Harvey Milk Was An 'Evil Man' Who Raped Teenage Boys, Unworthy Of Postage Stamp: Matt Barber
Harvey Milk, the first openly gay man to hold political office in California, is set to break new ground once again as the first LGBT official to be featured on a postage stamp. But not everyone is pleased with the honor.
In a new interview, the Liberty Counsel's Matt Barber accused the U.S. Postal Service of "whitewashing" reality and "historical revisionism" in choosing to feature Milk on the forthcoming postage stamp, which will be issued next year.
"Harvey Milk was known as a pederast,” Barber told One News Now. “That's a man who in his mid-30s had a sexual appetite for teenage boys as young as 15 years old.”
He continued: "Harvey Milk was demonstrably, categorically an evil man based on his rape of teenage boys, And the fact that our U.S. government would be commemorating and recognizing him as some kind of hero really just boggles the mind.”
You can read the full interview with Barber here.
Of course, the remarks come as little surprise given Barber's history of anti-gay proclamations. Earlier this year, he slammed adoption rights for same-sex couples as "egocentric" and "purchasing children."
In April, he referred to the LGBT community as a "cancer that brings down societies," and implied that same-sex marriage was somehow connected to the "Great Flood" referenced in the biblical narrative of Noah's Ark.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||10/22/2013|
Duh. I'm sure there's still plenty of stupid people who think that about ALL of us gay men.
Where's my postage stamp ???
|by Anonymous||reply 7||10/18/2013|
Ann Coulter did say that Harvey stuffed the ballot box to win the election.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||10/18/2013|
It would be no surprise if Milk, in his pre-political days, hired a teenage hustler now and then. Back then, an adult having sex with a 15-18 year old was not the horror of horrors that it is today. Sure it was a crime, but so was sex between consenting adult men.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||10/18/2013|
I don't know how old you are, R19, but R18 is correct in his assertion that sex with someone 15-18 was no "horror of horrors" in 1978 in California.
I had a 17-year old boyfriend when I was in my 20s, and no one thought much of the age difference. I'd met him in the bar we both attended regularly, which signified by inference that he was over 21. Yes, he had lied about his age.
But even after I found out, we'd sometimes sleep together at his house, which, of course, was his mother's house. She didn't mind. She liked me. The age difference issue just wasn't the monumental source of OMG it is today.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||10/18/2013|
Actually, Matt Barber doesn't look much different from some of the men some of you cream over in the Presenting Troll's threads.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||10/18/2013|
This guy is even uglier than Matt Barber:
|by Anonymous||reply 22||10/18/2013|
Oh, give it a rest, R23. My boyfriend was 17 for a week between the time I found out he was 17 (rather than 21+) and his 18th birthday. He did not feel one bit abused. Actually, I was the abused one: he gave me crabs.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||10/18/2013|
I would bet that Milk liked younger guys, back then called "chicken," and he was probably lewd about it sometimes. I have known many gay men (and straight guys, too, of COURSE) who "liked 'em young." Men are sexually attracted to the younger types, both gay and straight. SOME men, that is. And some men can be "gross" about it, too.
Those "chicken hawks," (again, an antiquated phrase that was current during Milk's time) usually kind of skeeved me out and always have but, hey, to each his own. I have no idea how Harvey Milk acted out his sexual urges, how he flirted with guys, if he hit on underage boys or not. I am inclined to think he didn't do anything TOO terrible since there is zero record of his ever being arrested for anything in that regard. But he did an awful lot of good, too and ended up being a gay martyr. The gay MLK, sort of. And he deserves a damned stamp. You think everybody else on a stamp was PERFECT? Please.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||10/18/2013|
Roman Polanski was accused of drugging and raping a 13 year old. That wouldn't have sounded a lot better if she was 18. Drugging and raping is still bad no matter the age.
Anybody who didn't live in the 1970s may not realize, everybody fucked everybody and people didn't judge like they do now. A 40 year old man propositioned 15 year old me and my 16 year old gf. His age was not an issue to us. None of us thought that was pedophilia or child molestation. Today it would be.
Most young people today don't know a lot about Harvey Milk unless they saw the movie, and not everybody did. Republicans saying stuff about some historical guy they don't remember isn't going to automatically ring a bell with people, unless they're just assuming because it's a republican talking, it's a lie. Not everybody will assume that, some people are easily swayed.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||10/18/2013|
"You seem to be forgetting Roman Polanski fled the country in 1978 to avoid the consequences of being caught having sex with a minor."
He raped her, they didn't have sex.
Btw, Charlie Chaplin and Elvis both dated teen girls and straight guys don't dog them for it. Fact of the matter is that heterosexual men have a near universal preference for women younger than themselves. Marriage statistics and statistics from dating sites prove it.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||10/18/2013|
Why did it become an issue? Because Harvey led the fight against banning gay teachers, so naturally he was a lightning rod for people who associated gays with pedophilia. Harvey, however, was not a gay teacher.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||10/18/2013|
R32 What little store? You talking to Harvey? He's dead. But he had a little store.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||10/18/2013|
What really deserves a closer look is Milk's connection to Jim Jones and The People's Temple, the cult that perished in the Jonestown Massacre just days before Milk's assassination.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||10/19/2013|
Everyone in SF was connected to Peoples Temple. Nobody would have thought what would happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||10/19/2013|
All the above poster is saying is that it was commonplace for adults to date teenagers, and he is right. It was offensive to some, acceptable to others, but all-in-all everywhere.
But so were addictive drugs, incest pornography, prostitution/pimping, and serial murders. The drugs allowed for a lot more exploitation and carelessness. The seventies were all about feeling good, which unfortunately, left a lot of victims in its wake.
The seventies were just the extension of the sixties but with haircuts and flared pants. The concept of sexual freedom was hijacked by the sociopaths who applied that to molesting children and selling women.
That is why the eighties turned it's back on "free love" and worshipped money. People saw the hypocrisy and closed their hearts.
It was a case of mass PTSD.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||10/19/2013|
"But so were addictive drugs, incest pornography, prostitution/pimping, and serial murders."
ROFLMAO. Those things were all around long before the sexual revolution. Prostitution is called the oldest profession for a reason...
|by Anonymous||reply 45||10/19/2013|
[quote]Everyone in SF was connected to Peoples Temple. Nobody would have thought what would happen.
Yes but most people in SF weren't in a position to give Jim Jones political aid, which Milk and Moscone apparently both did.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||10/19/2013|
[quote]Fake twitter accounts EVERYWHERE fake facebooks too, these people are spending ton of money. They have infested this place.
What fake accounts are people making? You mean Republicans are making up accounts to artificially inflate their presence?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||10/20/2013|
I scrolled past the thread quickly and wondered why Matt Bomer would say such things about Harvey Milk. Time for bed...
|by Anonymous||reply 54||10/20/2013|
It wasn't the 70s, it was the early 60s. And we don't actually know McKinley's age for a fact. And guess what else. Harvey Milk got Jack McKinley to work with him in BARRY GOLDWATER'S CAMPAIGN in 1964. McKinley stayed in NY and did not go west with Milk.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||10/20/2013|
1. In the 1960s New York sodomy was illegal so for Harvey to have any gay relationships was illegal.
2. Harvey was a conservative Republican at the time.
3. Did Shilts verify McKinley age? As we can tell from his other work, when he falsely blamed AIDS on a Canadian flight attendant, Shilts was not one to check facts and was one to present gossip as fact.
4. Harvey stayed with the alleged victim for five years, only breaking up with him when he moved to California.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||10/20/2013|
5 years = 21 years old in Jake's life. Jake met him at 16.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||10/20/2013|
Again we need to find Jake's birth certificate. My guess is, not as young as Shilts thought.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||10/20/2013|
Why in the world would anyone believe the idiot, with his lies about Milk?
I think it's time to investigate the lying sack of shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||10/20/2013|
From the way I heard it, R1 is raping 12 year olds on a daily bases. So IMO, he should probably be in jail.
I heard it from the evangelist down at Bible Banger Church. I'm pretty sure it's true.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||10/20/2013|
It is a shame dead men can't sue for slander.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||10/21/2013|
R61, this was 1963-64 when they met. In 1960, the Sherman Brothers wrote a song "You're Sixteen" which was No. 8 in the US sung by Johnny Burnette, and No. 3 in the UK. Ringo Starr later took it to No. 1 in the US in 1974.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||10/21/2013|
But, but... Bill Donohue of the Catholic League says that priests fucking altar boys is just homosexuality, not pedophilia, so how can Barber claim that Milk's alleged sexual relations with 16 year-olds is pedophilia? Can't these bigots get their stories straight?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||10/21/2013|
Harvey Milk was not perfect but none of us is. We should remember Milk for the great things he did, not for his shortcomings.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||10/21/2013|
Exactly. No great man is ever perfect.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||10/21/2013|
Well, this dates me terrifically but I dated Harvey twice and he was not into twinks. He was into Castro clone types. No one I know who knew him ever heard that he was involved with underage guys. It is just a made-up lie.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||10/21/2013|
Scott Smith was 21 and Harvey was 40 when they first got together. Jack Lira was young, but certain not underage. I remember the day of Harvey Milk's inauguration, with a photo on the front page of the Chronicle of Harvey and Jack walking down Market Street together, leading a parade of supporters. Even in San Francisco in the 70's, if Jack Lira had been underage, it would've been a scandal.
On a side note, people talk about remembering where they were when they heard JFK was assassinated. I was too young for that, but I remember everything about the day Harvey Milk and George Moscone were killed. It ended the so-called 'age of innocence' for so many of us. I can't help but think the government response to the AIDS crisis would've been different if Harvey had lived to fight for us.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||10/21/2013|
Age of consent in New York was 17, but misdemeanor only if 16. That's why it was necessary and lie and claim 15 for the age of the individual. In truth, we don't know what the age was. They say Harvey was 33, which would have been 1963, but the first example of them together was 1964, when Harvey would have been 34, and that the relationship, which ended in 1969, when the kid was supposedly 21, was shorter than a six year relationship he had with someone else. In no case has anyone actually attempted to find out when Mr. McKinley was actually born. My guess is that he was of the age of Consent and the whole thing is a slander.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||10/21/2013|
R75, where is the proof that YOU haven't slept with underage children?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||10/21/2013|
[quote]he was a shitstain that used vulnerable and lonely teenagers probably hooking them on drugs.
So now he was a drug pusher too?
Is there any moral offense he didn't commit?
Is it true he was also a cannibal?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||10/21/2013|
[quote] lol to this day nothing has changed.
Wow, you really know how to make sure that you're taken seriously, don't you?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||10/21/2013|
So r79 what makes you so certain he got young guys hooked on drugs and left them to flounder?
Where are you getting your information from?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||10/21/2013|
[quote] he was some opportunist that made some money and fucked suicidal teenagers who as i understand suicided after the 'caring' pederast was done with them.
Names and citations, please. And not "oh, someone else on a DL thread said it."
|by Anonymous||reply 83||10/21/2013|
Why don't you use capital letters? Do you enjoy presenting yourself as an idiot?
|by Anonymous||reply 86||10/21/2013|
Who is this fucking freeper cunt retard???
|by Anonymous||reply 87||10/21/2013|
Pretty sure it's easy to find McKinley's age on the internet. Randy Shilts said he was born in 1947. Randy was not a Republican, he was a gay Democrat btw & worked for the SF Chronicle.
"On February 14th 1980 McKinley committed suicide. He was 33, the same age when Milk and McKinley fell in love in 1963"
McKinley born 1947
1980 - 33 = 1947
1947 + 16 = 1963
Harvey Milk born 1930
1930 + 33 = 1963
From "The Mayor of Castro Street.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||10/22/2013|
Harvey Milk was a hell of a nice guy who actually helped out a lot of young gay men in SF.
He didn't prey on them sexually and he didn't get them hooked on drugs.
Anyone who says he did is a filthy, lying, scumbag who should be beaten to within an inch of his life.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||10/22/2013|
Noe Valley Elder - you didn't know him.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||10/22/2013|
At nutcase that speaks ill of the dead, to boot.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||10/22/2013|
Randy Shilts, as a poor journalist, did not verify McKinley's age, nor did he verify when Milk and McKinley met. They worked on the GOLDWATER campaign, so most likely it was 1964, not 1963.
I stand by my comments, including Shilts' Republicanism. He was in the Young Americans for Freedom as a teenager.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||10/22/2013|
A nutcase who speaks ill of the dead AND smears one of the most influential and accomplished gay Americans who ever lived.
Harvey Milk was no saint but he was not a pedophile nor a sexual predator.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||10/22/2013|
R85 should go fuck a garbage disposal.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||10/22/2013|
[R86] If the charges are true, he was an evil man. But where is the evidence?
|by Anonymous||reply 97||10/22/2013|