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Have we trashed Buffalo lately?

"...and dance by the light of the moon..."

Has the North Park Theatre reopened yet?

by Anonymousreply 3510/18/2013

Is Buffalo passé?

by Anonymousreply 110/14/2013

My puberty there was drab.

by Anonymousreply 210/14/2013

it's on the way up. Hipsters have discovered areas liek Allentown. The waterfront is being revitalized.

by Anonymousreply 310/14/2013

Buffalo is actually a really beautiful city. It was planned a lot like Washington DC. It also has some amazing architecture. There is a lot of pride in Buffalo and state is investing billions of $$ in a medical and research campus downtown. It's no Detroit.

by Anonymousreply 410/14/2013

What's the real estate market like there?

by Anonymousreply 510/14/2013

Just leave Detroit out of this. Buffalo fails on its own merits.

by Anonymousreply 610/14/2013

North Park up and running?

by Anonymousreply 710/14/2013


Same with my puberty. I think all the boys were taking cold showers.

by Anonymousreply 810/14/2013

We like Buffalo. It was at the Albright Art Gallery in Buffalo that the Canucklehead "Group of Seven" got their inspiration in an exhibit of Scandinavian art. They adopted it for Canada, the first real assertion of Canadian identity as "northern" v. the USA: before that time, Canadian identity was BRITISH or FRENCH, European, rather than geographical. By adopting this sparse Scandinavian style, the Canadians were saying "HEY WE AREN'T AMERICANS BECAUSE WE LIVE NORTH" as their foundational cprinciple, rather than "HEY WE AREN'T AMERICAN BECAUSE WE'RE BRITISH." It was the first time they had really owned their location in North America as key to their identity.

by Anonymousreply 910/14/2013

North Park not open yet - but in process.

Buffalo is a gem. Love my house, love the restaurants, love the culture, love driving 10 minutes to the airport. Skiing in winter, beaches in Canada 20 minutes away in summer, gorgeous fall up there with anyplace on earth.

Yes, winter is long and runs into spring. But living here enables me to save on housing and take great trips all over the world.

I like it here just fine.

by Anonymousreply 1010/14/2013

I actually enjoy Buffalo when I go there. I try not to look at the rusting hulks of old steel mills along Lake Erie. My brother and his family live there and I go about once a year. This past summer we spent Labor Day up there, went jetski racing on Sunset Beach, swimming, and we walked around the Allentown area, which is really nice. I find the people friendly, the downtown scene pretty cool, and the food delicious. The real estate market is stable. They didn't experience a bubble.

by Anonymousreply 1110/14/2013

If you check your source, you'll find the correct wording is, "How bleak was my puberty."

by Anonymousreply 1210/14/2013

I spent a week in Buffalo one day.

by Anonymousreply 1310/14/2013

I should shuffle off to Buffalo some weekend.

by Anonymousreply 1410/14/2013

Buffalo is a little gem of a city, and the people are great. They actually do have pride in their town and actively participate in what the city has to offer. Here is a great 12 minute video that was just released which highlights why Frederick Law Olmstead called it America's best designed city.

If anyone ever finds themselves in Buffalo, enjoy it!

by Anonymousreply 1510/14/2013

We moved to Buffalo in 2006 for my manfriend’s job. We have both moved many times and were ready to embrace and explore a new place. Sadly, we found that Buffalo is stultifying provincial and hostile to people who aren’t from here.

This city, while attractive in terms of architectural history and the Olmstead Park system, is drab. There is one of everything, and it is mediocre. In fact, Buffalo has raised mediocrity to a new level, whether it be in terms of the art scene, the music scene, or restaurants. I and my partner have both noticed a stunning lack of professionalism among our respective colleagues – no one gets out of town to think about what they do, or cares to deviate from the way things have always been done “because that’s how we do it in Buffalo and Buffalo is great.” The residents have managed to yoke an inferiority complex with the certitude that people from the outside are fools who cannot see how wonderful Buffalo truly is, so that you get contradictory protestations like, “It doesn’t even snow that much in Buffalo but those other cities are such losers because they can’t handle blizzards like we do in Buffalo.”

The city does not take care of its own, but hangs the poor, of which there are many, out to dry, while self-satisfied yuppies pat themselves on the back for living in the city and participating in the renaissance that is always just around the corner. The residents of the region are far more racist than any place I’ve ever lived; not only does suburban whitey express concern about being in the city, but will feel comfortable talking about “the blaaaaaaaacks” to you, assuming that you, as a white person, are as ignorant as they are.

Of course there are exceptions, but in general, my god, what a shithole. And don’t get me started on the accent or the driving.

(I predict that a Buffalo resident or “ex-pat,” as those who’ve left officiously refer to themselves, will respond with a “if you don’t like it, why don’t you leave” observation. Believe me, Buffalo Burger, we're trying!!)

by Anonymousreply 1610/16/2013

Detroit was laid out like DC by Judge Augustus Woodward, noted homosexualist who believed bathing was harmful to health. People like to say that this or that city is not Detroit, but this is clearly untrue. Detroit differs from other cities only by the amount of decay, not the quality or type of decay. Of course, Buffalo is much older so its housing stock was built to a higher standard (as engineering advanced through the twentieth century, people learned to build cheaper and cheaper, with the result that Detroit's housing stock has deteriorated more frightfully - but as nothing compared to the toothpick construction revealed in Florida by every hurricane).

by Anonymousreply 1710/16/2013

“It doesn’t even snow that much in Buffalo but those other cities are such losers because they can’t handle blizzards like we do in Buffalo.”

Can't blame them for playing to strengths. And yes, the accent is really bad.

by Anonymousreply 1810/16/2013

Like there's no provincialism in New York City R16. If you've lived all over the country, like I have, that stuff won't bother you so much.

by Anonymousreply 1910/16/2013

Detroit is also massive and built for the automobile. There is no density in Detroit, that is a major issue.

by Anonymousreply 2010/16/2013

It's kind of funny they think anybody knows who Ada Louise Huxtable is.

by Anonymousreply 2110/16/2013

R16, I'm sorry you feel that way, but you get out what you put in. And frankly, you sound like a real snob.

Let me guess, you moved to Buffalo from NYC and can't help but remind everyone you come in contact with how awful Buffalo is compared to NYC?

If people are hostile to you, you had to have done something to deserve it. Your little harangue against Buffalo belies your innocence.

Buffalo is no more racist than ANY city in America, so don't try and peg Buffalo as the buckle on the KKK belt. As a matter of fact, the reason I'm a liberal and not racist is because I grew up in the city and had a very diverse array of friends.

I suggest you do try to leave that city quickly, as you don't deserve to be there.

by Anonymousreply 2210/16/2013

The video is cute and has an "eighties" vibe - when young gay men of independent spirit went around reviving old cities with things like Rouse festival markets and Old Spaghetti Factories. AIDS and the limited demography of people who wanted urban life but that short, but Buffalo never really participated. It's interesting that they would be filled with that spirit now. It's true that there is more demand for downtown housing now - gay demographics are increasing again, the elderly like convenience (but the elderly turn over every 10=15 years so it is an unreliable cash flow to property owners); but,but, but the gains that would have occurred in olden times because high gas prices are unlikely to recur because old downtowns are rarely anymore the employment centers they once were. Therefore I think these types of schemes (Canalside, Larkin District) will have only very limited success.

by Anonymousreply 2310/16/2013

Buffalo is a small city, r23. It's survived under worse conditions. Giving amenities that give the residents happiness, be it a small amount, is what a city should be doing for its residents. People in Buffalo have ALWAYS tried very, very hard to improve the impoverished city. Now, they are marketing themselves as an architectural treasure and the visitor's bureau is working hard to attract people to come visit. And it's finally working.

The thing about Buffalo is that the residents are very in to participating in making the best of what they have. I have lived in a lot of cities where the residents do nothing but bemoan their hometowns and bitch about how much they hate it, but people don't really do that in Buffalo. There's less nimby-ism and more can-do attitudes. This is not, as you say, an issue of "young gay men of independent spirit went around reviving old cities with things like Rouse festival markets and Old Spaghetti Factories."

Look, even after all these years of sitting dilapidated and haunting, the Richardson-Olmstead Complex is getting a new lease on live. This is the kind of civic duty people should be practicing in their own home cities. The Lafayette Hotel in Downtown, a shitty crack infested flophouse five years ago, is now a beautiful restored hotel.

There is nothing wrong with people trying to make their cities better places for everyone.

I wish people would stop being so negative and kicking this little town. It's trying hard to revitalize and capitalize on its assets. What in God's name is so wrong with that?

by Anonymousreply 2410/16/2013

Nothing's wrong with it but their expectations require actual socialism to be fulfilled. In today's minimum wage service environment, it's not going anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 2510/16/2013

Well said R24. Buffalo is not that small either, it as over 1M people in the metro area. There are good paying jobs coming to Buffalo with the investment downtown. People will come, jobs will come. It happening in the reverse in many smaller cities. They're building housing downtown, creating livable cities where people want to be. Jobs will follow, and I'm not talking about the $8 jobs. Also, Buffalo has access to tons of water, as does Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Rochester, Syyacuse. Laugh now, but some day the Phoenix's and Vegas's of our country will be coming to the Great Lakes region begging for their water.

by Anonymousreply 2610/16/2013

I just watched the entire promotional video at R15 and I have a question. It's 365 days of summer in Buffalo. How did they manage to eliminate winter? And how have they kept that a secret?

by Anonymousreply 2710/16/2013

And if Buffalo does sell its water, you really think the average person in Buffalo will benefit? Oh, your naivete stuns.

by Anonymousreply 2810/16/2013

R28, you're an idiot. I'm just saying that access to fresh water is important. I really do think cities with access to fresh water will see their fortunes turn around and yes, it will eventually benefit "average" people.

by Anonymousreply 2910/16/2013

R27, lol, I wondered the same thing. The one thing many of us NOT from that area know ABOUT the city is that it is buried under snow for so much of the year! Or, at least, it has really cold, really "bad" and intense winters. So, what's up with the fact that the video did not even mention the colder climes?

by Anonymousreply 3010/16/2013

Because everyone knows about the snow and cold in Buffalo, r31.

Snow doesn't stop Buffalo from going about its business, unlike anywhere else in America where an inch of snowfall shutters homes, schools and businesses. The plows are out the minute it starts, the roads are generally flat and straight all over the city so driving isn't that hard, and most everyone is familiar with how to drive in snow.

Growing up in Buffalo, I never once had a snow day off from school.

by Anonymousreply 3110/16/2013

And they're wrong about sunsets too.

by Anonymousreply 3210/18/2013

[quote]The city does not take care of its own, but hangs the poor, of which there are many, out to dry, while self-satisfied yuppies pat themselves on the back for living in the city

Ugh. How can you STAND it!?!?! I bet you can't WAIT to get back to NYC.

by Anonymousreply 3310/18/2013

R32, well, that video didn't show ONE winter scene where there was snow, even WITH plowed roads. Buffalo is only known to most people for being "that place where it snows so much." Why not incorporate the winter scenes/weather into a promotional video rather than simply ignoring it? Seems very disingenuous and misleading. Snow can be beautiful, too.

by Anonymousreply 3410/18/2013
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