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Iran nuclear talks unravel after Binyamin Netanyahu intervention

Julian Borger, The Guardian

The diplomatic progress that brought six foreign ministers tantalizingly close to a historic agreement on the Iranian nuclear program is in danger of unraveling before negotiators meet again this month, officials and analysts warned on Sunday.

In a bid to contain the danger, the lead US negotiator, Wendy Sherman, flew straight from the talks in Geneva to Israel to reassure Binyamin Netanyahu’s government that the intended deal would not harm his country’s national interests.

The hastily arranged trip represented an acknowledgement of Netanyahu’s power to block a deal through his influence in the US Congress and in Europe. Egged on by the Israelis, the US Senate is poised to pass new sanctions that threaten to derail the talks before they get to their planned next round in 10 days’ time.

The US secretary of state, John Kerry, said on Sunday that America was sufficiently skeptical of Iran’s willingness to dismantle its nuclear program and would keep sanctions in place as talks continue.

“We are not blind and I don’t think we’re stupid. We have a pretty strong sense of how to measure whether or not we are acting in the interests of our country and of the globe,” Kerry said on NBC’s Meet the Press.

More immediately, Netanyahu demonstrated over the weekend that he could sway the Geneva talks from the inside through his relationship with Paris. It has emerged that after a call from Barack Obama on Friday evening asking him not to oppose the planned Geneva deal, Netanyahu did the opposite. He called British prime minister, David Cameron, Russian president Vladimir Putin, German chancellor Angela Merkel and French president François Hollande, asking them to block it.

Hollande, whose government shared some of Israel’s concerns, agreed. It was French opposition that finally sank the bid to seal a temporary nuclear accord, after three days of intense bargaining, in the early hours of Sunday morning, but Netanyahu was quick to claim credit.

Netanyahu told cabinet colleagues: “I told them that according to the information Israel has, the impending deal is bad and dangerous – not just for us but for them too. I asked them what was the rush and I suggested that they wait and consider the matter seriously.

“The deal at once lifts the pressure of sanctions which have taken years to put in place, and leaves Iran with its nuclear and enrichment capabilities intact. Not one centrifuge is to be dismantled. These are historic decisions. I asked that they wait and I’m pleased they have decided [to do] so.”

The French roadblock took Washington by surprise. There had been an initial day of discussions in Geneva on Thursday involving the Iranian foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, the EU foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, and senior diplomats from the US, the UK, France, Germany, Russia and China, the six-nation group known as the P5+1 that has led the nuclear negotiations since 2006.

There had been an understanding that if the talks looked close to agreement, Kerry, who was in the Middle East last week, would come to Geneva to push them over the finishing line. But on Thursday night the Iranians forced his hand. Zarif announced that work on drafting an agreement would start the next morning and officials told the press Kerry would fly in the same day – putting the US secretary of state in a bind. If he stayed away and the talks failed, he would be blamed. He was weighing the possibility of personal intervention anyway, officials in Geneva said, but would have preferred to have chosen the timing and made the announcement himself.

Kerry had an uncomfortable meeting with Netanyahu at Ben Gurion airport on Friday morning in which the Israeli prime minister lectured him on the dangers of deal with Iran which loosened sanctions without halting the nuclear project. The atmosphere was so sour, the Americans opted out of a joint press appearance.

Kerry took off for Geneva, but before he landed the draft agreement was under public attack from another, more unexpected quarter. The French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, told a French radio station that Paris would not accept a jeu des dupes – a fools’ game, casting doubt on when a deal could be concluded.

He broke an agreement not to discuss the content of the negotiations in public, outlining what France saw as the sticking points: Iran’s heavy-water reactor in Arak and its stock of medium-enriched uranium, which are alternative pathways to making a bomb. The 20% uranium could be easily turned into weapons-grade material if Tehran should decide to make a warhead, but Iran was refusing to ship it out of the country. The negotiators had been looking at compromises such as diluting it or turning it into oxide reactor fuel, which would make it more difficult to enrich further. But Paris was concerned that such options did not give the same level of assurance that the stockpile would not one day used for a bomb.

France’s unease about Arak was even greater. Once operational, the heavy water reactor would produce plutonium with its spent fuel. It was due to be completed next year, and Iran refused to halt production, saying it was essential for producing isotopes used in medicine, agriculture and other scientific research.

A compromise was being hatched by US and Iranian officials that would allow the Iranians to carry on building the reactor over the six-month period of the interim agreement, but only to test it with dummy fuel rods and ordinary water.

The French and the Israelis believed that was too high-risk a solution that would allow the Iranians to get so close to completion that they would be able to insert enriched uranium into the reactor with very little notice and present the world with a fait accompli. Once that was done, bombing the reactor would not be an option because it would send a radioactive plume across the region.

Kerry had been hoping to address the French reservations within P5+1, but Fabius refused to back down during a session of the foreign ministers that went late into Saturday morning. Zarif observed wryly that the P5+1 seemed to need more time to negotiate with each other than with Iran.

Other western officials were furious with what they saw as a French breach of the P5+1′s jealously guarded unity.

“This is about France’s interests in the Gulf and the fact that Hollande is going to Israel later this month and he doesn’t want the trip to turn into a nightmare,” one official said. French officials said the text drafted principally by the US and Iran was significantly different from the one discussed by the P5+1. “There are two parallel processes going on here, a multilateral one that has been going on for seven years, and a bilateral one, and the two have not come together properly. The cogs have got jammed,” said an European official in Geneva.

France has long suspected the Obama administration of being too ready to make a deal with Iran for short-term diplomatic gains, but as recently as a year ago a senior French official told the Guardian that ultimately an agreement would have to be made between Washington and Tehran. Paris, whatever its reservations, would not stand in its way.

That calculation clearly no longer applies. Following the two countries’ falling-out over Syria, in which the French believed the Obama administration was dithering, France now feels strong enough to oppose Washington on America’s most pressing foreign policy issue – a measure perhaps of America’s waning influence in the world.

by Anonymousreply 30611/24/2013

Binyamin knows best.

by Anonymousreply 111/10/2013

Yes, he know how to stab the POTUS in the back time and time again.

by Anonymousreply 211/10/2013

The US couldn't take nuclear weapons in Cuba why should Israel or anyone trust Iran with them. Keep the sanctions on them.

by Anonymousreply 411/10/2013

Lovely? You are vile, r6.

by Anonymousreply 711/10/2013

[quote]And looks hot doing it.

I know!

by Anonymousreply 811/10/2013

He is a filthy low life and I wish him death...same as Arafat.

by Anonymousreply 911/10/2013

Let the Israelis and Iranians amuse us by bankrupting each other with a pointless nuclear arms race; Capellans welcome this.

by Anonymousreply 1011/10/2013

Bibi's been saying Iran was about to get the bomb for 20 years now. He's Right-wing American trash. He hates darkie Obama, and backed Rmoney. He blasted Obama for saying that Israel needs to get the fuck off of land that wasn't agreed upon - exactly the same as what Bush said. Instead of yelling at Bush, he blasts Obama.

by Anonymousreply 1111/10/2013

No one buys Israel as the consummate victim anymore. With the internet and more reliable sources out there these days, no one needs to depend on the American media carrying Israel's bullshit any longer.

by Anonymousreply 1211/10/2013

[quote]Yes, he know how to stab the POTUS in the back time and time again.

It seems like it's exactly the opposite.

Didn't Obama say he wouldn't let N.Korea get nuclear weapons?

Didn't Obama say that Asaad using chemical weapons was a red line?

Didn't Obama say he wouldn't let Iran get nuclear weapons?

It took years to implement these sanctions and now he can't wait to start lifting them for nothing in return.

r6 it would be nice if someone wiped you off the earth.

r5 How is it that Israel is the one who wants war as you say when it's the Iranians that have been making daily genocidal threats against them for at least a decade?

And to the OP, I guess you missed the intervention by the French against the ridiculous deal they were about to reach AND the Saudi objections AND the Gulf states, right?

by Anonymousreply 1311/11/2013

You said it better than I could, r13.

by Anonymousreply 1411/11/2013

R12 looks like our buddy R13 has been watching only Fox and avoiding reliable sources. lol

by Anonymousreply 1611/11/2013

r13 = Brietbart

by Anonymousreply 1711/11/2013

"Obama doesn't see North Korea launching nuclear weapon"

President Obama doubts that North Korea has the capacity to launch a nuclear attack, he said in an interview released Tuesday, but is nonetheless making sure the United States is prepared for "every contingency out there."

“Based on our current intelligence assessments we do not think that they have that capacity,” Obama said in an interview with NBC News conducted Monday, just before the Boston Marathon explosions.

Even so, he said, “we have to make sure that we are dealing with every contingency out there. And that's why I've repositioned missile defense systems to guard against any miscalculation on their part."

Monday was a major holiday in North Korea, the 101st anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, the country's founder and grandfather of current leader Kim Jong Un. Though Pyongyang has in recent years used the day to show its military strength, Monday passed without the missile test that many anticipated. Though that could be a sign that Kim is being cautious about going too far in his provocations, Obama said he still expects to see more bluster from Pyongyang.

“North Korea will probably make more provocative moves over the next several weeks,” he said. “But our hope is that we can contain it and that we can move into a different phase in which they try to work through diplomatically some of these issues so that they can get back on a path where they're actually feeding their people.”

The United States, South Korea and other allies are open to talks with Pyongyang, but only if Kim backs down from his "provocative behavior," Obama said.

“You don’t get to bang your spoon on the table and somehow you get your way."

by Anonymousreply 1811/11/2013

Is al Arabiya good enough for you, r16?

[quote]Iran still shouts ‘death to America and Israel’ Friday, 8 November 2013 Majid Rafizadeh

[quote]This past Monday marked the 34th anniversary of the takeover of the U.S. embassy in Iran, leading to 52 Americans being held hostage for several months. Contrary to what many analysts thought, and despite the recent “thaw” and optimism considering rapprochement between Iranian authorities and American leaders, tens of thousands of Iranian demonstrators packed the streets outside of the former U.S. embassy in Tehran this year. Hundreds of thousands also demonstrated against Israel and the U.S. in other cities across the country.

[quote]The protests were unprecedented in their scale and scope, reported as the biggest anti-U.S. and anti-Israel rally in years. According to Iran’s official media, millions of people participated in these protests and demonstrations around the country, the largest turnout in years.

by Anonymousreply 1911/11/2013

No, I'm not a Neocon.

I'm just more realistic than you and your lot. You see reality in a completely binary manner where there are people who think like you or right wing freaks. There couldn't possibly be anything in between and if someone is a liberal, they have to always think a certain something about everything (and exactly like you) and if they don't, they have to be the opposite of what you are.

You are infantile.

by Anonymousreply 2511/11/2013

[quote]Bibi never apologized for the Gaza flotilla raid.

Good. He shouldn't.

by Anonymousreply 2711/11/2013

Why should Israel apologize to Turkey for anything after Turkey exposed Israel's Iranian spies?

by Anonymousreply 3111/11/2013

Which country in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?

by Anonymousreply 3311/11/2013

You haven't been paying attention. Netanyahu unfortunately did apologize at Obama's "request". He made him apologize to the demented Turk who sent a flotilla of terrorists to attack a country that was its ally.

It's touching to see how some here care so much about 9 dead terrorists. So much more important than say, 200,000 slaughtered in Syria in 3 years.

It's good to have priorities.

by Anonymousreply 3411/11/2013

[quote]It's touching to see how some here care so much about 9 dead terrorists. So much more important than say, 200,000 slaughtered in Syria in 3 years.

TERRORISTS? You racist fuck. How were they terrorists??? Did they have bombs on them? Israel claimed they were "terrorists." You are such a low life.

Don't you dare mention the dead Syrians, you disingenuous douchebag. You're about as sincere as the rightwing idiots who mentioned Saddam killing his own people. Just STFU and don't mention dead people you couldn't give a shit about.

by Anonymousreply 3611/11/2013

They armed themselves, r36, and they attacked the Israeli soldiers. They had no business being there in the first place.

P.S. The Mavi Marmara was a passenger ship. It wasn't bringing supplies, just people.

by Anonymousreply 3711/11/2013

r35 The only hypocrite and liar here is you especially if you're indeed a Christian Palestinian.

The only place where Christians live in peace in the Muslim and Arab world is in Israel. Go ask your Christian brothers in the Palestinian territories how "well" they are treated by the Muslims. Go to Bethlehem and see how a once 90% majority Christian city is left with 40%. It's not the "racist Israelis" that pushed them out.

by Anonymousreply 3811/11/2013

Israel is making one big mistake after another under BN. They are very lucky the Arab world is in disarray: otherwise, the strategic shift against them would be more obvious. In the end their best play is to get the Sauds killed, move the Hashemites to Arabia for a constitutional monarchy and make Jordan the "Republic of Palestine."

by Anonymousreply 4111/11/2013

[quote]There's the fact that Jews have been discriminated against or even kicked out of practically every European country at some point in time.

The common denominator being...

by Anonymousreply 4411/11/2013

[quote]I have been to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid.

by Anonymousreply 4511/11/2013

And Tutu lied. The roads are separated on nationality, not race. I.e, Israelis, including Israeli Arabs, can use certain roads that Palestinians can't.

by Anonymousreply 4611/11/2013

Israel has tried to maintain ties with Turkey, because it's one of the few majority Muslim countries willing to talk directly with Israel. That's why Israel has withheld a statement on the Turkish genocide of Christians.

by Anonymousreply 4811/11/2013

And you're saying that's ok, R54?

by Anonymousreply 4911/11/2013

R55 Greece and Rome were "pagans" darling. The Renaissance was a return to Greco-Roman values NOT Semitic ones.

by Anonymousreply 5011/11/2013

Anyone who tolerated the Nazi regime for political expediency is vilified. And yet, R56 suggests that we are to be 'understanding' about Israel's friendly relations with Turkey and stance on the Assyrian-Armenian-Greek genocide. Hypocrisy at its best.

by Anonymousreply 5111/11/2013

So, r62, where is your outrage about Netanyahu being expected to APOLOGIZE to Turkey?

by Anonymousreply 5211/11/2013

Why don't you answer the question, R62, instead of trotting out something else? Netanyahu and Erdogan are different sides of the same coin anyway.

by Anonymousreply 5311/11/2013

The Arabs, including the Palestinians, failed to defeat Israel in battle so they (brilliantly on their part) decided that their best bet is turning a religious/territorial/cultural conflict into a "racial" dispute. Brand the Jews/Israelis racists, call it all apartheid and the west will swallow and ask for seconds and thirds.

It always makes me laugh when I hear Arabs talk about bigotry and "racism" when their own "holy" book is a Nazi supremacist manifesto if there ever was one. It's not based on racial ideas but it's "hate, kill and subjugate" anyone who isn't a muslim and specifically muslim men because they hate and persecute half the world, the female kind.

Read it and weep.

by Anonymousreply 5511/11/2013

[quote]Which country in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?

Saudi Arabia, having bought them from Pakistan

by Anonymousreply 6011/11/2013

Check this out:

by Anonymousreply 6211/11/2013

Wow, r83.

by Anonymousreply 6811/11/2013

[quote]Some Jews in Pine Bush, New York, are really fucking up everything for this one nice school district in their blatant “money grab” (such Jews!) lawsuit just because their kids were constantly getting beaten up for being Jews, and having swastikas drawn on their faces for being Jews, and having coins flung at them for being Jews, and some other totally normal stuff you would do to Jews. After all, it is not the fault of Pine Bush, where nice grown ups just stone cold volunteer to New York Times reporters that all those Jews aren’t wanted there, nor is it the fault of school administrators, who are like, “wouldn’t it be easier if you just moved?”

[quote]Nope, it is definitely the Jew parents, and the Jew kids, and their (presumably Jew) lawyers, who should have known better than to live in Pine Bush and be Jewish, thereby forcing all the students to beat them up and the teachers to ignore it, and also forcing the teachers and administrators to leave up all the swastikas inside their classrooms for “months at a time.” Everybody knows being Jewish is the real anti-Semitism, probably.

by Anonymousreply 7411/11/2013

Spare yourselves the bullshit at R83 (and all his/her other links). It almost had me going until they bring up the evils of Communism, for which Jews are responsible, of course.

Netanyahu and his friends may be up to shady shit, but I don't see what that has to do with the general population at large in Israel or the Palestinian territories. Do you honestly think they're going to just pack up now, and go where? In any case none of this is my business, not my land, not my people.

by Anonymousreply 7611/11/2013

trolldar r99 and see the Nazi antisemitic rant.

by Anonymousreply 8011/11/2013

My life as a college professor would be better if the US would deport all of my Iranian students. Each semester, they try to bribe me for good grades. When that doesn't work, they use threats.

I always suggest they spend their energy studying.

by Anonymousreply 8411/11/2013

What you describe R110, is very common in the rest of the world. Don't single out the Iranians.

by Anonymousreply 8711/11/2013

Tikkun Olam everyone! Fix the world to suit our worldview!

by Anonymousreply 9111/11/2013

Right, of course they made their first few bucks trading slaves, all so they could bide their time and launch an invasion of Palestine in the 20th century. Why not just take over any one of the European countries or even America if they hold such sway in the world. That desert patch isn't all that valuable, even for religious reasons.

by Anonymousreply 9511/11/2013

Jew obsession is nothing new for Datalounge. But it's been many years since I've seen Holocaust denial around here.

by Anonymousreply 9611/11/2013

Yes, R119, I guess you are using Israel's sterling track record as a barometer? Some of the greatest persecutions going on in the world right now, Palestinians aside, are Christians in Israel. They are spat on while walking down the street but you won't be reading that often in the mainstream news.

by Anonymousreply 9911/11/2013

r114, I get your point. But I have students from 22 countries across five classes. Only the Iranian students bribe and threaten. I've talked to professors at other universities and they say the same thing (a friend at UCLA was threatened and the University quietly assigned extra security to him while the Iranian student was investigated and, eventually, expelled).

The sad thing is that there are good Iranian students somewhere but, given what happens to often w/ their countrymen/women, I would never hire an Iranian because I would have to assume they illegitimately rec'd their grades/degrees.

by Anonymousreply 10211/11/2013

There is one, and only one, country in the middle east where the Christian population is rising. It's Israel.

Christians are being kidnapped, raped, looted and even murdered in Egypt. Their churches are being burned. Christians are under attack in Syria and Pakistan. Christian preachers have been jailed in Iran. So what do you obsess over? Israel.

by Anonymousreply 10311/11/2013

Is this thread just a crazy, freakish joke now? I'm definitely laughing at it - big time.

by Anonymousreply 10811/11/2013

Muslims, R148?

by Anonymousreply 11311/11/2013

Are the mods going to do anything about this antisemitic meltdown all over the thread?

by Anonymousreply 13111/11/2013

I don’t want to alarm you, R179 and R180, but there have been rumors that your grandmothers were Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 14111/11/2013

r181 stop feeding the psycho. Let him jerk off to his bile until the mods ban him.

by Anonymousreply 14211/11/2013

Hi R135, there are countless articles in the press about this phenomenon. For example, more than 40% of parents pay bribes for education in Ghana. Offering bribes to teachers is also extremely popular in Turkey, China, Russia, Cambodia, and the list goes on. Did I misunderstand? Maybe one of your points is that its OK to adhere to the prevailing culture when these people tolerate bribery as a way of life in their own countries, but that it's not OK once they emigrate to the US and that your Iranian students in particular are the ones who did not learn this lesson?

by Anonymousreply 14311/11/2013

R65, there's a terrific website,, that explains all about how some (but of course not all) Jewish American lobbying groups deny the Armenian genocide while asking others to acknowledge the Holocaust. Hypocrisy. Check it out.

The groups are the ADL, AIPAC, AJC, JINSA and similar organizations. They have helped Turkey defeat the Armenian genocide resolution in the US Congress.

by Anonymousreply 14411/11/2013

Many juicy quotes from the jews themselves about themselves from over the years, look them up.

In jews our books they brag that judaism is synonymous with communism and far worse things, often coming from Rabbis. These are from their own books a lot of the time.

by Anonymousreply 14711/11/2013

The fighting here resembles that of New Coke versus Diet Pepsi versus RC. Too many -isms and investment in these manmade doctrines.

Of course the Abrahamic religions fighting among themselves is only repeated among the Dharmic and Daoist religions in central and east Asia.

It is inevitable that all nations, religions and the heterosexual dictatorship will be replaced by a secular global village in which there will be no more superstitions to fight over.

by Anonymousreply 15811/12/2013

[quote]The Holocaust was fucking real. I can only trace back my ancestry four generations. Thanks a lot, goyim!

Your entire family was wiped out? How is that possible? Surely they had family that came before them, and you're alive, so someone survived.

by Anonymousreply 15911/12/2013

[quote]I would never hire an Iranian because I would have to assume they illegitimately rec'd their grades/degrees.

You're an ugly, ignorant fuck.

by Anonymousreply 16011/12/2013

All Chairpersons of the Fed are Jewish, and most major banks are Jewish institutions that repeatedly put us on the brink of collapse, but its wrong to say Jews control finance.

All movie and television studios and many news organizations are headed by Jews, but it is wrong to say Jews control the media.

It is impossible to run as a major political candidate without pledging eternal loyalty to Israel, but it is wrong to say Jews have undue influence in Washington.

When I look outside it is wet and water is falling from the sky, but it is wrong to say it is raining.

by Anonymousreply 16411/13/2013

This thread contains Holocaust denial. Why hasn't this been shut down?

by Anonymousreply 16511/13/2013

R215, many of those have been applied to all non-whites at some point or another. Seems like a problem white people have, yes?

I hope (though undoubtedly in vain) you don't honestly believe any of the shit you've posted here. It is really sad, and extremely disturbing. Posts should never be as long as yours, do work through your issues.

by Anonymousreply 16611/13/2013

R228, that's a notorious video where they filmed Palestinians after handing out candy and food to them, only to film them as if they were celebrating the 911 attacks. Nice try, kike!

by Anonymousreply 17311/13/2013

Guys, stop replying to this vile pos. He's obviously soaked in jew hate and revels in it (I'm sure he pretty much hates everybody who isn't like him, including the homos. THEY ALWAYS DO).

by Anonymousreply 17711/13/2013

Sounds like r229 needs to fuck-off while taking an bath in acid.

On the other hand I'd like to see Zimmerman's jury lynched, for sure.

by Anonymousreply 18011/13/2013

R242 tries so hard to portray jews as victims and correlates it to gays so that you forget every single point I've made.


by Anonymousreply 18211/13/2013

r257 needs to get back to his friends at Stormfront, where he can shout to the stars how much he hates Jews. FF for r257

by Anonymousreply 18711/13/2013

Interesting article from actor Crispin Glover, he seems to know something about Steven Spielberg:

by Anonymousreply 19011/13/2013

I thought Roy Bullock was retired....

by Anonymousreply 19411/13/2013

One has to wonder why Webmaster has left this thread up and deleted all requests to remove it.

by Anonymousreply 19811/13/2013

The Jews themselves tell us who they are:

by Anonymousreply 20311/16/2013

And possibly the best video of them all:

by Anonymousreply 20411/16/2013

Read through this thread for more truth about the jews: Iran nuclear talks unravel after Binyamin Netanyahu intervention

by Anonymousreply 20911/16/2013

BTW, r278, 15% of the population throughout the ancient Roman Empire was Jewish. Which means all European peoples have Jewish blood. Which means you're a self-hating....

by Anonymousreply 21011/16/2013

R283, that is officially the dumbest post in this entire thread. I don't know if that is one of the most hilarious jew lies of all time, simple stupidity, or both.

"You shouldn't criticize jews because everyone, including you is a jew." Wow, that one is just hilarious. I'm not a kike, so speak for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 21211/16/2013

r289, I think you're a Chip Berlet-type working for TBTB. Most of the DLers know you're working from a boiler room, working from a script. You put on a poor act, though. We taxpayers should get a better performance from you. Are you FBI or a NGO?

by Anonymousreply 21711/16/2013

Mamie Eisenhower was Jewish.

Maybe that'll do the trick.

by Anonymousreply 22011/17/2013

From the link at R296, Neil Tennant speaking:

[quote] Israel has (in my opinion) some crude and cruel policies based on defense; it also has universal suffrage and equality of rights for all its citizens, both Jewish and Arab...

Instant credibility collapse, Neil.

by Anonymousreply 22211/17/2013

Wow, the foreign minister is a hero, he is the Mossadegh of our time.

by Anonymousreply 22411/24/2013

I agrer, R301. It's impossible to have a discussion of this issue online without hired monkeys in boilerrooms pasting bits from their prepared scripts.

That said, the truth will prevail. If their arguments were truthful, they wouldn't feel forced to set up operations to misinform the American public.

by Anonymousreply 22511/24/2013

Oh, yeah! Well, if Mitt Romney were president, he wouldn't need to make an agreement because we'd already be in an unwinnable war with Iran.

by Anonymousreply 22611/24/2013

Bump for agreement.

by Anonymousreply 22711/24/2013

[quote]I agrer, [R301]. It's impossible to have a discussion of this issue online without hired monkeys in boilerrooms pasting bits from their prepared scripts.

Is that not what we get from the media and the government every single day? And yet you are saying that they are the ones who are correct? Wow.

by Anonymousreply 22811/24/2013
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