Back of the Bus
I was watching a preview for HBO's new show "Looking" and noticed one thing- no people of color are leads. Why I ask is the gay community still living in 1958? Why is it whenever I see a black gay character on television, except a very few, they are the Amos N' Andy of gay men. Are young white gay afraid of black men, or Latin men who don't look like Ricky Martin? Do you think Asian men are ugly, or Middle Eastern men for that matter?
There is a community out there that wants to speaks about bullying, equal pay, and how Russia treats their gay population. But look at how the white gay population treats people of color within its own ranks. Russia isn't the problem.
Your porn, your television, your national face is all white. You need to get your own house in order. I see lots of black actors in movies and television playing great parts. But never in gay movies,or shows. Thanks for the gay marriage and other gay rights. I have a great view of them from the back of the bus.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||11/12/2013|
Um, OP... You do realize that "the gay community" does not by and large control the images of black gay characters on TV? You do realize that the things and people you see on TV and in movies are not real, and they don't always correspond with the views of everyone in "the gay community," whatever that is?
It's one thing to call for more diversity in TV shows, but your extremely odd post seems to indicate that you're unaware of these simple realities.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||11/11/2013|
OP and r1, why do you feel the need for approval and inclusion by whitie anyway? It sounds like you're begging your white master for inclusion in his movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||11/11/2013|
There is a Latino in the cast (Freddie J. Alvarez), but it is strange that after all these years, after Will & Grace and Queer as Folk, there's still not a black gay male character as a lead or co-lead.
(On the other hand, I'm more pissed off that the show was filmed without tripods, resulting in that godawful Extra Nauseating Super Shaky Cam™ look that I loathe.)
|by Anonymous||reply 3||11/11/2013|
And OP, if you're trying to suggest that the gay community is more racist than America at large, you're barking up the wrong tree, sister.
There is nothing about liking dick that makes someone racist. If anything, gays tend to live in more diverse, integrated urban areas than their straight counterparts, who arrange their lives and American society so that they and their kids never have to see or go to school with black people.
No doubt you'll find plenty of half-wits on this site to agree with you that all white gays are racists, that the rest of society has moved on from racist views, while gay movies are the contemporary equivalent of "Triumph of the Will" but it doesn't make it true.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||11/11/2013|
Maybe they can cast Maulik Pancholy for the second season (if there is one) to give the some some, er, flavor.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||11/11/2013|
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|by Anonymous||reply 6||11/11/2013|
Don't tell us, tell HBO!
They're the ones who cast these shows, and quite frankly, it's entirely possible that the suits who make the decision have never, ever thought about this issue. The entertainment industry is controlled by straight white men, the kind of people who need constant reminders that diversity really does matter.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||11/11/2013|
No, it isn't, r8. A racist is someone who judges or generalizes about others on the basis of their race. A racist can be of any race.
If a black person says nasty things about whites or Asians or blacks etc, he is being racist, the same as any other person of any other race who does the same.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||11/11/2013|
Hollywood (and many gay white men in general) seem to think that ethnic gay men don't exist. In their own little warped world, only pale white people are gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||11/11/2013|
While not all white gays are racist, many are. I'm tired of not seeing more diversity within the gay world. Half of the gay porn actors are boring AWG and most characters in tv and movies are white gays.
It's bizarre how offended the racist sector of white gays become when called out on this. Kudos to the non-racist white gays who understand things need to change.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||11/11/2013|
R14 Exactly. Whether they admit it or not, most white gays are racist. And I'm not talking about not being attracted to ethnic gays (I don't care about that), I'm talking about how they won't even talk or acknowledge them. It's really sick and warped, considering white gays have prejudices against them from anti-gay people.
I've always said that most of these white gays would be Republicans if they were straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||11/11/2013|
The lack of diversity on Looking is disappointing. I remember thinking that it was so strange that there were zero people of color on Queer As Folk, and that was damn near 14 years ago.
It is changing extremely slowly within the gay community, but the images of gay men and lesbians (and not of drag queens or trans people, who always seem to be black or Latino) are overwhelmingly white.
I think it's a generational thing because the main gatekeepers of gay culture are white gay guys in their 40's and older. They push the white thing because it is their ideal, but younger gays don't think like this to that extent. For that very reason it's gonna be a good 30 or 40 years before our images truly diversify, and that's pretty sad.
There is, however, a wealth of content online that puts gay POC's front and center if you want to look. Online seems to be the great equalizer. But, yeah, it'll be a cold day in hell before Out Magazine puts a solo black man on its cover.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||11/11/2013|
Brooklyn Nine-Nine has a gay black lead (the awesome Andre Brougher). However, OP will not be convinced by anecdotal contradiction. He feels discriminated against.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||11/11/2013|
You guys do know there was a whole show with nothing but black leads, co-stars and supporting cast right called Noah's Ark?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||11/11/2013|
R18 And that was on a two-bit channel.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||11/11/2013|
logo?? The actual gay network...
|by Anonymous||reply 19||11/11/2013|
r18, that's perfectly wonderful -- but I think what we're driving at is that gay films and TV programs that feature ensemble casts are uniformly white, with maybe...maybe...the occasional Latino thrown in.
Look, I'm a white gay guy; my circle of friends includes black guys, Latinos, South Asians. The str8 couple that live upstairs are from India; the military wife who lives across the hall is from Kosovo. And this is in a suburb of Dallas. Very, very few films/TV programs reflect "my" reality, and I can't think of a single gay film/TV program that has.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||11/12/2013|
I think that, despite all attempts to deny the fact, what we see today is not much different from what we saw 40 or 50 years ago. Generally speaking (because of course there are exceptions), white folks still tend to hang out with other white folks and black folks with black folks and Hispanics with Hispanics, etc.
Even in so-called multi-cultural environments, this is true. Drive by almost any high school in just about any city in the country after school or during lunch time, and observe the students and who they are walking and talking with. Even in schools with a very diverse student body, people tend to hang with their own.
This is even more true among adults, and it certainly is true about gay males in San Francisco, even today.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||11/12/2013|
[quote]it'll be a cold day in hell before Out Magazine puts a solo black man on its cover.
OUT Magazine hardly ever puts an OUT anyone on their cover, regardless of race.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||11/12/2013|
r16, Michael Irvin on the cover of Out, August 2011:
|by Anonymous||reply 23||11/12/2013|
[quote]Hell, I barely even see Italian-Americans, and they're as white as any other European ethnicity.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||11/12/2013|
The Fosters on ABC Family features a black lesbian as one of the leads.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||11/12/2013|