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A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2

Known as "the gay Elm St movie", and with good reason. I'm watching it right now on cable, and if I were playing a drinking game I'd be sloshed 15 minutes in.

by Anonymousreply 13510/22/2013

I'd be sloshed every time something gay happened, that is.

by Anonymousreply 110/12/2013

The director claims he didn't notice the gay themes when he was making it, but can see them now. And his explanation is the lead character was originally written as a female, and then they changed it but weren't careful to have it make sense for a hetero male. I just saw it as homophobic at the time. Robert Englund is a Republican moron, and he made reference to this movie in the most offensive way possible, saying that audiences enjoy seeing Freddie kill "fags" (among a list of other targets.) I later saw that quote repeated elsewhere except with the "fags" part missing.

But Englund aside, I guess the movie isn't inherently homophobic. I'm not sure how entertaining it is though, once you get over the thrill of the gay themes.

by Anonymousreply 210/12/2013

Had no idea Englund was a Republican, but the movie is chock full of gayness. Even the male lead, Mark Patton, is gay in real life.

by Anonymousreply 310/12/2013

I'll tell you how gay that fucking movie is. Prior to seeing that movie in November of 1985, I was a butch, rough, tough, pussy pounding, mean mother-fucking son of a bitch. 90 minutes later I was skipping through the lobby, lisping like Cindy Brady and I was sucking 14 dicks in a row in the parking lot. The Birdcage was Terminator 2 in comparison to Nightmare 2.

by Anonymousreply 410/12/2013

Well damn, lol

by Anonymousreply 510/12/2013

The scene with the leather bar screamed gay.

by Anonymousreply 610/12/2013

I don't think I've ever heard that the male lead was ever written as a female, R2. In the Never Sleep Again documentary (which, if you have any interest in the series, is an awesome watch) the writer said he wrote the film with the subtext of how scary it would be for a person struggling with their sexuality. The director, however, was in the dark about that intention.

by Anonymousreply 710/12/2013

I have that documentary, R7, and it is awesome. Watching the film now, it's clear that Mark Patton is gay, but I was none-the-wiser about his sexuality when I saw the film many years ago. I don't think the intent was for there to be any gay subtext, but there is a shocking amount of it in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 810/12/2013

I love that movie. I saw it when I was very young and the scene where the coach gets his naked ass spanked by flying towels really turned me on.

And I've recently heard that Mark Patton is HIV positive. That's really sad. He was quite a hottie back in the 80's.

by Anonymousreply 910/12/2013

I wonder what the mainstream Elm Street fans thought of it. They get to see a homophobic stereotype killed, the leather pedo guy, but the movie is sympathetic to the gay lead guy. I'm sure it was the least successful of the franchise, or at least the early hot period of it. So I wonder if the heavy gay themes were a factor in that at all, or if it just had a small budget and wasn't a success effects wise, as 1, 3 and 4 were.

by Anonymousreply 1010/12/2013

Mark Patton discusses his career, sexuality and HIV status here...

by Anonymousreply 1110/12/2013

[quote]I'm sure it was the least successful of the franchise

It was, actually, but it has gained a strong cult following.

by Anonymousreply 1210/12/2013

R12 If you're talking about box office and not critical reception, you're wrong - this one made more money than the first part did.

by Anonymousreply 1310/12/2013

Actually, R13, we're both wrong. Part 5 was the least successful of all the films, but you are correct that part 2 made about 4 million dollars more than the first one.

by Anonymousreply 1410/12/2013

Since this movie had such blatantly gay subtext, I wish it had been a better movie. The first "Nightmare on Elm Street" (1984) was a fun, inventive and exciting movie. The rest of them (especially the 2nd) were woefully subpar.

My first boyfriend looked (and acted) almost just like that Mark Patton guy. His name was Mark too (well, he spelled it M-a-r-c). He was a great guy. I wonder whatever happened to him.

by Anonymousreply 1510/12/2013

R15, Dream Warriors was AWESOME!!

by Anonymousreply 1610/13/2013

Part 5 sucked ass. Just watched it on SyFy.

I always enjoyed Part 2 and its odd dream-like quality.

by Anonymousreply 1710/13/2013

Who wouldn't want 1985 Robert Rusler inside of them?

by Anonymousreply 1810/13/2013

I concur, R18

by Anonymousreply 1910/13/2013

Cute couple.

by Anonymousreply 2010/13/2013

Hilarious clips of Jessie's various unmanly moments...

by Anonymousreply 2110/13/2013

I liked the movie back then. Even as a 13 year old sitting in the dark of the movie theater, I knew that the Mark Patton character, Jesse, was a gay kid coming to terms with his sexuality. It was one of the few movies that I saw during my youth that made me think, "Hey, there are other people like me."

Mark Patton was a cutie. I always loved that blond twinky type (I also love guys who are a little on the queeny side. Let me rephrase that... I LOVE them. LOL.) Those '80s guys were so hot. I watched a couple of recent interviews with Patton on YouTube and he seems like a very sweet and funny guy. Very likeable. He was my first crush.

I prefer the first ELM STREET, but the first three were all good.

by Anonymousreply 2210/13/2013

R21 I think that video is cute. I had a big crush on him around the time of this movie. Like the poster above, I always had a weak spot for blond, thin, slightly-swishy guys. I love the way they dressed back then too. If I had seen Mark in a club in 1985, I would definitely have bought him a drink and taken him home.

I love the scene in the film where Jesse's dancing in in his room to that really god-awful, cheesy '80s post-disco song. He's so cute, I just want to wrap him in my arms and dance with him.

Side note: I think the guy who compiled that video clip you're linked to was a tad homophobic in his commentary.

by Anonymousreply 2310/13/2013

Mark Patton was THE personification of the 1980's white, male, gay club-boy. I loved that look. Like other people have said, the gay subtext in that movie really hit home with me as a gay teen in the mid-'80s. I recorded it off HBO and watched that video tape many, many times. He was a movie protagonist that I could so relate to. I wish he had done more after that movie. He was a pretty decent actor.

by Anonymousreply 2410/13/2013

All three of the young actors were very good. Mark, the Rusler dude, and especially the redheaded girl- she was excellent actually.

by Anonymousreply 2510/13/2013

There was SO much gay subtext in that movie. Lots of hidden stuff, from the sign on Jesse's door that says "No Girls Allowed," to the board game on the shelf in his room called "Probe". Not to mention his friend Grady's room. A Limahl poster? Really? No straight guy ever listened to Kajagoogoo or Limahl in the '80s, much less had a fucking poster of him on his wall (it's like Cory Haim and his Rob Lowe poster in Lost Boys --- gay!).

Back around 1986, when I was still discovering who I was, I was watching NMOES2: Freddy's Revenge on cable. My older brother (still a jerk, even today) walked through the den, looked at Jesse dancing and said, "What a fucking faggot!" and kept on walking. I loudly said, "God, I hope so" and that was that.

by Anonymousreply 2610/13/2013

[quote]the redheaded girl- she was excellent actually

Kim Myers. She is a dead-ringer for Meryl Streep and Anette O'Toole, and has said that people comment on it many times.

by Anonymousreply 2710/13/2013

Yes. All three leads were very good. I always liked Nightmare 2 (maybe the gay stuff was a big part of the reason). I first saw it on the big screen when I was 17 and I am still entertained by it today at 45. I have the first 3 movies on Blu-Ray and I enjoy the second as much as the first.

Mark seems like a sweet guy in his interviews. I like his personality. If I hadn't know he was gay, his sense of humor would have given him away. Nobody is as witty or funny as a gay man. I think he would have been an awesome comedy actor.

I love '80s movies. There was just something so special about them. Whether it was comedy, action, drama, science fiction. It all had a sense of fun. Most of today's movies are dark and depressing.

by Anonymousreply 2810/13/2013

The guy who played the doomed gay coach had a beefy hot ass. Funny how times change. Now the gay character would probably hook up with the coach to defeat Freddy as a hero.

by Anonymousreply 2910/13/2013

I'm glad to see Mark Patton back in the spotlight. I had a major crush on him in 1985 and I had always wondered whatever happened to him. For years you could Google him and... nothing after 1986. He had seemingly disappeared. Then, in the last couple of years, he started doing interviews again. I would love to go to one of those horror conventions and talk to him. He looks like he's a hoot. I love Nightmare on Elm Street 2.

by Anonymousreply 3010/13/2013

I'm on his Facebook page and he really is a fun guy. Always referencing his "Jessie" role and posting convention pics, etc. He is rightfully proud of his "1st Male Scream Queen" moniker.

by Anonymousreply 3110/13/2013

The funny thing is that a lot of straight people did not pick up on the gay stuff back then. I was only 14 years old, but it all hit me like a ton of bricks. The movie actually made me kind of horny. LOL. I used to love to watch that and "Last American Virgin" on VHS at night after my parents went to bed. I had such a crush on Jesse and Grady in Nightmare, and the two main leads in "Last American Virgin" (who both turned out to be gay).

by Anonymousreply 3210/13/2013

[quote]the two main leads in "Last American Virgin" (who both turned out to be gay).

Lawrence Monoson is gay??? He was kinda goofy back in the '80s but he turned out to be a major hottie.

by Anonymousreply 3310/13/2013

"A Nightmare on Elm Street, Part 2: Freddy's Revenge" scared me more than any of the other "Nightmare" movies back then. I guess because I was a boy and so was the protagonist. I thought it had some great, scary scenes.

My favorite line, "Jesse, we have work to do. You have the body... and I have the brains" (and Freddy peeled back the top of his scalp to reveal his brain. Classic.). Another great scene is where Jesse and his girlfriend are on the floor making out. He's on top of her, kissing and grinding. Then he just stops. He gets up and straightens his clothing and says, "I can't do this." It was like, "Well, I tried, but fuck it, I like boys!" I had the exact same thing happen to me at 15.

by Anonymousreply 3410/13/2013

R33 Yes, Lawrence Monoson is openly and proudly gay. I always liked nerdy guys. That's why I had such a thing for him back then. I had "The Last American Virgin" and "Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter" on videotape and watched them all the time to get my fix of Monoson. Somehow, even as a young teen, I knew that both leads in "Virgin" were gay. I always had FANTASTIC and very accurate gaydar.

by Anonymousreply 3510/13/2013

Good to know, R35!

by Anonymousreply 3610/13/2013

I remember watching The Last American Virgin many times as a kid. I felt so bad for him when he had his heart broken. The end of the movie was so sad. After all he did for that little tramp and she crapped all over him and stomped on his little heart. I remember thinking "Hey, if that little bitch doesn't want you, I'll take you." LOL.

Lawrence Monoson was kind of geeky, but a cute geek.

by Anonymousreply 3710/13/2013

Robert Rusler auditioned for the role of Ron Grady on the last day of shooting Weird Science. Robert Downey Jr. drove him to the audition.

by Anonymousreply 3810/13/2013

It was the only Nightmare film where Freddy kills no female victims. Seemingly, Freddy had a bit of a crush on Jesse (who wouldn't have had a crush on Jesse?) and he killed those people (male) that showed Jesse affection or attention.

by Anonymousreply 3910/13/2013

Monoson showed off his cute little ass in a Friday the 13th movie.

by Anonymousreply 4010/13/2013

This was always my favorite Nightmare on Elm Street movie

by Anonymousreply 4110/13/2013

Did he? I don't remember that. Have to go back and watch!

by Anonymousreply 4210/13/2013

Brad Pitt, John Stamos and Christian Slater all auditioned for the role of Jesse. I think Mark Patton was the perfect choice because his vulnerability and gentleness (and he was obviously gay, a requirement for playing Jesse, in my opinion) were traits that those other actors lacked. John Stamos!?! He was cute but couldn't act his way out of a paper bag! He is tolerable in lite-comedy, but a horror movie. Forget about it.

by Anonymousreply 4310/13/2013

New Line Cinema originally refused to give Robert Englund a pay raise, and an extra was cast as Freddy at the start of production. After two weeks of filming, Robert Shaye realized his error and met Englund's demands. Good call.

by Anonymousreply 4410/13/2013

Wasn't Slater kind of young? A zillion girls audition for the role of Nancy in part 1 too, including Demi Moore and Courtney Cox.

by Anonymousreply 4510/13/2013

The screenwriter sounds like a horrible person from the interview.

by Anonymousreply 4610/13/2013

Take a close look at the school bus driver at the beginning of the movie. It is Robert Englund without his Freddie makeup.

by Anonymousreply 4710/13/2013

Can anyone recommend some other gay-ish horror movies?

by Anonymousreply 4810/13/2013

R48, The Haunting (original version) has significant lesbian overtones.

by Anonymousreply 4910/13/2013

I'm so glad I was a kid/teen in the '80s. I had a stack of great movies on VHS that I would watch all the time:

Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom, Nightmare on Elm Street 1,2, and 3, Sixteen Candles, Star Trek II & III, Ghostbusters, Spinal Tap, E.T., Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Last American Virgin, Porky's, Weird Science, the Friday the 13th movies, Airplane!, Alien, Aliens, Over the Edge, Caddyshack, Stripes, Big Trouble in Little China, Road Warrior, Poltergeist, Blade Runner, Vacation, Top Gun, Goonies, Back to the Future, Fright Night. Those were the main ones. I loved that era. The Nightmare movies were a huge part of my youth, especially 1 & 2.

by Anonymousreply 5010/13/2013

Yep, that's him, R47. He made several appearances in the films sans Freddy make-up (Part 4 as the school nurse, Part 5 as one of the asylum men who raped Amanda Krueger, Freddy's mother, Part 6 as the father of Freddy's daughter).

by Anonymousreply 5110/13/2013

I remember almost nothing about this movie, other than I did not like it at the time. It was always one of the weakest in the early Elm Street canon.

You people think Patton's acting is good (the link at R21)??? In all of those clips, he is absolutely terrible (as is Myers', who plays his girlfriend)!

Re Lawrence Monoson: I had no idea he is gay. Although he did nothing for me when he was a teen, he has grown into a rather attractive man. Check out his pics on IMDb.

by Anonymousreply 5210/13/2013

Thank you r49

by Anonymousreply 5310/13/2013

Robert Rusler, that name sounds like one belonging to a gay porn actor.

by Anonymousreply 5410/13/2013

54 I wish.

by Anonymousreply 5510/13/2013

THE HUNGER has a lesbian sex scene and lesbian overtones

WITCHBOARD has a gay undercurrent with the two male leads

The first SLEEPAWAY CAMP has a transgender antagonist

TERROR TRAIN has a gay villain (played by gay Canadian actor Derek MacKinnon)

BASKET CASE has a tranny in the cast

The original FRIGHT NIGHT has lots of gay overtones and three gay cast members (Stephen Geoffreys, Amanda Bearse and the late, great Roddy McDowall).

by Anonymousreply 5610/13/2013

Friday the 13th Part VII is known as the "gay Friday", not because of the content, but because most of the actors involved were gay.

by Anonymousreply 5710/13/2013

The original SLEEPAWAY CAMP also features a gay couple raising kids. Pretty revolutionary in 1983.

by Anonymousreply 5810/13/2013

I have to ask, since the 50th anniversary is coming up: is there any connection between the movie title and the Elm Street where JFK was slain?

by Anonymousreply 5910/13/2013

Wiki discusses the homoerotic subtext in Elm Street 2, including comments by Robert Englund (Freddie):

Film commentators often remark on the film's perceived homoerotic theme. The argument is that a subtext exists about Jesse's alleged repressed homosexuality (never clarified in the movie), with the major examples pointed to being the encounter he has with his gym teacher in a homosexual S&M leather bar, and his fleeing to a male friend's house after an aborted attempt of making out at his girlfriend's pool party.

In a February 2010 interview with Attitude magazine, Robert Englund commented on this when asked whether he was aware about the camp, gay appeal of the series. He replied: "... the second Nightmare on Elm Street is obviously intended as a bisexual themed film. It was early '80s, pre-AIDS paranoia. Jesse's wrestling with whether to come out or not and his own sexual desires was manifested by Freddy. His friend is the object of his affection. That's all there in that film. We did it subtly but the casting of Mark Patton was intentional too, because Mark was out and had done Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean."

In an article written by Brent Hartinger for After Elton, it is stated that a "frequent debate in gay pop culture circles is this: Just how 'gay' was 1985's A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge (the first Elm Street sequel)? The imagery in the movie makes it seem unmistakably gay — but the filmmakers have all along denied that that was their intention."

During his interview segment for the documentary Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy, screenwriter David Chaskin admitted that the homosexual themes were intentionally written into the script. The rest of the cast and crew stated that they were unaware of any such themes at the time they made the film, but that a series of creative decisions on the part of director Jack Sholder unintentionally brought Chaskin's themes to the forefront.

In his interview, Sholder stated, "I simply didn't have the self-awareness to realize that any of this might be interpreted as gay", while "now-out actor" Mark Patton stated, "I don't think that [the character] Jesse was originally written as a gay character. I think it's something that happened along the line by serendipity.

by Anonymousreply 6010/13/2013

Weird to hear Englund is a Republican homophobe. He's always kind of struck me as family. Same with Kane Hodder from the Friday the 13th flicks.

by Anonymousreply 6110/13/2013

I just met Kane Hodder at a horror film festival a couple of weeks ago. He's the furthest thing from family. He was consistantly hitting on the chick in line behind me, telling her that she smelled good and asking her where she worked, etc. When she told him she was a "dancer" at a nearby bar, he asked her where the place was and was serious as a heart attack about going!

by Anonymousreply 6210/13/2013

If you think Nightmare on Elm Street 2 had gay subtexts, you should see one called "Fear No Evil" from 1981. My best friend, also gay, and I saw it at the theater when we were 15. THAT movie had gay subtext (and male kissing in the shower scene). That movie was gayer than "Making Love."

by Anonymousreply 6310/13/2013

R63--not to mention the male bully who kissed the bullied kid in an act of homophobia ends up growing huge female tits and offing himself as a result of his shame.

by Anonymousreply 6410/13/2013

I saw the mentions of "Friday the 13th-The Final Chapter" (1984) - No one mentioned the real hottie of the movie, Peter Barton. He set my teen heart aflutter back then. I loved him in "Hell Night" (1981) also, there was a lot more of him in that one. He was sexy.

R64 Absolutely. That was one strange movie. The guy growing tits was hilarious. I have not seen that movie since 1981, but I still remember certain parts vividly.

by Anonymousreply 6510/13/2013

The lead in Fear No Evil is Alison Arngrim (Nellie Olson)'s brother who she said molested her.

by Anonymousreply 6610/13/2013

I'd do Robert Rusler today. He's hot.

by Anonymousreply 6710/13/2013

Then he's dead to me, R66. I love Alison Arngrim.

by Anonymousreply 6810/13/2013

Damn, R67. He is quite do-able.

by Anonymousreply 6910/13/2013

I love '80s horror films. They were scary but fun at the same time. The Nightmare movies were so groundbreaking and unique for their time.

by Anonymousreply 7010/13/2013

That boy that played Jesse was really cute.

by Anonymousreply 7110/13/2013

I loved the exploding parakeet.

by Anonymousreply 7210/13/2013

There was a lot of homoerotic dialogue -

Jesse Walsh: Fred Krueger! He's inside me, and he wants to take me again!

by Anonymousreply 7310/13/2013

How do we know that Robert Englund is a homophobe? My parents are staunch Republicans but are VERY gay friendly (and were even before I came out in the '80s). Not ALL Rethugs are homophobes.

by Anonymousreply 7410/13/2013

[quote]The lead in Fear No Evil is Alison Arngrim (Nellie Olson)'s brother who she said molested her.

Molesting doesn't describe it, he raped her on a daily basis when she was a child.

[quote]I saw the mentions of "Friday the 13th-The Final Chapter" (1984) - No one mentioned the real hottie of the movie, Peter Barton. He set my teen heart aflutter back then. I loved him in "Hell Night" (1981) also, there was a lot more of him in that one. He was sexy

Well, if your in the Jersey area you're lucky. Peter will be at the Chiller autograph show in two weeks.

by Anonymousreply 7510/13/2013

The 1980s... the best of times, the worst of times.

by Anonymousreply 7610/14/2013

Robert Rusler's character in "Vamp" met a rather nasty demise at the hands (or teeth) of Grace Jones's Katrina...

by Anonymousreply 7710/14/2013

Rusler in his undies in "Vamp"

by Anonymousreply 7810/14/2013

I'm not a horror flick fan but I did watch Nightmare 2 on cable a while ago and enjoyed it. True story--I assumed that they didn't have cable rights which is why they had to replace the metal song with that awful disco/touch me song during the solo bedroom dance scene! Hilarious to learn I was wrong.

by Anonymousreply 7910/14/2013

When I was a teen, I got a boner in the movie theater when Jesse was doing his dance on the bed. I always had a thing for blonds, even when I was 15.

R79 That Touch Me song was truly ghastly. I loved '80s music, but that type of sugary dance music made me cringe. It was as bad as any Bieber or Jonas Brothers stuff from today. They should have used some Depeche Mode or New Order, or as you said, a metal song by say Scorpions, Ratt or Van Halen. I guess their music budget was "on the cheap."

by Anonymousreply 8010/14/2013

I loved the scene on the practice field where Jesse and Grady were playing around and Grady yanked the back of Jesse's shorts down, revealing his cute little white butt. THAT gave me wood.

by Anonymousreply 8110/14/2013

W&W for R4!

by Anonymousreply 8210/14/2013

Not a great movie, but it is a fun one.

by Anonymousreply 8310/14/2013

I still say that the sexiest horror movie guy of the '80s was David "Be a Pepper" Naughton from 1981's "An American Werewolf in London." Mmm. Mmm. I could have spend all night "Makin' It" with him. Damn!

by Anonymousreply 8410/14/2013

Naughton was quite the hot one, R84. I just watched AWWIL the other day, and he was a thick and stocky number back then.

by Anonymousreply 8510/14/2013

R85 I love that scene depicted. "A naked American man just stole my balloons."

by Anonymousreply 8610/14/2013

The song that Jessie was dancing to--Fonda Rae's "Touch Me"--was later remade/sampled by Cathy Dennis as "Touch Me (All Night Long)"

by Anonymousreply 8710/14/2013

Horror movies seemed to have the best looking guys back then.

by Anonymousreply 8810/14/2013

Sorry to hear Englund being a right-wing ass. I loved his character in the V movies.

by Anonymousreply 8910/14/2013

Whichever version, R87, that song was hideous. Danceable, but hideous. Very generic. It sounded like 10,000 other club songs from that era.

by Anonymousreply 9010/14/2013

Danny Hassel (parts 4 and 5) is the hottest "Elm Street" guy. Nick Corri from part 1 is a close second.

by Anonymousreply 9110/14/2013

I don't get that Englund is an ass. His political affiliation doesn't necessarily mean he's an ass. In every interview I've ever seen him in, he seems affable enough. I love that the make-up artists who've done the Freddy make-up over the years all have the same story about him: that he goes on and on and on...and on and on. The man can talk your ear off.

by Anonymousreply 9210/14/2013

The original Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street movie franchises started out good and took wrong turns into comedy and became almost spoofs of themselves. Friday the 13th derailed after Part IV: The Final Chapter (where it should have ended) and Nightmare ran off the road after Dream Warriors. Jason and Freddy became comic relief in their movies.

by Anonymousreply 9310/14/2013

R91--Exsqueeze me? Baking powder?

by Anonymousreply 9410/14/2013

Gorgeous Danny

by Anonymousreply 9510/14/2013

R94 Johnny Depp was so fucking cute back in the '80s (and even up into the '90s). I fell hard for him in the first "Nightmare." Now he is just gross. I saw him on one of the late night talk shows a few months ago and I almost threw up. He was filthy and looked homeless. His hair was unwashed and greasy. He had 10 tons of eyeliner on and looked like a meth-junkie, hobo drag queen.

Even if he showered, he would still be jack nasty! I hear straight women at work going on and on about "sexy Johnny Depp" and I want to put my finger down my throat. 20 years ago, yes. Now, no fucking way. Gross!

by Anonymousreply 9610/14/2013

Wow, R95 - He WAS something. I saw parts 4 & 5 back when they were first released and never again since. I may have to look into those again. LOL. Why does it seem like guys were so much hotter back then? Maybe it's because they looked more "real."

by Anonymousreply 9710/14/2013

I hated the 2010 remake of Nightmare on Elm Street. It LOOKED good, but they sucked all the LIFE out of it. It was dreary, bleak and no fun at all. The remakes of Friday the 13th and Halloween were even worse.

by Anonymousreply 9810/14/2013

R94, Corri and Hassel are hotter than Depp.

by Anonymousreply 9910/14/2013

Guys did seem hotter back then, R97. It was the hair, the tight jeans, the non-jadedness, if you will. Yeah, check out parts 4 and 5 if for nothing more to see Danny's hotness.

by Anonymousreply 10010/14/2013

R-99, agreed. Those two guys were hot. Like R-96 said, Johnny Depp used to be a stud on wheels until a few years ago. Now, I wouldn't look at him twice. He looks unhygienic.

by Anonymousreply 10110/14/2013

According to Depp, he looked pretty goth, skinny with black dyed hair and all, when he auditioned for the role of an all-American high school athlete. He still got the role.

Corri was hot, too. Were they both in the same movie? There've been so many, they all run together.

by Anonymousreply 10210/14/2013

Yeah, Depp and Corri (who now goes by his real name, Jsu Garcia) are in part 1.

by Anonymousreply 10310/14/2013

I don't remember Robert Englund ever coming off as intolerant. He's always struck me as an extremely sensitive, tuned-in, artsy guy, and I've read plenty of his press over the years. He's also cheered on the GLBT interpretation of Part 2, which is really the only way to take the film.

Freddy's Revenge, for all the mockery it gets, not only has an openly gay protagonist - something slasher films today still have barely touched - but some truly freakish, terrifying imagery and creatures that rivals the best of the NOES film FX. Like those hell hounds that Kim Myers just stumbles across at the factory near the end, with Freddy's face on them or whatever. It was like something out of Jodorowsky or Lynch. For all its other goofiness, the film is beautifully shot and conceived, and Mark Patton and Robert Rusler are hot as shit.

The old NOES films are full of cute twinks and/or hunks. Rodney Eastman as the mute boy in Dream Warriors, for one. Strapped to his bed, half-naked and being pawed by Freddy the nurse. Then there's the kid who thinks he's Freddy's son in Freddy's Dead.

Kyle Gallner from Veronica Mars also turned up in the mediocre NOES remake, in Speedos - yum. That film did amp up the molestation subtext of the backstory, and was very dark and humorless, but its creativity was minimal, even with great actors - Jackie Earle Haley, Gallner, Rooney Mara.

by Anonymousreply 10410/14/2013

The karate loving brother in #4 was also quite hot.

by Anonymousreply 10510/14/2013

[quote]Robert Englund is a Republican moron, and he made reference to this movie in the most offensive way possible, saying that audiences enjoy seeing Freddie kill "fags" (among a list of other targets.) I later saw that quote repeated elsewhere except with the "fags" part missing.

Don't throw shit like that around if you can't provide a link. I've goggled and have nothing supporting your claims. If England is a Republican, he clearly hates The Tea Partiers and cares about the environment. He wrote an article for The Huffington Post about it.

As for the fag comment, this is what I found he said about NOES2

Robert Englund commented on the homoerotic nature of the film, stating "... the second Nightmare on Elm Street is obviously intended as a bisexual themed film. It was early '80s, pre-AIDS paranoia. Jesse's wrestling with whether to come out or not and his own sexual desires were manifested by Freddy. His friend is the object of his affection. That's all there in that film. We did it subtly but the casting of Mark Patton was intentional too, because Mark was out.”

by Anonymousreply 10610/14/2013

He seems nice in interviews, R92. But I met him at a horror convention once, and he was a total prick.

by Anonymousreply 10710/14/2013

I love the Nightmare on Elm Street movies. Scary but so much fun. The new Freddy in the remake was boring and too dark. I love the old Freddy.

by Anonymousreply 10810/14/2013

r105, I went to a recent midnight screening of NOES#4 with much of the cast reunited and Andras Jones (the karate-obsessed brother) looks nothing like that now. He looked more like the freaky "Children of the Corn" preacher than the twink hottie you linked.

by Anonymousreply 10910/14/2013

I'm bored. I think I'll watch it. I haven't seen Part II since the '80s. It should be interesting.

by Anonymousreply 11010/14/2013

And just to finish the Part 4 cast update:

Rodney Eastman (Joey) - wouldn't have recognized him but he looked good. Kind of a middle-aged Latino biker look.

Ken Sagoes (Kincaid) - just looked a bit older and heavier. Seems to enjoy being recognized still for parts 3 and 4.

Toy Newkirk (Sheila) - cute, funny, much curvier. Seemed like she'd be fun to hang out with and probably a huge fag hag.

Brooke Theiss (Debbie) - now blonde and looks great. Very sweet and funny.

Lisa Wilcox (Alice) - Shy and attractive but definitely looks her age. No stories about on-screen boyfriend Danny Hassel.

Danny Hassel (Dan) was sadly not present or even mentioned. Surprising, since there was a lot of talk about on-set crushes and dating.

Tuesday Knight (Kristen) wasn't there either but there was a passing inference she was "involved" with Renny Harlin during filming.

Andras Jones (Rick) gave off a possible bi/open vibe but that was it for gay content.

by Anonymousreply 11110/14/2013

Good stuff, R111. I was at a Chicago convention several years back and most of the cast from parts 1 and 3 were there, as well as Lisa Wilcox and Tuesday Knight.

Brooke Theiss is actually a blonde in real life, and is blonde in every other movie or TV show she's in. That's a wig in Elm St. 4. Coincidentally, she, Heather Langenkamp and Joanne Willette (one of the girls on the bus at the beginning of part 2) were all on the highly underrated '80s sitcom "Just the Ten of Us".

Lisa Wilcox was totally nice when I met her, and did seem a bit shy but she even remembered my name during the Q&A period of the convention, which I thought was cool. She mentioned that she thought Danny was cute (Brooke had a thing for him too, and I think they dated for a bit). Danny likes chocolate, though. His ex wife and current GF are both pretty black women. He's been at a lot of the conventions, too.

I'd love to meet Toy, because she does seem like she'd be a blast to hang out with.

I'd heard Andras was bi, but what lead me to believe it's true was that on his Facebook page, where it asks "Interested in Men or Women?", his says BOTH! What about him seemed "bi" to you?

by Anonymousreply 11210/14/2013

Lisa Wilcox (Alice) - Started up a jewelry company with Tuesday Knight (Kristen) and then ended up stabbing her in the back.

[quote]Tuesday: Renny and I worked together amazingly. We really got along great! Everyone thought Renny and I were sleeping together the entire movie. (Laughs) And I found that out later. But I was like, nope, one guy and it wasn’t even happening there. But Renny was over protective, and I think a lot of people didn’t like that. I got along great with all the guys, because I’m a tomboy and I was friendly and open. And Lisa (Wilcox) was not like that. We couldn’t get her to come talk to any of us. Um, Renny didn’t really care for her that much. Renny was very professional, very creative and really had some cool ideas for Freddy.

[quote]Tuesday: Now, our first meeting on the set of NIGHTMARE 4 was very stressed. She never liked me on the set. All of us felt nothing but really coldness from her. It seemed like we weren’t good enough to hang with her. She was the early Gucci girl, you know what I mean? Just way above everybody else. So, we did not like each other when we made the movie. No matter what I did to try to open up to her, no matter how many times I tried to go up to her, we were acting and it looks like (in the film) we really like each other. But it was hard. But the movie came out really good! But I always felt bad. I felt inferior to her, I felt like well, she’s better then me. Flash forward to 13 years later after I saw her in STAPLES, we go have lunch, we decided we were going to talk. I went home and told my mother, “Oh my God! Lisa Wilcox is calling me! She hated me before, I don’t understand. She’s being so nice! What’s going on?” I was jazzed about it. And so, we met and had lunch and she explains that she’s on the verge of a breakup, and that it just devastated her. She was completely heartbroken, and I had just come out of a marriage as well, so we feeling out our words with each other by just talking. She asked me what I was doing, and I told her. And I told her who some of my clients were and I showed her the jewelry and she just really flipped out over it. And she was like, “Wow, this is amazing.” We had another investor that was coming in, and Lisa said she would like to be that investor. Well, my other partner said “If you work with her, then I’m not going to work with you.” Because she wanted the most money for the deal, ya know? And I said, “Well, you know what? I choose Lisa.” Because I believed in her and thought she was genuine. So we started our business in 2000 and we started doing really well. We found an investor, we got with them. They put us up in a great office. I was making the designs and she was basically running the office. So, she was doing the marketing and I was making the jewelry. Basically we did that until June of 2007, where then I found out that she had gone behind my back with the other partner that we had, the one I initially had, she went behind my back and they decided to get rid of me, do the designing themselves and take the credit for I guess everything. Basically, I was locked out of my office. It was… I had never been hurt to that degree ever. It just completely broke my heart. I couldn’t believe she didn’t have my back. I couldn’t believe that she would even be in cahoots with this other woman. I was in tears for 3 months! It was really horrible and it hurt and it was terrible and I couldn’t believe it. Um, I made all new designs for my thing, all new clients. A lot of the clients that were with them left. A lot of the celebrity clients came with me, because I was the designer. A lot of people thought it was a really shitty thing to do, so they came with me. I didn’t ask them to, I honestly wasn’t even in the place to ask them to. I was so heartbroken. This is something that I made in my house, that I designed, that I did. I put everything together, and then this happens, and it came right at the end of when my dad died. My dad had passed away, and I was very weak at the time, and it was a time where they hit me where it really, really hurt.

by Anonymousreply 11310/14/2013

Danny Hassel joined the army right after 9/11 but then was kicked out for excessive drug use and for stealing/smuggling weapons.

by Anonymousreply 11410/14/2013

R114 He's dead to me now!

by Anonymousreply 11510/14/2013

R114, I'd known about his army stint but didn't know that he was kicked out! Dang!

by Anonymousreply 11610/14/2013

I watched Nightmare 2 last night. I think you guys are crazy. I didn't see any gay stuff. I think you all imagined that shit. I wish their had been some hot gay sex.

by Anonymousreply 11710/14/2013

It's funny how obvious that wig was, r112. I never noticed it back in the day but man, re-watching the movie at that midnight screening it was soooo big and bad!

I couldn't really say what gave me a bi vibe off Andras. Just that indefinable "quality." Maybe it's the musician thing - he's mostly focused on music since leaving acting. He was the most talkative of the cast and had to keep reminding Lisa Wilcox to use her microphone.

by Anonymousreply 11810/14/2013

Very cool. I'd love to go to one where most of the cast from the entire series is there. I've met Heather and Amanda Wyss several times. I had a chance to meet Englund once, but his line was way too long. John Saxon, Ronee Blakely, Nick Corri...they're all great.

by Anonymousreply 11910/14/2013

How was Ronee B, R119. Great actress who could have been the Streep of the 70's.

by Anonymousreply 12010/14/2013

She was really cool and down to Earth. She even came up to us afterwards when we were having dinner in the hotel and chatted us up a bit.

by Anonymousreply 12110/14/2013

R111, Rodney Eastman seems like a sweet guy, but when I saw him in Never Sleep Again, I thought he looked like might have a problem with the bottle. He has the trademark swollen cheeks.

by Anonymousreply 12210/14/2013

The bi thing about Andras Jones is surprising. I just looked at his Facebook and I definitely get a "middle-aged straight hipster" vibe from him. Like, the kind of guy who said he's bi to seem edgy, but wouldn't go through with it if he found himself in that situation.

I'd totally try though, lol.

by Anonymousreply 12310/14/2013

Really, R114? That's fascinating. Where did you hear this? What drugs was he taking? And what weapons did he smuggle?

He was (and still is) a really hot guy, and seemingly nice. But he came across as a total tool in Never Sleep Again.

by Anonymousreply 12410/14/2013

[quote]he came across as a total tool in Never Sleep Again.

Why do you say this? I didn't think he did.

by Anonymousreply 12510/14/2013

Not in a bad way, just kind of dumb and himboish.

by Anonymousreply 12610/14/2013

I caught part 5 the other day on SyFy, and never realized that there's a random anti-abortion message right in the middle of the movie. I was like, "WTF? They're preaching about the miracle of life and a baby being a part of you in the middle of a movie about killing teenagers?"

by Anonymousreply 12710/14/2013

I just re-watched Elm Street 2 for the first time since 1985. I couldn't remember whether I had liked it or not back then. Upon re-watching, I actually liked this movie. It was bizarre and different, but I really liked the direction it took, the horror of Freddy escaping from the dream world. I liked the Jesse and Lisa characters. I was quite taken with Jesse's inner struggle with his sexuality and how it was used in conjunction with the story. Along with Part I and Part III, this was among the best in the series.

by Anonymousreply 12810/20/2013

r2, there is no evidence he is republican. I found an article with bashing the Tea Party and it makes me highly doubt he is any kind of republican. If he was a republican in the 80s he is not anymore.

by Anonymousreply 12910/20/2013

If you google "gayest horror movies", Elm Street 2 is always #1 on the list.

by Anonymousreply 13010/20/2013

It is starting now on SyFy!

by Anonymousreply 13110/20/2013

It's on as I type!!!

by Anonymousreply 13210/21/2013

I want to go back to 1985 and dance with Jesse on his bed. Though, we'll need a better song. That one he was dancing to was just terrible. Maybe some ZZ Top, Depeche Mode, some Judas Priest, or some Cult.

by Anonymousreply 13310/21/2013

Amazon has the entire film collection on Blu-Ray along with a bunch of features and 2 episodes of the Freddy's Nightmares TV show for just $25.99.

I just ordered it.

by Anonymousreply 13410/22/2013

WOW! If I didn't already own all the films I'd snap that up.

by Anonymousreply 13510/22/2013
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