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Hawaiian Gay Couples Could Marry As Soon As 12/2/13

[quote]n an emotional speech on the House floor before the vote, bill supporter Rep. Kaniela Ing, a South Maui Democrat, repeatedly asked, [bold]"How many more gay people must God create before we realize that he wants them here?"[/bold]

Awww Yisssss!

by Anonymousreply 2611/09/2013

The extended fiery debate rely revealed how religiously conservative Hawaii is. I have not seen such a virulent antigay presence at any gay marriage hearing in any other state. They were a large group of loud and angry protestors and testifiers. The image of Hawaii as progressive is still shattered despite it passing. The large number of Democrats against marriage equality is especially shocking.

by Anonymousreply 111/09/2013

Aloha, and thank you, to all who worked toward this end. You folks will be inundated with gay couples wishing to marry in your lovely state.

by Anonymousreply 211/09/2013

Will Nevada be next? I've always wanted a drive-thru wedding, it's so romantic.

by Anonymousreply 311/09/2013

Here's a comment I saw that really defines the opposition.

That's because they define their love of their god as hatred of us.

by Anonymousreply 511/09/2013

A good friend of mine lives in Honolulu and he told me that the anti-gay protestors were so out of control that he feared there would be riots.

by Anonymousreply 611/09/2013

they are desperate and losing in case after case, state after state.

the supreme court decision this summer was a HUGE turning point.

They lost.

They are losers, and they kind of know it, thus the extra emotional anger.

by Anonymousreply 711/09/2013

True. It was so bad that police had to rope off areas of the Capital for pro and con SS Marriage.

Even the bathrooms were labeled pro and con SS marriage. Seriously.

I was surprised the drinking fountains didn't say "normal" people only and one for "fags". I never experiencd anything ike it.

by Anonymousreply 811/09/2013

Illinois' marriages don't start until June, 2014.

by Anonymousreply 911/09/2013

Hawaii had the most protracted, fiery debate of all the states thus far. Some really scary moments outside and inside the legislature. I hope everyone stays safe.

by Anonymousreply 1011/09/2013

It is telling that even in the most liberal states, the opposition is very public, large, vocal, and committed. But Hawaii took it to another level.

by Anonymousreply 1111/09/2013

So have Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan set a date yet?

by Anonymousreply 1211/09/2013

When this talk of gay marriage talk in Hawaii started, I was surprised because I always figured them to be anti-gay. Looks like I was right.

by Anonymousreply 1311/09/2013

Eager to avoid the loud and lengthy protests over same-sex marriage that disrupted the Hawaii House of Representatives this week, the state Senate may act swiftly on Senate Bill 1.

Senators are considering accepting the House's amended version of SB 1 that expands religious exemptions, removes language concerning parental rights and changes the effective date to Dec. 2.

The Senate could vote on the historic legislation as early as Tuesday. That would avoid conference committee deliberations between House and Senate members and immediately send the bill to the desk of Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who has championed the legislation.

The governor's signature on SB 1 would make Hawaii the 16th state, along with the District of Columbia, to legally recognize gay marriage.

"I commend the House of Representatives for taking this historic vote to move justice and equality forward," Abercrombie said in a statement after the House voted 30-19 to pass the bill late Friday night. (Two House members, who were formally excused, were absent.)

"After more than 50 hours of public testimony from thousands of testifiers on both sides of the issue, evaluating dozens of amendments, and deliberating procedures through hours of floor debates, the House passed this significant bill, which directly creates a balance between marriage equity for same-sex couples and protects our First Amendment freedoms for religious organizations," he said.

The bill could encounter snags in the Senate, but nothing like what happened in the more evenly divided House this week. Republican Sam Slom or any of the three Democratic senators who also voted "no" on SB 1 last week could mimic the stalling tactics that House opponents employed, like proposing floor amendments that were destined to fail.

The Senate, the Abercrombie administration and marriage-equality advocates have been closely following SB 1's long journey through the House. Organized — and galvanized — opposition to the legislation in and around the capitol, especially from church groups, has only grown stronger, even as the bill inched toward passage.

The fervor over the bill was evident again Friday, when the House voted on a third and final reading to approve SB 1 after 12 hours of floor deliberation and two dozen recesses. It resembled Wednesday's 11-hour session, when representatives tried to stop SB 1 by introducing multiple floor amendments, each one summarily voted down by voice and roll-call votes.

Just as on Wednesday, hundreds of people on both sides of the same-sex marriage debate were on hand. But it was the opponents who were more numerous and vocal, shouting "Let the people vote!" for hours in the Capitol Rotunda. Rising tensions prompted House Sergeant-at-Arms Kevin Kuroda to craft an arrangement Thursday whereby the rotunda, the House gallery and Beretania Street were divided into equal-sized sections so both groups could do their thing, but with less risk of physical confrontation Friday.

It worked. SB 1 opponents were just as vocal as before, but there were also more rainbow-lei-wearing supporters on hand, demonstrating that they would not be intimidated in their campaign for marriage equality.

What was different about Friday's House session, however, was that it was televised by Capitol TV. The increased coverage carried the same arguments representatives made Wednesday to a broader audience.

Lawmakers' actions included proposing amendments to further expand church exemptions from the public accommodations law, allow "conscientious objectors" to refuse service to same-sex couples, let teachers opt out of teaching the "homosexual lifestyle" and permit parents to remove their children from class when that happened, and establish a task force to study marriage equality.

One by one, Republicans Gene Ward, Bob McDermott and Richard Fale spoke in favor of the amendments, joined at times by Democrats like Sharon Har and Marcus Oshiro. McDermott once again worried about Dick and Jane books forced to show Dick and Dick or Jane and Jane; Fale once again argued that Abercrombie had divided the community by ordering the special session; and Ward once again expressed concern for "mama bears" threatened by a penis entering an anus.

And one by one, all of the amendments went down to defeat. Repeatedly throughout the day someone would call for a recess — more than 20 times by 6 p.m. — when representatives would huddle to talk on the chamber floor or disappear into the Democrats' caucus room. One very long recess came in the middle of the day; it coincided with lunch.

Democrats Rida Cabanilla and Isaac Choy, both "no" votes on SB 1, were absent from Friday's session. Oshiro himself showed up late, wearing a bright aloha shirt that stood in colorful contrast to his male colleagues' dark business suits.

By the time the floor session ended around 11 p.m., most representatives seemed to have taken to heart the words of Democrat Gregg Takayama, who opened Friday's session with advice from John F. Kennedy.

To find courage to do the right thing, Kennedy said, a person "must look into his own soul. ... A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality."

Or in the words of the "great philosopher" Macklemore, a rapper whose chart-topping "Same Love" song Rep. Kaniela Ing quoted on the floor, "a piece of paper won't solve it all, but it's a damn good place to start."

by Anonymousreply 1411/09/2013

I think outsiders tend to overestimate how liberal some blue states are. In some states, many Democrats are just as antigay as Republicans. Hawaii is liberal on economic issues and ethnic issues, but it has a very large religious conservative population that finds homosexuality abhorrent.

by Anonymousreply 1511/09/2013

Do the anti-gay assholes who are flipping out have a life? Why are they so concerned about something that doesn't affect them?

by Anonymousreply 1611/09/2013

Ugly debate

by Anonymousreply 1711/09/2013

Makes you wonder why those in Illinois have to wait until freakin' June or whatever.

by Anonymousreply 1811/09/2013

I lived in a Polynesian country for a year. There is a large Christian presence in the Pacific Islands. Mormons have a foothold there. The idea of the laissez-faire islander is outdated (if it ever existed.)

by Anonymousreply 1911/09/2013

I'm a moron. I thought Hawaii was one of the first to recognize gay marriage.

by Anonymousreply 2011/09/2013

R18 -- it's a quirk in Illinois procedure. I hope that the state can do what Oregon did and start recognizing out of state marriages as soon as the bill is signed, regardless of when in-state marriages actually begin.

by Anonymousreply 2111/09/2013

Hawaii was the first state to ban gay marriage. I think it was back in the '90s.

by Anonymousreply 2211/09/2013


by Anonymousreply 2311/09/2013

I'm sure you all know this but before the missionary force blew thru the Hawaiian Islands, same sex relationship were just normal part of life .

No big deal. Then when the religious folks came, that part of their culture, along with many other aspects, was shall we say.... Modified.!!!

by Anonymousreply 2411/09/2013

Same with the American Indians, r24. Gays were not only accepted but valued, considered mediators between the two sexes. It's illustrated in the old movie Little Big Man.

by Anonymousreply 2511/09/2013

[quote] Hawaii was the first state to ban gay marriage. I think it was back in the '90s.

Little more complicated than that. Hawaii was the first state where the state courts legalized same-sex marriage. Then a public vote was held overturning the decision.

It was that case that resulted in state and federal DOMAs being passed.

[quote] Same with the American Indians, [R24]. Gays were not only accepted but valued, considered mediators between the two sexes. It's illustrated in the old movie Little Big Man.

Two-spirited is not synonymous with gay. I can't find any record where two men who were identified as masculine by the tribe were accepted as lovers/partners. I can't find any mention of women being identified as two-spirited.

by Anonymousreply 2611/09/2013
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