Exhibit A: DL Misogyny
From a recent thread:
"Our disgust of cuntery is from a detached (thankfully) perspective. . .
. . . And what I see is the unbearable agony cunts have in not being able to control, entice or fool gay men, because we have no use for the ridiculous wares they attempt to control their world with.
"What DOES one make of a subspecies that cannot abide its own form, it's own appearance, its own hair color? (Oh, I suppose that plenty of men have issues, but with women it is almost universal. How many women over 30 do you know who has [sic] her own hair color? Absurd, these insane messes screeching that we owe them something like allegiance when they call food "sinful" and have 'guilt' over it."
|by Anonymous||reply 207||09/03/2014|
[quote]Really, why does not one ever object to the use of "frau" and "cunt" and "fish" on this board? People use those words repeatedly, and no one ever objects.
What board are you reading, hon? People here object to it all the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/01/2014|
[quote]Eradicate the homophobia here, generated by straight women
The homophobic trolls are not the straight ladies.
Sure, there are some straight women on the gossip threads who say really clueless things. You will get no argument from me on that. In my 12-ish years here, though, I've only seen one of those women turn into a monster when called on it.
The REAL trouble are the Republican and anti-gay trolls. You see them in Chick-Fil-A posts, almost anything political, all over the Isra*l posts, etc.
When people slam the clueless het women in gossip threads [italic]as they are being homophobic[/italic], I have no problem with it. But to claim there is a scourge of straight homophobic women when there isn't, and then say being a sexist 24/7 is justified because of that? That's stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/01/2014|
I'm offended by it unless it's directed at someone who said something homophobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||09/01/2014|
This isn't a racially denoted site r27, it is a gay site.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/01/2014|
Not unreasonable people, R33, one unreasonable person. It's the same guy who loses his shit every single time there's a thread like this. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts these threads himself out of boredom.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||09/01/2014|
[quote]Okay, I'm arguing with unreasonable people.
Then stop doing it.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||09/01/2014|
Mary! Get over it, sensitive boy. "You're... shocked?" - Eileen Brennan.
Glad you adore all those strong honorable women because they do not give a fuck about you. You're an accessory, no doubt. A hip distraction until the hubby and kids come along.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||09/01/2014|
Straight women are innocuous . They pose no threat. They have their own battles to fight. My only problem with them is their hair and makeup. I would just love to style them.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||09/01/2014|
Well, I'm a straight woman. I don't think I post anything homophobic and I hardly ever see anything homophobic - but then I don't go on the hot man gossip threads, so I might miss it all. I see a bit of misogyny, but wouldn't you expect at least some anti-straight/anti-women feeling on a gay messageboard?
OP, you might get more out of being here if you just developed a thicker skin and let the odd insult or two pass instead of creating whole threads TELLING gay men how they should run and police their own board. Can you not see how obnoxious that is? And, more to the point, how unlikely it is such a tactic will prove successful?
|by Anonymous||reply 51||09/01/2014|
Some of my favorite people are women.
Marilu Henner, Lily Tomlin, Mother Theresa, AnnE, Andrea Martin, Hillary etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||09/01/2014|
No, dear. I don't expect gay men to be uniform. I expect there to be a range of opinion. I am not surprised if some DL members express a desire for a gay-only board while others do not. I don't expect gay men to hold opinions I tell them to hold.
I consider misogynistic slurs to be rude. But then, I also hold homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and all other generalising slurs to be rude. Personally, I try not to be rude. Hopefully, I succeed. But if anything characterises DL as much as it being a gay board, it's that it is combative in tone. Half the slurs we see aren't even meant; they're just intended to make people lose their shit.
By going at it like a bull in a china shop, you're really not going to get anyone here to hang their head in shame at their misogynistic ways. Including me.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||09/01/2014|
[quote]That is what I believe.
You're dumber than I thought. Calling a heterosexual person a name is not homophobic. Gay men are not women. Period.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||09/01/2014|
I think a little prozac would do wonders for you people.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||09/01/2014|
There are some truly misogynistic gay men, but when it comes to sexism, nobody is worse than the dykes. They hate men, all men, with a passion. Go read their 40+ page thread over at Lchat entitled "I genuinely hate men". I trust straight and bi women more than man-hating dykes any day.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||09/01/2014|
[quote]Half the slurs we see aren't even meant; they're just intended to make people lose their shit.
HOw do you know this for certain?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/01/2014|
[quote]I trust straight and bi women more than man-hating dykes any day.
Then find ones that aren't man-hating. I got along well with lesbians at the book store I volunteered at when I came out.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||09/01/2014|
I don't. Just observation. DL appears to me to have a goodly number of people that love a good argument and will niggle and stir in order to get one. For me, that's a good thing! I don't mean it in a pejorative way.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||09/01/2014|
R61 You don't win an argument by changing the terms. We're talking about interactions on a messageboard - and a messageboard intended to be a home for a particular subset of people. To my mind, if you're not in that subset - GAY MEN - you're a guest. And, as a guest, you don't tell the membership what they should or shouldn't do or say. If you don't like the overall tone, either go away or approach things in a less didactic way.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||09/01/2014|
[quote]Then find ones that aren't man-hating.
That's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Besides, it's not worth my time. I have no time for dykes. Most miserable people on the planet.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||09/01/2014|
Because homophobia is worse than racism and misogyny because it affects men and women of all races.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||09/01/2014|
[quote]a culture that hates women is sure to hate men who have sex with men
True...but not if the men are powerful,masculine and dominant.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||09/01/2014|
[quote]Wow, you indict yourselves, you women-hating racist self-loathing homophobes, every word you type.
Come off it. I never said racism and misogyny weren't bad—of course they are—only that homophobia is an attack on a larger spectrum of the population.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||09/01/2014|
[quote]Gay men, rather than having contempt for women, should be running, running to join forces with women at every possible opportunity, if for no other reason than the fact that homophobia is a subcategory of misogyny
Feminists don't give a fuck about gay men, so why should we run to join them? The most militant feminists are dykes and their only concern is advancing rights and privileges of women and promoting hatred of men. Feminists hate gay men as much as they hate straight men. They can solve their own problems.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||09/01/2014|
That'll keep you busy, R73. I conserve my anti-misogyny energy for my professional and personal life. Fighting anonymous nuts online is a waste of energy.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||09/01/2014|
[quote]True...but not if the men are powerful,masculine and dominant.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||09/01/2014|
I'm on the OP = impressionable college girl bandwagon. Ignore.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||09/01/2014|
Do you have an hobbies you could pursue so you wouldn't have to spill all your bile on DL r79?
|by Anonymous||reply 80||09/01/2014|
maybe bile was too harsh. I meant something else you enjoy doing instead of internet patrolling?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||09/01/2014|
OP switched IPs (or maybe got on his phone) to evade trolldar. Nice try, cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||09/01/2014|
If this is really the sort of thing that occupies your mind, OP, please seek help. I can't imagine you to be a happy, successful person with friends, lovers…..or even any sort of real human contact. I pity you.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||09/01/2014|
Where is the thread the unhinged OP is supposedly quoting from?
|by Anonymous||reply 89||09/01/2014|
Is OP trans? That would explain his/her confusion over gender and the seething anger and need to control everything we do and say.
The only women I pick on are fraus and really, not all women are frauen and really, frauen deserve it. It's the entitlement and I'm just as happy to make fun of the "herrs" as well.
Someday, we should talk about gay fraus. They are just as bad and sources of my endless contempt. You know the type of guys I mean.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||09/01/2014|
It's never a good idea to go off your meds on a long weekend, as OP has amply proven to us these last two days.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||09/01/2014|
[quote]This site is completely happy to allow you to say "cunt" and "frau" and "fish."
I like to say "cunt." There's nowhere else I can say it out loud. However, I use "dick" as an insult just as often. In fact, I find "dick" a more insulting thing to call someone than "cunt."
"Frau" is different. It describes a much smaller, and much more singular, cohort of straight women here, who think their life experience, [italic]especially their sexual experience[/italic], is going to be of equal interest to the gay men who, I hope, predominate here, as hearing about a male-male sexual experience would be.
Hint: It isn't.
"Fish" is something I eat for dinner. It's the only time I use the word.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||09/01/2014|
LOLOL, R79. Your "erect penis?" The overwhelming majority of gay guys/males/men posting on this board would refer to an "erect penis" as a hard cock. Did you learn that term in Health class?
Oh, and quit referring to posters as "pal." You don't sound like a gay male at.all. You sound like a C-List actor in a 1930's crime drama.
See? You're not even in class, yet I learned you something today. You're welcome.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||09/01/2014|
[quote]You sound like a C-List actor in a 1930's crime drama.
Which are watched mainly by middle aged fraus and gay men these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||09/01/2014|
It's a LITTLE late to start demanding DL adhere to your social ethos. We've been saying these words for years and we have mercy on no one, least of all ourselves. Sorry this isn't Tumblr, bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||09/01/2014|
Could someone please point me to the thread (which I'm betting is non-existent) from where the troll OP pulled the quote?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||09/01/2014|
Is it this thread, R106, post 142?
|by Anonymous||reply 107||09/01/2014|
Wait, the OP is bitching about a thread that's a year old? Yeah, you're nuts.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||09/01/2014|
[quote]Wait, the OP is bitching about a thread that's a year old? Yeah, you're nuts.
Yes, it's the same moron from the Jennifer Lawrence thread saying "gay men" like to be fisted and degraded, so we cannot judge Jennifer Lawrence. When hardly anyone said anything bad about her. The OP is a nuts and a homophobe.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||09/01/2014|
[quote]As a young woman
We are really not interested in what a young woman thinks of our site. Bye.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||09/01/2014|
Ok, ok we're ALL victims here.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||09/01/2014|
[quote]since the fight for gay rights and the fight for women's rights is pretty much the same fight.
No it isn't. Women have every single legal right that a man in the US has. They're fighting about things like "slut shaming", fat women acceptance, creepy men staring at them when they have their tits hanging out of their dress, etc. The gay rights movement is actually fighting for legal rights.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||09/01/2014|
[quote]You should be, since the fight for gay rights and the fight for women's rights is pretty much the same fight.
You're wrong. Goodbye.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||09/01/2014|
[quote]It's really tragic how many of you are willing to defend this board contemptuous treatment of women.
It's even more tragic how little you, as a gay man, value your own sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||09/01/2014|
Maybe L Chat fuckers will now start referring to random males as 'cheese'?
Cheesy balls. Cheesy bell end.
You firm of helmets ha ha ha ha ha
|by Anonymous||reply 120||09/01/2014|
[quote]You need to read my posts more carefully.
No, we don't. You need to recognize that everyone is not going to agree with you.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||09/01/2014|
What R123 said. If you dish out insults to those who disagree with you, you'd better be prepared to take them in return.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||09/01/2014|
Misogyny is hatred of women. I do not hate all women, just the stupid, bigoted ones. Could you blame anyone for hating Anita Bryant or Michelle Bachmann?
|by Anonymous||reply 128||09/01/2014|
You sure are obsessed with women, even for a gay man.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||09/01/2014|
Why don't you take your tiresome pedantry to a group of heterosexual men who need to be taught this lesson more than we do?
|by Anonymous||reply 134||09/01/2014|
[quote]Listen: you all are either emotionally disturbed, or
...or, YOU are the one who is emotionally disturbed. And it's pretty clear that it's you, not we, who are.
You take your own highly subjective opinions on morals as divine pronouncements, and you become furious when people do not agree with them and refer them back to things you've said (as if they were Holy Writ). You post repeatedly for hours on end to the same threads, and try as hard as you can to stir up shit. When people leave in disgust, you crow you've beaten them in argument and achieved moral victory, when all you've done is annoy people into leaving.
It genuinely sounds like you suffer from some sort of actual severe mood disorder, and you've clearly had some kind of breakdown this weekend on Datalounge.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||09/01/2014|
[quote]This is observable fact.
God, you're stupid. If you hate it so much just leave. Seriously.
This concept that 'women are our allies' is so silly. Get out in the real world.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||09/01/2014|
[quote]You sure are obsessed with women, even for a gay man.
That's because it's not a gay man. You can tell by "his" nasty posts about gay men wanting to be fisted and degraded and the snide "fleet enema" remark above.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||09/01/2014|
[quote]Plus, I was saying: people started getting judgey and tsk-tsk about JLaw's nude pics
No they weren't, you lying dumbfuck. There was nothing offensive until you jumped in with your shrieking about gay men being hypocrites who want to get fisted and degraded.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||09/02/2014|
[quote]Do you think straight men were going to just GIVE us those freedoms?!
No. We're going to take them. By force if necessary. And stop calling heterosexuals "straight."
[quote]There was nothing offensive until you jumped in with your shrieking about gay men being hypocrites who want to get fisted and degraded.
I agree, and furthermore, calling gay men misogynists is just another excuse to engage in gay-shaming, a sign of self-loathing.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||09/02/2014|
Why don't you go lecture straight guys. They're the ones who are actually oppressing both women and gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||09/02/2014|
[quote]Why don't you go lecture straight guys.
Or our "allies", the lesbians over at LChat with their 40 page thread on why they hate men. Of course, that wouldn't work because the second he mentions he's a man they would ban his ass. His mentally ill hysteria is allowed here, unfortunately.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||09/02/2014|
You would rather accuse gay men of misogyny than stand up to homophobic women.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||09/02/2014|
Her posts were a load of donkey shite, r153.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||09/02/2014|
[quote]I'm willing to lie down in the street and block traffic
Please do it, right now. Preferably in front of a steamroller.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||09/02/2014|
you talk too much stupid frau OP
back to the kitchen, do something useful and for gods sake SHUT UPPPPPP!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 163||09/02/2014|
I'm not offended by Jennifer Lawrence's nudes specifically, I'm more generally offended by ANYONE(who,ostensibly,might have a very real concern about privacy) would be STUPID and SELF-UNPROTECTIVE enough to give access to some, very possibly, short-term fuck buddy with no sense of discretion or empathy to such revealing and intimate images...let alone STORE them on what we all know to be,despite corporate claims to the contrary, an UNSECURED and readily HACKABLE Internet!
Now if one doesn't CARE if pix of one naked or with a dick in ones mouth are out there for all eternity then fuck me. But if you're an A-list,Oscar-winner? Use you damn head!
You would'nt have caught MERYL in that kind of partially self-created, compromising position.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||09/02/2014|
[quote]I'm calling you out on your misogyny, and asking you to take responsibility for the board's misogyny - to intervene against it.
And we have said no - NO means NO.
Now go away. t
|by Anonymous||reply 166||09/02/2014|
[quote]name a STRAIGHT MALE artist who would include a detail like that in one of HIS videos.
Macklemore's "Same Love"?
|by Anonymous||reply 169||09/02/2014|
yes, R167, Ariana Grande will save the gays.
You're such a troll.
She's just pandering to a built-in fan base, numnuts. Every trashy female pop star out there panders to 'the gays' because they make money from them.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||09/02/2014|
No female pop star with a huge gay fanbase has made an explicitly pro-gay song like Macklemore. Britney? Nope. Beyonce? Nope. Aguiera? Nope. Etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||09/02/2014|
Who the hell is Ariana Grande? Evidently she's not pandering enough.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||09/02/2014|
R172: Are you working undercover for an ex-gay ministry? You're utterly, utterly obsessed with women and misogyny to an unhealthy degree. We get the point, now do be kind and run and tell the people who actually are part of the patriarchy.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||09/02/2014|
[all posts by fucking cunt troll deleted.]
|by Anonymous||reply 175||09/02/2014|
R176 = DL's resident masochist.
Gay gossip, politics and pointless bitchery define this place. Misogyny is incidental at best. We just don't care about what you care about and you will never make us care about it. All it will accomplish is you screeching into the ether and getting your ass kicked over and over and over again. I suppose that's what you masochists look for in your online antics.
You know they have clubs for that sort of thing, or you could look on Craigslist.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||09/02/2014|
[all posts by fucking cunt troll deleted.]
|by Anonymous||reply 178||09/02/2014|
R159: [quote]Okay, you women-haters. It's been an education talking to you! I hope you all get fucked really hard tonight by the straight guy you can't stop wanting, because gay men disgust you! Gotta do my homework, kisses all around.
Sorry OP but I can't find it in me to support someone who makes such a generalised attack, in such homophobic terms, on the broad range of DL users. Your arguments about misogyny on DL fail, due to your own attitude.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||09/02/2014|
R182, you are a sad, sick, obsessive, destructive and self-destructive individual. It's a shame that people like you are allowed free rein on the DL but that's the price we pay for our loose moderating structure.
I suppose it's worth it in the long run. You will eventually find another group to harass, you people always do.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||09/02/2014|
[quote]Macklemore's "Same Love"?
O.k. other than him.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||09/02/2014|
R184, despite your emphatic use of exclamation points, our discussion is at an end.
Now get some rest, dear, you've been hard at your obsessive harassment of everyone on the Datalounge all day and night. Surely your psychiatrist recommends a break now and then.
I have no problem allowing you to have the last word, please feel free to do so. I am aware that those with your particular mental illness need that.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||09/02/2014|
[quote]I don't hear a furious tone in my posts.
Then you are not listening. Not that anyone would blame you.
[quote]I thought the Fleet enema comment was funny! Where's your sense of humor!
You and “sense of humor”? No. Oxymoronic.
[quote]For Chrissake, I am a guy. I AM NOT A WOMAN. I AM A GUY. MAN, M-A-N.
Ooh. All caps. So it bothers you to be thought of as a woman. You sound, dare I say it? miso...oh, never mind.
[quote]Maybe you don't know what a sarcastic tone is. Or irony. Or overstatement.
Or maybe [italic]you[/italic] don’t. On second thought, I’ll give you “overstatement.”
|by Anonymous||reply 188||09/02/2014|
It's all a matter of "fuck the cunt" being meant literally or figuratively, and the tendency of many women to yell abuse if they don't like the opinions of men.
Yes. Fuck the cunts.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||09/02/2014|
Fighting misogyny doesn't give you the right to be a kick in the cunt or the dick or anything else. Protectionist movements tend to attract control freaks who piggyback on genuine issues. They can feel morally justified to demand and manipulate in the name of the control they lack over their own lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||09/02/2014|
Oh ffs OP, STFU. I'm a lesbian and I couldn't care less. I just laugh and roll my eyes when I read "cunt" or "frau". Seriously.. it comes with the territory of being on DL. Besides, I would never ask them to change for me.. why would they? It's primarily a GAY website for men. I don't get to have a saying in what goes on here, I don't think that would be fair. Sometimes you just gotta roll with it.. stop making it a big deal.
One last thing.. have you seen all the man hate on lesbian websites? This is nothing compared to that, trust me on this.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||09/02/2014|
[all posts by fucking cunt troll deleted.]
|by Anonymous||reply 197||09/02/2014|
stop feeding the troll i.e. R197 who's responsible for half of the stupid posts in this thread
|by Anonymous||reply 200||09/02/2014|
What I've noticed is the powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||09/02/2014|
[quote]And yet there are no derogatory terms for straight men?
Asshole, prick, jerk, dick, douche, douche nozzle, asswipe, tool etc are primarily used to deride straight men. The only difference is that no one wails and bitches and moans about it all the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||09/02/2014|
[quote] What I've noticed is the powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this thread.
No, that's just a ladyham in dire need of a douching.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||09/02/2014|
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|by Anonymous||reply 206||09/03/2014|