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“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

These words, spoken by U.S. President Barack Obama in various forms and iterations, have become a running joke amidst the rollout of the Affordable Care Act. All across the country, hundreds of thousands of citizens are receivingcancellation notices in the mail. The stringent requirements for insurance plans under the new edict are curtailing many individual policies. A simpleton can grasp the economics: you prohibit something, it goes away. And yet, for years prior, the White House ignored the oncoming train and is now slowly inching away from the wreckage.

This was not the unforeseen consequence of good-intentioned legislation. According to an investigative reportfrom NBC, the Obama Administration was fully aware of the result its health care bill would have on the marketplace for insurance. A provision written in the original version of the law would have allowed for the grandfathering of existing plans that did not meet the new standards. However, the Department of Health and Human Services rewrote the stipulation to radically narrow the rule, so that an estimated “40 to 67 percent of customers will not be able to keep their policy.” Not one to be a wet blanket, President Obama continued to assuage the public and reassure everyone that their preferred insurance policy would not being going away.

by Anonymousreply 19211/22/2013

I have a "junk" sort of insurance that I can keep because it was created prior to 2010.

You can keep "grandfathered" plans if they're old enough. Mine costs $150 a month for a 58 year old with no pre-existing conditions, and it has a $10,000 deductible, but only covers hospital expense - never any doctors visits or drugs, with just a few exceptions: such as chemotherapy and outpatient surgery.

For a 25 year old, the same policy costs about $40 a month. These policies are through United Health Care's "Golden Rule" which specializes in private health insurance.

It has been forced to add some free screenings by Obamacare but I was sent a letter that I can keep the insurance, due to the age of this type of policy. I hope to get something better through Obamacare if I can ever get the website to work.

by Anonymousreply 311/03/2013

Is OP a freeper moron, or what?

This has been debunked endlessly.

by Anonymousreply 411/03/2013

[quote] This was a lie

no it wasn't. The context of what the president said was in regards to people who have insurance being forced to cancel that insurance and get insurance through the Obama care registry. They won't have to do that. They can just keep their regular insurance. It has nothing to do with the insurance company pulling their policy. And that's exactly what happened. these people's insurance company pulled their insurance plan

by Anonymousreply 911/03/2013

R8, yes, because insurance companies have NEVER canceled policies before, or changed them, or anything, before ObamaCare. (rolling eyes)

by Anonymousreply 1111/03/2013

Wrong, R12. You're wrong. Deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 1311/03/2013

Yes, Obama misled us on this, but he HAD to. We had to get it passed no matter what. It's for our own good. Sometimes it's okay for the President not to be truthful if its for our benefit.

by Anonymousreply 1411/03/2013

HE didn't mislead us.

ObamaCare didn't change anything in this respect.

Insurance cancels and alters plans all the time.

It's amazing people are blaming Obama for the fact that some people were basically paying too much for crap plans (basically paying to be uninsured).

Why the fuck isn't anyone blaming the insurance companies?

by Anonymousreply 1511/03/2013

Please! Everyone has had insurance cancelled at some point or other. I once had two policies cancelled within a year!

But now they get to blame it on ACA...but we all know that is bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 1611/03/2013

It's just another freeper troll infestation on the DL.

Fuck off, OP and take your fellow-traveling witless wonders with you. We don't have any interest in your spam.

Oh....wait.. SPAM!

by Anonymousreply 1711/03/2013

Freepers and racists.




by Anonymousreply 1811/03/2013

The insurance companies have been hiking up premiums for years now. They're heartless bastards who will do anything for a profit. You all know this!

Neither the Affordable Care Act nor the Obama administration is responsible for the greedy actions of the insurance industry.

by Anonymousreply 2111/03/2013

No, R20, you're just an idiot. That's not Obama's fault.

by Anonymousreply 2211/03/2013

keep dreaming, r23.

by Anonymousreply 2411/04/2013

Thanks for the heads up R7. Golden Rule sent me the following letter about my bare-bones catastrophic health care insurance policy:

"Important Information about Health Care Reform and Your Health Insurance Coverage"

Three years ago, the Affordable Care Act (ACT) was signed into law. As a result, significant changes will take effect in 2014 and we want you to know how they will affect you.

The good news is that you can keep your coverage with us in 2014 and beyond as long as you continue to pay your premiums.

This allows you to secure the benefits you selected when you chose your health plan without any further ACA-compliant changes through December 30, 2014.

It gives you additional time to understand how the ACA will work.

We will provide you with more specific information during the third quarter of 2014 about any ACA-required changes to your plan after December 31, 2014.

We encourage you to keep your current coverage in force. While your premiums are not guaranteed to remain unchanged, they may be less than the anticipated higher premiums of new plans that include all of the ACA requirements.

Importantly, you are in control. You can keep your current health plan by continuing to pay your premiums as usual, or you can choose a new plan with the ACA requirements during any open enrollment period. Of course, we hope you'll choose to stay with us.

Golden Rule Insurance Company, Indianapolis

Amendment to Policy/Certificate:

Policy year means the 12 month period beginning at 12:01 am on December 31st of any year while the policy is in force and ending at 12:01 am on the following December 31st.

"CONFORMITY WITH FEDERAL LAW: The policy may be changed to conform with federal law, as required. Changes will be made as of the first day of the policy year, or another date specified by law or in an amendment to the policy.

by Anonymousreply 2611/04/2013

R23, I didn't realize that Watergate provided health insurance for millions of Americans who didn't have it previously.

by Anonymousreply 2711/04/2013

If your state set up a state exchange, you're probably good.

The people suffering are those who have to rely on the Federal exchange because they live in a Red state where the Republicans are trying to fuck them over and sabotage ObamaCare.

The blame all lies squarely on Republicans and the Insurance companies for any problems.

Quite stupidly blaming Obama and Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 2811/04/2013

[quote]Mine costs $150 a month for a 58 year old with no pre-existing conditions, and it has a $10,000 deductible, but only covers hospital expense - never any doctors visits or drugs, with just a few exceptions: such as chemotherapy and outpatient surgery.

What is the point of this kind of insurance? Does it cover a yearly physical or any dental?

by Anonymousreply 2911/04/2013

He basically gets to pay for the privilege of being uninsured.

That kind of rip-off policy is the kind of thing that's getting canceled. Because they don't meet even the most basic requirements of health insurance. They don't really insure you against anything.

by Anonymousreply 3011/04/2013

R31 = moron, parroting nonsense mindlessly.

by Anonymousreply 3211/04/2013

96 million americans is such a crazy made up number, troll at r31. at least try for *some* believability in your misinformation campaign.

by Anonymousreply 3511/04/2013

R29 - the point was to help if I got cancer, and I suppose some help with a stroke, heart attack, bad accident. Without any insurance at all, and having too much income to qualify for Medicaid or gov't help,

I'd have to lose everything I had - house, savings, etc., and even then, wouldn't qualify for Medicaid, as in my state, you must have minor children, no matter how poor you are, in order to qualify for Medicaid.

So say I got cancer, spent a few years being treated with chemo, the insurance would prevent losing everything I had.

America sucks. And if the Repubs repeal the new healthcare law, we'll be right back where we were, when people lost everything when they had a catastrophic illness or accident.

by Anonymousreply 3611/04/2013

You fucking freepers have NOTHING better to do than trawl the internet, posting lies about the Affordable Care Act?


by Anonymousreply 3711/04/2013

Oh, for fuck's sake.

These "plans" that are being cancelled are bullshit POS "insurance" in name only. Come on, a 58-year-old with a $150 a month plan that covers hospitalization and maybe chemotherapy? Does this idiot have any idea of what happens when one is diagnosed with cancer? Well, ring, ring, clue phone. If you end up in the hospital for even a few days, you're going to be billed for the doctors, the nurses, the specialists, the daily lab tests, the daily x-rays/ultrasounds/MRIs, drugs and whatever else. This fabulous plan will cover the cost of the room, which the hospital has a contract negotiated with the insurer for probably less than $100 a day. In the end, the "insured" is going to be billed hundreds of thousands of dollars. So basically, this idiot is paying $150 a month to save maybe a couple of thousand dollars off a half-million dollar health incident bill.

And this is exactly what Obamacare was designed to stop. It's criminal that our healthcare system bleeds people dry (forgive the pun) and one serious illness wipes out a lifetime of savings, and then some. When my father was diagnosed with colon cancer, we thanked man-in-sky my mother's insurance covered him. In the 14 months between diagnosis and his death, the care was over a million dollars. If they didn't have union-negotiated and guaranteed insurance, my mother would be living with my brother or myself today, broke, and so deeply in debt she would die before paying it off.

Did the President lie? I don't think so. I think he counted on insurance companies bringing policies up to par, probably based on talks he had with them. But who owns and runs the insurance companies? Oh, that's right, Pubbies like the fucking god-damn Koch brothers, owners of Cancer Centers of America along with a host of insurers and healthcare institutions. Just like the law was written to hold Medicaid money over the states' heads to get them to set up exchanges, only to have the most activist Supreme Court in the history of the nation say that mechanism was unconstitutional. Like we've never incentivized the states to agree to Federal policy... oh wait, the Feds routinely withhold highway transportation funds to force the states' hands on matters like the drinking age and speed limits. You know, stuff for the good of the poeple, like... health insurance. For the poor, working poor, and a level playing field for all.

So now we have insurance companies reneging on their agreements with and blaming the Administration, with the rightwing echo chamber going ballistic with the "HE LIED!" screed.

Well, you know what? I'll Barack Obama's "lie" that I can keep my insurance policy if I want, any day of the week over "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction." Really, which is worse: up to 10 million Americans being inconvenienced to look for new insurance, probably better coverage, at a lower cost that a comparable plan would cost today, or; 4,000+ dead Americans, tens of thousands maimed, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, at least $1.6 trillion in direct warfare costs, plus the $trillions coming in caring for wounded veterans?

Has this country lost its mind?

by Anonymousreply 3811/04/2013

R39, great post that says nothing. You're another freeper piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 4011/04/2013

Was on the plan the gov't offered for folks w/ pre-existing conditions before the marketplace came into being. Paid about $200 per month for 'normal' coverage. Live in a state that decided not to expand Medicaid, so no federal subsidy for me. Now being forced off the interim plan and told to buy from the marketplace instead. 'Coverage is comparable.' But premiums are double for half the coverage, and no subsidy is available even though I have no income. I know it's my state's fault, but it's a crock of shit regardless. I should be allowed to stay on the interim plan then.

by Anonymousreply 4211/04/2013

Here's what we're going to do, r43: send you back to school and get you in therapy for hysteria. There are 315 million Americans and about 155 million people in the workforce. Please show us your "conclusive " math.

by Anonymousreply 4411/04/2013

schooled by r44/ HA!

by Anonymousreply 4511/04/2013

I'm self-employed and able to keep my current plan; I'm still going to check out before my first quarter statement is due. I'm sure I can do better than my current policy. Perhaps I'll just be lazy and keep what I've got.

by Anonymousreply 4611/04/2013

I wonder if this all isn't the insurance industry getting their licks in? While the legislation was being developed, them agreeing to the principle of maintaining existing plans and then just tweaking them enough here and there to say "Oops, cancelled! Now we trade you up to our more profitable product.'s the law."

Remember this is the industry that produced the likes of Rick Scott, evil darklord Florida governor. And it's being driven by anecdotes from the states without local marketplaces, like Florida, Texas and the rest of Jesusland.

It's probably opportunism -- no different from the killing (literally) Halliburton, Northrup, etc. made off fucking up the Iraq War to get more money for fixing their own mistakes.

by Anonymousreply 4711/04/2013

No, R43.

Fox News said that 635 million Muricans lost their plans and almost 400 million people will be out of work.

Also, the plan only covers them there illegals, and welfare queens!

by Anonymousreply 4811/04/2013

r38 nails it to the cross. props.

by Anonymousreply 4911/04/2013

Was the original article intended to be serious, or was it from The Onion (or ZeroHedge, which is about the same)?

Because they lost me when they wrote "good-intentioned legislation".

by Anonymousreply 5111/04/2013

So..again. It was stated over and over that plans that do not meet the minimum requirement would be affected. The president didn't lie he just didn't qualify his statement that "as long as your plan is not a total rip off" part. That was explained though.

2 billion (according to faux news) americans who lost their healthcare because of Obama and his voodoo powers were paying for shit healthcare.

I was one of them. I had a plan I paid almost 200 a month for. It was cancelled. I went to and got a silver plan that covers, oh about 1000% more than what i was getting for 67 dollars more a month.

What gets me is the mainstream media is taking these non-stories and running with them. It's like they think faux news has it right.

by Anonymousreply 5311/04/2013

You're not paying attention, then, r52.

by Anonymousreply 5411/04/2013

hardly, r55.

by Anonymousreply 5611/04/2013

r58. If you own a home, you pay property taxes. And often some of those taxes are used for public education.

Even if you don't have a child.

That's just how this country rolls.

by Anonymousreply 5911/04/2013

by the way, there's a reason the OP didn't link to his source....

by Anonymousreply 6011/04/2013

like CHOICE whether to buy car insurance if you own a car, r58?

No that's the law, not a choice.

You a states' rights fan?

Think it's great that in some states, without federal intervention, black americans would still not be allowed to vote?

by Anonymousreply 6211/04/2013

[quote] When it comes to property taxes, you're paying the same amount in property taxes per square foot as you neighbor is.

Not in California

by Anonymousreply 6311/04/2013

Massachusetts isn't complaining.

Flame away.

by Anonymousreply 6511/04/2013

[quote]Yes, the hundreds of thousands of people who have posted online about losing their current insurance

Hundreds of thousands? Really?

by Anonymousreply 6811/04/2013

"wealth distribution" ?

You give yourself away with that one.

by Anonymousreply 6911/04/2013

Once again, R74, the article DOESN'T state what kind of plan the woman had in the first place.

[quote] Others are upset because they don’t want coverage for services they’ll never need or their doctors don’t participate in any of their new insurance options.

My Doctor stopped accepting my insurance almost 5 years ago, as have a lot of doctors who refuse to accept the lowball payments offered for their services paid by such plans as United Health Care and Aetna.

And PS: if you're part of a group plan offered through an employer, then you have already been paying for for services that you'll never need or use.

by Anonymousreply 7611/04/2013

Here are some basic facts:

Those with policies through their employers will continue to receive the same.

Some with private policies (usually inadquate coverage) will lose their policy and have to find a new one via the exchange- about 4% of those holding policies

States that set up their own exchanges accepting the Medicaid Federal provision are doing quite nicely- it is the states where state gov't rejected Medicaid and exhanges, where the only access for citizens is via the Federal exhange where the problems are at their worst.

My guess is that within a year, it will all settle out, red states will slowly be forced to accept the Medicaid provision and create their own exchanges. Going quite well in MA, NY State, CA that I know of.

by Anonymousreply 7811/04/2013

R77, I didn't label you a freeper. I labelled you an idiot.

How exactly does one opt out of health care? If you can't afford insurance, and you have a stroke, how will you refuse the care? And who will pay for that care?

If you propose that hospitals should be able to refuse care to the uninsured (and freeloaders), which they have never been able to do, those who can 'r afford care will do what - die? Get sicker? Infect others? Cost more to treat?

Before ACA, we were all paying about $1000/year on our premiums for the uninsured. My plan, which covers almost all expenses, costs me and my employer about $6000 a year.

Once Around the Garden is costing the rest of us a lot of money.

by Anonymousreply 8011/04/2013

i love r80

by Anonymousreply 8211/04/2013

i carry insurance for individuals, not a group plan and the letter i got from *my* insurance company was "if you are satisfied with your plan, nothing changes under the new ACA. it will continue as always."

so YOU fuck off, r81. you're the idiot

by Anonymousreply 8311/04/2013

[quote]I am only posting this thread because it shouldn't be considered out of line for people to get upset when they are being forced to pay for things they do not want or need.

Thanks for sharing, freeper shit-stain.

I don't want or need a stealth bomber. I am being forced to pay for one - actually more than one. I'm also paying for tanks I don't want or need - that don't serve any purpose and that even the Pentagon doesn't want or need.

Am I legally able to "opt out" of supporting the military? No. We have decided, as a nation, that all of our citizens benefit from the military and we will all pay for it.

Health care is no different. We have decided, as a nation, that all of our citizens benefit from having healthcare and we will all pay for it.

I'm not sending any children to school. My property taxes pay for it and I'm happy to contribute. I benefit from living in a country where we have an educated population. I can't imagine living in a nation where people can't read or write, or where only people with money have access to a basic education.

You anti-ACA people are a bunch of selfish, anti-American, total fucking retards, I swear to god.

by Anonymousreply 8711/04/2013

The fact that we, as democratic individuals, compromised and accepted the Republican version of universal healthcare, you'd think the freepers would be happy. But, typically freeper, they cannot deal with ANYTHING a aDemocartic President does, because they are shamelessly toxic people.

by Anonymousreply 8811/04/2013

keep trying concern troll, r89. 96% of people currently holding insurance are NOT affected by the ACA. only the 4% of individuals who held policies which were basically scams are affected.

now move along- free republic wants your posts, not the datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 9011/04/2013

[quote]Three years ago, the Affordable Care Act (ACT) was signed into law. As a result, significant changes will take effect in 2014 and we want you to know how they will affect you.

The good news is that you can keep your coverage with us in 2014 and beyond as long as you continue to pay your premiums.

This allows you to secure the benefits you selected when you chose your health plan without any further ACA-compliant changes through December 30, 2014.

This is important. The Insurance companies do not need to be cancelling anything right now. They are choosing to do so. Under the ACA insurers and the insured have all of 2014 to either find new insurance or the insurance companies can make these policies complaint.

None of the current cancellations are being forced by the ACA at this moment.

by Anonymousreply 9311/04/2013

BTW, it's the height of hypocrisy for one of the biggest liars on the planet (Mitt Romney) to call out Obama as any sort of liar.

Especially when Obama didn't lie.

[quote]I think the issue that even supporters of ACA in principle have is the dishonesty of being told that people could keep their existing coverage when it is now clear they can't, and than the mandate of everyone having to buy insurance implied that premiums would not rise so dramatically for those with existing policies.

I think you dont' even have an idea what the issue is.

Anyone on insurance CAN keep it. But Insurance companies cancel policies all the time, having nothing to do with ObamaCare. And the few that DO have to do with ObamaCare (because they don't meet the minimum coverages) are basically scams anyway -- customers paying to NOT be insured in any meaningful way.

ObamaCare isn't health-care. It's insurance reform. You don't "get ObamaCare". You get insurance through markeplaces set up by ObamaCare, with polices whose minimum coverages are set by ObamaCare.

by Anonymousreply 9511/04/2013

[quote]Two facts which disappoint supporters of true universal health care because it gives ammunition to the right-wing: 1) the website is a failure and 2) the administration sold the plan with lies.

The only problem with your post is that neither of these things is actually true.

[quote]We don't want to destroy it, just fix it so it works properly for everyone. Stop with the concern troll bullshit - the concern is real.

No, it's grossly overblown.

by Anonymousreply 9611/04/2013

R89, It's pointless to try to even reply anymore to this thread. It's being bombarded R83 (who is posting numerous times on here his opinion -clearing his cookies etc).

But what R83 also states is in one of his latest trolldar identities:

"the letter i got from *my* insurance company was "if you are satisfied with your plan, nothing changes under the new ACA. it will continue as always."

He/She is clearly NOT being effected by any of this and doesn't give a shit about people that ARE being effected and who feel that they were lied to.

by Anonymousreply 9711/04/2013

The better way is single payer, like Medicare, but the Repubs won't allow that. If they have any complaints about Obamacare, they're complaining about a Republican-designed system.

by Anonymousreply 10011/04/2013

now i love r95.

by Anonymousreply 10111/04/2013

bitch, like i even know how to clear a fucking cookie.

by Anonymousreply 10211/04/2013

The only problem with r75 et al. is irony impairment.

That and he doesn't get that ObamaCare only covers maternity so that more babies can be born to be unemployed as a result of ObamaCare. That the U.S. will be forced to annex Alberta, Saskatchewan and the Mexican state of Sonora in order to pay for it. That's just for starters.

by Anonymousreply 10311/05/2013

I'm R26 and I haven't deleted cookies and reposted the same thing over and over WTF?

I don't like the crap insurance I have but it was all I could afford at the time. I hope to get something else under Obamacare and I've tried more than once and can't get the website to work, and as soon as I can, I plan to get a new policy.

I don't understand the anger. I did get that letter! For all I know, it's a lie, but I got it. I feel I have to keep that crap insurance policy because I can't figure out how to sign up for Obamacare right now, and anyway, I don't think it would come into force till January even IF I could manage to get a policy on

I know I could call but I dread trying that, for fear of spending hours on hold, when the insurance won't be in effect till January but I may break down and go that route if the website isn't working pretty soon.

by Anonymousreply 10411/05/2013

Politicians (and military leaders) lie through their teeth. It's in their nature.

by Anonymousreply 10611/05/2013

R105, it's not a lie (sigh). How many times does it have to be explained to you?

by Anonymousreply 10711/05/2013

[quote] When he said, "PERIOD!" and kept saying, "PERIOD!" he knew it was a flat-out lie, his advisors knew it was a flat-out lie, and they knew it didn't matter

It isn't a lie. You have to take it in the context it was said. The context was in regards to people having to cancel their existing policies and buy insurance through Obamacare.

Here's an example. My office closed and all the employees were all told that we would keep our jobs but be moved to other offices. We all moved to other offices and then company went out of business. But remember, the company told me I would keep my job. Can I sue them for breaking their promise? NO, because at the time they were saying it and in the context they were saying it in, it was true. They were not promising that I would have that job for the rest of my life. They were not promising that no matter what occurs in this world that I would always have that job. You can understand this? right?

You have to know that no one (including the president) can force a company to sell a product they don't want to (such as an insurance plan). These insurance companies chose to cancel these plans. These people were and are NOT being forced to cancel their insurance and get insurance through the Obamacare exchange

by Anonymousreply 11011/06/2013

[quote]Two facts which disappoint supporters of true universal health care because it gives ammunition to the right-wing: 1) the website is a failure and 2) the administration sold the plan with lies. We don't want to destroy it, just fix it so it works properly for everyone. Stop with the concern troll bullshit - the concern is real.

Of course it is, dear. If only people would listen to YOU and do things YOUR way, everything would be soooooo much better! You support healthcare for everyone, of COURSE you do. You just want to fix it and do it the right way.

Look at this:

by Anonymousreply 11111/06/2013

This says it all about the idiots whining that Obama "lied":

by Anonymousreply 11211/06/2013

The website is NOT a "failure". It has problems and issues which will be fixed, but a huge number of people have been able to sign up successfully.

Most major new sites have issues. True, not as bad as this, but most major new sites aren't nearly as complicated as this one.

And look at the reality: If a state hadn't tried to sabotage ObamaCare or reject it, and had set up their own state exchange (like in NY and CA), people wouldn't be hammering this Federal site. This Federal site is the *BACK UP* to the state exchanges, for those states that didn't bother to implement one.

Blame your state legislators... nearly all Republicans, I might add... they're the idiots who caused this problem for you, not Obama.

by Anonymousreply 11311/06/2013

Jon Stewart explains it all.

by Anonymousreply 11411/06/2013


by Anonymousreply 11511/06/2013

good one, r115.

Now, OP, if you are still here, your response to Jon Stewart on this ?

by Anonymousreply 11611/06/2013

If I was trying to promote a major program that half the population was dead set against I would try to make the program as appealing as possible. The Obama Administration ineptness is doing more to destroy the Affordable Care Act than anything the GOP could come up with.

by Anonymousreply 11811/06/2013

r119, r118, r117 -- did you watch the Jon Stewart video?

by Anonymousreply 12011/06/2013

R117 couldn't be more ignorant and misinformed.

by Anonymousreply 12111/06/2013

R122 is living in a delusional bubble... the same one that had idiots like him convinced Romney was an easy win over Obama.

by Anonymousreply 12411/09/2013

R126 is retarded.

by Anonymousreply 12711/09/2013

[quote]Republican President - 2016 or before if this "President" is impeached

Before 2016?? Say for instance Obama were to be impeached (and exactly what high crime or misdemeanor was committed by him?). Joe Biden would then become president and serve out Obama's term. Do you even understand how the constitution works?

by Anonymousreply 13011/09/2013


Facts are evil, and are only used by terrorists.

by Anonymousreply 13211/09/2013

R128. nice parroting of FOX News propaganda there, but those aren't facts.

Oh, and for the record, Impeachment doesn't mean the President resigns from office. Clinton was impeached, remember. God, such idiots in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 13311/09/2013

[quote] Say for instance Obama were to be impeached (and exactly what high crime or misdemeanor was committed by him?

Being black.

by Anonymousreply 13411/09/2013

If Bush had killed Obama, he'd have been canonized and enshrined in glory by the media. What the fuck are you smoking?

by Anonymousreply 13611/09/2013

Errr... Osama.

by Anonymousreply 13711/09/2013

[quote]The media has been on bended knee with this administration from the beginning.

Does the ACA cover dementia care?

by Anonymousreply 13911/10/2013

Yeah, you'd almost think there haven't been nightly headlines about the Obamacare "disaster" on every news outlet since October 1.

As for me, I've benefited from Obamacare. Much better coverage with lower premium. My only fear is that the Fox News cabal will get it overturned before my new plan is set to take effect on Jan 1.

by Anonymousreply 14011/10/2013

True freedom is paying more for less while complaining with brilliant originality that politicians are often dishonest and manipulative.

It's our genius as Americans.

by Anonymousreply 14211/10/2013

wow- this is some epic trolling.

go home freepers!

by Anonymousreply 14311/10/2013

except for the reality that the ACA is ALREADY controlling medical costs, and that actually does benefit we, the people.

and comparing obama to bush, is comparing getting pickpocketed to being shoot dead in the course of a robbery. yup, both are crimes, but the severity? NOT FUCKING COMPARABLE.

by Anonymousreply 14811/11/2013

Pelosi passed a public option and the Senate rejected it. The bill looked dead so she opted to hurry up and just agree with the Senate bill. It's doubtful Obama could have gotten any more than he did, though he gave the Repubs too much credit by allowing too long a negotiation over it in the Senate -- though again, not sure he could have controlled the situation, with the propaganda machine the Repubs launched and maintained against the bill - death panels and all that malarkey.

by Anonymousreply 14911/11/2013

Freeper gets chased out of two other Obamacare threads, has to revive another old one. Still spreading lies though.

by Anonymousreply 15011/11/2013

trying to. and insisting it is not a freeper.

i am prepared to believe our "bay area so poor we are eating beans" ACA complainer, is in fact, NOT a freeper, but i will say he is an idiot.

Upset that his AWFUL coverage is ending and he has to pay for a health plan that will in fact cover a TON of stuff he has been not before been covered.

he'd rather pay for a CRAP plan that will pretty much guarantee he won't be able to even afford canned beans if he gets seriously sick. so WE, the taxpayers from other states get to pay for his costs and eventual bankruptcy. no thanks you selfish short-sighted asshole.

by Anonymousreply 15111/11/2013

I am talking to YOU, r146.

Your plan that you are bemoaning losing is CRAP, just like the words you spew.

by Anonymousreply 15211/11/2013

I'm happy, my policy will remain the same...ACA compliant. It's a real policy though.

I think the complainers are uninformed with shit policies, and just want to whine about something and be disrespectful to the President.

by Anonymousreply 15311/11/2013

r154, why don't you check out the exchange to see if you get a better deal?

It's interesting that you blame Obama, who at least has intentions to make your costs lower and your coverage broader. And yet, you have no word for your wishy-washy insurance company, that can't decide if they should cover you or not. And you give a free pass to the insurance industry, which has shown nothing but contempt for consumers.

I highly doubt this letter, conveniently delivered just yesterday, even exists.

by Anonymousreply 15511/11/2013

Exactly, r155, the complainers are trolls.

I've been self-employed for over ten years, and have had the same policy the whole time. My insurer contacted me with asking me to please stay with them, as they are ACA compliant.

by Anonymousreply 15611/11/2013

Exactly. What Potus SHOULD have said, for all these whiny complainers, was:

"If you like your health care plan, and it's at least adequate, you can keep your health care plan. If it is a CRAPPY horrible plan, you can choose a much better one from the ACA exchange."

by Anonymousreply 15711/11/2013

You are in fine shape, re coverage, r158. Why are you complaining?

Oh, that's right -- a quick check of troll-dar and it's clear you can't stand the current president.


by Anonymousreply 15911/11/2013

....interesting that the beans-eating bay area anti-Obama poster is also the 'die in a grease fire' asshole....

by Anonymousreply 16111/11/2013

too scared to post on this thread again, eh, r146?

by Anonymousreply 16211/11/2013

So you maybe started a new one?

by Anonymousreply 16311/11/2013

if you are eating beans, you are eligible for a subsidy. our little freeperina troll is a LYING LIAR.

by Anonymousreply 16411/11/2013

racist beaneating troll alert:

[quote]And most of the people who are poor are definitely of the Latino/Black variety, many are getting SNAP (aka food stamps), section 8, but there's a lot not getting welfare.

by Anonymousreply 16611/15/2013

An Obamacare "Loser" Speaks Out ... About Not Being an Entitled Douche

by Anonymousreply 16911/15/2013

You are. And I bet you are one of those "it's costing the city of SF taxpayers too much" for today's Batkid dealio too.

by Anonymousreply 17111/15/2013

President Obama said you could keep your health care plan.  He never said your insurance company promised to keep you.

by Anonymousreply 17411/15/2013

Blah blah blah blah blah OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST! blah blah blah blah blah I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW INSURANCE WORKS! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah FREEDOM! blah blah MATERNITY! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah REPEAL! blh blah blah blah blah blah blah POLL! blah blah MY COUSIN'S NEIGHBOR'S WIFE! blah blah blah blah TAXES! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I WILL NEVER GET SERIOUSLY ILL! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST!

by Anonymousreply 17611/15/2013

That's not going to work r177. 20-somethings can't even talk on the phone at work; they're not going to be assed to do it on their own time.

by Anonymousreply 17811/15/2013

I wonder how much the insurance industry pays these idiots to spew disinformation on the internet.

by Anonymousreply 18011/15/2013

Oh no! You caught me with an insurance check in hand! Damn you. Of course your POV is so important (as, of course, by extension, you) that anyone who might demur must be paid off by conglomerates. Who, by the way, are fully onboard with the huge new profits promised by Godbama's ACA fiasco. But that's factual, and your

Tin foil hat slipping.

by Anonymousreply 18111/15/2013

R182, you're a fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 18311/15/2013

[182] Deep and pithy reply. Adjust tin foil hat, Have another drink, turn off Mom's dialup modem, get out of the basement and read a newspaper or text book . Calling everyone a moron who disagrees with you? So witty.

By the way, Chomsky came out against it...what more can one say?

On the positive side, and I'm nothing if not an optimist: there's still time to enroll in community college. You're never to old to learn to think for yourself. There are other words in the 'M' section of the dictionary than moron.

by Anonymousreply 18411/15/2013

I liked what I read previously about how as a nation, we collectively decide to buy aircraft carriers, and share the cost; just as we fund public schools; pay for AIDS research; and a million other things, even if each and every one of us doesn't personally benefit from, or individually agree with, each and every expense. That's the only way a Democracy can work.

Please don't whine about how you don't want to pay for maternity care, or substance abuse treatment, or whatever, because you don't see yourself having those expenses. I'm sure there are many others who don't want to fund AIDS research, or whatever you might benefit from. That is what we've decided to do as a country, so suck it up.

by Anonymousreply 18511/16/2013

trolldar r168 r181 r184. accuses the other posters of wearing a tinfoill hat for saying he is a paid freeper shill. he doesn't appear in any other threads about gossip, or guys presenting or soap threads or anywhere, just here. the very definition of a freeper shill.

you can attempt to spread all the misinformation you want, but the american people know: at least obama *tried* to do something; all you people did was block it at every turn. you think your money and your cheating and your propaganda will keep you in power, but i have news for you: you are history. whether this happens today or tomorrow or 10 years from now, progress will not denied.

by Anonymousreply 18611/16/2013


by Anonymousreply 18711/16/2013

Do any of you have insurance at work?

In all my years of employment, my health insurance has covered maternity benefits, mental health benefits, etc. That is what comprehensive coverage is all about.

I have also worked in hospital reimbursement for 30+ years. It is shocking the number of people who come to the hospital for care and have "insurance plans" that do not cover basic hospitalization. Plus you have the idiots who think that a plan that pays $100/day for hospital care is "insurance". These people have no idea what "insurance" is. The costs of their care have to be written off to bad debt and charity, which is just a nice way of saying that the costs will be transferred to those who have real insurance in the form of higher premiums when next years rates are negotiated.

by Anonymousreply 18911/22/2013

The entire progress of the ACA is going pretty much exactly according to plan. Did y'all think Obama wuz stupid, or whut? He knows he can ride out the noise.

by Anonymousreply 19011/22/2013

[quote]At least my failure didn't condemn millions to high priced poor quality health care!

Neither did, or will, Obama's, but hey, you just keep beating that dead horse all you want.

[quote]Strange accusations here, because the only president and WH staff caught paying off and hustling the agenda with journos and gaming the American people, is...Obama

You do realize that this statement is not only false, it's really, really stupid, right? Just checking.

by Anonymousreply 19111/22/2013

When conservatives came up with it, the individual mandate was about personal responsibility. When Obama passes it, its "government control"

by Anonymousreply 19211/22/2013
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