51 AM

One thing that I noticed throughout all of this makes more sense in light of recent revelations.

Cheyenne seemed so attached to his dog Brillo. He was always posting photos of the dog,calling him his "hairy son". I even remember once he posted a photo with a caption like "I can't believe anybody could give a dog like Brillo up, but I'm so happy they did."

And then fast forward a couple of months and he has another dog (Jason's), referring to her as "our baby girl" and acting like she's his dog, all smiles.

I thought that was incredibly weird and pretty hurtful and I was happy Brillo wasn't able to surf the 'net and feel replaced.

I wondered if he actually felt extremely guilty and sad about losing Brillo and this was his way of overcompensating some deep grief/guilt.

But now, it's like--so he was brainwashed and that's why he so easily detached from his old life and dog?

I'm sure Brillo is being taken care of well by Monte and probably missed Cheyenne for a few weeks and then adapted,because that's what dogs do.

But I didn't realize grown men were able to adapt and forget that quickly.

I think this is very sad and disturbing.

by Anonymousreply 167February 19, 2014 2:47 PM

Everybody keeps asking why his friends and family aren't doing anything, but what can they really do?

by Anonymousreply 168February 19, 2014 3:09 PM

Somebody asked about Landmark's views on meds, and I find that interesting and tried Googling "Landmark Forum" and "medication."

What came up was the application for the Landmark Forum:

Read #5 under the warnings. You shouldn't take the former if you have a history of bi-polar disorder or have been on any kind of meds in the past year.

This is all insane and I'm actually really hoping for Cheyenne's sake that it's good that it's all semi-public now. I really hope he gets help.

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by Anonymousreply 169February 19, 2014 3:33 PM

R168 - I don't know if its Landmark or the fact that Cheyenne has severe mental health issues.But, I feel he's living in a fantasy world. Well adjusted people simply do not act the way he does. You're looking for rational behavior from a crazy person, and your not going to find it.

by Anonymousreply 170February 19, 2014 4:07 PM

I think this is all a very troubling situation.

I don't know how many close friends he has from pre-stardom, but it's probably not too many.

I'm sure some people have addressed to him how worried they are about him, but then he goes on Instagram and posts a photo of himself and Jason and gets 600 "likes" and comments on what a gorgeous couple they are and how everyone is so happy for them and I feel like that is the only feedback he listens to.

I'm worried about the guy and I was barely familiar with him before all of this.

by Anonymousreply 171February 19, 2014 4:13 PM

Landmark is very cult-like. I had to end a friendship when someone I'd known for eight years or so, abruptly ceased being normal and went into a campaign mode, harassing me again and again to attend a Landmark seminar/program. He would NOT relent. So I zapped him.

by Anonymousreply 172February 19, 2014 4:17 PM

Didn't somebody on here say Jason tried to recruit them personally?

by Anonymousreply 173February 19, 2014 4:31 PM

Okay, that application is scary.

by Anonymousreply 174February 19, 2014 5:54 PM

R172, and that's always the problem with celebs, even minor ones. Sycophantic fans who fawn over their every word, even when it's clear that what they're doing is messed up.

It's a shame, it really is.

by Anonymousreply 175February 19, 2014 6:12 PM

That crap dominated the gay and lesbian community in St. Louis in the 90s. Then everyone wised up that it was a cult, and they were gone. Even shut their office here.

by Anonymousreply 176February 19, 2014 6:13 PM

There's really a lot of bad stuff about it online.

To whoever asked why there wasn't more recent articles and exposes online, maybe it's because the popularity has died down due to its reputation? It looks like even Marc Landau has left in the past few years.

It's all freaky.

by Anonymousreply 177February 19, 2014 7:28 PM

R168 I'm sure he misses his dog and he wouldn't necessarily talk about it on social media. When my dog died I didn't do more than one post about it and I was devastated.

by Anonymousreply 178February 20, 2014 2:23 AM

I'm glad Monte got Brillo. My dog helped me get through some very tough times and I'm sure it's the same for him. It was clear through Cheyenne's tweets and photos that Monte is a dog lover so I'll bet he and little Brillo have been very good for each other.

by Anonymousreply 179February 20, 2014 4:30 AM

R180 I doubt Marc Landau has 'left" Landmark. People that senior in organizations like this never leave , unless it's on bad terms.

On his resume, Marc says he received his "Masters Degree in Listening" from Landmark Education a year after he supposedly left.

That Monte has custody of Brillo does not surprise me. I've live in Hell's Kitchen for 15 years. I frequently see Monte and Brillo about the neighborhood or at the Clinton Dog Run. In that entire time I have never seen Cheyenne walk Brillo or their previous dog Zora for that matter. I've never seen Cheyenne at the Dog Run - which is frequented by many NY Gay celebrities. I've routinely seen Michael Urie, Thomas Roberts, Gavin Creel, Jonathan Groff - but never Jackson.

I follow Jackson on twitter and always found it odd he would tweet about his dogs so much when he never seemed to do anything with them . That he frequently tweets about Jason's dog doesn't surprise me.

R170 Is it only bipolar or should all borderline personalities stay away from Landmark teaching ? Jackson certainly has classic bipolar traits - which makes his involvement with Jason and Marc even scarier.

by Anonymousreply 180February 20, 2014 11:56 AM

This is the application's exact words:

5. While it is ultimately your choice, OUR ADVISORS STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE in the Programme if you: (a) have a personal or family history of bi-polar affective disorder (manic-depressive disorder), schizophrenia, acute or chronic depression or other psychotic disorder, whether or not you or they are being or have ever been treated or hospitalised; (b) are taking, have taken or been prescribed to take within the previous twelve months anti-anxiety drugs (such as Librium, Ativan, Klonapin, Xanax, Dormicum or others); anti-depressants (such as Elavil, Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Cipram, Prothiaden or others); anti-psychotics (such as Thorazine, Haldol, Stelazine, Risperdal, Zyprexa, Dogmatil or others); any medication to treat bi-polar disorders (such as Lithium, Gabapentin or Depakote); any drugs or medicines, whether prescription or non-prescription, intended to treat or affect mental processes or mood or to treat a chemical imbalance; or anabolic steroids; (c) have an unresolved history of drug or steroid abuse; (d) are or have in the past year been depressed and/or considered or had ideas of suicide, self-harm or harm to another; (e) are currently in therapy and your therapist sees a health reason why you should not participate in the Programme; or (f) are uncertain about your physical, mental or emotional ability to participate in the Programme.

by Anonymousreply 181February 20, 2014 2:16 PM

We've had a few "friends of friends" and "friend from the dog park" post, but I'm actually curious to know how close/old friends are handing the engagement? Are they actually able to wish them the best and say congratulations, where are you guys registering? I think I'd find it impossible to do that if I was a friend. Maybe he really has just disconnected from all of his old friends (he must have had a lot of good friends in the theater community in the city) and only bothers with Jason's friends and Landmark people now.

by Anonymousreply 182February 20, 2014 2:22 PM

I don't think anyone is arguing that Monte shouldn't have custody of Brillo, just that it's sad how quickly Cheyenne seemed to move on from both Monte AND Brillo. All those photos on Instagram are just flaunting the fact. I think it's sad and doesn't look well for him.

by Anonymousreply 183February 20, 2014 2:29 PM

Is all seriousness, hasn't Cheyenne posted stuff about being friends with Leah Remini? Didn't she famously escape Scientology? Maybe she can help him.

by Anonymousreply 184February 20, 2014 2:36 PM

Cheyenne did a pilot (that wasn't picked up) with Leah Rimini. I don't know how close they are, but she was very outspoken in her criticism of Scientology. Maybe she would have the guts to say something to him.

by Anonymousreply 185February 20, 2014 2:52 PM

I actually really hope she does.

by Anonymousreply 186February 20, 2014 2:53 PM

I'm glad,for the most part, the general consensus on here is that everyone does want this guy to get his act together.

I remember his early days in the city and always hearing people say he was the sweetest, most genuine guy and almost like a naive kid. I really don't think that was all an act, and this hardly all sounds like even the same person. There's obviously a lot of stuff going on that he has to work through.I don't know if he has to hit rock bottom before he starts to get better, but I really hope he can turn things around.

by Anonymousreply 187February 20, 2014 3:11 PM

Unlike the rest of you, I DO NOT think Cheyenne's family should confront him. He will cut them out of his life. He’s an adult and will need to come to his own decisions or stay in this mess permanently.

One of the 1st things the teach you in LF and Scieno is, that anyone questioning is trying to prevent you from obtaining “the knowledge” these programs can give you. You’re warned to have limited contact with this kind of negativity or in Scientology speak suppressive person.

Your taught never answer questions challenging the validity of Landmark. Rather flip the question back at the person questioning you.

Here are a few standard answers you should give anyone challenging your involvement with LF.

1 - How does it feel to know everything?

2 - Is it a burden to have all of the answers to all of life’s questions?

3 - I’m trying to learn and better myself. Why would you try and prevent me from bettering myself?

by Anonymousreply 188February 20, 2014 3:26 PM

I really think this is all sad and sick. I hope they don't rush the wedding.

by Anonymousreply 189February 20, 2014 3:35 PM

Re:189, do you have personal experiences with friends in Landmark or Scientology?

by Anonymousreply 190February 20, 2014 3:51 PM

[quote]Why would you try and prevent me from bettering myself?

No, it's "Why would you try to prevent me from bettering myself."

by Anonymousreply 191February 20, 2014 3:58 PM

191 To answer both questions, yes. You will never win or convince anyone in the throes of this with logic. You can only detach and hope they figure it out themselves.

by Anonymousreply 192February 20, 2014 4:08 PM

In all those stories and links people have posted throughout this thread, I didn't notice any that suggested people got heavily involved and "got out". Most seemed to be either "I went to one meeting and ran for my life" or "I had a friend that got involved, she completely changed and then I totally lost touch with her."

Leah Remini might be our only hope here.

by Anonymousreply 193February 20, 2014 4:10 PM

Attention Cheyennetologists,FANADU's, and weird fangurls your new slogan must be:

Help us Princess Leah Remini you're our only hope!

by Anonymousreply 194February 20, 2014 4:18 PM

Here's a good account:

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by Anonymousreply 195February 20, 2014 4:47 PM

Has anybody actually met Jason or seen him? I'm curious as to what he's like in person.

by Anonymousreply 196February 20, 2014 4:56 PM

to sum up R196 link to a 5 page article on Landmark

Landmark's Philosophy:

“Life is meaningless and we are meaning-making machines.”

How to get over it:

"Do Whatever You Want, Don't Worry Be Happy!"

Landmark Forum:

3 days locked in a conference room at a Ramada Inn next to the airport will induce an existential crisis for almost everyone. So, don't worry, be happy.

Likely scenario from exposure to Landmark technology:

You will run for your life

You will become a Landmark Zombie

You will become an overly-inspired L.A. asshole who’s high on their own positivity and can only talk about one thing; self-help.

by Anonymousreply 197February 20, 2014 7:28 PM

He has a "Masters Degree in Listening"? Cheyenne seems like a narcissist but he must have been a ripe victim for this sort of nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 198February 20, 2014 7:33 PM

I have a feeling they really might just run off and get married very quickly.

by Anonymousreply 199February 20, 2014 7:50 PM

Especially now. Clearly Landmark has some inkling that this is being put out there on gay sites. So they must be putting on some pressure somewhere, and they certainly don't want even this very minor celeb slipping out of their grasp. who knows, there may already have been wedding bells.

by Anonymousreply 200February 20, 2014 11:21 PM

R189 / R193 based on your experience with Landmark and Scientology: for those (including possibly yourself) who did get away from these organizations - how did that happen? If they tune out all negative feedback from family and friends, how do they "snap out of it?" What triggers them to question the teachings if it's not something external?

by Anonymousreply 201February 21, 2014 1:01 AM

Here's an interesting article from 2010. Check out Monte's comments. He clearly knows (knew) Cheyenne pretty we'll. sadly ironic.

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by Anonymousreply 202February 22, 2014 8:58 PM

pretty WELL

by Anonymousreply 203February 22, 2014 9:01 PM

To answer the "what can anybody do" question 202 asked, this site has some "do's and don't".

Nothing new there, basically what a lot have been writing on here. Don't criticize the cult too much or you'll push them away, but, importantly, remain a supportive and loving friend no matter what.

It looks like Cheyenne is close to his family, and I'm sure he has at least a few true friends that aren't after anything from him. (As somebody already said, he definitely has enough sycophantic "friends" on Instagram and Twitter, but that isn't going to cut it.)

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by Anonymousreply 204February 22, 2014 9:48 PM

Landmark even has a program for very young kids. (Starting at 8.) That's just crazy.

by Anonymousreply 205February 22, 2014 9:54 PM

He actually does seem likable and fairly down-to-earth in that OUT article. This whole thing is sad and extremely weird and I really do hope he gets his act together. I was hoping this all wasn't as bad as it looked a while ago.

by Anonymousreply 206February 22, 2014 9:57 PM

He's been very quiet on social media. Maybe it's a good sign that he's working things out out of the spotlight?

by Anonymousreply 207February 22, 2014 11:58 PM

More like his handlers told him to tone it down, r208. But...I agree with the posters who think Jason (and Landmark) may persuade him to quietly run off and get married. I'm sure they want to legally tie Cheyenne to Jason as quickly as possible. Makes it that much harder to leave (both the husband and the cult).

by Anonymousreply 208February 23, 2014 12:13 AM

Her left that last husband pretty damn easy

by Anonymousreply 209February 23, 2014 12:32 AM

Agreed, but the last husband wasn't in a cult.

by Anonymousreply 210February 23, 2014 1:29 AM

He was raised by fundies. Big piece of the puzzle.

by Anonymousreply 211February 23, 2014 3:22 AM

Agreed that he always seemed sweet and goodhearted in older interviews, which is why I find this whole thing so depressing.

by Anonymousreply 212February 23, 2014 4:39 AM

Do you mean that in a way that the "Fundies" would be accepting of Landmark? Maybe his parents do know all of this and are fine with it?

by Anonymousreply 213February 23, 2014 4:41 AM

This all just feels like a really weird Law and Order episode at this point.

I hope this guy gets help, and I hope anybody that has been hurt in this saga finds peace.

by Anonymousreply 214February 23, 2014 4:56 AM

Well, he can't be that sweet and good-natured. It's pretty vindictive and mean-spirted to be saying publicly that this 'relationship' with the cult creep is the love of his life, and that sort of thing. There's no need to state things like that publicly; he's clearly lashing, out at some level. And I still remember the Advocate interview, where he stated it by saying that his manager told him not to talk about his tricks. That's not 'guilelessness', that's just a lack of good boundaries.

Being raised in a fundie home primed him to be in a cult. And I'm sure his family, at some level, prefers the idea that his life is structured and controlled. He's easier to 'manage'.

by Anonymousreply 215February 23, 2014 5:56 AM

Agree with 216

Crazy or not Jackson is coming across as a self absorbed jerk. And the new (boyfriend / fiancé) is trouble with a capital T . If Jason truly cared about Cheyenne he'd tell him to lay low and stop all the public pronouncements and Press Releases that don't have anything to do with his work. But that's the Landmark BS they have bought in to. Do what ever you want!

Talk about boundary issues, the new boyfriend is so desperate to get famous its almost nauseating. And they both are so immature. I don't think Ive ever seen men in their late 30's act as idiotic as these two do on social media.

I've always wondered why Jackson never became a bigger star. He certainly had more chances then most. I imagine most industry people don't take him seriously as an actor or singer because he's such a flake. I don't think his new husband or religion is going to help him out in that regard.

by Anonymousreply 216February 23, 2014 8:15 AM

Here is the pit about Monte Lapka from R203 s link

[/italic] For Lapka, Jackson's guileless quality and big-hearted enthusiasm is both an asset and a liability. 'He goes into every situation believing in everyone,' he says. 'That's a wonderful quality, but it also leaves him exposed. If I could change anything about that I'd want him to self-protect more, but I don't think he'd be the same person if he did.' Tall and muscular, with a keen, dry wit, Lapka loves to quote from books and TV shows (he describes his relationship to Jackson by paraphrasing a line from The Simpsons, in which Homer tells Marge, 'Our differences are on the surface, but our sames go all the way down.') and tends to stay in the background, volleying quips whenever they encounter annoying celebrity behavior.[/italic]

[/italic]For his part, Jackson looks to Lapka, who he met in Seattle -- 'he was working at corporate Starbucks doing his science-nerd algorithm physics stuff' -- as an example of how to be in his own life -- resolute, confident, fearless.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 217February 23, 2014 8:23 AM

Reading that about Monte is just truly, truly sad.

by Anonymousreply 218February 23, 2014 1:46 PM

If you look at Jason's Instagram, he's been posting photos with "his beautiful man" since just weeks after Cheyenne announced his break-up (and less than two months after he and Monte were marching in the Pride parade together.) I think that says it all. He couldn't WAIT to tell the world he was with, which is probably how that tape got passed around as well.

by Anonymousreply 219February 23, 2014 1:55 PM

It's interesting Monte hangs out with Alan Cumming. Is even the Broadway community Team Monte?

Agreed that Cheyenne probably did lose a lot of friends, and perhaps with his new conditioning, doesn't really notice or care.

This all keeps getting weirder. I wish no ill will on this guy and think he needs some help.

by Anonymousreply 220February 23, 2014 3:12 PM

It's evident Monte really did love this guy, and supported him, worried about him and took care of him for thirteen years. There's no doubt he kept him grounded and in check.

Given everything that has happened the past six months, he probably STILL is worried about him and can't believe this is the same person. I hope Monte is putting himself first and is doing well.

by Anonymousreply 221February 23, 2014 4:04 PM

Dangers of Embracing Landmark

The sort of "happiness" that Landmark pedals is potentially very costly. There is the financial cost of thousands of dollars in registration fees plus hundreds of hours of required volunteer time. I have watched people go into credit card debt just to maintain the relationship.

But then there are more abstract costs. Landmark might be called a "snob group," one which promotes elitism. For the system to work you have to believe that anyone not exposed Landmark is inferior. Like any other cult, it instills blind righteousness in its members. They will accuse friends and family of all sorts of personality faults and will attempt to recruit them in order to "fix" them. When the recruitment efforts fail then so do the relationships.

Another danger is the whole idea of making up your own reality. Imagining that others are ignorant is one thing, but what happens when you face a real crisis? Perhaps you'll avoid that difficult career decision that would have made you successful. Or maybe you'll get fired for ignoring a real problem at work. Perhaps you'll ignore a serious problem with your child (or worse, subject your child to Landmark's Forum for Young People). Landmark teaches you to go blissfully through life with your eyes shut. Responsible adults face problems and solve them.

Perhaps the worst side effect comes from being so dependent upon an organization that only pretends to care about you. If they abandon you, or if you suddenly wake up to what's really going on, you might crash hard. Psychologically speaking, it puts you on the edge of a cliff, with nothing to catch you if you fall. There are documented cases of people entering a paralyzing psychosis following an interaction with Landmark.

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by Anonymousreply 222February 23, 2014 4:13 PM

R219 regarding the tape. I agree about Jason!

Remove the whole cult aspect of this relationship. Cheyenne and his family have to be pretty dense if they can't put 2 + 2 together. All of the leaking of Cheyenne's personal information to the press started at exactly the same time Jason Landau entered his life and it's still continuing.

From Cheyenne's drugged out behavior at Michael McDonald's pool party (which he attended with Jason), to the sex tape that was presumably sent to Jason, to now their engagement ( a source exclusively told US Weekly) Jackson doesn't seem smart enough to be doing this as a calculated risk for more PR. And furthermore, Slate has been working overtime to clean up most of it.

If I had to bet, the leaking is being done by Jason or people close to him.

by Anonymousreply 223February 23, 2014 4:22 PM

That makes a lot of sense. A lot of posts on here make total sense and explain a lot, and aren't even being catty or bitchy and are just calling it exactly how it all looks.

by Anonymousreply 224February 23, 2014 4:41 PM

This thread has actually been pretty enlightening for it's non-Cheyenne info regarding Landmark and other cults.

I was reading through the cult Do's and Don'ts link posted upthread, and learned quite a bit. If Cheyenne was a friend or relative, I would've been inclined to tell him he was involved with a cult member...going so far as to send him all the horror stories I could about the organization. But it appears that you're supposed to keep records, keep tabs, and be cautiously supportive. Scary stuff.

by Anonymousreply 225February 23, 2014 4:51 PM

And I think, importantly, remember all the good qualities about that person that made you want to be their friend in the first place and keep reminding yourself they are, deep down, still that person and there is hope they can come back down to earth.

by Anonymousreply 226February 23, 2014 4:53 PM

Wow I hope he comes to his senses, but I'm not sure he has any. He seems to be the ideal psychological profile for cult fodder.

by Anonymousreply 227February 23, 2014 4:59 PM

Reading that interview with Monte is just so sad knowing,just two years after, all of this would fall apart.

This is all kinda horrifying. Hope there's a good resolution somehow.

by Anonymousreply 228February 23, 2014 5:26 PM

Jason's probably really nervous right about now that this could all end really quickly.

by Anonymousreply 229February 23, 2014 5:27 PM

I agree that learning about all this cult stuff aside from Cheyenne has been enlightening and interesting. I honestly had no idea it was all so common for people to get sucked into these things.

by Anonymousreply 230February 23, 2014 7:29 PM

This one quote seemed very relevant to this situation: "Landmark teaches you to go blissfully through life with your eyes shut. Responsible adults face problems and solve them."

I hope he comes back down to earth. I really do.

by Anonymousreply 231February 23, 2014 7:35 PM

Add me to the list of people who wish Monte the best.

by Anonymousreply 232February 24, 2014 5:11 AM

This thread is fascinating and insightful both on Mr. Jackson and the pitfalls of getting involved with self-help organizations. It’s also depressing as Jackson is unable to see his behavior in the same light as everyone else, and surrounded by” sycophants and yes men” he never will.

by Anonymousreply 233February 24, 2014 2:03 PM

I'm confused and probably applying too much logic here.

Guys on here have said that Landmark is probably very anxious to get Cheyenne "married into" them so they can have a celebrity spokesperson.

If that's true,doesn't the fact that Cheyenne is taking down photos of his brother-in-law negate all of that? What's the point then? I would think Jason and his brother would be hurt by Cheyenne refusing to acknowledge Mark and Landmark publicly.

The celebrities that practice Scientology are so vocal about it, they don't care how crazy everyone thinks they are.

I also agree on the crazy fans that think Cheyenne can do no wrong. I'm sure if he spoke about Landmark on Twitter, many of them would be so blind as to sign up.

by Anonymousreply 234February 24, 2014 2:12 PM

"Depressing" is the right word. This is all painful to watch, even as a spectator. The people who love him must be very upset.

by Anonymousreply 235February 24, 2014 2:31 PM

R235

Maybe Landmark, Jason, or Marc Landau requested the social media take downs or maybe it was his PR company, who knows?

Given Jackson's crazy behavior of late he's not a good spokesperson for anything, especially for a group that’s perceived as a cult. Maybe Landmark wanted to define his involvement but Queerty jumped the gun with this story. He certainly not a good example of how to get your life in order with Landmark technology.

by Anonymousreply 236February 24, 2014 2:49 PM

I would think right now, they'd be posting more photos than ever to show how happy and legit they are. I think the damage has been done with all the photos ten minutes after Cheyenne's break-up. It's weird the photos abruptly stopped once they got engaged.

by Anonymousreply 237February 24, 2014 3:06 PM

[italic]Landmark[/italic] is most attractive to those who are already into self-development, I'd say. Those who are 'victims' in life, who don't take responsibility for their own mind and thinking, need not apply. It is rigorous.

I did many of the programs, way back from '97-'99.

I am someone who enjoys such work--kind of didactic Socratic challenges, making you look at why you think as you do. I found it rewarding, those moments of seeing one's blind spots, areas in life you feel stuck, etc; and old "stories" of victimhood from one's past, that have unconsciously defined you. You are asked to "try on" a new paradigm--and immerse yourself in the lingo-- for the duration of the program. I personally love that kind of stuff.

Yes--there is the business element. They weave the concept of "owning" one's "transformation" that you supposedly have gone through in the first weekend program--The Forum--into their recruiting. ...If it has been successful, you will exude in your being a fundamental change for the better, that will attract others to the program, when you invite them. If it has been successful, you will want to organically invite others to experience this supposedly profound thing.

It can turn kind of weird, this pressure to invite others to the program, if you don't feel a legitimate change has happened within you.

I did feel like I had to take another, then another course...always chasing that elusive answer that would finally resolve whatever existential discontent I was feeling internally. I was only 25 at the time.

Ironically, one of my finest "breakthroughs" was being finally able to say "no" to any more courses.

Very few actual paid staff. Most people calling to recruit are participants in upper level programs. You do learn and practice skills that are useful--being 'present,' real listening, real communication, etc.

Really nothing to be scared of. Just people.

by Anonymousreply 238February 24, 2014 3:47 PM

I can see the truth in R223 though.

LOL. but psychosis? Really?

You have to have a strong mind to begin with, to get on this mental rollercoaster. And hopefully the journey it takes you on will be worth it.

These people aren't gods, though. Don't imbue them with powers they don't have. You are responsible for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 239February 24, 2014 4:04 PM

R239

I don’t think anyone is saying emotionally / mentally stable people can’t derive some benefit from self-help classes. However, on Landmark Forum’s own application it’s STRONGLY ADVISED people suffering from bi-polar or other psychological disorders DO NOT participate in this program, as there is a very real chance they may become unhinged; which in Jackson’s case seems to be the case.

by Anonymousreply 240February 24, 2014 4:08 PM

I'm finding this entire story very, very sad. Reading that interview with Monte was pretty heartbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 241February 24, 2014 4:13 PM

I didn't even think that Fundamental Christians would be more accepting of that organization. Interesting point. But I hope it's not true for Cheyenne's family's sake.

by Anonymousreply 242February 24, 2014 5:31 PM

Interesting--NPH is an advocate.

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by Anonymousreply 243February 24, 2014 7:32 PM

This account is just gross. The more I read, the more sickened and angry it makes me.

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by Anonymousreply 244February 24, 2014 8:45 PM

Cheyenne is ruled by impulse decision making. This is usually a sign that someone has mental problems and is struggling or not serious about their drug/alcohol recovery. Within the last 4-6 months Jackson has left his partner of 13 years, moved to weho, covered himself in some pretty ratchet tattoos, released a sex tape, sand now is engaged to someone he barely knows, all while acting out publicly in some very ridiculous ways?

NPH claims Landmark helped him lose the child star “baggage” and get “back on the right track.” in 1993.

Jackson continues to create his baggage now Anyone not worried about tho guys mental health should be. This guy needs structure and routine not a a new age philosophy giving him carte blanche to act out anyway he sees fit.

by Anonymousreply 245February 24, 2014 9:07 PM

This is all seriously disturbing stuff, but also really interesting.

by Anonymousreply 246February 24, 2014 10:12 PM

Oh geesh, NPH is in this cult? Crap.

by Anonymousreply 247February 25, 2014 2:28 AM

From what I gather, some people seem to just go to the first two sessions and get something from it and move on with their lives, never going back. I don't think everyone gets sucked into the culty side of it.

I do feel worried for this guy, especially after reading the Out article. Monte's words are extremely sad in retrospect. I think it's a scary situation. I don't think Cheyenne's a bad person at all, and don't think it's too late.

by Anonymousreply 248February 25, 2014 6:36 AM

What does France know that USA does not?

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by Anonymousreply 249February 25, 2014 7:13 AM

Reading recent interviews - Cheyenne he is now using Landmark speak and catch words. in particular the word "authentic". This word is drilled into you by the the forum and LF education. And any Landmark nut starts talking about this authentic self.

Cheyenne quote from Dec 23, 2014 Interview on something called Accidental Bear:

“I’m at the point in my life where I don’t want to be anything but authentic, sometimes it is ugly or not what people expect, ”

He's also lying in this interview , as he is now claiming to have been sober since summer of 2012. There have been numerous reports of Jackson showing up under the influence as late as 6 months ago, and he appears to have been be high in his sex tape which was released in September.

It's all really sad.

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by Anonymousreply 250February 25, 2014 11:33 AM

With having this crash course in the Landmark Forum through this thread, Jason Landau makes so much more sense than he did back in the summer.

Look at his Instagram history. He's posting photos flaunting Cheyenne within the same month as Cheyenne announcing his break-up. (And this isn't even a case of "maybe Cheyenne and Monte were secretly separated for six months. No,they were marching at Pride together and Cheyenne posted Happy Birthday greetings to his incredible husband just weeks before that.)

He clearly had zero shame in the fact that he had an affair with a married man. Instead, he pretty much rubbed it in.

He should have kept a low profile and encouraged Cheyenne to do the same (if he truly cared about him), and he did the exact opposite.

Knowing Jason is a product of Landmark, it all makes sense. He has zero regard for anybody but himself and just goes through life doing whatever he wants.

by Anonymousreply 251February 25, 2014 1:59 PM

Jason was commenting on Instagram with the woman who is doing their wedding flowers.

I agree, the wedding will be very soon.

by Anonymousreply 252February 25, 2014 2:10 PM

Agreed that I can't imagine anybody who was friends with Cheyenne during his first marriage rushing out to buy an engagement gift right now. That's probably what the move to LA was also about, disconnecting from his life with Monte completely.

I think this is all sad and he's going to deeply regret a lot of his recent decisions very soon.

by Anonymousreply 253February 25, 2014 2:20 PM

Thinking about the sex tape scandal in light of hearing Monte talk about how trusting and gullible Cheyenne is/was. Do you think Jason carelessly emailed that tape around to friends, it ended up getting out to the public and then Jason told him something like, "I left my cellphone on the counter of the juice bar and somebody must have picked it up, went through my photos, recognized my semi-famous boyfriend jerking off and then emailed it to Perez Hilton?"

This is all actually starting to anger me. Wake up, Cheyenne.

by Anonymousreply 254February 25, 2014 2:24 PM

A Nancy Kulp sex tape would have received more media attention than Cheyenne's.

by Anonymousreply 255February 25, 2014 2:34 PM

What other Landmark vocabulary has he been using in interviews?

by Anonymousreply 256February 25, 2014 2:39 PM

The longer this goes on, the less sympathy I have for Cheyenne (which wasn't much to begin with). Yes, he's gullible and has had addiction issues, but he's an adult who should be capable of demonstrating some reasonable amount of common sense. I don't buy into the mental health stuff - I've never heard anything about Cheyenne's mental issues until he separated from Monte.

I remember there was a show on TBS called "My Boys" (or something like that) and this group of friends had one friend who was making bad decisions and acting like an asshole, so they staged a "Douchebag Intervention." I think that's what Cheyenne needs. That's what I would diagnose with him with - an acute case of "Douchebag."

by Anonymousreply 257February 25, 2014 2:53 PM

I figured personal "friends" of CJ would be coming out of the woodwork and posting on here. Would love to know their thoughts.

by Anonymousreply 258February 25, 2014 3:00 PM

Why are some of you so deeply invested in these guys? You don't know them, their lives, families, etc.?

People trying to get sober are usually a mess, rarely get it the first try ( or second or third...)

He's troubled. But most of you seem nuts with your pronouncements and speculations of someone none of you even know.

by Anonymousreply 259February 25, 2014 3:06 PM

Because people are nosey.

by Anonymousreply 260February 25, 2014 3:37 PM

R260 It's fascinating as Jackson and Landau are trying to present themselves and their situation as happy , normal, and sober, as is evident by the endless saccharine –sweet social media posts ; when the backstory appears to be quite the opposite.

The story is interesting because it has everything but the burned down orphanage in it. Drugs, Booze, cheating, prison tattoos, sex tapes, mental illness, joining a cult, show tunes, and gay marriage.

It’s a gossip site why do you care that people care?

by Anonymousreply 261February 25, 2014 3:48 PM

I really do feel awful for Monte. No, we don't know him, and even if there's a chance he's not a nice guy, Cheyenne still chose to be with him for thirteen years and does not deserve to have to go through all of this.

It appears Cheyenne was with somebody he could truly trust all those years. And now is with the polar opposite.

by Anonymousreply 262February 25, 2014 3:50 PM

Yes, it's a gossip site but this thread keeps getting bumped to the front page so that it seems there's new gossip. There isn't.

Two weeks ago we knew about the cult, prison tatts, divorce, pending marriage, and AAA. Nobody has anything new to add yet they keep bumping the thread.

by Anonymousreply 263February 25, 2014 3:58 PM

I agree that there is no new news.I think a lot of people were just fascinated by the Landmark stuff. Maybe start a Landmark spin-off thread?

by Anonymousreply 264February 25, 2014 4:24 PM

[quote]Maybe start a Landmark spin-off thread?

Yes, by all means start that thread R265. No doubt you'll have tons of gossip to add to it. And while you're at it, start a thread on ketchup and another on the best brand of thread for darning socks. They're all perfect for a gossip site and will have new things to add every few hours.

by Anonymousreply 265February 25, 2014 5:18 PM

R264, Good Heavens!! Someone must be putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read these threads?!!

STFU, loser.

by Anonymousreply 266February 25, 2014 6:54 PM

I think it's interesting new gossip that Neil Patrick is a Landmark promoter. Disheartening too. I guess Landmark is the Scientology for out gay people.

by Anonymousreply 267February 25, 2014 6:56 PM

R264 No one is purposely bumping this thread up. It's not as if its been sitting dormant for days and then someone randomly responds. This thread morphed into a discussion about people's personal experiences with Landmark and other cults. Most people including myself found the information insightful .... more so on the cult aspect than Jackson's douchebag behavior. And new information is added everyday , like NPH and discussed.

Why do you care so much? Are you Cheyenne's mother or Marc Landau?

by Anonymousreply 268February 25, 2014 7:05 PM

I WISH 264 was Cheyenne Jackson's mom. Maybe seeing all this would make her get him some help.

by Anonymousreply 269February 25, 2014 7:42 PM

HA HA Cheyenne is giving Datalounge and FU. He just posted a picture of Him Jason and Marc Landau at what looks like a Landmark meeting

With a caption "Three of my favorite humans. Ben Toth, (my heterosexual musical life partner) @jasonrlandau & @marc_landau"

Got to love this crazy bastard!

[quote]Trying to explain the true nature of Landmark to one of it's countless zombies is impossible. You cannot help someone who enjoys their problem - it's worse than telling a heroin addict to stop - at least the addict who cannot stop is aware they are destroying themselves. [quote]

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by Anonymousreply 270February 26, 2014 7:10 PM

Had the same thought.

Honestly, if it's something he believes in, he should just be open about it and sing its praises publicly.

by Anonymousreply 271February 26, 2014 8:59 PM

People keep saying Jason has dentures, but his brother's teeth ARE very similar to his!

So Cheyenne's music partner is into this thing too?

by Anonymousreply 272February 26, 2014 9:01 PM

Sia is into Landmark?

by Anonymousreply 273February 26, 2014 9:22 PM

Apparently, so were Yoko Ono, Valerie Harper and John Denver!

by Anonymousreply 274February 26, 2014 9:26 PM

Apparently the Landmark cretins have started posting! R271, R272, not fooling anyone creeps.

by Anonymousreply 275February 27, 2014 1:31 AM

Yikes!!! What a scary picture! The walking dead!

by Anonymousreply 276February 27, 2014 1:32 AM

So, he's got his first recruit. Victim becomes perpetrator.

Scary.

by Anonymousreply 277February 27, 2014 6:29 PM

Well, that's how these things work, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 278February 27, 2014 6:51 PM

Are people not ALLOWED to talk about this thing publicly?

The websites all make reference to how you're not allowed to take notes or tape anything in the forums. Why wouldn't you be allowed to take notes?

Extremely strange. All of it. All of them.

by Anonymousreply 279February 27, 2014 7:07 PM

Does that mean they go after even the bloggers that talk about it and flame it if they made them sign non-disclosure agreements before the first seminar?

by Anonymousreply 280February 27, 2014 7:16 PM

Can you ask that question again r281? I couldn't figure out what you're asking.

I googled Jason Landau Landmark for the heck of it and this came up. It appears to be a Landmark Board on the web and I was very intrigued by post, and responses, of the poster named Bhakta. Note his bullet number 3 and the responses that follow.

If I had any doubts about this being all about the money, this cleared it right up.

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by Anonymousreply 281February 28, 2014 12:26 AM

Fascinating stuff.

by Anonymousreply 282February 28, 2014 5:32 AM

"Landmark For Cats"

"Life is empty and meaningless, and it is knowing that life is empty and meaningless which allows you to create a clearing of possibilities"

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by Anonymousreply 283February 28, 2014 7:59 AM

Jason's brother has the Bee Gees front and center "teeth" thingy going on...

by Anonymousreply 284February 28, 2014 9:07 AM

Sorry, that post didn't make sense.

I was just thinking about what somebody had said earlier in this thread about how all the horror Landmark stories we were all reading were mostly from several years ago. There wasn't much in the recent past.

We also now know that you can't take notes at Landmark (what kind of a class doesn't let you take notes?), have to sign a non-disclosure agreement and can't talk in detail about what goes on there.

They probably enforced those rules over the past ten years and people either aren't blogging about how creepy it all is because Landmark will probably come after them, and they also probably also have a team of "volunteers" that surf the net and get whatever negative thing about Landmark on there removed.

by Anonymousreply 285February 28, 2014 2:09 PM

Meant to say I was clarifying post 281.

by Anonymousreply 286February 28, 2014 2:10 PM

Because she's been mentioned on this thread.

Good for her.

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by Anonymousreply 287February 28, 2014 2:19 PM

This is all really frustrating and annoying to witness, even not knowing Cheyenne.

I also noticed he was posting photos with his family (parents,siblings, nieces and nephews) very frequently and hasn't in a while, at least since the engagement and all of this stuff came out. Hopefully that's not a sign that he's disconnected from them.

by Anonymousreply 288February 28, 2014 2:29 PM

That cat video is pretty amazing, but did you notice one of the comments in response to comments defending Landmark? If this wasn't so scary and creepy, it would be funny.

"This individual, a Landmarkian around 45, has been in the program since the age of 17. It has destabilized him to the extent that he can not hear ANY criticism of LM. He changes usernames daily. Please do not engage in any arguments with him. It is a waste of energy and your intellectial capacity. I will be deleting his comments as soon as I am able."

by Anonymousreply 289February 28, 2014 2:41 PM

How old is Jason? His brother looks a lot older than him. If his brother has been involved with Landmark for so long, it's possible Jason pretty much has grown up with it and really can't see anything else.

by Anonymousreply 290February 28, 2014 2:49 PM

The cat guy's other videos are actually really insightful.

by Anonymousreply 291February 28, 2014 3:44 PM

It's odd - I find the fact that Cheyenne is now recruiting for Landmark so repellent that I'm not really interested in hearing about him anymore. I've been fascinated by this situation up to now and at one point was rooting for him to come to his senses and drop the cult boyfriend, but that picture of him, Jason and Marc surrounding this poor friend/victim of Cheyenne's is sickening.

Cheyenne's a lost cause but I do pity the friends, family and acquaintances he will be pursuing as he works his way up the Landmark Cult ladder.

by Anonymousreply 292March 1, 2014 10:02 PM

What has Barbara Bain said about all this?

by Anonymousreply 293March 1, 2014 10:37 PM

They're both posting photos from the Oscars right now.

by Anonymousreply 294March 3, 2014 12:48 AM

If you go by his Instagram history, it seems like he only really hangs out with Jason's friends and Jason's family and Jason's coworkers. I get that he moved and these are the people he knows in LA, but I do think it's sad if he's walked away from anybody and anything from his New York and Monte era life. He doesn't post about his family anymore, and I hope that doesn't mean they're estranged since the engagement and Landmark stuff all came to surface. I do feel bad for the people who care about this man and have his best interest at heart.

by Anonymousreply 295March 3, 2014 12:58 AM

No way did he get an invite to the Oscars. I'm sure he's headed to an Oscar Party.

by Anonymousreply 296March 3, 2014 1:25 AM

Interesting that he hasn't posted anything about his family since this has all been public, but I hope it's not because they've detached. I don't think Monte's the only one who's been hurt and left bewildered in all of this.

Cheyenne aside, after reading so many of the links posted on here of Landmark stories, the whole idea is just upsetting and scary to me. I never would have thought this was all fairly common.

by Anonymousreply 297March 3, 2014 2:11 PM

They weren't at the actual Oscars, just Elton's party.

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by Anonymousreply 298March 3, 2014 2:18 PM

I don't think Monte ever once was on the red carpet holding Cheyenne's hand.

by Anonymousreply 299March 3, 2014 2:42 PM

The comments on their Instagram photos are completely ludicrous.

"Omg the first legit gay power couple of our time"

Really? What is wrong with people?

by Anonymousreply 300March 3, 2014 3:25 PM

Landau is pretty ugly. Maybe it's the evil seeping out of him.

What happened to Jackson? He was so handsome...he looks so blah now.

"Power couple"? Wow.

by Anonymousreply 301March 3, 2014 4:26 PM

Is he very short or is Jackson just very tall?

by Anonymousreply 302March 3, 2014 4:34 PM

Both. Jackson is about 6'2" - no idea how tall Landau is.

[omg the first legit gay power couple of our time]

I'm not sure what is funnier about this - using the word "legit" or the phrase "of our time."

by Anonymousreply 303March 3, 2014 5:47 PM

Some more crazy stuff:

"Because if I had been a weaker person, and left in a state of hysterical humiliation – there is no telling how long I would have hurt from this, or whether or not I would have physically hurt myself. This is the type of thing that people kill themselves over. These people don’t have psychology degrees – and anyone who thinks that they are going to get fixed, or have a serious transformation in 3 days and an evening…UM sorry, that’s not realistic. In fact it is dangerous! And who is this woman? Someone who came to Landmark who was messed up in her own life – who is she to judge anyone? Landmark Forum – where ANYTHING is possible, except for me!! And I wouldn’t have it any other way."

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by Anonymousreply 304March 3, 2014 8:30 PM

The adoration from the public is pretty excessive, and I think that probably happens with most celebrities, even quite minor ones. (Perhaps even more so with theater stars because they seem so much more accessible and "easy to meet".) In this case, I think the adoring comments are just making the situation worse. A social media detox might do both of these guys some good.

by Anonymousreply 305March 3, 2014 9:55 PM

Not sure you could qualify their Twitter and Instragram follows as "the public."

I'm going to predict Cheyenne will put up a picture of his family within the next few days since there's so much talk of their potential estrangement from him due to Landmark.

by Anonymousreply 306March 3, 2014 10:19 PM

I started reading this thread on Reddit about Landmark. Over 500 responses and a lot of them terrifying.

One poster even said that any marriage she knows that went near Landmark in any way ended in divorce.

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by Anonymousreply 307March 6, 2014 5:42 PM

After what came to light yesterday, one would expect a flurry of comment here.

by Anonymousreply 308March 6, 2014 6:19 PM

My husband and a lot of our friends did Landmark back in the 80s, but none of them are involved now. I think it does encourage people to be expert rationalizers and sometimes assholes, but it's pretty low on the cult scale.

by Anonymousreply 309March 6, 2014 6:26 PM

What came to light yesterday? Or is that sarcasm?

by Anonymousreply 310March 6, 2014 6:38 PM

"After what came to light yesterday, one would expect a flurry of comment here."

Did a sequel to Cheyenne's j/o video leak?

by Anonymousreply 311March 6, 2014 8:45 PM

Yeah, spill...what "came to light"?

by Anonymousreply 312March 7, 2014 12:49 AM

Yeah, what happened?

The comments on that Reddit link are really pretty scary. After reading all of that and knowing how involved Mark Landau is in it makes him a scary and shady character in all of this. I can't imagine trusting ANYBODY that would work as a senior staffer with Landmark for years.

I hope Cheyenne hasn't cut off his family. I think this is a sad situation and I feel sorry for them. They must be worried sick.

by Anonymousreply 313March 7, 2014 2:09 PM

Marc Landau is gross. Both he and his brother Jason are bilking people out of their hard earned money. I also have zero sympathy for Jackson. The sooner his career implodes the better it will be for all us. The media should stop giving him attention and maybe he will just fade away. He's an embarrassment to the Gay community.

This is an extremely dumb guy who only ever got attention for his looks. He’s a terrible actor and without those looks would be unemployable. He's a decent singer but even that is getting old and tiresome. How lazy can this guy get? His new show is a mixture of I’m Blue Skies and Madmen. He doesn’t even try to do anything original. He just smashes together to disparate things that aren’t remotely related.

Let Landmark have him. He seems to be a perfect dupe for this nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 314March 7, 2014 2:54 PM

From what I gather from all of the links and horror stories posted,it seems like everybody that gets very into Landmark end up becoming estranged from their loved ones.

by Anonymousreply 315March 7, 2014 3:17 PM

But what the hell came to light the other day? Nobody is answering that question.

by Anonymousreply 316March 7, 2014 3:17 PM

Regardless of not having sympathy for Cheyenne Jackson, you have to at least feel bad for his family and Monte.

by Anonymousreply 317March 7, 2014 3:44 PM

A long-time friend tried to drag me to a Landmark meeting. I was all:

"Hmmmm ... I'm kinda busy, but maaaaaybe. Call me the day of your meeting, and I'll let you know if I'm free."

She said "Yeah, don't worry about it. If you can come, that's great, but it's not a big pressure thing. Cool! I'll call that morning, so you can tell me if you're up for it."

Abut a week later, that morning comes along, and she calls and I said I had a couple of things to attend to, so I couldn't come.

She went apeshit. All angry and yelling that I had "promised" to come. She was panicked and kept saying:

"I have to bring two people! Oh God! Oh God! I'm not gonna have two people! Why didn't you say you weren't coming? They expect you to be there. I told them. Oh God!"

She pitched back and forth wildly between panic, anger, and almost tearful pleading. She was completely off the rails and didn't call back again for a couple of months. I was thinking: "Wow ... wish I would've gone there, so I could become a 'got it all together' person like she had become."

I have now decided: I will attend such a meeting for a convenience fee (paid to me for attending) of $200 per hour, money up front. But only if I can leave whenever I want without a word being said to me, and if I leave, I get a "your meeting sucked so bad I left" bonus of $500. Under those conditions, I will surely attend.

by Anonymousreply 318March 7, 2014 3:50 PM

Did you guys catch this one:

"I knew this guy who was completely normal and one of the nicest most gentle people I've ever met. Everyone loved him, he had lots of friends, was well-adjusted and had a good sense of humor. He didn't participate in any illegal or illicit recreational activities. He had a stable job, was taking care of his bills and life, had a great girl-friend, etc... Then Landmark came into his life. This became the only thing he ever talked about. Every conversation was about trying to get people to come to a forum with him. He started going to weekend-long events with these landmark people and everyone who knew him started getting creeped out by his changing vernacular, his pressure to get you to go to these meetings, and he started seeming like an entirely different person (in a bad way). The week after attending the Landmark Advanced Course, one morning he woke up, walked down a crowded street with a loaded handgun and shot and killed a postal worker in broad daylight for absolutely no reason At his trial, he was ruled not-guilty by reason of insanity. An attempt was made to hold Landmark Education civilly responsible for his psychotic break, but on the testimony of an expert from Harvard, his intensive self-awareness courses were ruled out as being the cause of his psychotic break. I'm not blaming Landmark for what happened. He obviously had something going on in his brain chemistry that caused such a tragedy to happen. However, I do believe the program exacerbated whatever it was that he already had going on with him. I can also confirm the changes in his personality that only began after he started becoming involved in Landmark. I think Landmark is a cult that in a best-case scenario leads to cult-like changes in people which cause them to isolate themselves from their friends and family and others who wish them well. And in a worst-case scenario, for people who may have some form of latent psychosis, it can make their disease grow stronger and ruin/end lives."

by Anonymousreply 319March 7, 2014 4:13 PM

All those personal accounts about Landmark are absolutely disgusting, but I'm glad that one poster had a sense of humor about it and was able to avoid it.

by Anonymousreply 320March 7, 2014 5:03 PM

Regarding the situation in 319, are you "not allowed" to come back UNLESS you bring new recruits? Like,they physically won't let you in? Yeah, that sounds like a wonderful and supportive group.

by Anonymousreply 321March 7, 2014 7:03 PM

I know for a fact that Cheyenne has been giving money to Jason. I have seen it first hand. BTW Cheyenne can't afford to be giving money away these days. Things are getting tight cash flow wise for him.

by Anonymousreply 322March 7, 2014 11:39 PM

Giving him money as in supporting him financially, spotting his dinner in a restaurant or giving him money for Landmark?

by Anonymousreply 323March 8, 2014 1:19 PM

The photos of Jason sleeping in bed are overkill. Really now.

by Anonymousreply 324March 8, 2014 1:22 PM

While I get people not feeling sorry for Cheyenne and saying he's brought this all upon him, I feel like many friends/relatives who were close to him when he was married to Monte, which was basically his entire adult life, are probably feeling upset, worried and pretty bewildered right now. I don't think I'd be able to look Jason or Cheyenne in the eye after all of this. Yes, he's probably walked away from a lot of old friendships, but a lot of old friends have probably not even wanted to stay friends with him because they feel hurt by him as well.

I think a lot of people have probably been hurt in this drama besides Monte, and, in that case, this is a sad story.

by Anonymousreply 325March 8, 2014 1:35 PM

323, are you friends with them?

by Anonymousreply 326March 8, 2014 1:54 PM

What was the story that broke the other day?

by Anonymousreply 327March 8, 2014 3:22 PM

Cheyenne looks like Aaron Rodgers's long lost cousin in this pic:

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by Anonymousreply 328March 8, 2014 4:12 PM

He does look like him.

And all that Landmark stuff is horrifying.

by Anonymousreply 329March 8, 2014 5:07 PM

He looks the way Aaron Rogers will look in twenty years.

I've never seen anyone age so badly so quickly. It's shocking.

by Anonymousreply 330March 9, 2014 2:07 AM

R331 you're way overreacting. It doesn't seem like he's aging badly to me at all. There are some bad pictures and some good ones.

by Anonymousreply 331March 9, 2014 2:31 AM

I don't think he looks bad, and if all this stuff about Landmark is true, his looks are the least of his problem.

One of those links said that marriages never last if one spouse gets into Landmark and the other doesn't.

I wonder if Cheyenne and Jason were "just AA friends" for a while, then Jason brought Cheyenne to Landmark, Cheyenne tried to get Monte to go, he refused, his new Landmark friends convinced Cheyenne that Monte was a horrible and unsupportive husband (even though Cheyenne always led the public to believe the exact opposite in interviews and social media) and that's when Jason swept in?

I think this is sad and really disturbing and I hope his family is clued in and hasn't been cut off yet.

by Anonymousreply 332March 9, 2014 12:27 PM

The deification of Monte is hilarious! I doubt Cheyenne's current relationship will last much longer, but I don't buy the notion that Monte was a pwoor wittle victim :(

He's a scientist, and I know from firsthand experience that empathy and intimacy are NOT among their strengths. Their intellect and charm can often be invigorating; however, the condescension and emotional abuse can get to be too much to take. Fact: It's highly doubtful that a man would've turned to drugs, alcohol, or a cult if he was getting the love and support he needed at home. Fuck whatever Cheyenne said in the press or Twitter about his ex- husband...are those really places people turn to present their worst selves?

by Anonymousreply 333March 9, 2014 1:25 PM

No one is perfect, including Monte. He did stand by Cheyenne for years and kept his head screwed on straight (even allowing Cheyenne to sleep around because he accepted he wasn't prepared for monogamy).

by Anonymousreply 334March 9, 2014 1:39 PM

Dance Dance Dance:

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by Anonymousreply 335March 9, 2014 3:47 PM

R332 You're legally blind. He looks horrible in that picture, and in many of his recent pictures. The very definition of "put back wet".

by Anonymousreply 336March 9, 2014 4:32 PM

R334 Oh yes, you sound as if you've known lots and lots of scientists. Were you being experimented on, at the time? Your statements are laughable, btw.

No one here has ever said that Monte's a saint. But we know what we know, and it's clear who the culprit was in this situation.

by Anonymousreply 337March 9, 2014 4:35 PM

I'm surprised this thread is still here, considering other negative threads about Cheyenne have disappeared.

Is it possible his "people" (whoever they might be) actually WANT this all public in hopes that it could be the thing that would make him get out of this cult?

by Anonymousreply 338March 9, 2014 4:47 PM

Wait, we are really now blaming Monte for Cheyenne's drug use and cult joining?

Plenty of people with supportive partners end up alcoholics and drug addicts. I can name at least ten I know personally.

by Anonymousreply 339March 9, 2014 4:50 PM

I remember when Cheyenne was first making the interview rounds when he was in All Shook Up. (10-ish years ago) He always seemed very sweet and I always heard from people who had met him how nice he was. It's hard to believe this is the same guy. It's sad.

He always talks about his mom and how she's his biggest fan. She must be heartbroken about all of this.

by Anonymousreply 340March 9, 2014 4:56 PM

We keep talking about his sycophantic fans on Instagram that think he can do no wrong, but if you go on his official website, there's a message board.

For several years, the same group of people were posting a lot and hanging on his every word and acting like he was the second coming.

They posted about his divorce and AA announcement, chiming in and wishing him well and saying he was brave for coming forward.

And then somebody posted about Jason, and that entire board has been completely silent since October.

I don't know who the thousands of Instagram fans are (maybe people who discovered him on 30 Rock), but I think his "core" fans from New York probably feel disappointed by his behavior and can't be bothered by him anymore.

by Anonymousreply 341March 9, 2014 5:01 PM

This article is four years old, but the title is (sadly) funny.

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by Anonymousreply 342March 9, 2014 5:14 PM

Yeah, it's a little suspect that he was posting photos of his family (siblings/parents/niece and nephews) for a while and completely stopped just as the engagement news broke. It does seem like Jason's friends and family are the only people he hangs out with now.

I hope I'm wrong and that he's still talking to his family.

by Anonymousreply 343March 9, 2014 5:45 PM

A friend of a friend who knows Jason sent me this. I guess Cheyenne Got Jason a new tattoo fro an engagement gift. What do we think?

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by Anonymousreply 344March 9, 2014 7:28 PM

I can't pull it up, but do you mean something personal from Cheyenne to/for Jason is being carelessly emailed around by "friends" of Jason?

Well, color me shocked.

by Anonymousreply 345March 9, 2014 10:55 PM

"A friend of a friend who knows Jason sent me this. I guess Cheyenne Got Jason a new tattoo fro an engagement gift. What do we think?"

Just imagine where that tongue has been.

by Anonymousreply 346March 9, 2014 11:01 PM

Landau just seems like a major douchebag.

I feel sorry for Jackson, to some extent, because, right before all this happened, he seemed to possibly be going somewhere. The "Don't Wanna Know" video was cute, the song was catchy. Although it takes on a very different meaning now.

He was on "Thirty Rock", though I must say that on a show full of memorable performances and great characters, he was quite a dud. Nice eye candy, but he could not rise up to the level of the others on the show. He was pretty boring.

Now what? He's chained himself to a creepy cult and an even creepier guy, and I can't see him going anywhere. He's not even really eye candy anymore, because he always looks really haggard. He's aged ten years in a matter of months. Not to mention the douchey tattoos.

As for Monte, no one's deified him. We are, however, acknowledging what Jackson said himself. Jackson always talked about Monte in glowing terms, saying he was his best friend, and the rock that provided stability in his life. Which was clearly true. Monte's the one taking care of their dog, he's the one who was dumped. So there's no reason not to feel sympathetic towards him, particularly since Jackson consistently talked about what a great guy he is.

by Anonymousreply 347March 9, 2014 11:02 PM

And Monte has maintained his dignity throughout all of this when he probably could have been blabbing to any gossip rag that would have listened. The same cannot be said for Cheyenne and Jason.

by Anonymousreply 348March 9, 2014 11:10 PM

Well, the famously private Monte did attend something as Alan Cumming's "date". I can't help but think that was a message to Shy Anne.

by Anonymousreply 349March 9, 2014 11:19 PM

It was probably natural if Monte befriended members of the theater community and has stayed friendly with them. Perhaps he and Alan particularly clicked.

by Anonymousreply 350March 9, 2014 11:25 PM

I actually keep hoping Cheyenne WILL post a picture with/of his family to show they're still talking. I would find it really sad if they're estranged.

by Anonymousreply 351March 9, 2014 11:26 PM

[quote] It was probably natural if Monte befriended members of the theater community and has stayed friendly with them. Perhaps he and Alan particularly clicked.

I'm not questioning is friendship with Cumming rather than he suddenly wasn't camera-shy. I can understand why he'd want to send CJ a message that he's doing just fine without him.

by Anonymousreply 352March 9, 2014 11:35 PM

Did Monte personally post those photos with Alan, or did Alan, or were they on a Broadway site or Getty Images or something?

by Anonymousreply 353March 10, 2014 2:11 AM

R337 and you're really overly invested in this. I don't think he looks bad, and I don't notice a difference between him now and a few years ago. People have different opinions, deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 354March 10, 2014 2:23 AM

He posted a picture of him with his family.

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by Anonymousreply 355March 10, 2014 2:23 AM

Red carpet photos, which Monte made a point of avoiding while he was with Sonny Big Boots.

by Anonymousreply 356March 10, 2014 2:24 AM

R346 that's really sad :/

Definitely seems like Jason is leaking stuff on purpose.

by Anonymousreply 357March 10, 2014 2:25 AM

Mrs Jackson really is a stunner.

by Anonymousreply 358March 10, 2014 2:29 AM

Yeah, she's gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 359March 10, 2014 2:35 AM

I'm sure they love their son a great deal and want to do whatever they can to be there for him without isolating him. I don't think many parents would be happy with their kid marrying somebody they barely know months after getting out of a 13 year marriage. That alone is upsetting. Add in drug and alcohol addiction, cults, Hollywood, etc. etc. etc.

by Anonymousreply 360March 10, 2014 2:39 AM

Guess they bought a house together?

I always liked Cheyenne. I wish him well. But this is all just too weird and sad.

by Anonymousreply 361March 10, 2014 2:56 AM

I think that people might be rose-tinting Monte and the relationship. It may have been dead for some time. That's not to say that Cheyenne perhaps should have waited a while before getting into something serious, but nevertheless, it may not be as "crazy" as it seems.

by Anonymousreply 362March 10, 2014 3:08 AM

I think the Landmark connection is all the crazy we need in this story...

by Anonymousreply 363March 10, 2014 3:11 AM

Cheyenne is OK. There is a lot to like about him. He is a hard worker and a quick study and is well-liked by his colleagues. He deserves a lot of credit for being publicly out.

He's a solid performer, but I don't feel his talents are really distinctive or special.

He and Sutton are the luckiest chorus kids in the world.

by Anonymousreply 364March 10, 2014 3:30 AM

When he's in his element, he's a lot of fun to watch. He was terrific in Xanadu.

I do think all this Landmark stuff sounds insane though. Is there a chance Jason only acts like he's into it to appease his brother? Or does he definitely still instruct there?

by Anonymousreply 365March 10, 2014 3:38 AM

Cheyenne was also excellent in the Encores! production of Damn Yankees.

by Anonymousreply 366March 10, 2014 5:52 AM

"As for Monte, no one's deified him. We are, however, acknowledging what Jackson said himself. Jackson always talked about Monte in glowing terms, saying he was his best friend, and the rock that provided stability in his life. Which was clearly true. Monte's the one taking care of their dog, he's the one who was dumped. So there's no reason not to feel sympathetic towards him, particularly since Jackson consistently talked about what a great guy he is."

In Cheyenne's defense for once, I doubt he stuck Monte with the dog. Monte probably wanted custody of Brillo and I'm glad they're together.

by Anonymousreply 367March 10, 2014 2:04 PM

Glad he's hanging out with his parents.

by Anonymousreply 368March 10, 2014 2:34 PM

Hollywood loves actors in cults since they're easily manipulated. He'll no doubt do just fine.

by Anonymousreply 369March 10, 2014 2:45 PM

Did we already watch the trailer from Jason's movie? I didn't realize he was still pursuing acting as of 2 years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 370March 10, 2014 2:54 PM

R363, please stop. No one is rose tinting anything. Just stop.

by Anonymousreply 371March 10, 2014 2:59 PM

I can't help but think that Cheyenne Jackson's proclamations of how much he loves his new fiancee don't mean too much considering how he was talking about Monte just over a year ago. I really think he needs to stop oversharing. He is just walking into criticism and scrutiny.

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by Anonymousreply 372March 10, 2014 3:10 PM

I reposted R345 link to PB. See if it works here. And when did tattoos become the gift for all occasion? Cheyenne gets them or gives them for Christmas, Birthday gifts, and now engagement presents. Is this a new thing? It’s just so classy, NOT!

Sorry, I usually don’t judge, but both of these guys are creeps. I also don’t think anyone is claiming Monty is a Saint but he seems to be coping well with a terrible situation. I can’t imagine how I would deal with my ex behaving the way Cheyenne is. It’s all too bizarre for words.

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by Anonymousreply 373March 10, 2014 3:37 PM

Where did Monte and Brillo's friend from the dogpark go? I'm sure Monte's doing fine, but it would be nice to get an update.

by Anonymousreply 374March 10, 2014 4:21 PM

[quote]Somebody said they'd like to tweet this thread to Cheyenne, but I'd actually prefer to send it to his family.

Wow. Dumbest thing ever written on DL.

And people are talking about the thread being deleted as if Landmark is like $cientology. It's only similar in the sense of any cult -- that is, ignore the philosophy, it's all about the money.

Landmark (started because the creator of EST realized that many people don't want to shell out money in order to be screamed at, insulted, and ridiculed... so The Forum is the "kinder, gentler" version of EST) isn't dangerous per se. It doesn't isolate people from their family and friends, it doesn't silence detractors, and it doesn't compel people to join. Its techniques are more subtle and friendly. Once you're in, you are definitely encouraged to bring in friends, but you don't get any money for doing so.

I had a close, close friend at work who was deep into The Forum for about 5 years of our time at the company. She stagnated while all of us were promoted above/around her, because she made scheduling calls for Forum seminars all day, every day and finished her work at night (acceptable, but not gonna get you promoted). She invited me ONE time. I then hung out with her on a constant basis (she was one of my best friends for at least 3 of those years) and she never, ever asked again. She did the same with everyone at work (asked once and then never again), even though she was, as I said, a scheduler for their seminars.

The worst thing I can say about it is that she gave them a shitload of her money. Back in ?1994, she and I both got $5K bonuses after taxes. I bought my first IBM laptop. She went to a weekend seminar, her 100th or so by that time.

However... she was utterly gay-friendly (I'm bi and she was curious as hell) and described the seminars as sort of these organized love-ins. She left out the part about how they get you to sign up for a NON-free seminar first-thing, but she talked about how everyone sits around and says positive things about total strangers, and basically she really believed that it made her feel good.

Honestly, I think what she replaced The Forum with-- born-again KKKristianity, complete with anti-gay and anti-choice positions, and the belief that the man is the head of the family (ha)-- is far more dangerous a cult any day.

My point: Cheyenne Jackson has tons of money. He could be spending it in worse ways, like on drugs or hookers. He's into a cult that is obnoxious and shallow but NOT evil. He doesn't need to be kidnapped or rescued the way $cienos do. It's simply not like that. It's a cult that goes out of its way not to hate anyone or anything.

It's just lame and stupid, and it was created by a (convicted) criminal con artist. That's all.

by Anonymousreply 375March 10, 2014 6:39 PM

Elaborate Scenario Thread is a cult?!

by Anonymousreply 376March 10, 2014 7:54 PM

R376, Wow. Worse apologist post EVER. Cults are inherently evil, dear. To suggest otherwise is just rubbish, and on a par with those loons who say that Scientology isn't so bad because Travolta defends gay people.

You're an idiot, seriously.

by Anonymousreply 377March 10, 2014 7:55 PM

[quote]Cheyenne Jackson has tons of money.

Theater work from years ago, low-budget indie movies paying scale, and rare tv gigs do not leave one with "tons of money".

by Anonymousreply 378March 12, 2014 2:01 AM

Well, and whatever he has will soon be gone. Unlike Neil Patrick Harris (still can't get over that he's one of these freaks), Cheyenne isn't going anywhere. He couldn't even hold his own on a sitcom. It's sad, but this is probably the end of any hope he had of breaking through.

by Anonymousreply 379March 12, 2014 3:55 AM

Ive always thought Jackson's biggest issue and why he never hit (aside from being dumb) is he doesn't believe he's enough or his talent is enough. The guy has zero self confidence which is evident if you meet him. Strangely,the last few years it seemed like he was going to break through, and there was the "illusion" he had his shit together. Now Cheyenne runs around creating press for himself that has nothing to do with work including constant tweeting and instagraming selfies and other such nonsense.

The 1st husband gave him so cred that he wasnt a complete superficial douche. The 2nd husband(who could be Cheyenne's younger brother) seems as superficial and narcissitic as the come.

by Anonymousreply 380March 12, 2014 9:53 AM

"The 2nd husband(who could be Cheyenne's younger brother) seems as superficial and narcissistic as the come."

I actually don't usually like judging people too harshly, but considering he was posting this photo and others like it the same month Cheyenne announced his split says it all. And Cheyenne and Monte were marching at Pride together so shortly before, so it's not like they were actually separated for a year and the public didn't know.

I feel as though if Jason REALLY cared about his "beautiful man" he would have realized it was a good idea to keep a low profile for a while because, minor celebrity as he may be, he's in the public eye and people will talk.

But, nope. It was just way too important for Jason to post duck faced selfies so he could boast to the world that he was now Cheyenne Jackson's man.

It's only natural a sex tape sent to him of Cheyenne would go public, isn't it?

This is actually quite sad. Wake up, Cheyenne. I wondered if this all actually wasn't nearly as bad as it seemed before, but I don't know if that's even possible.

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by Anonymousreply 381March 12, 2014 2:12 PM

So, back to Landmark for a moment: once they bleed a member's bank account dry, do they just abandon that member? I don't know that I've seen any info on members who ran out of money.

Unlike others, I could see Cheyenne doing the kind of low profile TV/film stuff he's been doing recently for the next few years - assuming he shows up to work on time, sober, etc.

What will really be interesting is how he performs and is received when he returns to New York for The Most Happy Fella in April.

by Anonymousreply 382March 12, 2014 3:26 PM

He's also doing two concerts at Birdland while he's here.

by Anonymousreply 383March 12, 2014 3:30 PM

"What will really be interesting is how he performs and is received when he returns to New York for The Most Happy Fella in April."

I've wondered the same. Did anybody see him perform last year when he did Birdland?

by Anonymousreply 384March 12, 2014 3:39 PM

I think the concerts are different - they attract the Cheyenne faithful (and he does have his following). The Most Happy Fella will be his first foray back into the theater since "The Performers" debacle and his first musical in several years.

He was Broadway's "It" Boy for a long time - it will be interesting to see if he still holds that appeal for audiences there.

by Anonymousreply 385March 12, 2014 3:58 PM

I think his New York fan base might feel disappointed in him. He was the sweet, nice guy who was so friendly to his fans and was always with his handsome and quiet Scientist partner and their Rottweiler. As somebody else posted here, his forum on his website used to have the same devoted fans posting all the time, but nobody's posted since the Jason photos broke.

by Anonymousreply 386March 12, 2014 4:13 PM

What's even more interesting to me is that HE hasn't updated his website since he started seeing Jason, which makes no sense. Yes, his twitter feed still shows on the front page, but that's automatic. The last news shown is for a concert he performed last July.

Not only did he blow off Monte, he seems to have blown off his fans as well (at least the faithful who actually visited his website and posted on his Board).

But still...anyone know why he would abandon his own website when he can use it to promote his projects? Self-promotion is kind of his thing and you know he's paying for that website to remain up and running.

by Anonymousreply 387March 12, 2014 4:25 PM

Is there a tiny chance he's embarrassed/ashamed? Or am I giving him too much credit?

Maybe it's easier for him to deal with LA people and the fans on Instagram who think he can do no wrong and Jason's friends/family than with the people from his past, even the fan variety.

He saw/talked to his fans from his Broadway life frequently. And they certainly must know about all of this (the cheating/sex tape/Jason/Landmark). And he knows they all know, and it's easier for him to hide and just live his "new" life.

by Anonymousreply 388March 12, 2014 4:34 PM

[quote] He's also doing two concerts at Birdland while he's here.

Yes his career is going gangbusters. He's obviously doing Birdland and Feinstein's San Fran because he's desperate from money. I went to the Birdland show last time. They kept advertising it as sold-out. It had a good attendance, mainly fangurls. But,it was certainly not sold out.

The show itself was all over the place. It was for the release of his pop album “I'm Blue Skie” But, then he would throw in his Carnegie Hall / All Shook Up songs (WTF).

The concert was disjointed and tired, and really not up to the level of his past concerts. It seemed slapped together to make a quick buck. He sang the hell out of some of the songs. But, I found the concert forced and insincere.

by Anonymousreply 389March 12, 2014 5:05 PM

That's sad to hear. I was at his Carnegie Hall concert a couple of years ago and he was fantastic, incredibly endearing, sounded wonderful, and the crowd was going crazy for him. Can't imagine that could all just go away.

This is all really disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 390March 12, 2014 5:46 PM

In response to r389 - from what I've read here on this thread, shame and embarrassment are inconsistent with Landmark teachings. The program seems to be designed to help (weak-minded) people justify any behavior that furthers their own agenda and to disregard any negative feedback they get from others.

If Cheyenne has truly become a follower of Landmark, then "embarrassment" and "shame" are no longer part of his vocabulary.

by Anonymousreply 391March 12, 2014 6:14 PM

Even weirder, I was compelled to visit his website for the first time in years and on the homepage, it links you to Cheyenne's "WhoSay" page, which is filled with photos of Monte and Brillo. I find it weirdly heartbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 392March 12, 2014 6:17 PM

Interesting interview - this is the first time I've heard him reference a drug problem (in addition to alcoholism).

I can't decide if he's just being more open ("authentic") about his addictions or if the alcoholism spin lost steam and he needed a new angle.

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by Anonymousreply 393March 14, 2014 7:53 PM

Wow. I guess you can add 'narcissistic personality disorder' to his list. All you hear in that interview is 'me, me, me!'. He's also incredibly detached from reality, and is definitely playing the victim.

by Anonymousreply 394March 14, 2014 8:33 PM

Also, no mention of Landmark. Only about how horribly his poor fiancee has suffered. Funny he can't find that same sort of empathy for the man he spent 3 years of his life with.

He's gross. I used to like him, but he's really a vain prick. And yeah, suddenly he's also a recovering drug addict? And he left those bigger venues for smaller ones for the sake of intimacy. Wow. Lots of denial.

by Anonymousreply 395March 14, 2014 8:38 PM

I meant 13 years of his life, of course.

by Anonymousreply 396March 14, 2014 8:43 PM

Encores! has given him prominent billing for Fella, right under Benanti and Hensley.

by Anonymousreply 397March 14, 2014 9:32 PM

I think Cheyenne hasn't had the career he might have because his looks and type (at first glance) aren't who he really is as a performer.

[quote] I want to be the cool actor brooding in the corner but that lasts about seven minutes

That about sums it up.

by Anonymousreply 398March 14, 2014 10:18 PM

Ever since seeing that gnarled, grisly looking penis of his, things just aren't the same.

by Anonymousreply 399March 14, 2014 10:35 PM

R400, DITTO. I honestly thought he was one of the hottest things alive. But that gross giant wart on his penis (!!!) totally shook that off forever.

by Anonymousreply 400March 15, 2014 3:14 AM

It's a circumcision scar!

by Anonymousreply 401March 15, 2014 3:37 AM

The big, round, brown thing on the shaft of his penis is a wart, hon.

by Anonymousreply 402March 15, 2014 5:13 PM

Just read the new interview R394 posted. Wow this guy is just gross! Agree he's out of angles , so now he's peddling the drug addict thing?

Most of the interview is rehash and his same tired stories. Well you all said he was crazy, but "The pain his actions caused his boyfriend?"

Dude you were married. I dont think douche even begins to describe Cheyenne now. I wish people would stop giving thus idiot their money. It's being funnled to Landmark.

by Anonymousreply 403March 16, 2014 9:09 AM

Jason's the victim in all of this now?

I know we keep saying, "We don't know Monte, for all we know he was an abusive spouse", but the way I see it, if there WAS something horrible about Monte and he was this crazy villain, we would have heard about it. The same "source" who blabbed the engagement announcement (and probably emailed around the tape) would have gotten that information out to the public as well as well.

So, I do feel really bad for Monte, and not for the guy posting beaming kissy photos for the past six months. Jason should have kept a lower profile if he didn't want people talking about him.

by Anonymousreply 404March 17, 2014 4:36 PM

I'm confused as to what the "lies" Cheyenne is talking about in that interview?

Is it the:

-drugs/alcohol -cheating -sex tape -marrying somebody involved with a suspicious cult-like organization

Sometimes the truth really, really hurts, doesn't it?

by Anonymousreply 405March 17, 2014 4:38 PM

A fan posted a link about Cheyenne's engagement on Cheyenne's Facebook page and Monte's sister or brother's wife commented on it calling out her "former brother-in-law" for how much he's hurt the family with his cheating and crazy behavior and how they didn't even know who he was anymore.

Yes, MANY people have been hurt in all this, and I definitely feel for Cheyenne's family as well, but Jason ain't one of them.

by Anonymousreply 406March 17, 2014 4:42 PM

I'm not sure that I feel too sorry for Cheyenne's family. I think they probably had something to do with his issues.

by Anonymousreply 407March 17, 2014 4:58 PM

I think Cheyenne and Jason are probably in their own little "it's you and me against the world" mentality right now. That can't last forever. It will catch up to them.

by Anonymousreply 408March 17, 2014 5:51 PM

R406 Agree also.

What lies? I think the media has been kinder to Cheyenne than they would have been to any other "celebrity" There nothing untrue that's been said about him or Jason. Unless you actually believe those crazy-ass stories Cheyenne told about getting his prison tattoos as a gift for his father's birthday . So what lies is he referring to?

Given the rumors we use to hear about Cheyenne's drugged out behavior and cheating for years in New York, the truth is probably much worse than what we know. Regarding Jason, I have zero sympathy.He's a garden variety weho queen who tried for years to be an actor and failed. She's got a little fame now , so she should just be happy and stop pretending to be a victim in all this.

by Anonymousreply 409March 17, 2014 7:12 PM

I think the one "lie" that's been printed in the media was that Cheyenne shaved his head (back when all this whole thing broke in July/August). Obviously, that wasn't true.

I have been on Team Monte for some time now and agree with all the posts on this page, but I will give Cheyenne credit for one thing: he hasn't said one negative thing about Monte or their marriage to the press. For a loose cannon like Cheyenne, that's saying something.

Now, the motivator might be fear of Monte opening up to the press rather than any kind of self-restraint, but still, I will give him credit for that, at least.

by Anonymousreply 410March 17, 2014 11:34 PM

R407 can you provide us a link to that Facebook page?

by Anonymousreply 411March 18, 2014 12:18 AM

R411, that's my guess too. He doesn't dare say anything about Monte. Although it seems fairly likely that it was Cheyenne or Jason (ugggh) who fed the lie to Perez Hilton that Monte released Cheyenne's pathetic sex tape. Which was so obviously a lie. Let's face it, Monte has the real story here, and Cheyenne knows the entertainment media will leave it alone unless he (Cheyenne) says something nasty. He may have gone bananas, but even he must realize what a foolish thing it would be to tempt Monte to say something.

by Anonymousreply 412March 18, 2014 4:19 AM

A comment on Laura Benanti's Instagram:

jasonrlandau Just dropped my man off to come see you.. I look forward to meeting you soon. @laurabenanti

Jason is trying VERY hard to make it clear who he is. It's obvious and ridiculous.

I would think that Monte probably did make many friends (or at least was friendly) in the theater community. I can't imagine it will be too easy for those folks to take this kid seriously.

by Anonymousreply 413March 18, 2014 1:55 PM

This is the post that was from Monte's relative. It's on Cheyenne's non-fan page, and while the page doesn't seem to be active, people still tag him on it and he seemed to accept any fan he didn't even know that requested friendship. (Which is how I saw it, a mutual friend sent it to me.)

I'm sure a lot of people saw this.

"Dear ex-brother-in-law, Cheyenne Jackson: you have hurt all of us with your bizarre actions and infidelity this past year. I don't even know who you are anymore."

by Anonymousreply 414March 18, 2014 1:59 PM

Where is the house that Cheyenne purchased for himself and his toothy leech?

by Anonymousreply 415March 18, 2014 2:02 PM

That post from Monte's sister is very sad. I don't know how close Cheyenne was to them, but it sounds like they probably were after 13 years. Yes, there are a lot of victims in this story and Jason isn't one of them.

Is the fact that these two guys have no guilt or shame whatsoever a Landmark sign? Seems like it.

by Anonymousreply 416March 18, 2014 2:14 PM

I actually never even thought that Jason could have told Perez it was Monte's fault about the tape. That is just a whole new low. Disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 417March 18, 2014 2:30 PM

I think it's weird how he's just able to come to do shows at City Center and Birdland and be blocks away from the home he shared with Monte and their dogs for all those years and not feel anything. It's just very strange to me. I mean, that was his HOME.

I remember seeing him post photos making out with Jason at Birdland the last time he was there and just being weirded out by it. It's like he's pretending all those years of his life never even happened.

I wonder if this behavior is Landmark related as well?

by Anonymousreply 418March 18, 2014 2:51 PM

I do give Cheyenne some credit for not flaming Monte. Maybe there's just nothing that bad to be said of the man, though. I'm glad Monte's lawyer went after Perez. That was terrible.

by Anonymousreply 419March 18, 2014 3:46 PM

I'm intrigued by the ex-sister-in-law's comment about Cheyenne's infidelity over the past year hurting the family. Everyone on DL says that Cheyenne constantly cheated during his relationship with Monte but that post makes it sound like that was a new thing.

Was the sis-in-law just in the dark or do you think the reports of Cheyenne's infidelity during the relationship are exaggerated? (or maybe a little of both)

by Anonymousreply 420March 18, 2014 10:52 PM

It's far more likely that he was cheating all through the relationship, as rumored, but was just blatant and indiscreet about it in the last year.

by Anonymousreply 421March 19, 2014 12:36 AM

I wonder if Monte will check the sister (in-law). He won't want the hosting sex parties stuff to come out.

by Anonymousreply 422March 19, 2014 12:48 AM

He wasn't very discrete anyway. When he gave his interview to the Advocate, the writer started the interview with an intro that mentioned that Jackson's manager had told him not to talk about his tricks.

by Anonymousreply 423March 19, 2014 12:49 AM

Was Monte a part of those parties, r423?

by Anonymousreply 424March 19, 2014 1:13 AM

I think the point of all those stories was that Monte wasn't around when any of Cheyenne's 'activities' were going on. The rumors always hinted that Cheyenne did a lot of playing on the side while his hubby wasn't present. Apparently a lot of that was true.

by Anonymousreply 425March 19, 2014 1:19 AM

Didn't Cheyenne host ALL SHOOK UP post-performance sex parties?

by Anonymousreply 426March 19, 2014 3:05 AM

R427 Jackson's But F*cking parties were notorious as was his drug / cocaine problem in Broadway circles. and NO the ex-husband didn't participate. Jason better home there are no cute chorus boys in Happy Fella or Cheyenne will be molesting them.

R420 what the hell are you talking about? Give Jackson credit?

It was Cheyenne or Jason who gave the bogus story to Perez Hilton of Monte releasing Cheyenne's sex tape. Everyone knows Jason or a friend of Jason's released this.

If you go back and look at the original" Cheyenne Jackson goes Cray Cray "threads, not only did Perez have to retract this claim about Monte, but he had to put up a statement from Monte's attorney's saying Perez's claim was completely false. The entire article was taken down less than a day later.

Jackson get's no credit on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 427March 19, 2014 12:46 PM

I know we're all speculating, but the more I read here, the more I wonder: why in the world did Monte stay with Cheyenne as long as he did? And not just stay with him, but MARRY him? If everything here is to be believed (and I still think there's some exaggeration), Monte married an alcoholic, drug-addicted whore. And he knew it.

I really do feel for him, but if he's as intelligent as everyone says he is, he couldn't have been too surprised that someone as f---ed up as Cheyenne is would eventually go off the deep end and he'd get his heart broken.

by Anonymousreply 428March 20, 2014 4:27 AM

I've had friends who've done this. They get involved with someone who has a serious issue, and they get stuck. How do you leave someone who's seemingly in trouble, really messed up, and who needs you? I mean, Cheyenne comes from this fundie family, and he's clearly damaged. Yet, as Monte said, he seemed like he needed protection. That's the hook. That's how you end up being co-dependent with someone like Cheyenne. Monte's the stable one, and he's the one who 'protected' Cheyenne. If Cheyenne acts out, it's easy to excuse that as being part of his 'damage', and makes it seem like he needs even more protection. I have a friend who's partner is bipolar and plays around with his meds. The partner can be sweet and adorable, but then he gets sick because he won't take care of himself, and my friend invariably has to bail him out. They've been together 12 years. My friend's buddies keep telling him to get out, but he's afraid that if he leaves, his partner will end up dead or homeless, and he loves him and doesn't want to see that happen. Meanwhile, his partner has cheated on him dozens of times, virtually wiped out their savings, taken off to places unknown, and all of this only confirms my friend's fears. My friend has had to rescue him time and time again, and the truth is that without my friend being there to help him he might well end up dead or worse. See how that works?

by Anonymousreply 429March 20, 2014 5:00 AM

Thanks r430- the co-dependent thing has always been a mystery to me. I guess I'm lucky that I haven't had that experience.

That said, it sounds like this break-up could be the best that could have happened for Monte - IF he takes steps to deal with his co-dependent behavior. Otherwise, he'll probably end up with another Cheyenne. I hope he deals with it - he seems like a good guy. I'd certainly go out with him.

I love DL - where else can you play armchair psychiatrist to someone you've never met?

by Anonymousreply 430March 20, 2014 6:03 AM

Agreed and agreed. :)

by Anonymousreply 431March 20, 2014 6:06 AM

I'm sure Monte's sister doesn't read gossip sites, so she probably didn't know about all the cheating unless it was something Monte talked about when he'd see them for Thanksgiving.

What gets me is how quickly they went public and how fast they got engaged. Cheyenne and Monte were appearing as a happy couple at Pride and Cheyenne was tweeting his adoration for Monte just weeks before we heard they broke up. They were either miserable all the while and it was all a facade, or Monte was pretty much blindsided by the news of Jason. (I'm more inclined to believe the latter.)

So, the fact that Cheyenne was ridiculous with Jason on social media so soon was just incredibly careless and cruel (even if he didn't mean to be) to Monte and Monte's loved ones.

After our crash course in the Landmark Forum that we got here, I think this is a Landmark trait, just going through life doing what you want without thinking about how it might hurt other people.

I think that post from the sister shows Monte has a protective and supportive family, and I am happy about that.

by Anonymousreply 432March 20, 2014 10:57 AM

I was willing to give Jason the benefit of the doubt originally that he was just immature and clueless, but, even Landmark stuff aside, his latest Instagram activity is terribly annoying.

Posting "MISS YOU!" on Cheyenne's photos (because they've been apart for, what, two days?), posting a photo of his dog on his half empty bed because the "other half" is in the city, commenting to Laura Benanti that he can't wait to meet her.

It's just annoying. He's trying extremely hard to mark his territory and make sure everyone knows who he is.

People in mature and confident relationships don't need to act like that.

by Anonymousreply 433March 20, 2014 11:00 AM

This is the part I really find confusing/funny from the latest interview:

"Having to explain to my mom a mustache I grew was just for a movie and not a lifestyle change was fun. Reading blogs is like giving yourself a paper cut and pouring lemon juice on it then being surprised it hurts."

HUH?

So that's what he thinks we were all gossiping about? His MUSTACHE? All this time, I thought we were gossiping about the cheating, drugs, sext tapes and cults. Silly me!

by Anonymousreply 434March 20, 2014 2:15 PM

Agreed that Jason comes off really annoying (and 12-years-old) on Instagram. Granted, LOTS of people are annoying on Instagram, but, still.

He's been flaunting and bragging about Cheyenne since ten minutes after Cheyenne announced his divorce. He couldn't wait to brag about it to anybody who would listen. So, OF COURSE, a sex tape of Cheyenne sent to Jason would end up getting emailed around. Do you think Jason would be able to resist showing that one off?

It's ridiculous. I wonder if anybody who knew Monte are even able to look this kid in the eye. I'd imagine Cheyenne has lost many friends and probably doesn't even care.

by Anonymousreply 435March 20, 2014 2:23 PM

His mom is a beautiful lady, but does anyone else think she looks very uncomfortable in any photo with Cheyenne and/or Jason? There's no way she's cool with any of this.

by Anonymousreply 436March 20, 2014 2:28 PM

[quote]So, OF COURSE, a sex tape of Cheyenne sent to Jason would end up getting emailed around. Do you think Jason would be able to resist showing that one off?

The fact, that you can only see exactly half of his face - and that this lead to forums like this speculating if it is really him - makes me think he shot it with the intention of releasing the video.

I've never filmed myself masturbating and sent it to my gf but if I did something like that I wouldn't care how much of my face could be seen.

But maybe that's just my lezza me.

by Anonymousreply 437March 20, 2014 2:36 PM

Well, then, if you don't want your mother to be upset when your sex tape is released, don't release your own sex tape. It's not too tricky there, Cheyenne.

by Anonymousreply 438March 20, 2014 2:53 PM

I'm curious to hear how Jason behaves at Cheyenne's performances. Probably like he owns the place.

by Anonymousreply 439March 20, 2014 2:58 PM

That interview mentions that he's doing a pantless tribute to Elaine Stritch. Is that just a joke? Or does he actually do a number or two with those big, beefy thighs out.

by Anonymousreply 440March 20, 2014 3:12 PM

Is anyone here going to Birdland next week?

by Anonymousreply 441March 20, 2014 3:22 PM

I think one of the most surprising things about that interview is how he casually outs his own grandmother as an alcoholic. Yes, she has passed away, but I'm not sure they've even invented a word to describe someone so sleazy they would trash their own grandmother to the world in an attempt to gain sympathy and attention.

by Anonymousreply 442March 20, 2014 3:53 PM

I don't think that's trashing his grandmother. He didn't slam her for it, and his belief seems to be that it's a disease, so why should he or his family be loath to speak of it?

by Anonymousreply 443March 20, 2014 4:02 PM

Yeah, I don't really fault him for that one, actually.

by Anonymousreply 444March 20, 2014 4:30 PM

Sorry - I don't agree. Grandma didn't give him permission to speak about it and unless she said, "Hey, please share with the world this disease that I struggled with for years," then it wasn't his story to tell. Whether he treated like a disease or not, it was disrespectful and an incredible invasion of her privacy - even after she's dead.

If he discusses it with the family, that's one thing, but sharing it with the press is another.

by Anonymousreply 445March 20, 2014 4:55 PM

Well, if we are agreed that alcoholism has a large genetic component to it, and if one is suffering from this addiction, then I think one does have the right to mention the ancestor (s) from whom one might have inherited this genetic predisposition/disease.

Hell, I always talk about my late father when I discuss my bipolar disorder. I don't think of that as 'outing' my poor deceased father who of course had the same illness too...

by Anonymousreply 446March 20, 2014 5:04 PM

The mustache remark confuses me too. What on Earth is that about? Having to 'explain' to his mom that his mustache was not a 'lifestyle choice'?? Huh?? What does that even mean? And wouldn't she have been able to see the cheesy mustache with her own eyes? And really, this is the only thing that he's worried about, in terms of online gossip...the mustache? It's a really peculiar remark.

As for the thing about his grandmother, I don't think it was appropriate. Why do that in an interview? He could have just said that there is alcoholism in his family history and left it at that, without pointing to a specific person. But then, boundaries are not his strong suit, clearly.

by Anonymousreply 447March 20, 2014 5:05 PM

If he and his family had to live with her alcoholism, it's his story as well. Who is being hurt by the revelation? People who want to pretend it wasn't a problem? He didn't go into any gory details.

by Anonymousreply 448March 20, 2014 5:30 PM

I think if it was okay with the rest of his family that he spoke about it (especially with whichever one of his parents was the child of this grandma), then it's not disrespectful.

by Anonymousreply 449March 20, 2014 6:27 PM

It's not about respect. It's about boundaries. He's using all of this personal stuff to try to win over people's sympathies, and that's inappropriate.

As for his family approving, they're a bunch of fundies. What do they care, they probably think grandma is burning in hell.

by Anonymousreply 450March 20, 2014 6:49 PM

[quote]If he and his family had to live with her alcoholism, it's his story as well. Who is being hurt by the revelation? People who want to pretend it wasn't a problem? He didn't go into any gory details.

I think this could hurt other family members and not because they're in denial, but because it's family business, not public information.

Cheyenne can air his own dirty laundry all he wants, but that doesn't mean he has the right to do it on behalf of his family.

by Anonymousreply 451March 20, 2014 10:19 PM

Well, and he's not airing his dirty laundry, is he? Not really. He's using it all of a representation of his victimhood. Notice, however, that we're not getting the skinny on what he did to Monte, or any details about his years drinking and drugging. It's just there superficially, to create sympathy for him. Or so he thinks.

by Anonymousreply 452March 21, 2014 12:45 AM

Was just reading the Johnny Weir thread and can't help wondering if this is what Cheyenne and Jason's break up is going to look like.

by Anonymousreply 453March 21, 2014 4:06 AM

Jason is publicly tweeting Laura Benanti, who he doesn't know ? It further enforces my belief that that Mr. Landau is a fame whore.

I believe Jason and Cheyenne are a good match. They both are shallow, self-absorbed, fame obsessed, and stupid. And Landmark / EST which allows you to be even more self-absorbed is perfect fit for them.

by Anonymousreply 454March 21, 2014 12:35 PM

Yeah, Jason commented to Laura:

"jasonrlandau Just dropped my man off to come see you.. I look forward to meeting you soon. @laurabenanti"

So unnecessary. He just wants to make sure Laura Benanti and her thousands of followers all know who he is.

If he loved Cheyenne as much as he wants everybody to believe, he'd be okay just fading into the background and quietly supporting him. Kinda like it seemed his former partner did for all those years.

by Anonymousreply 455March 21, 2014 2:14 PM

But Jason's the victim in all of this!

by Anonymousreply 456March 21, 2014 2:21 PM

I think Jason is likely to become extremely jealous and clingy soon.

by Anonymousreply 457March 21, 2014 2:28 PM

Well, definitely. The majority of relationships that begin as affairs end up with major trust and jealousy issues.

by Anonymousreply 458March 21, 2014 2:37 PM

[quote]I think Jason is likely to become extremely jealous and clingy soon.

Ya think? Clingy doesn’t begin to describe this guy. Obsessed is a better definition. And why the hell is Jason Landau publically tweeting Laura Benanti? Why not just send her an email if he really feels that way? Someone need to tell Jason Landau , “you’re not famous”

It's annoying enough when celebrities public tweet other celebrities. We now have to be subjected to their social climbing significant others doing this?

Jackson and Landau are both so creepy and gross.

by Anonymousreply 459March 21, 2014 3:29 PM

Please tell e your kidding R457

by Anonymousreply 460March 21, 2014 4:46 PM

He's trying VERY hard to make it clear he ain't no famewhore!

"jasonrlandau 3 weeks ago Great night at Elton Johns Oscar Party... But being home with Billie Jean n my man is just better.... It just is. @mrcheyennejackson"

by Anonymousreply 461March 21, 2014 5:46 PM

R461- yes, it's a joke. In Cheyenne's most recent interview (link up thread), he says that Jason is the victim of all his bad press. Unless, of course, your definition of "victim" = "cause."

by Anonymousreply 462March 21, 2014 7:14 PM

I can see why Jason prefers to stay home than go to the Elton Oscar party. He can kick back and pop his teeth out.

by Anonymousreply 463March 21, 2014 7:43 PM

Jackson really has to be blind to not see Landau's motivation. To be honest they both seem completely dim and mentally off.

by Anonymousreply 464March 21, 2014 8:43 PM

People, especially gay ones raised in super fundy homes are pretty damaged, regardless of how they pretend to have shrugged it all off.

by Anonymousreply 465March 22, 2014 6:44 AM

Maybe being away from his fiance for a few days and back in his old element in the city will be good for him?

by Anonymousreply 466March 22, 2014 2:22 PM

I don't think that's a far fetched thought.

I think he seems sweet/normal/his old self in his latest video here.

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by Anonymousreply 467March 22, 2014 3:57 PM

Or maybe Jason uncovered his 'normal' asshole side and his Broadway 'sweet' side is just for show.

by Anonymousreply 468March 22, 2014 4:33 PM

R468: yes I love that dancing clip too. Beefy Hotness for DAYS!

by Anonymousreply 469March 22, 2014 9:22 PM

[quote]To be honest they both seem completely dim

I agree. They're meant for each other; a perfect team.

by Anonymousreply 470March 22, 2014 9:50 PM

I can't imagine Jason is going to let Cheyenne out of his sight for too long.

by Anonymousreply 471March 23, 2014 1:02 AM

Is it really appropriate for Broadway.com to advertise the concert of a guy who talks about his alcohol addiction with "Sip martinis with Cheyenne Jackson"?

by Anonymousreply 472March 24, 2014 2:55 PM

"Tweak with Cheyenne Jackson" would infringe on existing copyright laws.

by Anonymousreply 473March 24, 2014 3:26 PM

R468 okay that's really cute. I hope he gets away from the creepy fiance and is normal again.

by Anonymousreply 474March 24, 2014 3:49 PM

His website is gone. I had commented up thread about him not updating it since he met Jason and no one has posted any comments on his board in months.

by Anonymousreply 475March 24, 2014 4:04 PM

That is very weird.

by Anonymousreply 476March 24, 2014 5:29 PM

Regarding his website/message board, I noticed that as well. I think he's probably lost a lot of his old fans from New York, people that felt like they "knew" him in some way (if only because he recognized them and remembered their names and interacted with them online.) Let's face it, this is all a lot to stomach.

by Anonymousreply 477March 24, 2014 5:33 PM

His site is up. Must have been a coincidence. I'm surprised they haven't just removed the forum on there, honestly.

by Anonymousreply 478March 24, 2014 10:23 PM

I also noticed his website was down for 2 days. It just came back up. Not that it makes a difference. The website as well as his official Facebook, and YouTube Channel have not been updated since June 2013.

It's very bizarre . The only news comes from his twitter or Instagram .

I'm assuming this is all Jason / Landmark's influence

by Anonymousreply 479March 24, 2014 11:42 PM

He also used to constantly tweet observations, thoughts, etc. (not just post photos.) Constantly. He actually always seemed very sweet, funny and charming in his tweets. Those all stopped this summer, too. Now he just Instagrams.

by Anonymousreply 480March 25, 2014 2:01 AM

While it's easy to blame Landmark for everything and anything, is there a chance this (the lack of Facebook/Twitter/website updating) could actually be because Monte used to update everything? Just a thought. It makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 481March 25, 2014 2:03 AM

Christ this guys a weirdo.

Cheyenne just changed his twitter icon to a picture of Jason's dog Billie Jean.. Maybe he's giving Brillo a big F*ck You!

He also changed his twitter description to : Artist, Happy to be Alive.

How many time does he have to try ands convince people he's happy?

by Anonymousreply 482March 25, 2014 11:47 AM

It's bizarre to me that any guy over 16 years old has not ever considered that he is OVERSHARING on social media, and simply clobbering the public over the head with his life! It's so narcissistic, and dopey!

Give it a rest Mary!

by Anonymousreply 483March 26, 2014 2:31 AM

Happy to be alive? Was he on the threshold of death before? Because he actually looked healthier before he embarked on this crazy cult thing that he's gotten himself into.

by Anonymousreply 484March 27, 2014 3:39 AM

"How many time does he have to try ands convince people he's happy?"

I don't think he's trying to convince "people". I think he is trying to convince HIMSELF that he is happy.

by Anonymousreply 485March 27, 2014 4:03 AM

what is a "self help cult"? A group of chronic masturbators?

by Anonymousreply 486March 27, 2014 4:27 AM

Shower Selfie

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by Anonymousreply 487March 27, 2014 6:48 AM

^ And guess who took the pic...?

by Anonymousreply 488March 27, 2014 10:22 AM

"Cheyenne just changed his twitter icon to a picture of Jason's dog Billie Jean.. Maybe he's giving Brillo a big F*ck You!"

Glad Brillo can't surf the 'net and feel replaced and forgotten. I remember Cheyenne once posting a photo of Brillo with a caption like "I can't believe anybody could leave him, but I'm so glad for us they did". Well, he had no qualms about leaving. I get that people don't share custody of dogs when they split up and live on opposite sides of the country, but the fact that he moved on so quickly, even with his new dog, is just sad and alarming.

by Anonymousreply 489March 27, 2014 10:46 AM

R488

How bizarre, and immature. He's a 39 year old man posting selfies while taking a shower? Jackson is SO desperate for any attention these days its really become pathetic.

When you search his Twitter feed he posted almost the exact picture ( of Cheyenne in the shower with a Ferris Bulller Mohawk) and almost the exact same caption, on the following days:

Nov 28, 2011 - Ferris Bueller shampoo mohawks are fun every single time

Feb 16, 2013 - Ferris Buller mohawks are fun

March 27, 2014 - Nothing says badass like a Ferris Bueller shampoo mohawk!

We get it Cheyenne you want everyone to see you naked!

I guess he's always been this desperate? It's really sad.

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by Anonymousreply 490March 27, 2014 12:12 PM

R491 from your post he sounds like just kind of a goofy dumbass who gets genuine pleasure from his shower mohawk. He posted about it once a year. This is the first picture he's posted of it so the other times didn't have anything to do with wanting people to see him naked.

Also I know I've said it before but he could have been very upset about Brillo and just not put it out there on any social media. When my pet died I didn't even tell people who weren't close friends because I just didn't want to deal with it, but I was heartbroken for a full year.

Obviously his behavior is crazy, the most alarming thing probably being his proximity to this cult now. And this new relationship, and the way he ended his last one. One of the two leaked that "sex tape," Jason or Cheyenne. Obviously some unstable shit is going on.

But this thread is weirdly vicious and overreacting about weird thing.

by Anonymousreply 491March 27, 2014 12:49 PM

things*

by Anonymousreply 492March 27, 2014 1:24 PM

The weirder he gets, the less interesting he becomes.

by Anonymousreply 493March 27, 2014 2:14 PM

"Would we have been kinder if Jason were cuter?"

I know you're kidding, but I don't think any good looks would cancel out how immature and boastful he is on Instagram. And how he flaunts the fact that he had an affair with a married man and has no shame or dignity about it. Or that he likely emailed around his "love"'s personal sex tape sent to him. Or that he is heavily involved with a cult that takes advantage of vulnerable people and rips them off. Did I miss anything?

by Anonymousreply 494March 27, 2014 2:26 PM

"^ And guess who took the pic...?"

Actually, I think C might have taken that one himself.

It looks like he and Landau have been separated this past week, and you just KNOW as soon as Landau lands in New York City they'll be posting kissy reunion photos as if one of them just returned home from Iraq.

by Anonymousreply 495March 27, 2014 2:28 PM

CheyJack strikes me as one of those freakish types who has never considered the possibility of being single for even 5 minutes as a reasonable thing to experience in his lifetime. You know, maybe as just a palate cleanser?

by Anonymousreply 496March 27, 2014 2:39 PM

Eh, in his defense, shower selfies are silly, but, whatever. They're supposed to be silly and I think Instagram brings out the immature and attention whore side of a lot of people. Maybe he really IS just amused by Ferris Bueller mohawks.

His "public" seems to enjoy it, and he's not hurting anybody this time.

by Anonymousreply 497March 27, 2014 4:35 PM

Still seems goofy and adorable to me. And yes, I'd prefer him to be with someone more attractive. If you're going to date a crazy cult person, at least it should be someone hot.

by Anonymousreply 498March 27, 2014 4:37 PM

I don't blame him for instagramming instead of blogging. If I ever saw a thread like this about myself, I'd stop, too.

DL's gotten nastier and much less witty, and although I'm right up there with thinking Landmark is stupid (not evil, but lame and money-grubbing) and celebrities are silly and not role models, I don't understand the desire to a) excoriate an openly gay guy for every fucking thing he posts, b) be so over-invested that I actually contemplate sending this sad, mocking/insulting thread to a celeb's parents or telling a stranger's family to hold an intervention, or c) pretend we understand a total stranger and know what and who is best for him or her.

But, like I said, not as many bright people on here anymore (and, I hope, not as many gay ones... if most of these posts are by gay men, something is very fucked up). Almost everyone on here except those who shared their personal experiences with the Forum crap sound like straight teenagers or straight women who care whether Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson get back together.

by Anonymousreply 499March 27, 2014 5:34 PM

Please read the comments following the vid comparing Landmark to Scientology. A cult is a cult is a cult . . .

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by Anonymousreply 500March 28, 2014 12:34 AM

R492, R500...oh, get YOU, Mary!! Why, you are just too good to associate with us lesser beings dear! Yet here you are on the bitchy gay gossip site, reading all these horrible posts you hold in such disdain. So, if we're all losers, what does that make YOU, hmmm?

by Anonymousreply 501March 29, 2014 2:54 AM

"I don't blame him for instagramming instead of blogging. If I ever saw a thread like this about myself, I'd stop too."

Actually, r500 there IS a thread about you! Please see the "Troll with a stick up his ass thread."

by Anonymousreply 502March 29, 2014 4:40 AM

R502 we're two different posters, and R500 pretty much insulted me as well so calm down. I mean "straight teenagers or straight women who care whether Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson get back together" could describe the tone of my posts pretty well if you were being a bitch so.

by Anonymousreply 503March 29, 2014 7:28 AM

R500 you bring up some good points.

However, Cheyenne Jackson unlike many other Gay celebrities has gotten a pass from the media and Datalounge for a good many of years, and for the most part he still does. In the mainstream press only Queerty, NY Daily News, and the NY Post have reported negative (albeit true stories) about him.

Using the terms excoriate or vicious in describing the treatment of Jackson here is ridiculous ….especially, if you read what is said about Gay black men, lesbians, most other celebrities.

The issue I and I assume other people have is he seems completely disingenuous. The whole awe-shucks bull sh*t he keeps trying to push on everyone is no longer believable given his recent behavior.

90 % of his support is based upon his looks He is an actor of very limited ability and without those looks, no one would care.

He is a drug addict and alcoholic who went nuts last summer, left his partner of 13 years , and is now engaged to another drug addict/ alcoholic…. who has gotten him involved a cult.

I applaud him for trying to get his life back in order. But, he invites criticism by tweeting and instagraming every element of his personal life with seemingly no boundaries.

Regarding the new boyfriend; criticizing his looks is juvenile, as is comments on Cheyenne’s genital warts and grizzled penis. Jason can’t help the beaver teeth, or his womanly shaped skinny-flabby body.

Commentary on Mr. Landau’s behavior is absolutely warranted. Jason cheated (very publically) with a married man, Instagrams like vapid 12 year old, and in all respects seems fame obsessed. Last but not least, he’s an ‘instructor” in a cult.

I ‘d argue fans and the media have been too nice to Jackson over the years, which has created this false nice guy image. Jackson is a self-a-hole (like many actors) I don’t care how many times he tweets about puppies and rainbows he’s not the Dr. Martin Luther King of the Gay movement and should receive no special treatment on DL.

by Anonymousreply 504March 29, 2014 2:21 PM

I'm sorry, Jason walks right into this all.

Yes, there is SUCH pain in his eyes. This really has been terrible for him. Wow. We're supposed to believe that? If it was true, he'd be keeping a low profile.

On Instagram yesterday:

jasonrlandau 22 hours ago Early morning rise to head out n see the love of my life... I'm comin for yah @mrcheyennejackson

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by Anonymousreply 505March 29, 2014 2:45 PM

I don't understand the social media complaints. Monte is hardly following him on social media, and if he is, then the so called flaunting should help him move on from Cheyenne. In a break-up, there's ultimately nothing better than getting that the person you loved is not who you thought they were.

by Anonymousreply 506March 29, 2014 2:49 PM

[quote]he invites criticism by tweeting and instagraming every element of his personal life

That says a lot. He's not very bright.

by Anonymousreply 507March 29, 2014 3:33 PM

[Regarding the new boyfriend; criticizing looks is juvenile, as is comments on Cheyenne's genital warts and grizzled penis. Jason can't help the beaver teeth, or his womanly shaped skinny-flabby body.]

I believe this is the first time we has used the word "grizzled" in describing Cheyenne's penis. Or anyone's, for that matter.

You must at least give us points for creative writing and vocabulary, r500.

by Anonymousreply 508March 29, 2014 4:07 PM

^ if not our cutting and pasting skills.

by Anonymousreply 509March 29, 2014 4:16 PM

[quote] Regarding the new boyfriend; criticizing looks is juvenile, as is comments on Cheyenne's genital warts and grizzled penis. Jason can't help the beaver teeth, or his womanly shaped skinny-flabby body.

Stealth shade or Mock stealth shade? Discuss.

by Anonymousreply 510March 29, 2014 5:00 PM

It's tres gay, either way. :)

by Anonymousreply 511March 29, 2014 6:42 PM

Who was the guy seen in NYC with Cheyenne recently?

by Anonymousreply 512March 29, 2014 6:50 PM

Huh?

by Anonymousreply 513March 30, 2014 4:43 AM

Sorry but Jason really shouldn't do Close-Ups.

by Anonymousreply 514March 30, 2014 6:22 AM

W&W R511!

by Anonymousreply 515March 30, 2014 6:25 AM

"Who was the guy seen in NYC with Cheyenne recently?"

What are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 516March 30, 2014 1:24 PM

You mean this guy?

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by Anonymousreply 517March 30, 2014 10:42 PM

That would be Jason.

by Anonymousreply 518March 31, 2014 12:17 AM

Any reports/reviews from Birdland?

by Anonymousreply 519March 31, 2014 12:18 AM

I went.

I hadn't seen him since his Carnegie Hall show about three years ago. I actually can't really criticize anything about his performance or his behavior last night. He did look pretty thin, but good, and was very funny and goofy onstage. He didn't get too personal, just mentioned how he "consciously uncoupled" last year and said something like, "More about that later" but never came back to it. He didn't say anything about Jason onstage, and did tell the story about his grandmother. At the end of the show, he named a couple of good old friends that were in the audience that have stuck by him throughout everything (some expression along those lines). That made me wonder if he has indeed lost a lot of other old friends this year.

He hung around forever schmoozing with fans, and seemed friendly and sweet.

I'm not sure what is going on in this guy's personal life, but he gave a great performance and was very polite and accommodating to his fans.

I always liked him, and hearing everything since the summer has been disappointing and concerning, but going by last night, he really did seem fine.

by Anonymousreply 520March 31, 2014 12:42 AM

[quote] going by last night, she really did seem fine.

by Anonymousreply 521March 31, 2014 12:54 AM

Every time I see one of Jason's posts, I feel like it's the 1990's and I am reading some teenage girl's AOL Instant Messenger away message or profile.

"jasonrlandau 18 hours ago A cold Sunday stroll through the city... Have I mentioned lately that I am so so so so in LOVE???? @mrcheyennejackson"

Good for them, I guess,if they're so happy, but it's extremely hard for me to believe that this has all been "terrible" for Jason. He seems to be absolutely loving all of this attention he is getting.

The constant adoration and photos is just too much for two nearing 40-year-old men.

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by Anonymousreply 522March 31, 2014 2:02 PM

Well, some of the posts could really be for you guys rather than Cheyenne - a "loving" middle finger, if you will.

by Anonymousreply 523March 31, 2014 2:06 PM

Oh, of course it is.

I have never seen adults act the way Jason does on social media.

by Anonymousreply 524March 31, 2014 2:12 PM

r521: Thanks for the report. Which friends did he name?

by Anonymousreply 525March 31, 2014 2:31 PM

I think the "middle finger" would probably be a good guess, except that Jason has been doing this practically since he met Cheyenne. As pathetic as most people here find it (myself included), i do think he's being genuine on Instagram. Yes, he's showing off like a kid with a new toy, but I don't doubt for a minute that he floats along every day on his Cheyenne Love Cloud.

by Anonymousreply 526March 31, 2014 3:07 PM

"Thanks for the report. Which friends did he name?"

Sorry, should have made a mental note to remember!

It was two women.

by Anonymousreply 527March 31, 2014 3:25 PM

Rose Nylund and Dorothy Zbornak.

by Anonymousreply 528March 31, 2014 3:49 PM

521, did you see Jason?

by Anonymousreply 529March 31, 2014 4:07 PM

Saw Cheyenne a couple times last week at Rock Center Equinox. He looked good. Must be in town for work.

by Anonymousreply 530March 31, 2014 4:09 PM

Why even mention that he "consciously uncoupled" in his show? He's such a mess, playing the victim.

Jason's not giving the middle finger, he's clearly not that self aware. He's acting like someone in a cult...being 'upbeat'. It's like Tommmy jumping on Oprah's couch.

by Anonymousreply 531March 31, 2014 4:12 PM

Cabaret performers always "personalise" a song or two in their introductions. It's to create faux-intimacy. Chey Chey is hardly unique in that.

by Anonymousreply 532March 31, 2014 4:18 PM

Please. He's 'personalizing' a song by just mentioning his break-up? He's a mess.

by Anonymousreply 533March 31, 2014 4:22 PM

Please what? That's corny shit all cabaret performers do. He's messy - Daddy Big Boots clearly shows that - but mentioning his divorce is hardly an example of that.

by Anonymousreply 534March 31, 2014 4:28 PM

Did anybody answer that question about who Cheyenne was seen with in New York?

by Anonymousreply 535March 31, 2014 4:53 PM

R535, please stop. I get it, you're a fan.

by Anonymousreply 536March 31, 2014 5:18 PM

Not really. Just not a fan of DL binary thinking (Cheyenne = Devil/ Monte = Angel) and tragic reaching for "evidence".

by Anonymousreply 537March 31, 2014 5:23 PM

Oh brother. "Binary thinking". Uh huh. Go away fanboy. You paid to go to his concert. We get it.

by Anonymousreply 538March 31, 2014 6:43 PM

r529 - that one made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 539March 31, 2014 6:44 PM

I don't think it's fair to judge him for not looking sad enough about being separated from Brillo. What is he supposed to do? Post photos sobbing holding one of Brillo's toys? And wouldn't it have been ten times worse if, on top of everything else, Monte had to lose custody of his dog? Then you'd all be flipping out that Cheyenne dumped Monte AND stole Monte's dog.

Of course he's hanging out with the dog he's living with now. It's not like Brillo is surfing Instagram and feeling bad.

by Anonymousreply 540April 1, 2014 7:21 PM

I feel it's a bit telling that he made it a point to reference his close old friends on stage. To me, that sounds like it could mean he knows very well he hasn't been easy to deal with the past year (and understandably has lost a lot of friends, since it probably is hard for people close to Monte to stay close to him) and also hasn't alienated ALL of his old friends, due to all these changes or Landmark or whatever. I think somebody in his position needs to stay close to as many pre-fame friends as he can.

Let's face it, even people at their craziest and worst still need friends that love and support them.

I actually don't think he's a lost cause.

by Anonymousreply 541April 1, 2014 9:15 PM

Mr. Jackson is currently flat broke and in debt. Looks like Landmark has him hooked!

by Anonymousreply 542April 2, 2014 12:43 AM

How do you know this, r543?

by Anonymousreply 543April 2, 2014 1:07 AM

R544 If I told you I'd get people in trouble.

by Anonymousreply 544April 2, 2014 1:57 AM

Oh, r522....You Made Me Love You!

by Anonymousreply 545April 2, 2014 3:31 AM

How do we even know that it was Cheyenne who dumped Monte? Didn't somebody say in one of these threads that one time Cheyenne left him for a chorus boy but returned after a few weeks? Maybe the same thing happened and Monte just dumped him instead of taking him back.

by Anonymousreply 546April 2, 2014 3:48 AM

R541, I was wondering how long it would take for the apologist fans to show up.

Yes, abandoning your pet is the sign of a really warm and tender person. And then quickly using another pet for online PR is just as much a sign of a wonderful person. You're an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 547April 2, 2014 3:48 AM

R548 no you're the idiot. What else is he supposed to do about Brillo? There's nothing he can do about it. How did he "abandon" Brillo? Most people don't attempt dual custody of pets after a divorce or a breakup. I'm sure he was sad about. Also that post never said Cheyenne was a "warm and tender person" so what are you even talking about.

by Anonymousreply 548April 2, 2014 3:59 AM

I have a friend who amicably broke up with his partner and share custody of their dog.

by Anonymousreply 549April 2, 2014 4:02 AM

Better he let the dog go than pull a Johnny Weir.

by Anonymousreply 550April 2, 2014 4:03 AM

R550 "amicably" might be the key word there. Not saying it doesn't happen but it's not usual especially when you live on opposite ends of the country.

by Anonymousreply 551April 2, 2014 4:05 AM

Cheyenne posted on Twitter that The Most Happy Fella cast members are dropping like flies from the flu.

by Anonymousreply 552April 2, 2014 4:05 AM

I'm not sure I buy it, r543/r545 (unless he had to pay a big settlement to Monte, which I doubt). It's hard to believe that six months with Jason/Landmark has completely depleted his funds. Possible, I suppose - just hard to imagine (surely he can't be that dim).

Agree on little Brillo, r541: Letting Monte have Brillo is one of the few rational decisions Cheyenne has made - he's more stable than Cheyenne and has probably been Brillo's primary caretaker all along anyway. That said, I'm sure Cheyenne misses his little "Sea Captain." Just because he's adopted Jason's dog doesn't mean he's forgotten Brillo. (But if he has, then I take all that back because he's a douchebag)

I'm glad Monte's had Brillo. My little dog Pepper saw me through some rough times and I'm sure Brillo has been a loyal companion for Monte during this time.

by Anonymousreply 553April 2, 2014 5:14 AM

Definitely not an "apologist fan"...I've actually been pretty horrified at Cheyenne's behavior and have felt horrible for Monte throughout this whole mess.

I just don't see how Cheyenne "abandoned" Brillo. He didn't leave Brillo on the side of the road or at a shelter.

Yes, dogs are very important and special members or our families, but this is STILL a dog and NOT a child that they could share custody of. Brillo is being taken care of and loved by his other dad. What's the problem?

I admit that it is weird/sad seeing all these photos of Jason and Brillo when less than a year ago, Cheyenne had a completely different family. I can imagine it's much weirder and sadder for people who actually know all of these people.

But I don't think it's fair to say he abandoned him, and I think Monte was likely his primary caretaker and the responsible one to get custody of Brillo anyway.

by Anonymousreply 554April 2, 2014 2:11 PM

"I feel it's a bit telling that he made it a point to reference his close old friends on stage. To me, that sounds like it could mean he knows very well he hasn't been easy to deal with the past year (and understandably has lost a lot of friends, since it probably is hard for people close to Monte to stay close to him) and also hasn't alienated ALL of his old friends, due to all these changes or Landmark or whatever. I think somebody in his position needs to stay close to as many pre-fame friends as he can.

Let's face it, even people at their craziest and worst still need friends that love and support them."

You might be looking too much into that (but where's the fun if we didn't do that?), but I do agree that it's probably a good sign that he's still close to people outside of the Landaus and Landmark.

by Anonymousreply 555April 2, 2014 2:14 PM

Yeah, I think it would have been more upsetting if he DID get custody of Brillo and we were subjected to photos of Jason and Billie Jean with Brillo. I think that would have been an even worse "middle finger" to Monte.

At least Brillo has been protected from the Cult! Let's be grateful for that.

by Anonymousreply 556April 2, 2014 2:21 PM

Stop talking about this fucking Brillo usurper!

by Anonymousreply 557April 2, 2014 2:29 PM

"521, did you see Jason?"

I did. He was sitting in the front row bopping his head to the music the whole time. Cheyenne gave him the "I Love You" sign after one song.

He actually looks very young in person (I wonder if that's where the "much younger man" rumors had originally come from?) and seemed really short.

He was quiet, though,sitting with a girl and didn't seem to be running around playing mayor.

by Anonymousreply 558April 2, 2014 2:30 PM

Zora must be rolling in her grave.

by Anonymousreply 559April 2, 2014 2:32 PM

I'm not dead!

by Anonymousreply 560April 2, 2014 2:54 PM

Agreed, you can say what you want about Cheyenne, but saying he abandoned his dog is just grasping at straws. For all we know, he was sad and really did miss the dog, and maybe hanging out with Jason's dog is his way of coping. Hell, maybe, deep down, he DOES has a lot of guilt and sadness about everything, and all this over-the-top public happiness is his way of coping in general. He likely might be in a lot of denial or is trying to convince himself that he's doing so amazingly.

by Anonymousreply 561April 2, 2014 3:44 PM

I actually think he looks and sounds great here, but the tattoos just look dumb in a period piece.

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by Anonymousreply 562April 2, 2014 3:50 PM

He sad he was abusing drugs for about six years (alcohol for twenty). Isn't that about half the length of his relationship with the ex?

It sounds like they may both be better off.

by Anonymousreply 563April 2, 2014 3:55 PM

I agree that I think Jason is being genuine and not trying to give anybody an "F-you."

Cult enthusiast stuff aside, yes, I do think his social media behavior is extremely annoying and immature and much too much. And I think the fact that he started it so soon after Cheyenne's break-up was announced, which I took as public admittance that there had been adultery going on for a while, was pretty gross and very disrespectful to Monte/the people who love Monte, and a really dumb move PR-wise.

However, the kissy photos and nauseating captions are just stemming from the fact that the guy is giddy and seems a little starstruck and just cannot believe that Cheyenne Jackson chose HIM.

by Anonymousreply 564April 2, 2014 4:08 PM

"He sad he was abusing drugs for about six years (alcohol for twenty). Isn't that about half the length of his relationship with the ex?"

Where did he talk about the six years?

by Anonymousreply 565April 2, 2014 4:48 PM

The most recent interview - playbill, I think.

by Anonymousreply 566April 2, 2014 5:02 PM

That said, looking forward to seeing Fella Friday night.

by Anonymousreply 567April 2, 2014 6:06 PM

To R554. He didn't have that much to start with. Keep in mind that periodic TV appearances and Non Profit theater pay very little after everyone takes their cut. Cheyenne does not own any property or had any money put away. He has no income other than what he makes from acting, which is not substantial. All these diversions with Jason, Landmark and buying drugs eats away at your money real fast.

by Anonymousreply 568April 2, 2014 11:45 PM

"Cheyenne does not own any property or had any money put away."

And you know this because...?

by Anonymousreply 569April 3, 2014 2:42 AM

He actually said in a recent interview that he was doing voiceovers for AT&T for years and made a ton of money doing that, which took the pressure off of having to rely solely an acting to earn money. I hadn't heard that before.

But, yes, how do you know how much this guy has in his savings account?

by Anonymousreply 570April 3, 2014 2:10 PM

I've never heard that about the voice overs for AT&T. Can you link to the article?

by Anonymousreply 571April 3, 2014 2:19 PM

Is he mistaking himself for Julia Murney?

by Anonymousreply 572April 3, 2014 3:06 PM

He talked about it in a podcast interview with Aisha Tyler. I think a lot of stage actors do voiceovers and end up making more doing that than they do on Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 573April 3, 2014 3:46 PM

R562, you've missed the point. The point that was being made was that Jackson used the dog to endear himself to fans, and is doing the same with this new one. The issue is that his 'feelings' don't seem to be genuine, which would seem to be confirmed by the dumping of a 13 year relationship to take up with some meth head.

As for his financial situation, didn't HE just say that he's had a serious drug and alcohol problem for the last six years? Junkies tend not to have a lot of money put aside.

by Anonymousreply 574April 3, 2014 3:46 PM

"The point that was being made was that Jackson used the dog to endear himself to fans"

When was that ever the point. The point was always that Cheyenne was a dick for abandoning Brillo.

by Anonymousreply 575April 3, 2014 3:51 PM

I think some of you guys are more upset about this than Brillo is.

by Anonymousreply 576April 3, 2014 3:57 PM

I love r577.

by Anonymousreply 577April 3, 2014 4:39 PM

That's the point. Brillo has no idea what is going on. Brillo probably noted Cheyenne's absence for a couple of days, didn't really care because he traveled so much anyway, and then got over it...because Brillo is a dog.

Brillo knows he's fed and walked and taken care of and that's all that matters to Brillo.

As someone else said, it's not like Cheyenne dropped him off at a shelter. The dog has an owner and a home.

by Anonymousreply 578April 3, 2014 4:55 PM

Apologist dimbulbs have taken over this thread, clearly.

by Anonymousreply 579April 3, 2014 7:42 PM

Using his dog to endear himself to fans? The shameless hussy!?!

by Anonymousreply 580April 3, 2014 8:26 PM

Some of you are talking like the guy was posing with orphans in Uganda or volunteering in soup kitchens to make himself look better. He was posing with his dog. I don't think he had a hidden agenda or ulterior motive. I think he's a big goofy guy who posts photos of whatever dog he is currently living with.

by Anonymousreply 581April 3, 2014 8:41 PM

I think Jason's sensitive about people calling him an actor?

jasonrlandau 1 hour ago TBT to the days when I USED to be an actor... Let's be clear now boys n girls... I'm leaving all the acting talents to be shared by my other half now.

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by Anonymousreply 582April 3, 2014 9:11 PM

It's almost like he's asking people (DL specifically) to abuse him.

This one is at r583 is just too easy.

by Anonymousreply 583April 3, 2014 9:43 PM

The reviews for Most Happy Fella are really good. On the off-chance it transfers to Broadway, I think it would definitely be in Cheyenne's best interest to do it. I know he's saying in interviews that his fiancee and life are in LA now, but after the year he's had and if he's really that broke, it would be foolish of him to pass it up.

by Anonymousreply 584April 4, 2014 1:57 PM

Been there, done that.

by Anonymousreply 585April 4, 2014 2:07 PM

It's strange that he passed on 21st Century. With Chenoweth and perhaps another TV/movie name in the older male lead, Chey might have a decent run with it on Broadway, unlike Finian's and the porn comedy.

by Anonymousreply 586April 4, 2014 2:10 PM

Brantley wrote the show a complete love letter.

by Anonymousreply 587April 4, 2014 2:14 PM

FINIANS got a love letter, too. Nobody gives a shit about THE MOST HAPPY FELLA (except Jo Loesser).

by Anonymousreply 588April 4, 2014 2:28 PM

Jason's front teeth look as if they measure two inches in that pic R583 . Hideous.

by Anonymousreply 589April 4, 2014 2:47 PM

I think Jason's attractive honestly.

by Anonymousreply 590April 4, 2014 2:49 PM

I don't think his looks are the problem. It's just everything else--the cult, the cheating, the constant showing off.

by Anonymousreply 591April 4, 2014 3:12 PM

I agree that nobody cares about Most Happy Fella, but I'm glad to hear Cheyenne getting good reviews. He's also seemed happy/normal in recent posts, compared to some others this past year. I thought he seemed incredibly off when he was on WWHL last year. I have always really liked him and think there's hope for him.

by Anonymousreply 592April 4, 2014 4:48 PM

R593 I didn't know he went on WWHL, when was that?

by Anonymousreply 593April 4, 2014 4:50 PM

When he was back in NY around Thanksgiving doing his last Birdland shows. He just seemed off. And I'm not judging him too harshly. As I said, I actually do truly hope he's okay. Shouldn't be reading too much into silly Instagram videos, but he seems like the same lovable goof that starred in Xanadu again.

by Anonymousreply 594April 4, 2014 5:00 PM

Somebody on here mentioned Cheyenne obviously has bad confidence issues. They touch upon that in this interview.

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by Anonymousreply 595April 4, 2014 7:31 PM

Cheyenne has definitely traded DOWN.

by Anonymousreply 596April 5, 2014 1:22 PM

Oy, that pic at r596. He will NOT be happy.

by Anonymousreply 597April 5, 2014 2:37 PM

Wow, Monte was a prince or a giant ennabler. Maybe both.

[quote] I wasn’t going to get to the next level until I got up before noon; until I got up without having my food on the floor so I wouldn’t have the spins.

by Anonymousreply 598April 5, 2014 3:15 PM

Big teeth/dentures and all, the new guy is still better looking than potbellied ML.

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