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What is going on here? Are insurance companies cancelling coverage to derail Obamacare?

Before the Affordable Care Act became law in 2010, President Obama promised Americans they could keep their healthcare plan if they liked it. But already hundreds of thousands of citizens are receiving notification that their plans are being cancelled because they don't comply with the new law, and, according to NBC News, the Obama administration has known for at least three years the cancellations were coming.

While campaigning for health care reform in 2009, Obama went out of his way to make one thing perfectly clear: if you like your current health care plan, you will be able to keep it.

On June 15, 2009, Obama said this: "We will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period.”

In 2012, he echoed that sentiment, saying, "“If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

However, many are finding that not to be the case. More than 300,000 cancellation notices have been sent out in Florida, according to Kaiser Health News, and another 180,000 in California. In New Jersey, the number of cancellations tops 800,000, the Star-Ledger reports.

According to NBC News, approximately 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million Americans who buy their health insurance individually should expect to receive a cancellation letter over the next year "because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law."

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So how did the Obama administration know the cancellations would be coming?

The Affordable Care Act states that people who had health insurance prior to March 23, 2010 – the day President Obama signed the bill into law – will be able to keep those policies even if they don't meet the requirements of the new law. However, the Department of Health and Human Services tightened that provision, so that "if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered," NBC News reports.

Because the market for individual insurance experiences significant turnover, the insinuation is the Obama administration had to have known many policies "grandfathered" in would not qualify for the ACA. NBC News claims that the administration knew in 2010 that "more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them."

“This says that when they made the promise [that individuals could keep their plans], they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” Robert Laszewski of Health Policy and Strategy Associates told NBC News.

Monday, former Obama adviser David Axelrod said on MSNBC's Morning Joe that "most people are going to keep their own plan." When asked about Axelrod's admission of "most" as opposed to all, White House spokesman Jay Carney acknowledge that some individual's plans will be cancelled, but countered that the plans they switch to will be better and affordable.

"What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage," Carney said. "… So it's true that there are existing health-care plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act."

Actually, what the President said back in 2009 was "[the Affordable Care Act] is for people who aren’t happy with their current plan. If you like what you’re getting, keep it. Nobody is forcing you to shift."

Only now, some who like their plans are being forced, including Laszewski. According to NBC News, he has a so-called "Cadillac plan" – "the best

by Anonymousreply 35301/09/2014

Yahoo is a totally right wing website. Read the comments by the people who post there. DISGUSTING!

by Anonymousreply 110/28/2013

Why would they want to derail the plan? If it works they are will all be gaining customers with the government footing the bill or part of the bill.

They have everything to gain.

by Anonymousreply 210/28/2013

They're cancelling the policies because they don't meet the minimum ACA requirements-- which is another way of saying they were probably shitty, overpriced crap to start with.

by Anonymousreply 310/28/2013

what are the minimum ACA requirements

by Anonymousreply 410/28/2013


But to answer OP's question: yes. Part of the negotiation when the law was being written was that existing plans were supposed to be brought into compliance, but the insurers are canceling these plans that are too sweet. We've seen numerous examples posted by freepers and even paid trolls bemoaning the loss of their too-cheap for the market policies. To which I say, suck it. The people with these cheap policies are only a step above the uninsured, and while they at least have this much, it's not adequate for proper care. For example, I have a young friend who will not go to the doctor unless he is very ill. He says the co-pay is too high, his insurance covers almost no tests, and he still hasn't paid off the last time he went to the doctor over two years ago.

As a society, we're going to see great benefits from Obamacare, not the least of which is better health for everyone. Preventative care is so much cheaper than onset care, and it extends lives.

by Anonymousreply 510/28/2013

They will do anything they can to derail it but it will happen and people will eventually be able to get their insurance.

by Anonymousreply 610/28/2013


As much as I hope what you say is true, if I could ever sign up to find out if I can afford anything other than a bronze plan which is identical to the crappy plan I have right now except the no more pre existing conditions. The annual out of pocket is $6400 which is one reason I go without the care I need. All of the bronze plans by the companies in my area all have the same $6400 annual out of pocket.

by Anonymousreply 710/28/2013

i was sent a letter by my insurance company saying if i was happy with my plan, nothing would change, just like the president said.

take that, concern troll.

by Anonymousreply 810/28/2013

r8, and the name of your insurance carrier is?

by Anonymousreply 910/29/2013

United Healthcare and Oxford has cancelled multi-thousand policies.

by Anonymousreply 1010/29/2013


by Anonymousreply 1110/29/2013

I have Assurant Health, and I got a letter like R8 did -- it said my plan meets all the requirements of Obamacare and I can keep it as is.

by Anonymousreply 1210/29/2013

Which is par for the course

by Anonymousreply 1310/29/2013

So someone is just trying to pretend that Obamacare will destroy their existing coverage?

by Anonymousreply 1410/29/2013

Um. DUH!

by Anonymousreply 1510/29/2013

"some individual's plans will be cancelled, but countered that the plans they switch to will be better and affordable."

Either this is correct, in which case, there's no problem.

Or it isn't, in which case, there is.

Instead of a real look at whether this is or isn't true, and whether or not there really is a concern over the shifting of some plans, we will now be bombarded with the media telling us that Obama lied when he said no one would have to switch plans and that the bill sucks.

Welcome to my country.

by Anonymousreply 1610/29/2013

I get to keep the same plan I have from my employer as well. While it is the same plan, vui United Health Care, which has always covered pre-existing conditions and everything else required by the ACA, unfortunately my EMPLOYER has now decided to institute a deductible before the coverage kicks in, even using in-network providers, and has raised the co-pay by $10 for rimary care and specialist visits.

by Anonymousreply 1710/29/2013

r1, would you say NBC is a right-wing organization? Yesterday they reported the same information OP posted.

by Anonymousreply 1810/29/2013

The comments are ridiculous, which shows most freepers have a lot of free time.

One person said that their yearly premiums would be 16K for a family of 4 and that was 25% of their gross income. Umm no

that would mean they make 64k and would not pay more than 8.6 of their gross income or 5600 a year - something like 426 a month for a silver plan.

by Anonymousreply 1910/29/2013

The networks have reported that selecting the web designer for ACA was non-bid.

The Canadian company selected is headed by a college friend of Michelle Obama with a history of web design problems.

by Anonymousreply 2010/29/2013

Bullshit, r20. They are using a company George Bush used previously.

by Anonymousreply 2110/29/2013

Obamacare is going to ruin healthcare in this country.

by Anonymousreply 2210/29/2013

r22 is a bot.

by Anonymousreply 2310/29/2013

R23 is an idiot

by Anonymousreply 2410/29/2013

My insurance hasn't changed, got a letter in September stating that they were ACA compliant and hoped that I would stay with them. End of story.

by Anonymousreply 2510/29/2013

[quote] United Healthcare and Oxford has cancelled multi-thousand policies.

My United Healtcare policy was made ACA compliant, no cancellation, just a letter begging me to stay...

by Anonymousreply 2610/29/2013

Well if the losers here on DL say they are keeping their insurance....why is anyone worried? HAHAHAHAHA

by Anonymousreply 2710/29/2013

I have noticed that NBC nightly news has been running some very rightwing news stories. What's going on?

by Anonymousreply 2810/29/2013

[bold] CBS News’ Misleading Obamacare Report: Woman’s Plan Paid $50 Per Service, Doesn’t Cover Hospitalization [/bold]

Not content with a website that performs like a Yugo with sugar in its gas tank, the mainstream media has continued to broadcast misleading, deliberately incomplete, and one-sided reports on the effects of the Affordable Care Act on consumers. The latest champion of the form is CBS News’ Jan Crawford, whose report on 56 year-old Dianne Barrette of Florida has become a North Star for those seeking to undercut the health care law by claiming that her premium increased tenfold under Obamacare, without disclosing that what Ms. Barrette was paying $54 a month for barely qualifies as insurance.

On CBS This Morning, Crawford reported that 56-year-old Dianne Barrette received a letter last month “from Blue Cross Blue Shield, informing her that as of January 2014, she would lose her current plan. She pays $54 a month. The new plan she’s being offered would run $591 a month, ten times more than what she currently pays.”

“What I have right now is what I’m happy with,” Barrette says in the report, “and I just want to know why I can’t keep what I have. Why do I have to be forced into something else.”

There are very good answers to her questions, answers which Crawford, either deliberately or through ignorance, failed to report, answers which are available to anyone with a passing familiarity with health insurance.

First of all, the plan that Barrette paid $54 a month for is barely health insurance at all. It’s part of a subset of insurance that Consumer Reports calls “junk health insurance” (and which even the company that sells it recommends that customers not rely solely upon) and it pays only $50 towards most of the services it covers. That’s it. If Dianne went to the doctor every week for a year, her plan would pay, at most, $2600. Meanwhile, based on average office visit charges, Diane would pay about $5,600.00. She probably doesn’t go to the doctor every week, of course, which means her plan pays a lot less, while her premium buys her a lot less. If she goes to the doctor, say, six times in a year, she’s paid a $648 premium for the privilege of spending another $600 on office visits. The plan also pays up to $15 per prescription, which will get you a few milligrams of most prescription drugs. The one decent deal on her plan is that it covers 100% of in-network lab services.

But many people just want the peace of mind to know that if something really bad happens, they won’t have to worry about being billed into the poorhouse. What if the worst happens, and Dianne needs to be hospitalized due to sudden illness or injury? Well, unless Dianne is suffering complications due to pregnancy, her plan covers nothing. If she’s having complications from pregnancy, it covers fifty bucks. It’s entirely possible that now-healthy Dianne is “happy” with this plan, but the whole idea behind the Affordable Care Act is that the rest of us are not happy having to pick up the tab if Dianne gets a disease, has an accident, or otherwise needs to go to the hospital. Frankly, though, Dianne would be better off saving that $648 and negotiating her office visits on her own.

The plan that Crawford compares Dianne’s junk insurance with (even BCBSFL recommends that customers not rely solely on GoBlue plans), on the other hand, is probably not the best deal available for the money if you’re planning fairly regular doctor visits, but it’s just one of many plans the company offers in that price range. It has a $6,250 deductible that applies to most services (the law requires routine care to be covered at 100%) before the plan pays. However, there’s a cheaper plan ($547/mo.) that covers the first 3 office visits per year at 100%, with a $40 copay after that. BCBSFL offers nine other plans cheaper than the one suggested in Dianne’s letter.

Like all Obamacare plans, of course, any plan Dianne chooses will have an out-of-pocket maximum of $6,350, versus the current $infinity that her plan offers.

by Anonymousreply 2910/29/2013


Additionally, Crawford reports that Dianne “is eligible for some subsidies,” but “she has no idea what the subsidies would be because, of course, guess what, she can’t log on the website.”

Of course, Crawfod must know that you don’t have to log in to to get an “idea” of what the subsidies would be. If Dianne makes about $17,000 a year, in fact, she’d pay exactly what she did for that junk insurance, but even if she makes Florida’s princely median income, her premium would be a much more reasonable $332.50/mo. If Crawford had wanted to, she could have provided an accurate estimate of Dianne’s actual premium.

But how, you may ask, was Jan Crawford supposed to know the details of the GoBlue plan 91 that Dianne was on before, and the new BlueOptions Essential (HSA) 1419 plan she’s being offered? She could start by watching her own report, and its unredacted copy of Dianne’s letter: (graphic @ link)

That and Google would have produced valuable information for Crawford’s viewers, information which might not have served the mainstream media narrative of the moment, but which would have cast Dianne’s predicament in a drastically different light. She’s basically complaining that a new car costs more than her old shoes. There’s a decent chance that Dianne Barett doesn’t even know what her current plan does or does not cover, but it’s not her job to inform the public, it’s Crawford’s. Now that her fake nightmare scenario has made the jump to the White House briefing room, it is absolutely essential that CBS News correct this misleading reporting.

Update: As I suspected, Dianne Barrette has no idea what her plan covers, and her actual premium under Obamacare would be about a third what CBS reported. She tells the Erik Wemple Blog that her plan has a “$50 copay,” when in reality, that’s the amount her plan will pay toward an office visit (she’s responsible for the rest), she says it provides “outpatient only” hospital care, but the plan only covers $50 of a very narrow set of outpatient services (mammography, osteoporosis screening, diabetes self-management, and complications from pregnancy).

She also told Wemple that she makes around $30,000 a year, which would put her Obamacare premium at about $209/mo. That’s for a plan that is literally infinitely better than what she had.

Wemple also reports that Dianne will soon be appearing on three Fox News programs.

by Anonymousreply 3010/29/2013

Perhaps R28 NBC is finally waking up.

by Anonymousreply 3110/29/2013

I don't have insurance and was thinking of getting it this Fall during open enrollment. But I got a letter with general information, and it said "If this box is checked, the coverage meets the minimum value standard, and the cost to you is intended to be affordable".

It's not checked.

I think I will skip insurance for 2014 and hope for the best. Pay the $95 penalty fee in the Spring of '15 out of my tax return or something.

by Anonymousreply 3210/29/2013

[quote] Pay the $95 penalty fee in the Spring of '15 out of my tax return or something.

That's how you will pay it. It will be taken out of your refund automatically.

by Anonymousreply 3310/29/2013

R31 is a paid shill. They only post on threads about the ACA. Wait that's not true, they also posted some anti-gay rhetoric on another thread. Maybe they're just a lonely Tea Bagger.

by Anonymousreply 3410/29/2013

Again, if they are paid, they are not earning their money.

Talk about obvious, unimaginative trolling!

by Anonymousreply 3510/29/2013

The ACA was set-up for under 35s to sign up underwriting the system, except that they don't think they'll get sick and would rather pay the penalty. A penalty which will be increased year-after-year, but still cheaper than insurance. This is already backfiring in Obama's face.

by Anonymousreply 3610/29/2013

you wish, r36.

by Anonymousreply 3710/29/2013


by Anonymousreply 3810/29/2013

r38, I hope you read the letter Michelle Malkin received from her insurer.

by Anonymousreply 3910/29/2013

[bold] Obama’s ‘You Can Keep Your Plan’ Failed To Anticipate How Much Americans Love Cheap Crappy Plans That Cover Nothing [/bold]

OMG you guys! Did you hear that under Obamacare, everybody is losing all their insurance and has to buy new insurance that costs a million times more and it is bad? Why did Obama lie to us and tell us that if we liked our plan we can keep our plan, when he knew, HE KNEW!!!! that a lot of Americans have really shitty insurance that only pretends to be “insurance,” but is cheap? THAT insurance is going away now, because socialist commie Obamacare won’t allow insurance companies to sell plans with enormous deductibles and very little coverage. If we want to keep our terrible shitty insurance, we can’t keep it now, because insurance companies are being forced to stop their bait and switch games. BUT WE LIKED THE BAIT, WAAAAAH! Why do you lie so much, Obama?

Tommy Christopher at Mediaite has been all over the misleading coverage of the ACA rollout; the “Obama Promised Nothing Would Ever Change” story has actually gotten loud enough that even the rightwing Newsbusters website is acknowledging that Obamacare is not the only reason that some people’s policies are changing.

And for what is already a very slim slice of the private insurance market — people covered by what Consumer Reports calls “junk insurance” — some insurers are just plain pulling those plans even though technically they were “grandfathered in.” Holders of shitty plans can keep them, but only if the insurance companies choose to continue selling them. But since they can’t sell new policies in those crappy plans, it makes more sense for the companies to discontinue them altogether, a detail that gets left out of most coverage.

Still, this is a bit of an unforced error for Team Obama — instead of the unqualified “if you like your insurance plan, your doctor, or both, you will be able to keep them,” it probably would have been better to have added “if your insurance doesn’t cover essentials like hospitalization, we’ll help you get on a plan that does while still being affordable.” But the narrative du jour now takes that “you can keep your plan” and turns it into “Obama lied, because insurance companies are cancelling our shitty plans!”

For instance, one CBS story looked at a Florida woman, Dianne Barrette, whose $54/month plan is going to be cancelled, but failed to point out that it pays just $50 of most of the services it covers, and it doesn’t cover many. Office visit at $125, the plan pays $50 and Barrette pays $75. Any higher costs for the few services it covers — complications from pregnancy, for instance — and she’s on the hook for everything over $50. It doesn’t cover a single bit of inpatient hospitalization. So basically, Barrette had a plan that allowed her to pay $648 a year for the privilege of going broke a little more slowly in a healthcare emergency. The policy issuer doesn’t even recommend that people rely on it as their main form of insurance.

To make matters worse, the insurance company’s letter informing her that the plan would be discontinued recommends a replacement, at $591 a month, that is far more expensive than many plans available on the exchange — Christopher estimates that with the ACA’s subsidy, her actual cost for a basic plan would come to around $209 a month. But none of that got reported by CBS, and now, Dianne Barrette has three interviews lined up with Fox News. And to add to the fun, Barrette doesn’t even seem to know what her plan covers. It actually pays $50 toward the limited services it covers, but she told WaPo’s Erik Wemple that the plan has a “$50 co-pay,” which is exactly the opposite of reality.

Expect to see a lot of rightwing crying about how mean old Obama won’t let people keep their seriously shitty “insurance.” Which didn’t really insure a hell of a lot, but was cheap. Damn you for lying about this, Barack Obama. We were perfectly happy shitting in a bucket, and now you want to force us to buy an indoor toilet? Tyranny!

by Anonymousreply 4010/29/2013

I just looked into it for Ohio- I can get a gold plan ppo or hmo for 237 a subsidy which is better than my work offered plan of HDHP with a monthly pre-tax of 109.

by Anonymousreply 4110/29/2013

This "health care" bill has always been about the insurance companies trying to make up for lost revenues due to the fact that so many people have become unemployed or under-employed and premiums are no longer being paid on their behalf as an employment benefit. When you realize that the only people who have really good health plans are government employees then you see how much the health insurance companies have lost in recent years.

by Anonymousreply 4210/29/2013

I'm on COBRA, $355 per month. I haven't heard a word from my insurance company, for better or worse. I'm worried.

by Anonymousreply 4310/29/2013

So now the Obama administration is calling them a transition. LOL

Get it? They are NOT cancellations.... they're transitions

by Anonymousreply 4410/29/2013

r44 is a sheeple shill.

by Anonymousreply 4510/29/2013

OH, and it was a pure pleasure watching Howard Fineman trying to spin this....

Well, in private circles, the Obama adiministration will admit that the promise (if you like your ins, you can keep it) was misleading.

Golly, ya think, Howard?

by Anonymousreply 4610/29/2013

I have been posting here for months telling you this. Our plan (2 adults) went from $399 unlimited dr visits and in 2014 it will be $765 MIN for 3 dr visits in TOTAL for both of us at $60 per visit. Previously it was $30 per visit. This is on the awful pays shit Bronze plans.

There's silver which might get us more visits but that is $1000 a month. We are STRETCHED as it is our income is $68k & we live in the Bay Area where food/COL/Mtg are HIGH. As it is we're eating beans night after night.

We are in big financial trouble with this health insurance bs.

by Anonymousreply 4710/29/2013

There are a lot of added things in obamacare that were not included in many of the original insurance policies. So the policies that don't comply are being cancelled. Obama new this several years ago and that was his plan all along.

by Anonymousreply 4810/29/2013

r47 I am confused.

if I go to covered California and put in your data I see the platinum plan is 965 a month

Silver is 695, 45 co pay for office visits.

by Anonymousreply 4910/29/2013

I can't keep my existing plan coz my asshole company changed all our health plans. My deductible per year is now $8000. And I pay 20% per doc visit instead of $15 copay. And of course pur premium went through the roof. Universal healthcare now?

by Anonymousreply 5010/29/2013

r50 mine did pretty much the same thing - we have one plan now the HDHP and it costs me more than my old plan.

by Anonymousreply 5110/29/2013

The insurance companies don't have to derail Obamacare. It is happening all by itself.

Debacle of the highest order.

I guess Freepers are defined as people who are informed and dare question this train wreck of a law and administration.

by Anonymousreply 5210/29/2013

So how is it Obama's fault that your company decided to screw you, R50? I suppose next we'll blame Obama for Watergate, Vietnam, WWII... well, just about everything! Did you all fall off the turnip truck the day you found out your insurance plan was changing? I've bought insurance for myself and my partner for nearly 20 years, and our plan has either changed or gotten more expensive every year (until last year when Blue Cross realized that there was real competition coming and if they hoped to keep us, they'd better try early). Nevertheless, we're cutting our insurance expense by 50% as of January 1, and keeping the same plan features with minor tweaks. Thanks, Obamacare!

But really, do you expect us to believe that you situation is just perfectly located in that sweet spot between getting a subsidy (the income level is just a few thousand over the cutoff) and that you're restricted to 3 doctor visits a year? Ok, link to the plan. I want to see the details... or I call bullshit.

And to our damn proud Freeper, please go crawl back under the rock where you belong. If you think that this is a train wreck of a law and administration, you obviously weren't alive between 2001 and 2009, either that or your lack of even a basic awareness of what a real train wreck of an administration looks like reveals you for the idiot that you are.

by Anonymousreply 5310/29/2013

hold me, Huma

by Anonymousreply 5410/29/2013

This thread illustrates very well how deeply the Believers are entwined in this Jonestown of an administration. If was ONLY a train wreck ...

by Anonymousreply 5510/29/2013

[quote]. If was ONLY a train wreck ...


by Anonymousreply 5610/29/2013

the stench of troll is high in this thread. r55 is but one of many.

by Anonymousreply 5710/30/2013

[bold] The Affordable Care Act’s Lower-Than-Projected Premiums Will Save $190 Billion [/bold]

by Anonymousreply 5810/30/2013


We don't like them

by Anonymousreply 5910/30/2013


by Anonymousreply 6010/30/2013

[quote]We are STRETCHED as it is our income is $68k & we live in the Bay Area where food/COL/Mtg are HIGH.

Then MOVE!

by Anonymousreply 6110/30/2013


How can you afford to live in the Bay Area in the first place????

by Anonymousreply 6210/30/2013

seriously rent in the bay area for a shitty place is 2000 a month.

by Anonymousreply 6310/30/2013

I'm the one who was on COBRA- I've been on it for five months. Today is 11/2. Got a letter in the mail, dated 10/31, that my medical plan is being terminated as of 10/31. The only reason they gave was a code: ENROLLED SUB PLANS ENDED. Those bastards didn't even give me time to refill my asthma prescriptions.

They said that if I wanted I could convert to another plan, and that they enclosed a summary of benefits for each plan... except they didn't enclose any info on any other plans. So on Monday I'm going to be scrambling to get coverage.

It was great insurance. It was an HMO, and I specifically chose it because it gave 100% coverage for hematology/oncology products. I have chronic ITP and anemia, so that's what I need the most coverage on.

The good news is that I do have a job now, but I've only been there six weeks, so I don't know when I qualify for benefits. That's the only thing giving me hope right now, or I would be totally fucked.

by Anonymousreply 6411/02/2013

the good thing is you can't be denied care now, r64. i too have a prexisting condition and i lived in fear for years that my insurance would be cancelled and i would be left with nothing. now at least i know if i am cancelled for some reason, i can get it elsewhere. the peace of mind is soooo worth whatever other hiccups happen along the way to making coverage for all a reality.

by Anonymousreply 6511/02/2013

That sounds fishy, R64. When I administered my company's insurance (it was an HMO too) we were required to inform all enrolled at least 30 days in advance of any plan changes, obviously including ending one plan and beginning another. Your letter sounds more like your former employer didn't pay your premium, but even then your coverage should be extended for at least 30 days, so long as you pay the premium. Definitely call them; if nothing else, you should be able to continue coverage for a couple months and then either go on the exchanges or enroll in your new employer's plan. So, talk to your HR person. Didn't they give you any orientation or package of information when you started?

by Anonymousreply 6611/02/2013

R64 here. Good news, it was a miscommunication. HR said that the plan still exists, but the Administrator of the plan was terminated. So I had a heart attack for nothing.

HR said not to worry, but that I might want to shop the exchanges in case I found anything cheaper. I can't help wondering if they would like to get rid of me.

by Anonymousreply 6711/04/2013

thank goodness, r67.

by Anonymousreply 6811/04/2013

Insurance companies are canceling policies like they always do every year, only this year they're blaming it on ObamaCare even when that has nothing to do with anything.

There are a few people with really horrible policies that aren't allowed under ObamaCare rules. These people were basically paying to be uninsured. These policies had huge deductibles and very limited coverage, annual and lifetime caps, and could be pulled if you ever tried to exercise them.

Even for the tiny minority that are seeing their costs increase under the new rules, they're getting VASTLY superior coverage for their few extra dollars.

by Anonymousreply 6911/04/2013

From Talking Points Memo: "Across the country, insurance companies have sent misleading letters to consumers, trying to lock them into the companies' own, sometimes more expensive health insurance plans rather than let them shop for insurance and tax credits on the Obamacare marketplaces -- which could lead to people … spending thousands more for insurance than the law intended."

by Anonymousreply 7011/04/2013

Anybody that hasn't checked out the or your state's site after getting notification from your insurance are willfully ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 7111/04/2013

The smaller insurance companies and smaller employers can't afford the massive mandates and had no choice but to cancel. The big compaines like this plan because, among other things, it cuts out the competition. Also, it's certainly not their fault that people who wanted Obamacare couldn't sign up, even though the administration had three years to prepare.

Obama lied, American health care died.

by Anonymousreply 7211/04/2013

[quote]Obama lied, American health care died.


by Anonymousreply 7311/04/2013

Oh PCF, what would a day be without you? Links, please. And there's no such thing as a "small insurance company." You do get that if your plan is cancelled, that's a qualifying event to shop on the exchange, right? Think that might have been the plan all along? Or did the insurance companies, which had three years to prepare for the coming changes, get blindsided by the extended period of time between passage of the law and enactment of the provisions?

by Anonymousreply 7411/04/2013

The insurance industry is among the most regulated in the country. They have very little power to do that. Their costs are going up because they are being forced to provide servies that most of their customers neither need nor even desire. Note how this problem began when Obamacare's start date began.

by Anonymousreply 7511/07/2013

I know it embarrassing to us who supported Obamacare, but I have to bump this tread, it's an important topic.

by Anonymousreply 7611/07/2013

r49 you didn't put in our zip code. The silver plan for 2 is over 1k a month. For 2.

r61 move to where? We can't afford to move, actually. What a dumb thing to say.

Anyways, I've been telling you this for months and months, no one here believed me, but more and more of you are getting your notices.

People are thinking about divorcing because the plans are so high, yes people who supported BO are saying this.

This couple are from NYC & are interviewed on the video.

by Anonymousreply 7711/08/2013


by Anonymousreply 7811/08/2013

Bullyboy White House aide sparks outrage by 'smearing' terminal cancer patient who dared speak out against Obamacare ·tDan Pfeiffer, the top White House communications strategist, tweeted out a liberal organization's hit piece on Edie Sundby's insurance company ·tPfeiffer has one of the few 'official' White House Twitter accounts ·tThe story ran on the Think Progress blog, a project of the Center for American Progress – run by a former Clinton White House chief of staff ·tIt alleged Sundby's now-famous health insurance limbo is United Healthcare's fault, not Obamacare's ·tSundby, who has battled gallbladder cancer for nearly seven years, wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed about how Obamacare will affect her health ·tHer insurance plan will be canceled next month, leaving her to choose between one government plan that won't cover her primary care doctor and another that won't cover her oncologist ·tObama had claimed Americans could keep their doctors after Obamacare became law: 'What happened to the president's promises?' she asked By David Martosko, U.s. Political Editor and Lydia Warren

Obama communications director Dan Pfeiffer used his official White House Twitter account to recommend a story undermining the anti-Obamacare story of an aging cancer sufferer concerned about her health care President Obama's top communications strategist sparked outrage on Monday after tweeting a blog entry that belittled a cancer sufferer's concerns about losing her doctor and insurance because of Obamacare. Edie Littlefield Sundby, a California woman with stage-4 gallbladder cancer, wrote a powerful Wall Street Journal op-ed that she will soon lose her medical insurance – and access to her life-saving oncologists – as a direct result of the Affordable Care Act. But Think Progress, a far-left blog, countered with an article claiming that her insurance company, United Healthcare, left her in the lurch because it chose to abandon the individual insurance market for financial reasons. Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director, tweeted a link to that story, titled 'The Real Reason That The Cancer Patient Writing In Today’s Wall Street Journal Lost Her Insurance.' The impact on Twitter was both fast and furious, since Pfeiffer's Twitter feed is an 'official' White House account, meaning that it speaks for the administration. Sundby, who has battled her cancer since 2007, had explained that she is 'one of the losers' in the president's signature health insurance overhaul. Cancer specialists at Stanford have 'kept me alive,' she wrote, 'but UCSD has provided emergency and local treatment support during wretched periods of this disease, and it is where my primary-care doctors are.' Both hospitals, and the doctors who practice in them, are covered by her current PPO but Covered California, the state's Obamacare insurance exchange, doesn't offer a single plan that both Stanford and UCSD's medical centers will accept. And, citing unfair tax breaks its competitors enjoy, United Healthcare has said it plans to pull out of California's individual insurance market entirely, leaving Sundy with few options.

Battle: Cancer sufferer Edie Sundby (pictured with her husband Dale) says she is 'one of the losers' from Obamacare as she has lost her healthcare plan and now faces losing her doctors tooFew options: Sundby (taking part in an 800-mile walk after she was previously cancer-free) must either accept the government plan and lose her doctors or pay more with an unfamilar insurance company 'I am a determined fighter and extremely lucky,' she writes. 'But this luck may have just run out: My affordable, lifesaving medical insurance policy has been canceled effective December 31.'

Think Progress argued that United selfishly 'packed its bags and dumped its beneficiaries because it wants its competitors to swallow the first wave of sicker enrollees' on the government-run exchange. Pfeiffer's tweet may have been a small gesture, but it set off a firestorm of responses to the unusual step of a White House communications czar using a partisan blog to fire a rhetorical fusillade against a terminally ill taxpayer. 'Attacking cancer patients. So this is what a complete lack of self-awareness and moral judgement looks like,' tweeted Republican strategist Rick Wilson. Edie Sundby talks about her cancer fight in Feb 2013

Dan Pfeiffer's Twitter feed is an 'official' White House account, giving his tweets extra weight since he's presumed to be speaking for the Obama administration USA Today oped editor David Mastio took issue with that assessment. 'So failure to provide sufficient empathy is an "attack,"' he tweeted. 'Wait until that standard gets used against the next GOP prez. Yeesh.' Scott Paterno, one of the late Penn State football coach Joe Paterno's sons and a one-time congressional candidate, fired off: '[S]o, the bait and switch from the obvious lie is to "its all the insurance companies' fault?" Shocking.' Sundby also focused on that presidential campaign 'lie' in her op-ed. 'What happened to the president's promise, "You can keep your health plan"? Or to the promise that "You can keep your doctor"?' she wrote. 'Thanks to the law, I have been forced to give up a world-class health plan. The exchange would force me to give up a world-class physician. Perhaps that's the point.' 'Broken promises': Obama has previously said that people will not lose their healthcare plans or their doctors - but Sundby said that is not the case for her and demands to know why Wall Street Journal online editorial page editor James Taranto came to Sundby's defense on Monday afternoon, with a biting column titled 'How Low Can They Go?'

Pfeiffer (R) is close to Barack Obama, meaning that his tweets provide the impression that he's speaking for the president He called Pfeiffer a 'fast-talking flack' and Think Progress – the house blog of a group run by former Clinton White House chief of staff John Podesta – 'a leftist propaganda outfit.' Taranto also blamed 'the regulatory structure established by Obama's comprehensive "reform",' not avarice on United Healthcare's part, for the company's decision to cancel Sundby's plan. Her op-ed heaped fuel on an Obamacare fire that has seen more than insurance companies cancel the policies of more than 2 million Americans, with more expected by month's end. Sundby added to MailOnline: 'What I would like to see happen as a result of my op-ed is for the American people to insist that the Executive branch and Congress (and even federal employees) all sign up for health insurance on the exchanges. 'That is the right thing to do. And is the surest way to fix any problems with the exchanges and our healthcare system.' Many Americans forced to seek insurance in the Obamacare exchanges have found higher premium rates, along with higher deductible rates and narrowed networks of covered physicians and hospitals. The enrollment process has also been plagued by software and data entry problems, which led Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to offer an apology to a House committee last week. Sebelius called the enrollment software problems a 'debacle' and 'a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans.' The Real Reason That The Cancer Patient Writing In Today’s Wall Street Journal Lost Her Insurance — Dan Pfeiffer November 4, 2013 Attacking cancer patients. So this is what a complete lack of self-awareness and moral judgement looks like. — Rick Wilson November 4, 2013 So failure to provide sufficient empathy is an "attack." Wait until that standard gets used against the next GOP prez. Yeesh

by Anonymousreply 7911/08/2013

The Obama Administration Attacks and Smears Cancer Patient

You should be very careful if you decide to stand up against the Obama administration. One never knows the lengths that the administration will go to in an effort to not look as stupid and inept as they are. One case in point is the story of one woman who is fighting to survive Stage-4 Cancer of her gallbladder. She argues that the Obama administration’s claims about keeping your insurance, keeping your doctors, and life under Obamacare improving are complete lies when it comes to her care. She had great insurance, was treated by the best doctors and was sure that she was getting the best chances to fight her cancer thanks to those factors. Two things have been essential in my fight to survive stage-4 cancer. The first are doctors and health teams in California and Texas: at the medical center of the University of California, San Diego, and its Moores Cancer Center; Stanford University's Cancer Institute; and the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. The second element essential to my fight is a United Healthcare PPO (preferred provider organization) health-insurance policy. Since March 2007 United Healthcare has paid $1.2 million to help keep me alive, and it has never once questioned any treatment or procedure recommended by my medical team. The company pays a fair price to the doctors and hospitals, on time, and is responsive to the emergency treatment requirements of late-stage cancer. Its caring people in the claims office have been readily available to talk to me and my providers. But then, Obamacare came along and changed… EVERYTHING. But in January, United Healthcare sent me a letter announcing that they were pulling out of the individual California market… You would think it would be simple to find a health-exchange plan that allows me, living in San Diego, to continue to see my primary oncologist at Stanford University and my primary care doctors at the University of California, San Diego. Not so... So if I go with a health-exchange plan, I must choose between Stanford and UCSD. Stanford has kept me alive—but UCSD has provided emergency and local treatment support during wretched periods of this disease, and it is where my primary-care doctors are… Before the Affordable Care Act, health-insurance policies could not be sold across state lines; now policies sold on the Affordable Care Act exchanges may not be offered across county lines. Her story is heartbreaking and just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the horrors that we will all begin hearing in the coming days, weeks and months. It’s inevitable, because Obamacare fundamentally changes EVERYTHING. Never one to let a perceived slight pass without defending themselves, the Obama team was quick to respond in an attempt to defame and smear the messenger. Fortunately, twitter users were quick to respond to the White House’s sad attempt to attack the character of a woman who is simply telling her story. The White House turned to the liberal smear masters at Think Progress, to spin her story for them. Sadly, they fell far short of that. All they really did was smear a woman dying of cancer because she had the audacity to stand up and tell the truth. Obamacare is driving our nation’s healthcare backwards. Our healthcare system is worse-off today than it was before President Obama, and that’s a message the Democrats can’t allow to be told. So, if you are thinking about standing up to the Democrat machine… you better come ready for some mud-slinging.

by Anonymousreply 8011/08/2013

Obamacation: Death Panels are Still Going Live

Freshmen and sophomores in a social studies class at St. Joseph-Ogden High School in Illinois were asked to make life-and-death decisions concerning people they’d never met… The lesson began by telling students that ten people shared a serious problem: Without access to a dialysis machine, they would all die. Unfortunately, they were told, the local hospital only has enough machines for six of them. The assignment was to decide who got the treatment and who didn’t. The students were asked to rank the potential recipients from one, the person they most wanted to receive treatment, to ten, the person they least wanted. All they knew about the people was age, race, and occupation or lack thereof: a housewife, doctor, lawyer, disabled person, cop, teacher, minister, college student, ex-convict, and prostitute. When a mother of one of the students learned about the assignment, she thought about how her own family, which included an autistic child and an elderly bed-ridden mother, would fare in the exercise. So she contacted the school and complained about the assignment… The school insists that the assignment was about “social bias,” a claim that is belied by the fact that the following lesson was about abortion and when in pregnancy it was permissible. Death panels are still in our future. Obamacare is wounded but it is not dead yet. LifeNews also points to this story in the New York Post: Elderly New Yorkers are in a panic after getting notices that insurance companies are booting their doctors from the Medicare Advantage program as a result of the shifting medical landscape under ObamaCare. That leaves patients with unenviable choices: keep the same insurance plan and find another doctor, pay out of pocket or look for another plan where their physician is a member. New York State Medical Society President Sam Unterricht is demanding a congressional probe after learning that one health carrier alone, UnitedHealthcare, is terminating contracts with up to 2,100 doctors serving 8,000 Medicare Advantage patients in the New York metro region. So the death panels are already here. The rationing is already going into effect. While The Independent Payment Advisory Board is still ready to launch, it is only one part of the concerted government effort to control resources and decide who gets to live. Schools are already in gear preparing students to accept all this as a public health issue. Explain to me, again, why it was such a good thing to give seniors free or subsidized healthcare in the first place. If we were only going to start taking it away from them after they had come to rely upon it, I fail to see how we are better off. And if bureaucrats are going to deprive people from having health care anyway, what was so immoral before about people who allegedly “didn’t have access” to health care before under the old system? Obamacare is a death panel. And it comes with a death panel propaganda curriculum for children.

by Anonymousreply 8111/08/2013

R80's cut-and-paste job originally appeared on the Eagle Rising website. Eagle Rising is a division of Christian Worldview Communications, LLC. It "exists to help America return to our Founding Fathers' vision for a Christian Republic." Among its other top stories today:

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by Anonymousreply 8211/08/2013

If I understand this correctly:

When he said if you like your current healthcare plan you could keep it, he was telling the truth.

But those plans changed because the insurance companies changed them.

Into something that could not survive under the act.

So the plan that can no longer be kept are not the plans which were current when Obama said they could be kept.

This will not derail Obamacare.

It is merely a plot by insurance companies to send letters to these folks telling them their junk policies no longer exist, and offering them shit policies at a lot of money, in the hopes that some will purchase those shit policies and give them that shitload of money, when, if, instead, those customers went on the exchange, they could find good policies for a lot less.

It's the American way of doing business, not Obama, who fucked up.

Now, the real question is why is the White House having such difficulty explaining this and spinning this to their benefit, making people understand that this wasn't some boldfaced lie by Obama. But rather a byproduct of the fact that grandfathering of policies could - and should - have only gone so far. And if these people could actually keep these horrid policies under Obamacare, it would be a disaster and wrong.

The policies that these people can't keep now are not the same policies Obama referred to. They've changed. Into something that doesn't pass muster under the new bill.

That isn't Obama's fault, that's the insurance companies fault, and planned, so that they can now tell people, sorry you have to change policy, and this is what we are offering you - and it's going to cost a lot more. Thus, a really ugly misleading gambit to try to raise money by corporations.

Instead of the media condemning what the insurance policies are doing, they'd rather go after Obama.

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by Anonymousreply 8411/08/2013

I don't have health insurance now because I can not afford it on my income of about $22,000. I can afford to spend about $750 a year on one or two Doctors visits, non prescription drugs, etc.

A basic plan, after the subsidy, will cost me about $1,000 a year. After I pay that I won't be able to afford to ever visit a Doctor and I will have to cut all my other expenses to afford my over the counter medications.

Oh sure I will be better off if I have a major problem but I probably won't have a major problem.

by Anonymousreply 8511/08/2013

Where do you live, R85? I just entered my info using a $22,000 salary and my basic (Bronze-level) plan would be $21 a year after subsidies. The Sliver plan would be $1,021 after subsidies.

by Anonymousreply 8611/08/2013

[R83], the media is going after Obama. Are you serious? The media has been on of his most loyal supporters. They cheered him openly at the 2008 convention, voted for him twice, and covered up for him time and time again. If he's getting bad press, it's because Obamacare is causing so much damage, they can't cover for him anymore.

by Anonymousreply 8711/08/2013

Celtic (aka Cigna) sent me a letter saying they were cancelling me

by Anonymousreply 8811/08/2013

R85: I live in Connecticut, I reported $56K on my tax return last year and qualify for a $560 discount (granted, I have a 20 year old daughter who is in college - claim her as a dependent). Also I'm in Fairfield county - more expensive to live here than other parts of the state don't know if that if factored in (and compared to living in less expensive parts of the country)

I bought a better plan that got cancelled on my and I will be paying less

my rate will be $480 per month for the two of us. without the subsidy, I would be paying $1,000

by Anonymousreply 8911/08/2013

How are universities getting around the ACA rules re: student health insurance? Or is it acceptable to cover hospital stays at only 80%?

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by Anonymousreply 9111/08/2013

I live in Alaska, everything costs more here. A Silver plan would have a big subsidy for me. A bronze plan would have a small one. My expenses would cap out at about 4.33% of my income either way, or about $955 a year.

Since I spend about $750 a year now my expenses would go up to about $1700 a year. I don't have the extra $80 a month.

by Anonymousreply 9211/08/2013

(are you really "proud," closeted freeper?)

by Anonymousreply 9311/08/2013

R75 posted, "Their costs are going up because they are being forced to provide servies(sic) that most of their customers neither need nor even desire."

Uhm, costs are going up for services people don't need? You do realize that emergencies happen, right?

My insurance through my employer covers the following, which I don't need:

Mental/behavioral health Maternity In/Outpatient surgery Specialist visits Emergency Room visits

Many people are paying for "coverage" that doesn't even cover the basics! There is a difference between just having coverage and having necessary and valuable coverage. I am happy I have these coverages in case I need them.

And before you ask, I am 50+ and not a gym rat. I take care of myself to the best of my abilities.

by Anonymousreply 9411/08/2013

Unreal, the trolling on this issue on this gay gossip board.

by Anonymousreply 9511/08/2013

Holy Crap! This Obamacare is a mess, but what choice to we have? Just wish he was more honest with us about it.

by Anonymousreply 9611/08/2013

r96 is the worst kind of concern troll.

you do realize it is insurance companies canceling your plan, not obama? because before they were taking your money and giving you shitty coverage but under the new law, they have to now provide meaningful coverage? so after ripping you off for years, and pocketing the profit, they are now not returning the favor to even things out but instead, passing on the actual costs of meaningful coverage to you, the insured.

luckily for you, the government is stepping in with subsidies to help you make this transition. you should be fucking thanking obama for that, rather than concern trolling a gay fucking message board.

by Anonymousreply 9711/08/2013

52 reasons Obamacare can't work

WASHINGTON – Rod Coons and Florence Peace, a healthy couple in Indianapolis, spend only $500 every year on medical care and say their current health plan works well for them – but Obamacare will soon strip them of that contentment, forcing them to pay soaring rates and accept inferior care because their existing plan isn’t “government approved.” And they aren’t alone. Many Americans don’t realize their health plans won’t meet Obamacare standards next year, experts warn. Abbey Bruce, a nursing assistant who works a second job cleaning, learned she will now pay a sharply higher deductible, because of Obamacare’s so-called Cadillac tax, which penalizes companies that offer high-end health care plans to employees.

The problems don’t end there. Now that America is finding out what’s in President Obama’s signature legislation, dozens upon dozens of severe problems, failures and unworkable plans are coming to light. And now, polls show most Americans are beginning to suffer both sticker shock and buyer’s remorse. The controversial, 10,000-page law is now literally falling apart on dozens of different fronts, as a comprehensive review has revealed. Obama promised his health plan would improve coverage, lower premiums by $2,500 per family and allow Americans to keep their doctors and health plans, but a crushing mountain of evidence is indicating otherwise. Given the more than 50 major problems has documented, all of President Obama’s promises appear either highly in question or unlikely to happen, more than three years after his Affordable Care Act was signed into law March 23, 2010. The most recent glitch is a significant one: The administration’s decision to delay the caps on out-of-pocket expenses is a large part of what is supposed to make the Affordable Care Act affordable. No caps on out-of-pocket expenses means insurance customers will have to pay more for co-payments and deductibles and insurance companies will be required to pay less. This setback to Obamacare is merely the latest in what has become a long and staggering list of failures or impending failures – including the most important promises affecting cost and coverage. Some of the most striking Obamacare problems are: ·tno guarantee Americans will keep their doctors, ·tAmericans may lose their health plans, ·tworsening health care, ·thigher premiums, ·thigher taxes, ·tbudget deficit increase, ·thiring freezes, ·tslashed workers’ hours, ·tkilling existing jobs, ·tkilling new jobs, ·tjobs already killed, ·t1,200 business waivers, ·thigher Medicare costs, ·tseniors may lose Medicare, ·tmost Americans don’t want it. The list of Obamacare failures, problems and setbacks is growing at a faster pace as Obamacare approaches its implementation deadline of Jan. 1, 2014: 1) Americans may lose their doctors: The president promised, “No matter what you’ve heard, if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep them.” However, that promise is not necessarily true, according to his own Department of Human Health and Services. HHS recently posted the answer to this question on “Depending on the plan you choose in the Marketplace, you may be able to keep your current doctor.” The government explains, “Most health insurance plans offered in the Marketplace have networks of hospitals, doctors, specialists, pharmacies, and other health care providers. Networks include health care providers that the plan contracts with to take care of the plan’s members. Depending on the type of policy you buy, care may be covered only when you get it from a network provider.” 2) Americans may lose their health plans: Obama promised “you can keep your health plan,” but customers with high deductibles are now discovering their insurance plans do not qualify as “government approved” under Obamacare, so they will be required to change plans. A fact-check review by even the left-leaning found Obama’s promise only “half true” and difficult to predict, due to continuing uncertainties in the implementation of Obamacare. 3) Worsening health care: The New York Times reports as many as 75 percent of health plans will be affected by the so-called “Cadillac tax” on what the administration labels high-end plans. A health-care expert warned consumers should expect their plan is going to be more expensive and they will have fewer benefits. The Times predicts those patients can expect to visit clinics instead of doctors for prescriptions or blood-pressure checks; programs, rather than doctors, to manage such chronic conditions as diabetes; and a health screening to determine one’s odds of developing a costly health condition. 4) Higher premiums: Although Obama claimed his program “would save the average family $2,500 on their premiums,” a Wall Street Journal study revealed premiums for healthy people could actually double, or even triple. 5) Higher taxes: The Heritage Foundation found 20 new or increased taxes in Obamacare, including taxes on investment income, Medicare payroll, the individual and employer mandates, insurance companies, insurance plans, innovator drug companies, medical device manufacturers, medical bills, flexible spending accounts for special-needs children, over-the-counter medicines, parts of Medicare D, Blue Cross/Blue Shield deductions and charitable hospitals. 6) Budget deficit increase: The GAO reports Obamacare will increase the long-term federal deficit by $6.2 trillion. 7) Hiring freezes: A Gallup poll found more than 40 percent of small businesses have frozen hiring because of Obamacare. 8) Slashed workers’ hours: A survey by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce found half of small businesses affected by Obamacare plan to either replace their current full-time workers with part-timers or cut their workers’ hours because of the law’s requirements. 9) Killing existing jobs: The same survey found 24 percent of small businesses plan to cut staff to less than 50 to avoid paying penalties for not providing health insurance. 10) Killing new jobs: One-third of employers cited the uncertainty of Obamacare’s costs and regulations as the biggest obstacle to hiring more workers. New taxes could kill tens of thousands of jobs, possibly causing more layoffs. The employer mandate, once implemented, will be a disincentive for businesses to hire more than 49 full-time workers if the businesses can’t pay for health insurance. 11) Jobs already killed: Layoffs at a south-side Chicago hospital, a Wisconsin health care company, a Pennsylvania community college and cities in Ohio and Pennsylvania have already been attributed to Obamacare. 12) More than 1,200 business waivers: HHS acknowledged issuing businesses more than 1,200 waivers from parts of Obamacare by January 2012. After that, the department stopped updating the total number of waivers because of monthly ridicule from the GOP. Instead, HHS stopped accepting applications for one-year waivers and simply granted or denied waivers through the end of the year. 13) Higher Medicare costs: A Heritage Foundation analysis found Obamacare will force seniors to suffer higher out-of-pocket expenses over the next five years. Payments will be reduced to hospitals, skilled nursing facilities and home health-care agencies. 14) Seniors may lose Medicare: Another Heritage Foundation study determined, “Many seniors will experience a reduction in their Medicare Advantage benefits or even a loss of their existing plan.” 15) Americans reject Obamacare: A CBS News poll found 54 percent of Americans disapprove of the health-care law. More Americans than ever, 39 percent, want it repealed. 16) Fewer insurance companies: Businesses providing health insurance dropped from 59 percent to 52 percent from 2000 to 2011. 17) Fewer insurance choices: Two major health care providers, United Healthcare and Aetna, stopped providing coverage in California because of Obamacare’s requirements. 18) Basic health plan delayed: The administration postponed until after the 2014 election the health program for low-to-moderate income people who don’t qualify for expanded Medicaid. 19) Early retiree program broke: A plan intended to insure early retirees between ages 55 and 65, and their dependents, until government-run exchanges are in place quickly ran out of money. HHS stopped accepting new applications in May 2011. By December 2011, the program had spent its $5 billion budget and stopped paying any claims – two years before it was supposed to end. 20) High-risk pools failing: The administration cut payments to doctors and hospitals before it ran out of money to fund the pre-existing condition insurance plan for people with cancer, heart disease and other serious conditions. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius simply announced “health care facilities and providers will get paid less” for providing the same services. 21) Insurance co-ops failing: The Inspector General for HHS reported most of the 24 health care cop-ops created under Obamacare are in danger of running out of money before they even provide health insurance. 22) Uninsured children: Major health insurance companies, including Anthem Blue Cross and Aetna, decided to stop selling new policies for children rather than comply with the law now forbidding them from rejecting children with pre-existing medical conditions. Insurers say the law could create large and unexpected costs. 23) Union opposition: The leaders of three major U.S. unions (including the Teamsters), which strongly supported Obamacare, now warn Democratic leaders that unless the health-care law undergoes major changes, it will “destroy the very health and well-being of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.” It will also “destroy the foundation of the 40-hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.” 24) Patients expect worsening care: A Rasmussen poll finds 61 percent of Americans expect health care to get worse under Obamacare over the next two years. 25) Doctors expect worsening care: Many doctors fear they will be unable to continue private practice because of low reimbursement rates from Medicaid and Medicare and will end up working for a corporation hospital where the profits are distributed to shareholders. Doctors fear they will be punished in that system if they spend too much time with a patient or provide too much treatment. 26) Small business plan delayed: The administration delayed implementation of a program designed to provide affordable health insurance to small businesses, a program the New York Times called “a major selling point for the health-care legislation.”

27) Losing the mainstream media: NBC has discovered Obamacare will cause some people to lose income, others to lose their jobs and some to lose their insurance. Reporter Lisa Myers said they “spoke to almost 20 small businesses and other entities around the country. Almost all said because of the new law, they’d be cutting back hours for some employees” below 30 each week because they can’t afford to offer the health insurance mandated by Obamacare. 28) Death panels confirmed: Physician and former DNC Chairman Howard Dean wrote an editorial in July essentially confirming Sarah Palin’s contention that Obamcare will have a “death panel.” Palin was excoriated for her assertion by the administration and the mainstream media. even dubbed it 2009′s “Lie of the Year.” But Dean confirmed the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, “is essentially a health-care rationing body” that will “be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.” The rationing board will decide whether or not some patients get potentially life-saving treatments, which is basically how Palin described “death panel” in her 2009 Facebook post. 29) Growing Democratic Party opposition: Along with Howard Dean, 22 elected Democrats at the federal level now back the repeal of the Independent Payment Advisory Board. (The American Medical Association, the American Hospital Association and the pharmaceutical lobby also support repeal of the IPAB.) Four House Democrats were scolded by their own party after voting with Republicans to delay the individual and employer mandates. 30) Medicare cuts delayed: The administration is spending billions to postpone cuts to Medicare until after the 2014 election. 31) States resist Medicaid expansion: Following the Supreme Court’s ruling allowing states to opt out of Medicaid expansion, 24 states are moving toward expanding the program and 21 states are not. 32) Insurance exchanges unwanted: Most states have declined to create their own insurance exchanges and are letting Washington create a federally run exchange for them. A full 27 states are opting for the federal exchange while only 17 states are creating their own exchanges. 33) Bypassing Congress to change law: The Obama administration used the IRS to unilaterally rewrite the health-care law to fix a problem it did not anticipate, withoutconsulting Congress. The administration had expected all states to create health-insurance exchanges, but so far only 17 have done so and 27 states have defaulted to the federal exchange. The problem is, Obamacare authorized tax credits and subsidies for the purchase of qualifying health insurance plans in state-run exchanges (Section 1311) but not federal ones (Section 1321). So, in May 2012, the administration simply had the IRS issue a rule to authorize tax credits and subsidies in federal exchanges. 34) Congress investigates key rule: The chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee announced in January they would investigate and hold hearings on the IRS rule allowing federal exchanges under Obamacare to issue tax credits and subsidies. Federal exchanges were not allowed to do so under the Affordable Care Act passed by Congress and signed into law by the president. But the administration directed the IRS to unilaterally change the law without involving Congress in May 2012. 35) Judge OKs suit against HHS: A federal judge rejected the federal government’s motion to dismiss Oklahoma v. Sebelius. Oklahoma is challenging the legality of the IRS regulation giving tax credits to federal exchanges under Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act passed by Congress and signed into law by the president allows those tax credits only to state exchanges, but only 17 states have established such exchanges. So the administration simply had the IRS issue a rule in May of 2012 to authorize tax credits and subsidies in federal exchanges. 36) Critical deadlines missed: A GAO report says critical deadlines to create a federal exchange have been missed, suggesting “a potential for challenges going forward.” 37) Doctors fleeing and opting out: The Wall Street Journal found Obamacare is causing fewer doctors to treat Medicare and Medicaid patients. The number of doctors opting out of Medicare has nearly tripled from three years earlier. Even fewer are accepting new Medicaid patients. A survey found six in 10 physicians say it is likely many doctors will retire earlier than planned in the next one to three years. The same percentage say the practice of medicine is in jeopardy as medical experts lose control of their clinics and compensation because of Obamacare. 38) Fewer doctor and hospital choices: The New York times found health insurance companies are cutting costs by selecting health-care plans that reduce the number of doctors and hospitals available to customers. 39) HHS mandate challenged: The highly controversial HHS mandate, opposed by many (including the Catholic Church) on religious grounds because it would force employers to provide contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs, is tied-up in the courts and may go to the Supreme Court. 40) Employer mandate delayed: The mandate requiring employers with 50 or more employees to provide health coverage has been postponed until after the 2014 election. Unions complain it is most unfair to require employees – but not employers – to adhere to Obamacare. Other prominent critics have echoed the accusation of Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, that it is unconstitutional for the president to unilaterally order this change after Obamacare had become law. 41) IRS “honor” system open to fraud, abuse: Because the employer mandate is delayed but not the individual mandate, the government has no way to determine whether employees of businesses with 50 or more workers are eligible for subsidies. So, individuals will be on the “honor system” to report their insurance status to the IRS and whether they are eligible for subsidies. That leaves the door open for potential widespread fraud and improper subsidy payments. It also makes taxpayers liable to repay any subsidies and/or tax credits erroneously granted while the honor system is in effect. 42) Fewer child-only plans: According to a senate committee report, “As a result of the new regulations, children who are not eligible for Medicaid, the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), or high risk pools have fewer plans to choose from, and in many states are no longer able to obtain insurance coverage under child-only plans.” 43) Schools can’t afford insurance: Schools have already begun cutting hours to avoid paying insurance for substitute teachers and support staff such as classroom aides, cafeteria workers and bus drivers. Obamacare requires employers to offer health coverage to all employees who work an average of 30 or more hours per week each month, or else pay a fine. 44) Young people expected to opt out: Obamacare needs enough healthy people ages 18-34 to join health insurance exchanges to “cross-subsidize” people who are older and not as healthy. But a study shows the younger people will have a financial incentive to instead pay the individual mandate penalty of $95 or one percent of income. Approximately 3.7 million of those ages 18-34 will be at least $500 better off if they forgo insurance and pay the penalty. More than 3 million will be $1,000 better off if they go the same route. The study finds that is a big enough problem to doom the insurance exchanges. 45) Identity theft risks: The California insurance commissioner warns that poor screening of those helping people sign up for Obamacare could lead to identity theft and fraud. 46) Obamacare con artists: CNBC reports Obamacare is “a dream come true for rip-off artists.” Scam artists are setting up fake health-care exchanges on the Internet, enticing victims to enter their personal financial information. Other scam artists are calling, faxing and emailing people claiming to be with Medicare or Obamacare, asking for a bank account or Social Security number to “verify” personal information and to “make sure you get the proper benefits.” Others have tried to sell fake insurance cards and have even threatened people with jail if they don’t purchase one. Con artists have also tried to pass themselves off as Obamacare “navigators” who can help Americans apply for coverage through an exchange, then ask for money or personal information. 47) Public option failure: The public option would have provided a government-run insurance agency to compete with private insurers. The Department of Health and Human Services admitted in 2011 it would not work; then Congress repealed the program. 48) Employee free choice repealed: The plan would have allowed 300,000 employees to choose their own insurance coverage, using employer-financed vouchers. 49) Obama exempts Congress and staff: President Obama personally negotiated an exemption from the health-care law for members of Congress and their staff. They reportedly will have 75 percent of their health insurance costs paid by the government. That circumvents an amendment by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, put into law, and expressly designed, to ensure Congress lives under Obamacare, just as the rest of the nation must. 50) Federal workers don’t want Obamacare: According to a survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees, 92.3 percent do not want to be forced into Obamacare. Only 2.9 percent want to make the change.

51) Involuntary home inspections: Critics say these are actually forced home inspections targeting a wide variety of Americans. They point to a provision in Obamacare providing hundreds of millions of dollars to make “evidence-based” inspections of “high-risk populations,” defined as families in which any of these conditions apply: the mother is under 21; someone is a tobacco user; children have low student achievement, developmental delays or disabilities; individuals who are serving or formerly served in the armed forces. Critics say even homeschoolers may be subject to “intervention” in “school readiness,” and farm families could face intervention to “prevent child injuries.” Gun owners may be required to comply with safety inspections. 52) Charitable hospitals threatened: Charitable hospitals that treat the uninsured could face hefty fines and even lose their nonprofit status. Hospitals that devote a minimum amount of their expenses to treat uninsured poor could face penalties because of a new provision in Section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code taking effect under Obamacare. Charitable hospitals will face considerable paperwork and scrutiny from bureaucrats particularly interested in how and why hospitals will be providing discounted or free care to poor patients

by Anonymousreply 9811/09/2013

Affordable Care Act, Not Insurers, At Fault For Cancelled Insurance Plans

President Obama has come under fire recently for promises about the Affordable Care Act. The President repeatedly assured doubters that under the Affordable Care Act, Americans would be able to keep their existing health insurance. As a growing number of Americans receive cancellation notices from their insurance companies, many are describing this promise as misleading, if not an outright lie. These cancellation notices are particularly infuriating to young people, who are now forced to subsidize the health care of older, more affluent Americans.

In a speech defending the law on Wednesday, the President attempted to shift the blame for these cancellations on “bad apple insurers.” This claim ignores the fact that these cancellation notices are the result of insurance companies simply complying with the Affordable Care Act. The Obama administration is depending on “young invincibles” to enroll in health insurance plans to make the law a success, but young people would be wise to consider the misleading nature of the administration’s claims.

During Congress’ debate of the Affordable Care Act and the resulting political aftermath, one of President Obama’s most persistent claims was that people who were happy with their health insurance would be able to keep it. In an address to the American Medical Association on June 15, 2009, the President stated, “If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period.” The President planted this straightforward stake in the ground, with no caveats.

As the law has gradually taken effect, this has proven untrue. According to CBS News, more than 2 million Americans are losing their health insurance plans because of the Affordable Care Act.

While the Obama administration has admitted these insurance cancellations are taking place, the administration has attempted to shift the blame away from the Affordable Care Act. In a press conference on Tuesday, Press Secretary Jay Carney stated to those receiving health insurance cancellation notices, “Your insurer basically threw you off that plan.” On Wednesday, the President himself attributed these changes to “bad apple insurers” who are attempting to “downgrade or cancel these substandard plans.”

In reality, these insurance cancellations are the result of insurance companies simply complying with the regulations put in place by the Affordable Care Act. According to Peter Suderman, Senior Editor of Reason Magazine, the Affordable Care Act “institute[s] a slew of new requirements that [are] certain to result in health insurers dropping current plans for millions of people.” Many existing plans in the individual market, which were targeted to meet consumer demand, did not fit these mandates. Health insurance companies have had to cancel many of their existing plans to create new, more costly plans which do comply with these new mandates.

While this may be news to those who followed President Obama’s rhetoric over the past few years, the large number of health insurance cancellations were actually expected by the Obama administration. NBC News recently took a look at regulations issued in July 2010, finding that the Obama Administration “knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.”

The success of the Affordable Care Act rests upon a large number of so-called “young invincibles” enrolling in health care. In order to make the law work, “The White House has said it needs 2.7 million young adults to buy insurance through the government-run marketplaces,” according to Businessweek. But as Cathy Reisenwitz recently noted on Forbes, the law “hoses young, relatively poor people like [her] right when we least need high bills for services they’re not using.” In the face of mounting evidence that President Obama’s claims about the Affordable Care Act were misleading, young people are wise to remain skeptical of the law’s supposed benefits.

by Anonymousreply 9911/09/2013

r99, You are kidding, right?


Are you high?

by Anonymousreply 10011/09/2013

[quote]“Our premium for next year is going up to over $1,000 a month for two of us and we’re two fairly healthy individuals,” Wagner said.

by Anonymousreply 10111/09/2013

[quote]giving you shitty coverage but under the new law, they have to now provide meaningful coverage

Trying to make that old meme stick ain't working anymore, honey. Even the Prez admits it was wrong.

by Anonymousreply 10211/09/2013

r102, is there someone in your real life you DO call honey?

You are so addled and so wrong about this that I think you need someone to hug. Go hug your honey.

by Anonymousreply 10311/09/2013

The bronze plan for $700+ a month for 2 people is deplorable. You get a total of 3 visits per year, otherwise it's full whack to pay for the doctor.

by Anonymousreply 10411/09/2013

Seniors are now being thrown off their medicare advantage insurance.

[quote]Schokowitz is one of many Medicare beneficiaries now learning that — like Americans who buy insurance on the individual market — they are losing their insurance, and in some cases their doctors, under Obamacare.

by Anonymousreply 10511/09/2013

wow, if the DAILY CALLER says it's true, it must be!

by Anonymousreply 10611/09/2013

The troll stench is strong in this one.

by Anonymousreply 10711/09/2013

From what I've read, it's a scam. The company then offers to sell you another plan that they say gives you what you need for a significantly higher price. Apparently, in teeny tiny lettering at the bottom of the letter is a notice that you can go on the exchange to buy your plan. And it turns out, that the same or very similar plan they offered you is, in fact, available on the exchange for a LOT LESS money than the quote they gave you in the letter.

by Anonymousreply 10811/09/2013

R107's definition of a troll: anyone who doesn't agree that Obamacare is wonderful and perfect.

by Anonymousreply 10911/09/2013

Obama's polling in the high 30s(latest PEW), but soon he'll be in the fucking 20s.

by Anonymousreply 11011/09/2013

[quote]Obama's polling in the high 30s

WTF?! That's like Bush!

by Anonymousreply 11111/09/2013

I still rate President Obama favorably, who participates in these polls?

by Anonymousreply 11211/09/2013

Why are you falling for freeper lies so easily?

41% approval

by Anonymousreply 11311/09/2013

If Obama's lips are moving, he's lying his skinny little ass off.

by Anonymousreply 11411/09/2013

Real Clear Politics has the PEW poll at 39% approval 56% disapproval for Obama.

by Anonymousreply 11511/09/2013

They are wrong. It's 41%

by Anonymousreply 11611/09/2013

You know what? I voted for Obama and have NO PROBLEM saying this healthcare policy is a MESS. I know people who have had the health insurance policies cancelled and it sucks. To the gentleman above who said something like "who cares if your cheap healthcare coverage was cancelled" you can go suck it SIr. You have no idea what its like having something cancelled that one worked hard to get. I am ALL for healthcare in this country but to hear that millions and millions are losing their existing healthcare well guys -- that just sucks. It really does. We saw the writing on the wall two years ago with this and researched out things a) b) c) all companies did. And thankfully, we have good insurance folks. They told us the worst thing that could happen and the least thing that could happen. The entire thing is a mess. Just because you voted for Obama doesn't mean you have to rubber stamp everything he does: this thing is so flawed.

by Anonymousreply 11711/09/2013

Breathe, r117. Obamacare is not the enemy. Insurance companies are.

by Anonymousreply 11811/09/2013

Complete juvenile crap R118.

by Anonymousreply 11911/09/2013

Is that an argument, r118? Are you saying that insurance companies are not using Obamacare as an excuse to rip off their customers?

It seems to me juvenile to call people names without actually making an argument.

by Anonymousreply 12011/09/2013

Insurance companies and red states that have fought the ACA tooth and nail and doing everything in their power to see it fail. In those states, because of their collusion, people are losing policies and premiums are skyrocketing.

by Anonymousreply 12111/09/2013

[R117] We tried to warn you. You're in this tragic situation because of who you voted for. If you want to improve your situation, vote against the people who did this to you.

by Anonymousreply 12211/09/2013

Because of Obamacare's specific regulations, people are losing policies and premiums are skyrocketing.

Obama wanted all these people in the exchanges and that's exactly what he's getting. After all, somebody's got to pay for all the Medicaid freebies.

Just plain old Obamacare extortion/transfer of the haves to the have nots.

by Anonymousreply 12311/09/2013

Delusional, as I said on another thread.

by Anonymousreply 12411/09/2013

Reality called, r123. It wants you to stop claiming to be it.

Obamacare regulations are basically minimums, not picky specifics. If you had a reasonable policy, it would qualify. If your insurance company says they have to charge you more you either had a useless policy in the first place or they are lying.

by Anonymousreply 12511/09/2013

A lot of insurance companies are cancelling individual policies because they do not want to get saddled with the 'sicker' people who, until Obamacare, could not afford or did not qualify for most plans. Once the people with chronic conditions are signed up, they will once again offer these plans.

by Anonymousreply 12611/09/2013


[quote]Insurance companies and red states that have fought the ACA tooth and nail and doing everything in their power to see it fail. In those states, because of their collusion, people are losing policies and premiums are skyrocketing.

The insurance companies, via their lobbyists, wrote the ACA.

Anyone too stupid to see that this benefits the BIG corporate insurance companies while destroying the smaller companies is blind.

by Anonymousreply 12711/09/2013

Smug rich a-holes like R125 make me sick, who the hell are you to decide what is a "reasonable" policy for me?

by Anonymousreply 12811/09/2013

Most of us with canceled insurance had a "reasonable" policy. In fact it is currently better than the BRONZE version that is 150% more than what we're paying r125 - you don't have any idea what you're talking about, and I am almost 100% sure you're getting a "subsidy".

by Anonymousreply 12911/09/2013

I'm for people to have a choice. It isn't fair to force someone to get health insurance one way or another. It has been reported recently 52 million people have lost their health care coverage because of this complete mess!

by Anonymousreply 13011/09/2013

I spend almost $1200 month for private health insurance (a very good Emblem/GHI policy) at present.

On January 1, my new policy will be $531/month for a Platinum policy. In fact, it is the same damn identical policy from the same damn identical insurance company, Emblem/GHI.

NY State, by the way.

by Anonymousreply 13111/09/2013

r131 - you're getting a subsidy right?

by Anonymousreply 13211/09/2013

i haven't seen trolling like this in quite some time. did the koch brothers hire seasonal help?

by Anonymousreply 13311/09/2013

No R133, they are NOT Trolls! They are posters who are speaking their own minds instead of kowtowing to some posters on DL who try to harass others if he or she says anything contrary that you want and expect to read from them.Stop the brainwashing and acting like dictators! Everyone has a right to speak his or her mind!

by Anonymousreply 13411/10/2013

Ther is no doubt the health insurance companies had some issues and something needed to be done. One example, they would not accept anyone with preexisting conditions. Recently I lost my health insurance because I couldn't afford the monthly fees. My monthly fees went up dramatically just recently. However, I don't believe that Obamacare is the answer.

The health insurance companies have to raise the rates in order to maintain the new polices which is enforced by the government. They are businesses but it is ridiculous to believe that the health insurance companies purposely raised outrageous monthly rates in order to make money. They know that on the contrary, this will scare the consumers away because the general public can't afford those skyrocketing costs. The wealthy are the minority ,which are 1 percent of the population. The middle class, lower class, and the working class are the majority consumers they are the ones who make the economy thrive.

by Anonymousreply 13511/10/2013

Wait, am I rich or receiving a subsidy? I'm so confused!

by Anonymousreply 13611/10/2013

I'm employed by a non-profit and our agency was cut off from our city's umbrella social services collaborative.

So it's not just the freepers. I'm disappointed but hopeful it will be better in the long run. I'll be paying significantly more until further notice.

by Anonymousreply 13711/10/2013

To be fair, all we are hearing about are the Obamacare disaster stories. I am searching, but can only find a few success stories.

by Anonymousreply 13811/10/2013

Positive story: Over 30,000 sign up in KY in first month.

by Anonymousreply 13911/10/2013

Throwing around this, "I bet you get a subsidy," reveals you to be freeper trolls. It is their current tactic. If they can't show that people are losing health care because of the ACA (and they can't), then they are going to characterize those people who get health care as leeches on "us good decent working Amurikans."

by Anonymousreply 14011/10/2013

No what you are hearing are trumped up stories by freepers.

I am a success story. My previous insurance was 200 a month and ultra crap. Basically it covered me if my right leg (not my left) was cut off by a tree...

not really but is sucked.

It was cancelled. I got a silver plan for about 40 dollars a month more. Guess what. Now my blood pressure meds are covered 100%. I get an actual doctor's visit! before I had no preventative care. BTW my blood pressure med on my old plan was about 40 a month so it works out. If I have some sort of major illness the most I will ever pay is 2500 dollars. Before it was 6000 and my 80% coverage kicks in at 1250.

by Anonymousreply 14111/10/2013

i haven't seen threads trolled this hardcore since the after the 2008 elections. the koch borthers must be worried if they are sending their minions to troll an obscure gay message board.

good luck guys, you'll need that and all the gerrymandering and vote suppression you can get, but even with those efforts, i hate to break it to you: america just isn't that into you.

by Anonymousreply 14211/10/2013

AND you are dying off.

by Anonymousreply 14311/10/2013

not that facts have ever stopped a freeper troll, but the ACA has helped cut the rate of health care costs increases in half compared to last 40 years

by Anonymousreply 14411/10/2013


by Anonymousreply 14511/11/2013

Even Fox News admits, if you are getting cancelled, blame the insurance companies, not the ACA.

by Anonymousreply 14611/11/2013

[R142] I've never met the Koch brothers before. I just stumbled onto this site by accident while looking up some celebrity gossip (a minor hobby of mine). This site is fun (they actually think you can tell if a celebrity is gay by how good-looking he is) but the politics here are disturbing. Not all gays are leftist whack jobs and the anti-ACA postings are simply reflecting that.

by Anonymousreply 14711/11/2013

[quote]the koch brothers must be worried if they are sending their minions to troll an obscure gay message board

Wow, I've seen delusional people before, but wow...

by Anonymousreply 14811/11/2013


Latest quinnipiac poll has Obama at 39% approval, 54% disapproval.

And, for the first time, American voters say 52-44% that Obama IS NOT honest and trustworthy.

Generic congressional ballot stands at dem 39% to repub 39%.

Christe 43, Clinton 42

Only 19% of American voters say the quality of care they and their families receive will improve in the next yr because of Obamacare, 43% say it will get worse.

Voters oppose Obamacare 55-39%

with men opposed 59-37%, women 51-41%.

Golly Gee, is it any wonder that Billy Boy came out and told Obama to keep his promise?

by Anonymousreply 14911/13/2013

My post among first this thread was deleted. It wasn't inflammatory at all, and now others thankfully are saying the same thing but their posts stand and remain. It's easy to delete one, but not everyone and we're not trolls. If you were paying attention, Obama was so desperate for this legacy that he basically turned everything over to insurance vultures to get it passed, a dumbass community organizer move. Ends don't justify the means. You can't watch television without seeing thousand of Geico or Progressive ads. since when have insurance companies have the extra scratch for tens of millions n ads per week? Since Obama. Sold his soul.

And where is the gay outrage for Barbra just getting millions from a fuckin' banker this week for 10 songs? The left is in bed with Wall Street while cynically gulling the liberal Occupy freaks. If Bush was bad, wtf is this?

by Anonymousreply 15011/13/2013

So cancel it and get one from the marketplace R150.

by Anonymousreply 15111/13/2013

[R142] posted and deleted on this thread because I dared mentioned the Clintons are getting out front on this idiotic health plan. It's so liberal to squelch free speech. Insurance companies incredible support for this plan should have clued even the stupid that something was rotten from the beginning. Didn't anyone here wonder why 99% of Wall St money in last two cycles went to Obama--not the Rethugs?

by Anonymousreply 15211/13/2013

...beans, beans, the magical fruit!

by Anonymousreply 15311/13/2013

[R150] Tried tried tried. $ best offer is $2400 per month with major league deductions. I can get a complimentary sex change, however,, gratis.

The international press is all over this as anyone with a computer around the world is goofing and gaming free insurance.

by Anonymousreply 15411/13/2013

Hmmm R154 funny, I'm getting it for 160.00 per month.

by Anonymousreply 15511/13/2013

Funny thing how the freepers are the originators of the ACA, and hate this for ONE reason. Black Man!

by Anonymousreply 15611/13/2013

Odd too that they claim to not be freepers but if you trolldar them they are curiously absent from any other threads except ones having to do with the ACA or Obama.

by Anonymousreply 15711/13/2013


by Anonymousreply 15811/13/2013

Worse than losing a stupid plan, people are losing their doctors.

by Anonymousreply 15911/13/2013

i think prime time got turned on to stop the freeper sock puppet invasion. the shill posts have slowed to a trickle.

you know they were all coming from the same ISP.

by Anonymousreply 16011/14/2013

[R160] That's very tolerant and non-judgemental of you.

by Anonymousreply 16111/14/2013

Oh, hey freeper trolls!


by Anonymousreply 16211/14/2013

Hey I'm back. And yes we're still eating beans. Meanwhile my home just went up over 12% in the last month in the Bay Area. Not complaining about that mind you.

But yes, still complaining about the $1200 a month that we'll have to pay in January. Seems that the CA Ins Commissioner is also pretty pissed & wants the old plans extended past March 2014 as he negotiated the other day.

There's a lot of shit happening. CA has so many people that are not making a lot while at the same time, it has lots of people making tons. We're not in either category.

And most of the people who are poor are definitely of the Latino/Black variety, many are getting SNAP (aka food stamps), section 8, but there's a lot not getting welfare.

However, the problem is when the people in the solid middle class are asked to fund this, there's a problem. While we are house rich, we are poor.

As people have said, it is really hard to live here, but I was born here, my family goes back to the 1800's in California & due to our jobs we are not able to move. Also we're both over 30 but not old, & it's hard to get better paying jobs after 30 - anywhere.

Anyways, I'm not complaining about the house prices, we bought the house at the bottom of the market & it's appreciating like mad.

But, we still have no money, and we are definitely house rich, but very poor.

Go ahead, make fun of us, call us "bean eaters" or even "beaners" - go ahead, it makes you feel great, do it.

But that is the situation. We are broke.

by Anonymousreply 16311/15/2013

The blamer in chief will try to blame the insurance companies for his disastrous legislation. The public is starting to figure out how bad obamacare really is.

by Anonymousreply 16411/15/2013

I think the most disastrous parts of the legislation were all of the Republican concessions. This is the problem, as usual. Now the adults have to clean up their mess, while repukes point fingers! hilarious.

And you know what? The insurance companies have known for three years that the policies were going to be non-compliant, but sold them anyway.

It is most certainly the insurance companies fault.

In time, after all of the hand-wringing, and petty people doing their kvetching, we, as a country, will be so much better off.

by Anonymousreply 16511/15/2013

You're not just broke and eating beans, r163. You are a stone cold racist who resents "poor Latino/Black" people you think you are having to fund.

by Anonymousreply 16611/15/2013


by Anonymousreply 16711/15/2013


by Anonymousreply 16811/15/2013

racist beaneating troll alert.

by Anonymousreply 16911/15/2013

No doll, we CAN afford our house. We bought it at the bottom of the market, our first home, and currently we CAN afford it, but with the ACA we won't be able to.

by Anonymousreply 17011/15/2013

oh, yes, i HATE.

i hate fucking liars and racists is what i hate.

[quote]And most of the people who are poor are definitely of the Latino/Black variety, many are getting SNAP (aka food stamps), section 8, but there's a lot not getting welfare.

by Anonymousreply 17111/15/2013

If Obama had just stood there and just told everyone, the whole point of the new law is so the insurance companies can't cheat you anymore, they have minimum standards they must meet, and if your plan didn't meet those standards, they were just ripping you off -- and if every Democrat in Congress echoed the same talking points -- instead of this turning into, "ooooo, POTUS lied to us" and him apologizing over something that is for your own good, and looking weak and confused, it could be spun quite victoriously as "the Democrats are protecting the insured from questionable, predatory insurance companies."

Oh no, we have to protect those sleazy insurance CEO s from embarrassment!

by Anonymousreply 17211/15/2013

It's actually much more complicated than that R 172.

I chose a high deductible/HSA compatible plan knowing what I could afford and what I couldn't. It wasn't catastropnic coverage at all, but with the new minimums and maximums etc the new policy will cost me $6000 a year MORE than I currently pay as a 60 year old in the individual market.

I don't qualify for any subsidy, but premiums next year will be 12% of my income. Which means I'm technically exempt from the mandate. Only problem is that I was just diagnosed with cancer.

I too thought all the noise was just media and Republican backlash, but I now see first hand that many people including me are really going to be seriously penalized in the transition. I don't know yet how I can afford the new policy.

by Anonymousreply 17311/15/2013

The day after Obama's first election The Republicans made a vow to make him a one term president. That hatred will never subside & he must not forget those that take glee in his failures. He always have to watch his backside & make sure he doesn't make mistakes.

by Anonymousreply 17411/15/2013

What did you expect.

Insurance companies have no business being in healthcare. Obama works with them not against them. If its not this, it will be another. They are companies existing to maximize profits not well-being. They will find ways to spend as little as possible.

This is just the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 17511/15/2013

WTF. Insurance companies--check the stock market idiots--are complicit in the plan. Can't you read or research? After the intro of the bill, and the insurance companies balking en mass, there was a meeting at WH after which all (read morons: ALL!) insurance companies and wall street and banking interests were suddenly all aboard. 100 percent. Sell out by WH. Every frigging benefit possible was ceded to insurance companies. Cui bono, dummies? Haven't heard any complaints about this fiasco from insurance companies, have you? Cite one insurance company. Amateurs.

by Anonymousreply 17611/15/2013

What do Repubs, outnumbered and outvoted, have to do with this disaster? Idiots.

The emotional name calling troll rants: who are you irrational douches? 10 year olds on your parents Apple 2 in the basement, without any worry since it's Daddy's insurance policy anyway.

Facts in politics equal votes. No matter how many Repubs hate him, as Dims hated Bush, fools, they didn't vote on this bill.

So, you think by not voting the Repubs expressed their desire to destroy Obama? WTF! Explain this genius logic.

by Anonymousreply 17711/15/2013

Logic? If they're canceling, it's obviously allowable under OBAM'S ACA!

He gave them the opportunity in his law, wtf don't you understand about politics and the law?

by Anonymousreply 17811/15/2013

Repubs are obstructionist minority (as allowed by constitution, btfw) and evil under god-golfer Obama.


Dims acting exactly the same are the principled loyal opposition under Bush.

Stupid is.

Should one have at least a GED before posting?

by Anonymousreply 17911/15/2013

And if you are right, why is Howard Dean--plus Hillary and especially Bill--calling this a disaster.

by Anonymousreply 18011/15/2013

Not one word from Rethugs is there? Why attack an enemy when he's doing such a good job at killing himself?

by Anonymousreply 18111/15/2013

Obama is drowning right now.

by Anonymousreply 18211/15/2013

R173, what's your income? My guess is that you have the money but would rather spend it elsewhere.

And, honestly, the ACA has made it so your insurance company can't cancel you because you've got cancer. They also are limited in how much they can charge you based on your age. And, no more lifetime limits, so they won't stop any treatment you start because you've reached your limit.

I mean, really, if a $6000 increase in your premiums still only brings your total up to 12% of your income, pay it. Don't worry, people like me who are scraping by working full-time for less than $20,000 a year will soon be supporting you on Medicare.

by Anonymousreply 18311/15/2013

My income is about $60K before taxes; I'm not poor--that may seem like alot-- but I do have a mortgage and taxes, maintenance costs and other living expenses, car payments, and debts from being out of work and in early retirement that make an EXTRA unplanned $6K in insurance costs plus a higher out of pocket limit extremely tight.

I will likely have to take money from my 401K with penalties to pay all the new costs. There isn't that much discretionary income in my budget. So no, I really don't have the income to fully cover all the additional costs.

It will certianly mean no vacations, eating out and very little entertainment.

We'll see what happens by the renewal date next August; things could change by then. I'm not ranting; just sharing that the real costs of the new premiums may really be too high for many people who don't qualify for subsidies.

And the law exempts you from the mandate to buy insurance if the premiums are more than 10% of your income. That's fine, but then you are still without insurance.

by Anonymousreply 18411/15/2013

r173 {quote}Only problem is that I was just diagnosed with cancer.

you do realize that with cancer your bills could be 200% of your income without obamacare? what was the catastrophic coverage deductible and what is their lifetime maximum? i'm hoping obamacare turns out to be a good thing for you. last thing you need is stress over money.

be well.

by Anonymousreply 18511/16/2013

thanks for your generous concern 185. it is NOT just catastrophic coverage. The deductible is $3500 and there is no lifetime limit. So I feel grateful to have it. Next year's policy has a $6000 higher premium and something like a $6500 deductible. So its worse all around.

by Anonymousreply 18611/16/2013

My individual insurance isn't changing or being cancelled. However,they raised me $12.00 a month, which is okay. United healthcare policy, had it for a decade.

They sent me a letter, stating it is ACA compliant and they hoped I would stay with them.

by Anonymousreply 18711/16/2013


by Anonymousreply 18811/16/2013

R171 - Why are you calling him/her a racist?

Obama set the progressive agenda back 50 years. OBAMA lied lied lied. If the Republicans get their act together and come up with a decent plan - we'll never see another democratic president for the next 50 years.

by Anonymousreply 18911/17/2013

Funny how you don't call out Bill and Hillary, who managed to pass nothing but set back "the progressive agenda." I can't figure out what your 50 year obsession is - they set "the agenda" back 14 years, since that's how long it took to make healthcare reform a viable political issue again.

So it's strange that you give them a free pass. I think r171 can help you figure out why.

by Anonymousreply 19011/17/2013

You're right R190. My 50 year obsession isn't correct. More like 75 years.

Don't mention Bill Clinton in the same breath as the incompetent, aloof and embarrassing Obama.

2016 can't come soon enough.

by Anonymousreply 19111/17/2013

god you trolls are dumb. you really think

[quote]And most of the people who are poor are definitely of the Latino/Black variety, many are getting SNAP (aka food stamps), section 8,

is not racist? when it's been proven over and over again, that the majority of people getting government benefits are in fact white?

and r177-r181, it is ironic you think one should have to have a GED before posting, when you so obviously don't. WTF is that gibberish?

by Anonymousreply 19211/17/2013


by Anonymousreply 19311/18/2013

Just got notice from my individual insurance provider yesterday -- the premium is going up by 40 percent. (I haven't used it a single time all year -- in fact, in the 17 years I've had it, I've used it a grand total of four times, for physicals.) This 40 percent increase isn't unprecedented by any means … it's happened 3 or 4 times and I've always increased my deductible as a result. (The premium has never gone up by less than 10 percent from year to year.)

So I really don't understand all the bellyaching about Obamacare … ridiculous annual price increases and plan adjustments have always been a cornerstone of the individual insurance market.

by Anonymousreply 19411/19/2013

Indeed. You should really shop around on the exchange if you can, r194.

by Anonymousreply 19511/19/2013

And get more physicals R194 - 4 in 17 years - you must be a mess by now!

by Anonymousreply 19611/19/2013

LOL, R196 -- carrying my own insurance has made me hyper-aware of my physical status. I eat ridiculously clean, I exercise religiously, and I monitor my blood pressure and cholesterol in between physicals at free community screenings. I also see the dentist twice a year and the optometrist once a year (neither of which is covered by insurance). At the age of 50, nothing's amiss yet (knock on wood).

And I'm nothing like my grandpa, who never saw a doctor between the ages of 17 (for an army physical) and 89, when he started showing signs of dementia.

I am definitely going to check the exchanges.

by Anonymousreply 19711/19/2013

The bad news just keeps coming. The longer it takes to repeal this horrible law, the more it will damage the country.

by Anonymousreply 19811/19/2013

[quote]Obamacare regulations are basically minimums, not picky specifics. If you had a reasonable policy, it would qualify.


Yes, as a gay man I'm thrilled I can get gynecological exams and birth control pills with my new insurance...and it only costs $312 MORE per month than my recently cancelled policy!

by Anonymousreply 19911/19/2013

[quote]If the Republicans get their act together and come up with a decent plan

Obamacare *is* the Republican plan. They have nothing else to offer.

by Anonymousreply 20011/19/2013

r198 is brain damaged.

by Anonymousreply 20111/20/2013

[bold]CBS News: 61 Percent Of Americans Disapprove Of Obamacare[/bold]

And it's 100% owned by the Democrats.

The midterms will be a bloodbath.

by Anonymousreply 20211/20/2013

Dear R202: I'll be so happy when you're forced to eat your words in 2014. Provided that wingnuts are physically capable of shame.

by Anonymousreply 20311/20/2013

Well, I was one of the lucky ones who was able to log on to the site and enroll in a plan. This was on October 13. I was given an ID number for the system, and I was marked as Enrolled.

I am also lucky in that my full premium will be covered by my subsidy. The site says that "you must make your first payment" to the Insurance company to get your policy information.

Since my subsidy covers my premium in full, I went to the site earlier this month to find out when the subsidy would be sent to Anthem.

I was told that I needed to call Anthem. I said if they haven't received my subsidy, they won't know me. The "helpful" person just continued to read from the script, call Anthem.I tried calling a few times hoping to get a real answer, but each person gave me the same scripted answer.

I finally gave up and called Anthem (after finding the number myself because the number given to me on the website didn't exist)....they never heard of me (and was sent to 4 different departments), and they don't know when any subsidy will reach them.

SO I don't know if I will have a healthcare policy on January 1 or not.

Does anyone know who I contact to find out when subsidy payments will be made to the Insurance companies?

by Anonymousreply 20411/20/2013

United Technologies/National Journal Poll:

Amid all of the turmoil surrounding the law, solid majorities of Americans continue to say they believe it will “make things better” for people who do not have health insurance (63 percent) and the poor (59 percent). In each case, that’s a slight improvement in the overall judgment since the July poll.

35 percent say we should "wait and see how things go before making any changes" to Obamacare and another 23 percent back "providing more money so the laws is implemented effectively."

by Anonymousreply 20511/20/2013

A new and independent analysis of ObamaCare warns of a ticking time bomb, predicting a second wave of 50 million to 100 million insurance policy cancellations next fall -- right before the mid-term elections.

by Anonymousreply 20611/20/2013

I don't understand these 'cancellations', my existing policy is fine and will be fine. All this cancellation hysteria is manufactured bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 20711/20/2013

"A new and independent analysis of ObamaCare warns of a ticking time bomb"

Link, please...


by Anonymousreply 20811/20/2013

Keep in mind: while some of these roll-out problems are real, most are being exacerbated by a) Republicans and b) the insurance companies, both of whom fought this law tooth and nail because it focuses on getting people covered rather than on increasing their profits.

Stop perpetuating the Repug propaganda machine.

by Anonymousreply 20911/20/2013

right r207 Cause if it isn't happening to you, it isn't happening at all.

by Anonymousreply 21011/20/2013


Where's your link?

by Anonymousreply 21111/20/2013

There's more bad news to come. We already know that Obama lied when he said we could keep our insurance if we wanted to. Well, he also lied when he said we could keep our doctors if we wanted to. So another uproar should be coming.

November 2014 can't come soon enough. I'm not the only gay man to know that just because someone panders to my fellow gays to get what he wants (in this case, votes and contributions), it doesn't mean he has our best interests at heart.

by Anonymousreply 21211/20/2013

you are an idiot of the highest order, PCF.

by Anonymousreply 21311/20/2013

My company, based in California, employs 600. We used to insure about 250 of our employees. The rest opted out. The company paid 50% of their premiums for about $750,000/yr.

Under obamacare, none can opt out without penalty, and the rates are double or triple, depending upon the plan. Our 750k for 250 employees is going to $2 million per year for 600 employees.

By mandate, we have to pay 91.5% of the premium or more up from the 50% we used to pay.

Our employees share of the premium goes from $7/week for the cheapest plan to $30/week. 95% of my employees were on that plan. Remember, we used to pay 50% now we pay 91.5% and the premiums still go up that much!!

The cheapest plan now has a deductible of $6350! Before it was $150. Employees making $9 to $10/hr, have to pay $30/wk and have a $6350 deductible!!! What!!!!

They can't afford that to be sure. Obamacare will kill their propensity to seek medical care. More money for less care? How does that help them?

Here is the craziest part. Employees who qualify for mediCAL (the California version of Medicare), which is most of my employees, will automatically be enrolled in the Federal SNAP program. They cannot opt out. They cannot decline. They will be automatically enrolled in the Federal food stamp program based upon their level of Obamacare qualification. Remember, these people work full time, living in a small town in California. They are not seeking assistance. It all seems like a joke. How can this be the new system?

Pelosi, pass the bill to find out what's in it? Surprise! You've annihilated the working class.

by Anonymousreply 21411/20/2013


by Anonymousreply 21511/20/2013

Meet Jessica Sanford. Upon the rollout of Obamacare she was 1 of maybe 5 people in the entire nation who was able to access the website and actually sign up through one of the state exchanges. In her case, it was the Washington exchange.

She was so thrilled about her purchase that she wrote a letter to President Barrack Obama expressing her undying gratitude.

Since her letter was quite possibly the only positive letter the Administration received, the President proudly read it aloud during his Obamacare speech on October 21st.

The only problem is that a few days later she was repriced out of Obamacare. So she’s now uninsured again…

by Anonymousreply 21611/20/2013

Train Wreck.

by Anonymousreply 21711/20/2013

What scares me is an elected official will state in the press that our elected officials have to pass something to FIND OUT what they've passed. It's no long stretch to imagine they will take an action JUST to find out what happens next. Why? Because THEY HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

If this doesn't keep you up at night, pretty much nothing will phase you and you truly deserve the bed you've made for your future.

by Anonymousreply 21811/20/2013

This is what I found out today, though the House voted for repeal with 30 D's voting for the repeal, the Senate is not going to bring it up at all. Harry Reid had a meeting with Obama on the 13th and Reid stated he's not bringing this bill forward, publicly. Plus, the President said he'd veto it.

Which means that 2014 is going to shove out the following - Landrieu, possibly Merkley in OR (based on the performance of CA district 45 in CA which just had an election, it is a 2 to 1 D majority district & the D is winning by just 171 votes so far, they're still counting), the AR D is gone, I believe the count is 14 D's are in trouble, and more will be bounced in purple states.

When 50-100m people are getting bounced soon and within the year right before the elections, we are going to have an R Senate and an R House. The President will be the only D in WA DC.

by Anonymousreply 21911/20/2013

Hey, Freepers!

Suck it, you losers.

My policy is going to be half what I am paying now.

by Anonymousreply 22011/20/2013

Obamacare and the Three Heads

In a large-scale, well-managed IT project, there are three key roles that need to be filled by three different people who are each talented, qualified, tough-nosed, and given commensurate authority. Actual titles may vary a bit, but the roles themselves are well-known:

Project Manager. This person manages the personnel (and sub-organizations) on the entire project; she also manages the project schedule and feature list, determining what functionality will be available in the first and then subsequent releases of the system under development. She negotiates with the customer over both schedule and functionality, but is unflinchingly honest in explaining the system’s current status and how long it will take to deliver an acceptable version.

Chief Architect. This person is responsible for the conceptual unity (to use Fred Brooks’s phrase) of the overall system under development. She is responsible for ensuring that all the various components (and developers) of the system adhere to the necessary set of design and implementation principles so that the system will function as designed.

Director of Quality Assurance. This person is responsible for the full range of quality assurance activities that surround the project. More importantly, she is the gatekeeper, the one — and the only one — who allows the system under development to move into alpha, beta, candidate, and deployment stages.

The three need to work together, and the Project Manager is ultimately responsible for the tough calls — such as dropping a feature or deferring some number of defects to be fixed until after launch.

As far as I can tell — from the documents that have come out in the seven weeks since its disastrous launch — none of these three roles existed (or, at least, were filled by competent and qualified people) in the project.

Much has been revealed already about the wretched, late, and missing testing of, not to mention the decision to push into full public release in spite of clear indications that it was not ready for prime time. The fact that so many major defects have been found after the fact likewise indicates a profound lack of SQA efforts and the almost certain lack of a QA Director, or at least one with appropriate skills and authority.

There has been no indication that the project ever had a true chief software architect; Henry Chao, who actually has the title of deputy chief information officer, has been pointed to in some articles as being the chief architect, but CIO and chief software architect are vastly different roles, and Chao’s LinkedIn profile gives no indication of actual software engineering and architecture talents.

Now, the latest documents to come out show that the project lacked a overall project manager as well:

The consulting firm suggested that some of the project’s troubles occurred because there was “no single empowered decision-making authority,” or person in charge, who could make changes or define what constituted success.

One industry source close to the project, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter frankly, said this lack of an overarching project leader complicated the system’s development because contractors received “absolutely conflicting direction between the various entities within CMS.”

Once again, I find myself saying: is there anything on this project that was done right?


Just saw this video clip of Chao testifying before Congress. I am staggered by his admissions here about how much of the overall system is not built yet, including the payment system:

(Even though Chao appears to be saying that there’s 60 to 70% left to build, I think his later comments reflect that he meant that the overall system was 60-70% done.)

Note that payments must be made by December 15th in order for coverage to start by January 1st.

by Anonymousreply 22111/20/2013

conspiracy theory leaning libertarian gobbledegook = zero hedge manifesto

by Anonymousreply 22211/21/2013

The fact that freepers and Log Cabin idiots on this site are complaining so much must mean the ACA is doing some good. Remember that the old system was based on millions of people not being covered and the insurance companies making train loads of money. Change is not always good for everybody but the old, broken system had to be fixed.

by Anonymousreply 22311/21/2013

[quote]Plus, the President said he'd veto it.

That's not really a "plus".

That's it, plain and simple.

Why bring anything up for a vote when it's just political grandstanding?

The Democrats in the House who voted with Boehner know this. They simply live in districts where it makes sense for them to do so politically.

The Republicans know that Obamacare is here to stay unless they can must a 2/3 majority in both the House and the Senate.

And here's why that simply won't happen: 170 House Democrats are in safe seats out of 435 total. You would have to peel off 27 of them to repeal.

As for the Senate, repeal would never survive cloture but even if it did, you could not get 34 Democrats to vote for repeal.

The very worst that can happen is a tweaking of certain elements.

The horse is out of the barn.

And headed straight towards single payer.

Everybody needs to look at the math and calm the fuck down.

by Anonymousreply 22411/21/2013

Obamacare Then, Affordable Care Act Now

The term “Obamacare” has largely disappeared from the mouths of Democrats as the president’s health care reform law has gone from a rallying cry to a political grenade.

by Anonymousreply 22511/21/2013

So I guess NOBODY knows when or if the subsidies get paid to the insurance companies.....

by Anonymousreply 22611/21/2013

Keep fucking that chicken, wingnut shills. The ACA is here to stay.

by Anonymousreply 22711/21/2013

[R220] You think? Well, my premiums doubled and my maximum out-of-pocket before insurance kicks in quadrupled. That's right, four times what it was. I'm shafted. Also, I may never vote for a Democrat again.

by Anonymousreply 22811/21/2013


[quote] 170 House Democrats are in safe seats out of 435 total. You would have to peel off 27 of them to repeal.

As the failures of mount (and they are mounting, fast) all of those "safely D" HoRep seats come into play. At this point, no politician running in 2014 is safe. The Dems could lose 100+ seats unless this thing is fixed...and it can't be fixed.

Republicans are evil, and they suck up to the big banks and big corporations even more than the Dems, but this debacle is a game changer. Behind the scenes they are in a panic. The "big boys" from Microsoft and Google they've brought in to fix the site have all walked away and told them it has to be scrapped and started again from scratch.

Sebelius is THISCLOSE to resigning, and only hanging on so she can take the fall. She's pissed that she's the "fall guy" but is trying.

I know this place is usually a Hollywood gossip site, and even then insiders get shut down, so I suspect that I'll be called a "freeper"---but the stuff that's coming out is going to be even worse than you can imagine. Republicans are going to have a field day with this.

by Anonymousreply 22911/21/2013

[R229] "I suspect that I'll be called a "freeper"---"

You say that like it's a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 23011/21/2013


Just like I said- unless (D)s turn against ACA fast they risk losing a generation of voters.

The moron at r222 is retardededated.

The coverage of Obamacare at ZeroHedge is non-partisan, but retarderettes like you must be too stupid to actually read.

by Anonymousreply 23111/21/2013

R230, or PCR-

It depends on why you call yourself a freeper.

If freeper means being smart enough to see that our government is controlled by the big banks and megacorps, or that laws about gay marriage and gambling and prostitution and drugs are bullshit, or that murdering innocent people in third world countries is wrong---well, then I'm a freeper.

If it means supporting Republicans, then fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 23211/21/2013

They completely have no clue on what they do. And this goes for both parties. They need to be in the same healthcare system as the average American and then maybe they will make sure it's designed to work before foisting it on the public. They are too removed from the average American. There are too many career politicians. Our system was not designed to be lead by career politicians. They have voted themselves so many perks over time, they get in the government system of taking care of themselves first and then are no longer able to relate to their constituents. They need to be in the healthcare exchange and then maybe they will grow a brain and set the system up to be viable. Right now it's a bomb. Your young and healthy and working are avoiding it like the plague. If the young and healthy and working are not participating, it will death spiral. All your tender well wishes cannot disguise the fact that the sick and needy cannot float this boat alone.

by Anonymousreply 23311/21/2013








by Anonymousreply 23411/21/2013

I smell the stench of the libertarian idiot troll(TM).

by Anonymousreply 23511/21/2013


Agreed. Our government is evil and out of control.

A compromise would be what many SEAsian countries have- a basic minimum health care, with catastrophic insurance, and a "pay as you go" tier. Too bad the insurance companies and big government health care lobby would never allow that here.


I too thought I smelled the stench of a miserable loser! Thanks for showing your smelly ass! How's that socialism working for ya?

by Anonymousreply 23611/21/2013

November surge in Obamacare signups:

by Anonymousreply 23711/22/2013

[R237] Not everyone who signed up completed the deal. Nationwide, only about 25,000 have succeeded in signing up. In fact, one third of the website hasn't even been built yet and they've had four years to do it.

This is a disaster on every conceivable and unceivable level. A number of small businesses may have to close shop because they can't afford insurance with Obamacare's massive requirements. Do you know what's worse than some 45 million people without insurance. Try 120 million who are angry because the government interfered with their right to have the insurance they chose and drove up their out-of-pocket costs and paperwork requirements.

If there's any justice, the 2014 elections will be a bloodbath for Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 23811/22/2013

Yes, R199, and as a childless woman I am equally thrilled to subsidize public schools for the children I never had. As well as all the government studies that led to the development of Viagra.

Suck it up. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 23911/22/2013

Sorry, R238, your (over)confidence routine isn't working. Republicans are clearly terrified shitless that Obamacare is going to be a success after all and then what are you going to do?

Voter fraud and gerrymandering and all your other dirty tricks may not be enough to help you out of the shithole you're going to find yourself in come November 2014 with voters who love their health insurance and the party that made it possible for them to get it.

by Anonymousreply 24011/22/2013

[quote]Republicans are clearly terrified shitless that Obamacare is going to be a success after all and then what are you going to do

Ha. Hahahhahaha. Hahaha HAHAHAHA ha!


Fuck the Republicans. They're almost as bad as the Democrats.

But if you are seriously too stupid to see that Obamacare is imploding, nothing will change your simple "mind". The fact that the "big boys" from Google and Microsoft they brought in to fix it ALL walked away and said it was unfixable must be too much for you to handle.

This is the biggest gift to the ReTHUGlicans ever.

by Anonymousreply 24111/22/2013


by Anonymousreply 24211/23/2013

We need to support Obama, NO MATTER WHAT!

by Anonymousreply 24311/23/2013

Despite the hysterical media coverage, which is in sharp contrast to their treatment of the rollout of Medicare Part D or the Iraq War, how exactly is Obamacare a disaster?

Sure, the website is making matters difficult. Yes, some people are going to lose coverage that cost a lot and didn't really cover anything. But now people have an alternative to disastrous individual plan market, plans have to meet extremely reasonable criteria, and people who couldn't afford coverage now can.

I don't think the ACA goes nearly far enough. But to call it a disaster is to ignore the realities of the existing market. Premiums were increasing without any reins on the insurance companies, plans were predatory, and people were dropped for pre-existing conditions. How is Obamacare worse than the failing marketplace it reformed?

by Anonymousreply 24411/23/2013

[quote]How's that socialism working for ya?

Oh, honey. Like the word "fascism", "socialism" doesn't get to be retooled into "things I don't like".

And thanks for confirming it's you. It means that part of the ACA pushback is coming from batshit-crazy libertartian fuckwits, and therefore means nothing.

by Anonymousreply 24511/23/2013

This entire mess really pisses me off.

I was hoping the ACA was a step in the right direction - but I think the roll out has really damaged the future for this program. I think President Obama knows this - which is the primary reason why the open enrollment period for 2015 was postponed to after the 2014 elections.

1) We now know not only was he lying about people keeping their policies if they wanted to - there were even internal discussions as to whether or not they could get away with saying this. The decision was they had to - or else the plan wouldn't pass.

2) There were all kinds of red flags that the implementation of the federal exchange wasn't going well.

3) No action was taken after the Supreme Court gutted the mandatory expanded Medicaid program.

What are we left with? A conservative solution to healthcare crafted by the insurance industry and the Heritage Foundation - which leaves the working poor uninsured.

by Anonymousreply 24611/23/2013

I agree R246. I had high hopes as well and it is an utter disaster.

This is what happens when you have an incompentent President who never ran ANYTHING is his entire life plus a more incompetent HHS Secretary and her bufoonish staff trying do do this.

They hire a Canadian firm who had 3 years to get a website up and still fail? Why a Canadian firm?

I built a fairly complex website in 2 weeks and it works! Granted it's not but I did it myself and it didn't cost me anything.

The ones who get screwed are the people who really need this.

by Anonymousreply 24711/23/2013

Bush is looking really better and better.

When Medicare Part D (which was passed solely to win Bush the senior vote) was rolled out, the website failed and seniors had their prescriptions cancelled.

$8 billion was lost due to waste in the Iraq War. Another $6 billion was lost for over 7 years. 500,000 civilians died, even though the Bush administration refused to count or acknowledge them.

Katrina. Guantanamo. Waterboarding. Demonizing same sex couples.

Are you fucking kidding me?

by Anonymousreply 24811/23/2013

R248 I wish Obama was just "wasting" billions. He's in the TRILLIONS

Benghazi, IRS, Drones, Spying, and last but not least Obamacare - PLUS he's keeping the wars going and did not close Guantanamo Bay - after 5 fucking years.

Are YOU fucking kidding me??!?!

Obamacare - if implemented - will kill its fair share of people.

Better stay healthy.

by Anonymousreply 24911/23/2013

Your post is ridiculous, r249. How exactly is Obamacare, which provides better coverage to more people, going to kill its "fair share" of people.

Your listing of disproven Fox talking points will persuade no one on this site. Perhaps you miss the irony that the Bush Administration blueprinted the spying and drone programs. Or perhaps you're just a troll.

The IRS and Benghazi - really? Why leave out Obama's birth certificate?

by Anonymousreply 25011/23/2013

I'll take Obama over Bush.

I wish Obama was a liberal, but he's not.

I think one of the differences between Presidents Clinton and Obama is executive experience.

But I can't think of anything Obama has done that makes Bush look better.

Sure some of the things I don't like about Obama are policies which he continued that were started during the Bush Administration. But how does that make Bush look better? I still think the policies are flawed.

I will tell you one thing that is giving me some hope for Obama and the ACA - when folks like R249 make ridiculous statements like "Obamacare - if implemented - will kill its fair share of people."

If the right keeps using lines like that they will look just as bad as they did during the government shutdown.

by Anonymousreply 25111/23/2013

Wow, the Rethug trolls are really out in force today.

They must be really terrified.

by Anonymousreply 25211/23/2013

After reading R252 reply - now I'm less optimistic.

I'm so tired of this idiotic position on the part of many Democrats that the opposition is somehow easily dismissed.

Even worse then Democrats dismiss the opposition and think core constituents won't stay home on election day. It is an idiotic belief - and one that dooms the Democratic Party to failure.

Let me give you an example. Celinda Lake did polling for HRC after the 1994 election. She discovered that LGBTs not only didn't vote but also didn't contribute funds. Why? One major reason was Clinton's unsolicited promise to allow LBBTs to serve in the US military turned in to DADT.

Of course the Republican position on LBBTs in the military was worse than DADT. But honestly get Clinton in front of the community to explain he fucked-up. Don't send Barney Frank out to do your dirty work and think people will listen.

Eveytime someone writes "Rethug" it undoes the damage done by someone who writes Obamacare will kill people.

by Anonymousreply 25311/23/2013


Are you really blaming this failure on Rethuglicans?

Obama had 3 years to make sure the site was 100% and now it looks like they will have to shut it down and start over, wasting $600B in tax money.

by Anonymousreply 25411/23/2013

We should all be mad as hell and NOT gloss over the damage Obamacare has inflicted so far - real or perceived.

As R254 pointed out 3 years and over $600B for a website. Incompetancy and waste at its worst.

by Anonymousreply 25511/24/2013

I'm mad as hell at asshats like r255, that do nothing but kvetch over the obvious faults, but neglect to mention all of the positive effects that have and are going on with the ACA that is making the USA a better place.

by Anonymousreply 25611/24/2013

R256 - OK. Fair point. Covering pre-existing conditions is great.

What else.

by Anonymousreply 25711/24/2013

they are just faux concern trolls, some might even be being paid to troll websites criticizing the ACA,; pay them no mind, or ask for specific links to back up their often spurious claims.

by Anonymousreply 25811/24/2013

R256 - It won't matter what positive effects the ACA will have in the long run. The horrific rollout has done permanent damage and the "young and healthy" people will never sign up and it will go away. There was testimony by people who actually know what they are doing that there are serious security issues with the site as well and your personal information is at risk.

If there was a perfect rollout and just sticker shock, that could have been overcome. Not this.

You seem not to be able to figure this out or won't admit it.

by Anonymousreply 25911/24/2013

Yep..don't agree so you are a troll.

Typical DL. Can't fix stupid.

by Anonymousreply 26011/24/2013


Massachusetts isn't complaining.

by Anonymousreply 26111/24/2013

The new requirements mandate coverage of everything. So someone may have tailored their coverage to get a cheaper rate. For instance a man does not need prenatal care and would be able to get cheaper coverage without it. But now prenatal is a requirement for all plans. Thus it is not more expensive for women of child bearing age.

by Anonymousreply 26211/24/2013

[quote]What else.

How about helping millions of people who never had health insurance have peace of mind knowing one medical crisis won't force them into bankruptcy? I think anyone with a soul would agree that alone makes Obamacare a massive success.

Now compare that to the Rethugs whose answer to the healthcare crisis in this country is ... wait for it ... oh, wait, never mind. You don't have one.

Seriously, Asshat, you and your fellow trolls need to give it up. What you're too stupid to realize -- or just unwilling to admit -- is that whether Obamacare succeeds or not, YOUR PARTY IS OVER. You're toast, sweetie. The world is changing and all the people you hate (blacks, gays, women, Jews, Latinos, the old, the young, the sick, the poor, and anything else that's not white, male, wealthy and straight) are banding together more and more to take you bitches down. (And don't bother pretending this is news to you: why else do you work so hard to suppress people's voting rights and change geography in your favor so you can try to steal elections.) So try to destroy Obamacare all you like, it still won't do you and your ilk any good. The rotting corpses that make up the Rethug/Tea Party are hurtling toward their inevitable burial whether that website ever works or not.

Now what else YOU got?

by Anonymousreply 26311/24/2013

i positively ADORE r263!

swooning as i type.

by Anonymousreply 26411/24/2013

tag r260 and enjoy the laughs.

by Anonymousreply 26511/24/2013

lastly, r260, read this then come back and defend it if you can (which you cannot).

by Anonymousreply 26611/24/2013

Blind party politics is nothing new, but the Republican Obamacare “playbook” demonstrates the new depths of cynicism and partisanship of Republican efforts to sway the American perspective and dialogue.

by Anonymousreply 26711/24/2013

You might also add r260 and its many posts to the depths of cynicism. The entire program by 2019 is expected to cost about $700 billion. Yet, r260 asserts that the website cost $600 billion, overstating the cost 1,000 times. A figure that r260 posted twice.

Please provide a shrapnel of evidence why we should take your hysterics serious, r260. And please tell us how much you are paid per post.

by Anonymousreply 26811/24/2013

waiting with baited breath for the links!

by Anonymousreply 26911/24/2013

...hours later, still waiting, r260! :>

by Anonymousreply 27011/24/2013

huh R270? Huh?

by Anonymousreply 27111/24/2013

re-read r268, r271.

r260 asserts the website cost $600 billion.

I am asking him/her to provide a link to prove that.

by Anonymousreply 27211/24/2013

...and nothing.


by Anonymousreply 27311/25/2013

Freepers are such liars. Even though the site didn’t cost upwards of $600 million (faux distortion) or 600 billion ( freeper lie) to build, many are still questioning why —*** with the $93.7 million tag *** — it still wasn’t up to the task on Oct 1. Part of the reason was...ta da, lack of proper funding, and a really big part was the uncooperative States that totally ignored the roll out. The successful roll outs are obvious, like California and Kentucky. The partisan gridlock created by the Republican party is the biggest issue. Our government is designed to work, when both parties cooperate. The immature games by the republicans are costing the tax payers more than money, it's costing them their health.

The flaw of the website is obvious, which is a flaw that President Obama owns. The truth though, is an important piece that never seems to be heard in the jockeying political punditry.

Yet, shutting down the government at 24 billion dollar cost is virtually ignored by the republican pundits...which makes a reasonable person wonder WTF!

by Anonymousreply 27411/25/2013

here's a link. may be worse than we thought.

by Anonymousreply 27511/25/2013

r27t, you provide a *Newsmax* link to a vague, factually challenged discussion of how the costs of individual plans might not be what the website estimates. This is unrelated to the discussion - which was about the total cost of the program and the website.

The problem with Republicans is not merely their stupidity - it's that their stupidity lets Democrats off the hook with middle-of-the-road solutions.

Please try to keep up.

by Anonymousreply 27611/25/2013

Obama and his minions must be getting scared. Obama delayed the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections. The fact that they're no longer calling it Obamacare speaks volumes. I hope that gays join the rest of the public in wising up on the raw deal Obamacare really is.

by Anonymousreply 27711/25/2013

Keep fucking that chicken, R277.

by Anonymousreply 27811/25/2013

r278 why don't you "keep fucking that chicken"? How many times will you be repeating that on DL?

You are the "KFTC" Troll after all. It doesn't make you sound smart but extremely uneducated.

by Anonymousreply 27911/25/2013

haven't been on the DL for about a week, adn the freeper trolls are still a buzzin'.

they are really scared because when insurance company rebate checks hit next year and most of the underinsured finally find out that they get better coverage for the same money, the GOP know they are toast.

obamacare is working in california and it's working in kentucky of all places, so if it can work in those disparate states, it will work everywhere

by Anonymousreply 28011/26/2013

read it and weep, freeps.

by Anonymousreply 28111/26/2013

ha ha ha ha ha!!!


ha ha ha ha ha!!!

by Anonymousreply 28211/26/2013

"Almost 80 million people with employer health plans could find their coverage canceled because they are not compliant with ObamaCare, several experts predicted.

Their losses would be in addition to the millions who found their individual coverage cancelled for the same reason.

Stan Veuger of the American Enterprise Institute said that in addition to the individual cancellations, "at least half the people on employer plans would by 2014 start losing plans as well." There are approximately 157 million employer health care policy holders.

Avik Roy of the Manhattan Institute added, "the administration estimated that approximately 78 million Americans with employer sponsored insurance would lose their existing coverage due to the Affordable Care Act."

by Anonymousreply 28311/26/2013

You do realize the right wing "news sources" you're quoting would rather you be dead or cured in an ex-gay camp, right? Why would you give them any authority whatsoever?

by Anonymousreply 28411/26/2013

[quote]You are the "KFTC" Troll after all. It doesn't make you sound smart but extremely uneducated.

It's a damn shame that you're too dense to understand what the phrase means, and choose instead to confuse endlessly repeated bullshit and disinformation with fact.

by Anonymousreply 28511/26/2013

Oh, and R279? Since you're one of the people spreading bullshit and disinformation on this thread, do fuck off and die.

by Anonymousreply 28611/26/2013

Reports from inside the health care bureaucracy are also turning towards optimism. People who knew the Web site was going to be a mess on Oct. 1st are, for the first time, beginning to think HealthCare.Gov might work. Data backs them up: By mid-November, the pace of enrollment in the federal exchanges had doubled from what it was in October.

by Anonymousreply 28711/26/2013

2 minutes of truth

by Anonymousreply 28811/26/2013

"Almost 80 million people with employer health plans could find their coverage canceled because they are not compliant with ObamaCare, several experts predicted.

Stan Veuger of the American Enterprise Institute said that in addition to the individual cancellations, "at least half the people on employer plans would by 2014 start losing plans as well."

And then somebody with a functioning brain said, "Then their employers will simply buy new plans to supplant the old ones."

by Anonymousreply 28911/26/2013

anyone quoting "The American Enterprise Institute" is more than a few cards short of a full deck.

by Anonymousreply 29011/26/2013

It still doesn't work.

by Anonymousreply 29112/02/2013

Yep R291. Site still doesn't work.

To quote our President, "you can put lipstick on a pig - but it's still a pig".

by Anonymousreply 29212/02/2013


It ain't EVER gonna work.

by Anonymousreply 29312/02/2013

Just keep drinking the kool-aid. Everything will be fine if we believe in our government. No matter who is in power!

by Anonymousreply 29412/02/2013

R291/293: eat shit and die, shill.

Back here in reality, the truth is a bit more complicated.

by Anonymousreply 29512/02/2013

Sorry, R291/293. My bad, you're not a shill. Trolldar reveals that you're the resident Liberarian Idiot Troll, which qualifies any and all of your opinions as insane horseshit.

Carry on.

by Anonymousreply 29612/02/2013

R291 is me.

R292 is not.

Both of us are liberals who hate how the government has used the ACA to create more "crapitalism".

The current system is controlled by the big corporations that control the government. It's is evil.

Obamacare is just another manifestation of this crony capitalism-fascism.

Kinda like theEVIL Federal Reserve.

by Anonymousreply 29712/02/2013

So, I'm back, and fyi, we're the ones who HAD a $399 a month plan for both of us & live in the SF Bay Area. So, now we're going to have to pay $1039 a month for the gold plan because the $705 plan is shit, the $939 plan is not as bad but for $100 more we'll pay and get no deductible. And we're still eating beans.

And yes, I'm still pissed, and I don't know how we're going to make it. But whatever, our house is going way way WAY up in value. I mean if we have to we could sell it & it would probably sell within a few hours. But we like living here, I'm a 5th generation Californian.

by Anonymousreply 29812/02/2013

Just finished the enrollment process and was quoted a very reasonably price for the bronze plan.

by Anonymousreply 29912/02/2013

Just don't get sick on the bronze plan r299 - you get 2 doctor visits, period. After that it's $80 per visit, $120 or $140 for urgent care, etc.

by Anonymousreply 30012/02/2013


You are a part of the VAST majority of people losing their health care plans.

The VAST majority now have their premiums go from $100/mo to $700/mo. They cannot stand how bad it is.

It is killing the middle class. Our government overlords couldn't care less- asking as they get their money, fuck the little guys.


Please go to the link

Or google ROTHBARD or MISES or LEWROCKWELL.COM and you will begin to understand how REAL economics works.

R Dale Fitzgerald

by Anonymousreply 30112/02/2013

I pretty much agree with you r301

by Anonymousreply 30212/02/2013

This thread is full of liars, Regressive shills, and trolls with a perverse interest in denegrating something that greatly will benefit 30 people for every one it negatively impacts. I can't understand why right winger are such sore losers.

by Anonymousreply 30312/02/2013

R301 is a Libertarian, in case you were tempted to take anything he had to say seriously.

by Anonymousreply 30412/02/2013

r301 is a LIEbertarian, because every word that comes out of a libertarian's mouth is a lie.

i hate these fucking bought and paid for trolls that infest teh datalounge, but not as much as the lying sack of shit r298 who is deliberately mis-comparing plans available now to teh piece of shit plan that he had before the ACA. i pay $550 a month for what is comparable to gold level plan, and did long before the ACA. you want good insurance, you have to pay for it, as i have done for many years.

AND SELL THAT HOUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN and stop bitching about healthcare and eating beans. it is not the president's fault you've made a choice to be house-rich/cash-poor to the point where you can't pay ordinary bills like health insurance and groceries.

by Anonymousreply 30512/02/2013

the ACA is working in both california and kentucky, proving that it isn't a matter of red state or blue state, merely a matter of actually having a state that cares whether most of its citizens can obtain meaningful healthcare coverage.

by Anonymousreply 30612/02/2013

more success stories every day.

by Anonymousreply 30712/03/2013

There is and never was any security built into Obamacare. Sign up and any hacker world wide can get your personal info, medical information.

by Anonymousreply 30812/03/2013

Don't let the trolls scare you from signing up. They're not going to support you if you need medical care. It's their job to tear things down, not help people, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 30912/03/2013

I learned from another thread that there is no medical info input in the Obamacare sign up. R308 is another lying troll trying to scare people from getting healthcare.

by Anonymousreply 31012/03/2013



by Anonymousreply 31112/04/2013

Cancer Patient Who Lost Insurance Now Being Audited by IRS

In what is either the worst coincidence in the history of mankind, or more likely a disgusting display of government corruption and malice – a man with cancer who was forced off of his insurance by Obamacare, and then had the gall to tell the world about it, is being investigated by the IRS. But wait! It gets worse! (I know… that doesn’t seem possible… but hold on.) When the dying man’s story became known, an insurance broker stepped in to help him. The broker intervened and convinced the insurance company to keep the man on because of his preexisting condition. Life saved. Now both the insurance broker and the man whose life he saved are being audited by the IRS! You can’t make this stuff up folks, because people wouldn’t believe it.

The man with cancer is a guy by the name of Bill Elliot, and when he learned that Obamacare was forcing him off of his coverage, he told the world. He also considered just paying the fine for not signing up with Obamacare, and allowing “nature take its course.” Megan Kelly and Fox News gave Mr. Elliot the chance to tell his story after he learned his insurance wouldn’t carry him anymore. Millions of Americans learned about Mr. Elliot’s sad case and the plight of millions of other people like him who were losing their insurance because of the horrible legislation that was Obamacare. C. Steven Tucker, an insurance broker, just happened to be watching Fox News that day and got in contact with Mr. Elliot as soon as he could. Soon he had convinced Mr. Elliot’s insurance company to keep him on because of his preexisting condition. Tucker had saved Bill Elliot’s life, even as the Obama administration had almost ended it. It was a black eye for the administration because millions of Americans could relate to what Mr. Miller was going through. So many of us have had family and friends suffer through or lose the battle against cancer… and to think of them losing their insurance in the midst of their trials broke all of our hearts. Now suddenly Bill Elliot is being audited for 2009 with an interview only scheduled in April 2014. Assuming he lives that long. That might be a coincidence, but Tucker is being audited back to 2003.

That’s a rather strange coincidence. I know, I know… this can’t be the whole story. There is no WAY the IRS would target people who have made things harder for President Obama and the Democrats. There is no way that the IRS could be used as a political tool against law abiding citizens!

Oh wait.

This is the same IRS that for several years was persecuting the Tea Party and other conservative groups. This is the same IRS that lied about targeting innocent, law abiding citizens who were simply trying to tell the truth. This is the same IRS that hasn’t yet been punished for any of the malfeasance they’ve committed over the last five years.

What a coincidence.

by Anonymousreply 31212/06/2013


Are you seriously suggesting that the government would target people who expose their incompetence?

That our government would attack citizens for exposing weaknesses and failures of government programs?

That they would use the IRS to attack them?

You're a crazy conspiracy theorist! Our government would never do that!

by Anonymousreply 31312/06/2013


Are you seriously suggesting that the government would target people who expose their incompetence?

That our government would attack citizens for exposing weaknesses and failures of government programs?

That they would use the IRS to attack them?

You're a crazy conspiracy theorist! Our government would never do that!

by Anonymousreply 31412/06/2013

paranoia, snowden-worshipper.

by Anonymousreply 31512/07/2013

link, please, r312.

where did you find this story?

by Anonymousreply 31612/07/2013

A cancer patient, who publicly discussed the cancellation of his insurance under ObamaCare, now says he has been informed by the Internal Revenue Service that he is going to be audited.

Bill Elliot appeared on Fox News on November 7th to discuss the cancellation of his insurance. He claims he was told that his cancer was considered “beyond the catastrophic previous condition” and his plan was being canceled because of ObamaCare regulations.

Elliot, who has Stage 4 cancer, informed viewers he wasn’t going to pay the $1,500 a month for the new plan being offered, preferring not to burden his family and to “let nature take it’s course.”

After his story attracted media attention, Elliot says his insurance company decided to let him keep his coverage:

"Well, the update on my health is: I went to the doctor last week and he told me that I was in full remission. So, that's good news; I'm getting better. Thanks to Steve, I wouldn't have found none of this out, 'cause I wouldn't have had health insurance to go back. So, I found out that I'm in full remission and that I've got four months to go - not four months to go, but be checked every four months.

"So, Monday I got a certified letter. I didn't get my mail until late, so this past Tuesday I went and picked it up. Lo and behold, it's from the IRS saying, "You're going to be audited for the tax year of 2009."

by Anonymousreply 31712/08/2013


Loves to suck any government cock he can find.

by Anonymousreply 31812/08/2013

My, but the Libertarian Idiot Troll(TM) has a major emotional investment in projecting the failure of the ACA. It's like he has an agenda or something.

by Anonymousreply 31912/08/2013

And as he's not even living in the US, I can't see any reason for his investment other than kneejerk hatred of the evil, evil gummint.

by Anonymousreply 32012/08/2013

"cnsnews- the right news. right now" sounds like a super-reputable, non-biased news source, especially when quoting from another super-reputable, non-biased news source like fox news, tedious libertarian troll r317-r318.

seriously, you've proved your point beyond a shadow of a doubt and we all totally believe you now.

by Anonymousreply 32112/08/2013


by Anonymousreply 32212/09/2013

The website for President Barack Obama’s signature health care program went down hours before he was scheduled to deliver his year-end press conference. was still down minutes before Obama was set to appear before reporters.

Users attempting to apply for insurance were greeted with a message notifying them that “the system is down at the moment” Friday afternoon.

by Anonymousreply 32312/21/2013

sad paid freeper shill at r323 et al. is still trolling this thread, and has had to resort to quoting "the blaze" to keep the obummercare failure meme alive.

you do realize that no one on a gay liberal message board is going to click on a mormon bible thumper's deranged website, right? i mean that cnsnews thing was sad, but the blaze? really?

by Anonymousreply 32412/21/2013

Fucktard Obama is finally doing something right. He will spend the rest of his term in office on selling Obamacare. That way at least can can fuck up too much more shit. What a fucking disaster.

by Anonymousreply 32512/22/2013

Bill Elliot is another of those people who could have better and affordable coverage, but wants to work outside the system---then complains that the system does not work for him.

If you don't take the subsidies that you are entitled to, don't claim that you cannot afford insurance.

I do not know if it is stupidity or dishonesty motivating these people, but how many writers have to fact check those Fox "cases" before the freepers actually admit to their falseness.

by Anonymousreply 32612/22/2013

ACA is a start, but we need single payer. insurance companies are nothing but a parasite feeding off our health.

by Anonymousreply 32712/30/2013


The cool billion wasted on the Healthcare dot gov site is wasted. Doesn't that piss you off?

by Anonymousreply 32812/30/2013

no. a billion to protect american's heath? even misspent, i'm all for it. at least someone is trying.

now, the TRILLIONS we've wasted on killing people in the middle east and lining halliburton's pocket, now THAT pisses me off.

get your priorities straight, asshat.

by Anonymousreply 32912/30/2013

We didn't know Obama would be such a disaster when we voted for him, but now we must make the best of it.

by Anonymousreply 33012/30/2013



We waste trillions killing poor brown people, but can't take care of our own people.

Have you called for Obama's impeachment for that bullshit? No? Then wake the fuck up.

Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bsuh, Obama- they're all the same- whores for power.

Until you can call for Obama (and Bush, and Clinton) to be tried as war criminals and executed for crimes against humanity, then you're just another poseur. Are you ready to take that leap?

by Anonymousreply 33112/30/2013

One million signed up on so far. Keep fucking that chicken, libertarian idiot.

by Anonymousreply 33212/30/2013

sorry, tedious libertarian troll. i would have bush tried for lying our country into war. i'm not going to try obama cause he couldn't fix the mess bush/cheney lied us into.

and i ain't leaping anywhere with you. you are a petulant, spoiled, child with no grasp of reality other than seeing your selfish wants met. you can go fuck yourself.

by Anonymousreply 33312/30/2013


1M out of 330M is less than .3%.

Yes, less than 1/3rd of ONE PERCENT have signed up.

Oh, wait- some were covered by their employer- well, for every TEN people that have LOST their employer coverage, TWO people have signed up.

As of today, over 15 MILLION people that HAD health insurance are now uninsured because they couldn't afford the new premiums, and more will lose coverage next week (and many will also lose their jobs) because the premiums tripled or quintupled or octupled!

How someone can defend giving the big insurance corporations MORE power while making health care LESS affordable is beyond me.

Do you really think the ACA makes insurance more affordable for poor people? It just gives more power to the big corporations.

by Anonymousreply 33412/30/2013

R334 is beyond full of shit.

A perfect example of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

Misinformed and outraged over what he misunderstands.

Sad, really.

by Anonymousreply 33512/30/2013

[quote]As of today, over 15 MILLION people that HAD health insurance are now uninsured because they couldn't afford the new premiums, and more will lose coverage next week (and many will also lose their jobs) because the premiums tripled or quintupled or octupled!

Absolutely, completely, 100% bullshit.

[quote]How someone can defend giving the big insurance corporations MORE power while making health care LESS affordable is beyond me.

I'm sure this makes sense on the strange little planet you live on. Here on planet Earth, healthcare coverage has in fact decreased, and people now have health insurance who didn't have it before.

You should visit our planet sometime. I think it would really open your eyes.

by Anonymousreply 33612/31/2013

The administration refuses to release info, but it looks like only a few hundred thousand have actually paid.

Prediction- less than 1/10th of 1% will actually have signed up by 1/1/2014.

by Anonymousreply 33712/31/2013

Where do I sign up for Obamacare?

by Anonymousreply 33812/31/2013

R338: what the hell is Obamacare?

by Anonymousreply 33912/31/2013

"If everyone in the U.S. was on Medicare, the savings would move the federal budget from deficit to surplus."

by Anonymousreply 34001/04/2014

We will have to wait and see - when all the numbers come in.

We have the federal site, state sites and expanded Medicaid enrollment.

Unfortunately the Obama Administration has a credibility problem when it comes to the subject of the ACA.

We will have to hope 3rd parties, Inspector Generals and the Congressional Budget Office can sort it out and provide credible information.

by Anonymousreply 34101/04/2014


The administration is refusing to release the numbers.

From the WaPo's Ezra Klein-

"Here's how that number breaks down: 2.1 million people have signed up for private insurance through the exchanges. About 4.4 million people have signed up for Medicaid coverage. And about 3.1 million young adults got coverage through Obamacare's rule forcing insurers to cover dependents up to age 26. Then there's the unknown number of people who bought Obamacare-based coverage directly from insurers."

So, as many as 13 million people lost coverage or found coverage unaffordable, but 10 million are now covered.


by Anonymousreply 34201/06/2014

[quote]So, as many as 13 million people lost coverage or found coverage unaffordable, but 10 million are now covered.

For those playing along at home, that first number was pulled from the lower rungs of a Libertarian's colon.

I give you credit for obsessively repeating numbers that are absolute bullshit. Still, they *are* bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 34301/06/2014

What are the freepers going to do as more and more people sign up, and the ACA is more clearly a success?

by Anonymousreply 34401/07/2014

The only people who signed up are the bottomfeeders who realized they are now covered by their state's decision to expand Medicare.

by Anonymousreply 34501/07/2014

yes, poor people are bottom feeders. go back to free rethuglic, you diseased ass.

by Anonymousreply 34601/07/2014

[quote] The only people who signed up are the bottomfeeders who realized they are now covered by their state's decision to expand Medicare.

If you don't know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid stick to the threads about Matt Bomer's ass.

by Anonymousreply 34701/07/2014

Aren't the #'s more like 50 million people that were in the middle class got canceled and now have no coverage?

FWIW, we are now without health insurance. Middle class, Bay Areans with a home, and formerly covered.

There was no way we could afford $1200 a month for coverage that we had for $399 a month. No way.

Loads of people that are in the middle class (as we are) are now not going to have health insurance. This is fucked up but the way it is now.

by Anonymousreply 34801/09/2014

produce a link to 50 million losing their coverage, and world net daily doesn't count, liar at r348.

by Anonymousreply 34901/09/2014

My coverage is the same as it was last year, same price, no changes, I'm self employed.

These false flag assholes are really tiring.

by Anonymousreply 35001/09/2014


Thanks. When people point out the mortal flaws of Obamacare then people like R301 respond to defend him while remaining ignorant of the facts.

Liberals are now predicting that the system is too brokent to be fixed.

by Anonymousreply 35101/09/2014

The state of Massachusetts isn't complaining.

by Anonymousreply 35201/09/2014

[quote]Liberals are now predicting that the system is too brokent to be fixed.

first, MARY!

second, name the liberals who are predicting the systems is too "brokent" to be fixed. the ACA is working and you rancid freeps can't stand it.

by Anonymousreply 35301/09/2014
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