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The Gays and Tennis, Part 7

By popular demand! Let the Nadal's ass vs the Rest of the World flame war continue!

by Anonymousreply 60408/05/2014

This is where we left things:

[quote]LOOKS like we're going to need a new THREAD, peeps, and lets hope the new one has some NUDES of all those luscious LADS of tennis. Oh, and the LADIES, too. Not that I would PEEK at those pictures, since I'm a STRAIGHT gal, through and through, but I just like my LESBIAN pals to get some enjoyment of the best BREASTS and BUTTOCKS of the women's tour. But you folks know me, I'm all about the PEEN. Happy posting! by: Pamela Howard Shriver, tennis commentator extraordinaire

by Anonymousreply 110/14/2013

... and this:

[quote][R582] Nadal and his team are not stupid enough to dope constantly. He's doped for the Slams. Why do you think he goes from injured, to almost hyper at the French and US Open, to listless when he's off the dope? They call it cycling. He's on a down cycle. One day this will all come out.

by Anonymousreply 210/14/2013

Who here can pick the up and coming tennis stars who will replace Nadal, Joker, Fed, Venus and the Russian babes?

by Anonymousreply 310/14/2013

OP jumped in because the topic at the end of thread 6 was Nadal's doping scandal and when it would ever come to light.

by Anonymousreply 410/14/2013

I don't think we has any discussion about Kerber's Linz wild card situation here.

Obviously Kerber got her wc after the original draw was out. The latest development is that Wozniacki made a complaint to WTA since Kerber took the last spot to Istanbul by wining Linz.

Also it seems that Wozniacki has broken up with McIlroy.

by Anonymousreply 510/14/2013

No, r4, OP jumped in because he loves all things gay and tennis (and is responsible for starting at least 3 of the 6 The Gays and Tennis lists), so either are fine, but if both go together then all the better...

(p.s. I *do*, though, suspect that Nadal, and lots and lots of others, are guilty of being on the juice.)

by Anonymousreply 610/14/2013

Count me in as someone who believes Nadal is on something. I've watched him for years and love seeing him fired up, but watching him when he hit the court against Djokovic I thought he was on something then.

I just don't believe the "too injured to play" / miracle comeback / crash at Wimbledon / miracle comeback in the summer story. It's so far beyond credible it's laughable.

If any player cycles and crashes to avoid testing, my money is on Nadal.

All that protesting about drug testing on the ATP tour sounds to me like someone who is saying he has to do it because testing is so poor others are doing it. And it's not a stretch to think Uncle Toni tells him it's a legit version of some meds for his knees.

In Olympic swimming, all three medalists and qualifiers in heats immediately have to go and urinate in front of someone who watches the urine leave their dicks. The spoiled, overpaid tennis players would never submit to that, but it would clean up the sport.

by Anonymousreply 710/14/2013

Is funny how people keep going on about Nadal being a dopper. But if I recall correctly, Novak Djokovic couldn't play long matches and would struggle against anyone if the temperatura was high. Three months later he became the King of the long matches. I saw Nadal playing when he was a teen, here in Bs As, someone shout "please find this kid a girlfriend", because he was like running all over the place. I saw Djokovic in Miami when he was the perpetual number 3, he didn't run even the 10th part of what he runs today in an average match.

by Anonymousreply 810/14/2013

I hate to get involeved in this topic but thank you r9, that's what I wanted to say.

Nadal has always been famous for his physical strength, since he turned pro, that was when he was only a teenager.

Djokovic, however, used to be a whiny, withdrawal-happy kid, now can play 5 setters one after another like a superman.

by Anonymousreply 910/14/2013

Joker's problems when he was the perpetual number 3 were more mental than physical. It's clear to anyone who has followed his game that when he plays his best, he's capable of beating anyone. What made 2011 so remarkable was that he was able to produce his best tennis for such an extended streak. The more he won, the more confidence he gained. He seems to be more streaky these days but it's more related to mental breaks in his concentration than anything else. Nadal has never been a very strong closer for the season and this year is proving to be no exception.

by Anonymousreply 1010/14/2013

Djokovic credits being diagnosed with food allergies and sensitivities with his heightened endurance.

by Anonymousreply 1110/14/2013

This has nothing to do with a tendency to run, R9, or strength, R10, though if both of you want to go there, those points hurt your case.

The issue is the miracle comebacks from injury, the swings that would appear manic if they weren't energy-enhancing related -- and most important -- the number of drug tests he's missed by being absent from the tour with injuries.

Commentators all said it didn't look like Nadal's knee was affecting him at all in the spring season and yet the injury was back again at Wimbledon and gone for the most punishing of services, the hard courts. And when he took the court at the U.S. Open this year, he looked like he was loaded.

As to his past fitness and strength, many people think he was juicing then, which is why he was overdoing it and the bulk with his running is what prompted his injuries. Look at Nadal before the U.S. Open loss to DelPo and after his first and second comebacks. The real Nadal physique was much smaller.

That still doesn't mean he's no longer performance enhancing to win. Cilic was the one accused of faking an injury to avoid a drug test, but does anyone doubt that Nadal went off the juice because he was going to be tested at Wimbledon suddenly looked out of it -- not just an exhausted Nadal but not even the same player, just like the wild Nadal at the U.S. Open looked like he could barely hold up in Shanghai.

That behavior is unlike Djokovic's or anyone who turns around their game. Djokovic improved his fitness and his diet and still needs to work with his head. But Nadal's prolonged absences without anyone knowing what he was doing or taking, coupled with miraculous comebacks and manic playing styles, something is not right. Maybe it's some "miracle" cure used in his recovery period that wears off and crashes after awhile. Who knows.

Nadal is probably the one player in any sport who talks as much about drug testing as much as he goes for long stretches without being tested.

by Anonymousreply 1210/14/2013

People thinking Nadal is doping disgusts me. It's a pretty serious accusation to throw around without any proof.

Nadal has a chronic condition, do you even know what that means? He will NEVER get better. He just has to live with the knees. Too much pressure on them over a long period of time makes them worse. That's why he has long injury breaks, to recover and heal his knees. And that's why he's able to come back and perform better than ever. He is relaxing and training. And think about it.. is it that weird that he's performing better when he's had 7 months off, compared to the other players who have been playing basically non stop tennis for 7 months? Who do you think is more fresh, and who do you think is able to endure more, who has the better stamina? Of course that will be Nadal, since he's not as tired as the rest of the top players.

It's mind boggling that people say Nadal is doping. Truth is that he didn't even play that well this year. Yes, he won three consecutive hard court titles. But that's just because he took advantage of a dip in form among the top players. Djokovic was ripe for the picking, and Rafa was lucky with the draw in USO, since he didn't have to face Murray. If he had, I'm sure he would have lost.

No.. Nadal's injury breaks are not that weird when you think about it. It's just the haters that want to speculate in nasty rumors. People just can't handle Rafa's success.

by Anonymousreply 1310/14/2013

I'm done with this fucking thread. It's sick that people would even accuse Nadal of doping. Instead you worship a homophobic douchebag from one of the most homophobic, racist, gay bashing countries in Europe. Whatever. Says more about you guys being clueless I guess.

by Anonymousreply 1410/14/2013

Yeah like this country isn't racist and homophobic. Chill, R15. Nobody's trying to cut your dick off.

by Anonymousreply 1510/14/2013

Check out these "shirtless tennis" clips. Awesome stuff.

by Anonymousreply 1610/14/2013

Nadal never blame on his knee in his surprising lost in Wimbledon. A guy I know who interviewed Nadal in his first tournament this year in Chile, told me that his team were very worried after his first 2 tournaments in 2013 (Chile and Brazil). If some of you saw those tournaments, Nadal was horrible then (it was like his twin and untalented brother was playing). Nadal has an hotel in Cozumel, Mexico. After those tournaments and waiting to play in Acapulco he went there and he set a deadline, if he couldn't raise the bar at Acapulco he was done. Also, he told us that Nadal time off was because of the injury and because he was burned out. That the injury was the reason he was out, but also because he was burned out he decided stop playing for the rest of the year, instead of doing what he did the first time (it was only a couple of months). He doesn't know in first hand (the guy who told all of this) but he has this theory that Nadal didn't plan to play Wimbledon this year and the sponsors & ATP made him be there. Since 2009, Nadal changed his schedule, so he has his holidays in june (after wimbledon), instead of at the end of the season. This year, because he had a tight schedule in clay season his plan was to have longer holidays to rest the knee and be in the best shape for the US summer season. Something that he did and we all saw how great he was. Nadal is after Sampras record and now that is the goal that keeps him motivated to be back on the courts.

by Anonymousreply 1710/14/2013

Have the people (or lone loon) who constantly screech about how we should all hate Novak because he hails from homophobic Serbia, actually produced any quotes by Novak that are homophobic?

by Anonymousreply 1810/14/2013

More Kerber disgustingness: on top of entering Linz last week AFTER the draw was made due to a technicality (Kvitova pulled out and the tournament was allowed to basically swap top 10 players, even though it fucked up the draw and a young wildcard hopeful was forced to withdraw), she pulled the opposite stunt in this week's Moscow.

Kerber obviously entered Linz to beat out Wozniacki for a spot at the YEC. Kerber found out on friday after winning her QF match that she had qualified. She went on to the win the title on sunday. Moscow's draw was made on saturday with Kerber in the draw. Right after winning the title on sunday, she withdraw from Moscow, fucking up that draw. She was the top seed, so now the draw is inbalanced with her absent. Kerber withdrew because she didn't need to play as she only entered in case she lost early in Linz.

Simply selfish and disgusting. I hope she gets her ass kicked in all 3 of her YEC round robin matches.

by Anonymousreply 1910/14/2013

There is no evidence, R19. The argument has always been he's Serbian so he must be homophobic, but when the argument is turned on all Americans from say any one of those "red states" we're told there's no equivalent.

Djokovic has nothing to do with the ideas some people here have about Nadal and some kind of performance enhancement. They're two separate players.

by Anonymousreply 2010/15/2013

Just another perspective to R20 -

There are a number of possible scenarios around what happened with Kerber in Linz. First, tournament directors are always trying to score top players for their events, in order to sell tickets. Kerber, a top ten player who has reached the semis at Wimbledon and the US Open, fits the bill. She might not be huge in the US, but Linz is just over the border from her native Germany, so Kerber would be a decent draw there. It's more likely that the tournament went after Kerber.

It's also possible that the WTA was involved. They have to commit (assign) top players to every event. If they can't deliver, they have to pay a penalty to the tournament. Once Kvitova dropped out, the WTA had a vested interest in getting a top ten player to Linz.

I'm sure Kerber was interested in playing, as she needed points to earn a spot in the Year End Champs. But I find it hard to imagine that she pressured the tourney organizers for a WC *after* the draw was made. There's been no precedent for that to happen, why would she even think of doing it? More likely, if Kerber's management team asked for the WC, they probably weren't aware the draw was made.

The most likely scenario was that the tournament and/or WTA offered the WC to Kerber and she & her team accepted with no knowledge that the draw was completed.

As far as her pulling out of Moscow, that's no big deal. The top players regularly pull out of events the week before big events. I can recall one year going to the New Haven event, and all the advertising was for a coupe of top players, who weren't even playing, having pulled out of the tourney to prepare for the US Open.

by Anonymousreply 2110/15/2013

Former world no. 1 Caroline Wozniacki has complained to the WTA about the last-minute wild card given by the Linz organizers to Germany's Angelique Kerber. Kerber went on to win the title and went on to also secure the last berth in the season-ending WTA Tour Championships.

Speaking to the media in Luxembourg where she is the top seed this week, the Dane commented, "It is very strange what has happened in Linz. I do not understand that you can suddenly change draw and allocation of wildcards that way. I wrote to Stacey ( Allaster , WTA president, Ed.) , But I have not got a proper answer . Just something that you can give wildcards to anyone."

Wozniacki would still have a chance to qualify for Istanbul based on this week's results but now Kerber has it wrapped up.

by Anonymousreply 2210/15/2013


Nadal on the cover a Peruvian (I think) mag

by Anonymousreply 2310/17/2013

r24, this photoshopped Nadal is more lifelike:

by Anonymousreply 2410/18/2013

Who knows about the doping. I do know that Nadal for years was cared for by the same MD who doped the entire Spanish biking team.

I also heard from an associate editor at Tennis magazine in 2005 that Nadal did not play the Australian Open that year not because of an ankle injury, but because he had been caught. Rather than suspend him publically he was asked to take a hiatus- all because he was the next huge star.

Who knows? But the Tennis Mag editor was not a gossipy type.

by Anonymousreply 2510/18/2013

The problem with tennis, as an individual sport (at most doubles), is that if a player like Nadal is brought down every Grand Slam he won is now called into question, as is the whole system of drug testing in tennis.

Remember Agassi has written in his bio that he got away with drug use for years.

by Anonymousreply 2610/19/2013

Dimitrov wins maiden ATP title.

Who would have thought...

by Anonymousreply 2710/20/2013

R24 the expression on his face is stupid and awkward.

R27 yes but in his case it was meth and not a performance-enhancing drug. Obviously using meth for that year hurt his results. It would be a bigger deal if a top player such as Nadal was caught using performance-enhancing drugs.

R28 he's stolen injured Shriekapova's mojo.

Speaking of mojo, Halep began the year with no titles and now has 5, on all different surfaces!

The WTA YEC is going to start on tuesday.

Jankovic always has to look transexual doesn't she?

by Anonymousreply 2810/20/2013

Serena is slaying so far. Kvitova is a beast indoors though so tomorrow will be a tough match. I really hope Kerber and Errani aren't top 8 next year. They're so fucking boring.

by Anonymousreply 2910/23/2013


Serena against JJ, Li Na against Kvitova.

by Anonymousreply 3010/25/2013

Agassi was doping and he still couldn't hit a decent serve!

by Anonymousreply 3110/25/2013

Baby Federer got spanked by Big Daddy Federer. Next up for Daddy Federer, Vasek Pospisil.

by Anonymousreply 3210/25/2013

I'm satisfied with the YEC SF. I'm glad Azarenka, Errani and Kerber didn't advance out of RR.

Pospisil should do well indoors. He's Canadian so he's used to playing indoors and is a big, risky hitter so taking out environmental conditions should make him harder to beat.

by Anonymousreply 3310/26/2013

Federer wins, at last.

WTA YEC final, Li Na against Serena. Two 30+...

by Anonymousreply 3410/26/2013

Serena advances to the year-end final, but didn't appear to be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. She was struggling at times, and I can only guess it was from HAULING around those massive jugs with enormous FRISBEE NIPPLES. Back in my day, they didn't grow the gals like that, there were ITTY BITTY boobs in the 70s and 80s. Why, I remember lounging around the locker room with my POSSE like Hana, Wendy, and Rosie, wondering which Gullickson brother had the bigger CRANK, and in comes Chrissie, NEKKID as the day she was born! And Wendy shouts out, "Chrissie, are those INNIES or OUTTIES?" Oh, the fun we had in those days, we were just CHICKS being CHICKS.

Nowadays, you don't see that OPENNESS in the locker rooms. I think Tracy started the trend of bringing MOMMY in the locker room, and now it's all gone to hell in a HANDBASKET, with gals bringing their entourage everywhere instead of just being in the company of the other WIMMINS. But the guys still know how to CHILL. When I was at Flushing Meadow, I PEEKED into the boys lockers, and saw good ol' DICKIE Gasquet twerking without a stitch on! Just backing up his big ol' REAR-END into Tommy Berdych, and having a good laugh.

And BOYS are SEXY.

by Anonymousreply 3510/26/2013

I hope Del Potro wins today. It's such a shame that the Canadian player couldn't take out Fed yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 3610/27/2013

Del Potro and Serena won! 11 titles and a 78-4 win-loss record for Serena. I think this is the most matches she has ever played in 1 year.

Vulture Ferrer lost too, though I don't like Youzhny either.

Men's Paris Masters this week-everyone is there except Murray.

by Anonymousreply 3710/27/2013

Serena’s sportsmanship questioned; more quotes from WTA Championships

by Anonymousreply 3810/29/2013

i'm just here for Nadal's ass. Who's hit it?!

by Anonymousreply 3910/31/2013

R40 that's called sour grapes. Jankovic should never be allowed to question anyone's sportsmanship. She's a known quick-server, and well-timed medical timeout-caller.

Anyway, Jankovic and Li should be happy Serena was tired for parts of the match. The fact that they couldn't take advantage of it for more than 1 set is their own fault.

by Anonymousreply 4010/31/2013

You are supposed to play at the server's pace. Graf played very quickly as well and no one called her a bad sport.

Anyway, I think it's hilarious that Jankie isn't afraid to call Serena out. Everyone else seems to tremble in fear of her.

by Anonymousreply 4110/31/2013

Blind Item #4

"This B list celebrity/athlete with A list name recognition likes every guy to think she is sexy and makes her living off that to some extent although she is truly a great athlete. The problem is that she is up to guy number five or six in the past few years who says after dating her that it is obvious she prefers women but just won't admit it for fear of losing all of her endorsements which make her millions of dollars a year."

This has to be Sharapova . . .

by Anonymousreply 4211/01/2013

R44 hahaha that would be hilarious if true.

by Anonymousreply 4311/02/2013

The hilarious thing about Jankovic and Li is that BOTH of them have long histories of being streaky players, where they're dead in the first set, frighteningly good in one set, and then collapse. Or great in the first, weak in the second, almost win in the the third and THEN collapse.

And yet they seem to think this is logical and normal.

Everyone knows Serena can be a slow starter. She has been this way for years, coming out really sluggish and fighting her way into a match. I get it -- maybe it's being over 30 -- but the first k I run or laps I swim are not my best, but then the juices get flowing and I pull it together.

What do they think she's doing, lulling them into a sense of believing they can win to confuse them and shock them so that tennis will be more interesting? Come on.

by Anonymousreply 4411/02/2013

In defense of Jankovic and Li, even the commentators (Lindsay Davenport and Bret Haber) were making similar comments about Serena. In the first set vs. Jankovic, they mentioned Serena looked sluggish, but played good enough to win it. But in the second set, she appeared to not be moving to some shots. They were both speculating about an ab injury or back injury, would she call the trainer, etc. Then by the third set she seemed to have her mojo back.

She's not the only player I've seen do that, but it's usually due to injuries that get treated. It was odd to see Serena turn it around for no apparent reason. I don't think it's anything other than Serena being a bit of a drama queen (which half of the tour is guilty of).

by Anonymousreply 4511/02/2013

r46, I think their point (without taking anything at all away from the "sour grapes" theory) is that Serena's an over-the-top drama queen (just like our favourite Drama Queen par excellence Novak Djokovic), and that she'll give the impression of being at death's door while all she's got is half a hangnail (if that).

I also think that both of them are well aware that they lost their matches to Serena because of their own inadequacies (physical, technical, but I suspect above all psychological), and not because of Serena's (sublime) melodramatics. Her consummate acting just gave them the chance to create a little comedy or frisson at their post-match press conference.

by Anonymousreply 4611/02/2013

Michael Strahan was convincing as Serena on Halloween.

by Anonymousreply 4711/02/2013

I was going to start by saying I too am suspicious of Rafa but I was beaten to the punch lol. I'm not accusing him but I am very suspicious. Some things in his career have actually been too good to be true. I'm talking about things like his miraculous recovery from the 5 hour AO SF to beat a fresh Roger in the final in a match almost as long, his amazing 'new' serve at the 2010 USO which visibly added noticeable MPH to it's speed (a change in grip apparently) which basically lasted the length of the tournament and reverted back to his old average one afterwards.

Individual events that have occurred with Rafa can be explained, but when you look at the huge number of things as a whole, it looks suspicious, and only blind fangirls would be unwilling to admit that in my opinion.

Serena (a physical specimen not unlike Rafa) returned from her layoff in 2011, played one warm-up event on grass and then Wimbledon and was gassed. She lost in the 4R even though her serve is such an advantage on grass just because she hadn't played matches in so long. Then you look at Rafa who comes back after layoffs of any amount and can play as many tournaments in a row as he pleases, like he did this year during the clay season. He was out for 7 months, then came back, played basically every week of the clay season, and won RG. Riiiight.

Yeah, there's good and then there's too good to be true. I feel similarly about his unbeaten run on HC until the Asian swing this year. Young Rafa couldn't have done that in a million years - plenty of top players could beat him on HC. This year, late 20s, dodgy knees, he wins every HC tournament he entered until after the USO...

People shouldn't be so upset at others being suspicious of him IMO.

by Anonymousreply 4811/03/2013

Yes, R43, but you do have to wait until the returner is set ( this is one of the reasons the server always looks at the returner to make sure they are set/ in ready position), you can't just quick serve them, otherwise everyone would be doing it to win quick and easy points.

by Anonymousreply 4911/03/2013

BTW before someone laughs at me comparing Serena's athleticism to Rafa's, it actually makes even less sense that Serena would've been dog-tired after just a couple of weeks in a row because Serena's game is based on big serve and first strike in the rally (either after serve or on return) to end the point quick and not really so much movement. Rafa's is based on movement and muscled strokes pretty much. A lot more physical than Serena's, but still Serena was affected hugely by the length of her layoff and Rafa wasn't at all (maybe at first in match fitness, but not physical fitness at all).

by Anonymousreply 5011/03/2013

My problem with the accusations that Rafa is juicing is that for this to be true the other top players -- Federer, Djokovic, Murray, etc. -- would either have to know about it and be looking the other way or have to juicing too. If it's so obvious to all of the casual fans, surely the professionals would have to notice too -- they're around him on court, in practice, in the locker room, and at events 11 months out of the year. Most of them grew up together playing juniors. If guys on datalounge can see it, surely they can to! Then why aren't Federer and Djokovic, etc, making a huge stink about it?

Would they look the other way? I can't believe Federer or Djokovic would even suspect Rafa of juicing and not be all over it, especially during the periods in which Rafa is beating them repeatedly. Federer gets really pissy when he loses. Surely he would have wanted Rafa caught and punished a long time ago if he thought he was cheating. Same for Djokovic, Murray, etc.

If they're not looking the other way and it's so obvious that Rafa is juicing, then the only logical alternative is that they're juicing too: they don't point fingers at him because they don't want to be caught too. They're using so they want to the sport to remain like it is: practically no one gets caught. But the consensus here is that Fed and Djoker are not juicing.

It seems to me that, logically, you can't accuse Rafa of such obvious drug violations (or of the ATP covering up his juicing with quiet suspensions) without implicating Federer, Djokovic, Murray, and all of the other top players one way or the other.

by Anonymousreply 5111/03/2013

I don't even like Nadal and I'm glad Ferrer kicked his ass yesterday. That said, it's hard to compare his comeback to Serena's. Nadal had the familiar knee injury, while Serena almost died from a clot that traveled to her lungs. It makes sense that Serena struggled more at the beginning of her comeback, given the serious nature of what took her out of the game.

When Serena returned from her knee injury/surgery in 2004, she won Miami, the first tournament she played in her comeback.

by Anonymousreply 5211/03/2013

[R53] Rafa is not around Djoker, Fed, Murray all the time. Not at all. He has at least an accumulated couple of months every year where he doesn't play and even when at a tournament with them, it's not like they'd hang out away from the venue. The media paint them as great pals but they're competing against each other constantly. I'd imagine contact outside tennis venues would be very minimal. He'd have lots of time alone or with his team.

IIRC nobody ever blew the whistle (or knew) on Lance until long after he'd retired and he would've been around other cyclists plenty as well. Cycling is different because they do ride in teams (ie, they might protect their teammates) while tennis players have their own individual teams behind them with training methods/secrets/whatever that they wouldn't communicate to other players.

by Anonymousreply 5311/03/2013

[R54] True, I forgot about Serena's 2004 comeback also. Good point. In general though, for her usual standards she did struggle that year, and would for the next couple. She only won 2 slams from 2005-2007 - both at the AO. Nothing like Rafa who always returns almost like he never left no matter how much time passes.

by Anonymousreply 5411/03/2013

You can't really compare cycling, which heavily emphasizes teams working together, to singles tennis. (Plus it seems that a lot of the cyclists of Armstrong's era have been testing positive too).

My point about them knowing Rafa is just that: they know him. They have played together almost their entire lives -- since they were kids. They certainly aren't best friends and many of them don't pal around off the court, but they have spent much more time around each other than any of us have spent watching them on TV or at events. I'm not saying that they watch each other's every move. I'm saying that they know Rafa and the players that have had the most to gain from him getting caught cheating haven't ever accused him of juicing.

You can't say it's obvious he's cheating and then argue that Federer, Djokovic, and others are either blind to it or don't care. It just doesn't make logical sense.

by Anonymousreply 5511/03/2013

[R57] I know we can only speculate, but in my opinion it wouldn't be impossible at all even with semi-regular contact with the other top players. All he'd need would be some time alone with his team regularly (which he would get), and his usual instructions from Uncle Toni on what to say and not say/do. Would the other top players even talk about tennis to each other when they weren't playing? I for one don't talk about my job when I'm at home. They wouldn't even look that closely into each others' training methods IMO, 'cause they all have their own teams and preferences with that.

Anyway as I said it's all speculation, but nothing's impossible.

Oh well, either way I'm not a fan of Rafa (I wasn't even before I've had suspicions about fair play) and will be glad when he finally takes a hike.

by Anonymousreply 5611/03/2013

You shouldn't even entertain the doping allegations. The players pay very close attention to what their biggest competitors are doing ( if they change racquets, coaches, tension, diets, training, trainers...) Remember when every top player ( and I'm sure lower ranked players) tried the gluten-free diet because Djoker swears by it? If one player is doping, it would mean that they all are doping. I sometimes wonder if the people who think buff, muscular arms and extra body weight are somehow beneficial to tennis players have ever played tennis a day in their lives?

by Anonymousreply 5711/03/2013

[58] I still say it's only possible for him to be juicing if the other players know and don't care. If you've noticed the "evidence," surely Roger and Novak have too!

I love all four of the top players. I think tennis is the most exciting when they're all playing at their best and anyone can win. I admire Federer's grace and variety (he's obviously the GOAT). I love Nadal's persistence and athleticism. I love Djokovic's talent and competitiveness. And I even love Murray's sourness and effort. The only way I could love tennis more would be if all of the top 10 or 15 players had a real chance of winning the majors. My hope for 2014 is that the race for number 1 becomes a multi-player contest. I think Roger's best is behind him, but Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, and maybe a couple of the younger players could make it the most competitive season in a long time.

by Anonymousreply 5811/03/2013

[R58] Similar things were probably said regarding every doping speculation in an individual sport, but whatever. Ready to move on from this discussion and go back to talk about the gorgeous men on the tour! =)

[R59] I'm sick of Djokovic and Rafa TBH. They meet in too many finals, and their constant stranglehold on most of the best tournaments is really making the game at the top level stale for me. I like to follow the small tournaments more these days. Dimitrov's victory in Stockholm was delightful and an impressive show of resilience in the finals =D.

Personally I think I'd love most to make Paire my BF lol. He's cute.

by Anonymousreply 5911/03/2013

There used to be a way to watch challengers on the internet but many of those site have been seized,R61. Now, I just go to local challengers to watch in person.

I'm still all about Dustin Brown. Pablo Andujar is also on my list.

by Anonymousreply 6011/03/2013

I think my best-looking ones are Paire, Berdych, Dimitrov, Gulbis. They're all so tall though. There are so few players that wouldn't tower over me, and even if there were, they aren't as good-looking as those tall Euro-hunks D=.

by Anonymousreply 6111/03/2013


by Anonymousreply 6211/03/2013

For some reason I rarely find extremely tall guys attractive. I'm 6ft 1 and I like guys to be no taller than 6ft 3. But I know many people tend to like the really tall guys.

by Anonymousreply 6311/03/2013

Berdych looks so handsome in this picture from the ATP Championships. Usually he seems for forgetable!

by Anonymousreply 6411/03/2013

lol R64 is that Dimitrov walking in the background? I wonder when this gif is from. I love Serena. SO much personality in addition to her awesome game.

I agree Dustin Brown is gorgeous/hot. It's too bad he's older and likely his results won't improve. If only he had had better training when he was younger, he could have had a much better career.

by Anonymousreply 6511/03/2013

yes that's Dimitrov... I think it was before the US Open this year.

by Anonymousreply 6611/03/2013

Yes Dustin is sexy. He's 28 but a lot of players are playing their best tennis around that age. I'm just not sure that the best trainers and coaches would be interested in a 28 year old ranked at 146 and I'm not sure he could even afford them. I wish he could get back into the top 100, he's so sexy he can replace the newly retired eye candy James Blake.

by Anonymousreply 6711/03/2013

I noticed for quite some time that Nadal is reported as being almost unable to play, at the start of the major tournaments. Then, he "barely" wins, as reported. To me, that's phychological game playing. He makes his opponents think they don't have to give it their all; that he's a lame duck, practically. Then, it's seemingly, GOTCHA! This is just my impression based on reporting at the start of major tournaments.

by Anonymousreply 6811/03/2013

[R66] Berdych used to be a bit forgettable (I admit) despite being handsome, until his twitter came along. I think his twitter has made people see him in a different light.

by Anonymousreply 6911/04/2013

For r59, who "sometimes wonder[s] if the people who think buff, muscular arms and extra body weight are somehow beneficial to tennis players have ever played tennis a day in their lives":

1) yes, we have - and some of us considerably more

2) doping is not just about "buffing up", "muscular arms" and "extra body weight" - it's also about increasing stamina, helping you train those extra 3 or 4 hours a day while you're out of competition, healing quicker after niggling and even serious injuries, building resistance, and even bolstering your self-belief and sense of invincibility (tennis, more than most other sports, also has a very strong psychological/mental component)...

For r59, and for all the other people who think juicing isn't beneficial in tennis, there's a link below you might be interested in reading.

I'm personally not sure one way or the other (and, because of my love for tennis, I swing from the "yes, they must be doping" to the "they couldn't possibly be doping" camp within the space of an hour) - but I do know that much of what we've been seeing from players recently is so off the charts that everyone's been asking themselves the same question: are they on the juice or not?

Would other tennis players who aren't doping notice or have their suspicions? I think they absolutely would. But how do you come out and vent your suspicions? If you haven't got hard proof, you either push for tougher testing regulations (which a few tennis pros are calling for) or you just shut up. Not an easy situation, especially when it almost seems the ITF, WTA, and ATP are more interested in pooh-poohing the idea that anyone might be doping than uncovering and punishing the dopers (Cilic, anyone?).

by Anonymousreply 7011/04/2013

R72 is correct, and people who claim we would've heard something are nuts.

Agassi was on meth, which is on the WADA list because in controlled use it can boost energy and stamina. Did everyone know? Did anyone attribute his phenomenal energy to it? Was he caught?

Who had Cilic on their radar about his (alleged) drug use?

It can include Clenbuterol -- good for asthma patients, performance enhancement for breathing and stamina. It can includes intravenous laser therapies and hemodyalisis.

Nadal and any of the players for that matter are millionaires many times over. They can afford sophisticated and enhanced treatments that may be on one side of the banned line, especially when they claim it was treatment for an injury.

Frankly, I put it past none of them, including Federer with his miraculous back recovery and Djokovic with his gluten-free diet. That could be the reason they don't rat each other out.

by Anonymousreply 7111/04/2013

Cilic's ban was lifted already. He's back on tour.

by Anonymousreply 7211/04/2013

What's your point, R74?

The suspicion was he was doping and skipping tests. Back on the tour doesn't mean it wasn't true.

by Anonymousreply 7311/04/2013

R72, if doping suspicions aren't about a particular player's physicality then why is it always the more muscular player's who are accused of doping? It should be obvious what the ideal body type for tennis looks like and it's isn't big and muscular ( How many top players are built like Nadal?). Yet muscular players are consistently accused of doping. Nadal is accused of doping while Federer ( who went years without serious injuries or missing tournaments), Ferrer and others who aren't as muscular are not.

Tennis is an incredibly incestuous sport. Coaches, trainers, nutritionists... are passed around more frequently than a sloppy bottom in a San Francisco bathhouse during fleet week but we are supposed to believe that doping would remain isolated to just one or two muscular, top players. I can't take this stuff seriously.

by Anonymousreply 7411/04/2013

Is it just me or has Wawrinka gotten into better shape recently? He's looking pretty good this week!

by Anonymousreply 7511/04/2013

R77 I agree, very good...

by Anonymousreply 7611/04/2013

R72, Nadal's got huuuuuge muscles, and it doesn't seem to have hampered him in terms of results on the court... I'm not saying he got them through doping, but it doesn't seem very consistent with your argument that large muscle mass = poor or hampered tennis performance.

If it comes to that, Serena's pretty massive, too. I'm not saying she got that mass through doping, if course, but again it doesn't seem to be consistent with your argument that big = not the right body morphology for tennis.

And rumours abound about the very svelte Djokovic, to be honest. And Ferrer, who's a small, slenderish chap (btw, I just found out he's an inveterate smoker. With all that running!!! Amazing how much is hidden to even the most assiduous tennis follower/groupie!).

Sesil Karatantcheva and Yanina Wickmayer are also relatively thin, yet both have been hounded by allegations of doping, and have even been suspended (Wickmayer, iirc, for failing to disclose her whereabouts to doping authorities, and Karatantcheva was suspended for two years for use of 'roids [so much for the theory that all modern 'roids lead inevitably to elevated muscle mass] - even though her official excuse was that the norandrosterone in her body was due to a [conveniently] miscarried pregnancy [or was it misplaced? Her father was none too clear on that point]- not even the whitewashing WTA was buying that one).

by Anonymousreply 7711/05/2013

Sorry, r79 was meant as a reply to r76, not r72! Been a long, long day...

by Anonymousreply 7811/05/2013

To all the Nadal doping conspiracy theorists: If you've watched tennis closely, you would know he's played the exact same way since he was a junior. He's ALWAYS been a freak in terms of endurance. Always. That's why he's the second greatest player of all time. And his incredible endurance and ferocity has come with a price: His knees. It's a chronic condition, it won't get better. He will need to take breaks to rest them. And his loss at Wimby this year was just ill preparation, not his knees. It was a freak loss.

If anyone has had a mid-career "switch" in how they play, it's Novak. And I love Novak and don't think he dopes, but that's what you look for in doping. A change. Nadal has never changed his game. Again, his endurance has always been why he's can beat the best.

by Anonymousreply 7911/05/2013

I agree with {r81} and there is a mental endurance that we have not seen before. He is relentless. I have also seen Nadal play, and he is a lot thinner than he appears on tv.

by Anonymousreply 8011/06/2013

[R82] I think they're all slimmer in person. The camera adds weight to tennis players.

by Anonymousreply 8111/06/2013

Djokovic is thinner in person but Nadal is not. He has more on his frame than most tennis players.

by Anonymousreply 8211/07/2013

A little more food for thought (and then we can get back to discussing players's glutes and VPLs :-) )

by Anonymousreply 8311/07/2013

One last bit (and Djokovic sounds like a real tool).

by Anonymousreply 8411/07/2013

Berdych had so many nice things to say about Nadal. I honestly think they are good friends, and that it's genuine too. He lit up when he talked about Rafa in the post-match interview. It was very cute!

by Anonymousreply 8511/07/2013

Gasquet and Wawrinka are going to be the bottom boys of this year's World Tour Finals. It's annoying they're in the top 8. I expect them both to go 0-3 in round robin matches...zzz...

by Anonymousreply 8611/07/2013

Nadal has had an amazing year to come back from injury and win so many touraments and regain the World No 1 position wow I take my hat off to the guy.

I seriously doubt if Andy 'Misery' Murray's comeback will be that successful. Misery will also have a lot shorter lay off period than Nadal did.

R88 I love both Gasquet and Wawrinka's games especially their awesome powerful one handed back hand, it's a thing of beauty.

by Anonymousreply 8711/07/2013

I miss Soderling so much =( Beautiful serve and strokes and the self-belief required to beat the best even if he didn't always pull it off. During his year-and-a-half period as a top player and healthy I'm pretty sure he beat every top guy, and Rafa twice.

Plus I find him oddly sexy.

by Anonymousreply 8811/07/2013

Thank Christ Rafa is letting his trail grow back. I must say he looks fetching in powder blue.

I also think Novak's gluten-free miraculous metamorphosis sounds, erm, fishy.

Roger is over.

by Anonymousreply 8911/07/2013

Rafa is not as thin as Djokovic, but he in person he is definitely nowhere near as buff as he looks on TV. It's the same for all the players - men and women - they are much more slightly built than they appear on TV.

by Anonymousreply 9011/07/2013

@ R 91 as far as Roger goes it's better to be a hasbean than a never was.

I am a huge Federer fan but I have to admit his best days are behind him.

by Anonymousreply 9111/07/2013

[R88] Wawrinka won his first match against Berdych so he's already impossible for 0-3 LOL

by Anonymousreply 9211/07/2013

PLEASE don't laugh, but I just need to ask. On another forum people are speculating that a certain Canadian player might be gay. I'm on the fence about this one, because I quite distinctly remember him speaking about a girlfriend in the past. And this was before he made it, so I'm not sure he would get a beard at that time. That said, he does have certain mannerisms, and he does sorta ping. He might be bi, or at the very least bi-curious. I don't know.. I'm confused. I just wanted to know what you guys think? :)

by Anonymousreply 9311/10/2013

R88, don't worry, they won't be next year, when Tsonga and Murray are back. That said, Wawrinka definitely deserves to be there. He's had a great season. Gasquet? Meh.. not so much.

by Anonymousreply 9411/10/2013

lmao I mean who would care if Raonic is gay? He's so asexual-looking in every way with his frog-like face and average body.

by Anonymousreply 9511/10/2013

Or could it be Posipisil? Hmmm…

by Anonymousreply 9611/10/2013

I hope Djokovic roasts that pig's ass tomorrow. Just a week or so ago he was "injured" when he lost to Ferrer? OK gurl.

by Anonymousreply 9711/10/2013

No, R98, R97 was right. I was talking about Raonic. Some people are speculating that he's gay. Honestly.. like I said, he does sorta ping, but then I know he had a girlfriend at one point. So idk, I'm confused.

by Anonymousreply 9811/10/2013

R99, what are you smoking? He never said he was injured when Ferrer beat him.

I still do not for the life of me understand why people here like Djokovic so much. He's not hot, he acts like a clown most of the time, he's obnoxious, and his parents are even worse. Then there's the fact that he comes from one of the worst homophobic countries in Europe.

Give me Nadal's disgusting game over Djokovic's any day. At least Nadal is hot, got a great ass, is humble, and comes from a country that actually has gay marriage. So yeah.. Spain > Serbia.

by Anonymousreply 9911/10/2013

No R101 was exhausted... oh wait, he wasn't juicing.

Nole winning will be more interesting.

by Anonymousreply 10011/10/2013

R101 I'm not a fan of either. I'm just tired of Nadal claiming injury or fatigue 1 day but being 100% when he wins the next day.

by Anonymousreply 10111/10/2013

R103, HOW is Rafa claiming injury any different than Nole claiming injury/fatigue/whatever? He used to do it all the time too. I'm sick of all the Nadal hate in here. It's like Nadal is the only one guilty of doing the things you say, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Djokovic is no saint either.

Anyway, I'd rather cheer for a gay friendly guy, who comes from a country with gay marriage, than Djokovic, who comes from gay bashing Serbia. They can't even have a gay pride parade without being viciously attacked by the right wing neo nazis!

by Anonymousreply 10211/10/2013

R101 needs to up her dosage.

by Anonymousreply 10311/10/2013

The next great players can't come soon enough. I'm SICK of Nadal/Djokovic/Federer/Murray.

Del Potro can't beat them consistently. He's always a threat, but indoors is his worst surface anyway. Maybe he'll catch fire for the AO next year.

Berdych is a headcase.

Tsonga is always injured and a headcase but has the tools to beat them.

Raonic-he doesn't appear to have enough game at this point. Great serve and good forehand, but the rest of his game is so attackable.

Gasquet/Wawrinka/Almagro just aren't going to happen, ever.

Ferrer ended up being the bottom bitch this week and hopefully he'll be out of the top 8 by next year. He's just an underpowered grinder.

by Anonymousreply 10411/10/2013

R101 / R104, we get it.

You hate Serbia as a "gay hating" country and want Novak to lose for it. You are so ridiculous with this bigoted bullshit it's tiresome.

We have been over and over how Nadal's miraculous recoveries are far beyond any other players' claims. Novak has always had energy issues but has worked on it. He doesn't go from injured and claiming he can barely play one week to showing no sign of injury in the next week. This year is where it's become transparently odd. Period.

But nothing anyone can say will overcome your anti-Serb, anti-Novak bias.

You're really pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 10511/11/2013

I suspect Nole is better hung than Rafa. But I'm really an ass man, so I kind of prefer Rafa. But Nole looks like a good kisser and has better hair. But Rafa's pits are so sexy. But I love that swirl in Nole's chest hair. But...

by Anonymousreply 10611/11/2013

Nole! Nole! Nole! YES!

by Anonymousreply 10711/11/2013

That was a bit of a beat down!

by Anonymousreply 10811/11/2013

and yet again, Nadal CANNOT win the biggest indoor title. You can't be the GOAT if you can't win the YEC/WTF. It's just under slams in terms of importance. You have to play 5 matches and win at least 4 (usually players can lose 1 round robin match and advance to the semis) against all top 10 players. Nadal just can't beat 4 top 10 guys back to back, especially indoors.

Thank you Djokovic for saving tennis, and I'm not even a Djokovic fan.

by Anonymousreply 10911/11/2013

NOLE! Where are you Rafabots now?! Let's carry this 22 match winning streak into the Aussie Open, thank you very much.

by Anonymousreply 11011/11/2013

[R111] I love Rafa, but Federer is the GOAT, no question.

Djokovic played wonderfully. I'm always surprised by his ability to play so poorly for many of the big tournaments against the top players, especially Rafa and Murray, and yet play like the best player ever when he really sets his mind to it. I wish he'd play like this all the time.

I also wish Rafa could play as well on an indoor court as he plays on an outdoor court, but I also wish the finals of every tournament would end by the finalists fucking each other right there on court and that's never going to happen either!

A friend of mine thinks Rafa's primary goal in 2014 will be to win the Australian Open. If he wins that, he'll have won ever Grand Slam twice, which would be hugely impressive. I'd love for him to do it, but even if he does Fed's still the GOAT in my book. Of course, the AO is the only Grand Slam Djokovic has won lately, so he'll probably do it again in 2014.

Djokovic has a long way to go to match Rafa's overall record. If he could just get it together again like he did the year be beat Rafa nearly every time they played, he could start achieving the kind of record Rafa has. But Rafa's got another good year or two left before he retires. He'll wait until he's surpasses Sampras's record. Once he's done that, I think he'll be content to be among the top 5 ever.

by Anonymousreply 11111/11/2013

Djokovic got back in good form just in time to set up 2014. This win was psychologically important for him, after losing to Nadal in two slams this year - he can, now, focus on winning the Australian again.

I don't know if Roger has it in him to go all the way and win another slam. He would have to do what Andre did on his return - get into the best shape of his life. I doubt he has the motivation or the time to do that. He seems to be enjoying his time off court.

by Anonymousreply 11211/11/2013

I am a Nadal freak, and I'm starting to feel very bad for Fed.

It's gonna happen to Rafa and the others too, if they stay in the game long enough.

by Anonymousreply 11311/11/2013

R113, if Rafa wins an AO and another French, I'd put him neck and neck with Roger. 17 Slams to 15 Slams. But the majority of Fed's Slams were from 2003-2008. He played NO ONE good or legendary, except Rafa, who beat him routinely. From 2009 on, when Nole and Murray began to take form and compete for Slams, Rafa has the most Slams. Fed is third, after Nole. If Rafa or Nole had reached their peak when Fed did? They'd each have five or six more Slams.

Also, Fed's H2H versus Rafa is just pathetic (22-10) and it's hard for me to give Fed the GOAT title if he can't beat his main rival. I mean, it's not even close. Fed has the a beautiful game. Rafa's is more grit. I think if he gets to 15 Slams, it's a three way tie: Laver, Fed, Rafa.

And Fed fans, the YEC are NOT the same thing as a Slam. Not winning it isn't like not winning the French or a Wimby. Ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 11411/11/2013

I don't feel bad for Fed, only because I think he still loves playing. There is a chance that he will be inspired and win another slam. You never know. All in all, he's been dealing really well with the slow decline. As a bonus, he seems to have a really healthy life outside tennis.

by Anonymousreply 11511/11/2013

If Nadal plays long enough he will have a losing record against Djokovis and A LOT of other players.

Nadal is simply a bad match up for Roger. Definitely not the GOAT.

by Anonymousreply 11611/11/2013

[quote]And Fed fans, the YEC are NOT the same thing as a Slam.

It's an important tourney. All the great ones have won it more than once.

by Anonymousreply 11711/11/2013

exactly, R118

R116 everyone knows the YEC is not on par with a slam, but it's just beneath a slam in terms of importance. Nadal is the ONLY player to have won more than 2 slams who has not won a single YEC. That is not a good stat to have. What does it prove? That Nadal struggles when he has to only play top 10 players consecutively. It is grueling, for sure, but to be the GOAT, you have to be able to fight through and win at least once. C'mon chica.

by Anonymousreply 11811/11/2013

Indoor hard surface is not his favrite.

Lucky for him carpet is not around any nore...

by Anonymousreply 11911/11/2013

R120 he's been in a couple finals, so you can't say someone of Nadal's caliber couldn't handle the "grueling" situation, especially someone as mentally tough as he has proven time and again. It's a surface thing, which by no means is an excuse, but is more correct. I'm sure if this tournament was played outside or even on a different surface nadal would have no problem with the grueling prospect of winning 4 or 5 matches against top eight players.

by Anonymousreply 12011/11/2013

[quote]I'm sure if this tournament was played outside or even on a different surface nadal would have no problem with the grueling prospect of winning 4 or 5 matches against top eight players.

The only thing you can be sure about is that Nadal would be winning this thing had it been played on clay. Other than that... it's like saying, I'm not sure Nadal would have won Wimby had the surface not been slowed down. It's all speculation.

by Anonymousreply 12111/11/2013

R122 Federer won a slam on his worst surface-clay. Nadal can't win the biggest tournament on his worst surface, the indoor YEC.

It must have taken a lot out of him in reaching the final, as he was comfortably dismissed. Berdych took him to 3 sets and Wawrinka took him to 2 tiebreak sets.

Nadal still has to prove himself at the YEC indoors.

by Anonymousreply 12211/11/2013

Nadal has proven himself by owning Fed in their head to head

by Anonymousreply 12311/11/2013

2013 season is over now (except Davis Cup but who gives a shit ;)).

Here's to less Rafa-Nole finals in 2014. Fucking sick of them.

Also Nando won the doubles YEC. A pleasant and totally unexpected surprise.

by Anonymousreply 12411/12/2013

Quit acting like the YEC is a Slam. It's not. Rafa does not need a YEC to be considered the GOAT. He needs one more AO and then one more other Slam, on any surface, and then it's Fed v Rafa.

by Anonymousreply 12511/18/2013

R127 it will look weird on his resume if Nadal never wins the YEC, whether you want to believe it or not. You have to beat all top players in order to win it. It's not a slam, but still very important.

by Anonymousreply 12611/18/2013

[quote]You hate Serbia as a "gay hating" country and want Novak to lose for it. You are so ridiculous with this bigoted bullshit it's tiresome.

Why is it tiresome? I'm just speaking the truth. It's you who have a problem with it. You're living in denial, not me.

[quote]We have been over and over how Nadal's miraculous recoveries are far beyond any other players' claims. Novak has always had energy issues but has worked on it. He doesn't go from injured and claiming he can barely play one week to showing no sign of injury in the next week. This year is where it's become transparently odd. Period.

Lots of players have had recoveries, including Serena on the women's side. Djokovic on the other hand got better because he changed his diet. You're such a hypocrite if you think Nadal is doping, but Djokovic isn't, when Djokovic's story is just as fishy.

Nadal won this year because he adjusted his serve, and he took advantage of the other players playing like sh!t. He didn't even play that well when he got back. That's why I find all this doping stuff ridiculous. I mean.. as soon as Djokovic raised his level, Nadal lost. IF Djokovic didn't choke during the USO, he would have won. Nadal wasn't even that good. He just took advantage of a weak field. I still think Nadal would have lost in the SF if he had to play Murray. He was lucky he didn't have to.

Doping would have made sense if Nadal was playing amazing, but the fact is he didn't. He was just slightly better than all the other head cases on tour.

Oh, and btw.. Nadal is living with a CHRONIC condition. It's obvious you don't know what chronic means. He will NEVER get better. He will just have to live with it. Some days are better than others, that's what it's like living with a chronic condition. Nadal is no different. He takes breaks because of the strain on his knees. I don't even think he's that injured. I just think he takes some breaks so he won't destroy his knees completely. It's a preemptive measure. It makes sense.

[quote]But nothing anyone can say will overcome your anti-Serb, anti-Novak bias.

Umm.. why would I like a racist and gay hating country like Serbia? Serbia is hated all over Europe. Ask yourself why that is, or do you just want to continue living in your bubble thinking they're so perfect? They defended a mass murderer for years. A majority of the population STILL think he did nothing wrong.. like slaughtering thousands of muslims is "ok". Oh yeah, and then there's the Kosovo issue too, which Djokovic refuses to talk about (aka he doesn't support them). Djokovic is just like all the other serbs, nationalistic, gay hating and racist.

I'm from Norway. And my country is by no means perfect. My country is also racist and conservative, but at least we don't slaughter innocent muslims. At least we don't defend a mass murderer, ala Breivik. At least we have gay marriage, and gay people here are free to live openly without the fear of getting gay bashed by neo-nazis like in Serbia.

But by all means.. if you like Serbia so much, why don't you go and visit Serbia. Try being openly gay there. Try going to the pride parade.. oops, you can't. Serbia doesn't even have a pride parade because of the neo nazis.

Here's a gay pride parade in Serbia..

by Anonymousreply 12711/19/2013

Gay pride parade in Madrid.. 1 million people showed up. No riots, just people celebrating love. As it should be.

Now please tell me.. would you still choose Serbia over Spain?

by Anonymousreply 12811/19/2013

Spain is the most gay friendly country in the world. Serbia? Who the heck knows. They weren't in the research. But they probably belong somewhere close to Russia.

by Anonymousreply 12911/19/2013

Here you go.. Spain is in a shared 4th place with other countries. I don't agree with this research, they got one minus point for being religious. It's ridiculous. Spain is NOT that religious today. Spain is actually fairly secular compared to other catholic countries in Europe, much more secular than Italy or France. So imo they should have at least been in third place. Anyway.. just see where they placed Serbia.. in 13th place, with countries like Turkey, Cuba, Senegal, Romania and Poland. Something to be proud of no? LOL. They got minus for "pride banned" and "locals hostile". Again.. sounds good, no? :)

by Anonymousreply 13011/19/2013

Donald young will be the GOAT. He's the best thing since sliced bread. He will be the savior of American tennis. He'll be a class above all the other players. You just wait and see!

by Anonymousreply 13111/19/2013

R129 R130 R131, as a Swede, I'm embarrassed for you.

All of these latest posts prove that you don't like the nation of Serbia and its official and much public hostility toward gay people.

This is NOT about Serbia.

It's about Novak, who happens to be Serb. For you to assume Novak shares all of those homophobic views or deserves to be constantly swept up in your anti-Serbian views is why you are showing your prejudice against a person because he is connected by birth to a group you dislike.

There are plenty of people who could assume things about Norwegians based on the current government, particularly on gender issues, or Swedes as well based on our racist behaviors of the Swedish police. It doesn't mean we share those views.

So it is disturbing and tiresome because you cannot only see that your prejudice is from the same kind of group-bashing as the homophobia you oppose, but that you continue to bring down tennis threads with all of this garbage because you found a public Serb to bash.

Take it elsewhere. Surely there are plenty ethnic hate groups in Norway where you can indulge in this crap.

by Anonymousreply 13211/19/2013

oh god this again?

wasn't there a Norwegian somewhere on this board whining about all the bible thumpers and muslim thugs in the small towns in Norway making it not a gay friendly place? if that was you r129 you're a hypocrite. if it wasn't you the two of you make Norway look like a crazy fucked up damaged country.. no wonder you're the butt of so many jokes.

r129 listen to your fellow Scandi at r134 this isn't a thread about Serbia.

breivik must be lonely these days. he would eat this shit up.

by Anonymousreply 13311/19/2013

just give me serbian cock. Find me more men who look like Troicki and Tipsarevic!

by Anonymousreply 13411/19/2013

"like slaughtering thousands of muslims is "ok"."

I spent the summer in Bosnia. The country is only 35% Muslim.

by Anonymousreply 13511/19/2013

For r129 - stop, please just stop. You are embarrassing yourself. What you say, i.e. that

[quote]Serbia is hated all over Europe.

is just NOT true. Those of us who live in Europe are well aware of extreme, right-wing homophobia THROUGHOUT the entire continent (including Norway, where you are from, and Italy, where I currently live), but it would simply be racist to make a blanket statement about an entire country (which would include all those people who are suffering as victims of homophobia). There are some countries where, for historical and cultural reasons, homophobia is more institutionalised than in others, but it's clear to me that this can (albeit sometimes very slowly) be overcome (take Italy, for example, where the culturally and religiously institutionalised homophobia is very slowly eroding and giving way to some possibility of legal recognition of same-sex couples).

It would never occur to anyone (except racists) in Europe to state that all Serbs are homophobic (they're not), or that all Serb players are homophobes (if Djokovic is, then he's a consummate actor).

There's only one thing that is definitely true, though, and that is that you're a loon.

by Anonymousreply 13611/19/2013

Great posts, R134 and R138!!

by Anonymousreply 13711/19/2013

For the bigot at R129 - R133, it is apparently Serbia that has now become a safe haven for trans people to get medical care, whereas Serb filmmakers last year have been challenging homophobia, making a progressive gay film one of the top grossing films in Serbia.

And you - enlightentened Norwegian you claim to be - think all Serbs by default are worthy of being assumed to be as "bad" as the Serbia in your head.

Why don't you get to work on Norway's problems, you know like requiring trans people to be sterilized, like in the good old Nazi times?

by Anonymousreply 13811/19/2013

Troll-dar says that our Norwegian who claims Norway is one of the worst places for gay people may not be R129, but even in that thread troll-dar shows that the Norwegian seems to be working off of different computers Compare R36 in that thread to R117/R118.

They sure do write like they share the same kind of unhinged reasoning, and the other Norwegian seems to think Norwegians are in no position to be bashing Serbia as singularly as he does.

So, R129 can you take all of that shit over there and get back to TENNIS?

by Anonymousreply 13911/19/2013

c'mon this is not about politics. This is about tennis and tennis gossip.

Like Nuria Llagostera-Vives (now a doubles specialist but used to play singles) has been banned for METH use!

by Anonymousreply 14011/19/2013

R135, that wasn't me. I'm a social democrat. I don't mind immigration actually.

by Anonymousreply 14111/26/2013

R138, it IS true. Serbia has a bad reputation all over Europe for a reason. The slaughter of thousands of innocent muslims and them hiding a mass murderer for years might have something to do with it. Or the fact that they're right wing neo nazis. Heck.. even Roger Federer has commented that he's not a huge fan of Serbia or Serbian politics.

But R138, by all means, just continue to worship Serbia. Why don't you travel to Serbia if you like Serbia so much? You seem to ignore all my points, which I have backed up with facts and statistics with good sources. Why don't you counter argument my arguments, if you love Serbia so much? Like.. what do you think about the treatment of gay people and immigrants?

BTW, funny that you mention Breivik, considering he hailed Serbia as an example to follow, exactly because they killed thousands of innocent muslims. He said all the countries in Europe should do the same. Breivik has always supported Serbia. Doesn't that tell you something?

But again, by all means.. travel to Serbia, heck, attend a gay pride parade and see how long you'll last without getting beaten by the neo nazis. Then again.. pride parades in Serbia are STILL banned, and the EU said they were "concerned" with the conditions in Serbia when it comes to LGBT people.

If you want to worship a gay hating and racist country, heck go right ahead. Don't let me stop you. I prefer to cheer for a guy who's from the most gay friendly country in the world, where they have gay marriage, and where all people are treated as equal, unlike Serbia. Whether you like it or not, these players are indeed tied to the countries they're from. heck.. Davis Cup is an example of that. Also, all the players have their respective country flag next to their name on the big result board in all the slams for a reason.

by Anonymousreply 14211/26/2013

[quote]Responding to violent attacks against a vulnerable community, such as LGBT, by banning them from peacefully gathering and expressing themselves further violates their fundamental human rights, and rewards their attackers.

by Anonymousreply 14311/26/2013

Serbia bans gay pride march again, citing right-wing threat..

[quote]Conservative societies across the Balkans have been slow to accept greater gay rights, which are routinely met with violence when expressed in public.

by Anonymousreply 14411/26/2013

Really good article on neo nazis in Serbia, about their support for mass murderer Mladic, and the denial of the Srebrenica massacre.

by Anonymousreply 14511/26/2013

R128, Rafa has a convincing H2H against every single top 8 player. He beats them. All the time. The YEC is a week long and it isn't five sets. It's more of a Masters Series than a Slam. And no one has won all the Master's series. I think Nadal is closest - winning every one except Shanghai, Paris and Miami. It's sort of like saying Fed can't be considered the GOAT of all time because he doesn't have a Gold Medal. It's a hole in his resume, for sure, but not an exceedingly important one.

by Anonymousreply 14611/26/2013

R148: The announcers for the final tournaments of the year said many times that Novak Djokovic has won all the ATP Masters 1000 titles, except one, Cincinnati (Western and Southern Open). No one else, including Nadal and Fed, is that close to winning them all.

by Anonymousreply 14711/27/2013

Somebody ban this stupid fuck at R144 - 147.

Have you read anyone here worshiping Serbia? NO.

Why, because this is NOT a thread about Serbia, and bashing Djokovic because of it is pure bigotry.

Cut this shit out.

by Anonymousreply 14811/27/2013

R148 you crazy Nadal stan-it doesn't matter how you try to downplay it, but the YEC is the biggest title after the grand slams. It IS a big deal that Nadal can't win it. It definitely counts more than the masters events whether you like it or not.

Additionally, Djokovic has been closing the h2h gap for a few years now and it's only 22-17 in Nadal's favor. They could easily be even by the end of 2014.

The point is Nadal does beat top players, but he has a lot of trouble consistently beating more than 2 top players at the same tournament. The reason why he can't win the YEC is because he simply can't beat enough top players in a row on an indoor court.

End of.

by Anonymousreply 14911/27/2013

Over the last two/three years Djokovic has been the best male tennis player in the sport.

That's partly because Nadal has been injured. Still injury is part of the game -- Novak has sailed through without any physical problems. And Nadal's physical problems are not going away.

by Anonymousreply 15011/28/2013

Some updates:

Poor Nadia Petrova :( Her mother died in a car crash 2 days ago.

former top 5 player and home invasion victim Anna Chakvetadze officially retires

Kei Nishikori has added former #2 player and slam winner/super christian Michael Chang to his coaching team

dramatic Dokic loses in first round of AO WC playoffs to Gajdosova.

Former Aussie coach of Seles, Henin and Wozniacki, Paul Arber has gone missing. He was last seen swimming in a river at 4 AM:

by Anonymousreply 15112/11/2013

Sharapova getting her lesbian on, on Ellen promoting Sugarpova (I saw and the bitch didn't even give out free samples to the crowd. Greedy, selfish, stingy bitch). How is this overpriced gummy shit doing well? Who is buying it? Listen to her answer about grunting lol

by Anonymousreply 15212/12/2013

As if Federer didn't have enough money, he's now partnering with his agent (and hubbie of Mary Jo Fernandez) Tony Godsick to open a "boutique agency". That means they will be very selective about who they choose to represent and so far only Federer, Del Potro and Dimitrov are in the roster

by Anonymousreply 15312/12/2013

"Maria Sharapova interview nytimes: Against Russian Anti Gay Law"

Deeply attached to her parents and her heritage, Sharapova said she had never questioned her decision to represent Russia despite her American accent and addresses. She said she was not interested in politics, but she did discuss the controversy generated by a Russian law that went into effect in June. The law, viewed as antigay, bans “propaganda on nontraditional sexual relationships” with the aim of protecting young people.

Sharapova said she had gay and lesbian friends and believed individuals should have the opportunity to share their lives with whom they see fit.

“I think what needs to be addressed will ultimately be addressed,” she said of the law. “I think time will address this issue. It will. I’m proud of being Russian, because I believe in the true core of its history and the culture, and that’s where I grew up, and I feel very proud to be from there. But never have I said that every individual there is perfect or every law is right.”

by Anonymousreply 15412/16/2013

She is the queen of PR statements. "time will address" it? Really? what kind of a BS answer is that. The time should be now. I really feel for the gays living in Russia. It's ok closet lesbo Shriekapova, you can enjoy your down low romances in the freedum of the US, the country which has given you everything.

by Anonymousreply 15512/16/2013

r153 - I think Nadal's team set up something like that a few years ago. Not positive though.

by Anonymousreply 15612/18/2013

Daniela Hantuchova looking hot in her new 2014 calendar

by Anonymousreply 15712/19/2013

She's pretty but they used a LOT of photoshop. On court without makeup, her face is cracked up with lines and freckles/age spots. Her body is also unappealing.

by Anonymousreply 15812/19/2013

r157 - those shots of DH are so photoshopped I don't think it's ethically acceptable to pass them off as shots of DH. Still, if she needs the money...

by Anonymousreply 15912/20/2013

R149, I'm a huge tennis fan, not merely a "Nadal" stan. I actually love Nole. He's a clean ball striker, his backhand is magic, he's a wonderful player. But he's not yet Nadal. Just like Nadal is not yet Fed. He may get there.

And you're right about the Masters. Nole needs Cincy, Nadal needs Paris, Miami, and Shanghai. Nadal has more Masters than anyone, but I guess you forgot that.

However, I stand by my belief on the YEC. It's a hole in the resume for sure, but Slams are what counts. Nadal has 13. Nole has 6. Nole is in the Conners/Mac/Agassi/Llendl/Rosewell/Becker/Eberg conversation.

Nadal is in the Laver/Fed/Pete/Borg conversation.

End of story.

by Anonymousreply 16012/20/2013

Finally someone being objective. Thanks for your post, R160. I completely agree with what you said. I don't even like Nole, which has been made perfectly clear from my posts on this thread. Still.. I gotta admit he's a terrific tennis player. He's exciting to watch (unlike Rafa), and he's probably more naturally talented than Rafa too.

That said, Rafa clearly has the advantage in the GOAT debate. In the end the slams are what matters the most, Rafa has 13, Nole has 6. But it's not too late yet. Nole might catch up to him. You never know.

by Anonymousreply 16112/20/2013

R161, I feel Nole is a lot like Agassi. Pure ball striking? They really are the best. Fed has the most beautiful game. Borg was just a killer. Mac was all fire. Conners tried harder than anyone else with the least amount of talent. Llendl had the steely resolve that made him never seem upset or emotional. Pete had the best one-two punch of all time (and frankly not much else. I feel Andre and Llendl and Mac and Borg could compete with Fed/Nadal/Nole. Not Pete. Just a personal opine). Nadal has a crazy forehand, but not much more. A decent backhand. A good not great return. But he just wills himself to win. And the fact he now has five Slams outside of his 8 RGs? It means he's simply in the GOAT conversation.

by Anonymousreply 16212/20/2013

r161 - Novak may catch Rafa, sure, but it's completely subjective who's more exciting to watch. Novak looks like a overwound robot to me.

And can we please put to rest the asinine claim that Rafa just "wills" himself to win? That's just stupid. Possibly wee man Hewitt willed himself to win 2 (almost 3) slams. Nobody wills his way to 13. Just because you lack the ability to describe his particular talent doesn't mean he lacks them. He's an unconventional talent. Just leave it at that.

by Anonymousreply 16312/20/2013

Fucking moron, R163. I'm a HUGE Nadal fan. He doesn't have a fluid game like most of his peers and he still wins. He never gives up. His forehand, when he has time, is the one of the best ever. He does WILL himself to win often. I'm not talking about against a Berdych or Tsonga. They aren't in the convo. I'm talking about the best ever. He was so smart to give Fed's weak one handed backhand all the backspin. It's tougher with Nole because Nole can handle the height.

Nadal doesn't have the best tools. But he's managed to be in the GOAT of all time because of intangibles. And that sick forehead, and his backhand, when he flings it cross court because of his right handedness. I love Nadal. Would rather watch him than any player ever. But that doesn't mean we can't break his game, or any other's down. That's what we do. Sheesh. I can't wait for Rafa to win 17 or 18.

by Anonymousreply 16412/20/2013

just 1 more week!

by Anonymousreply 16512/20/2013

Disagree about R160, she/he is just a more acceptable version of R164. It may have been put in a nicer way, but it still was a big shout out in favor for Rafa.

by Anonymousreply 16612/21/2013

hahaha yaaaas hunty! Djokovic has been working with new coach Boris Becker at a training SPAIN during the off season. Sending Nadull a message. Invading that territory.

by Anonymousreply 16712/24/2013

R167 = crazy

Why would gays support a homophobe over a gay friendly (and possibly gay) player? Spain is the most gay friendly country in the world. Serbia.. not so much. Serbia kills their gays. Spain does not. Spain has gay marriage. Serbia can't even hold a gay pride parade.

by Anonymousreply 16812/24/2013

Djokovich is not Serbia.

by Anonymousreply 16912/24/2013

I want a first time men's slam winner at the 2014 AO. I REALLY don't want Nadal, Djokovic, Federer or Murray winning again...

by Anonymousreply 17012/24/2013

Serena Williams was voted ATP athlete of the year.

If Fed doesn't win a slam in 2014, I'm going to stop including his name in the slam conversations.

by Anonymousreply 17112/26/2013


I visited Spain during the early 1970s when Franco was still alive. Spain was far from the most gay friendly country then. Franco was in power from the end of the Spanish Civil War in the late 1930s to the mid-1970s. Even if Nadal was playing tennis back then, it would not have been his fault (huge understatement). But since you have made such grand statements about Spain, I have to respond with 20th century history of the country.

by Anonymousreply 17212/26/2013

Looks like Caroline Wozniacki is engaged to Rory?

by Anonymousreply 17312/31/2013

Hopefully any kids they have will look like Woznicki, not her trollish husband. She's too young in her career to get pregnant so hopefully that won't happen for another 5 years.

Yaaas. Mugray lost to possible gay Florian Mayer today in 3 sets.

by Anonymousreply 17401/01/2014

Ana Ivanovic (def. Venus in Auckland), Na Li (def. Peng in Shenzhen) , Serena Williams (def. Azarenka in Brisbane) and Rafael Nadal (def. Monfils in Doha) are all first week title winners in 2014. On sunday, Federer will face longtime foe Hewitt in Brisbane while in Chennai, Wawrinka will go up against random finalist Roger-Vasselin in the last 2 first week events.

by Anonymousreply 17501/04/2014

So Rafa or Nole for the Aussie? Who wants to lay claim first? The surface is tailor made for Nole, but I think Rafa might take it.

by Anonymousreply 17601/04/2014

wow TOTAL wtf but Hewitt def. Federer in Brisbane! You can see highlights on the atp homepage. Wife & child abandoner Wawrinka wins Chennai with the easiest of draws.

Djokovic has no AO warmups...weird and risky.

Nadal is definitely the favorite although he hasn't played on Australian courts yet this year and conditions there are quite different than in Doha.

by Anonymousreply 17701/05/2014

Ok, this is weird. I haven't been able to access this thread since November, yet I'm seeing all of these posts. Every time I tried to enter this thread it said that it "no longer existed." Jeez, I guess I can't really reply to to R77 two months later! Did this happen to anyone else?

by Anonymousreply 17801/05/2014

R178 no it didn't but sometimes the site is weird...what you can try doing in the future is do a google search with datalounge and the name of the thread and see if you can open it that way.

by Anonymousreply 17901/05/2014

OK thanks, R179, I try that if it happens again (hope not).

by Anonymousreply 18001/05/2014

anyone else tired of Kerber? such a boring grinding game...

by Anonymousreply 18101/06/2014

Nadal - JMDP, Murray - Federer.

Berdych - Ferrer, Djokovic - Wawrinka.

by Anonymousreply 18201/09/2014

Australian Open draws OUT

Yaaaaaaas! Nadal drew Tomic first round. Finally he won't have an easy first round.

by Anonymousreply 18301/09/2014

He won't have an easy draw at all, (R183). Top half of the men's is loaded.

by Anonymousreply 18401/10/2014

Unfortunately, only two of these three players are likely gay. I'm still hoping the third one is, too, though :-)

by Anonymousreply 18501/12/2014

YAAAAAS action starts in just over 8 hours!

by Anonymousreply 18601/12/2014

So, which ones of the big guys will lose in round one?

by Anonymousreply 18701/12/2014

R187, I so hope it's Rafa.

by Anonymousreply 18801/12/2014

R188 me too but the way Tomic went down so badly to Del Potro in the Sydney final (3-6 1-6) doesn't give me much hope. The only good thing is Nadal has only practiced on the Aussie courts this year but didn't play a tournament. If Tomic plays well and feeds off the crowd he could give Nadal hell.

by Anonymousreply 18901/12/2014

R189 - I'm hoping the crowd will push Tomic to a victory, as well. Rafa was looking a bit seedy (and supremely antipatico) in that photo I posted at r185 (and Rafter was looking so cutely fuckable I could barely keep my hand out of my pocket); he needs to go home early this Australian summer.

In the women's draw (but is anyone interested any more?), it looks like Swilliams has nothing but a series of sacrificial lambs until the final - where, if Lezzapova turns up instead of the thunderingly boring Azarenka, she'll be hacking into her seventh sacrificial lamb in a row. If anyone's got the stomach for that sort of culinary excess, it's Swilliams.

by Anonymousreply 19001/12/2014

Go, Lezzapova!

by Anonymousreply 19101/12/2014

Well, a definite no-go for Tomic, who was booed as he retired and walked off the court. From what little I saw (or anyone could see - the match was over after a mere 6-4 set), I'm not sure that Rafa is the same unbeatable behemoth of 2013. Still, Rafa always tends to start the season (and most grand slam tournaments) off pretty slow, so who knows?

by Anonymousreply 19201/14/2014

No comments on the obnoxious post-interview question from Courier to Nadal?

"I can't let you go without asking you a personal question. Where is your girlfriend? Why doesn't she travel with you? We NEED her down here. Tell her to get down here."


Nadal's answer to these kinds of questions shows him to be a lot smarter than he lets on, simply saying "if the girls here are happy..."

But what the hell is wrong with Courier? Married and closeted so he can't stand the thought of Rafa not having his girlfriend around so he'll stop wondering why he's single?


by Anonymousreply 19301/14/2014


You making something out of nothing. The question about his girl friend was the last of five or six tennis questions. Rafa's answer was that his girl friend doesn't like the long flight from Spain to Australia. I've flown from Philadelphia to Australia three times; it's a legitimate question question and answer. Answer: because of the significant jet lag on the flight home.

by Anonymousreply 19401/14/2014

Tomic is a pussy, plain and simple. He needs to get in better shape-his legs aren't developed at all so I'm not shocked he had a groin injury.

Nadal got lucky though-a potentially tricky first round was avoid by his typical slam luck. I hope Monfils shows up in round 3 to send his fat ass back to Mallorca.

Sharapova and Azarenka will probably meet again in the semis-yawn. I can't stand those 2 megabitches.

by Anonymousreply 19501/14/2014

btw Republican Isner did his typical move again-go fucking all out the week BEFORE a slam in some meaningless minor tournament then he has nothing left when the slam starts lmao. That ankle injury obviously happened in the Auckland final against Lu (Lu should have won that).

by Anonymousreply 19601/14/2014

R194, I'm not making something out of it. I have no problem with Nadal's answer.

Courier was pathetic. He said "We need her here."

Most of the European press called it "cringe"-worthy.

by Anonymousreply 19701/14/2014

R197: Is there any evidence that Nadal was upset with the question? If not, people are making something out of nothing.

by Anonymousreply 19801/15/2014

r198 reads like a snotty little schoolmarm.

no one said Nadal was upset. who said this is about protecting Nadal's feelings?

the chatter was about Courier who was presumed to be closeted for years before he suddenl got married and is now squeaking like a little schoolgirl over Nadal's girlfriend, who many people think their relationship is odd. actual reporters have said so.

it'a s gossip site, r198, and this is the "gays in tennis" thread.

do you have to be such a pissy contrarian?

by Anonymousreply 19901/15/2014

enough about Nadull...damn.

Someone who's actually hot, Fabio Fognini, won last night and looked sexy doing it.

by Anonymousreply 20001/15/2014

R199: My basic concern is the same as R200's. Yet another post about Nadal that is of no interest to me, and likely few others who are not in love with Nadal. We already know that Courier is a poor interviewer who is probably gay so it's old gossip at this point. Take a cold shower and calm down.

by Anonymousreply 20101/15/2014

The hate for Nadal in here in unreal.

Anyway.. I'm just happy the cute Canadian tennis player Vasek Pospisil managed to win his match. He's into the third round, where he's facing Stan!

by Anonymousreply 20201/15/2014

I'd love to see Pospisil knock out that chubby, pockmark-faced, wife/child abandoner Wawanker.

by Anonymousreply 20301/15/2014

Shriekapova in trouble, bitches!

by Anonymousreply 20401/15/2014

Finally. What a match.

by Anonymousreply 20501/15/2014

On another note, is Jack Sock fit fat or just fat? And wouldn't he feel lighter, and move a bit faster, if he ditched that enormous iron crucifix around his neck? Couldn't he make the same point with a much lighter crown of thorns, or even a hair shirt or cilice?

by Anonymousreply 20601/16/2014

Jack Sock changed shirts at one point and he looked fit.

by Anonymousreply 20701/16/2014

R201, your "concern"? Pretentious twat. R199 is right, you're schoolmarming. Get help. And I say that calmly. You don't have an interest in a question? Ignore it. You've answered it 3 times. You have problems.

Back to the tennis....

I have to say despite the heat being ridiculous for play, it's really showing off the bodies of these guys.

Murray, who I never really liked, looks great, wet shorts and all. I did notice on his watch commercial someone touched up his bald spot, but he looks good...

by Anonymousreply 20801/16/2014

Murray does look very hot in his wet, tight, white t-shirt. I want to lick those nips!

by Anonymousreply 20901/16/2014

Jack Sock shirtless, not today....

by Anonymousreply 21001/16/2014

Another recent one, needs to work his chest and shoulders and arms... well, a lot above the waist...

by Anonymousreply 21101/16/2014

Unfortunately Vasek Pospisil has withdrawn with a back injury. This is really too bad. He's going to be a force to reckon with some day. But to already have back problems is not a good sign.

by Anonymousreply 21201/16/2014

Well that's unfortunate...

On another front, love this clip where Roger says he admired Stefan's hair :)

Stefan is definitely a DILF now, the voice is still sexy, love how he holds his hands. Too bad there was never any more substance to those rumours about his gay experiences, because he'd be a keeper.

by Anonymousreply 21301/16/2014

Thanks fir the Jack Sock pics, r210 / r211. Let's just say that little Jack is fit, but also fat. :-)

Oh, and those crucifixes from last year have nothing on the Greek cross he was wearing at the Aus Open.

by Anonymousreply 21401/16/2014

Sock also has unfortunate child actor face, reminding me of this annoying kid.

What's the story with the crucifixes? No photos of shirtless Sock that I can find from Aussie Open 2014.

by Anonymousreply 21501/16/2014

Get grandma at R201. Her concern is that she and others who have no interest in Nadal will be discussed here.

Fuck off Granny... Nadal + the heat = sexy as hell.

Now that's what a chest and arms should look like.

by Anonymousreply 21601/16/2014


by Anonymousreply 21701/16/2014

Cute Bellybutton from Sock...

by Anonymousreply 21801/16/2014

Fabio F

by Anonymousreply 21901/16/2014

And again...

by Anonymousreply 22001/16/2014

Eugenie Bouchard is sure being pushed as an up and comer. Blonde & 'tennis' good-looking, so I suppose the WTA is thrilled. In interviews, she comes across confident and ambitious which is good to see. Haven't seen her play, so I have idea about her talent level or style. She's another Bollettieri-bot so I'm not expecting a lot of finesse.

by Anonymousreply 22101/17/2014

Damn, Ivanovic looks like she found her old confidence in this third set vs. Stosur. Her forehand is fierce and her service return is impressive,

by Anonymousreply 22201/17/2014

Are Sloane Stephens and Jack Sock dating (officially)? And why is Hingis always showing up in Robredo's box?

by Anonymousreply 22301/17/2014

She snuck in

by Anonymousreply 22401/17/2014

R223 yes and it's bizarre pretty Sloane is letting fugly Sock tap that.

Bouchard is pretty but certainly not gorgeous, then again neither is Sharapova. Bouchard has a decent game and I think she'll definitely be top 10, not sure how high she can go though.

by Anonymousreply 22501/18/2014

Unfortunately it came via injury timeout, but FINALLY we got to see Donald Young shirtless! He has a cute, tight body to match his face:

by Anonymousreply 22601/18/2014

r223 I thought Robredo is gay?

by Anonymousreply 22701/18/2014

I always got bisexual teas from Robredo...I could picture him exploring men but always having a woman around.

We also know Hingis has ALWAYS been thirsty for da diq.

by Anonymousreply 22801/18/2014

I think Muguruza will be better than Bouchard-she has a bigger game and took out Wozniacki today.

Looking forward to Serena vs. Ivanovic, Azarenka vs. Stephens, Sharapova vs. Cibulkova...

Anyone notice the turkey neck on Makarova? damn. She has that turkey wattle thing and is just mid 20s!

Hot Tsonga trashed Shitmon, thank goodness.

by Anonymousreply 22901/18/2014

Robredo is gay. Gay, gay, gay.

by Anonymousreply 23001/18/2014

Rafa just schooled Monfils. His ass is looking as fine as ever.

by Anonymousreply 23101/18/2014

P.S. - How awkward was it (in the post-match interview) when Courier asked him about which players he enjoyed watching? Rafa declined to comment about the women (acting as if his girlfriend would be jealous) so Courier asks him to comment on the men and there was this strange pause/tension in the air before he fumbled about and praised Fed.

by Anonymousreply 23201/18/2014

That's why I like having Courier do the courtside interviews. He makes it awkward which is always fun.

by Anonymousreply 23301/18/2014

Like taking about Wozniaki is some big feat

by Anonymousreply 23401/18/2014

I will die of uncontrollable, hysterical, happy laughter if midget Cibulkova snatches Sharapova's stringy strands off her scalp in the next round.

by Anonymousreply 23501/18/2014

Wow. Ivanovic beating Serena was certainly unexpected. Sharapova and Azarenka must be dancing a jig.

by Anonymousreply 23601/18/2014

Unexpected, but hardly anything to cry over.

by Anonymousreply 23701/18/2014

Love how Williams acknowledges the "back injury" and then says she doesn't want to blame anything. Such a class act.

by Anonymousreply 23801/19/2014

There's no denying the consummate class Swilliams always displays when she loses. Ever the lady, compliments for her opponent are hedged cleverly between refusals to talk about her various injuries while actually talking about her various injuries.

by Anonymousreply 23901/19/2014

Has Kevin Spacey showed up yet?

by Anonymousreply 24001/19/2014

Love the shorter shorts on Rafa. Damm,that man has some meaty thighs. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

by Anonymousreply 24101/19/2014

After winning his match, Courier asked Novak if he had could pull an impression of his new coach, Boris Becker, out of his bag of tricks. Novak probably had one ready. Good for Courier! Here is Djokovic as Becker, with an added tease at Boris' recent foot problems. Enjoy

by Anonymousreply 24201/19/2014

Am I the only one who thinks that Rafa has gotten a bit too thin?

I miss that meaty ass!

by Anonymousreply 24301/19/2014

Serena's answer was fine...she obviously had a back injury but Ana obviously played very well. People make a big deal out of nothing.

I hope Tsonga knocks out old man Rogie.

by Anonymousreply 24401/19/2014

Post Tsonga-Fed match (yes, r244, the old codger won), Courier asks Fed why he wears two pairs of socks. Fed: "What, are you checking me out?" [friendly laugh]

The implicit given of Courier's interest in men is present in too many of these Courier-on-male-players court-side interviews to be a coincidence. These people are often in each other's pocket, and I think some of their private banter and little quips find their way into the public domain, and they're not always appreciated. Courier's (slightly pointed) reply to Fed's question was "That's a fan's question."

by Anonymousreply 24501/20/2014

How about just saying no to the money and the job, and really taking a stand, Maria?

by Anonymousreply 24601/21/2014


Exactly. It's not like she's starving. This will definitely backfire on her in the Western market.

by Anonymousreply 24701/21/2014

r245 - Ha! I never think of Roger as having any sense of humour. I might start to like him again if he can make JC twist a little.

Though part of me just thinks RoboRoger is too oblivious to know about Courier and truly was just going for some bro humour. 'Men checking out other men in a sexual manner. HILARIOUS!' Which, bleh.

r246 - Wow. Maria is such a grasper. I doubt it will have any impact on her marketability here though.

by Anonymousreply 24801/21/2014

Sharapova, bitch, sit your ass all the way down. You're American and have been since you were at least 7, if not before. She's very rich, but only famous in the US to those people who follow tennis. None of the non-tennis fans in my life know who she is or what she looks like. Kournikova is still more famous lol

btw typical in-the-closet-lesbian answer "it will be addressed in time". Bitch, the time is NOW. The rest of the world is talking about Russia's stance on gays and she wants to pretend it's not happening.

by Anonymousreply 24901/21/2014

r249 - I agree with the sentiment, but she has pretty high name recognition in North America. Not as high face recognition, but she's obviously working on it by taking a gig like this where people will see her out of her tennis gear. She's always been all about money and her brand, so I didn't expect anything from her.

I was more surprised & disappointed when Marat Safin turned to politics and voted yes on the anti-gay policies. Not that he probably had much choice, but it's his choice to be in politics.

by Anonymousreply 25001/21/2014

@andy_murray 8h

3 things.. I don't smoke grass, I'm not getting married(yet) and I don't want to kill rafael Nadal..

by Anonymousreply 25101/29/2014

but does he want to smoke Rafa's ass?

by Anonymousreply 25201/29/2014

Wow, Lezzapova really is all about the money nowadays… First she accepts the Sochi job ("I will NOT talk about anything but sports!"), and now the entire Paris tourney she's playing in is plastered, top to bottom, with Sugarpova ads.

Couldn't this be seen as an example of conflict of interest? I dunno, but if she's pumping money into a tourney, the chair and tournament umpires, explicitly or implicitly persuaded to do so by the tournament owners, are hardly likely to settle questionable line calls against her, are they? Especially considering the Paris tournament has no electronic line calling. Just sayin'...

by Anonymousreply 25301/30/2014

She planned to change her name to sugarpova before US Open last year. Really? "Game, set and match Sugarpova"? Her agent wanted Li Na to wear a sugarpova hat this year at Australian Open. Luckily that didn't happen either.

by Anonymousreply 25401/30/2014

Cuntapova is the worst thing to happen to women's tennis. She really is. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Hopefully the newcomers will improve enough this year to overtake her.

Currently only Serena owns her, with Azarenka, Li and Cibulkova able to beat the bitch sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 25501/30/2014

To be honest, r256, I'd put so many of the current WTA into the same cunt-category: Lezzapova, Swilliams, and Azarenka are just the top three of what seems to be a limitless crop of cuntitude (other junior members would be Kerber, Stephens, and Kvitova). If they're not insufferable divas, then they're unwatchable because they're so boring (Wozniacki, any of the Spaniards…).

Li Na seems to be the only exception to the rule—but that seems to be based on one shot (breathtaking backhand) and a comic routine that will probably get tiresome the 100th time of repeating.

by Anonymousreply 25601/30/2014

Wozniacki fired her coach after two months.

I guess her father will get back to the coaching job no?

by Anonymousreply 25701/30/2014

oh masha

by Anonymousreply 25801/30/2014

R257 I don't mind diva behavior. I just can't stand Cuntapova as a whole entity-from her game, to her grunt, to her haughty air, to how the press overrates her looks and accomplishments to the whole mildly-attractive-slam-winning-blonde-gets-paid-the-most shit.

I don't like Azarenka either but Cuntapova is just the worst.

Plenty of the men are no picnic either but none are as overrated and celebrated as Cuntapova.

by Anonymousreply 25901/30/2014

Melanie Oudin has been working on a serve and volley game and she plans to unleash this at the US Indoor in Memphis next month. Mel is tired of being outhit from the baseline, so she has overhauled everything and is going to make a real run at no. 1.

by Anonymousreply 26001/30/2014

lmao Oudin doesn't have the power on her serve or groundstrokes to allow her to come to net very often. On top of that, she's recovering from rhabdomyolysis which is why she skipped the AO.

by Anonymousreply 26101/30/2014

I'm curious r245. When Courier finally got married, I figured he wasn't gay, though I'd always suspected --and heard rumors -- that he was. Am I being naïve? Despite the too skinny lips and my concern that the pubes might be orange, I think he's an appealing, manly dude and I'd be very willing to have sexual congress with him. What's the inside scoop?

by Anonymousreply 26201/30/2014

The WTA top players are all horrid beasts, each one a bigger cunt than the other. I think Azarenka is the worst but Williams and Shriekypova aren't too far behind.

by Anonymousreply 26301/30/2014

[quote]sexual congress

LOL! Young Goodman Brown posting from the grave.

by Anonymousreply 26401/31/2014

I'm still hoping a new young gun comes out of nowhere and starts kicking all the top guys' asses this year. Wawrinka has been around for a while so it's not as fun seeing him upstage the top guys.

by Anonymousreply 26501/31/2014

Word, R266.

by Anonymousreply 26601/31/2014

I feel that if Monfils had a bit of discipline in his game, he'd be challenging the top guys. He's crazy talented.

by Anonymousreply 26701/31/2014

See Rafa strip for the obvious pleasure of a (male) spectator, see Fognini squirt all over his own face, see Dimitrov spread his legs--and much, much more...

by Anonymousreply 26802/01/2014

Grigor sure looks flexible.

by Anonymousreply 26902/02/2014


Grigor doesn't do it for me, but I can see where all the gay rumours are coming from. And yes, he sure is showing some pretty impressive flexibility there :-)

by Anonymousreply 27002/03/2014

I know this is old (and it's only part 2), but I happened across it again today and thought, "Fuck! If only a few men on the ATP had these sort of balls!"

by Anonymousreply 27102/04/2014

Chrissie kills me with her pursed lips.

by Anonymousreply 27202/05/2014

She used to kill opponents on the court with that same look.

by Anonymousreply 27302/05/2014

I make fun of Chrissie and her questionable commentating skills all the time, but she was a great champion, and with Martina, part of one of the greatest rivalries in all of sport.

So much respect for what those two did for tennis, sports, and women.

by Anonymousreply 27402/05/2014

Word, r274 and r275.

by Anonymousreply 27502/06/2014


by Anonymousreply 27602/06/2014

Just saw Shameless (US version), season 3, episode 9, and thought this little joke was quite funny (and revealing):

Frank Gallagher (pretending to be gay, so he can sponge off the pro-gay lobbyists): "I have a gay son, and never have to worry about him impregnating some skanky neighbourhood slut and bringing home her four halfbreeds. I wish I'd known I was gay back then. I could have risen high in any one of the many fields dominated by gays—entertainment, politics, broadcasting… (hesitant pause)… tennis."

by Anonymousreply 27702/10/2014

lmfao!!! anyone watching Sharapova on NBC during the Olympics as "a correspondent"? She keeps talking about how "proud she is to show Russia to the US audience and Sochi, the place where she grew up". Bitch, you moved to Florida when you were fucking 7. How many "cultural" memories of Sochi does she have? She wasn't even born in Sochi. She was born in Nyagan which is FAR from Sochi. Sharapova is such a phony.

Additionally, her flat personality really shines through on tv...

by Anonymousreply 27802/10/2014

Is Piss Evert still the world's worst commentator? Is she still single? Isn't it time she got married again? Or has she gone lez and shacked up with Pam Shriver, the famous heterosexual?

by Anonymousreply 27902/10/2014

Rihanna & Serena Williams Are Fighting Over Drake’s Love — Report

by Anonymousreply 28002/26/2014

ooooo Rihanna, you in danger gurl

by Anonymousreply 28102/27/2014

Chris has a lower pitch than Martina now. She's the man in that relationship. But I so wished they would get into politic catfights since Martina is an outspoken Dem and Chris a Rep (although not so outspoken).

by Anonymousreply 28203/01/2014

Oooh, Grigor, girl, you got some hot dance moves!!

by Anonymousreply 28303/02/2014

Not sure I can post a gif, but Grigor's Ricky Martin moves are even better giffed... She is soooo smooth...

Oh, and re. Acapulco party clip, isn't Pospisil the cutest little twink evah??

by Anonymousreply 28403/02/2014

Aww, cute!

by Anonymousreply 28503/05/2014

Larry Ellison is so creepy but he owns the Indian Wells tournament so we have to look at him every year.

I really hope that Serena/Rihanna report isn't true. Why the fuck would they fight over someone as ugly as Drake? They can both do so much better.

by Anonymousreply 28603/06/2014

R287 Of course it isn't true. Don't believe everything you read.

by Anonymousreply 28703/06/2014

I thought Serena was fucking her coach.

by Anonymousreply 28803/06/2014

Andy Murray had better do well, winning both Indian Wells and Miami, because the clay court season beckons and he does terribly on dirt every year. He could the out of the 10 by the time Wimbledon starts with his 12 month record. One semi since Wimbledon - in a lesser event! He could do well at Queens, but yikes..

by Anonymousreply 28903/07/2014

Serena is still fucking her coach.

by Anonymousreply 29003/07/2014

R290 I wouldn't mind seeing Murray drop down the rankings.

Lukas Rosol is HOT! He is a good looking guy but he's handsome and manly looking, not pretty and dainty as his compatriot, Berdych, is. Too bad Rosol imploded after the first set against Murray today.

by Anonymousreply 29103/08/2014

Djokovic wants a piece of Grigor.....look at the way he looks at Dimitrov's crotch....

by Anonymousreply 29203/12/2014

R293, it looks like there's lots going on there. Just look at the way Grigor massages Novak's shoulder...

by Anonymousreply 29303/12/2014

Grigor is very into it.

by Anonymousreply 29403/13/2014

Dimitrov tries to plant one on Monfils. Is he the tour pass-around bottom?

by Anonymousreply 29503/13/2014

The Joker and Dimitrov did a stripping thing at one match

by Anonymousreply 29603/13/2014

And Rosol is a really nice guy, too (R292). He and his girlfriend are both just genuinely nice, unaffected people.

by Anonymousreply 29703/13/2014

Who is Pam Shriver's current girlfriend? Is she no longer with Monica Seles?

by Anonymousreply 29803/13/2014

Sloane Stephens is a lousy tennis player. Please stop trying to make her happen.

by Anonymousreply 29903/14/2014

I would pay to see Novak and Grigor get their freak on together.

by Anonymousreply 30003/14/2014

R300 Stephens has the talent, just so far hasn't shown the mentality to be a champion. When she is nervous, she is too passive. It's quite clear when she plays well that she is a quality player though. Hopefully Annacone can get her to be consistently good. That match with scrub Pennetta was fucking dreadful. Pennetta has made a career out of engaging in and often winning scrubfests. I've never seen her beat a top 20 player cleanly. She's solid but has to hope the top players play like shit for her to have a chance.

Thank goodness for Dolgopolov this tournament! He is such an entertaining player to watch. Very talented but again his problem is inconsistency.

Good for Raonic for taking out Murray too. The image of Murray scurrying off court and running into the little cart to be transported to the hotel was fucking hilarious. These tennis players really are spoiled.

by Anonymousreply 30103/14/2014

I'm so glad Nole beat Stretch Isner. That fundie freak should be playing basketball, not tennis.

by Anonymousreply 30203/15/2014

I wish the final wasn't Djokovic-Federer though. We had some different guys break through but they couldn't stop all of the 4. Hopefully Miami will be better. Dolgopolov, Raonic, Gulbis and Dimitrov-hopefully 1 of them will reach the Miami final.

Pennetta is so fucking boring to watch.

by Anonymousreply 30303/15/2014

I'm not a fan of Serena Williams but I cannot wait for her to come back and beat the hell out of these players.

by Anonymousreply 30403/15/2014

Chrissie appears to spend most of her time with female friends these days. Maybe she's sampling the bearded clam now.

by Anonymousreply 30503/16/2014

Serena played in Dubai a few weeks ago but lost to head-case Alize Cornet. She'll be the favorite in Miami though.

by Anonymousreply 30603/16/2014

Today's men's final would be a lot more interesting if Nole would play in his underwear...

by Anonymousreply 30703/16/2014

Nole has gained some weight, but I'd still like to see him take his shirt of.

Thought, in order to do this he's have to win first.

by Anonymousreply 30803/16/2014

Who is Gulbis fucking?

Who is fucking Gulbis?

by Anonymousreply 30903/16/2014

Maybe the Joker will stop in at a clothing optional Palm Springs gay resort!

by Anonymousreply 31003/16/2014

buh bye Hypechard! "Genie" is so overrated.

Gulbis is a good looking guy but he needs to tone up a bit and get more consistent. I like that his attitude is not boring, but sometimes he can act a bit like Roddick, which is never a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 31103/21/2014

Blind Item #1 [CDAN]

No makeup, hair pulled into a ponytail and she was wearing a baseball cap but that was definitely this A list entertainer(athlete)/celebrity who had an Asian woman from the same career field sitting on her lap and making out with her. Maybe she has finally decided to be honest with herself after a failed string of celebrity boyfriends. I'm not sure that the people at home will forgive her though.

Definitely Sharapova. Wonder who the Asian woman was?

by Anonymousreply 31203/23/2014

Sloane lost 6-1 6-0 to Woz. Nuff said that she truly sucks.

by Anonymousreply 31303/24/2014

I only watch tennis when Rafael Nadal is on. Just to lust over his ass. Never cared about the game.

by Anonymousreply 31403/24/2014

I hope Sloane can pull it together. There's a lot of pressure on her. I still think she has the potential to win at least one slam in her career. Venus was a later bloomer too...winning her first slam at 20. I don't feel Sloane is in the Venus and Serena league though.

by Anonymousreply 31503/24/2014

Of course, La Spacey is watching the Murray-Djokovic.

by Anonymousreply 31603/26/2014

Sloane does have potential to be an amazing player. It's all a question of whether she can manage herself mentally during matches. She is her only obstacle from being a top 8 player.

Fuck yes Nishikori!!! Stud! Knocked out Ferrer and Federer back-to-back. thank goodness for some blood up in this bitch! Kei has made the tournament way more exciting than Indian Wells. With Chang as his coach, I expect Nishikori to improve his fitness and have a banging body by next year at this time. Kei is cute and I'd gladly take his dick any day.

by Anonymousreply 31703/26/2014

ITA, R317. I think Kei is hot.

Speaking of hot, Berdych looks like he could crush a Toyota between those thighs. Grrrr!

And I like Nole, but he was a douche about that point at net yesterday, which he clearly lost, and KNEW he lost.

by Anonymousreply 31803/27/2014

No matter how hard Maria tries, she just can't beat Serena.

But, I have to give her some credit, I thought she would have been off the court in an hour. Don't know what the fuck is going on, but Sharapova has been playing shit for months.

by Anonymousreply 31903/27/2014

R319, totally. Sharapova actually played great today. But her biggest asset - her return game - simply doesn't warrant much of a threat against Serena's serve. Serena is truly in a class by herself.

I will say Sharapova has such clean ball striking when she's on her game. Like Davenport did.

On that note, I often wonder if Davenport, or even Capriati, played now just how many Slams they'd win. Though Serena was clearly better, both could beat her on any given day. Oh and I miss Cljisters.

by Anonymousreply 32003/27/2014

Novak get naked for webcam (NSFW)

by Anonymousreply 32103/28/2014

He wishes he were that big. Jesus fucking Christ.

by Anonymousreply 32203/28/2014

lmao a sloppy, 50% of her capabilities-playing Serena still straight sets Cuntapova playing at about 90% of her capabilities. It's so absurd Cuntapova is the highest paid female athlete for the last 10 consecutive years when she clearly doesn't deserve it. You'd think she had 10 slams by now or something.

double WTF!!! Nishikori and Berdych punking out on us and withdrawing from their SF matches? pathetic and annoying.

as for that Djokovic "scandal" would be hot if it were true. There are a lot of guys with that same upper body type and coloring. Unless there are pics of his face in it too, I'm not believing it.

by Anonymousreply 32303/28/2014

r323, what's so absurd about the fact that Lezzapova is the highest paid female athlete, and has been since she won wimbledon at 17? And what's so absurd about the fact that she's paid much more than Swilliams? I don't like her at all, and I find her tennis technically and strategically boring (and her screeching unbearable), but all that money is forked out by sponsors who are investing in a player's "saleability" so that they can make more money when people who want to emulate the player buy the stuff she's promoting. Tennis ability (and the number of GS trophies won) has little to do with it, or at least all Lezzapova really needs to do is make sure her long-limbed blondeness makes it to the last few rounds of most tournies so that she gets as much media exposure as possible. In terms of "saleability," there's no doubt that sponsors perceive Lezzapova to be much more bankable than Swilliams—which also explains the string of fake boyfriends and the "extemporised" photo ops with Dimitrov and others. Swilliams isn't UNbankable—she's just perceived (rightly or wrongly is open to debate) as less bankable for a whole slew of reasons. Her USOpen blowup didn't win her any new sponsors, for example, and I think she'll be lugging that millstone around her neck for a long, long time to come.

by Anonymousreply 32403/29/2014

I wanna see Grigor in one of Maria's pretty outfits.

by Anonymousreply 32503/29/2014

What's absurd is that Maria is not remotely the prettiest player on tour. She's tall and blonde. That's it. Factor in her ugly tennis and unlikable personality, and her endorsement deals are indeed baffling.

by Anonymousreply 32603/29/2014

R324 , R326 explains well. On top of that, in the men's game, it's no surprise that Nadal and Federer earn the most off-court, as it should be. Djokovic hasn't caught up to them yet on-court and that reflects in his endorsements.

Sharapova isn't that pretty-she's attractive but not a stunner. Her personality ranges from corporate robot to snobby/bitchy and of course on court she's just obnoxious with her grunts. Her game is ugly too and she's a poor mover.

It is laughable that a lot of companies find her to not only be the most "saleable" (as you put it) female tennis player, but the most "saleable" female athlete EVER. Actual performance in one's own sport should be a factor. Sharapova never dominated the tour and only won a slam every few years (4 slams in total over an 8 year period). At the same time, 1 of the greatest female players ever to play the game is not only winning boatloads of slams, but she's often kicking Sharapova's ass to win them.

Sharapova has been the highest paid female athlete in history since her 2004 Wimbledon win. That's insane and undeserved.

I'm actually glad Li is doing so well-I understand why she has so many endorsements. No doubt she has inspired and will inspire thousands of Chinese and other Asians to play tennis and try it at a professional level in the future. I hope her endorsements pass those of Sharapova this year or next.

What people forget though is that Serena and Venus have inspired many black players not only in the US but around the world to play tennis too.

How the fuck is Sharapova more "saleable" than Li or Serena? Sharapova isn't even that famous in the US-where most of her endorsements are. Ask most people who aren't tennis fans here and they won't know who the fuck she is. Her off-court success just adds up to corporate racism.

by Anonymousreply 32703/29/2014

Ivanovic only has one Slam, but she is leagues ahead of Maria in the looks department. Maybe she cleans up in endorsements in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 32803/29/2014

Quite a beatdown Nole gave Rafa today.

But I must say, Rafa's legs have never looked better.

by Anonymousreply 32903/30/2014

yes! so glad Djokovic beat Nadal's ass and kept him from winning Miami. I'm glad there's finally an important title that the little piggy just can't win.

meanwhile WTF @ Judy Murray! Andy-control your mama! Judy made headlines this week as the press discovered she's been following and mocking Yoko Ono on twitter for months:

by Anonymousreply 33003/30/2014

LMFAO, R330!

That is a fucking great read! Judmoo rocks!

by Anonymousreply 33103/30/2014

always knew Judy Murray was a raging bitch. No wonder her son is a punk whiner. I wonder if his career will start to sink now that he and Lendl aren't working together anymore

by Anonymousreply 33203/30/2014

Andy Murray has dropped all the way to 8th in the world. I expected him to slack off after he got a slam. He's really letting down his fans.

Martina Hingis won the Sony Open in doubles 15 years after she did it the last time in 1999. She is a total mental case. If she stuck around instead of retiring and unretiring several times she could have added a few Grand Slam singles titles during the mid-2000s when the William sisters weren't playing great.

by Anonymousreply 33303/30/2014

Sharapova is absolutely stunning in real life. Like a whole new level of stunning.

by Anonymousreply 33403/30/2014

Well, R333, there was a lot of coke Hingis wanted to do, and a lot of horses to ride for a while...

Can't really blame her for being fucked up. She was raised to be a tennis machine and was winning slams at 16.

by Anonymousreply 33503/31/2014

Murray may 8th now, but at Wimbledon they'll seed him in the top four no doubt. His actual ranking could be as low as 15 if he does poorly in the clay events. That being said, he didn't play Paris last year and he could pick up points but his form this year has been horrible.

by Anonymousreply 33603/31/2014

R334 hardly. She's attractive but not beautiful. People just stare at her because she's VERY tall and is a blonde. There are plenty of much more attractive female tennis players. Hell, Sharapova isn't even the best looking blonde tennis player, never mind the best looking female overall.

by Anonymousreply 33704/01/2014

Back to R321, the webcam photo of Djokovic looks exactly like his body, although it's hardly unique. The cock shot is definitely not him.

It seems like Djokovic to like cams or send pics around. He's a showman.

by Anonymousreply 33804/01/2014

Amazing how much bigger his right shoulder is than his left.

by Anonymousreply 33904/01/2014

annnd the establishment has found its post-Sharapova superstar...they're all gushing over Eugenie Bouchard...

now the girl is a good, solid player. Her backhand is very good, her first serve is decent but the rest of her game is solid at best. Her forehand technique is flawed and can be picked on while her movement is solid but she's not fast by any means. She's a pretty girl but not a knockout beauty. Her figure is nice though. As for her personality, she seems to be an airhead-her favorite celeb she announced was countryman Bieber...

by Anonymousreply 34004/04/2014

anyone else here have the hots for Jamaican tennis player (who plays for Germany due to Jamaica not funding his career) Dustin Brown? I think he has a beautiful face, super long dreads, a lean athletic 6'5 frame and a flashy, yet wildly inconsistent game. He beat Isner this week and had his chances against Querrey in Houston.

Brown is 1 of those players who could have had a MUCH better career if he had had access to better coaching during his developmental years. He's capable of hitting some amazing shots (such as the tweener winner he hit this week) or make horrific errors.

of course he's on instagram too:

by Anonymousreply 34104/12/2014

Not my type, r341. Long hair + doe eyes on a man = big turn-off for me. He's all yours :-)

by Anonymousreply 34204/13/2014

In my 30+ years of watching tennis, the most handsome player I've ever seen is Tommy Haas.

by Anonymousreply 34304/13/2014

Plus, there's this factor...

by Anonymousreply 34404/13/2014

I agree that Dustin Brown is HAWT. He could be a model.

The also HAWT Verdasco won Houston today!

I think Haas is good looking but not the best looking. Gambill is gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 34504/13/2014

Anyone watching the tennis? Ferrer has just taken the first set off Rafa. Good game.

by Anonymousreply 34604/18/2014

Yaaas! Ferrer knocked out Nadal. That needs to happen more often.

I'm interested in the all-Swiss final now.

the Barcelona and Stuttgart draws for this coming week are loaded too!

by Anonymousreply 34704/19/2014

Djokovic's injury is a shocker. Nadal must be thanking his lucky stars.

It would be awesome to see Roger win his first Monte Carlo Masters.

by Anonymousreply 34804/19/2014

Hear hear R348. Would love to see him win it. Will be cheering him on.

by Anonymousreply 34904/19/2014

Arnaud Clement of France was very handsome.

by Anonymousreply 35004/19/2014

Here's another link, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 35104/19/2014

hey I'd watch Ferrer fill up Nadal's fat ass!

by Anonymousreply 35204/19/2014

Nadal, who's struggling, must be giddy right now. A wrist injury in tennis is often the kiss of death. This almost guarantees him the French, assuming he returns to form.

by Anonymousreply 35304/19/2014

Watching Djokovic against Federer reminded me of Nadal v Wawrinka at the Australian Open final. Not much of a match, quite possibly would have been much different had the loser been healthy. Must be agonizing to be let down by injury.

by Anonymousreply 35404/19/2014

[quote]Not much of a match, quite possibly would have been much different had the loser been healthy.

I don't know that I agree. Roger is playing pretty good right now, especially in three setters. Five setters, that's another story. He is, after all, five years older than Djokovic and Nadal, so it's expected that he'd be behind them in stamina.

by Anonymousreply 35504/20/2014

You mean you think Roger could still have beaten Novak even if Novak was healthy R355? I agree he has been playing well, but not that well.

Monte Carlo final - one set all, with Stan 4-0 in the third. Old age? Better technique? Who knows. 5 years ago Roger would have creamed Stan.

by Anonymousreply 35604/20/2014

Stan's roids must be kicking in

by Anonymousreply 35704/20/2014

Loved that Stan won! But seriously can someone please muzzle Tracy Fucking Austin. I hate her! She does not shut the fuck up!! I may cancel Tennis Channel just because of her.

by Anonymousreply 35804/20/2014

I'm not a Wawrinka fan BUT I'm just glad that someone new is winning big events. I wouldn't mind if he won RG.

I'm sick of Nadal/Djokovic/Federer and I never liked that little irksome cunt Murray.

by Anonymousreply 35904/20/2014

Fed is not playing so well than he would have likely beaten Novak if he was not injured. The fact that Stan beat Fed in the final underlines that point.

by Anonymousreply 36004/20/2014

No one can say with absolute certainty that Djokovic would have beaten Federer in the semis had he not been injured. And the fact that Federer lost to Stan today, does not prove anything. For anyone who follows tennis it's clear that at his age Federer's level can vary from day to day.

by Anonymousreply 36104/20/2014

[quote]I'm not a Wawrinka fan BUT I'm just glad that someone new is winning big events.

I feel the same way. I was a big Federer supporter for many years, but I've just reached the point where I'm ready to see some new names winning big events, men and women.

Ifs and buts - Novak felt healthy enough to take the court, so Federer gets the win, no matter what level Djokovic played at. But even Federer (in his post match remarks) said Djokovic wasn't 100%, and wasn't hitting the ball as he usually does. I'd take Novak over Roger on clay 4 out of 5 times these days.(Grass would be flipped, though.)

by Anonymousreply 36204/20/2014

Tommy Haas was super hot about 15 years ago. But he never had the "Wurst" like Nicolas Kiefer...

by Anonymousreply 36304/20/2014

Sometimes one breakthrough performance can change someone's entire career and sometimes it is just a fluke. I've played video games online. I would get similar scores for awhile and then I would get a score higher than I've ever gotten before and suddenly I'm getting those scores regularly.

I don't know if Stan will get another major. I doubt it. He is playing very well this year. He is one of the few players I root against. I don't like how he's played before using bathroom breaks and medical timeouts to desperately stop his opponents' momentum. He's also forfeited matches that he was most likely going to lose. I think Roger Federer has a lot to do with his success. They are friends. Roger doesn't want Nadal to surpass his record 17 grand slams.

by Anonymousreply 36404/20/2014

I still want a random guy to break through at the majors. Wawrinka was unexpected but not a shocker given that he has been top 10 before this year.

Check out the Barcelona draw-it's gonna be a Spanish bitchfest.

by Anonymousreply 36504/20/2014

Did Andy Murray retire?

by Anonymousreply 36604/21/2014

Since he has been working out with Gil Reyes and recently won the Clay Court Championship in Houston, I can see Verdasco having a good chance at going far in the French Open.

by Anonymousreply 36704/22/2014

R366 Murray said in a statement recently that he was taking time out to train and find a new coach after parting with Lendl. Clay is his worst surface anyway. He'll probably play 1 event before RG, crash out early at RG and try to lift his game for Wimbledon in defense of his fluke victory last year.

R367 Verdasco has always had the talent, it's just he's a headcase. Hell, he should have beaten Murray at Wimbledon last year but choked.

by Anonymousreply 36804/22/2014

what is going on here? is that who I think it is?

by Anonymousreply 36904/22/2014

It's Juan Carlos Ferrero, r369. Looks like Alex Corretja behind him?

by Anonymousreply 37004/22/2014

[quote] I think Roger Federer has a lot to do with his success. They are friends. Roger doesn't want Nadal to surpass his record 17 grand slams.

The idea that Roger would help Stan improve his play, so Stan would beat Nadal is ridiculous. I mean, really.

Roger just lost to Stan at the Monte Carlo Masters, so if, as you claim, Roger made Stan a better player than it really backfired on him.

by Anonymousreply 37104/22/2014

The Last Time... Tommy Robredo

The 31-year-old Robredo, a winner of 12 ATP World Tour titles, tells the last time…

I cooked for myself or others? Yesterday. I cooked pasta with grilled squid and some dessert for myself. The day before I cooked for me and my girlfriend. There were no complaints! She liked it.

by Anonymousreply 37204/22/2014

Monte Carlo Masters might have been a gift to Stan for beating Nadal at the Australian Open.

by Anonymousreply 37304/22/2014

R372 I'd love to have him explain to us why he was with meth gay slut Reichen Lehmkul on an episode Murphy's Guide on the Tennis Channel. It was a party hosted by Reichen too. I just don't picture Reichen having many straight male friends.

by Anonymousreply 37404/22/2014

Djokovic to become a father.


by Anonymousreply 37504/24/2014

hopefully the baby will look more like mommy...Djokovic isn't ugly but his nose and ears need to be downsized...

no one's gonna talk about Almagro knocking out Nadal in Barcelona? that's HUGE. Nadal is struggling! No Monte Carlo, no Barcelona...will he win Madrid, Rome and/or RG????????

by Anonymousreply 37604/26/2014

I sat next to Tommy Robredo's entourage on one of the outer courts at Wimbledon a few years ago: 3 stunning gay men and his coach. He gay.

by Anonymousreply 37704/26/2014

Nadal looks depressed. Is he going to quit? He looks depressed or bored, and he seems to play as if would rather be somewhere else.

by Anonymousreply 37804/26/2014

And Almagro just lost to Nikishori-Giraldo. Not, that is a hot ticket for that final, I am sure scalpers will be making a lot of money.

by Anonymousreply 37904/26/2014

Nadal has dominated clay for almost a decade now-he can't have a GOAT year every year. I'm glad he's not winning everything in sight. Obviously I hope it's not due to injury and hopefully just nerves/lack of confidence.

Sadly Cuntapova continued her Stuttgart win, as she has 3-peated there. Ivanovic played well for a good set and a half though before wilting. If she can keep her level up throughout a match against the top players, she can get back into the top 8.

by Anonymousreply 38004/27/2014

Nadal seems like he's lost a little bit of fight. Maybe he's just going through a slump? Quite refreshing to have someone else win though.

by Anonymousreply 38104/27/2014

Pleased to see the gorgeous Grigor winning in Bucharest, too.

by Anonymousreply 38204/28/2014

this week is going to be boring...only some MM tournaments...

then the next 2 weeks will be fun with Madrid and Rome.

by Anonymousreply 38304/28/2014

Going back to what we were saying upstream about Swilliams v Sharapova, it seems that not even French Nike shills can be bothered to respect the current ranking, and put Sharapova front and centre alongside Nadal and Federer. We all know that Swilliams is bigger, brasher, stronger, better, but it seems that people just want Sharapova.

by Anonymousreply 38405/03/2014

Elena Baltacha Dies After Cancer Battle

The former British tennis number one has died of liver cancer at the age of 30, her family has announced.

She died peacefully at her home early on Sunday morning, her family said.

Baltacha was diagnosed with the illness in January, just two months after retiring from tennis and only weeks after she married her coach Nino Severino.

by Anonymousreply 38505/04/2014

Sharapova is not that popular with fans, so not sure why Nike keeps pushing her front and center like that

by Anonymousreply 38605/04/2014

Terrible news about Elena Baltacha. RIP.

by Anonymousreply 38705/04/2014

omg that's terrible! poor Baltacha RIP. wow. so young. She's the third player in recent years to acquire cancer. Kleybanova has successfully come back from cancer but a few years ago there was a doubles specialist from Austria who played with her twin and also passed away from cancer. Just a reminder that anyone, even young professional athletes, can be stricken by this terrible disease.

by Anonymousreply 38805/04/2014

R384 & R386 Sharapova is only more popular in Europe. She's not a nice woman and is not friendly with fans. I think most of her fans don't know how unlikable she is if you're not a fellow celeb, rich businessman, or tv camera.

It's laughable that she not only continues to be the highest paid sportswoman of all time for the 10th straight year, but that the wta and even Nike try to promote her more than Serena, who will no doubt be much more remembered in tennis history. Sharapova isn't even that pretty.

by Anonymousreply 38905/04/2014

And yet, r389, sponsors don't seem to care much about "lasting legacy" or the GOATness debates. They never have—if they had, then Navratilova would have made much more from sponsorship deals than she did. I suspect that, more than Sharapova not being particularly liked in the States, it's a question of Swilliams being negatively perceived (according to sponsors) in the rest of the world, and especially in Europe. And that Sharapova "translates" (for whatever reasons beyond my ken) into whole market sectors where people don't even know what a tennis match looks like or even how tennis rankings work.

by Anonymousreply 39005/05/2014

Elena passed just three months after being diagnosed with liver cancer.

by Anonymousreply 39105/05/2014

R391 but unfortunately for Elena, she had had liver disease since the age of 19. Her illness kept her off the tour for periods of time. It's very sad but based on her medical history not a shock that she developed liver cancer. RIP.

R390 unfortunately I know A LOT of people who are not tennis fans lol. I have quizzed them for fun on how many tennis players they can name, and none of them knew of Sharapova. Some of them actually knew about Kournikova but simply didn't know she had retired. Isn't that funny that over 10 years since her last pro match, Kournikova is still more known to non-tennis fans than sponsorGoat Sharapova? I just don't understand why sponsors continually throw themselves at her. She has done NOTHING to boost the popularity of tennis at all. Serena may be polarizing but she brings in the viewers for both her tennis and her personality.

by Anonymousreply 39205/06/2014

No congrats to Roger on new GOAT twin boys? Roger has super sperm...twin boys and girls? Wimbledon should be fun in 20 years.... Actually, his sister has twins as well...maybe not super sperm after all.

by Anonymousreply 39305/06/2014

Ready made doubles teams. Well played Roger, well played.

by Anonymousreply 39405/06/2014

Lenny and Leo?

by Anonymousreply 39505/06/2014

hot damn! Federer even has champion sperm!

He really has great aim-2 sets of twins and 2 girls/boys. I don't find him sexy at all but his winning ways are appealing. He just seems to excel in everything, even baby making! Now the real test is to see how his kids turn out looking in 18 years. Hopefully they'll have Mirka's nose but not her chubbiness. She was never that fit when she played tennis either.

by Anonymousreply 39605/06/2014

Here's the ad that's been running in Italy for the Rome Open. Fed = art (with the Sistine Chapel's Creation of Man being used, no less!), Swilliams + Nadal (the only players not highlighted alone) = history, Djokovic = elegance (I sort of get it....), and Sharapova = great beauty. Whatever we might think, the screecher keeps being given pride of place.

On a side note: I've been watching bits of the Madrid open, and it's pretty amazing how quickly the stands empty whenever there's a WTA match on. Even when they're sandwiched in between two big-draw men's matches I've never seen more than about 20-30 people in the stands. There might have been about 50 for Swilliams–Bencic match and about the same number for Sharapova–McHale. Unlike for the men's matches, there aren't too many panning shots.

by Anonymousreply 39705/07/2014

Sharapova great beauty? These advertising people really are ridiculous. She's not even going to be the most attractive female in the Rome draw, never mind on the entire WTA tour. She's another example of "the powers that be" repeating something often enough in hopes the public falls for it. She's attractive yes, but hardly a stunning beauty.

by Anonymousreply 39805/07/2014

So Agassi said today that he thinks Nadal is the GOAT, not Fed. In the comments section over at ESPN, someone posted that Nadal is the best player, while Fed has the best career ever. I tend to agree with that.

Nadal's prime coincided with Fed, Nole, and Murray's prime. Fed's prime coincided with an aging Agassi, Roddick, Safin, and a young Nadal (who routinely trounced him). Not even close in terms of who faced the tougher competition. Advantage Nadal. Nadal has a gold medal, Fed doesn't. And add to that Nadal's overwhelming advantage H2H (even on hardcourts), it's hard to call Fed the GOAT, despite his unmatched career resume. I think if he wins two more Slams, it's really not even an argument.

Of course, I think Borg and Laver need to be in the conversation...

by Anonymousreply 39905/08/2014

Agassi wants Nadal's ass.

by Anonymousreply 40005/08/2014

Agassi's an idiot. His specious equation is: "Nadal is to Federer as I am to Sampras." He's wrong on both counts (and I'm not even a Sampras fan). There is no one GOAT, nor can there ever be. The group of GOATS, however, would necessarily contain Renshaw, the Dohertys, Tilden, Budge, Laver, Borg, McEnroe, Sampras, Federer, Nadal, and probably Emerson at a pinch.

If we're talking stupidity, though, then there's no doubt in my mind that Agassi is clearly the GOAT.

by Anonymousreply 40105/08/2014

I don't agree that Agassi is saying Nadal is the "Agassi" of the Fed/Nadal rivalry. Agassi is my favorite tennis player of all time, but Pete beat him in every possible category: total Slams, head to head, Grand Slam finals, total victories, weeks at number 1. Everything except the career Slam. And they played against the same competition.

This isn't the case with the Nadal/Fed. Fed has four more Slams and has won more tournaments, but Nadal has such an incredible head to head lead it's ridiculous. And he has the Golden Slam. And he had to do what he did against tougher competition. Competition, btw, that he has a wide margin of victory over in head to heads, which isn't the case for Fed. If Nadal was Fed's age? Yikes. Nadal would have four or five more Slams. Easy.

I legitimately think AA thinks Rafa is the GOAT. And I think there's a valid argument there.

by Anonymousreply 40205/08/2014

I don't think you can compare eras so easily. Hard courts and Wimbeldon have been slowed down. That favors Nadal who loves clay courts which are slow. There is less variety in court surfaces. The ATP tour only plays on hard and clay courts with a few grass courts. There used to be carpet and wood courts. I think Federer and Nadal are above other players in the Open era for consistency.

by Anonymousreply 40305/08/2014

I agree, R403. It is hard to compare eras. And there is a reason only Laver and Andre won all four prior to the slowing of the courts at Wimby. It used to be so damn hard to win on three very different courts. Not saying Fed and Rafa couldn't have done it, but still.

And though I have fun playing the "who's the greatest" game, I think it's better to compare players against their own peers. So it's Laver for the 60s, Borg for the 70s, Mac or Llendl for the 80s, Pete for the 90s, Fed for the 00s, and Nadal currently.

by Anonymousreply 40405/08/2014

and yet Nadal still can't win the Year-Ending Championship when he's forced to play all top players in a week indoors...

anyone hear about the bizarre story related to James Blake? He's been renting his mansion in Tampa to this family for a couple years when suddenly it blew up with fireworks? and both the parents and their 2 teens died...apparently they were shot too:

by Anonymousreply 40505/08/2014

R405, and Fed never won the Olympic gold in singles. That a much bigger hole in the resume the YEC, which, incidentally, is on indoor hard courts. That is far and away Nadal's worst surface. He's made the finals there twice. It's not really that big of a deal in terms of his legacy. Same for Fed and the lack of a gold. No one wins everything.

by Anonymousreply 40605/08/2014

[quote]No one wins everything.

I guess when people question Nadal's holes in resume then excuses apply. The fact is that Nadal had many more chances to win the Year-End Championship than Federer had chances to win the Olympic gold in singles. Every year vs every four year.

Nadal will be the GOAT when he wins 18 Grand Slam titles. Time will tell. It's possible he'll win the French Open a few more times, which would be incredible, but, at the same time, it would be a sign of his dominance on a single surface and not in overall game - is that a good thing for a GOAT?

by Anonymousreply 40705/08/2014

Fed can't be GOAT when he isn't even the greatest of his era. The head to head vs. Nada isn't remotely close.

by Anonymousreply 40805/08/2014

Oh, I see, so only Federer's head to head vs Nadal counts.

We'll see where Nadal's head to head vs Djokovic stands in about three to four years. If it favors Djokovic then Nadal cannot be considered GOAT, correct?

by Anonymousreply 40905/08/2014

Talk to me in three years.

by Anonymousreply 41005/08/2014

Exactly what I'm saying, R410. We'll see what happens...

by Anonymousreply 41105/08/2014

Too bad Almagro lost the other day-he has a new haircut and it looks really good on him! Also I never knew he had ass! He's kinda hot to me.

by Anonymousreply 41205/08/2014

R409, both Fed and Rafa have one big hole in the resume. Fed the Gold, Rafa the YEC. I think every single tennis player in the world would rather have an Olympic Gold than a YEC trophy. The fact it's every four years makes it even more coveted. But not having the YEC is definitely a hinderance to Nadal's legacy. I just don't think a big one. Same for Fed and the Gold.

I'm not disparaging Fed. I think he's amazing. But I think his four Slam lead over Nadal is misleading.

From 2003-2008 Fed won 13 of his 17 Grand Slams. Other than a very young Nadal, and an even younger Nole at the US Open, he played subpar talent (Nalbandian, Roddick, Hewitt, Baghdatis, Gonzales, or aging talent like Agassi I'll give him Safin as a decent competitor). And those were the top players in the game back then! Now? They'd be behind Berdych, Del Potro, Tsonga, Warwinka, even Ferrer.

Getting to the quarters, semis, and usually the finals was basically a walkover for him. I realize this isn't Fed's fault. You can't blame him that he happened to the best out of a mediocre bunch. But since Nadal, Nole, and Murray matured? He's won four Slams. Nadal during that time period, facing the same top tier players, has won 8. Nole 5. Murray 2. Not all Grand Slams titles are created equal. Otherwise, Margaret Court would be considered the best female tennis player. And Emerson would be considered better than Laver and Borg.

And yes, a head to head as glaringly one sided as the Nadal/Fed rivalry can't be overlooked. This isn't a team game. And the sample size isn't a few matches.

by Anonymousreply 41305/08/2014

R413, those arguments are tiresome. Nadal beat Federer exactly 2 times on hard/grass courts in a span of 4 years 2004-2007, one (2004 Miami) when Federer wanted to withdraw, because of his illness, and the other time in 2006 in Dubai when Fed had his ankle strapped (that injury caused him the Tennis Masters Cup final against Nalbandian). Even in 08/09 it took Nadal 5 tough sets to beat an aging (and struggling -- 08/09 was Fed's worst period) Federer.

Let's not forget that Federer is five years older than Nadal. Nadal's generational rival is Djokovic (certainly not Murray - is there a less consistent player on tour?; or Del Potro, who has been injured, on and off, for two years). Right now, it's hard to tell who will come out on top, though I would give Djokovic a slight edge, because he is a year younger than Nadal and has a lot more to prove.

It's shame that you need to put Federer down, and not only him, but a whole generation of tennis players, in order to build Nadal up. Shall we question Nadal's dominance on clay, because there are no great clay-court players to challenge him? Have his achievements on clay happened in a weak clay court era?

by Anonymousreply 41405/08/2014

R414, I stated that I'm amazed by Fed's game. He is poetry on the court. But his 4 Slam lead doesn't make up for the fact that Nadal has beaten him routinely throughout their respective careers. Simple fact is that Rafa and Fed career trajectories have what most sports fan dream of when they try and decide who's better: head to head competitions, that span a decade and have been played on all surfaces, without anything other than the outcome of the match to determine who the overall better player is. Objectively, who would you bet on? If you knew Rafa and Roger were playing tomorrow? Rafa.

And Fed was NOT aging or past his prime in 2008/09! He was 26/27. The same age as Nadal and Nole now. Thus, Fed's prime. And Rafa beat him at Wimby in 08 and the Aussie on 09, his two best surfaces. Fed had many chances to beat Rafa at the French. Never happened.

I also very clearly stated I don't blame Fed for the weak competition he faced from 2003-08. It wasn't his fault. But, yes, I am very loudly espousing that the post Pete/Agassi era and pre Rafa/Nole/Murray/Fed era was incredibly, almost embarrassingly, lacking. I think any tennis fan would whole heartedly agree. If Pete, Edberg, Wilander, Mac, Llendl, Becker, Connors, Andre, Rafa, Laver, Borg, or Nole had been in their primes then, they would have cleaned up like Roger did.

And just one more argument on why I think the Slam total shouldn't be the end all, be all for determining the GOAT. Fed gets to play 3 of the 4 Slams on his favorite surfaces. Rafa gets one. Imagine if the Aussie was on clay? Just something to think about.

I will say it again: I'm a Federer fan. But I'm a realist. Rafa is the better player.

by Anonymousreply 41505/09/2014

All that meth has affected Agassi's tiny little brain.

by Anonymousreply 41605/09/2014

Why pretend, R415? Your thinly veiled contempt for Federer shows in every one of your posts.

Player of the decade

2000 - 2009: Federer (15 slams)

1990 - 1999: Sampras (12 slams)

1980 - 1989: Lendl (7 slams)

1970 - 1979: Borg (8 slams)

1960 - 1969: Laver (11 slams, but 6 were amateur)

Most GS titles

1. Roger Federer 17

2. Pete Sampras 14

3. Rafael Nadal 13

4. Björn Borg 11

5. Jimmy Connors 8

= Ivan Lendl 8

= Andre Agassi 8

8. John McEnroe 7

= Mats Wilander 7

10. Stefan Edberg 6

= Boris Becker 6

= Novak Djokovic 6

GS finals

1. Roger Federer 24*

2. Ivan Lendl 19

= Rafael Nadal 19*

4. Pete Sampras 18

5. Björn Borg 16

6. Jimmy Connors 15

= Andre Agassi 15

8. Novak Djokovic 12*

9. John McEnroe 11

= Mats Wilander 11

= Stefan Edberg 11

Consecutive GS finals

1. Roger Federer 10*

2. Roger Federer 8

3. Rafael Nadal 5*

4. Andre Agassi 4

= Rod Laver 4

= Novak Djokovic 4*

7. Jimmy Connors 3

= Andy Murray 3*

= Björn Borg 3

= Björn Borg 3

= Björn Borg 3

= Ivan Lendl 3

= John McEnroe 3

= Ivan Lendl 3

= Ivan Lendl 3

= Mats Wilander 3

= Jim Courier 3

= Jim Courier 3

= Pete Sampras 3

= Rafael Nadal 3*

GS semi-finals

1. Roger Federer 34*

2. Jimmy Connors 31

3. Ivan Lendl 28

4. Andre Agassi 26

5. Pete Sampras 23

6. Rafael Nadal 22*

= Novak Djokovic 21*

7. John McEnroe 19

= Stefan Edberg 19

9. Boris Becker 18

10. Björn Borg 17

Consecutive GS semi-finals

1. Roger Federer 23*

2. Novak Djokovic 14

3. Ivan Lendl 10

4. Ivan Lendl 6

= Nadal 6

6. Novak Djokovic 5*

= Andy Murray 5*

= Boris Becker 5

9. Roger Federer 4*

= Rod Laver 4

= Tony Roche 4

= John McEnroe 4

= Andre Agassi 4

= Jim Courer 4

= Nadal 4*

GS quarter-finals

1. Roger Federer 41*

= Jimmy Connors 41

3. Agassi 36

4. Ivan Lendl 34

5. Pete Sampras 29

6. John McEnroe 26

= Stefan Edberg 26

7. Novak Djokovic 27*

8. Rafael Nadal 26*

9. Boris Becker 23

10. Björn Borg 21

Consecutive GS quarter-finals

1. Roger Federer 36*

2. Ivan Lendl 14

= 3. Novak Djokovic 19*

4. Rafael Nadal 11

5. = Andy Murray 11*

6. Pete Sampras 10

7. Ivan Lendl 7

= Mats Wilander 7

10. Andre Agassi 6

= Rafael Nadal 6*

All Four Slams Per Year

Rod Laver 1969

hree Slams Per Year

Jimmy Connors 1974

Mats Wilander 1988

Roger Federer 2004

Roger Federer 2006

Roger Federer 2007

Rafael Nadal 2010

Novak Djokovic 2011

All Four Finals Per Year

Roger Federer 2006

Roger Federer 2007

Roger Federer 2009

Rod Laver 1969

All Four Semi-finals Per Year

Rod Laver 1969

Ivan Lendl 1987

Roger Federer 2005

Roger Federer 2006

Roger Federer 2007

Roger Federer 2008

Roger Federer 2009

Rafael Nadal 2008

Novak Djokovic 2011

Novak Djokovic 2012

Novak Djokovic 2013

Andy Murray 2011

Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:

1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41

2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40(41 if not for walk-over in 2007)

= Roger Federer (US Open), 40

4. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31

= Rafael Nadal (French Open), 31

Most Grand Slam match wins

1. Roger Federer 264*

2. Jimmy Connors 233

3. Andre Agassi 224

4. Ivan Lendl 222

5. Pete Sampras 204

Year-End Championships

1. Roger Federer 6*

2. Ivan Lendl 5

= Pete Sampras 5

4. Ilie Nastase 3

= John McEnroe 3

= Boris Becker 3

= Novak Djokovic 3

Most Weeks at #1

1. Roger Federer 302*

2. Pete Sampras 286

3. Ivan Lendl 270

4. Jimmy Connors 268

5. John McEnroe 170

6. 7. Rafael Nadal 129+*

7. Björn Borg 109

8. Novak Djokovic 101

9. Andre Agassi 101

10. Lleyton Hewitt 80

Consecutive Weeks at #1

1. Roger Federer (1) 237

2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160

3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157

4. Pete Sampras (1) 102

5. Jimmy Connors (2) 84

6. Pete Sampras (2) 82

7. Ivan Lendl (2) 80

8. Lleyton Hewitt (1) 75

9. John McEnroe (1) 58

10. Rafael Nadal (1) 56

Year End #1

1. Sampras 6

2. Federer 5*

= Connors 5

4. McEnroe 4

= Lendl 4

6. Nadal 3*

by Anonymousreply 41705/09/2014

[quote]Nadal played only five hard court matches against prime Fed (from first meeting in 2004-2007). There Federer was leading with 3-2 (2 meetings on outdoor slow hard court, where they were matched 1-1). They had two meetings on grass, 2-0 for Federer. However they had 7 meetings on clay and there it was 6-1 for Nadal. Federer was leading Nadal in his prime on his preferred surfaces and Nadal wasn't getting far enough in many tournaments to meat Federer on hard court, partly because the hard courts were faster then. 19 of their 33 meeting were after Federer's prime and most of these on Nadal's preferred surfaces (just like during Federer's prime). H2H is just ridiculous with these stats. Imagine Sampras and Nadal playing in the same era and Pete playing Nadal only on fast hard court and grass. We would have similarly skewed results.

by Anonymousreply 41805/09/2014

[quote]Regardless of Roger Federer's recent struggles, tennis legend Rod Laver has said that he thinks the 17-time slam winner is the greatest player of his generation. Roger Federer hasn't been enjoying his usual level of world-beating success in 2013, with Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic, and to a lesser extent Andy Murray taking centre-stage. Even so, Rod Laver told reporters in Shanghai that he thinks the Swiss No. 1 is the greatest player to have emerged from his generation.

[quote]"When I look at Federer, with what he's accomplished, against the competition that he's accomplished it with, I'd have to say I would think that Roger is the greatest player,' said the Aussie. However, he didn't go as far as to call Federer the greatest of all time, as he feels that it's hard to compare between eras.

by Anonymousreply 41905/09/2014

Well going by stats Roger is the goat but he will have to live with the fact that he wasn't able to beat his biggest rival in majority of important matches. Isn't his last really huge victory against Rafa wimbledon 2007 where Rafa just turned 22 and was still considered a raw talent outside of clay?

Roger stans can't disregard Rafa's head to head with him or call it as not important (because is huge when put in context that we're talking about potential GOAT).

On the other hand Rafa stans can't disregard all Fed's accomplishments just because he was unsuccesful against his biggest rival.

IF Rafa wins more grandslams (and i really don't think it's gonna happen anymore, tho last year i thought it might) he'll be the goat. But as it is now i think it's quite hard to call because both sides have compelling arguments.

BUT if we're gonna have to call it i'd say it's Roger (but with asterisk). And i'm a Rafa fan all the way. Roger always seemed too cold and arrogant/bitchy to me.

by Anonymousreply 42005/09/2014

Too coincidental for another set of twins for Fed. Mirka must be doing IVF. Roggy's sperm may not be super at all.

by Anonymousreply 42105/09/2014

[quote]Simple fact is that Rafa and Fed career trajectories have what most sports fan dream of when they try and decide who's better: head to head competitions, that span a decade and have been played on all surfaces, without anything other than the outcome of the match to determine who the overall better player is. Objectively, who would you bet on? If you knew Rafa and Roger were playing tomorrow? Rafa.

In your definition Federer is a fluke (dominating in a very weak era). However, having a head to head advantage over him is somehow a proof that Nadal is the GOAT. How does beating such a fluke on your favorite surface (slow courts) make you a GOAT?

by Anonymousreply 42205/09/2014

Actually, Steffi Graf is the GOAT. Hands down.

by Anonymousreply 42305/09/2014

Serena has 17 Grand Slam titles. It would not surprise me if she caught up with Graff.

by Anonymousreply 42405/09/2014

R422 where did I say Fed was a fluke? You're letting your fandom get the better of you. Fed is a once in a generation player. But his otherworldly career stats are inflated due to the era he played in. It's odd that this is so hard for Fed uber fans to admit. The stats are still impressive as hell. Case in point: Fed's stats post 2008, when the competition went from the worst to, perhaps, the best in the history of the game, are incredible by any measure. Fed has the best career resume in the history of the game. By a mile. He is beyond a worthy candidate for the GOAT.

But Rafa's stats post 2008 stats are better. And his record against Fed (including hardcourts, btw, not just clay) is overwhelmingly better. Nadal's record against the top 50 players of his era is a winning record.

I don't get why this is so hard to understand. And most of this is my reaction to the notion that 17 Slams ALWAYS trumps 13 Slams. I simply believe that isn't a very accurate assessment, on its own, of tennis greatness. It certainly is very, very important, but there are other factors that need to be considered. For instance, I think Mac's 7 Slams are more impressive than Wilander's 7 or Agassi's 8. Why? He had to face prime Borg, Connors, and Llendl to get those. Wilander snuck in a bunch of those when Mac went away, Connors was aging, and Becker/Edberg were still green. Agassi had to face Pete, but won a bunch of them in the early 00s, when Pete had all but retired and before Fed came onto the scene. And I'm a HUGE Agassi fan, btw.

Again, I'll assert that not all Slam titles are created equal.

by Anonymousreply 42505/09/2014

Serena will not catch up to Steffi's slams. There are too many new and talented women who are hard hitting.

by Anonymousreply 42605/09/2014

Yeah, we get it, R425. Nadal is the GOAT. Federer is just lucky to have played bad players. Slam count doesn't matter. Bad match-up doesn't matter. Age difference doesn't matter. Winning predominantly on one surface does not matter. Never winning the ATP World Tour Finals doesn't matter. Etc, etc...

by Anonymousreply 42705/09/2014

Serena's injuries have been her undoing. She's clearly the best player but it's hard to stay at a consistently high level if you can't stay healthy. She played Charleston injured and lost and had to withdraw today in Madrid. Her RG might be in trouble too. Based on talent and ability alone, she could have easily surpassed Graf.

I just hope someone fucking stops Cuntapova. She is pure evil and so lucky. Of course Li had to choke today, just a few days after McHale also choked.

by Anonymousreply 42805/09/2014

R427, I can just see you with arms folded, stomping your feet, as you put your fingers in your ears and stick out your tongue. Nothing in your post even remotely restates what I've said. Never said Fed was lucky, never said Slams don't count, etc.

Instead of having a lively, fun debate on who is better among two of the greatest players of all time (and I think the two greatest players of all time), it comes down to tantrums and mock derision. Fine.

by Anonymousreply 42905/09/2014

Federer is definitely the tennis GOAT of all history at the moment. You can't deny R417's lists. But Nadal could still catch up and overtake him. RFed is declining and Nadal is younger. So we'll see.

by Anonymousreply 43005/09/2014

I appreciate how much preparation Sharapova put into her tennis to come back from her shoulder surgery and win another Slam. I just can't stand the whole, "I'm from Russia, let's beat the Americans" rhetoric she spews, especially around Davis Cup season.

She's lived in Florida since she was 7 years old. Enough with the anti-American sentiment. Be proud of your roots, but in doing so, don't disparage the country in which you've lived the majority of your life.

by Anonymousreply 43105/09/2014

You [Serena/Fed/Nadal/anti-Sharapova] fanatics are getting tiresome. You're all starting to sound like fundies.

by Anonymousreply 43205/10/2014

Watch out for Caroline Garcia. She has serious game and could very well start winning big titles/slams in the future. She won Bogota, all 3 fed cup matches and didn't lose this week in Madrid until Radwanska barely got by her.

by Anonymousreply 43305/10/2014


WTF has happened to Nadal during clay season?

Ain't NO FUCKING WAY he's gonna win the French this year.

And Murray ain't winning Wimby, either.

by Anonymousreply 43405/11/2014

Why, R434? What happened in Madrid? I thought that with Djokovic not participating he would easily go through.

by Anonymousreply 43505/11/2014

Nadal look good at Madrid until the final, when Nishikori was all over him and a set and a break up before his back injury flared up. Kei retired in the third set giving Nadal the win, but Nadal was not looking like a clay court champion in that match.

I feel sorry for Kei. He really deserved that win, he'll be feeling bitter I suspect.

I also think that Nadal knows exactly how he feels (Aus Open).

by Anonymousreply 43605/11/2014

"The Gays," O.P.? That's what the het's call us, not one our own. Just another homophobic means of keeping us at arm's length. Anywho, dearie, we're gay, not "the gays."

by Anonymousreply 43705/11/2014

I bet Nadal is sending David Ferrer a nice gift basket since he exhausted Kei during that three hour match on Saturday.

by Anonymousreply 43805/11/2014

Oh please, r437, this is part 7 of a thread that was started three million years ago, so it's probably useless asking OP to explain what he meant. But I'm pretty sure "The Gays" was intended in the lightest and most ironic of ways.

"The hets" (and not "the het's") also call us queer—and we've reclaimed that as well…

by Anonymousreply 43905/12/2014

I saw the Madrid final, and was very, very impressed with the way Nishikori played, right up to when his back gave in at around the 2-1 or 3–2 stage in the second set (even though I think he seemed to be in a bit of distress in the semi against Ferrer as well…). Nadal was forced onto the back foot in almost every single rally, including those that could be described as his favourites—where he gets to hit his forehand inside-out, or down his backhand line. And Nadal was truly worried—the looks he was giving his team were a mixture of frustration, desperation, and resignation.

It's a shame Nishikori didn't retire earlier than at 3–0 in the third. I really think he went on longer than anyone (including the Madrid crowd) expected him to, and he might have seriously compromised Rome, if not Roland Garros, by playing on.

Based on Nadal's performance in yesterday's final, I don't think he's the unquestionable favourite for Roland Garros any longer. There seems to have been some subtle shift since the AO that's rendered him a lot more psychologically fragile than he's ever been. It really does seem that the Fab 4 are no more...

by Anonymousreply 44005/12/2014

Michael Chang is Nishikori's coach. Is he passing him drugs?

by Anonymousreply 44105/12/2014

Dunno, r441, and I hope not. But even though I'm a staunch antidoper, I'd rather he was giving him PEDs than the born-again xtian claptrap he and Agassi were on about in their early days. Didn't they even have quick kneel-down let's-give-our-thanks-to-jeebus sessions in the locker room before hitting the court?

by Anonymousreply 44205/12/2014

I'm going with Mel Oudin to win the French in a huge upset.

by Anonymousreply 44305/12/2014

Watch out Nicolas Almagro on the men's side.

I agree with previous posters. I am a HUGE Nadal fan but I just don't think he's going to win the French Open this year.

by Anonymousreply 44405/12/2014

[quote]I'm going with Mel Oudin to win the French in a huge upset.

Men's draw or women's draw?

by Anonymousreply 44505/12/2014

r428 Serena might win more if she came out of her "Panic Room". Poor gal just has to flee there at the suggestion of a knock on her door. There again she would have to be dope tested if she did - just like the other players.

Maybe I'm missing something about her behaviour?

by Anonymousreply 44605/12/2014

Yaaaaaaas! Ivanovic beat the shit out of Cuntapova! ain't no fucking lucky comeback this time!

by Anonymousreply 44705/15/2014

bye Cuntapova! I hope she flops at RG this year too. She's had enough luck by winning Stuttgart and Madrid thanks to the chokes of her opponents.

by Anonymousreply 44805/15/2014

Nadal vs. Djokovic AGAIN! wow! Rome final.

by Anonymousreply 44905/17/2014

At the risk of reawakening the anti-Serb troll, here's hoping Djokovic trounces Nadal!!

by Anonymousreply 45005/17/2014

I think Nole will win. Rafa played great today, but I don't trust his confidence. Rafa can beat anyone in the world when he's "off" as long as that person isn't named Djokovic.

by Anonymousreply 45105/17/2014

R439, it seems to me that "het's" is a correct contraction of the word heterosexuals, don't you? After all, the apostrophe isn't always there to show ownership but to take the place(s) of absent letters, isn't it? (Example: "Bite me in the fo'c'sl, Ma'am.)

by Anonymousreply 45205/17/2014

r446, you're missing a brain.

She's 32. Federer has had a bad back and it screwed up a year. Nadal has had problems with his knees and he's a lot younger. Novak retired from Madrid with a bad wrist.

There's nothing unusual about her injuries in the last few years.

As for the drugs, top athletes all over the world have told plenty of horror stories about drug testers and how they've become. This is ONE story that you and people obsessed with Serena keep beating to death because that's the kind of nutjob you are.

by Anonymousreply 45305/17/2014

Except, r452, "het" has NO missing letters, as it's now a full-fledged word in its own right (see the Merriam-Webster, Chambers, McQuarrie, and Oxford dictionaries, which more or less cover current US, British, and Antipodean usage). If you want a pissing contest on the use of apostrophes, bring it, bitch… :-)

by Anonymousreply 45405/18/2014

R453 you appear to have an awful lot invested in that belief which you defend by name calling - grow up. If you want a serious discussion stop the childish nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 45505/18/2014

r446 / r453, I agree with r453, totally.

You anti-Serena trolls just can't let these stories go. One incident here or there.

This "panic room" shit is in your own troll head.

Azarenka has been out for months. What's wrong with her?

Sharapova had injuries that kept her off the tour and missing slams. What's wrong with her?

The point were made, but you're so invested in Serena bashing you can't see it.

Move on.

by Anonymousreply 45605/18/2014

The problem with you, R446, is that you accused HER of having mental issues, with no objective discussion, and now you're getting all sensitive that someone treated you the same way you treated her.

And you ASKED what you were missing. You got an answer.

That "panic room" story was "reported" by TMZ --over TWO years ago. Since then she has one five grand slams (4 singles, doubles) and a gold medal. So you really want to pretend like you're being objective now, bringing up this again?

by Anonymousreply 45705/18/2014

How ugly any discussion involving Swilliams becomes, and how quickly it devolves. I've often wondered why this has been the case over the past few years.

by Anonymousreply 45805/18/2014

Not sure this is much different than some of the other issues we've had when it comes to tennis players -- we've had the anti-Serb troll, ugly Fed-Nadal flame wars, Maria is cuntapova and so on.

But to go back 2 years to dredge up this alleged panic room incident is Exhibit A in why the people who love to take shots at Serena are shit stirrers.

She won Rome a few minutes ago. Good for her.

by Anonymousreply 45905/18/2014

r459, I just saw the match. Pretty gripping until just after Errani broke back to 3-4 (with serve) in the first, when she did her thigh in (or so it seemed—the jury's still out on what exactly went wrong…). The crowd were obviously partisan, but not excessively so, and were fairly respectful of Williams even when she fist-pumped and screamed "Come on!" even though it was obvious Errani couldn't move off her left leg quickly enough to get to anything evenly slightly wide of her fore- or backhand. A real shame, as the final was shaping up to be quite the battle.

And now for Djokovic–Nadal...

by Anonymousreply 46005/18/2014

So Djokovic downs Nadal 4-6 6-3 6-3 at the Foro Italico. It doesn't look as if Roland G will be going to Spain this year.

by Anonymousreply 46105/18/2014

It was a damn good match, R461. I'd give Nole the slight edge at RG, but I wouldn't count Nadal out.

by Anonymousreply 46205/18/2014

It was a really fascinating match, r462. Djokovic took ages to warm up, but when he did he really took it to Nadal. And that's the worrying thing for this year's Nadal model: even though he's pushing to the max, other high-calibre players can more than live with him (see Murray, at the same tournament, or Nishikori in the Madrid final up to the injury). His forehand is that fraction off its peak, so players aren't being destroyed by its depth or penetration or bounce, and his backhand is more of a liability than the sturdy prop to the forehand it's always been. Until this year, I would have said that the best-of-five format at the French suited Nadal more than any other player; now, I'm convinced it's going to be a real problem for him. While he used to use the best-of-five format to grind the better opponents into the dirt, I think they'll be doing that to him this year. Is he signed up for other clay tournaments before the French?

On a side note: did you notice that Xisca was in his box? When Nadal was fighting for his life in that third set, there were a couple of shots of the box. I've seen third cousins twice removed show more empathy and passion than she did… I really do wonder what that's all about...

by Anonymousreply 46305/18/2014

I agree with much of what you said, R463. Nadal has seemingly aged five years in the span of a few months. As a Nadal fan, I knew this was coming. His grind out style was bound to cut his career short. The only good thing is that he, better than just about any other tennis legend, has the ability to adapt his game, to switch gears, in terms of his strategy. That's why last year he was so dominant on hard court. He become more offensive, hit the ball earlier, took more chances.

I think his clay court dominance is over. He might win one more French. But I can see him being a top contender at the US and Aussie for the next few years.

by Anonymousreply 46405/18/2014

I think Nadal could be very effective on grass, too. His biggest problem at Wimbledon the last two years was that he was spent after winning everything on clay. His early exits at Monte Carlo and Barcelona may pay dividends on grass.

by Anonymousreply 46505/18/2014

Hmm, r464, I sort of see what you mean there, but I think *this* Nadal's going to be a lot more vulnerable on hard and grass than on clay. I really think last year's superlative hard-court series of wins was a fluke, and probably his last huge winning splurge. I'm sure he's going to go on other, more modest winning sprees, but not on hard, and not this year unless he can snap out of this rut.

by Anonymousreply 46605/18/2014

Sara Errani is a turd. The stunt with the alleged injury was meant to get the Italian crowd to forgive/pity her for what was coming no matter what: Serena annihilating her. The score would have been the same if Serena had the injury and Errani was 100%.

by Anonymousreply 46705/18/2014

Djokovic has won his last 4 meetings with Nadal moving him to 19 wins and 22 loses in their rivalry.

Daniel Nestor at 41 is still winning doubles tournaments. His first tournament win was 20 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 46805/18/2014

[quote] "Except, [R452], "het" has NO missing letters, as it's now a full-fledged word in its own right (see the Merriam-Webster, Chambers, McQuarrie, and Oxford dictionaries, which more or less cover current US, British, and Antipodean usage). If you want a pissing contest on the use of apostrophes, bring it, bitch… :-)"

R454, I'm afraid you'll have to piss yourself, because I don't need the drama over this, but thanks. I've checked and you are right. Thanks for the correction. "Het" it is, then...but I'm not your bitch. :-}

by Anonymousreply 46905/18/2014

this time piggy didn't get lucky! He did not deserve Madrid last week and this time his opponent didn't choke. Djokovic was BOSSING piggy around the court with his groundstrokes after the first set.

by Anonymousreply 47005/18/2014

Never count Nadal out, R461.

Nole dominated this season last year, with Nadal supposedly struggling to come back, and look who won -- Nadal "miraculously" came through.

Eight French Opens is enough and if he wins again under these conditions (or unless he gets an "energy boost") the men have a lot to answer for.

Wawrinka has fallen apart recently, and Ferrer's sign of hope that he can close out Nadal is back to where it was. Andy had a chance and could, in theory, pull one out. Father Fed is doubtful, and Berdych is hopeless.

Someone like Söderling was years ago needs to be on fire and spank him off the court. Or wear him out until Nole gets a hold of him, assuming Nole can get there.

Uncle Toni may yet find a way....

by Anonymousreply 47105/18/2014

At Nadal's age getting out of a rut will take longer. From now on the peaks will be shorter and the slumps will be longer. It's normal. Whether he will recover by the time Roland Garros starts is a big question.

If he loses to Djokovic in Paris, I don't expect him to repeat his hard court success from last year.

by Anonymousreply 47205/18/2014

Well, discounting any chemical assist, the story over the years has been the Nadal's "heart" (and I guess hugs from Uncle Toni) give him the courage to find that talent at the slams, which is what history counts.

Or maybe that's just what Nadal fights for.

Will anyone be surprised if he pulls out of Wimbledon again (or tanks it) from "exhaustion"? Or crashes at the U.S. Open?

I think he's been exciting and then even charming over the years, but these "miracles" at the Slams when he's clearly not playing well right up to it bugs the crap out of me.

by Anonymousreply 47305/18/2014

I think 13 Slams means that his wins aren't exactly "miraculous".

by Anonymousreply 47405/18/2014

[quote]Nole dominated this season last year, with Nadal supposedly struggling to come back

Novak only won Monte Carlo last year. Rafa won Barcelona, Madrid and Rome.

by Anonymousreply 47505/18/2014

I'm sure Luckdal will get an amazing draw at RG, or the hard people in his draw will have shock losses so he can coast to the final and win again.

I want to see others tear his plump juicy ass up like Djokovic did in the last 2 sets today!

by Anonymousreply 47605/18/2014

That's not what people are saying, R474. Go back to the start of this thread, read carefully and try not to overreact.

No one doubts that Nadal is a huge talent or that he didn't win most if not all of his slams on that talent.

It was commentators last year who called his comeback miraculous (not suspicious).

The question has been, since last two or three years year in particular, it looked like he was a shadow of his former self, hobbling, weak, exhausted and beatable in 3 sets with less rounds, then suddenly over 7 rounds in 5 set matches he's on fire with no sign of injury.

Last year he even made two of those comebacks, supposedly injured at Wimbledon then roars back to win the US Open.

Maybe it's a new strategy saving energy for the Slams and making people think he's vulnerable so these wins will read as incredible under the conditions in history. Or maybe something else is going on.

by Anonymousreply 47705/18/2014

The other men look pathetic if Nadal can play like crap and still win the big events. Wawrinka is such a hot and cold player. If he gets into form he could knock out Nadal at RG but he's been shit at both Madrid and Rome.

by Anonymousreply 47805/18/2014

Over on the Mens Tennis Forums on "The Gay Male Player Speculatron" thread (which has been going since 2004), someone just published the equivalent of a BI:

[quote]I just learned about a gay former world number 1 from an ex-lover. This one slam wonder is very deep in the closet

The only former number 1s who are also one-slammers, unless I'm mistaken, are Muster, Moya, Ferrero, and Roddick. And the problem with this list is that I have my suspicions about all four :-)

by Anonymousreply 47905/18/2014

R477, last summer he got hot. Fed, Agassi, Nole, Mac, all the greats have had astounding runs like that. And Nadal was very open about his 2013 Wimby loss having nothing to do with injury. It was just a bad day.

He's been injured. It happens. Then he comes back and finds his form. I don't think that's miraculous. Or a risky as fuck head game. Or juicing (which of course is what you're implying). It's sports.

by Anonymousreply 48005/19/2014

R479, I don't post on the MTF, but if the guy who is posting it is named Olivier and if he is red-headed, I might be the one who tipped him. And my tip was that, once, about 20 years ago, I went to the charity exhibition against cystic fibrosis that was taking place the Sunday before the tournament was starting and got a seat in a VIP section (I knew the daughter of the organizer for this charity).

Anyways, in the next VIP section, an arm-length away from me were three (obviously gay) Austrian guys and Thomas Muster knew them, was talking with them and then I saw the LOOK he gave to one of the guy (an absolute sex bomb BTW, very male, gorgeous - as in top model-gorgeous, tall, muscular, striking blue eyes). You know the look you only give to the object of your affection.

The first time, it came out of nowhere for me; I was flabbergasted: I did not expect this at all, since I never would have imagined that Thomas could be gay. The look he gave to this guy, over and over, was way more than just friendly. And the two other guys were reacting accordingly, give him knowing nudges and smiles when Thomas would give him the LOOK.

Anyways, so admittedly nothing more than gut instinct, but I know how to put two and two together.

20 years later I still haven't forgotten how hhhhhhhhhot this guy was. I even followed him to the bathroom when he went there. Unfortunately I did not dare going to the urinal next to his: I never would have been able to pee anyway...

by Anonymousreply 48105/20/2014

"The tournament" was the French Open. Sorry, I got carried away remembering this hotness. And I was so jumpy when I came back from the bathroom, that my host asked me if something had happened...

by Anonymousreply 48205/20/2014

wouldn't surprise me if Muster was.

anyone see this pic lmao:

by Anonymousreply 48305/20/2014

R481, yes, the guy on the MTB is Olivier, and what you said about Muster reminds me of the rumours about Muster's relationship with his coach (Ronnie Leitgeb) and the Italian player Andrea Gaudenzi. Gaudenzi still does a bit of TV commentating in Italy, has gayvoice for days, and, for the benefit of his sponsorship deals, actually felt obliged to declare to the Italian press at some point in the (mid?) '90s that he wasn't gay. No girlfriend, wife, or children have ever ensued, which sort of lends credence to the rumours regarding Gaudenzi, at least. Muster, on the other hand, has since been married twice and had two kids. Still, if we've learned anything from Jorg Haider, it's that Austrian men can give vent to their machismo, have wives and kids, and still have boys on the side :-)

by Anonymousreply 48405/20/2014

r481, as I read the tip, it was that he got it from the player's ex-lover, not a spectator.

Maybe I misread it?

by Anonymousreply 48505/20/2014

Say what you want about Nadal, but look at the ass. Yum.

by Anonymousreply 48605/21/2014

This isn't a gays topic, and I'm no Wozniacki fan, but Rory McIlroy sounds like such a jerk. They send out wedding invitations and he decides he's not ready for commitment.

Surely this asshole proposed. WTF?

by Anonymousreply 48705/21/2014

[quote]The game's eroticism may help explain why tennis has attracted so many outsiders and misfits. While Wilson doesn't quite claim tennis as a "gay" sport, she certainly emphasises this side of its history. That tennis and homosexuality have frequently gone together is hardly a new discovery. There was nothing in the closet about Billie Jean King or Martina Navratilova. But what Wilson does is cut through the innuendo to present a story rich in nuance and sympathy. She shows how common it was for earlier generations of women players to be confused about their sexuality, and how the dynamics of life on tour often led them to form close relationships with other women. She also movingly traces the secret gay lives of two of the game's biggest pre-war male pinups, "Big" Bill Tilden and Baron Gottfried von Cramm.

Has anyone read this book yet? Sounds very interesting...

by Anonymousreply 48805/25/2014

So RG is here!

Big name first round flops: Wawrinka, Wozniacki, Li, Haas and Nishikori.

Let's see which seeds fuck up in the round of 64.

by Anonymousreply 48905/28/2014

and of course the ruckus over the tournament officials putting defending men's champion and most successful RG player of all time Nadal on Court Suzanne Lenglenf instead of Court Philippe Chatrier for his first round match.

The French just hate him apparently.

by Anonymousreply 49005/28/2014

The French want to see someone else win RG.

So do I, and I'm a Nadal fan (and a fervent fan of his ass).

Sad that cute Grigor crashed out.

I hope Nole wins this year.

by Anonymousreply 49105/28/2014

"There was nothing in the closet about Billie Jean King" - well, not until her secretary dragged her out of it publicly. Poor Billie lost everything and had to keep playing on to make money well into her late 30s.

As for Muster, remember when he was linked to Fergie for about 5 minutes?

by Anonymousreply 49205/28/2014

Wow, Swilliams defeated 6-2 6-2 by Muguruza (say, who?) in round 2 of the French Open. I know she said she was (inexplicably) nervous against Lim in R1, but this is ridiculous. I think she'll eventually get her 18th GS, but I suspect Graf and Court won't be losing any sleep now.

by Anonymousreply 49305/28/2014

Graf and Court both have padded resumes. Neither has anything to be smug about.

by Anonymousreply 49405/28/2014

Oh I agree with you re the padding, r494, but I bet both of them, and especially Court, are very happy that Williams is still stuck at 17.

by Anonymousreply 49505/28/2014

Andy Murray needed a thigh massage in the 5th set against Kohlschreiber.

He has the best ass-legs combination in tennis. And I'm the dame who can prove it.

by Anonymousreply 49605/31/2014

Come on Sam.... Wipe that look off Maria's face and kick her ass off the court...

by Anonymousreply 49706/01/2014

Well that didn't go well.... And I hate that Shriekapova gets to shriek as the ball crosses the net. Ugly.

by Anonymousreply 49806/01/2014

Djoker jetted off to Brazil after his French Open defeat. You could cut the sexual tension between him and the other guy in these photos with a knife.

by Anonymousreply 49906/09/2014

Amelie Mauresmo has joined Andy Murray's team in preparing for Wimbledon. Claps to Amelie for breaking boundaries in coaching. Very few tennis players have female coaches especially men.

by Anonymousreply 50006/10/2014

Cool for Amelie.

by Anonymousreply 50106/10/2014

I'm loving Murray and his choice of our second-favourite tennis dyke. It could only have been better if he'd opted for Martina N.

by Anonymousreply 50206/10/2014

Djoker is such a head case. His game would improve like 300% if he came out of the closet.

by Anonymousreply 50306/10/2014

R499 Ibiza's not in Brazil, it's just off the Spanish coast

by Anonymousreply 50406/10/2014

And those pics....not one woman!!! Boys will be boys. Meanwhile, the pregnant girlfriend is at home....

by Anonymousreply 50506/10/2014

Gag, another Nadal victory. I give him all due credit. He's the best EVER on clay and he'll probably catch or surpass Federer's 17 Slam count, but I can't stand Nadal. I hope someone comes along who can beat him. Djokovic can but he seems to mentally fade out in Slam finals regardless of who he's playing. He's actually been the best player the last three years but he can't put it together when it counts. Nadal can, and that's why he's No. 1.

by Anonymousreply 50606/10/2014

Picture of Nole with all his friends in Ibiza. Is the doll a replica of his girlfriend?

by Anonymousreply 50706/10/2014

lmao @ the suspended (and hot) Viktor Troicki accompanying Djokovic. Surely all the gays in this thread know of him.

I hope no one here supports Gulbis. He's a sexist misogynistic pig. In the last week he said he didn't want his sister to become a pro player because women like to get married and have children, then he made fun of Murray's decision to hire Mauresmo by saying he couldn't decide between Sharapova and Ivanovic. Remember this is the guy who is alleged to have hired prostitutes a few years ago in Stockholm and got in trouble for it too. Fucking rich spoiled entitled brat pig.

by Anonymousreply 50806/11/2014

Gulbis' comment is even worse. He didn't say women like to have kids. He said he didn't want his sisters to do it because a woman "Needs to think about family, needs to think about kids", as if it's his place to tell them or that they can't help themselves from this need.

The asshole also blew all his French open winnings at the casino and doesn't seem at all bothered.

Spoiled shithead. May he go away soon.

by Anonymousreply 50906/11/2014

Yes... why not worship a straight douche from the homophobic nation of Serbia where they bash gay men, and where they can't even hold a single gay pride parade.

Hate on Rafa instead, who is not only gay friendly himself, but who comes from THE most gay friendly country in THE WORLD, where they've had gay marriage for nearly ten years already.

You're all making so much sense! LMAO.

by Anonymousreply 51006/11/2014

Haha, R499, Nole's message board on the MTF calls him his "boyfriend" and has a whole thread about him:

by Anonymousreply 51106/11/2014

This is the real Serbia. 60 % of the population disapproves of homosexuality and 1/3 condone violence to disrupt gay events.

by Anonymousreply 51206/11/2014

Is there any rational reason why anyone "can't stand" Nadal?

The one thing I find annoying about his is all how his camp plays up his injuries to the point it seems like he's fucking with people's heads when he turns it on at the Slams. But as tiresome as it might be that he keeps winning the French, seeing how everyone else basically self-destructed, he comes off as the most admirable of them all.

He never has anything mean to say. He's never flinched when gay fans have approached him or made any comment to distance himself from it.

What is there to hate?

by Anonymousreply 51306/11/2014

Jesus, the anti-Serb troll has got to be the biggest loser on DL. And that's saying something.

The link you provided at R510 how much the US is behind. So it's Americans we should hate, I guess.


by Anonymousreply 51406/11/2014

Is Nole's friend this guy, the Canadian raw foodist?

by Anonymousreply 51506/12/2014

Is it true that Murray's surgery last year was for his sciatica? If so, it's incredible that he can play tennis on this level.

by Anonymousreply 51606/12/2014

Nadal lost in 59 minutes in Halle today to some player from Jamaica.

At this point, I don't know that he can win anything aside from Roland Garros in terms of grand slams.

by Anonymousreply 51706/12/2014

[quote At this point, I don't know that he can win anything aside from Roland Garros in terms of grand slams.]

FYI, he won the last US OPEN and he was a finalist at AUS OPEN....not too shabby.

Today, he cashed a check.

by Anonymousreply 51806/12/2014

[quote]FYI, he won the last US OPEN and he was a finalist at AUS OPEN....not too shabby. Today, he cashed a check.

Yes, losing your opening match to Dustin Brown is a really good display of non-shabbiness. Even classier is defining it as "cashing a check". No two ways about it—today's defeat was actually a victory.

You Nadal fanatics are funny.

by Anonymousreply 51906/12/2014

Nole will start to win when he starts to take responsibility for his errors. I realize that will be difficult for his fanatics to swallow, but it's the truth. he needs to stop looking up accusingly at his 'team' in the stands when things get bad for him. His look is basically saying 'but you told me I would win this one, you told me I was better than him, you told me it was my time!" Yeah sure, but you just went to pieces and it's up to you to turn this around, it's not our fault. Rafa is angry at himself when he makes errors, Nole is angry at everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 52006/12/2014

So Nole's whole food thing is basically his affair with this guy, who is a raw food chef?

by Anonymousreply 52106/12/2014

I don't think Djokovic's friend in the photos is that raw food chef that a poster linked to. Still, the pics of Djokovic and the friend are quite homoerotic, especially the one where his friend is adoringly gazing at him as he showers (with his swimming trunks on).

Who are other male players that you find attractive other than the top guys? I have a weird thing for German Philipp Kohlschreiber (in pic). He sort of pings for me, but it may just be wishful thinking.

by Anonymousreply 52206/12/2014

so glad the beautiful and very flashy, talented DUSTIN BROWN whooped Luckdal's stank big booty ass yesterday! yaaaas! It was lovely seeing Nadal out of sorts and unable to answer the penetrating shots he was dealt.


by Anonymousreply 52306/13/2014

Nole's friend is called Mark Stillitano apparently and is a former player.

by Anonymousreply 52406/13/2014

R524 he never got off the challenger tour but his family is rich. I think he lives in Monaco and was possibly born there. He also briefly dated the stunning Ivanovic.

by Anonymousreply 52506/13/2014

I knew about Ana but not that he only got as far as challengers, thanks R525.

by Anonymousreply 52606/13/2014

Dustin Brown is hot. Love the way he plays too, very fun to watch.

by Anonymousreply 52706/13/2014

I'm not a Nadal fan at all, but c'mon r519. The guy won the most grueling grand slam and then lost a match on a different surface against an inspired opponent only a few days later.

It doesn't mean anything in the long run.

by Anonymousreply 52806/13/2014

R522, Jurgen Melzer ( I know he's kind of weird looking but whatever I like him), Dustin Brown, Pablo Andujar, Rui Machado, Santiago Giraldo, and Felciano Lopez's ass.

I've always found Marat Safin's looks to be overrated. Why am I saying this? I don't know.

by Anonymousreply 52906/13/2014

[R529), Melzer is one of the those people who is way, way better looking in person than he appears on TV. I'd always thought he was bland and dull until I met him. He has an excellent sense of humor and is quite handsome in person. [R522], i think that's the first attractive picture of Kohlschreiber i've seen.

by Anonymousreply 53006/13/2014

Federer looks like he'll win both singles and doubles at the Gerry Weber Open tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 53106/14/2014

I think he's hot even in pictures, R530 ( even though I know other people don't). It's just something about hum. I bet he's very handsome in person and it's great to hear that he has a good personality. I've seen other players but unfortunately I haven't seen Melzer yet, but hopefully soon.

by Anonymousreply 53206/14/2014

Dimitrov has only just won Queens, with his "girlfriend" Sharapova in the stands. What does he do? He runs off and gives his coach Rasheed a hug, then goes back and sits down on his change-over bench. Then he realises he's forgotten something, so he gets up and runs towards the stands near the base line. Is he going to climb the stands and give his "girlfriend" a kiss? No. He's gone off to pick up his racquet, which he gives to a very happy lady in a wheelchair. The telly, in the mean time, closes in on Sharapova, who's mumbling something under her breath to her handler (?) while she looks out anxiously to grab his attention. Then he gets up again, this time to give a former tournament director (who'd given him one of his first wildcards into the tournament) another of his racquets.

Dimitrov finally gets to strut his heterosexualist stuff about 20 minutes later when he's interviewed court-side by Sue Barker for the awards ceremony, where he says something about Sharapova having just won a very important tournament before adding that "This victory is all the more enjoyable thanks to the cutie ballgirls this tournament has."

He might be cute, but he's also a douche. And I can't wait for Sharapova and Dimitrov to both get outed.

by Anonymousreply 53306/15/2014

Pablo Andujar is one very handsome man. I have also loved Melzer for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 53406/17/2014

Wimbledon Predictions:

-Federer out by the Quarterfinals. I think his best days are behind him, and although Wimbledon is still his best shot at a slam, his struggle in Halle in the final doesn't bode well.

-Nadal will make it at least to the semis. He could even win it again. I don't think his early loss at Halle means much. He almost always bows out early in Wimbledon tune-up tournaments. He could even win it all.

-Young guns will make more noise. The French saw some new players on the men's and women's side fight the verterans. I think that will continue to happen. I'd like to see Eugenie Bouchard learn from her French meltdown. She was beating Sharapova but let the occasion get to her. Chris Evert did that in 1973 at the French but it took her a whole year before she won a Slam. Can Bouchard do it faster? I don't think with Bouchard it's a matter of if, it's a matter of when. I see Raonic making noise here, too. We could even have a young gun win it all!

Tough calls: Djokovic and Murray. Djokovic's effort in the French final was lackluster, although it appears he had a stomach virus. I've had one before and it zaps all your energy. Murray did way better at the French than I thought he would, but rolled over against Nadal. Hard to tell what these two will do at Wimbledon, but it's a chance for both to turn the tide of fading in the majors when it counts.

by Anonymousreply 53506/19/2014

R535, But what about MEEEEEEE?

by Anonymousreply 53606/19/2014

ITA about Andujar, R534. Muy caliente.

My prediction for Wimbledon is that Andy's hole will still taste like butterscotch.

by Anonymousreply 53706/19/2014

Murray has no chance to make even the 16's - expect him to crash out in the 3rd round. His practices and training have been half hearted at best.

Serena is getting old and the young guns are not afraid of her. I think she'll lose in the quarters.

Missing Laura Robson and Jamie Hampton.

by Anonymousreply 53806/19/2014

Bouchard is quite overrated. She is a good solid player with decent power and decent movement but her best attribute is her attitude on court. Her forehand technique in particular is quite suspect and prone to breaking down if someone good enough can keep blasting it.

She and her coach have figured out a way to play that really works for her, but no way in hell is she the best, most talented, or most athletic of the younger girls. The others just haven't been able to compose themselves as well as Bouchard yet.

Sharapova was never the most talented and certainly never the most athletic player of her generation either, but her mental composure on court combined with a lot of luck has carried her far.

by Anonymousreply 53906/19/2014

How embarrassing for Sharapova, R533. The problem is that everybody was calling Dimitrov "baby Fed" for so long he now has a huge head.

by Anonymousreply 54006/19/2014

No r539, you are right. The best younger player is without a doubt Mugaruza.

by Anonymousreply 54106/19/2014

I'm sort of surprised no one's mentioning Halep at all. She seems to gave come out of nowhere, and looks like she's becoming a real contender for the slams. But, am I the only one that thinks there's something odd and off-putting about her? I can't quite put my finger on it, but she seems shifty and not quite above board. Is it the eyes?

I know, I know, MARY!!!


by Anonymousreply 54206/19/2014

This guy somewhat looks like Nadal from behind. NSFW.

by Anonymousreply 54306/20/2014

Halep has been getting quite a lot of good press for her game the past few years. She hardly came out of nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 54406/20/2014

Wimbledon draws out! Some interesting sections.

by Anonymousreply 54506/21/2014

If the top 9 men play at a high level I expect them to at least reach the fourth round. Richard Gasquet has a terrible draw. He could face Kyrgios, who is a rising young player, in the second round. He then could face Monfils in the third round and Nadal in the fourth.

by Anonymousreply 54606/21/2014

Nadal might have trouble with Klizan who suddenly is playing well on grass. In round 2 he could have a rematch against the sexy Rosol too.

Giorgi's dad is such a creep! That said, I hope she knocks out Luckpova in round 3.

by Anonymousreply 54706/21/2014

You're right, r546, Halep has been getting good press since she joined the big girls in 2010, but what I meant was that she is now a real contender for the GSs. Up until the last 3 GSs (R16 at the 2013 USO, quarters at the 2014 AO, and finals at the 2014 FO), though, she'd managed five first-round exits (at the 2012 AO, FO, and W; at the 2013 AO and FO) and two second-round exits (at the 2012 USO and 2013 W). She's finally got her game in order...

by Anonymousreply 54806/21/2014

R505, the person with the odd-looking breasts on the right side of the 5th photo down, with the caption "Helping hand: Djokovic helps his pal out of the water as fellow player Viktor Troicki looks on (left)" is definitely a woman.

R542/r548, I think Halep's great, and a wonderful new najor player to have on the scene. You do realise that most players who make it to the top ranks have the kind of progress she has? There's nothing strange about it at all. She's also a former French Open Juniors champion.

by Anonymousreply 54906/21/2014

Point taken, r549, re Halep.

I should stop reading tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot. :-)

by Anonymousreply 55006/21/2014

R550, I seriously doubt Halep is on steroids and her game is not "power" based. It's a beautiful game of skill, intelligence and passion with the necessary athleticism. Besides, she's hardly butch.

Eek, at r549 I meant the person on the left side of the photo...

by Anonymousreply 55106/21/2014

Maybe this has something to do with Halep's improvement? TBH, in recent photos, she seems smaller than a 34C.

by Anonymousreply 55206/21/2014

Halep did have a breast reduction a few years ago, yes.

Here, gurls. Check out the Wimbledon party fashion of: Serena, Venus, Sharapova, Azarenka, Li, Ivanovic, the Radwanska sisters, Stephens, Bouchard, Lisicki, Bouchard, Hantuchova, Pavlyuchenkova and Cirstea. Half of the video is commercials so just skip to the interviews. No clue who the interviewer lady is. Plenty of hits and misses lol I don't know if the ATP had one or not.

by Anonymousreply 55306/22/2014

day 1 upsets: Stephens, Stosur, Muguruza and Verdasco. Stephens and Muguruza are very talented and just need to assert themselves on court more. Stosur sucks on grass and Verdasco has been too busy taking selfies with Bouchard-fucking pig. He always goes for the new young girls. He did a few years ago with Wozniacki and before that, Ivanovic.

by Anonymousreply 55406/23/2014

We need an Official 2014 Wimbledon thread, queens.

by Anonymousreply 55506/24/2014

There is already one [R555]

by Anonymousreply 55606/24/2014

r555, see link, below, for your Wimbly '14 thread on the DataLounge.

You're welcome.

by Anonymousreply 55706/24/2014

Jan Michael "I have a girlfriend" Gambill is doing commentary on Wimbledon radio for anyone interested.

His partner in the commentary box introduced him by saying that Gambill has the deepest tan that has ever been seen in the box.

by Anonymousreply 55806/24/2014

Wow, Fabio Fognini naked in Cosmopolitan...

by Anonymousreply 55907/05/2014


by Anonymousreply 56007/05/2014

Jmg does not claim to have a gf.

by Anonymousreply 56107/05/2014

He did when he was on tour, R561.

Jan-Michael Gambill at 3:46pm ET I have a girlfriend. It's not Monica Seles, but Monica is a very good friend of mine. She's one of the sweetest people on the tour and we have a lot in common and get along well. I hope to play some more mixed doubles, but we aren't dating.

And he hasn't come out since.

by Anonymousreply 56207/05/2014

Although this must be his boyfriend. His instagram goes way back with this guy, and now the guy is with JMG in London.

He should just come out already.

by Anonymousreply 56307/05/2014

U.S. tennis player Victoria Duval diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma cancer

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Friday, July 4, 2014, 8:06 PM

LONDON (AP) — Victoria Duval, an 18-year-old American tennis player, has been diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma but expects to make a full recovery within months after undergoing treatment for the cancer.

Duval, who lost in the second round at Wimbledon last week, was diagnosed after a biopsy was taken in England before Wimbledon and further tests in the United States confirmed the results, her management team said Friday.

“It is with a heavy heart that I will have to step away from tennis competition for a short period after being diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma,” Duval said in the statement.

The statement said Hodgkin’s, the most common form of cancer in adolescents, “was caught in a very early stage.”

“(She) will undergo treatment right away and due to her overall good health and isolation of the cancer, the prognosis is a full recovery in a few months,” the statement said.

Treatment for Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a cancer of the white blood cells, has a high rate of success among young people.

It’s the latest challenge for Duval and her family: as a child, she was kidnapped in her parents’ home country of Haiti. And her father was trapped for days in the rubble of his house there after a devastating 2010 earthquake.

Duval reached the second round of the U.S. Open last year, beating 2011 champion Sam Stosur in the first round. As a qualifier in the main draw last week at Wimbledon, she lost in the second round to Belinda Bencic of Switzerland.

Duval said she received the news after the first round of qualifying at Wimbledon, but decided to continue playing. She beat 29th-seeded Sorana Cirstea of Romania 6-4, 3-6, 6-1 in the first round.

“Being on court provided me with much comfort,” she said. “I have complete faith that God will assist me and my family with all that we need, to achieve victory and become stronger from this journey. I picture myself healthy, stronger and competing again soon.”

Billie Jean King said in a tweet that Duval “is a fighter and she will approach this new challenge with a plan and a conviction to win. Thoughts go out to her & family.”

The Philadelphia Freedoms confirmed Duval would miss the World Team Tennis season beginning in July. Players plan to support Duval by wearing a special patch with her initials.

Based in Bradenton, Florida, Duval was born in in the U.S. but grew up Haiti. She has said that when she was 7, she and some cousins were taken hostage there by robbers.

“It’s not a good memory, so I’ve tried to forget as much as I could about it,” Duval said at last year’s U.S. Open when the subject was raised after her win over Stosur. “I don’t remember too much of it anymore, which is great.”

In 2010, when Haiti was rocked by an earthquake, her father was badly injured in the rubble.

“There’s a lot to be thankful for. I don’t take anything for granted. ... My Dad is really fortunate to be here,” she told the U.S. Open crowd last year during an on-court interview.

Other tennis players have had recent successful returns from Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

At this year’s Australian Open, British player Ross Hutchins returned to the tour after almost a year-long layoff and several months of chemotherapy. Alisa Kleybanova of Russia came back at the 2013 U.S. Open after missing nearly two seasons because of the illness.

Hutchins, a doubles player, and Kleybanova, in singles and doubles, both played at Wimbledon this year.

by Anonymousreply 56407/06/2014

Grigor and Maria on holiday - featuring Girgor in speedos.

Oh yes, and don't they look so much in love etc...

by Anonymousreply 56507/10/2014

Thanks for that, r565.

My only question now is why doesn't Grigor have an ass?

by Anonymousreply 56607/10/2014

R564 read about that. such sad news. She was on her way up the rankings too.

Neither Sharapova nor Dimitrova has much of a body. They're both very tall, thin and lanky. Quite unappealing in bathing suits. Roger Rasheed has his fitness plan work cut out for him. He needs to bulk that boi up.

by Anonymousreply 56707/10/2014

Whom is Chris Evert, the world's worst and sluttiest commentator, fucking these days? I think she would marry Jimbo Connors in a heartbeat if he left his wife and proposed to Chris.

by Anonymousreply 56807/10/2014

Do the paps really follow Maria around that much? Those photos reek of PR placement.

by Anonymousreply 56907/10/2014

Jim Courier come out yet?

by Anonymousreply 57007/10/2014

Hate her or lover her, Masha is fucking WERKING that bikini.

Poor, cute Grigor needs to spend some time at the Lopez-Nadal Ass Enhancement Academy. His ass is La Nada.

by Anonymousreply 57107/11/2014

R565, I don't know, what's "so much in love" meant to look like? Constantly canoodling and kissing would look more like fake love to me. Just hanging out, reading your magazine, chilling and not really doing much are what people in relationships actually do with each other.

R569, sure the Mexican paparazzi would rush to snap pics if they heard Sharapova and Dimitrov were hanging out nearly naked by a pool. These photos were taken by a Mexican pap (see the copyright thing in the bottom right corner), who's probably made quite a bit of money from an afternoon's work, considering his pics have been reproduced in the Daily Mail and elsewhere around the globe.

If this was a PR job, then surely they would be kissing and canoodling to show how in love they are?

by Anonymousreply 57207/11/2014

Agree with R572. If they were kissing and hugging, people here would complain about it being not real.

by Anonymousreply 57307/11/2014

R571 not with that shapeless body she's not. Her only curves are those linebacker shoulders. No boobs or butt and her abs/arms aren't that toned.

by Anonymousreply 57407/11/2014

Has anybody else noticed how adorable Wimbledon doubles champion Jack Sock is? He's now the 2nd ranked American and oh, how I'd like to rim him in honor of his recent triumphs.

by Anonymousreply 57507/30/2014

Sock reminds me of Roddick. Big serve, big forehand, but backhand and return of serve need work. And he wastes too much time arguing with umps over calls where he feels wronged.

Nadal wrist injury will keep him out of his title defenses at Canadian Open and Cincy.

by Anonymousreply 57607/30/2014

r576, if the past is anything to go by, then Nadal should be back just in time for the US Open, and from then on he'll be winning everything in sight until after Wimbledon '15.

I've never seen anyone come back from longish injury layoffs as strong and invincible as Nadal.

BTW, on a completely different and unrelated note ( :-/ ), amazing that our favourite homophobe Troicki made the quarters (?) at Gstaad, after a whole year off serving a ban for refusing a drugs test. Also good to know that you can be given a whole year's suspension for an egregious drugs infraction, but there'll still be tournies like Gstaad that will give you a wild card. Way to go, ATP!!

by Anonymousreply 57707/30/2014

I miss Rafa's ass.

by Anonymousreply 57807/31/2014

Sorry but this is Rafa's pattern, he knows the likeliehood of being no. 1 at year end is remote so he's gonna bag the rest of the year and avoid doping, etc.

Princess Prissy Pants Fed will be loving this, as he'll be the 2 seed at the Open.

by Anonymousreply 57907/31/2014

It's unfortunate that Nadal injured himself as I wanted to see him lose in both Canada and Cincy. Besides his lucky RG and Madrid title wins (over sick Djokovic and mid-match-injured Nishikori), Nadal has been getting his ass kicked for most of the season.

Anyway, we have a new, promising girl on the rise. Her name is Naomi Osaka, half African American and half Japanese, plays for Japan. She beat Stosur in 3 crazy sets the other day but lost to the too-steady Petkovic. Take a look at Osaka's MONSTER forehand in this point though:

by Anonymousreply 58007/31/2014

Djokovic is now a married man.

by Anonymousreply 58107/31/2014

can someone make a new thread? this one is almost filled up.

by Anonymousreply 58207/31/2014

Berdych and his lookalike Pospisil are about to play again

by Anonymousreply 58307/31/2014

Any thoughts on Azarenka's kit tonight?

by Anonymousreply 58407/31/2014

Courier has an Asian wife I believe. Go figure.

by Anonymousreply 58508/01/2014

That's just sad.

by Anonymousreply 58608/01/2014

it's being reported that Nadal is receiving "human growth factors" to help heal his injury faster!

by Anonymousreply 58708/02/2014

That's been reported since 2013. His camp is open about it.

What's not being said is that short term steroid use in combination with HGH and blood spinning can leave the system quickly and pass a blood test. Which is why Nadal's long absences from the tour are suspicious. He sweeps in, wins a Slam, then disappears for months.

by Anonymousreply 58808/02/2014

I remember a couple years ago there was this investigation about Spanish athletes and apparently it's alleged many of them use performance-enhancing drugs? The investigation angered Nadal lol There was some doctor who "would not reveal names he had treated". Former tennis player Yannick Noah wrote an opinion piece saying all Spanish athletes dope lol

btw new thread somebody?

by Anonymousreply 58908/02/2014

McEnroe’s ‘scam’ charity for elite players, not poor kids

By Isabel Vincent and Melissa Klein

August 2, 2014 | 11:35pm

You cannot be serious — about John McEnroe’s tennis charity.

The former Wimbledon champ’s nonprofit, the Johnny Mac Tennis Project, promises to serve scholarships to “expose young athletes . . . to the sport of tennis” and touts its programs in city schools.

But the real beneficiaries are elite players on the junior circuit who are getting their lessons and travel costs comped at Sportime, the for-profit Randalls Island tennis club where the John McEnroe Tennis Academy is located.

Sportime started the Johnny Mac Tennis Project in 2011 to create a cash stream to subsidize its top players, whose lessons the tennis club had been providing at a discount in order to build its prestige, according to a Sportime insider.

“It’s really a scam,” said the insider. “All the money goes to the for-profit business. Now we get reimbursed for our good deeds.”

The Johnny Mac Tennis Project raised $266,826 in 2012, and $242,625 of that was lobbed to Sportime so it could fund lessons for 20 players, tax records show.

The “charity” was the brainchild of Claude Okin, the owner of the Sportime chain of clubs, and Mark McEnroe, the tennis champ’s younger brother who was the general manager of the Randalls ­Island Sportime club and president of the separately incorporated nonprofit, the insider said.

The source said that John McEnroe had to be persuaded to sign on and that he donated no money to the effort at its inception. He is on the nonprofit’s board of directors.

John McEnroe did not return a call for comment. A spokesman for Sportime said John had always supported the charity and has donated his time and artwork from his collection to benefit it.

Sportime opened its 20-court Randalls Island center in 2009. John McEnroe lent his name to its academy program in late 2010 and gets $750,000 a year to teach there. The charity was then founded in March 2011.

Mark McEnroe admits the charity was “set up to find the very best kids we could find.”

“In our efforts to build our academy, we wanted to find a way that we could pay our bills and train the best kids and at the same time expose lots of other kids — like the hundreds of kids who come here in our community program — to the game,” said McEnroe who is now Sportime’s corporate development officer.

But while those community programs are done in the name of the Johnny Mac Tennis Project, their cost is paid by Sportime. The tennis center’s pros teach the kids on Randalls Island or at local schools.

“We didn’t have a lot left over to offset those costs,” Mark McEnroe said.

Three East Harlem youngsters got Sportime scholarships through the charity’s community outreach programs, but they were doled out only in the last six months.

In 2012, the nonprofit spent $45,470 to buy tickets to a World Team Tennis program featuring John McEnroe and resold them as its main fund-raising event.

This year’s Aug. 21 fund-raiser features current star Novak Djokovic and tickets go for up to $500.

Among those who have benefitted from the fund-raising is Noah Rubin, the 18-year-old Rockville Centre, LI, player who just won the junior title at Wimbledon.

Rubin received $32,200 from the Johnny Mac Tennis Project in 2011 alone, records show.

Jamie Loeb, the 19-year-old national college player of the year from Ossining, was pursued by John McEnroe and given a scholarship by his charity when she signed on to his academy in 2011, said her mother, Susan Loeb.

“They offered her a full ride,” she said.

by Anonymousreply 59008/03/2014

Did anyone see Serena's coach with her at Stanford?

I could only see highlights and never saw him in the stands. I still think he's part of the problem.

by Anonymousreply 59108/03/2014

Popsicle is hot in a twinky way. I like his litte touch of rosacea.

by Anonymousreply 59208/04/2014

Serena was being coached by her hitting partner and BFF Sasha last week. Patrick Mouratoglou was not with her.

by Anonymousreply 59308/04/2014

That's what I thought, thanks R593. I really wonder if he was part of the cause of the problems over the last year.

by Anonymousreply 59408/04/2014

new thread please? Rogers Cup starting today...

by Anonymousreply 59508/04/2014

There's already a new thread. Find it, R595.

by Anonymousreply 59608/04/2014

I wish to discuss the Rogers Cup.

by Anonymousreply 59708/05/2014


by Anonymousreply 59808/05/2014

I see no discussion of the Rogers Cup here. Where is it?

by Anonymousreply 59908/05/2014

Andy Roddick = GOAT

Greatest of Asses Today

by Anonymousreply 60008/05/2014
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